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Stormy daniels out of a hope equi equity lo equity loan from his bank. exactly -- the exact purpose of all that money is not at this point clear. >> thats right. but now that weve learned this yet another lie upon all the lies that have been told, people are going to assume that that is a slush fund because michael cohen called himself a fixer. what else do you have to fix? are there other porn stars out there that youre going to have to pay off? >> i would say david schwartz in another lawsuit ...

Congress and face some pretty tough questions. you have null vainny saying he prioritizes meetings with lobbyists who give him true. thats not something youre supposed to say, especially not when youre working for a drain the swamp administration. you had mike pompeo, the presidents secretary of state pick. he did get through, but it was way more of a squeaker than it should have been, and now the woman nominated to replace him at the cia is coming under a lot of scrutiny for her overseeing some...

The end of the investigation. they view that to their political and perhaps to their legal advantage as well. >> laura, one of the things that is neglected in the understanding of what the special counsel is that everybody keeps saying, well, where are the crimes? where are the crimes? that is part of his mandate, isnt it true from the per view to rosenstein to the special counsel is also for him to develop notions and facts of coordination? >> absolutely -- >> not necessarily criminal activity ...

Subject. apparently donald trump is a subject. its clear from the evidence we have and report iing that has ce that donald trumps actions are being looked at. and has he et evolved to the point in the investigation that being someone likely to be charged, which would make him a target? but that could change at any moment. and with respect hes being told his status as nontarget, that seems to be in the mix already given that rod rosenstein moved that part of the investigation away from bob muelle...

Joining me now a reporter tom winter and former democratic congresswoman from new york that voted to impeach president nixon, liz holtsman. how did this come to pass? there may be viewers unclear about what this has to do with robert muellers investigation. >> the way we understand it based on people weve talked to is this case, and if its the heart of the search weve been told has to do with a possible payment to stormy daniels. so the bulk of this case is obviously thats outside the per view o...

Games, you do a lot of bad things and continually get appropriated. when i was the presidents chief of staff, all of these things would have been under my per view. if we heard a cabinet official has given raises and lied to us, he would have been gone. you spend a bunch of money on a roman holiday he would have been gone. scott pruitt wanted to use -- to john points to get to d.c., its a diplomat, like you know it is this towns restaurant. >> maybe he made a reservation. >> and h didnt want to ...

But shimon, the fact that we now know these four areas that muellers team is interested in talking to the president about, what could that indicate? >> well, it could indicate -- look, we know the four topics that we reported are on the obvious topics, right? michael flynn, jim comey, the firing of jim comey, the crafting of the statement. all of this, ana, weve reported on. there are other topics. and when we approached the white house about these other topics, they basically waved us off of it...

View of the public, so that the public cannot view the evidence and the facts and learn about what really happened here. they are trying to hide the facts and the truth from the public. it is clear as day. >> msnbc legal analyst is here with me, danny savales is here with me. i want to peck up on something more interesting you wrote about in which you which for ms nbcnews.com. lets begin with that, where does the $20 million come from? >> the term is liquidated damages. if two people enter into ...

The public. >> they want to have this adjudicated or decided in a conference room in a locked secure building outside the per view of the public so that the public cannot view the evidence and the facts and learn about what really happened here. >> but cohen has already admitted to paying daniels as part of the agreement. though, he has maintained that donald trump knew nothing about the confidentiality agreement or the payment and that he denies there ever was an affair. but daniels attorney ma...

His press conference. one, theres no allegation in this indictment that americans cooperated and, two, theres no allegation that it changed the outcome of the election. two things about that. on the first point, the keyword is in this indictment. this is an investigation thats on going. if anything, this indictment established a platform for future charges by laying out a conspiracy. the second thing, it is beyond the per view of the justice department to ever find if the outcome of the election...