to kind of tamp down the rhetoric about this basically saying we hold our own destiny in our hands and if our political culture weren t as bad as it is and if the media weren t as bad as it is, we wouldn t be here. you re calling this the political equivalent of 9/11. who is right on this? well, certainly i feel like the president feels a responsibility to have a gracious transition of power. he feels that s his role at the moment. but our role is to recognize that our political system has been hacked by a hostile foreign power and that is a huge issue. it compromises the legitimacy of the presidency coming in. we have a president-elect who lost a citizens election. now we find out a lot of these very narrow votes in key states were influenced by a russian operation, and that is completely unacceptable. so we ve really got to go at this with a lot of vigor. what s missing in the puzzle are
gigantic issue and it deserves massive exploration, declassification, americans need to know the story. we need to understand the full department of it, for example, the new york times has reported that it is not just russia hacking into the presidential election but to also influence congressional elections. a bipartisan independent commission similar to 9/11 is absolutely essential. on that policy ground, the president called for that. dick durbin has been on this program calling to are that. others have as well. you re of the belief that should happen. but i can t help but notice your tone about this is very different than the president s. the president took pains today to kind of tamp down the rhetoric about this basically saying we hold our own destiny in our hands and if our political culture weren t as bad as it is and if the media weren t as bad as it is, we wouldn t be here. you re calling this the political equivalent of 9/11.