Page 2 - Phoning Fred News Today

Painstaking investigation, detectives had engineered a face to face meeting between the murder middle man and the suspected master mind. lynns husband, fred. this is where they would attempt to get frank to say something that would incriminate himself. fred was late. had he finally realized they were laying a trap. 7:30, 7:33, 7:35. nothing. if he didnt show, this could all fall apart. then, a signal from the surveillance guy. there he was. >> the guys outside saw him coming, casing the place, m...

John? its our understanding you gave him some money and hes like, i dont know what youre talking about. ive never met any guy named john. >> i come in the room a few minutes later. it was like the look of the century. >> rerealialized youre a cop. yes. just hung his head and he just looked sick. like the whole world came crashing down. >> you could see the look in his eyes like a deer in a headlight and he just started giving it all up. >> coming up. >> she would try to prevent and it that wou...

So much sympathy and so much activity just surrounding it, its unbelievable. >> just as the cops had been hoping, fred and frank talked, but not a word from either one to establish they were involved in a murder. >> we had like 60 plus phone conversations between them. >> youre tapping in them all. >> yes. >> but they just didnt slip up. it was time, the detectives decided, to launch the undercover squad led by chris n knollson. >> i was armed with information now. nick harvey told the homicide ...

She was a sitting target. >> did she understand it was dangerous for her. >> yes, yes. >> yet she went ahead and did it anyway. >> thats how important getting out of that relationship was to her. she was willing to risk her life and she told me that. >> lisa told lynn she should get a restraining order against fred. >> it wouldnt make a dam bit of difference. >> thats what he told you. >> yes. if hes going to kill me, hell kill me. restraining orders wont stop him. >> too late now. of course, bu...

When a few years later after a quarter century of marriage, lynn told him they were splitting and fred moved out of the house in bixby knolls. >> did she change somehow after your father left? >> she seemed freer. she seemed happier. more able to get excited, just really interested in everything and very light hearted. >> but her happiness was short lived. and when mark first heard she was murdered, his mind went to a very dark place. could fred have had something to do with it? but as much as h...

Dare arrest anyone without solid proof. think of a scandal on top of everything else, the prosecution failed. they did find freds business card in harveys wallet. meanwhile, the public was led to believe it was a murder that had phone bad: a murder the cops should have prevented. >> i couldnt go out there and defend my department as much as i wanted to. >> you cant say anything. >> and i cant tell the press. we didnt defend ourselves. if suspects and person presidency of interest are the wups we...

Say well catch everybody who is involved. >> but not say they suspect him. >> they couldnt tell charlie or the rest of the family what they were discovering, afraid that fred would find out. stop talking to them. so charlie stayed at home with his father. his uncle mark was allowed and encouraged to believe fred was not involved. even as the detectives were getting the real story from the hitman, nick harvey. >> do you know who talked to cuban know regarding this. >> yes. >> who did. >> her husb...

>> lets just see if he reaches out to somebody. now hes scared. >> back at the restaurant, frank waited for all clear signal from the detectives and the waiter who frequently served the family, stopped by to reminisce about lynn. >> putting frank in a very uncomfortable spot. >> theres nothing that anyone can say that can -- >> he wasnt able to complete his thought. soon, fred would be having a very different kind of conversation with the police. coming up, what a mess. and fred forgot to clea...

Surprising. >> not only was he talking with nick harvey. he also talked to the husband. >> fred. >> fred, lynns husband of 25 years. on the surface, it didnt make much sense. he had been cooperative with detectives from day one. he had moved out of the family house, but he told them the break was amicable. she was my best friend, he said. and yet not long after the murder, young charlie sought out detective and whispered an awful question. >> did my dad have something to do with this. >> charlie...

If he messed up and got caught. thats him. hes doing the time for you. okay. if hes doing that -- >> its like watching two old married couple arguing back and forth about whose fault it was that dinner was cold or something. >> but, of course, this argument was a deadly serious. >> we need to erase this problem. this is your problem. okay. you have to understand. listen to me. >> no, its not my fault. this is our fault. isnt it. >> i would have to say its more your problem. >> fred was still ver...