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common decency that all of us should share. >> michael, what did you learn about what truth sounding like looking back at bobby kennedy, james baldwin, that we need to hold on to today when there's this assault, true assault, by the white house and the administration on what truth sounds like? >> that's a great point. we've been post-truth for quite a while. 1619 when slaves were brought here to america, or africans as slaves. bobby kennedy was willing to confront the truth, as ugly and as fantastic sometimes as it was. jimmy baldwin, again, was able to face the truth. and together as a white liberal politician and as a progressive black man, they were locked in battle against each other about what the truth was for race in america. bobby kennedy at least was able to evolve. he was able to grow. he understood his flaws and his weaknesses. he was defensive at first, but then he ultimately challenged them. and what i hold on to, lawrence, is the fact that at least this
the white house and the administration on what truth sounds like? >> that's a great point. we've been post-truth for quite a while. 1619 when slaves were brought here to america, or africans as slaves. bobby kennedy was willing to confront the truth, as ugly and as fantastic sometimes as it was. jimmy baldwin, again, was able to face the truth. and together as a white liberal politician and as a progressive black man, they were locked in battle against each other about what the truth was for race in america. bobby kennedy at least was able to evolve. he was able to grow. he understood his flaws and his weaknesses. he was defensive at first, but then he ultimately challenged them. and what i hold on to, lawrence, is the fact that at least this white man and this black man were able to sit down together, not at the table of brotherhood, but certainly at the table of mutual acceptance and the tolerance for a rigorous conversation that was sometimes
the president's reflecting changes in our political culture. the oxford dictionary word of the year for 2016 was post-truth. post-truth is defined as decision-make based on feeling and emotion rather than objective data, and i think we see that broadly throughout our society. i mean, you guys comment on it every night. how could people believe that? political beliefs, political affiliations have now become articles of faith, and it's really hard to unseat a belief with facts if it wasn't based on facts to begin with. >> so what is -- i mean, how do you get back to -- i mean, look, obviously, there's been incredible intelligence failures over the year so there's understanding why there would be skeptics of american intelligence and what the president has said has not helped the confidence in american intelligence or a lot of institutions. what needs to change? >> so that's a point related to an earlier question.
american congress just tunes it out. i don't know that the rest of the world does though, and that makes life hard. >> you also write that the modern intelligence enterprise, which you obviously view as essential to the u.s. now seems at odds with important elements of american life. >> yeah. >> what do you -- we have collectively and we've talked about the administration, but the president's reflecting changes in our political culture. the oxford dictionary word of the year for 2016 was post-truth. post-truth is defind as decision-make based on feeling and emotion rather than objective data, and i think we see that broadly throughout our society. i mean, you guys comment on it every night. how could people believe that? political beliefs, political affiliations have now become articles of faith, and it's really hard to unseat a belief with facts if it wasn't based on facts to begin with. >> so what is -- i mean, how do
women make up 90% of the house and 20% of the senate, and it brings up my next question. where does the united states rank in terms of political empowerment of women? 22nd, 57th, 96th or 112th. my book is called "post truth" from lee mcintire. the author gives us a look at how things should be. the answer is 96th. it is a global report on the
senator tammy duckworth. she's the first sitting u.s. senator to have a child while in office. it brings me to my question. where does the united states rank in terms of political empowerment of women? 22nd, 57th, 96th or 112th? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. my book of the week is "post-truth" by lee mcinspire. the book looks at one of the most disturbing trends of our time, the increased dismissal of intelligence truth and fact. it's a compelling reminder that we should all fight against this dangerous nilistic idea. the answer to my challenge
put your big boy pants on, because you're going have to. >> i want to come back to this idea of constant lying and ask you about the news friday night that the entire -- i think there were half a dozen tweets accusing president obama of tapping his wires. it was the first term that donald trump used. doj found that there was absolutely no evidence that donald trump's wires were tapped. so how do we operate in this post-truth, post-fact world? >> donald trump's greatest failings are moral ones. and they're represented in the lies. he has a constituency that believes every day in whatever binary choice he puts in front of them. then you have a constituency that frankly held their nose. they knew he was a liar. but they supported him to hold on to power. then there's a collection of
he is the vessel of the change they need. and, you know, i think we're in this odd post-truth era. i'll take eisenhower from michael and raise you an fdr, who said on washington's birthday in '42, just as the war was really beginning for america, that the news is going to get worse and worse before it gets better and better, and the american people to have it straight from the shoulder. the american people deserve to have it straight from the shoulder, and we are not getting that by any measure from this white house. >> michael, a last word. are we every day forgetting what we often don't like to remember, and that is how an emergency and exigency can change a presidency, the conversation, and our country in an instant? shoulder, and we are not getting that by any measure from this white house. >> michael, a last word. are we every day forgetting what we often don't like to remember, and that is how an emergency and exigency can change a presidency, the conversation, and our country in an instant? >> that's exactly right, for better and for worse.
president? >> well, as you said a moment ago, the time has become so compressed. you know, the democrats are leading on the generic ballot in the house race, and that's a moment where lawmakers always get nervous. the approval rating is falling. i think to go to michael's point, the great question here is to what extent are facts going to topple the trump myth, which is the relationship he has with, you know, roughly a third, maybe a little bit more than that of the country that believes -- still believes that he is the vessel of the change they need. and, you know, i think we're in this odd post-truth era. i'll take eisenhower from michael and raise you an fdr, who said on washington's birthday in '42, just as the war was really beginning for america, that the news is going