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President. >> from what i recall george was a low level volunteer. he was not a person who was involved with the day to day operations of the campaign or a person who i recall interacting with on a regular basis at all. >> i never heard of papadopoulos. he never showed up at trump tower. never had interaction with campaign leaders. >> collusion in and of itself, what is a violation of law here? >> and as muellers investigation enters its next phase reports surface that there is a secret plan to ...