all happened kwekly but it hasn't. >> that's right. i'm glad you opened in that way. the two cases are intimately related. one of the reasons p baker and mcconnell go to court precise i lauz loving v. virginia happened. they are galvanized to fight for their rights as well. >> it's always an interesting moment to remind heist miendmind myself that loving happens in 1967. after we have had the success of the civil rights act of 1964. after the voting rights act in 1965. you need another set of oh processes to bring about marriage equality. part of what i want to know is if marriage equality becomes the law of the land in this case that we are now -- that the judges will now hear. what difference will it make? >> i think it will make a huge difference. as you say it took a long time