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space with afghan women where we could interact with them away from the scrutiny of the taliban. i remember we chatted, we laughed, we had a cup of tea. we got manicures done. we took a photo of of what our nails looked like afterwards, we saw a bride getting ready for her wedding. for that one hour, ifelt like i could be anywhere in the world away from the reality that awaited these women when they stepped outside of the salon into a world where girls are barred from secondary schools...

Problem that the nhs has had is insufficient investment, particularly over the last decade. that collided with the pandemic has left it in a very fragile state. yes, and of course the style of the organisation, we look around the world and the health models are very different. the uk is an outlier when it comes to the nhs, particularly in england and. we know it is under increasing pressure, and i wonder whether the role of the private sector is something that we need to look at. i know it is no...

Doctor. >> there is no evidence that anybody will be able to keep their doctor to any significant degree. nobody knows the rules. we dont know the rules as providers. patients dont know the rules. and some january 1st, it will be hard with the promises and the things that hhs is doing to force insurers for us to know who really has coverage and who doesnt. >> you talk about how access will become the problem. access to your doctor. what do you mean by that? >> well, it isnt enough to give somebo...

If youre asking seniors to now take a voucher that is not going to cover their costs, of course not. if youre asking the special interests to give up a little bit, of course, the answer is yes. democrats want a solution. we want to go home and say that we have solved this problem but its got to be solved in a fair way. >> that would include cuts in medicare of any kind. >> look, ill give you an example. we have already, as i said before, weve already reduced the cost of medicare $716 billion for...

These back-breaking jobs we have a hardship provision in there so they can still get it earlier. >> that, of course, was erskine bowles with alan simpson as his wing man. is that something you could sell in your district, 40 years down the road, one year on the retirement age? >> well, look, lets set aside social security for a moment because i think theres pretty widespread agreement that social security is not the cause of our deficit problem. we do have a problem related with health care rela...

Approximately was medicare cuts, also medicaid cuts that were in that bill. they were all done on the so-called provider side. thats the way they tend to do that. those are very difficult cuts to make because weve made so many of them in the past. so that side of the of the system is kind of cut to the bone at this point. >> all right. lawrence odonnell, thanks for hanging with us. will you hang out again sometime? >> this is a lot of fun. no-homework tv is a lot of fun. >> up next, forbess list...

Democrats like to pretend as though theyre the great protecters of social security, medicare, and medicaid. they make solemn pledges all the time about how they wont even entertain a discussion about reform. >> and we are back. thats senate minority leader mitch mcconnell saying democrats wont even entertain a discussion of reforming entitlement programs? simply not true. democrats want to extend the life of these programs. the real issue is what kind of reform are you talking about? medicare is...

Or raise the eligibility age. president obama has a plan to get savings out of medicare on the provider side. its obviously an important distinction. president obamas 2013 budget would cut $340 billion out of medicare over 10 years primarily through these 4 methods. requiring drugmakers to pay rebates to medicare in some circumstances. and they want to reduce costs by discouraging hospitals from releasing patients too early and then readmitting them which is more expensive. also, reducing covera...

Democrats like to pretend as though theyre the great protecters of social security, medicare, and medicaid. they make solemn pledges all the time about how they wont even entertain a discussion about reform. >> and we are back. thats senate minority leader mitch mcconnell saying democrats wont even entertain a discussion of reforming entitlement programs? simply not true. democrats want to extend the life of these programs. the real issue is what kind of reform are you talking about? medicare is...

Grows more quickly, but now its growing at a rate that is very similar, if not exactly the same, as the rate president obama would like to have medicare grow under his plan in which hes got some other strength and cost control maneuvers to cut down costs on the provider side. over time they came in more similarly but initially the ryan budgets medicare cuts were very dramatic, much more so than anything the obama administration, for better or worse, has proposed. >> of course, the other criticis...