are staring at each other, playing a game of chicken, a rather dangerous game of chicken, particularly if there s a default for a shutdown. it s unclear at the moment how this ultimately gets resolved, kate. when it comes to the debt ceiling, so everyone knows, manu and i unfortunately slept often on capitol hill when it came to debt ceiling fights. republicans have passed the debt ceiling and raised the debt ceiling. they have done this many times before. they did during the trump administration with no fanfare or fight. this when it comes to the debt creeling is all about political messaging but it can become a real problem when it s linked up now with the government funding fight. good to see you, manu. we ll see what happens. coming up for us, police and fbi are now back at a nature reserve in the hunt for petit-troupgabby petito. we ll have the latest next.