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Disperse them, to create the scenes were seeing right now in downtown cairo where there are still running battles and pushing and shoving between stone-throwers on both sides. then the government would have the excuse or the pretext to try and restore law and order. it would have to move in and once again send in the riot police in order to prevent chaos. that is what the people here think, that this is a pretext, this is a deliberate provocation so mubarak can crack down. >> richard engel, than...

Evidence, hes got the stuff and thats why we have to go to war. the war was sold the world really not just because he was a bad guy but because he had these weapons and wouldnt use them. they didnt turn up. those weapons have never appeared. do you regret now using the weapons of mass destruction as a pretext to war. >> the fact is what you know today may affect what you do tomorrow and not at what you did yesterday and at that time, all of the intelligence said he was acquiring weapons of mass ...

>> the obvious question, colin powell went further, heres the evidence, hes got the stuff and thats why we have to go to war. the war was sold the world really, not just on the fact that saddam was a bad guy, but because he had these weapons and would use them. they didnt turn up. those weapons have never appeared. do you regret now using the weapons of mass destruction as a pretext to war. >> the fact is what you know today may affect what you do tomorrow and not at what you did yesterday and a...

Of the intelligence said he was acquiring weapons of mass destruction again. this is someone who had used them before. this wasnt a theory it call possibility. >> tin tell jens turned out to be wrong. >> yes. >> you dont dispute that. >> i dont dispute he didnt have stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. he certainly had front companies that were trying to acquire all kinds of pieces. the weapons of mass destruction were not as mature as we were led to believe. no, i dont regret that we went...

To war against him because we could be sitting here today, piers, having a discussion about the race for a knew clear weapon between saddam husseins iraq and iran. >> you wouldnt have gone to war using wmd as a pretext or would you? >> no. i think the mistake -- and this was a mistake -- was to put a spotlight simply on the weapons of mass destruction. i remember saying to some senators when i was briefing them, the russians have 10,000 times more wmd than iraq has, but i dont worry on a daily b...

Or as we believed. >> let me ask you this -- >> no, i dont regret that we went to war against him because we could be sitting here today, piers, having a discussion about ed race for a nuclear weapon between saddam husseins iraq and ahmadinejads iran. >> with all the knowledge you have, you wouldnt have gone to war using the wmd as a pretext as you had, would you? >> no. i think the mistake -- and this was a mistake -- was to put a spotlight simply on the weapons of mass destruction. i remember ...

To watch a piece of video, which is you just before the iraq war. >> we know that he is acquiring weapons of mass destruction, that he has this extreme animus against the united states, and what we will not wait for is that particular nexus of terrorism that is harmless to the united states. >> the obvious question, colin powell went further, heres the evidence, hes got the stuff and thats why we have to go to war. the war was sold the world really not just because he was a bad guy but because h...

Of mass destruction. >> all right. piers, what do you think? how did she do? i found it quite fascinating. i never understood why more volunteers in the decision hadnt had the decency to raise their arms and say, you know what, we got it wrong on intelligence and were sorry because it was a pretty catastrophic error regardless of whether you thought it was a good idea or not. if you choose something thats a pretext to war, it has to be true. i found it compelling because i thought it was imagine...

Think that we regret that the intelligence was wrong but i dont regret that we took the opportunity to get rid of a cancer in the middle east, who had taken the middle east to war twice, who had used weapons of mass destruction, who was an enemy of the united states, who fired our aircraft every week as ethey were trying to fly in the no-fly zone and send 4 million people to their graves. >> with hindsight and the benefit of all the knowledge you now have, you wouldnt have gone to war using wmd ...

No doubt about that. jon is right. >> larry: jon, was the war worth 4,400 lives? >> i dont think it was worth one american life. we went into war on the pretext there were weapons of mass destruction. we had no human intelligence. the pentagon obviously cooked the books with their own intelligence teams that secretary rumsfeld had generated and sold to congress. now if you asked a kurd or shia, they may have a different take. as an american soldier who served there, no, its a war that never shou...