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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 06:44:00

murder. if i contact your wife, she s going to tell me this is where you were on sunday? i would hope so. okay. he pretty much answered all the questions that we had. the interview ends. but then maybe two minutes later, there was a knock on her door. and it s james. he came back, and he tells us, i basically need to tell you the truth. the truth? like a confession? well, yes, but not to murder. james lapan owned up to slipping. what was the part you were not forthcoming? jessica and i have slipped. slipped, as is had an affair with number s ex-girlfriend, jessica stillwell. she broke it off pretty quickly because she did not want to be the other person,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:52:00

husband james lapan at a weekly dance class. every single time i came in, he d come sliding up again, and he s like, so, when do i get to throw my name in the hat? and i m like, maybe never, you know? there s the door. go away. but he wouldn t go away? no. serena, a sergeant first class in the army and a self-described alpha female, was happy to have met a man who wasn t a pushover. with james and his strong personality and my strong personality, we were on the same page, and we got things were going amazing. in 2010 at james request, they entered into a covenant marriage. what s a covenant marriage? covenant marriage is recognized before god and state, and quite frankly it s a lot harder to get divorced. less than a year into their marriage, james father died, and serena says something in her husband changed. he became, she said, controlling and

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:43:00

around 9:00 and got up around 5:00 a. m., which would have been an hour after nick s murder. if i contact your wife, she s going to tell me this is where you were on sunday? i would hope so. okay. he pretty much answered all the questions that we had. the interview ends. but then maybe two minutes later, there was a knock on her door. and it s james. he came back, and he tells us, i basically need to tell you the truth. the truth? like a confession? well, yes, but not to murder. james lapan owned up to slipping. what was the part you were not forthcoming? jessica and i have slipped. slipped, as is had an affair with number s ex-girlfriend, jessica stillwell.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:44:00

she broke it off pretty quickly because she did not want to be the other person, and he didn t want to leave his family. now detective garcia had someone knew she wanted to talk with, james lapan s wife, serena. i know he s been, um fell off the marital bandwagon so to speak. serena said james had told her about the affair weeks earlier. they were going through counseling, she said, and working on the marriage. and when detective garcia asked her about the night of nick s murder her statement was exactly the same as james . they hung out together during the day. they went to bed together. they woke up together. yes. so she alibis him. yes. you wouldn t try to be covering up for him for anything? no. okay. if serena was telling the truth, james could not be the killer. as detective garcia pondered that, nick s brothers john kept up his own investigation. he mentioned lapan s name to a childhood friend. remember how tucson can be a big small town? he said,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 09:59:00

she declined to be interviewed. if she committed a murder or played a part in committing a murder, she s getting away with it. we cannot find any evidence. or yeah. she s not guilty? correct. as for serena and james and their covenant marriage, it s over now. they divorced in 2019. but serena still worries about what effect james might still have on her and her children s lives. you ever going to be free of this guy? when god hits his off switch. james lapan will most likely be in prison when that happens. he was sentenced to life. he s filed an appeal. kristy, who says she waited 40 years to meet nick, now faces the rest of her life without him. he ll always be my superman. i ll always love him. that will

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