no, i don t think so. no labels has been around since about 2008 or 09. it was very involved be the problem solvers caucus, which is a house caucus, which was a vice chair of. it s an equal number of republicans and democrats. you had josh gottheimer and brian fitzpatrick on a number of times. this is a little larger group, bipartisan, bicameral. and they ve been until now very focused on the issues. actually they still are. whether it was the debt ceiling, immigration, you know, keeping the government open, a whole bunch of very chips bill, infrastructure. but now the polling that we ve done shows that literally 26,000 people around the country, it draws equally unlike perot in 92, 30 years ago, was that perot basically took from bush and allowed bill clinton to win the election. the polling now shows that we
that donald trump has been good for. free trade and gun control. numbers going up in both areas. they are. and i wonder because steve would know these numbers peter than anybody, does that number move in terms of the populist fever chart really starting i guess the modern era starting with perot in 92 or is this also is this a polling question where if you re asking for if you re for free trade you say yes because you don t want to be seen as against it, but on election day you vote for what you think build a wall to protect your job. yeah. i think this is one of those there s some long term questions there that you re getting at there in terms of sort of the modern era evolution of the economy. but the movement reads more as more trump specific. sort of at a piece on the opinion of the wall. how he made the wall the
media or political world defi defined. right. take a look at perot in 92. he was the spoiler and caused bush his second term. there was an element vote in 92 that you would identify with happy candidates. perot was against you can see it again in 2020. the deficit, the national debt, perot ran on that. it was a democratic 92. he lost in the primaries. that was his signature. perot is bringing in a lot of suburban nights. when you get an independent candidacy that gets traction, it can draw as perot did as from different pockets. everybody on your screen had
made a mark in modern presidential elections, and you always heard in the run-up to each one of these elections, you heard that fear from one side or another, you go all the way back to 1980. john anderson, a liberal republican, ran as an independent. the carter white house, jimmy carter was terrified that anderson was going to draw all of his votes from carter. the carter campaign in the fall of 80 ran this campaign saying don t waste your vote, don t waste your vote. in the end anderson drew a little more from carter than reagan. but it turned out carter had bigger problems than that. there was a landslide. perot in 92. there was the question which candidate was he going to end up spoiling it for? he drew evenly from bush and from clinton. wasn t a spoiler there. he was a shadow of himself in 96. in 2016 you saw gary johnson, the libertarian, jill stein, the green party candidate. they were just a symptom, each one was, of the unpopularity of trump and clinton, the two major party
they do. they have to look at why he s doing so well. he s not only beating sarah palin and newt gingrich and mitt romney and tim pawlenty. haley barbour, every serious candidate would like to be where trump is in the polls and need to ask themselves why is he doing well? not just that he s talked about the birther issue. it s not just because he s famous. there are other reasons why he s doing well. if they don t adopt look what happened with perot in 92. he was doing well. people said, he s crazy, never been in politics, this is a joke and fad. the smart candidates like bill clinton looked what perot was talking about, recognized he was striking a chord with the public and adopted it. ross perot was talking about black panthers trying to break up his daughter s wedding and cia sicking dogs on his property, crazy stuff, gets 22%. haley barbour is not buying this