so the special counsel has gone beyond that with investigation of that which is available to us and mulling those and other charges. tim, was there anything that surprised you that was in that target letter? no, absolutely not. look, we reached a point when we stopped back in early january of this year of support for possible criminal charges. special counsel has clearly gone beyond the record that we developed. because he has tools that we didn t have. the criminal grand jury provides a procedural mechanism to adjudicate privilege assertions immediately. we didn t have that luxury. and therefore, came up the ceiling on privilege assertions many of which we didn t credit but couldn t adjudicate. so i m not surprised at all that the special counsel with the select committee s foundations have gone beyond what seems to be preparing a criminal indictment. ben, what about trump s
he was a body man. he was the guy who carried tic-tacs and the diet coke and comb around for the president, and one of the aides around and so he would have been in position to hear conversation, and have been in the room when things happen, and he has been before the grand jury for times and certain things about privilege assertions, so i am not sure where he stand, but it is not surprising to me that it is someone that the special counsel would want to hear from. tim heaphy, thank you for coming on, and it would be great to have you on when the potential indictment comes down because nobody knows more about the january 6th as the lead investigator. thank you. thank you. and now, one of the greatest crooners of all time tony bennett has died at 86. the iconic voice transcended
the room where it happens. again, we ve got enough just based on what we were able to find with those witnesses tiptoeing up to the line to believe there had been a violation of federal crimes. judge clark in california even back in the spring of 2022 also found that there was prima facie evidence that trump and eastman conspired to violate criminal statutes. now jack smith, with his grand jury power that comes with the adjudication of privilege assertions, my expectation is that he has a lot more, that the case has only gotten stronger, there s more en culp tory evidence, he s gotten to that vital information. glenn, cassidy hutchinson was the inrefutable star witness of the january 6th probe. with george terwilliger, there s there conventional wisdom that mark meadows between what he knew and what he could offer jack smig and the caliber of representation throughout would
accessible to us. we found, as the select committee will report reflects, sufficient evidence that there were violations of federal criminal law. i can only imagine that special counsel was developing additional corroborated evidence, by pushing through these privilege assertions, and getting people in front of the grand jury that refused to talk to the select committee. talk to us for a minute about this experience of being in the room with rudy giuliani, testifying which is what has been happening, or did happen, with jack smith s prosecutors and giuliani. the giuliani you saw, who was hiding behind attorney-client privilege, and whatever else he was doing, was that someone who appeared on top of it? and strong and clear of mind? and knew exactly how to steer his way through this discussion with you? and would know how to do the same thing with a special prosecutor?
and then the court of appeals only will consider that on an emergency motion for stay. and evaluate whether there s a likelihood of success on the merits with the district court s ruling. that happens very quickly. the special counsel s availing himself, wisely, of those tools. and getting stuff that was not accessible to us. we found, as the select committee will report reflects, sufficient evidence that there were violations of federal criminal law. i can only imagine that special counsel was developing additional corroborated evidence, by pushing through these privilege assertions, and getting people in front of the grand jury that refused to talk to the select committee. talk to us for a minute about this experience of being in the room with rudy giuliani, testifying. which is what has been happening, or did happen, with jack smith s prosecutors and giuliani. the giuliani you saw, who was hiding behind attorney-client privilege, and whatever else he was doing, was that someone wh