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sample saz nine point lead for clinton. republicans came back to trump after the debate. still nine points with four weeks to go. at this point this 2012 mitt romney was up one point. we know how this race turned out. this is a huge problem for donald trump. a lot of people think this means game over. with both candidates campaigning in florida where do trump and clinton stand there? they are both there because it is a very competitive state right now as it was in 2012. the closest in 2012 between obama and rom. clinton with a three point lead in florida. that is within the margin of error so you would call which a statistical dead heat. this poll was taken before the debate and before the tape kale out so we need updated data to see if it moved but clinton with slight lead beforehand. this is a very kmef state. hillary clinton trails among men to donald trump. she has about the same size lead among women. so you have your gender split there.
donald trump speaking in florida. behind my almost doubles digits all over the country. the same national polling shows a slight bump in data gathered after sunday s debate. can any candidate trailing so badly actually turn things around? john francis is here looking at by the numbers. we often don t say national polls don t matter as much this close to the election but what are the numbers showing. when the numbers like like this it does matter. this is nbc wall street journal poll. two parts of the sample. a lot of people were talk about this yesterday. the first two days of this sample when the tape came out talk about the groping women. hillary clinton opened 11 points. that is astounding. when you take the three day
puts her over 300. then it is almost impossible. can donald trump do it? sure. he d have to win pennsylvania and michigan. colorado, virginia, wisconsin and new hampshire. see what i m getting at? florida gives you 29 in one big package. if you can t duet it there, it is have are hard to find somewhere els. and florida is more conservative than all these states. if donald trump is losing florida he s losing michigan, pennsylvania, colorado and probably also losing ohio. john king, thanks. let s bring in our panel. errol louis and clinton supporters christine gwynn and paul loeg la. also with us is kayleigh mcenany and joseph pirelli. monica langley is back as well from the wall street journal. based on the reporting, this idea of two prong strategy of trump trying to depress
this is why clinton has the lead. florida is a moderate state among independents. and the you see among moderates she has an 11 point lead. a centrist state in florida. if you are winning the middle, independents and moderates you can win florida. a comeback for trump, can we do it without florida? no. i ll give you some math, it would be crazy to get him there without it. we have clinton at 272. that would be winning. donald trump at 196. the gold states are the toss up state, including florida. say donald trump won them all. that gets him in play. 264 to 272. then he would just have to find six more. gives him a lot of options. win colorado, virginia, win new hampshire and something else. but if you take florida, it is 29 electoral vote, anderson. if you take that off the map, if hillary clinton wins florida it
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