that some people have been wanting to see lived out for years. this is mueller. this is the january 6th investigation. this is election collusion and russia collusion. it's all of that in one ball. they're trying to now force it into not only a filmsy case, but a case that hinges, and people should make note, on a porn star and a disbarred lawyer caught lying and spent time in federal prison for it. when this is what you're standing this case on, for first time in history, again, with a president of the united states, former or current, i think you've got to go in with better ammunition than that. but the fantasia, the political pressure to get him on anything, get him now, drag him, give him the perp walk. wanting to shame this particular president is, i think, a sought
genuine resignation about what lies ahead. >> they are not coming after me, they are coming after you. i am just standing in their way. >> the possible prosecution by manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, could center on a $130,000 payment that trump's one-time fixer, michael cohen, made on behalf of trump to stormy daniels to buy her silence about claims of an affair with mr. trump a decade prior. the former president denies any wrong doing. hush money payments are not illegal understate law. any potential indictment could rest on how the payment was accounted for. a possible misdemeanor case or in the legal gamble, bragg could pursue a lower level felony. >> i am holding out hope justice will prevail, and if that happens no case, because it will die on the vine. >> i think in your heart of
bout lawyers xception but also not havingt( conflicts with the own clients. and in this case, it's possible that trump's attorney inq manhattan could have to cross-examine stormy daniels. and he could be able to use information that she told him in confidence. you know, going backok to this concern about trump and i hope i have -- get to do the perp walk and should i smile when i have my mug shot taken. i don't know where he's getting thisfá bravado from. even in his civil litigation, we heard from suzanne, he usually settles, which is a law. this bravado, when and if he's charged in a criminal case will quickly exit. he'se1 sounding now like axd th and an old school hip hop moviei almost like you expect him to say if i'm convicted i could do this time in my sleep. the new york case will be called people versus new york. a federal case would be called united states of america versus trump. i'm e;luuvthe state case would
what's the state of mind? >> he said by what is going on. >> trump lawyer alina, just told us that donald trump is not scared, he is sad. and like everyone who works for donald trump she, lies for donald trump. so we have no idea if he said. your guess about how donald trump's feeling is more accurate likely, than what anyone who works for donald trump says about how donald trump is feeling the new york times which always. has an easy time penetrating trump world to get to unnamed trump sources to talk about donald trump, always makes the mistake, frequently, i should say of believing them. as the new york times does in what they think is their breaking news report of the night under headline about donald trump's magic thinking. the first sentence is, donald j trump claims he is ready for his perp walk. now that is the correct the way to report that line. we do not know if he is ready,
fascinating. as you just pointed out they never tell the truth about it. particularly it is fascinating in this idea that he is seizing this as an opportunity, that he is happy about the, so-called perp walk. don't get me wrong, i think it is much more likely that we see him turn himself in so to speak, then he dig in his heels and stay at mar-a-lago waiting to be arrested. but that is because he is a coward not because he is trying to make a brave stand against anything you said something that i find so interesting clinically, and from your professional perspective, on your uncle, and your personal perspective. and that, is that he cannot feel sad. and, i am reviewing every human thing i've ever known, and i don't think that ever been around someone in that
as dj at a party with his spotify play list, which includes music from "rolling stones" and "phantom of the opera," you write he's fixated on a perp walk. walk us through your reporting. >> i think this is all kind of an open question of whether he is focused enough or serious enough about the legal jeopardies that he's facing in this investigation in particular, and the others you mentioned earlier. what's unquestionable here, though, is that he's trying to move -- he's trying to have his legal fight on a political battlefield, which brings us to this -- the perp walk, this, you know, long time new york city tradition of the perp being walked in front of journalists and news cameras to get pictures for the evening news. trump has kind of gamed the
crime, he should be charged with it. >> walk our viewers, if indeed the grand jury returns with an indictment, tell us what the next couple of days could look like in what could be a historic moment in this country? >> sure. trump will go through the same process that everyone else who's charged by a grand jury goes through. he'll be booked. in his case, he'll probably be permitted to self-surrender. this is a process that is often used in nonviolent crimes. he'll be finger printed. he'll have a mug shot. i hope there won't be a perp walk. i'm not a fan of that sort of a process in any case. i think it puts a defendant, who is negligent until proven guilty on display in a way that's inappropriate and it's unlikely to happen here. it shouldn't happen really in any sort of a case. but then at that point, he'll be arraigned in court. the charges against him will be read. he will enter a plea.
behind closed doors. according to a story in the "new york times," the former president has told friends and associates he welcomes the idea of being paraded around by authorities surrounded by the media. trump has also reportedly mused openly about whether to smile for the cameras during a possible perp walk and described the situation as a fun experience. that's according to the newspaper. we should note however that a traditional perp walk is unlikely. there's a possibility he will take a mug shot. at some point the world will likely see that. even if he argues that republicans are working on the issues that matter to the american people, mccarthy dismissed the possible indictment of the former president. >> remember when the dnc and hillary clinton paid the law firm a million dollars and said that it was for something else
that he's, you knowfá talking about the perp walk. should he smilrps) not? we know that at least according to theire1 reporting, he thinks this could be a fun experience. he wants to showñi signals of strength, not of shame.lp it all fits intor about the show part ofe1 him, t opj) s side of it. what i posited at the top is that there's this#q how much he actually thinks thi spin or reality, and proba:l/■j it's a little bit of both, what we know is that he's not going ápáive. he's going to get out there. he's going to rally people behind him. we'
convicted of a federal crime and would be brought here, just like anyone else, and formally booked, fingerprinted, having his mugshot taken. i don't think anyone expects of course that he will be slammed with handcuffs or forced to do a perp walk and of course he will have a security, his secret service details. but still, you see here in new york the nypd preparing for possible protest, preparing for that possible big moment here in new york. there's a hunt on in the south of england for a shark's head. it's being led by the tv historian dan snow. and it began after a dead shark was washed up on a beach near his home at the weekend. it turns out that shark is not normally seen in uk waters. and now scientists want to study it. but the problem is — someone got there firs. duncan kennedy reports on the efforts to get it back. the people who found the shark couldn't believe it.