campaign from his former bos and 2020 and today mike penc appeared before the grand jury investigating january six. what his testimony could mea for the special counsel. and then the parents of louisville shooter speak out i an emotional interview what are they are saying about for real change. and it is more than just hollywood magic, how artificia intelligence is transforming movies, music, and eve politics but at what cost as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night goo evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle live fro washington d.c. tonight wher there is a major development i the special counse investigation into forme president donald trump s efforts to overturn the 2020 election according to a source familiar with the matter, today, former vice president mike penc testified for hours before the federal grand jury in the case the january six committe already shed some light on wha pence did that day in th capitol riot we have seen video of then vic president p
iowa as he works to cement his hold over republican primary voters trump s comes just after his lates nemesis, florida governor ro desantis make stops in the first caucus state on friday desantis has yet to announce a official white house run but h pointed to his administratio in florida as a quote, blueprint for the rest of th nation we will talk about tha blueprint later in the show. meantime, trump s vice president mike pence is callin out his former boss for januar 6th. at a dinner in washington just last night, pence said trump was wrong when he asked penc to overturn the 2020 election, so that trump is just part of a series o legal wars with the former president, overshadowing the upcoming gop primary battle. tomorrow afternoon trump s former lawyer michael cohe will testify before a gran jury in new york the investigation over alleged hush money play to adult fil star stormy daniels before the 2016 election. should be just around th corner and this morning, chu
phone call even just the end of the president was speaking from? i did, yes. and what to do here as i was dropping of th note in my memory, i remembe hearing the word win either he called him a wimp, i do not remember if he said you are a wind, he will be a wind. when is the word i remember. a win that is special counsel jack smith is most interested i what we have not heard yet the conversations pence ha with trump in the days leading up to january 6th. here is how the former president reacted to the new that pence testified today mister president what do yo think of mike pence testifying today? i don t know what he said but i have a lot of confidence in him i have a lot of confidenc in him the man that he called a wimp. with that let s get smarte with our lead off panel. ryan riley, peter baker, chief white house correspondent fo the new york times, and former federal prosecutor glenn kirschner. gentlemen we ve got a lot to
already shed some light on wha pence did that day in th capitol riot we have seen video of then vic president pence on the phone with then speaker nancy pelosi trying to get control of the situation. we ve also seen the secret service rush the vice presiden through the capital and find safety in a parking garage here is just some of what we learned during those hearing about the interactions between pence and trump on that fatefu day. when i entered the office a second time, he was on the telephone with, who were later found out to be who is the vic president. could you hear the vice president or only th presidents and only the president. at some point it started off a and then became need it. the conversation was pretty heed it. i think until it became somewhat of a louder tone, n one was paying attention to it initially. did you hear any part of th
time say, we shouldn t go with trump again s say look at 2022, who is the guy who was leading things donald trump and how did we fare? i think we are seeing is ove and over again, it is the best way of trying to navigate that space. the other thing i thought was really interesting tha kramer set, almost as an aside was, he doesn t listen to us anyway very accurate it is my understanding, eugene, you are at the dinne last night where vice pence ha some fighting words abou january 6th. and yet, he is not cooperating with this investigation. so it is to me, the sort of to step of wanting to b ostensibly on the right side o january 6th but not wanting to take the political heat fo seeming as though he i cooperating with the justice department i think that is right i wasn t there last night. when he started talking abou january 6th, at first it was kind of like the normal thin that folks have been saying, that he has been saying, peopl