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this. how seriously are you thinking ab it? >> welcome to the ae files. >> good to see you. we're here in your hometown of new orleans. in a cafe reconcile. tell me why this is such a special place to you. >> well, when i grew up, there was a jesuit priest who half finishing that run actually became the pastor of a downtown inner city church and started talking about ways to help kids and to connect people with money with people who needed money and he wanted to start a place where kids could have a better future and he said look, weath've got go to the toughest of the tough places and find the people who need help most. and the children and young people that are working here, kids that have lived the toughest of the toughst lives in america, some have been shot. some of them with parents of children who have been shot. some of them are young men and
against jim crow laws. came to city council, led the fight to get the confederate flag out. became mayor and deseg regated the workforce. you grew up around this, this issue. all your life. >> yeah, i can't remember a moment in my life where race was not a part of it. it wasn't all reconciliation. it was a lot of battles. my dad really was very interesting because he was 29 years old. married. he had four babies at home. my mother, who was the same, had nine children in 11 years. both still alive. both happy. they have 38 grandchildren now, but back in 1960 when things were really intense, how he found the courage to vote against the segregation. he was only one of two legislators. i asked him, what were you thinking about? he said well, i was really fighting for my friends. he had befriended a young man on the first day of law school
whose name was norman fan sis. he was better looking, faster and smarter than everybody else and i asked my father, he said whel we informed me, he taught me about what it was like to walk in somebody else's shoes. i wasn't just fighting for norman. i was fighting for my right to be with my friends. we just kind of grew wup that ethos. there have been a number of different examples where white people have been really angry at us. >> you experienced that as kid. >> i kid. when i was 13 years old. back then, it was white people in the chamber really getting after the city of new orleans because it was becoming majority african-american. it was way on its way to it. there were rabid people in the streets yelling and screaming about integration. the story is that one afternoon, father harry thompson, the same priest that helped start this facility with the community, came to my classroom and he said you know, i need to walk you
ayosz cross the street to the gym because there's been a death threat. when i got over there, i was in the locker room. all my friends run in and say there's a woman outside saying shemts to kill you. it was this angry white woman who was just as angry as she could be. she went to reach in her purse and one of my friends said she has a gun. they scattered. standing there by myself and she took out a card and threw it at me. it had written on it, your father's an n lover. he ruined the city. you should be ashamed of yourself. i wasn't an adult, but i was old enough and mature enough to kind of get what that was. even back then, it was part of all of our lives. i wasn't unique. that happened to lots of people in the city. >> what was striking, you say back then. but when you made the decision to remove confederate statues from places of honor here in new orleans, you met with some of those very same reactions.
your children met with some of those very same reactions. that was 40 years later. >> that makes you understand that we're not really through the issue of race. president obama got elected, the country went oh, wow, we elected our first black president. now we're past it. that's not true. every day in america, as we are witness to, african-americans continue to suffer discrimination. we continue to tear ourses apart on the issue of race and on the issue of race in america, which is of course the greatest fault line in american politics, i have just come to learn you can't come over this, go around it. you have to go through it. you have to go through it and talk through it. i made a political miscalculati miscalculation. i had assumed that we were further along than after the shootings in charleston. when governor haley and the entire folks in south carolina finally took down the flag, i said you know, the confederate
flag. number one, t time to take the monuments down, but secondly, everybody's going to get it. and everybody didn't. it was much too hard a fight to have in the year that we had it than we should have. >> in fact, you got elected with overwhelming support and re-elected with overwhelming support of both white and black residents of the city. your support among whites in new orleans dropped by half. >> the city was racially united when i came. when i got re-elected, it was for the most part, the same. when i took those monuments down though, it really, really, really touched people in a much deeper way. and i didn't lose all of my white support, but i lost half of it. in a way that will never come back to me. what was curious to me as a politician, i've been involved for 30 years. >> i meant when you both had hair.
>> it was a long time ago. but and i had voted on some tough issues. i have had people come up to me and say i didn't like the way you voted ed on the abortion i on capital punishment, but i generally like you and i think you're a good guy and i'll vote for you again. on this thing, it was much deeper than any other action. what people said to me, i'll never, ever support you again which i thought was really curious. >> you wrote that today's peshl square is teeming with hatred we haven't seen since the 1960s. why do you think that is? >> i don't really know. >> isn't it to say it's all because of donald trump? he seized on something and exploited it. >> i'm not a fan of the president's, but it's not his cause. he didn't cause it. he's a symptom of it. he's a peft fit for exacerbating it and he knows that strategically, division is
working for him even though it's working against the country. but there's a much deeper thing going on. so the reason i don't want to concentrate for the moment on this, just on president trump, other than to acknowledge that he has been come plolice it and he has put the accelerator on it is because it's a bigger issue for all of us and t not just him, but it is worth noting that the germ, the seed of all of this is racial hatred in a sense of white supremacy, which is why in the book, i talk a lot about david duke and when david duke was in the legislature with me -- >> white supremacist. >> i sat with him. he was a neo nazi. leader of the cku klux klan. got elected in 1990 and subsequent to that, ran for governor and for the united states senate and in one or both of those election, got two out of every three white votes. so i have said in the book that we're not seeing anything there on the national level that we haven't seen in louisiana relating to that racial issue, but it's critically important.
it is critical to talk about the cause of white supremacy because we have seen examples in our history. that when one group of people think they're superior to another, atrocities occur and one of them is slavery. one is a holocaust, one is apartheid. you can see examples of where we as human beings have allowed ourselves because we didn't check our worst impulses to get to a place that create very dark moments in history. >> you actually said the parallels between david duke and president trump as demagogues are breathtaking. his make america great again sloegen is the dog whistle of all time. >> yeah so if you spent any time in the south, and you go speak to most people and particularly african-americans, and you say i want to make america great again. they'll go, i want to make america great, well, me, too. but if you put the comma and the
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! i worked if r r a guy who made a speech that kalt pulted him into the national conversation. >> there's not a liberal america, a conservative america, there is the united states of america. >> you made a speech when you took these statues down. >> these celebrate a fictional confederacy, ignoring the death,
enslavement, terror that it stood for. >> why were people so hungry for the message of that speech? >> when i gave this speech, i gave this speech in new orleans to a local audience. i was delivering a speech not only to the people of new orleans but to white working class people as an invitation to see things in a different way, to explain the facts that had never been explained to them. to talk about what the real story is. and inviting them to think about things dimpbltly in an effort to reconcile and i was really shockeded that anything that i said went viral because as you know, 30 years of public service, you give a lot of speeches and some you think are pretty good. >> so i want to ask you this and i don't want you to go into politician evasive tactics here. people talk about you as a
presidential candidate and partly because of this message and because there is this we are deeply divided. how seriousry are you thinking about snit. >> couple of thing, it would be disingenuous to tell you i don't hear that when a lot of people call and ask and talk, but i've been doing this for 30 years, so i listen to that with skeptical ears. i don't know how hard it is to get elected and how hard the job is and how many people there are that would like to do the same thing. so when you're thinking about this, when you say seriously, i am not doing what other people are doing, which is to say i'm not running then preparing to r or setting up all these apparatuses. the most important thing, not trying to skirt the issue, especially given the way the president handled himself on the
world stage where he humiliated the united states of america with putin, collusion in motion. is what we witnessed. that has got to be clear even to some president trump's most ardent supporters. those who supported him because of trade or the economy. that was a bridge too far. that you can't have a coach plan for the other team. we just witnessed something no president would have done. >> you know what, i'm not interested in figuring it out anymore. president trump has us all spinning around in circles trying to figure out why he does what he does. we need to focus on what his baifr is and whether it makes america stronger or weaker. i think he weakened us in a way we've be never been weakened before and he should be ashamed of himself for the way he handleded it. more importantly, putting that issue aside, we need to work around him as a country and how to contain him. >> hard to work around the president.
>> but it's not impossible and it is possible for the speaker of the house to grow some courage and to start checking the president's power and there are lots of different ways to do that. some republicans have to hold their noses and vote for democrats. because congress are going to have to change him and you know what, if those folks don't do their job, they have to change them because this isn't about party anymore. this is about country. the republican party has always prided itself on being the family of faith, family and country although i think the democratic party is as well. how do you main thatain sense om a true patriot when you're allowing the leader to give to russia whatever it is they need. wow, reagan's turning over in his grave. so you think this is a watershed moment in the last. >> i have no idea. how many watershed moments can you have before people, we know -- >> this one feels different. >> a lot of them have felt
different to me. everything we thought we knew about politics has not come to be. there is a silver lining and it's that the country is tougher and more resilient. at some point this time though, it becomes clear and obvious whether the president is working on behalf of the american people or against them. whether he's making a stronger or weaker, whether or not we're headed in the right or wrong direction t. more important question is why his base will stay with him no matter what. even if they will, it is incumbent on the people not in his base, but like him for certain things to finally say listen, this doesn't work anymore. it doesn't matter how high the stock market is or what the return to the shareholder ss or what the unloimt rate is. you cannot basically undermine the essence of what the united states of america because i can't last for long time. >> leave yourself out of it for now. what kind of candidate do you
think needs to run in 2020 to be an effective counterpoint. >> that's an excellent question because the democratic party can always be countied on to shoot itself in the foot. if it was a constructive primary, then as you know, the democratic party much like the republican party in a family food fight will have a number of different it rations. you have the progressive wing of the party really tilting to the left then you have basically, the moderates then you have people that are kind of fallen in both of those categories to the inside and outside players. just for me, this notion of having a new, young, macron come along that may happen. i'm more of a traditionalist. i would like somebody with great experience. i would like somebody b that could restore america's stat chur in the world in day one. somebody b that knows what they're doing because they've done that before. that can stabilize and just
rebalance the country for four years. >> sounds like you're describing joe biden. >> i think i am, honestly. if i had to pick today and he could take over tomorrow and life would be a lot better for everybody and plus he understands working class folks. in a way that most people don't. but for my liking, i think stability, i think certainty, i think a good world view. i think experience, all that stuff should matter more to the world at the moment. >> a number of mayors, what you're describing doesn't seem to speak to the mayors. no one's ever been elected president as a mayor. >> that's true. >> do you think mayors have the experience necessary to run the country? >> yes. but i want to stay clearly about this. if we were in a normal time and we're not in a normal time, we're in an ab normal time.
my view might be different about whos who should ascend. as it relates to mayors though, i don't think there's another job in america that prepares you to be president than being a mayor. because mayors execute every day. they are in fact ceos. >> you're also more exposed. you get immediate feedback from your constituents. >> i have gotten at least more times than i'd like to, but in the morning, if my wife says we don't have any bread, can you run to the store, grab some milk. by the time i get out of my car, i have been spoken to in ways that would make you blush if you did something you didn't like. when i go to the cleaners, at the market, at the restaurant. what part to sarah huckabee sanders, that's happened to me. i didn't like that. that made me really uncomfortable. obviously don't agree with sarah
huckabee sanders on but she's doing a job and there has to be some private space for individuals that are working on behalf of the public to live. i flul i believe that people ought to have a right to protest. and reasonable time, place and manner. you can be as vociferous, as passion that the as you want, but at some point, there has to be a line because then it's impossible to work. plus, i thought it was just plain rude. i don't think we have to, we're not going to beat them by being like them. >> what's your reaction to the movement among some democrats to abolish i.c.e.? >> that's a bad idea. as you know, when i was mayor, consent decree on our police department. we had to completely reform the way the police interacted so it became a part of the community but we never said we're going to get rid of the police department, we said we were going to fix it. the border agents, all of them were operate iing at the direct
at the president of the united states. everything they're doing is at his direction. that's where the problem is. so i would not abolish i.c.e. i would refocus their attention ton making sure they take care of people and not hurt people. i really can't think of a crueller thing than separating mothers from their children. i think that speaks poorly of the president. doesn't reflect well on the country and it was really wrong. >> next on the axe files. >> one of the issues that i still don't have a handle on, don't understand and won't accept is the number of deaths of young african-american men on the streets of america. how do you win at business? stay at laquinta. where we're changing with contemporary make-overs. then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander
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what did you learn from your dad about politics and growing up in a -- in office from the time you were born. what did you learn about politics? >> first of all, i loved it. i have eight brothers and sisters and i kind of took -- >> your sister mary, the eldest, she took to it. she was the three term senator. >> the boss. both my mom and dad came from a focus of service. we're catholic. we were born kind of into the ethos during the zcivil rights movement. my mom and dad were always about helping other people. i can remember just remember what my dad did and hanging out with him. i used to jump in the car on saturdays, driver around the city, which is what mayors do.
they drive around to look at the pothole or the light that's out so you know. and he would come home, never told me this, he would come to the office, that plant on 2nd -- >> when he got into the office because he'd drive to every day to different route to see whether this abandoned building had been taken down, whether this light was fixed. >> and he'd say who was supposed to fix it? it's fixed, it's not. i was out there today. get your behind out there and fix it. he would always tell me really in the course of life, without being theoretical, be fair. you know, be just. treat other people well. and he would always tell me something that got later in my life, bothered the hell out of me. what do you think i should do? he would say play your politics in the future. just reverberate in my mind. whatever happened, don't ignore it. but ask yourself what's the smart thing to do. not the i'm going to get you back thing.
what's the wise thing to do. you know, for the right reason and that always was helpful to me. >> you wanted the job so much you ran for it several times before you got it. >> three times. >> what did you learn? >> it's awful to lose. you know how people say it's a -- you learn from it because you'd be an idiot not to learn from the stupid things you do that cause you to lose, but it's not fun. you would never choose to do that, but i lost twice. i've always wanted to be, in my dna, mayor of the city of new orleans. >> you walked into a city that was in desperate shape in 2010. still reeling from katrina. fi fiscal problems and so on. you did a lot of great work to deal with those issues. one issue you struggled with to the end was violent. you write very movingly in this book about the experience of
having to go console fathers and mothers. >> well, first of all, serving was really the greatest honor of my life. it was a tough, tough, tough eight years. we rebuilt a great american city. but one of the issues that i still don't have a handle on, don't understand and won't accept is the number of deaths of young african-american men on the streets of america that nobody -- other than their parents and family members who want to spepd a lot of time. i think it's a fixable problem so it's something i wanted to know and understand. >> how is it a fixable problem. i come from chicago. tremendous issues there. >> i'm walking by faith here, not sight. this isn't rocket science. this is human beings hurting others mostly with guns. i wanted to explore the notion that violence is a public health threat that it transmitsist like a virus. it's a behavior yoral pattern that developing over time. not just because of personal
choices, but because of what people live in. we got the murder rate down to as low it's it's been since 1970. that's still too high. in cities in america in baltimore and chicago, even in some neighborhoods in new york who have reduced their rate dramatically, you have young men being killed at numbers that are just not acceptable. that's not smart for a country that wants to be -- >> maybe what we should d b doing is encouraging properties like cafe reconcile all over this country and programs that are bubbling up from the community. >> correct. >> and have the potential to give hope and opportunity to kids who don't have it. >> let me give you a couple of examples. it is true, well, let me start off with the hard stuff. it is not true that guns don't kill people. guns do kill people and people use guns to kyill people so we need to speak the truth, but it's not swrus guns.
education is really important. early childhood education. the environment is important. the lack of jobs is important. housing is important. workforce training is important. >> this issue of the police and community relationship excessive force on the part of police, this is the issue that caused nfl players to neil. hkneel. how coyou revolve that really, really difficult question? >> first of all, it is a really question. the first and most important thing is safety and security. one of the great issues is how do you balance safety with civil liberties. we had had way too many police involved shootings and had to reestablish the relationship between the police and community because the community dunce trust police, they won't call them. and then say settle their d differences themselves and that turns into chaos. so you have to go through this
very aggressive process of retraining police officers on when to use force and not to. it can't be the first thing. it has to be the last thing. police have to be part of the community. if you're not doing that, then you're not in a position to keep the community safe. now there are some people who think this people ought to carry about batons, ought to beat people, shoot them when they want. that's just awful and that's what the issue of profiling was about again back to what youened astarted off with. when you asked me about president trump. same rules apply to him as the young african-american kid on the street. you judge him by his behavior. you don't judge him by his creed, color, party affiliation and if he is engaged in bad behavi behavior, you appropriately use the kind of power the state gives you in a way that protects security and civil liberties. it is possible to get done. it's only people who want to take a shortcut that are not concerned about those essential
american ideals who want to put us in a position of weakness. if doint do it right, you're going to cause more harm, more crime, not less. >> coming up next -- >> couldn't get someone to lease you a crane to remove these statues. the resistance -- >> was intense. this school year, get a new iphone from t-mobile and keep your whole family connected. or keep tabs on them. he skipped orientation for the beach? he takes after me. join t-mobile, buy an iphone 8, get an iphone 8 on us.
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damages that was to some of my friends until -- >> and one of your friends was the one who raised it with you. now i find myself 56 years old, mayor of a major american city. they say a lot about who they are and wenton said to me, you need to take that statue down. i said why? he said have you thought about him from my spperspective. >> putting yourself in somebody else's shoes. right away, my brain because i'm a politician was like, man, that's a, when you're asking me for a really, really big thing, but i did tell him, let me think about i. when you think about it and you do and i began to research robert e. lee, his connection to no new orleans, why he was there. >> he virtually had no
connection. >> no connection except an icon of the confederacy. the more i began to research, i stomaumbled into the real histo the cult of a lost cause was a movement that occurred well after the civil war ended to basically put a foot down and contin contra vert what really happened and try to perpetuate this notion that the civil war was the great loss for the cause and the country was worse for it. these are the folks who fought to -- not unify it then finally as a major of a african-american city i'm rebuilding, we're going to continue this charade that somehow, this man is a person of reference. so i call it had question on it and so it was a recognition that the city of new orleans is a continuous government and that i as the mayor at this point this time was continuing to work and we have to cross correct. sxwl you removed this and four other icons of the cult of the
lost cause around this city. but it wasn't easy. >> no, it was hard. once i started putting myself in the shoes of wenton and other people, this was so clearly wrong and out of sync which is that we are a great multicultural mecca. there is no other city in america. that have the kind of accumulation of this uniquely american notion that we are one. our food, music, entire ethos is that we're all in this together and to have icons like this standing in places of reference that actually were supportive of things that were hypothetical to everything that new orleans ever was and ever is didn't make a lot of sense to me. yet you couldn't find a contractor, his car was fire bombed just for taking on the
assignment and he backed out. you can't get someone to give you a crane. the resistance g again, another reputation. what institutional racism means. when white people hear that, they think ths a -- thing. when people who have power, then they have the money, the equipment, they have the manpower decide you're not going to get something done, it doesn't matter how just your cause is. it gets that much harder and african-americans have lived that their entire lives so in the speech, i write a couple of times and use a couple of different examples about put yourself in the shoes in the instance of a young 12-year-old african-american girl who's coming down the street. >> can you look into the eyes of this young girl and convince her that robert e. lee is there to encourage her? do you think that she feels inspired and hopeful by that story? do these monuments help her see her future with limitless
potential? >> for the two years that i really thaubt about this, i talk today a lot of people. did a lot o thinking, prayeing, research. it became reallyi inreally, rea it was wrong. i got to a point where i couldn't explain who were yet torbjoto be born that i didn't do what was right in front of me. i'm immensely proud >> you were out there, you were lieutenant governor at the time of katrina. you were in the boats. what was going through your mind that time as you were pulling people out of the water sw seeing bodies on the waterer? >> it was surreal. for a moment we had a complete break down of all the government systems. didn't exist anymore for a couple of days. it was a dark time. there were some really hard
things. citizens, our fellow citizens dead on the side of the street. that'se motionally hard to see. but even in the tarbgest time what was most encouraging is that people started lifting each other up. we've seen it in our darkest hour people who would normally walk across the street from each other ran in to lift each other up sw people weren't worried whether you were black, white, rich, poor, everybody was helping everybody out. >> the whole community took a titanic hit. but the brunt of it was felt in the lower ninth ward the sense that tae -- the sense of isolation of getting relief to the area created a feeling that maybe this was a systemic issue that the poor were forgotten.
sw we saw that in puerto rico. >> the storm didn't tis criminate. general who everybody knows said it the best -- he said when it's hot the 350r are hotterer when it's cold, the poor are colder. we have to witness. when you saw all those citizens left behind. he said who left them behind? the immediate punch was the mayor sw the governor. the much harder question is the country left them behind. there are institutional failures continue to exist in this country e. income and equality. so that they tidvent the ability to get themselves out of harm's way. you saw this replicated in puerto rico. you remember that year that puerto rico got hit by maria, they had storms in houston and florida and right now puerto rico's the place that still tuzant have electricity.
puerto rico continues to be forgotten. that's part of who we are the country has missed that. >> sw this area was really down on its luck after the storm sw there are taegs there's all this activity, not just cafe reconcile but other activity here. >> we're in a neighborhood that used to be the most atkpwreszive pipeline to prison. and you see this replicating itself across the city. >> i'm thinking you're if weing to miss this job. >> i do miss it. i miss the construction. i'm a mechanic in a way. i like solving problems, helping people. i don't miss the relentlessness of the responsibility though. >> you slept with a phone on you. >> every night i slept with a phone. there would be nights i was woken up because there was a catastrophic event sw i -- it
was actually a relief sw a joy. it was a great job but eight years of the was enough for me. >> coming up next. tprrsz. >> played jesus. president is a big role, man. ne] no. no, no, no, no, no. cancel. cancel. please. aaagh! being in the know is a good thing. that's why discover will alert you if your social security number is found on any one of thousands of risky sites.
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everything. but i actually started taking singing tkapsing sw music lessons. but 16 i actually got my aaegs . i have a degree in political science and theater. double major and that was before ronald regan became president. they say well, politics is theater. in many ways it is. but i liked it in its essence. i actually love the work that great actors and great singers to and i'ver enjoyed it my entire life. i am free. i'm looking for a gig. i am straight up looking for a gig. >> you played jesus. president. president a big role, man.
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