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i said, you know that?. they said they did the dna. >> i saw her tear up when the death notification was provided to her that mike williams remains had been identified and located. >> you would think with the recovery of the body, murder charges would be filed forthwith, but that did not happen. detectives continue to investigate. they had another suspect in their sights and what a sensation that turned out to be. five months after mike's body was recovered, a perp walk to remember. denise williams in handcuffs being marched by cops from our office at florida state university. she was charged with first- degree murder of her first husband, mike. it was her daughter's 19th birthday. they said she confide with brian winchester to kill his best friend, mike. she pleaded not guilty. but, denise was the only one charged. what about brighton?
talked out of an thorntarian parade that would have torn up the streets of washington, d.c. the guy who threw out paper towels, t-shirt canon style at a relief center in puerto rico after hurricane maria. the guy who wanted to be wheeled out of walter reid when he got covid. the guy who used a bible as a prop at st. john's church and reportedly welcomed the idea of a perp walk in front of television cameras prior to his arraignment. as we said, spectacle. today reporting from "the new york times" just winding up to do it again. according to the times, in the course of a week, trump plans to attend all three of this month's courthouse moments. oral arguments on tuesday, closing arguments in the civil frud trial in new york on thursday, and then the start of the damages trial the following tuesday. michael and andrew are back.
no pushback on the other side that makes it a harder political argument in some ways. there was a tweet that biden put out last week in the aftermath of trump's arrest saying that nothing -- i think today is a great day to give to my campaign. what do you make of that? >> it is sort of -- it is one of the war shack tests, you could read into it what you want to. it is the day after debate or is he saying trump is about to get the perp walk. i think it is both good politics and good governance to stay away from politicizing and getting involved in what the justice department is doing. but on the other hand, joe biden is a candidate for re-election. he's not taking a month's oath never to invoke politics and this is the line that he's strad straddling right now. as trump becomes the nominee, there is going to come a time
pop and people in the new york city streets, claiming so incensed yesterday that he was going to be part of the it nobility of the perp walk and the party of law and nord or that is now attacking prosecutors and our system of justice and the party of law in order that, you know, is trying to defund the fbi and special counsel's office. the irony is just so -- >> given and how precedent it an unusual it is, it is worth taking a moment to think about the things that didn't happen. he didn't fully, he didn't have, he didn't decide he would have the standoff between federal and state law enforcement. when he was first indictment, it was another state indictment, it was in new york and he was at mar-a-lago at the time. and governor ron desantis came out and said law and forsman will not facilitate any extradition request, setting
republicans are rallying to donald trump's defense, from minimizing his alleged criminal scheme to suggesting danger is imminent. jim jordan's defense of trump with his committee opening an investigation into the work of fani willis. the once normy republicans are joining us with elise stefanik releasing a statement that partially said, quote, trump is being arrested for rightfully challenging the results of the election. something he had the legal authority to do. so okay, let's entertain that theory for a second. yes, you have a right to challenge an election, but the part that's against the law is being the head of a criminal enterprise to overturn a presidential election. a small detail that trump supporters disregard in their defense of him. but no one licks wounds quite like trump himself. he returned to ex-twitter for the first time since he was suspended from the platform after the insurrection to post his mugshot and the words, never surrender, after high literally surrendered. nothing like turned a perp walk into a primetime spectacle to raise money for your
very standard criminal procedure that really seem to anger the former mayor, americas mayor. >> i don't know if i plead today, but if i do plead not guilty, and i get photographed, isn't that nice? a mugshot for the man who probably put the worst criminals of the 20th century in jail. they are going to degrade themselves by doing a mugshot of me, like people won't recognize me. >> so, here is that mugshot. this is what giuliani was so incensed about, being photographed at a county jail and paraded in front of the press like a criminal. which is ironic -- part of what made rudy giuliani a national figure in the first place was his practice of parading people in front of the press like they were criminals. when giuliani was the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york in the 19 80s, he re-popularized the concept of the perp walk.
of me, like people won't recognize me. >> so, here is that mugshot. this is what giuliani was so incensed about, being photographed at a county jail and paraded in front of the press like a criminal. which is ironic -- part of what made rudy giuliani a national figure in the first place was his practice of parading people in front of the press like they were criminals. when giuliani was the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york in the 1980s, he re-popularized the concept of the perp walk. giuliani did not invent the practice of allowing the press to photograph interest, but, as a criminal law professor from loyola marymount university put it, mr. giuliani took that practice and made an art form out of it. and giuliani did not always make sure he had his facts right before doing so. >> wall street isn't used to the site of its best and brightest in handcuffs, being arrested or charged with
idealogical. look, he is a shallow, shameless, facile demagogue, which means he is probably going to get a bump in the republican polls. he might be in second place by the end of all of this. but i also thought it was extraordinary how little time they spent talking about the orange elephant not in the room. fox didn't talk about him the first hour. only 11 minutes on the fact that the former president is about to do a perp walk today. it was a mixed bag. i understand the people who are saying, you know, vivek came in hot and stole the spotlight, but i also think you saw his vulnerabilities later on when nikki haley just absolutely eviscerated him. >> rev, the section of donald trump, almost apologetic by the moderators, "we're just going to talk about this for a little bit, then we'll get back to the
while he says and does a lot of other things. >> that's your first point, that he's not in control. he is going to act like he is. he's acting like hugo chavez, but he's not. this is not on his timeline, not his venue, not his lighting i'm sure, unless he carried a ring light with him. this is not produced -- we'll see. tbd. >> nicolle, you played the video of him saying, you know, when people do than arrest, when he's at his rally. you played it on your show. don't be gentle. don't be gentle putting them in the cop car. rough them up. >> isn't that the irony of all this in the law and order party. giuliani who spent years perp walking people in the new york city streets, claiming so incensed yesterday about the fact that he would have to -- that he was going to be part of the ignobility of the perp walk and the mugshot and the party of law and order that is now attacking prosecutors and our system of justice and the party of law and order that, you know, is trying to defund the fbi and