while he says and does a lot of other things. >> that's your first point, that he's not in control. he is going to act like he is. he's acting like hugo chavez, but he's not. this is not on his timeline, not his venue, not his lighting i'm sure, unless he carried a ring light with him. this is not produced -- we'll see. tbd. >> nicolle, you played the video of him saying, you know, when people do than arrest, when he's at his rally. you played it on your show. don't be gentle. don't be gentle putting them in the cop car. rough them up. >> isn't that the irony of all this in the law and order party. giuliani who spent years perp walking people in the new york city streets, claiming so incensed yesterday about the fact that he would have to -- that he was going to be part of the ignobility of the perp walk and the mugshot and the party of law and order that is now attacking prosecutors and our system of justice and the party of law and order that, you know, is trying to defund the fbi and

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