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>> a couple of things that are important here is that we are told that the orange tip that is on toy guns, on fake guns, was removed in this case. so officers would not have been able to see that. they were told that somebody was pulling a gun in and out of their clothing. they arrived on the scene without the facts we know now, mark. >> shit is true there was a toy gun involved, but its an open carry state. >> its 20/20 hand sight. those officers did not know that at the time. >> mark, i want t...

Pointing it at everybody. >> but that is not what the officers were told as they were dispatched to the scene. so police say with those words in their minds, officers drove up to rice, while tell iing himo drop the gun and raise his hands. two seconds after exiting the car, officer timothy loman fired the shot that killed the boy. an orange tip on the gun to indicate it was a toy had been removed. almost two years earlier, officer loman resigned from another police force after a supervisor descr...

>> gun sales do increase whenever this sort of advertising starts to happen. >> there you go. gavin what do you think of the actors who came in to the store? because im convinced it was all a hoax. >> yeah. youd have to be a tourist not to know that new york manhattan especially has the strictest gun laws on earth. you cant have a paint gun, a bb gun, doesnt have a plastic replica if it doesnt have an orange tip. a guy got find because its per gun without an orange tip. if these werent actors th...

Actually gun sales increase when this advertisement happens. >> gavin, what do you think of the actors who came into the store? i am convinced it was all a hoax. >> have you to be a tourist to know that new york manhattan has the strictest gun laws on earth. you cant have a paint gun here or a bb gun or a plastic replica if it doesnt have an orange tip. there is a guy who was fined something like $50,000 because it was 500 per gun without an orange tip. the owner of this store -- if they werent ...

Actually gun sales increase when this advertisement happens. >> gavin, what do you think of the actors who came into the store? i am convinced it was all a hoax. >> have you to be a tourist to know that new york manhattan has the strictest gun laws on earth. you cant have a paint gun here or a bb gun or a plastic replica if it doesnt have an orange tip. there is a guy who was fined something like $50,000 because it was 500 per gun without an orange tip. the owner of this store -- if they werent ...

He was shot because he was carrying a gun they obviously wanted to make it look like a real firearm. thats why there was no orange tip. >> i want to bring that cant, exactly that. very quickly, ben, then to you mark should guns that look so real that are fake, should thought be made and sold? >> look i think that guns -- that we have rules where theyre supposed to be an orange tip. >> but it was remove. >> kids many times paint over them to make that gun look real because they want it to look re...

Change. particularly if this large individual is waving what appears to be a natural weapon at them. >> reporter: and that is another thing. twice a witness calling into 911 said twice that the weapon is likely a toy. >> im sitting by the west boulevard rapid transit station. there is a guy in here with a pistol. i didnt saw his face but he is pointing it at everybody. >> but that information never got relayed to the officers responding to the call. >> everybody is tied up on priorities. someone...

We know that the 911 dispatcher, our understanding is, did not tell those officers that that gun was a toy. that they thought it was a toy. so knowing that, knowing they may have thought the gun was real and knowing they may have driven up too closely, does that change your certainty that something wrong happened? >> well first of all, that is part of the training on how they should approach a situation if they believe it is a deadly weapon involved or a serious threat. there should be some adhe...

A march planned here in the nations capital december 13th, francis. >> all right. tracie potts there for us in washington, d.c. new details in the case of a 12-year-old shot and killed by a police officer in cleveland. it turns out the officer that shot the boy had previously been judged as unfit for duty. new lie released documents showing tim lowman as distracted and weepy after firearms training. a funeral was held for rice on wednesday. he was carrying a toy pellet gun without his identify...

Shoots soft pelt -- pellets. >> hes pointing it at everybody. >> reporter: noting three times in the call the gun could be a fake, but dispatch apparently didnt relay that to the responding officers. >> keeps pointing a gun out of his hands and pointing it at people. >> reporter: the officer, 26-year-old timothy loehmann on the job eight months. he ordered rice to put his hands up before he fired. >> the weapon in this incident is indistinguishable from a real firearm. >> reporter: thats because...