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multiple times a week on the phone with him. and susan would complain to me about how josh would just become unbearable to live with. it was obvious to her that my dad was trying to drive a wedge between them. >> it seemed to be working, jennifer shared something with us she has never made public before, excerpts of emails from susan. did they contain hints of what was coming? in one of them, she described her attempts to rekindle romance with josh, i've tried the dates thing with him and it goes to negative or no conversation or it is an obligation to him that he seems to hate. >> i think it is easy to say that josh learned from his dad how to treat women. >> then there is another email that suggested susan was actually afraid of him. every moment i step back and take stock of what i'm dealing with, it feels like a

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his daughter-in-law susan had a serious crush on him before she disappeared. when he said it, it sounded like an old fool's fantasy. now it turned out there was evidence that the fantasy had a very dark undercurrent. because there was another face, a familiar one in steven powell's homemade porn stash. tell me about the discovery of the videos involving susan powell. >> there are some videos and pictures of susan that were obviously taken without her consent or her knowledge. somebody was hiding them shooting them through curtains and doors and taking pictures of her. >> it had to have happened early in the marriage when susan and josh, strapped for cash, moved in with even for a while. >> and, you know, even though he said that she was interested in him, we believe that's all one big fantasy and she absolutely despised him. >> the charges brought against steven powell in 2011 were ugly enough, but before long, they set in motion something much

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this, this is just a couple and their kids. they are off, they are adults, they will be fine. >> then in the late afternoon, josh suddenly showed up with the boys, without susan. >> and i remember the feeling i had at that time -- >> which was what? >> which is josh has done something. >> josh told a story no one could believe, that the previous night, sunday, he decided to take the boys camping left around midnight, blew off work drove almost 100 miles. slept in the family vans in temperatures well below freezing, and drove back home to find susan go on. he said he had no idea what happened to her. >> when he came up with that story about going camping i just said no, i got a sick feeling, no, this is not good. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and yet they did what they felt like they thought they should do, they rallied around

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lina's hamster by smashing it against the side of the cage. josh's mother was outraged. and steve's response was, according to the papers, that was that she does not understand teenage humor. >> teenage humor? >> teenage humor. and i was like what? what are you talking about? and one of the first things i heard about killers is that they abuse animals or kill animals. there was a warning sign way early. >> of course, they believed he was a killer, that killed their daughter, even though he hadn't been charged. and then they say the kids began to open up. >> they told me one time, i think it was charlie hoped mommy knew how to camp or something, because she was out where she needed to know how to camp. >> and they heard about an earlier episode, where one of the boys drew a picture at his preschool. he drew a car, two boys and a dad, no mom. the teacher asked where she was. >> mom is in the trunk.

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>> the coxs don't blame dave loverack, not at all. and they've worked hard to stay calm, even after the loss of their grandsons, along with josh and whatever he may have known about susan. >> i think he was very selfish. and that is why he took the kids. if he couldn't have them, no one could have some. >> i would've appreciated it if he had left a note and told us where susan was, something. >> maybe the point was not to tell anyone. >> yeah. >> yeah. i'm sure he wants for us to never find her. >> he is still mad at us, you know? mad at us because we won't give up on our daughter, on finding our daughter. >> investigators have not given up either. they searched that storage unit at josh's and recovered a comforter among susan's belongings. preliminary tests indicated bloodstains on it, and chuck cox believes there is still one person who can answer his questions. >> his dad knows something, his

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whacko. he is just on a different, different trajectory, and not a good one. >> she is talking about stephen powell. you're gonna learn much more about him later. what was it about his trajectory that bothered you are disturbed you? >> he just had a really negative outlook on life he was down on everything. >> an outlook he seemed to have passed on to josh, which paradoxically seemed to attract susan. >> i think she felt sorry for him, he didn't have many friends. and i think she felt she could make him happy and that he would change. >> they married at the mormon church and certainly looked happy in those early photos, but later the couple moved to utah, moved in temporarily with jennifer and her husband, kirk. what was the relationship like then, as far as you can tell? >> it was a little rough. she would kind of order him around a little bit and he wanted to control her and not

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>> i've never hurt my wife. i've never never hurt her. >> and still, he claimed, susan's parent were out to get him, to try to take his children away. >> they started to say that my sons are in an emotionally, some kind of emotional danger from being in my custody. and that is a completely unfair statement. >> and that is why he did what he did, he says, when he and one of the boys and countered them at a hardware store a few months after susan disappeared. >> he said that he wanted to hug my children, i said no you may not. >> those are his grandchildren, just as they are your children, i mean shouldn't a grandfather be able to hug his grandchildren? >> he should not be using them as pawns in the media.

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>> the visit is with josh powell. he is the husband that i supervise. >> so you supervise and you're doing to visit? >> when i supervise -- >> you supervise yourself? >> i supervise myself. >> wait a minute, if it's a supervised visit, you can't supervise yourself. >> it's painful because you know what is going to happen when you listen to it. at the time, you don't know what was going to happen. as you listen to it now, what does it do to you? >> it's excruciating. it is painful to listen to. >> the dad's last name? >> powell. >> i was aware of josh powell story, but i didn't associate his name. and so his name was not resonating with me. >> to l's at the end of powell? >> yes. >> realizing what we know now i wish i would've recognize the urgency of the situation. >> you're in a position that nobody could've imagined. >> right. you don't automatically default to the notion that the person you're dealing with is a psychopath. it's difficult when one goes south on you, like this one did.