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israeli consulate, was an 18-year-old young woman who was here celebrating the new year with a couple of her friends. they survived but she did not. dozens were injured as well. we're not yet sure whether or not americans are among the wounded. we cannot definitively rule that out as of yet. many are still in the hospital, at least three people are in critical condition. so still trying to confirm whether or not any americans are among the wounded here. >> this is an awful start to the new year. thank you. on the heels of the turkey terror, a new report on isis and its aspirations to launch mass casualty chemical attacks. it comes from the british security minister in a newspaper interview published today. i want to bring in chris dicky and also an msnbc contributor. thanks for being with me once again. while we have no claim of responsibility for the attack in turkey at this point, i want to
ask you about the new interview with the british security minister on chemical weapons. do we even know whether isis, on an operational scale, is capable of that kind of attack on a western target? >> well, i think it certainly would like do something like that. whether it's able to use the kinds of weapons that we usually talk about when we're talking about chemical weapons like nerve gas, i doubt that it's going to have that capability. but if you are talking about, for instance, using chlorine, gas, readily available in a lot of environments, yeah, that's possible. if you use it in a closed environment, it could be deadly and create a lot of casualties. this is something that al qaeda talked about and tried to do for a very long time. it's not surprising that isis wants do it. but there's a scary precedent here which was the arrest of several people in morocco in the last few months who were, indeed, actively trying to create some kind of chemical
weapon for isis. >> you also have the islamic state using mustard gas in an attack on a syrian town last year, august 2015, i should say. i want to ask you about the report that suggests the uk carried out exercises preparing for an attack like that. when you look at intelligence, is there any way to pick up or identify potential chemical attack? are there any sensors that could be used here? >> well, it depends on the chemical. i mean, one of the dangers of a weapon like nerve gas is that it is odorless and colorless. you don't know what's happening to you unless it's happening to you. it's extremely dangerous. something like chlorine gas often is colored. you smell it. it smells like swimming pools. to that extent, it's easier to get away from. it's less dangerous. but all of these things are very dangerous. the mustard gas that isis is believed to use probably is some
it captured at some point from an old syrian arsenal. we believe if it had more effective chemical weapons, it would have used them by now. >> another one of the concerns. back to the nightclub attack, security was reportedly increased in recent days. american intelligence officials warning about an attack in turkey. does this mean that even -- anybody out there, whether in turkey, in other western nations, in the united states, that you are alert, taking precautions, you are still hopeless if someone is committed to carrying out something like this? >> well, it's almost impossible to stop people who are willing to risk their own lives, to die themselves and who are going to hit very soft targets. i mean, this is one of the reasons we think this is an isis attack is because they are willing to slaughter civilians wherever they find them if large groups. we saw it again and again. we have seen it in a lot of different places. whereas for instance, the kurdish groups that might have
been suspected, they have come out and said, it's not us. we don't attack civilians in this fashion. they tend to try and target government officials and the military. which is not to say they aren't terrorists, but it's a different m.o. this looks like an isis operation. there's something also that needs to be understood about this particular fight, which is that turkey has been putting a lot of pressure on isis. it used to almost cooperate, in fact, some people said it did cooperate withisis. now isis feels betrayed. it's going after the turks. particularly in a gruesome incident just before christmas, it released a video of two turkish soldiers that had burned alive. warned that turkey was now the land of jihad. so while we need to fear random violence, it's also to some extent the case that isis telegraphs its blows. it has made it clear it's going to do as much as it can to take
the fight into tury right w. >> something they have seen in the past year withust the past month alone, i believe four attacks, 180 killed in attacks over the past year. in that sense, when we look at all of the past -- this rundown right now, this full screen of the attacks that they have endured in 2016, and we see this one here at a nightclub where there are a lot of foreign nationals. no confirmations of any americans. is that what we expect to continue to see into the new year? >> they are going to try do it. the turks will try to stop them. the turkish intelligence services are pretty good and ruthless. they will pull out a lot of stops in order to keep aid on this kind of terror. clrly, they are concerned. one of the first things the turks do with these kinds of incidents is try and put a lid on the press so people don't know what's going on. there's a wall street journal reporter who was detained for tweeting out images of the soldiers being burned alive.
there was an immediate clamp down on the media in the aftermath of the first few hours after the ghtclub attack you are going to have a situation where there's not only going to be an effort to control the terrorists and stop the terrorists, there's going to be an effort to control the reporting on it. as if that would help. >> very quickly -- >> i think we're in for a difficult time as civilians, as the press, as the military, as intelligence services. i think we're looking at a real covert war that's going to go on for a long time. >> talk about here at home. we saw security amped up at times square, other areas in light of this. whatan we expect as far as what can be learned from this that we can apply here at home? >> well, you know, i wrote a book about the new york city police department's counterterrorism operations there. they are incrediblebly good. most of the american cities have adapted practices that make americans a lot safer. u.s. and especially new york and
washington are always the number one targets of terrorists. if they could hit us, they would. and they would do it again and again. they haven't been able to. they've been stopped again and again. sometimes the police have gotten lucky. sometimes they have been very effective. but it's an ongoing game. the terrorists certainly have to get through once or twice to horrify the nation. even an attack like the one in san bernardino where you had people who went and shot up an office party in an organization they belonged to, all of a sudden that became an isis attack that terrified the nation. so you can't stop all of it. you can say you can, you can say you can try. but ultimately, you cannot. americans are going to have to get hardened to the idea that these kinds of attacks will take place. >> it is a disturbing reality we have now. thank you for being with us. to politics now. president-elect trump rang in the new year at his estate
partying along stallone and fabio. even at a party, he faced questions about cyber security and the russian hack. >> kelly o'donnell is in west palm beach, florida. interesting to hear these commentso and even donald trump saying that he has information about this hack that he is going to withhold until next week. >> reporter: it was interesting because it was not expected that the president-elect would take questions from the mall group of reporters who were assigned to sort of witness the holiday party and get some pictures of
that. but he did take questions. the questions did go to some of the issues we have been covering in the national conversation in recent days. you heard him advocate for the old-fashion courier aroach instead of the electronic age. he also talked about his son's skill at computers, that he knows how to do all kinds of things. the paint you made, he was asked about his confidence or lack thereof in the intelligence assessment that russia is behind the hacking that attempted to affect the election season. he won't go that far yet. we know he has reserved judgment saying that he has no reason to believe that russia was solely responsible and is concerned about the assessment. talked about the fact that he knows some extra things and suggested when asked what are those things that he knows that others do not, he offered up this kind of future prediction that he would reveal it tuesday or wednesday. in the time line, that suggests he means after his intelligence briefing, which is scheduled for tuesday, with som very high level members of the
intelligence community. he also made reference to president obama and talked about the fact that they have had a pretty good working relationship during this transition and indicated they have been in touch. >> reporter: so part of what is notable is that donald trump is willing to speak very forcefully on the issue of israel but on the issue of hacking and russia's involvement there, he has held back. so that's sort of two different ways in which as this transition period unfolds, he is entering sort of the world conversation and the diplomatic conversation in two different ways.
that's interesting to watch. he has proclaimed that after january 20th, his view toward the u.n. and what it has done regarding israel, he would take a different approach. he has a forceful position on israel. of course, you heard him criticize the speech that john kerry gave, which was also critical of israel's settlements which under the obama administration and john kerry's leadership at state, he has felt that that was a deterrent to the two state solution in the hard to achieve attempts at a peace process in that part of the world. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. new outrage on the sunday talk shows this morning. did donald trump's reservation about the hacking.
more reaction today to president-elect trump's stance on russian shan hahacking. this time allegations of malware on a laptop. he raised doubts about intelligence reports. a house democrat is pushing back. here is congressman adam schiff,
ranking member of the intelligence committee. >> how solid is the evidence it was the russians? >> it's very solid. it's overwhelming. the president-elect as you know said that he knows things that other people don't know. he needs to stop talking this way. if he is going to have any credibility as president, he needs to stop talking this way. he needs to stop doing this. they didn't just steal data, they weaponized it. they dumped it with the intent of influencing the outcome. that is not something china has done, frankly russia has done. >> the department of homeland security is backing the vermont utility company's assessment that there's no indication the power grid was penetrated. neither the white house nor russia has commented publically on the code. i want to bring in paul
singer and yamichele. glad you are spending your new year's afternoon with me. paul, i want to start with you. what does trump mean saying we will find out from him tuesday or wednesday? what has he got? >> i have no idea. this is the -- donald trump ran an election campaign based on the notion that government is corrupt, lying to you and inept most of the time. the problem he faces is in about three weeks, it's his government. and now he has to turn around and say, well, the government is no longer lying to you and no longer inept because it's my government. this is a challenge for him. he has denigrated all the institutions that he will have to run and give people confidence in. when you do stuff like this and say, i know stuff you don't know, it leaves the american people thinking, who exactly is in charge? >> interesting you use that word, denigrated. we heard adam say he needs to
stop talking this way if he wants credibility. it seems to have worked for him so far. >> sure. because he's not in charge of anything. all he has had to do is run a campaign. he hasn't had to run an agency. let's see what happens when he has to run these government agencies. >> your take on this, when you see him going to intelligence briefings this week. is there anything that could change? how is ts going to affect that coming into it and especially knowing that this -- so many people want to know what he has to say. >> the question that reporters and people have been asking since the beginning, i would say, of this campaign season, even though it's over now, is that will he become more presidential? we were waiting for him to change his tone and stop tweeting as much and really be more presidential before he won. now that he won, i don't think he is going to start changing and saying that -- and start really making solid claims and using evidence and showing
people right away what he means by the things he is saying. he has gotten away with being vague, with really winning this presidency without really laying out his policies. now he is saying, trust me. i'm going to tell you kind of what i know. i have this secret that no one else has. this, of course, has worked for him. his supporters trusted him. i thin going forward what paul said is going to be very center to his presidency. people trusted him up until a certain point. now if you start saying things like this and you don't follow through -- if he doesn't go on tuesday and wednesday and say this is the evidence, this is why this is different from other parts of the -- of our history, he is going to have a big problem, i think. >> especially when it comes to russia. you have a lot of people watching this. take a listen here to more of congressman schiff this morning and how congress will respond to mr. trump if he tries to undo the current president's actions against russia. let's listen. >> reaction is going to be even more vigorous, i'm convinced, in favor of stronger sanctions
against russia. you will see democrats come together with a strong sanctions pa package. even though what they did was more than symbolic, it is meaningful, it's not enough to deter russia. >> hard le republicans given the hill, how do you see the fight against russia playing out? >> well, we're going to find out this week -- i believe it's thursday john mccain and the armed services committee is planning a hearing on russian hacking with the intelligence officials sitting there in front of them explaining what they know. there has been indications from a lot of republicans that they believe that mr. obama steps on sanctions have been too little and too late. they should have been firmer. it's entirely possible the republican congress want to move very swiftly and very significantly against russia in ways mr. trump has not embraced at all. it will be interesting to see what happens thursday and see what they say, mr. mccain particularly says about hacking and what it did to the elections. >> take away from that press
conference, i guess or just q & a yesterday at the party was his take on computers and what he said. frankly saying they're not safe. if you want to have sensitive material courier? >> i think that's going to be that snail mail situation. but i think the fact that he is saying that you shouldn't use e-mail, you shouldn't use computers at all, that's really problematic. most people who understand the government or most people who understand how information is used and given back and forth to each other understand that the swiftest way if the president might be traveling around the country or might be in another country is to use some form of electronic communication. it's going to be very surprising to a lot of people, journalists who covered donald trump understand how he uses devices and how he uses -- how he
doesn't use computers and how he uses a cell phone. i think it's going to be interesting to people, the american people when they start understanding that the president as of now does not use e-mail. >> you have that scenario. computers aren't safe. then mr. tweet, tweet away, as we have seen. then you have incoming press secretary sean spicer who said this this morning and his lack of news conferences. >> everyoneants to talk about the tweets he sends. would focus on the action that he is getting. donald trump is not president yet and he is getting action, successes and wins both abroad and here at home. >> we're going to see twitter? >> absolutely you are going to see twitter. >> he said that he was going to cut back. >> the fact of the matter is that when he tweets, he gets results. >> are you going to have regular white house press briefings? >> absolutely. some way. some on camera. some will be off. >> help me understand here. essentially, by that sense it's computers equal unsafe. but then again, tweets equals results.
paul. >> well, of course, twitter is a public medium all the time. no one can steal your tweets. honestly, donald trump has a point. >> somebody can hack. we have seen that happen with celebrities. >> someone can hack your account. the fact of the matter is that trump has a point here that any -- particularly once he is in government, anything you say on e-mail becomes a public record that someone can see later. you have seen in some of hillary clinton's e-mails she was saying to colleagues, print this out and bring it to me. because that's how they move some secret information. they do do it on paper sometimes. it's hard to imagine that a guy who runs a multimillion dollar, billion dollar contact doesn't use e-mail. but he doesn't. he does seem to enjoy twitter. go figure. none of us are consistent. >> all we know too well with tweets. we will see what he says tuesday or wednesday when he holds that press conference. to both of you, thank you and happy new year. >> thank you. >> happy new year. what president obama will do
welcome back on this new year's day. at the half hour, here is what we're monitoring. live look at the nightclub in istanbul where a gunman opened fire and killed at least 39 people. the attack happened just after midnight local time. some 600 people were believed to be inside celebrating the new year. right now, the identity of the gunman and his motive remain unknown. bring in retired atf special agent, jim cavanaugh. thanks for joining me. we know they are looking for this gunman. any information. walk me through what might be going on right now. what steps are authorities taking to try to find him? >> they are looking carefully at all this close circuit television video which is available on the web from
various news organizations. i have been looking at that all night asell. i'm skeptical of their claim it's only one gunman. here is why. there's close circuit television video. it's out there publically of a gunman dressed in black, a hood, a black backpack clearly shoots people in the street, a policeman and enters the nightclub firing a rifle. looks like a can a lish any could have rifle. he is clearly a shooter in the nightclub. the closed circuit television footage from inside shows a person dressed in a kriss kringle outfit in white, like a night cap and looks like he may be handling a handgun. the police have said -- now, a person can carry two guns, of course. but the police have said the gunman might have escaped. i just don't believe that we
have a gunman that's doing more changes than a broadway play, that he is running in there all in black with a backpack and rifle, changing to dress as kriss kringle with a handgun, then rechanging to escape. i think that's not really what's going on. it could be, i suppose. but it doesn't seem to fit to me. i think more likely we gotta be looking at there's a confederate inside dressed as kriss kringle with a handgun, coordinating on phone with a gunman with a long gun outside. the attack is coordinated. he comes in shooting. the santa claus starts shooting. the two gunmen are shting. they both escape. they have a lot to report here. that's just one possibility. i don't know. i'm just looking at the footage. maybe the guy is changing. >> let me ask ybout this. we talked about this earlier. it suck me as alarming when you say the nightclub owner had
increased security leading up to new year's. this still happened. we know in istanbul in turkey, government officials had a number of officers out there in areas where the public were. you told me earlier though that it was still inadequate security. the officers were not in the right place at the right time. how can we change that? how can we make sure in the future whether it's in istanbul, whether it's in cleveland, ohio, or any lace in the weplace in t the forces of protect are in the right place at the right time. >> you hit on that earlier. this is not any given night at any given nightclub. this is new year's eve at a well-known very popular nightclub in the city. they thought they had threats. nightclub owner has to lay on security. the police can't secure every private venue. he can ask for help from the police. they can push the security perimeter back a half a block. that guy couldn't have penetrated with the rifle. if they didn't search every bag, someone could have got in with a
handgun like santa klaus here. at least maybe could you have stopped the rifle attack, which is going to be very deadly. if people are stopped half a block away with a rifle, if you start shooting at that perimeter, the police or security at the door can lock the door, shut up and repel them there. you are letting people with rifles backpacks with ammo and maybe bombs penetrate crowded venues. that should have been stopped. security could have been better there. it wasn't any given night. it was new year's eve at a very popular venue in downtown istanbul. >> alarming since we know the past. you hear nightclub, you think of paris 2015, orlando earlier this year, all nightclubs like we see here as well. thank you so much for the perspective. i appreciate it. >> thanks. president obama's visit to capitol hill this weekend, how it could be a key move in protecting his health care law.
president obama and his family will begin traveling back to the white house later today after a vacation in hawaii. a meeting on capitol hill is geared towards preserving the affordable care act. tammy, what can we expect from president obama this week? >> reporter: president obama will be heading to the hill to try and come up with some type of strategy to preserve obamacare. as you know, democrats have already been huddled in strategy sessions trying to figure out how to protect this law that's about seven years old. on wednesday, this joint meeting will happen between the house and senate democrats. obama's big argument is that it really is a danger to repeal the affordable health care act without having something else already in place. it could create chaos within the health care system. as you know, republicans have vowed to get rid of this with the new congress. in fact, they haveeen wanting
to get rid of this all along. they now have the means to do that with donald trump taking office. as you can imagine, this has been a big talk on the sunday talk shows. let's listen to a little of that sound. >> the one thing we can all agree on is that the things that were announced as going to reduce the cost of healthcare universal coverage and so on didn't. we really want to have affordable medicine that we then figure out who pays for. >> i hope that we will come up with the solutions before we try to get rid of something that will impact all americans. >> reporter: the last few weeks of president obama's president will really be dedicated to preserving his legacy and trying to prevent the future president, donald trump, from making any far reaching changes. >> far reaching changes and replacement to be seen.
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with a flop. she started lip syncing when something went wrong. ♪ >> jt walk me down. happy new year. we can't hear but i will get through the motions. all right. >> she stopped. the dancers kept dancing. she said she would let the audience sing. she was a good sport. she took to instagram saying, here is to making more headlines in 2017. parts of the country starting off with sunshine. here is a look at philadelphia which held its annual mummers parade this morning. people bundled up, but they didn't have to bring out snow boots or umbrellas. however, not the case down south
where many are dealing with rain. for the latest we turn to bonnie schneider. a lot of people traveling back home to work or school after the long holiday. >> the wet weather for the first day of the year in the south is causing problems, especially for travellers. the rain in southern georgia, overcast skies in atlanta. then rain back out towards louisiana and into mississippi. we're watching out for the risk for flooding. this is going to occur through the afternoon today into monday. we will see that threat with all the heavy rain and thunderstorms working their way up to georgia. no delays in atlanta. we did have 30 minute delays at the airport a moment ago. seattle, your airport delays are at 33 minutes. you may be wondering, why do we have delays? it's snow. that's right. two inches of snow and snowing in seattle. very unusual. the last time it snowed on new year's day in seattle, 2004. we went back to get that. the snow is coming in.
what we really have a lot of cold air. as that cold drops down, not just the pacific northwest will be impacted but so many other places for this first week of the year into boise. look at the numbers drop down. salt lake city as well. the cold air will actually spread all the way eastward. we will feel it into the rockies and the northern plains. it will be cold enough for snow and a lot of it. look at the advisories posted straight through monday into tuesday. we're expecting a substantial amount of snow accumulating all the way to duluth, minnesota, down through minneapolis where you will see an icy event. heavy snow into north dakota and northern minnesota. winter is here and so is 2017. it looks like it's going to be a very snowy and cold one. >> hope it's a safe one as well for everybody. thank you. still ahead, a well-known television chef is waying in on wh what happened to democrats and the middle of america. that's next. d clot,
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why aren't we talking about the influence -- other influences on the election? why aren't we talking about hillary clinton getting debate questions ahead of time? that's a valid attempt to influence an election. everyone wants to make donald trump admit to certain things. when are we going to talk about the other side, which is what did hillary clinton do to influence the election? is she being punished? >> that is sean spicer hitting back at the idea that russia's election interference was meant to put donald trump over the top. i want to bring in howard dean, former governor of vermont and msnbc contributor and susan delbursio. thanks for being with me. howard, i want to start with you with your response. what stands out most as far as what sean spicer said? >> the interesng thing to me is i think sean spicer is the wrong guy for this job as trump has done many times in his
appointment. he has a history of being a partisan spokesman for the republican national committee. the president's spokesman cannot be partisan. the president's spokesman is there to defend the president, not to attack former opponents of the president. this does not look good. this is not what president's spokes people do. it's nonsense. there's a difference between hillary clinton trying to get an advantage or whatever she might do to try to win the election and making friends with somebody and having them influence the election who is a foreign power whose interests are very different than the united states of america's interests. i will let the comments speak for themselves. it shows to me, i think, another sort of malappointment by trump who doesn't understand what the presidency is about yet. >> what do you think on that? >> i don't think it was necessarily a poor appointment. i think it was a good appointment. as we know, most presidential spokes people come in, have worked on the campaign or the campaign with the
president-elect. that's not unusual. what i am a little surprised about is that we're still talking about what happened. i think that the president-elect's team should not be looking backwards and should only be looking forward. he is the president-elect. come january 20th, he will be the next president of the united states. and that's where they should be looking forward. not backward. >> i want to ask about you that, especially when it comes to the transiti transition. a reporter asked president-elect trump if he felt president obama is trying to undermine him. here is what he said. >> susan, is president obama trying to throw up roadblocks
here for donald trump? >> i don't think that's his intention. from what i understand and even what donald trump said, the staffs are working very well together towards a transition. this is just a unique time where we see the president-elect of the united states and the current president having very different policies and discussing it in the public, which is not what typically happens. >> howard, is that fair play on president obama's part? >> well, he is the president for another 19 days. i actually think trump handled that one fairly well. i think he -- it's important to have a smooth transition. i think president obama recognized that. that's what's in the best interest of the country here. they do have very different views on the behavior of israel and the settlements and so forth. but i think that was well handled by trump. >> when it comes to russia, we have donald trump telling people to move on. you have leaders in his own rty calling for stricter
sations. where does that leave the rank and file republicans? how is that goes to come into play, susan? >> it's a very good question. because you have the republicans coming back, the house and senate, before president trump is inaugurated. they're going to already start hearings on that. mccain said they will. we're going to be looking into the russian hacking scandal. what i think is a little unfortunate is every time we talk about it, donald trump takes it as a question of his legitimacy as the president-elect, which it should not be looked at. we need to look at if the russians were hacking into our systems and looking to disrupt our most sacred thing, our democracy, then we need to investigate and see how that plays out. >> let's shift now from some celebrity apprentice to celebrity chef. this interview, you have anthony bourdain slapped the utter
contempt with which they discuss working class america. what is your take on that? >> you know, i don't talk about cooking and he probably shouldn't talk about politics. let me say one more thing about the hacking though. i'm here in vermont. our little electric utility owned by the city of burlington was hacked by the russians trying to get into the grid. this is not just a matter of politics. this is a serious security problem. it's going to have to be dealt with applaud mccain for doing it. >> i have to ask you, do you have information that they actually were able to get into the grid, it was beyond the laptop? >> no. that was the apparently the attempt was to get through the laptop into the grid. that was not -- as far as we know, that didn't happen. if it had happened, that could be fairly disastrous.
the russians have done that in ukraine and the republican of georgia, which used to be their territories in which they are trying through force to take back. they have affected the grids and have caused blackouts. for them to be able to do that in the united states would be a major security problem. >> susan, i want to look ahead in the spirit of the new year, 2017. what do you think will be the defining issue for president-elect trump's first 100 days in office? >> after the 2016 election, i have learned not to predict anything when it comes to donald trump. >> a lot of us can agree. >> i'm with susan on that one. >> if you read into the tea lives alive leaves, it looks like tax reform and infrastructure will be reversing obamacare will be top priorities. >> how about you, howard? what do you think he will come out and say tuesday and wednesday? >> i have learned not to predict anything he will say. whatever he is going to say tuesday or wednesday will make it to twitter as soon as he thinks of it.
look, we need tax reform. i'm waiting for tax reform to get into the senate where the democrats can actually sit down and have some role in shaping it. weill see what's in it. i'm discouraged by what i hear, which is it will help peopl at the top and not much help for the middle class or the works class people who after all supposedly elected trump. we will see what happens. we do need tax reform. you could do both at the same time. if you strip out all the protections from wall street and add back in a lot of tax ways of making money and things like affordable housing and building roads, you could do this. there's a trump consultant whose report i saw -- whether he pays attention to this i don't know -- which had a good infrastructure plan. who knows what's going to happen. i think we're waiting with baited breath to see what happened january 20th. >> and before that, too. howard and susan, as always, good to start the new year with you. >> thank you. happy new year. >> thank you. happy new year. why they believe kremlin
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union and the president has to go in there. i don't know what the outcome is going to be but if he loses, it will be very bad for republicans. he went on that note, this is what congressman peter king thought about his appeal to voters. >> rank-and-file people, they identify with president trump. he's able to connect with them. he cuts through a lot of the washington talk and strikes a very responsive chord. so he's out there, people may not agree with everything he says, the fact is he is able to connect and it's a ability to have paid >> judge napolitano: i don't like anybody can dispute what congressman king just said. the race is going to be decided not by the base of republicans. >> jessica: , we can't dispute the president's ability to connect when he's having a rall rally. troy balderson is an interesting republican because he has trump in case it can endorse rarely happens. he was on the sunday shows
yesterday and he pointed out actually that balderson didn't even invite him, that trump just said he was coming and then said i guess i should show up at this thing. so he was really going the more moderate route there because columbus is obviously a big liberal bastion there and he is trying to protect the suburbs were a lot of white women actually have been moving away from the president and independents are really where this race is going to be won. but danny o'connor is very similar to connor lam in the pennsylvania special election. medicare for all. >> judge napolitano: pro-life democrat like connor lam? >> jessica: we are all pro-second amendment, just for responsible. to be what i don't want to get off topic. >> dagen: this car just drove in a ditch. >> melissa: it is wonderful deniability to say i didn't even invite president trent, he just showed up. that would make moderates feel good while those who support president trump would love to have president trump there. maybe there threading the needle
>> dagen: pelosi puppet, genius way to try to label danny o'connor, whoever he is. because with connor lam, connor lam smartly distance himself from nancy pelosi because again it comes down to the numbers. and i pushed back, i don't think in a special election in a relatively wealthy district in ohio has anything to do with the way people will vote in southern virginia or north carolina or any of these other areas. it is all about ask somebody in two weeks to won that special election in ohio. it is and about how people feel at home, particularly is not about independence, it's about women. it's about how women and mothers eating at home feel about their pocketbook, feel about their family finances. >> kennedy: i want to ask you something about that really quick because i think you're right and that's what it boils down to you but where does the president put his weight? does he continue to talk to the base and get them excited because it's a very different
strategy than trying to go for some of those independent voters and some of those educated suburban women. >> dagen: is not the talk, it's a walk and hence the policies and what they've actually produced in terms of economic growth in this country. i can go through all the numbers. job growth on average this year every month is at a faster pace than it was last year. so it is about how people feel and is the numbers they're putting up. and i will say this, lee carter who works for me did some testing and said enthusiasm has gained among republicans in the last month but also independents are maintaining support because of many of trump's policies. >> judge napolitano: shows up uninvited and loses come he's going to feel the sting. >> melissa: he never feels the sting. >> jessica: the republicans will file for him. >> dagen: is going to turn around and say nancy pelosi in every single democrat in
washington, you know that tax cut that almost everybody in his country has felt? they didn't vote for it. so they don't get credit for it. what are they going to do, raise your taxes if you put them in n the house? >> jessica: a few points there, i believe nationally speaking the independents are actually starting to move away from republicans towards democrats. they are part of that enthusiasm gap that is shifting and danny o'connor has been adamantly against nancy pelosi. if you look at his twitter bio, it actually says we need a new generation of leadership. he is following the connor lam thing there. he was pushed and pushed about whether he would support your leadership again. >> kennedy: is at the very loud progressives going to talk about later in the show could generate so much enthusiasm but the unintended consequences of
their policies will lead the country. >> dagen: all republicans are toothless smelly people at walmart. >> kennedy: the trump administration at midnight tonight re-imposing the first stage of an economic sanctions against iran after president trump pulled out of the nuclear ligament stop back calling at the worst agreement ever negotiated. ambassador john bolton see me already seeing u.s. pressure impacting iran's economy and regime. watch. >> we've already seen some of the implications, the pressure on the iranian economy is significant, the value of its currency is going through the floor, we have seen public reporting of massive flights of capital out of iran, the elites are getting nervous, we continue to see demonstrations and riots in cities and towns all around. >> kennedy: the president this weekend saying the ball is in iran's court waiting "i read in this economy is going very bad
and fast. i will meet or not me. it doesn't matter, it's up to them. meantime the european union and u.s. allies great britain france and germany announcing what they call a blocking statute to take effect tuesday. that would protect european firms continue to do business with iran. so what do we do here? are there sanctions you can impose that make a difference and bring iran back to the table to renegotiate his deal or do you let western europe run all over the country? >> judge napolitano: as it was about the best you're going to get at the time under barack obama. i don't think what we are going to get that's better short of any violence. i don't know anyone that really wants to violence. this was an executive agreement between the president of the united states and the leaders of iran, this was not a treaty ratified by the senate. therefore, though i may disagree with president trent, he has every lawful and constitutional rights to aggregated but he's got to face the consequences.
it's divisive in the e.u., the e.u. as you just pointed out is going to protect the businesses that continue to do business with iran, i don't know how they're going to do that protection, knowing donald trump is going to retaliate against countries that permit their companies to do business. >> melissa: i don't think that he wants a balance. what we are seeing is a regime change, that they're being squeezed so tightly economically and we are not hearing a lot about the riots in the various things that the only other way to battle back other than an agreement is to put so much economic pressure that the death grip on their own population is overthrown. >> kennedy: is interesting because it's so tough with a theocracy. how do you do that? the last thing americans want is regime change in the middle east. we don't want another protracted war, we don't want more death, a thriving economy is fine. that benefits everyone. but how on earth do you
encourage that sort of an up rising so they overthrow that horrific system? >> melissa: for sure obviously, but if you look at saudi arabia on the next generation of leaders that have come in, obviously they have a million miles to go in that country but it is a population where 70% of the population is under 30 and they are looking for a more modern way forward just because they realize. >> kennedy: is a generational shift. >> dagen: the messaging coming out of secretary of state mike pompeo has been brilliant. if you listen to that speech he gave at the reagan library in late july, he painted the iranian leadership as mobsters. has a bunch of members of the mafia. the money that iran got because of the iran nuclear deal was directed to terrorist dictators and militia rather than the welfare of ordinary iranians. mike pompeo said the united states hears you talking about the iranian people who are dealing with soaring
unemployment and soaring inflation, the united states supports you, the united states is with you. in the protest we've seen, they are not against the united states. they are against the iranian leader and what is happening within that country. >> kennedy: they want what everyone else wants. they want flexibility, they want to take care of their kids. >> judge napolitano: we should not have laws in this country that permit the president of the united states alone without an authorization from the congress to ship $400 million in cash to the iranian dictators. mike pompeo is rate, what barack obama did was lawful, it shouldn't have been lawful. >> kennedy: that was not something that was ratified by the senate, you can think president obama for that. >> jessica: thank you, president obama for that. >> kennedy: don't complain about the consequences from president trump acting lead unilaterally. >> jessica: i was just doing that to make you happy. we are in an awful mess here. i do agree with the judge that the deal was the best we are going to get at the time. i am hopeful that we can get a
better deal and that the economic and is often how we get to a better place because people just measures things based on their pocketbooks and that's true of europe and is going to be true of a place like iran as well. in terms of another uprising, you are seeing a little bit of the same vibe that we had prearab spring, the young people out they were agitated. we are working to make sure they have a free internet for instance. that is one of the most important things that we can do. it goes in and out obviously with how much they allow and what they cut off. >> dagen: i want to answer one thing that the judge said. as evidence that the real world never saw this iran deal would stand, american companies for the most part did not start breaking deals in doing busines business, erupt, they just dove in headfirst we have incredible
energy production here, strategic petroleum reserve that has 650 million barrels, and then also cutting out access to the swift financial work, a messaging system that facilitates financial transactions around the world, you caught iran off, you cut them off from the outside. >> kennedy: also, it will be u.s. technology and the free market. president trump continues to ramp up his feud with the so-called fake news as several reporters raise alarms over his rhetoric. but the white house defending his criticism saying it's the media that's been launching this attack. we will debate. plus, we could be just days away from learning if trump will agree to an interview with special counsel robert mueller. what will happen? >> i'm comfortable in saying this, if there was strong evidence of collusion, i guarantee it would have been leaked by now but let's wait for the process to play itself out.
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decide to sit for an interview with mueller's team against the advice of lawyers, watch. >> at the end of the day come he's the president he gets to make that decision. we are going to give our advice. but if you get a subpoena, you file what's called a motion, it would go to the district court and the court of appeals and in the supreme court of united states and from the supreme court, goes back down to the lower courts again. so if the special counsel makes a determination and gets the authority, they have to have the authority to seek that subpoena, a subpoena for live testimony has never been tested in court as to a president of the united states. >> melissa: meantime, republicans editor marco rubio says it appears that mueller has nothing when it comes to finding collusion between president trump's campaign end. watch. >> i believe it is in the best interest of the president and of the united states of america and the american people for that investigation to run the course for all the truth to come out and the best thing that can happen for him in the best thing that can happen for the country.
obviously, he is annoyed by that investigation continuing to go on because it's about him. and he believes and has said repeatedly and emphatically that he did not collude with the russians. i'm limited in what i can say because a son is still doing our investigation but i'm comfortable in saying this. if there was evidence of collusion, i guarantee you it would have been leaked by now. let's wait for the process to play itself out. >> melissa: house until democrat adam schiff says there is evidence of collusion and the president continues to cast doubt on whether russia meddled in the election. >> the biggest thing the president could do was confront moscow, establish some kind of deterrence but instead exactly the opposite messages being being sent and that is and i think this was delivered in helsinki, as long as the russians interfere on donald trump's side and the midterms, vladimir putin can count on the president to never call him out. and that leaves us all to vulnerable. if >> melissa: the president's
lawyer rudy giuliani's as a final decision on a mueller interview is likely by this sunday. i know we had this new tweet from the president over the weekend talking about the fact that the meeting was about that they have dirt on the opposition. i'm confused because the democrats paid a foreign government or foreign entity. >> judge napolitano: your confused because they were investigating the wrong side. >> melissa: i'm confused what is or isn't legal. >> judge napolitano: there is no such a lot and there is no such word in the law as collusion, that's a hollywood and media term. the legal term is conspiracy. at the trump campaign and the russians work together, but was there an agreement to work together? the crime is the agreement. whether the agreement was put into place or not. that's what bob mueller is looking for. >> melissa: 's are paying for the dossier, that's an agreement. >> judge napolitano: except that he's not investigating that, he's investigating whether
or not the people from the trump campaign entered into an agreement to receive dirt from hillary, whether the dirt was received or not. the crime if there were a crime is receiving anything of value from a foreign person entity or government. if there is an agreement to do that, the dossier was prepared by a person looking for a law firm hired by hillary clinton. >> kennedy: you're basically just wandering guilt at that point. >> judge napolitano: you may argue and i've argued that unsuccessfully in agreement that ends up not being carried out shouldn't be a crime but it is. it's the prosecutor's favorite crime, it's called conspiracy. it's the easiest to prove, all you need to know is who agreed that one of them took a step further. >> melissa: if you hire someone to kill someone, that the crime even if they aren't successful. >> judge napolitano: two people hire someone to kill someone whether that killing takes place or not, they can be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit murder even know there
was no murder. the reason he so looks upset is that he told bob mueller of the meeting with the russians was about russian adoptions and the lawyers made misrepresentations like that, than other lawyers stop believing them. he said this is what i was told by my client at the time. and his client, the president initially said it was about adoptions over the weekend. he acknowledged what it was truly about which was whether or not they're going to get dirt from hillary. the president was also worried about his son because his son testified under oath that this was not about dirt from hillary and that his father didn't know about it and there appears to be a difference. >> dagen: from the outside looking in, doesn't it look like increasingly the mueller team is setting a trap for the president if he decides to speak with the them. so potentially listening to the advice of you on this sofa regularly and his own attorneys, how in the world could he ever cooperate and sit down with mueller for an interview knowing
that if you tell one lie, he will move to file charges? >> jessica: he could not tell a lie, that's always been an option here. the president had nothing to do with the statement originally on air force one, he absolutely did an hope hicks was back on air force one this weekend which seems like a very odd timing at the two became out in the morning. don jr. said the wrong reason that the meeting happened in the first place, you have michael cohen who knows how many more tapes are going to come out for him saying actually, there were more people in the room. >> dagen: is more insidious than that. you never know what mueller has on you. despite all the prep work that his attorneys do with him and another thing is it would seem like the president wants to sit down to get this out of the way, but we don't know how far he is into this. >> kennedy: i understand the president is incredibly emphatic about his innocence. i think that he should sit down, i think that he should -- i'm sure there will be parameters. and i think he should dare them
to impeach him because even if there is a democratic majority in the house and that's the avenue they go down, is never to be impeached. but it is almost an insurance policy that guarantees his reelection because he will and is the only scenario where he cast himself as a victim. he did the right thing politically, he sat down, he answered the questions and if he is charged with the procedural crime in essence is somehow robert mueller telling congress go ahead and impeach him. >> jessica: i think the president should do whatever he can to make it clear that he was not involved. i believe that he wasn't, the people around him are the ones that were, that don jr. and jared kushner, et cetera. his lawyers are holding him back a little bit. >> dagen: it so much more fun, the tweeting. if you sit down with the interview, he is going to leak everything he says and tweeting as soon as he walks out of the
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mayor bill de blasio all urging for more progressive agenda to take back the white house. senator warren who previously said she would not run in 2020 saying the president is the reason she may change her mind. >> it won't be easy. we are going to have to fight uphill. but me, i'm going up that hill and i hope you are too. and i hope that when you do, you reach your hand out and bring someone else along for the clim climb. >> kennedy: very good, we are all going to everest. meanwhile, listen to this from new york gubernatorial candidate cynthia nixon continuing her approach to make socialism more mainstream in the party. >> i am proud to be one of a small but growing number of candidates who identify as a democratic socialist. the establishment is terrified of that word. socialism. republicans are going to call a socialist no matter what we do, so we might as well give them the real thing.
>> kennedy: you're never going to hear that conversation. i agree, i absolutely agree with her in that. if you're really going to teach people in this country about socialism, you should give them the real thing. so cynthia nixon should take a plane lives of people down to venezuela and see how they exist for two weeks. >> >> judge napolitano: i don't think this is the future of the democratic party, looking at my dear friend jessica, i think the future is the connor lamb and danny o'connor and the moderate democrats because this hard left stuff will do to the democrats what and this was my baptism into politics what barry goldwater's conservatism did in 1964 the republicans. make them the minority party like ronald reagan comes along and makes the word conservatism respectable. i don't think socialism can ever be respectable because of its inherent defects of stealing from k to give to b.
this is bad politics. >> melissa: i don't think they are familiar enough with socialism that in a vacuum it sounds like a good thing. all you have to do is work as a waitress at a restaurant and a place where you pull tips and you work really hard and somebody else doesn't work hard and you pull the tips and all of a sudden you're both staying there with the same amount of money and young people understand why socialism doesn't work. i'll add one more onto that. the people making a lot of money stop putting all their money in. this happened in a restaurant i worked at, anyone who has worked as a waitress knows that the kind of thing does not work but inherently, there are some thing now in young people that sounds noble and heroic about socialis socialism. they have forgotten the real lesson. >> kennedy: the economic consequences, if this country really does get into the socialist experiment and feared at some point, they're going to, what happens to the economy or things like universal basic income and medicare for all? >> dagen: it goes down the
toilet, everyone should just move to new york city and see how far your tax dollars go. you get and in the streets and pot holes the size of rhode island, that's what your money gets even a place like new york. and i'll just point out, it would be lovely if the democrats knew some basic math. in terms of medicare for all, great slogan, great message. we found out last week, a couple of weeks ago, it costs $33 trillion in the first ten years and medicare to put that in perspective, you would have to double what the government collects in taxes from individuals and corporations in this country and it still would not be enough to cover it. you know it's going to happen in eight years? the medicare hospital trust fund goes bankrupt. it runs out of money and they're going to be able to pay that $0.90 on the dollar, there's going to be an immediate benefit cut to anybody on medicare and not one jerk in washington. >> kennedy: it's interesting because they were to think tanks that did the cost benefit
analysis of this and bernie sanders office, fox news reached out to bernie sanders office and they hadn't run the numbers, they don't know what it's going to cost. >> jessica: you listen to alexandria ocasio-cortez give quite a infamous interview with trevor know on the daily show which certainly the friendliest of audiences that you might have in terms of talking about this. she did not. and i get it, she's young and she is learning and i would encourage all young people to get involved in politics, i think it's an exciting thing to do. but if you're going toe-to-toe with people who are all about the numbers, you have to have the numbers, i'm personally not a member of the medicare for all caucus, the moderates you name are not as well. we have seen a shift left and you have people that kamala harris now who is in that caucus but also when you hear her speak quite moderate and a lot of the things happening nationwide, almost sounds like hillary clinton or for public-private partnerships like the experiment we had in vermont where there is always going to
be a public option but we still keep private health care providers. >> kennedy: they abandon their socialist health care push and bernie sanders homestay. >> dagen: the slogan for these should be we make better decisions with your money than you do. >> judge napolitano: i want to see a response to this, ocasio-cortez go up against. >> dagen: i don't have the unemployment rate is going. just politically speaking. >> kennedy: president trump not letting up on what he calls fake news, the latest from the president and the white house comes to his defense of her concerns that his remarks are out of line. we will debate next. you see clear skin. you see me. but if you saw me before cosentyx... ♪ i was covered. it was awful.
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president tweeting "the fake news hates me, saying they are the enemy of the people only because they know it's true. i am providing a great service by explaining this to the american people. they purposely cause great division and distrust. they can also cause war. they are very dangerous and sick." counsel to the president kellyanne conway defending the president's remarks saying he is targeting reporters and media outlets that don't tell the truth. watch. >> that i think the president's entire point is this. we do have a news media that includes some reporters, so this should not be a broad brush by any statement. i said that before, his daughter said last week and i know he believes is not all. that's why he said he really refers to those who aren't always telling the truth and are giving a motion over information, talking more about their own egos then giving everyman interviews. >> dagen: "new york times" columnist bret stephens warns the president's attack on nonmedia could to violence.
stevens writing this. "maybe trump thinks that most journalists with their relentless hostility to his personality and politics which they deserve public scorn. what should be clear is this. we are approaching a day when blood on the news room floor will be blood on the president's hands. candy, how over-the-top is this and why isn't there more outrage at that kind of comment? >> kennedy: i think both sides are overheated and misguided, but that sort of his story it is actually very dangerous because you're almost goading people into violence. and i think journalists have to do an examination and say what is journalism, what are the questions we are supposed to ask, how do we seek the truth objectively and how to be called truth to power? is a critical function of the press in this country. he has to accept that he will be challenged and i understand that he is frustrated because there was such an overwhelming amount of negative coverage from the media but given that, he also
has a callout media sources that he thinks are doing a great job and you don't always have to agree with the president. it's actually okay to be skeptical. >> dagen: so many people judge on tv, the every day that they love being upset and outraged, i call it manufactured outrage. and its asymmetric rage, is not symmetrical with what was actually said very often or what is actually happened in this country. but they love it because they love being the center of attention and they enjoy not really doing any policy work and research, and they can just be lazy and say whatever comes to their mind. >> judge napolitano: i'm going to agree with both kennedy and brett stevens, it is a duty to challenge the government under the law and thanks to some wonderful interpretations of the first amendment, the press, the media is the eyes and ears of the public, they have the right to dig, they have the right to knock on doors, they have the right to ask whatever questions you want. if you read the columns, the excerpt that we cited from brett
stevens, he talks about threats that he received. >> melissa: but he received those threats after he said perhaps the reason trump voters are so frequently the subject of caricature as they so frequently conform to types. it started with him insulting people who support the president which is where a lot of these things go off the rails. >> judge napolitano: his argument is if the president gives cover to the threats by his own verbiage, that's wrong. >> melissa: of course, it's true. but brett stevens started by insulting the people who support the president, that's not helpful either, none of these things are good. >> jessica: your insults should be pointed i would say. if you have this with the specific group, go after them on policy, go after them on things if they actually believe her they have done. there's also a caricature of what a lefty looks like. and that gets used in mainstream media all the time as well, that we are all out there screaming abolish ice, and we are not. we were sitting amongst you
talking about moderate proposals, but the idea that brett stevens could be as big of a factor in this is the president of the united states of america i think is really unfair here. >> melissa: who said that? >> jessica: to be having a conversation about them in equal measure and say this and that. >> kennedy: you're taking one specific example and taking it apart and pointing out the flaw flaws. i think that's a reasonable thing to do. >> jessica: because this column is started off by insulting his group that if anything is warranted. >> melissa: no one said that. that is for sure not the case at the president in no way should be tweeting these things, that that doesn't make sense but it's important to note that it wasn't in response to you are saying drilling down on the facts of the matter, this started with someone insulting in an opinion piece the people who voted for the president. >> judge napolitano: that
doesn't justify threatening him. >> melissa: it doesn't but it's also bad behavior. everybody needs to stop with all of this. >> jessica: you saw chris wallace push back on this yesterday on fox news sunday, what war have we started? i would just go back to it, i'm sorry i completed what you said they're in anyway i didn't mean to. but you have the president of the united states of america, the most powerful person in the world harming in irreparable ways. >> dagen: words don't cut, they don't cut, they cut the fragile ego of some journalists that i happen to know here in new york city and he is merely touching on how the american people feel about journalists. my parents always hated hearing appomattox on national television, nobody ever bothered to figure out how to say it correctly. so is not something created by the president. he is merely expressing how the
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>> the republican stopped president obama's nomination of eric garland to the supreme court a couple of years ago, so the democrats are going to try procedurally to stop cavanagh from coming up for a vote because they are hoping that more democrats will be elected in this november's election. if it comes to the vote before then, my guess is that most or all republicans hold for judge kavanaugh on a couple of democrats particularly those in moderate states who are moderates themselves will vote for him. >> kennedy: so let's discuss, what is the right thing for democrats to do given they have a lot of resistance, what should they be after? >> judge napolitano: here's the issue, those that are rejoicing that the democrats are finally willing to meet with judge need to know they're not doing this because of a vote for him, they're doing this because they want to press him personally for his documents in his papers. which are in the national archives. you talk about a million and a half pages of documents that he
prepared when he worked in the bush white house on things like torture, rendition, surveillance, forget about the fourth amendment. now when elena kagan currently on the supreme court was nominated by barack obama and the republicans asked for her papers when she worked in the obama white house, the obama white house surrounded them. >> melissa: but she was a legal counsel and i thought he was staff secretary. >> judge napolitano: there's not any difference. the point is that he was still giving advice to the president of the united states on issues that he may have to rule on now. i think it is fair game. can you imagine rand paul's reaction, already come out in favor of judge kavanaugh if he sees memos that george w. bush in favor of torture? >> melissa: he was organizing paper from other executive branch is, he wasn't giving legal advice in that capacity. >> kennedy: is a you say is not fair game. >> judge napolitano: we don't know that until we see the documents and if they keep the documents from our view, we want no.
>> kennedy: if you like they're hiding something. >> jessica: there are always little clues in this, we saw a report they are looking at judge kavanaugh's wife's emails. i'm saying that's where we are in this conversation, so even if they are getting papers that are just staff papers shuffling around, they need to be looking for clues in there that can indicate they feel about issues that may become the united states. >> kennedy: with all of this and the gamesmanship, will cavanaugh be confirmed? >> dagen: yes, because there is pressure on joe manchin, joe donnelly in indiana and heidi heitkamp who voted for. >> kennedy: will they do it before the midterm? >> dagen: absolutely, it is a winner for the base. speak to the democrats do not have the numbers. joe lieberman was right, the republicans started this by not even considering merrick garland. but they don't have the numbers to block judge kavanaugh. b5 but was he borked? >> judge napolitano: he wasn't even considered. don't get me going on borked. >> kennedy: we have more "outnumbered" and just a moment,
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