kellyanne conway had to say about it today. >> that cannot be verified. that's a classified briefing. we should all be increasingly confirmed that we have, quote, intelligence officials, divulging information unsourced, unnamed to the rest of us. just to smear the president-elect of the united states we now have intelligence officials divulging information they're sworn not to divulge. we should be very concerned about that. i don't even think this is fake news. i think it's just fake. i would take the news word right out of it. >> reporter: so what we're seeing from donald trump and his advisers is pushback against the intelligence community but taking issue with the underlying allegations that cnn has not cooperated and have not been reporting. and reince priebus, trump's chief of staff, said he asked donald trump directly about some of these underlying allegations. donald trump apparently told him they were complete garbage but
in more colorful language. you can bet this will come up at the press conference today, as well as a host of other issues. back to you, chris and alisyn. >> a lot to discuss. let's bring back evan perez and cnn political analyst carl bernstein along with senior international correspondent collar ris is ward in moscow. carl and evan worked together on this report alongside jim sciutto and jake tapper. carl, let me begin with you. you heard kellyanne conway saying this was leaked by the intelligence communities classified information that shouldn't be out there. >> our sources for this information originally were not the intelligence community. in terms of the underlying documents and story, which i began working on a good while ago as did others at cnn, the intelligence community was not the original source of this information. this is part of a counter
it. >> reporter: it's pretty extraordinary, chris. what we're seeing is president-elect donald trump directly quoting the kremlin spokesperson, dimitri peskov, who told reporters that this entire report is a witch hunt. he described it, quote, as a clear attempt to harm our bilateral relationship. the fabrication of such lies in terms of the previous open part of the report and this one which is a comparable lie, it's called pulp fiction in english. peskov also went on to address the allegations that russia had been collecting compromad, an age-old or decades-old technique that the russian kgb and fsb has used which is essentially collecting compromising information on potentially powerful people that could be used ostensibly for blackmail purposes. he said no, the kremlin does not
have compmad on trump, it's complete fiction. with regards to whether they have it on hillary clinton, he said something very similar. we have no compromat on clinton. the kremlin and the russian president tried to rebuild relationships and the russian people and for the world in the interest of stability and security, all of this, chris, very similar language to what we have been hearing over and over again from the kremlin since the allegations have hacking emerged months and months ago. as far as the kremlin is concerned, there's more than enough plausible deniability. this is their story and they're sticking to it. >> evan, now that we know from your reporting and carl's, among other colleagues, that this information was included in the briefing from the intelligence community to donald trump and to president obama, now what? now where does the investigation
go? >> reporter: actually, it's very important for us to underscore that, alisyn. in all the tweets that the president-elect has sent out, none of them says that he did not receive this information in the documents that were provided by the intelligence community. it's a very important thing because he's mentioned all these other things, but he has not yet taken on the central premise of the story that he wrote yesterday and been airing. so we know it's true and he has not yet addressed that. what happens now is that simply the fbi and the intelligence community are still taking a look at this stuff. they know it's out there and they know it's important enough for them to get to the bottom of this because we've never had a president take office with this cloud, frankly, over him. we're not saying it's true. we're not saying these allegations are true or have been proved. as a matter of fact, there's still a lot of work to be done here to get to the bottom of it. but we know they just cannot be
dismissed. we know the fbi is going to spend a lot of time looking not only at these allegations but looking at a broader set of facts including possible contacts, communications between people who were associated with the trump campaign surrogates and people associated with the kremlin. so this is going to be a lot of work that the fbi is going to spend time trying to get to the bottom of, as well as the intelligence agencies. >> we asked kellyanne, reince priebus, anybody in the incoming administration to come on the show. they denied and declined those invitations. carl, to what extent is it true that the speculation about what the connection is potentially between trump and russia that could compromise him is of his own doing, his sheltering of russia from obvious responsibility according to the intel community for the hacks, his desire to not disclose
business interest, not disclose taxes? >> obviously there's this whole underlying question of conflict of interest. myself and others have talked about it, his business investments in russia, around russia, partnerships with russians, debt that might be incurred to rushians, et cetera, et cetera. that's part of the story. there are a couple of stories coming together. also, let's be fair to donald trump that this is why these things are going to be investigated, to see if there's anything there by the congress of the united states inevitably, as well as by the intelligence agencies. more important, the president-elect in that latest tweet seemed to indicate that this was going to be a fight with the intelligence community. if you look at that tweet, he declared war on the intelligence agency agencies. that is an extraordinary situation. one of the things the outgoing intelligence chiefs, and some of
them are not outgoing, is to lay down a marker for the incoming president and for an ongoing investigation that is going to be almost impossible or very difficult for him to thwart. he can't stop this process unless he does something that is liable to produce a very, very troubling political reaction. >> carl, clarissa, evan, thank you very much. this plays into another dynamic which is secretary of state rex tiller son's confirmation hearing. he has his own connections with russia to speak to when his hearing begins in just minutes. we have a live report from capitol hill next. en a rodent r. [dad] alright, buddy, don't forget anything! [kid] i won't, dad... [captain rod] happy tuesday morning! captain rod here. it's pretty hairy out on the interstate.traffic is literally crawling, but there is some movement on the eastside overpass. getting word of another collision. [burke] it happened. december 14th, 2015. and we covered it.
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capitol hill. >> rex tiller son was expecting to face a lot of tough questions on russia today. this new intel adding more fuel to the fire. according to prepared remarks he'll deliver in front of the committee in just under an hour, he'll be making a sharp departure from the rhetoric we're hearing from president-elect donald trump. tiller son today will label russia a danger rex tiller son facing the senate foreign relations committee today. tillerson is expected to address his 17-year relationship with russian president vladimir putin. in the military's opening statement released to cnn, tillerson will say the u.s. government must be, quote, clear-eyed about our relationship with russia, that the country poses a danger and must be held to account for its actions. this as attorney general nominee senator jeff sessions faces day two of an already contentious
confirmation hearing. >> this is one of the more consequential appointments in american history right now. >> reporter: fellow senator cory booker will testify against sessio sessions. on tz multiple protests broke out against the alabama senator over old allegations of racism which sessions addressed head on and strongly denied. >> as a southerner who actually saw discrimination and have now doubt it existed in a systematic and powerful and negative way, i know that was wrong. i know we need to do better. >> reporter: sessions breaking away from some of the president-elect's controversial statements, including trump's campaign call for a ban on all muslims entering the u.s. >> i have no belief and do not support the idea that muslims as a religious group should be denied admission to the united states. >> reporter: trump's vow to
bring back waterboarding -- >> absolutely improper and illegal. >> reporter: sessions also pledging to enforce supreme court rulings on abortion and same-sex marriage despite consistently voting against those issues in the senate. meantime general john kelly tapped to lead the department of homeland security had a much smoother confirmation hearing on capitol hill and is likely to sail through to confirmation, the same expected today from the start of the hearing for elaine chow to be the next secretary of transportation. >> president-elect donald trump has not directly addressed the allegations or even verified whether or not he knew about this appendix. but in a series of tweets, he's dismissing the matter out of hand as being completely untrue. let's discuss with congressman mike mccall, the chairman of the house homeland security committee and congressman from texas, where rex tillerson hails from, and all these stories kind of coming together.
do you endorse the understanding of the intelligence community that what they have learned about potential compromising information that russia might have about the president-elect deserves investigation? >> of course it deserves investigation. i think the fbi, the intelligence community and the congress will be looking into these allegations. but let's be sort of clear-eyed about what is in front of us. it has not been verified. it's based on one source. i know in the intelligence community when you have source information, you have to look at the credibility of the source and the information coming in. there's no factual proof that any of this occurred. if it did -- i've been to russia myself, i know in the hotel rooms when you visit you ear under surveillance. presumably if this took place, there will be video tape of this, and i have seen no evidence to confirm this. >> as you know from our reporting, the intel community
finds the source credible enough to they include it in the appendix to the report to the president-elect. do you think showing the video about the russian government and maybe what they have done, again, just an allegation, but the idea of getting that video, that's setting a pretty high bar for legitimacy, aren't you? >> you're correct in the sense that it was included in the appendix to the briefing based on one-source information. i see nothing to validate that or vary five that. i do think, as pointed out, it does warrant further investigation by not just the fbi and the intelligence community but the congress itself. my understanding is the report on the russian interference in our elections will be made available to the congress. at this point in time it's unclear whether the appendix will be. >> you just mentioned the intel conclusions about the hacking during the election. as you know, the intelligence community strongly believes that
it was russia. the president-elect strongly disagrees with that, has done so consistent consistently. raising questions on why he would be so intent on sheltering russia from responsibility that seems to be known as a consensus among the intelligence communities. how do you explain that? >> i think since the time of his briefing recently, he's acknowledged it, in fact, happened. i think what he said is it didn't have any influence. >> he has never said the intel community is right, i was wrong, russia is responsible for this. he said russia, china, south korea, they all are trying to hack us. it's an issue. people in his transition team say the same thing. they won't say in a simple statement, yep, intel community is right, russia did it. how do you explain that? >> well, my understanding, chris, and perhaps i'm wrong, is he has accepted the findings that the russians attempted to
interfere with the elections, but it did not influence the outcome of the election since the time of his briefing. prior to that time, chris, i warned both the obama administration and the incoming administration that this was a nation state attack on our democracy. it turned out to influence the election and it needs to be taken seriously, and i think consequences need to be taken as well. we've seen the bill that senator mccain and senator lindsey graham have introduced in the senate to have consequences to this type of behavior if a foreign adversary, foreign government attempts to influence our elections. >> just to be clear, you not only accept the recommendation of the intelligence community that this was russia and they know that, but you believe that the hacks did influence the election? >> no. >> i thought you just said that. that's why i'm asking you to clarify. >> what i say is russia
attempted to influence the election, but i think the consensus of the intelligence community is it did not impact the outcome of the elections. >> okay. and how does all of this come together today when rex tiller son gets into the chair of the core fir! hearing. he already has his own pre-existing relationship as a businessman with russia and there's speculation about what may have been done with his company's subsidiaries with state sponsors of terrorism. how do you think this plays out? >> this will be vetted at the confirmation hearings. that's why we have the hearings. i think rex is a unique, out-of-the-box choice in the sense that he's not just some guy that's been in the government for 20, 30 years. he is a guy who has international business ties including russia, has good relationships with foreign governments which i think can effectuate good foreign policy. i think in the case of russia, i'd rather have a guy who can
engage with a foreign country rather than somebody who is going to become an immediate adversary. i think the fact he does know putin can influence and shape that policy. to your point, chris, this will obviously be one of the key questions asked of him. >> congressman mccaul, always a pleasure to have you on "new day." >> thank you, chris. president obama saying good-bye. how will his time in the white house be remembered? thoughts on his emotional farewell to the country from our van jones next. ct therapy. a high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source. aleve direct therapy. can this much love be cleaned by a little bit of dawn ultra? oh yeah one bottle has the grease cleaning power of two bottles of this bargain brand. a drop of dawn and grease is gone.
president obama gave his farewell speech. cnn political commentator and host of tonight's town hall "the messy truth" van jones. what were your thoughts on his farewell speech? >> it was emotional. i remember the 2004 speech when he came out, no red states, no blue states and all that. my son was a little bitty burrito-sized baby. now he's running around playing soccer, writing music and telling me what to do. a big chunk of our lives has been this obama era, and to see it come to an end -- also to see out in the crowd all these faces i remember from the primary in 2008, people haven't seen for five years, six years. we all look a little older, a little bigger. >> they all converged there last night. >> they all con verged. >> he referenced atticus finch
""to kill a mockingbird."" the idea of understanding somebody by getting in their skin, contemplating their reality, it is a truism, but was it done well enough by this administration? >> it's ironic. one of the superpowers, especially early in his career, the ability to build bridges. he's black and he's white, but he's educated, a community organizer, over the eight years it did feel over time there was an erosion of that ability, not just with him, but the entire democratic party to really get out of the corner, get out of the polarity and truly, truly keep those connections deep. you remember that kind of almost bobby kennedy quality that obama had at the beginning to sort of scramble all the categories. it did feel like that got eroded. you saw him last night reaching back for that again and trying to tell us, you know what? that's the key to the whole thing, don't let that go. don't forget about it. >> there was this promise and
this hope back then that this would be a post partisan era. it seems so quaint and misguided now. there was also a feeling that because he was the first black president that it would do a lot for race relations. he talked about that last night. >> race remains a potent and often divisive force in our society. now, i've lived long enough to know that race relations are better than they were 10 or 20 or 30 years ago no matter what some folks say. >> okay. so where does that leave us? >> look, if you look at the actual history of race relations in the united states, you have this two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward, one step back. after the civil war you had reconstruction and people moving forward. you had african-americans elected across the south and then you had this retrenchment and then you had the civil rights era.
i think this is a heartbreaking moment right now. i don't feel good about race relations, i don't feel that we're anywhere near -- yet the conversation continues, the struggle continues. i think for some people on the left who have been so committed to the african-american narrative, the narrative of the dreamers, i think we overshot. i think we got out over our skis and forgot to have a big enough circle of love that also included other people who are hurting, including the coal miners, the industrial workers, and we ladd to pay a price. now i think maybe multiculturalism and pluralism can be expanded to include more people. >> not to be too literary, but that's the way obama is, some say love and i had the wit to win, you drew a circle that kept me in. is that part of the lesson you're learning in "the messy truth" that you can talk about
advancements with diversity and race and understanding our culture, but you have to do it in a way that is sensitive to norms as well and where those people are coming from? >> we're doing the special tonight at 9:00, i think people will be stunned with some of the things we're doing, bringing an african-american civil rights leader who has become very close friends with a white admitted racist. people are trying to reach across and amazing things are happening across the country. i think what's happened is we now actually believe our own rhetoric. we believe you can check a box and know what an african-american thinks or what a white guy thinks, what a lesbian thinks. we're going out and talking to real people, and what people say is so shocking and discome bob lating that we've got to start dealing with the people now and not the pollsters. they put us in these boxes and nobody wants to be in a box. america is much more complicated than most politicians want to
admit. >> such a great point. even party lines, peebl are cobbling it together for themselves. >> even look at the republican party. conservatives are usually clean government and this sort of stuff. yet, maybe we'll have to let a little nepotism? i don't know. all these different things are going on. it's messy and i love it and i love the fact that the people are confounding the experts over and over again. we've got a whole show dedicated just to that. >> can't wait to see it. thanks for previewing it with us. be sure to watch "the messy truth" hosted by van jones at 9:00 p.m. president-elect donald trump will finally take questions from the media after a nearly six-month drought. what will he say about russia and his many business conflicts? can he blame it all on us ahead?
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it is a big day and a big test for the president-elect. donald trump is going to take questions from the media in about two hours. it's the first time since he became president-elect that he's going to face the media. let's discuss what the implications are heading into this. cnn senior reporter for media and politics dylan byers and cnn media analyst author of "the war for late night" bill carter. bill, what do you think the first question is that the president-elect gets today? >> it's going to have to be about the russian report. that, of course, is a change. there would have been a question directly about his conflict of interest. i think he'll come out and make a statement ahead of time. but somebody is going to go after him on this russian thing right away to get a reaction
from him on that. there's so many areas he hasn't spoken on. so long since he's taken questions. it could be anything. >> dylan, there is so much to cover. what must journalists do today? >> i think they need to stay focused. obviously the faith in the media to do its job right now is at an all-time low. i think a lot of trump supporters certainly are going to be looking to the media to trip over itself, ask questions that aren't maybe front in center in the minds of americans that voted for trump. there's a lot to hold donald trump accountable for here. i agree with bill, there's an elephant in the room and that's the intelligence -- the classified documents that were presented to both donald trump and president obama. so, look, there's no question those will be front and center on the table. i think the key thing journalists need to do is make sure they're getting full answers from donald trump.
so much of what he says can be evasive, so much of what he says can be sort of general. he rarely answers a question directly. this is the first chance we've had in 168 days to ask questions directly and they need to press him on it. >> if you're headline hunting -- let's be honest, that's what most people will do -- he's going to give you one. he's going to say the media sucks, this is what they do. for 46% of the country that will be enough right there. >> i think he's going to be super aggressive. that's what he's going to do, come right after the media saying this is all made up, all fabrication, all a plan to delegitimize my presidency. i think he's going to be aggressive. he's going to call the media dishonest. he may call them disgusting, et cetera. i think it's going to be interesting to see how he handles the stage craft of it. he likes the attention, likes to
be a performer and you'll see some of that come out. this is a very theatrical thing where you're in front of everybody answering questions. dylan is right, there has to be focus in the media. they have to listen as well as think about their own question. he's going to say something that you have to follow up in a smart way. >> dylan, i want to be very, very clear. this is the opposite of fake news. fake news is intentionally fiction, written by fiction writers. this is real reporting regardless of what he says. >> that's right. this is real reporting. the press has been clamoring for a press conference for a long time, like i said, 168 days. there's an idea that somehow, if we get to sit in the room and ask him questions, that somehow that will clear things up, we'll get a more specific picture of his own history, this whole question about russia and about his policy proposals once he enters the white house. my concern, just the other day one of his top aides, kellyanne
conway told you, chris, why do you always take him at face value? why do you listen to his words instead of listening to what's in his heart? my great concern is we're so eager to hear what donald trump says in response to our questions, that maybe he'll say things he doesn't mean, maybe he'll make promises he won't follow through on, and maybe he will mislead us or at least not give us full answers to some of the questions we have. and that includes on that report about russia. >> that's why i like that he tweets because i think that you get things that he has to be held accountable for and it's all on him. bill carter, he's been tweeting a lot about this stuff, the russian allegations. on the face of it, he used julian assange as his basis for wooi he didn't believe the u.s. intelligence agencies about who was responsible for the hacks. now he's quoting russia as a source whether or not to believe these allegations about what's going on. how much are his tweets going to play in to what he has to answer for before the media?
>> i think they do play in. they're on the record, statements he's made on the record which we haven't heard before. he hasn't been addressing the press. these are his positions. so he should be held accountable. listen, there's a whole range of things he hasn't answered. why did they change the ukraine thing in the platform, for example? it looks questionable now. there are so many things that look more questionable now in light of this report. he has to be pressed on that. as dylan said, he will sluff that off and move right on. the other thing he does, he changes the position. whatever he says in this press conference could be invalidated the next day. kellyanne conway doubled down on this last month with seth meyers saying it always has been the case that you shouldn't listen to what comes out of his mouth, you have to pay attention to what's in has heart. maybe the tweets are more an indication of what's in his heart. >> on that point, you go back to the question of what should journalists do today, get him on
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moms know kids grow strong when they milk life. i'm jake tapper live in washington. >> i'm wolf blitzer. we want to welcome our viewers around the united states and the world. a major day ahead with big questions for donald trump and his incoming administration. moments from now another round of confirmation hearings gets under way. first up, rex tillerson for secretary of state, the exxon mobil ceo will face bipartisan scrutiny for business and personal ties with russian president vladimir putin. then in an unprecedented move senator cory booker will appear as a witness and testify against his senate colleague. the attorney general nominee jeff sessions. also on the hot seat, trump's
pick for transportation secretary elaine chao. she served under george w. bush and is married to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. for the first time since winning the presidential election and the first time in nearly six months, president-elect donald trump will hold a news conference during which he's pledging to outline his plan to try to separate himself from his businesses. it also comes just hours after cnn's reporting that intelligence chiefs presented trump with classified documents that allege, allege russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information on him. >> a lot to chew over on this busy day. let's begin with sarah murray outside trump tower. sarah? >> reporter: good morning, jake. donald trump has taken to twitter this morning to lash back at any notion that russia may have compromising material on him. he's taking a swipe at intelligence agencies as well tweeting intelligence agencies
should never have allowed this fake news to, quote, leak into the public. one last shot at me. are we living in nazi germany. he also insists russia holds no influence over him saying russia has never tried to use leverage over me. i have nothing to do with russia, no deals, no loans, no nothing. cnn has not corroborated the underlying allegations about this potential compromising material, but reince priebus, donald trump's chief of staff was on television this morning. he said he asked donald trump directly about some of these allegations. trump dismissed them as total garbage. wolf, jake, you can bet the questions about russia will come up in today's press conference as well as a barrage of other issues from obamacare to tax reform to how donald trump will disentangle himself from his business. >> sara murray outside trump tower, thank you very much. we'll bring in evan perez and pamela brown.
the reaction to the reporting, jim sciutto's reporting, carl bernstein, when he says are we living in nazi, germany, obviously he's really angry at all the reports that have come out. >> the greatest irony is that donald trump and his team have been huge fans of leaks during the last few months of the campaign, in particular the leaks that had to do with democrats and hillary clinton that showed up on wikileaks and other websites, information that was stolen by russian intelligence. that's the view of the u.s. intelligence agency. they've been promoting those, flogging those on twitter and social media. now they're not fans of this idea of leaks. the fact is that donald trump has not addressed the central part of our story which is that the u.s. intelligence agencies, the chiefs of these agencies met with him last friday and presented documents that included these allegations. again, we're not saying these allegations are true. there's a lot to be done to try
to see whether or not they are true. the fbi, the tlns agencies are still working on that. the central praem miss of the story he has not addressed in any of these twitter rants. >> we should also note that there is a difference between what the intelligence chiefs presented to president-elect trump and president obama and these uncooperated reports that are floating around that have been printed i think irresponsibly by other news outlets. we're not talking about the details there. we don't know which of those details were provided to president-elect trump. my reporting, your reporting and jim sciutto and carl bernstein suggests that the two-page synopsis was fairly anodyne, describing contacts between the trump campaign and the kremlin, allegations of contacts i should say, allegations of personal and financial information that might be compromising, claims that people are making. my understanding is that there
it will be interesting to see what exactly the state's asked for and potentially they could ask for jail time and of course, the defendant is going to say no, there should be no jail time, but the judge is going to look at everything they're going to look at his other cases as well. as well, the e. jean carroll case, they're going to look at is, as you stated what he's done in the past before and consider all that, but most likely, it will be probation. it'll be interesting to see if the judge stays the penalty. why trump has said that he's going to appeal this case. >> there's the gag order kelly matter anymore? the gag order does matter because the judge still has jurisdiction over the case. >> now, the judge can also consider the gag order as well about the violations in his penalty phase as well. but definitely the gag order is definitely in place and it's also important for the viewers to note that that trump, once he is sentenced that point he is a convicted felon so not until he sentenced in july, there'll be a convicted felon.
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Former President Donald Trump is set to face a trial to determine how much more he owes writer E. Jean Carroll for denying sexual assault in the 1990s. The judge has warned Trump and his lawyers not to say anything about Carroll's past romantic relationships, sexual disposition, or prior sexual experiences, and to not imply she was motivated by political agendas, financial interests, mental illness, or otherwise.
israel and hamas in talks to deliver medicine to hostages in gaza, as they mark nearly 100 days in captivity. and after 24 seasons and 6 super bowl rings, the end of an era for the man many consider the greatest nfl coach ever. >> announcer: this is "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. >> good evening and welcome. it was a memorable split-screen moment in american justice today. a former president and the son of a president on opposite coasts, each being held to account before courts of law. donald trump in a will he or won't he moment addressing the court, arguing on his own behalf in the penalty phase of a civil fraud case against him in new york, telling the court this is a fraud on me, and proclaiming his innocence in a trial in which he and his namesake company have already been found liable for falsely inflating his net worth by billions of dollars to defraud banks and insurers. tonight threatened with potential loss of
that's what he said but the t media ran with it saying he wants the economy to crumble. let meru translate this so the mediuna understands it the peop who work in cable news. if the five ever gets a low w rating, and i'm not saying it will, i don't want to be on tha' show. right? now, 80s when the five gets a low rating because it never does, but if it does, i don't want to be on the show.in now,g, does that sink into joy reed's head d now?he oh i get it, he was saying he doesn't want twao happen but ift does before he becomes president now he understands. >> greg: thank you for clarifyingthan greg. >> greg: my pleasure. >> greg:w ra you're never on a rated show. >> greg: true jesse eventhat wh i'm on your show i carry that. >> greg: what about you harold >> harold: as the judge knows this civil trial of president trump was all about the penalty phase he had already been found guilty by this judge principled which i assume president trump is going to appeal that as well as whatever the penalty phase
ran with that, like he wants the economy to crumble. let me translate this so the media understands it, the people who work in cable news. if "the five" ever gets a low rating and i'm not saying it well, i don't want to be on that show! right? i don't want to be on that show. i didn't say when "the five" gets a lower rating, i don't want to be on the show. did that sink into george reeds had now? he was saying -- he doesn't wanted to happen, but if it does before he becomes president. now i understand. >> jesse: thank you for clarifying, greg. you're never on a low rating show. >> greg: it that's so true, jesse, even when i'm on your show i carry that. >> jesse: this situation, the civil trial for president trump, this was all about the penalty phase. he'd been found guilty by this judge beforehand. which is what i assume president trump will appeal that
as well as whatever the penalty phase might be here. two, i never thought president trump should be disallowed to defend himself and make the remarks he made outside of court. i was pleased the judge allowed him to speak in court because he had every right to. i think others conditions the judge wanted him to conform with because president trump has been sanctioned by the courts because he said things they don't think he should have said. but i think it's the right thing. greg, the point about the judge you're talking about, the argument in the d.c. circuit court. what they're arguing is president and judge have the perspective on this as well but they're arguing president trump or any president has absolute immunity. they're arguing what if the president takes us to war and they had bad information. can you prosecute them in? of course not, this is a different situation so they're trying to advance that so i found the information about the seal to be odd but the judge was taking it to an extreme. we will see what the court