Going to attract graffiti. Its very likely going to have a negative effect on the artwork itself. So, we are building parameters around that and trying to work with the subculture, trying to work with those artists, but also understand graffiti is graffiti. Our by law in vancouver states that even if you give an artist permission to put up graffiti on your wall, it has to go. They dont permit graffiti on your walls. Whether thats in a mural or whether thats just a tag on your wall. So, even if it is done with permission, with consent, if somebody complains or if one of our by law officers come by, it has to go. And its one of those very clear definitions of graffiti versus art and thats how vancouver has been doing it. I hope that helps a little bit. Thank you. Yeah, i think here in San Francisco the difference between graffiti and art is the permission. I hope i appreciate our anonymously written questions. [laughter] all right. Anybody else have an answer to that one . So, well move
Presentation, we dont have those in the city of vancouver. We dont allow that. So, all murals have to go through a permit system. So, any building that wants to put something up, they have to get like a permit from the city. And if the city finds something that they dont like and it doesnt have a permit, theyll take it down and charge them on their taxes. So, thats i think a very key component to any ordinance that would be enacted in the city that you want to control the image making. This is not the art historian. This is like a civic administrator or urban planner. You want to control the image making thats going on in your city because its about your city, right . So, its a very important part of the program. Interesting. Anybody else . I totally agree with that. [speaker not understood] for years actually. The mic, have you stand up and you go next and well have you go. I totally agree with that. A lot of cities are very successful in california with having a mural ordinance or we
Neighbors where one had painted a sunflower on her garage and the other neighbor didnt like it. And the officer clearly made the distinction it was put on with permission. So, permission is considered in the decisionmaking process, but its not an overall factor. So, if the by law officer had determined that that was a nuisance, the Property Owner would have been forced to remove it, but in this situation made a determination that it wasnt a nuisance, that it was put on, it wasnt detracting from the neighborhood and it was allowed to remain. It gives the officers a lot of leeway. We are looking at what toronto is doing right now in terms of possibly coming up with a way of retroactively approving pieces of art that are on murals that at this point in time our by laws seem to be holding. If i could just add to that, actually, because our program is similar [speaker not understood] when we started researching. This idea of graffititype murals that have permission like you were showing in
Number one, was safe if they got the right training and number two, could do the job that we needed to have done. It worked out great. So. [speaker not understood]. Hold on a second. Let me come over here so you can restate the first part of your question again if i could get you to stand up and well talk to the San Francisco Police Department here. First part of my question was perhaps more urgent. We represent this table, and over here oakland california. And youre aware of the violent nature in that city. Of course, yeah. What im concerned with is you have do gooders and theyre painting out something that the nortenas have painted and want to stay up there and they dont really observe nighttime hours versus daytime hours. So, how do we protect the possibility of some violence being put upon these people that are doing the good work . So, youre thinking more like the retaliation from taggers of the people that are abating the tagging. You just have to educate them. Try to make them a
Them and we made sure that if there were that they knew if there was anything out there, somebody watching them or a gang area, a gang tag, we didnt want them dealing with that. They he should call it into our staff and well take care of it for them. We had absolutely zero in 10 years issues with liability, none, not one. Not only thats correct but we put every volunteer on our citys Workers Compensation program, every single one. So, if there was a problem they were covered under the citys workers comp program. And we had zero claims. And then we also inherited an antilitter program. We had over 14,000 antilitter volunteers. They werent using the chemicals or anything like that, but we had same thing, no problems, no complaints, no liability issues at all. And we only gave solvent to adults. We didnt give solvents to any minors. And we made sure that the solvents that we gave were going to be ones that, number one, could do the job, but number one, was safe if they got the right train