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appropriate. without let's bring in california policies and attorney and the dean of pepperdine university school of public policy. talk about public policy, pete peterson. we are going to have the rich take care of this? i'm going to get an office and have the rich take care of the homeless problem. what is this? >> not only does it reveal that la has a major problem. just last week the city announced that they are half a billion dollars in debt. so this is obviously -- all of the money they've spent is not only overreach but underperformed. the second piece is this is what's known as a housing first approach homelessness and every city where that has been tried, it's all about providing housing without enforcement and treatment around it. you are just putting people that in many cases are broken into houses and not really fixing the problem. >> trace: exactly right. we've heard that again and again. meantime speaking of a shortfall
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