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Anything specifically wrong about that final renewal or specifically about rod rosensteins role on signing off on it but as long as you dont bother reading it and watch fox news to count on them to tell you what is in there, its clear what that memo was designed to do is set up rod rosenstein to be fired. as they prepare to release the memo, they were able to report based on multiple sources that was the white house strategy behind taking this extraordinary and unprecedented step to declassified...

Unlike the nunes memo, we have 38 footnotes, so, when we make an allegation, can you look at the footnote and you can look up, in my cases, where the notion comes from. no, the idea that somehow the democratic memo is puts sources and methods at risk after whats happened, that would be simply a pretext to take things out that would, look, this memo is a refewation of the nunes memo. i will be astonished, it may happen, ill be astonished if the trump administration does something that its never d...

As the department of justice. >> so what do you think the motive is? were talking about chuck grassley, lindsey graham. what do they want? >> im concerned because there is a growing campaign to discredit our law enforcement. agencies like the fbi. i would hate to think that this action is part of that effort which may also involve a pretext to fire rod rosenstein, and to come back to your question about the judiciary committee. >> you know chuck grassley well and you know lindsey graham well. yo...

Perjury. thats any normal lawyer would say that. in this case, and i dont know where the case is going, if it is going to obstruction of justice as opposed to collusion, the legal strategy would be, okay, lets keep the line of communication open with mueller and his team and leave out that the president would do that. >> so there is been a huge chorus of people on the presidents team and the media saying that he should use the nunes memo as a pretext for firing rod rosenstein, the deputy attorne...

Avlon. david, first to you, one could look a the last few weeks as a pretext not to do an interview with the special counsel. the white house obviously making a legal decision here and a political decision that they dont lose politically by fighting this fight. explain. >> well, i think the president has at all turns resisted this investigation, tried to delegitimize the investigation. he has said he wants to talk to the special prosecutor, but i think hes in a position now where he thinks hes m...

>> 35% of the people would agree with that instantly. i think that is a very good possibility. in fact, i think that could even be a pretext for him taking the fifth. this is a witch hunt. theyre out to get me. im not going to give them anything. and that -- the advantage of taking the fifth is that it ends an illegal fight. theres nothing you can go to court and force someone to not take the fifth. >> lets take a quick break. were going to continue this discussion. also later on in the program,...

Claim of executive simply will not withstand a challenge based on a specific need for evidence in a criminal case, like this one. and the fifth amendment defense may be in some sense viable, but it will lead to the potential for charges, at least in a report against him. >> let me ask you one more question. because theres reporting that the white house says that lawyers are in favor of appointing a second special counsel, which seems in some ways a means of sort of curtailing and reining in robe...

One. and the fifth amendment defense may be in some sense viable, but it will lead to the potential for charges, at least in a report against him. >> let me ask you one more question. because theres reporting that the white house says that lawyers are in favor of appointing a second special counsel, which seems in some ways a means of sort of curtailing and reining in robert mueller without firing him. what do you think of that idea? how realistic do you think that is? >> the great danger here, ...

He wants to shut it down. i think the reason is it is is distracting his presidency. or hes scared of what they will find. he is using it as a pretext for laying the groundwork to rally people -- the tweet you read is very important. he said its a witch-hunt. what do you do about witch hunts? you dont say, hey, this is a little unfair because this isnt properly sourced. you say witch hunts should be stopped. the other part said senior levels, doj, fbi are out to get me or illegitimate. i cant re...

Of a sudden someone that republicans care so deeply about after they run him down for a year and a half. just listen to what people have said about carter page. >> carter page is an individual who the president-elect does not know. >> hes not part of our national security briefings that we do now at all. >> to the best of my recollection, i dont know carter page. to the best of my knowledge, carter page never had a donald trump adopt coupdotcom e-mail a. >> i dont think ive ever met him. >> what...