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That was just a pretext. turns 0 ut there was something big there that they discovered. >> so, charlie, dysfunction is one thing. could you explain the tenure of charles reddick, a california tax lawyer donald trump appointed to head the irs who recently left the position. maybe it was forced out of the position. whatever. but could you explain his role, his potential role in this, if any? >> so we dont know. we talked last night to the commissioner of the irs in 2017, who was returning the agen...

Mark, ill get to you in a second. go ahead, elie. >> im sorry. >> heres the problem, i think its a legitimate point and legitimate problem to point out that donald trumps taxes were not audited as they should have been during his first two years in the office. the disconnect is why would congress need to see donald trumps individual tax returns, his specific assets, his specific liabilities in order to figure that out and in order to legislate around it. it goes back to fairly flimsy pretext tha...

It was never about being factual but adding to the layer cake of lies so a pence might be pressured into using it as a pretext. thats important too because theyve laid out thats why it was elector fraud. fraud is not about convincing, its just about tricking. >> they needed to set the stage so that pence could say, im not counting these electors, theyre going to go back to the legislatures or ill count these different electors because the legislature just called me and told me to count these ins...

The precedent it sets. _ returns published. i do wonder about the precedent it sets. i— returns published. i do wonder about the precedent it sets. i know- the precedent it sets. i know presidents _ the precedent it sets. i know presidents have _ the precedent it sets. i know presidents have historically. presidents have historically released _ presidents have historically released their— presidents have historically released their tax - presidents have historically released their tax return...

These states. and trump campaign election lawyers realized that the fake slates were unjustifiable on tpheuf grounds and may be unlawful. in spite of these concerns and the concerns of individuals in the white house counsels office, president trump and others proceeded with this plan. the select committee developed evidence that these intentionally false documents were transmitted to multiple officers of the federal government and were intended to interfere with the proper conduct of the joint s...

Evidence that these intentionally false documents were transmitted to multiple offices of the federal government and were intending to interfere with the proper conduct of thejoint session. with the joint session. with the existence of competing slates of electors to serve as a pretext for it legitimate electoral vote to be rejected. president trump repeatedly attacked local and state officials who refused to do his bidding. as well as local election workers who he basically accused of fraud. as...

December 14th. at the same time, the actual electors in those states were meeting to cast their votes for president biden. by that point in time, the election litigation was over in all or nearly all of these states and trump election lawyers realized that the fake slates were unjustifiable on any grounds and may be unlawful. in spite of these concerns and the concerns of individuals in the white house counsels office president trump and others proceeded with this plan. the subcommittee has deve...

Office, president trump and others proceeded with this plan. the select committee has developed evidence these intentionally false documents were transmitted to multiple officers of the federal government, and were intended to interfere with the proper conduct of the joint session, the existence of so-called competing slates of electors would serve as a pretext for legitimate electoral votes to be rejected. president trump repeatedly attacked state and local officials who refused to do his biddi...

0 very place we know for sure was right here, fascinating. a lot of people have told the life of jesus, its a humbling and audacious task, this is different because we took you there. >> thanks for everybody watching. stay for special coverage of the january 6th select committee meeting right now. >> sandra: special coverage of the january 6th committee proceedings. in just moments the panel will announce criminal referrals to the justice department for prosecution during what is expected to be ...

0 testimony from people we have not heard from before. it doesnt mean the justice department wasnt. but there was some evidence until they started -- remember, they started a year ago july >> thats right. >> long before justice was engaged january 6th. >> and we know they have spoken to more than a thousand witnesses. we dont know what the just department has said and done. they dont present it in the way congress does. its very likely. and andrew made this point earlier, that the committee star...