to cultivate and maintain positive relations. you do not want to be used as an instrument against the powerful neighbor. so that s, i m not making a pro-vladimir putin argument. what i am saying though is the u.s. national security establishment has sent out a client state an ally out against a very dangerous adversary and that s what we re looking at right now. this continued push against putin on his own borders this is in large part what has led us lehr to this moment. jesse: saying that as a buffer state, you know, ukraine is in between russia, petty powerful and the europeans, also pretty powerful and you want to keep good relations with both of these powerful neighbors who you are squeezed right in the middle of. again, we had the ukraine people involved in the 2016 election and the 2020 election how did