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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130902:22:26:00

he is kind of a little guy, even for his age i think he is a little guy. it s hard to imagine someone that age being in that position. had you ever been in juvenile? no. this was my first time. gingrich s age and lack of criminal record caught the attention of monica foster, an indianapolis attorney who has taken on his case pro bono. she is appealing paul s adult sentencing and fighting to keep him in a juvenile facility. he has never had a juvenile referral. never a juvenile referral. i ve never heard of such a thing. 12 years old, we re going to treat him like an adult with zero juvenile referrals. to treat a 12-year-old as an adult is for the system to say we give up on you. there is nothing that we can do to rehabilitate you. and to me that is selling the justice system so far short. and it is selling a kid like paul so amazingly short. it s just ridiculous.

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130902:22:36:00

lundy is serving a 30-year sentence after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit murder in the shooting death of his stepdad. like afterwards, i couldn t even believe myself like what happened. how could i possibly be in this situation? you know, i went from a s and b s students to in jail. i didn t even know what to think at the time. every day i just think if i just would have, you know, like just done one thing different. i mean it s a waste of time to do that because you can t. once it s done, it s done. there is no going back. lundy s 12-year-old friend paul gingrich was sentenced to 25 years in wabash for his crime. but due to his age and size, department of correction officials placed him in pendleton juvenile correctional facility, which only houses youth offenders. most of the kids we get in our juvenile system are going to

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130902:22:25:00

i was kind of, like, scared, because i didn t know where i was where my body was going to be and everything. 12-year-old paul gingrich is one of the youngest kids in indiana history to be sentenced as an adult. paul was a friend of colt lundy when the two boys fired four shots, killing colt s stepdad in his northern indiana home. paul was sentenced to 25 years in the wabash youth unit, but due to his age and size, officials made a bold decision and placed the seventh grader at pendleton juvenile facility, a maximum security prison which only houses juveniles. he s not our first murderer here, but he is not the typical thing that you would see. you just saw the paper and you would expect a much larger, scary kid. and that s just not the case with him.

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130902:22:37:00

be here for six to 12 months tops. so i think that takes on a different dynamic when you have somebody like paul who is 12 years old who already knows, recognizes the fact that he is essentially going to have to grow up, go through puberty and adolescence in a correctal facility. i have to say that in those particular cases, the juvenile facility is the one best prepared to help him through that type of growth. it s for precisely these reasons that paul and his lawyerer, monica foster, continue to fight to keep him in the system. we re trying to go to indiana supreme court to get appeals i can get waived down to juvenile again, help me change my sentence. sentenced as an adult, but held at pendleton juvenile, paul is stuck in a type of legal limbo. this is the first kid we ve ever had who is a legal adult in a juvenile facility. so we re learning as we go, because we ve never had to deal with this and what his situation

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130630:09:54:00

just be gone. i don t believe that there was anything that could have helped me besides for this. six months after we met miles, we went back to see him at wabash. now in the adult population, we asked about the visit with his son. never had the visit. never had the visit. my parents, you know, they had the paperwork to bring him down with them. but she didn t want him to. i d like to tell my sonny love him and hopefully if i get out, he never remembers any of this because he s still young. there s a lot of people. it s like day one all over again. i just hope some of my friends are listening to me, you know. some of my friends that were out there running in the streets with me, doing all those bad things that we did. terrorizing people. it could all change in one day by the stupid decisions you make. as for paul gingrich, lawyer

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