neighborhoods, the smartest people who work for you in your staff, they all live in the same neighborhood. whether they're black or white or asian. there's this book written, there's a test if you are part of the new elite. the new elite are corporate executives, really quality lawyers, doctors and because it's now at the point where it is merit-based, whether you're part of the elite, we've kind of forgotten about ordinary americans out there. and so, it's like, it drove my boys crazy. it had them take the test in the book and it said, have you ever been on a factory floor? were you raised in a neighborhood where over 60% of the people didn't go to college? if you get a chance to go to starbucks or mcdonald's for coffee, where do you go? do you know anybody who has whole milk if their refrigerator? >> because everybody else has skim milk? elitist. >> so part of it is that it's
understandable, the good news is, it's based on merit advancement in many cases now, but the bad news is that these folks who were the people who are not the salt of the earth, they're the stuff that makes everything grow. and they're capable of so much more. that's why i think our focus on free college education, our focus on making sure that there's child care and get women back in the job market. our fox on things that are just basically simple fairness. minimum wage. i mean, people want to know that we really do -- my dad used to have an expression, chris. he said, i don't expect the government to solve my problem, but i expect them to understand it. >> let me ask you about the things that mr. trump, who you want to beat up, because you do, i know you do, you said so. mr. trump comes out there and doesn't annknow anything about politics or have any ideology,
but he jumped on these issues. illegal immigration, trade relations, which have cost the manufacturing base in this country, and wars which have cost the lives and the arms and legs of their kids. because it's not the elite we're talking about that are fighting these wars. it's those people we're talking about from pennsylvania, western pennsylvania. so he comes on and grabs these three issues? why were they available to him? why weren't the democrats figuring out these things? they're open to him. >> well, by the way, they were available to us. that's why barack and i ended these two wars. we're still engaged, but we're not talking about spending $10 billion a month. we're talking -- we're not talking about 200,000 people, 170,000 people in a war zone. they were available to us. and we were talking about making sure that we take all the actions in the world trade organization. we brought more actions against unfair trade practice than any administration has. and a lot of people like my son went to war, and came back war heros. and what we did is, that's why
we focus so much on military families. and so, but, look, when people have been really -- >> everybody liked beau. >> well -- thank you. that's nice of you to say. >> it's true. >> i do. but, anyway, trump comes along, for example, you never heard me criticize the tea party. and the reason i didn't is because a lot of people are scared, beat up, and what happens, they lost a lot, and what happened during the bush administration and the great recession, and they're angry. and so there's two ways to deal with it. and people go out and you find a scapegoat. and it had to be because of the government. i remember we were running in 2008 a woman standing on a chair at a corner with about 100 other people saying, don't take my medicare. >> isn't that funny? they think government isn't the people who created medicare?
>> so i think when you're appealing to people's fears and anxieties, you can make some gains. but the end of the day, i think you're going to find, i'll make you a bet, that in the state of pennsylvania, a significant number of those non-college-educated white women and men vote democrat before this is over. >> the reason i'm involved in this, what you were talking about, i was reading the "washington post," everything you've i've been thinking, bobby kennedy when he died, his train's coming down through jersey to pennsylvania and washington. and you see white guys. a white guy with a dirty face, saluting. >> that's right! we've lost that gut connection, i think, with the working people out there. we have black support, the democrats do, the liberals do. but this is gone. this salute to the democratic party. how do you get that back? you can do it, i think. >> because you have to talk to them. you have to engage with them.
you have to go and let them know that you understand their act anxieties. look, when barack -- the president picked me up coming from philadelphia in 2009 to go down to be sworn in, thousands of people were along the track in delaware. there were those white guys in hard hats, saluting. and because i've always -- i get it. but i think we got to the point where a lot of local democrats took it for granted. and look, the other part of this is, you know, i may be mistaken, but i think after sam nunn left, i'm the last guy in the senate that got a majority white male vote in their state. but again, a small enough state write paid attention. and by the way, i get overwhelming support in the african-american commity. >> i've seen it. >> overwhelmingly. >> let me ask you about the downside of trump, the danger
side. it looks like he's losing, you know more than i know, but if he loses, election night is sort of predictable, say he carries ohio, maybe. maybe it's close in florida, but he loses. pretty clearly secretary clinton wince with a pretty strong electoral victory. it's obvious she won. and he says nothing or he says, they screwed me, they rigged this thing from the beginning. what will be the danger and how would you as an elected official be able to deal with that? how are you going to bring back the public with his 38 or 40%? >> well i think that you'll only have -- let's say if he gets, god willing, 38 to 40% of the vote. i think at least two-thirds of that vote knows it's not rigged. you're going to have people, though. you always have them. whether they -- whatever their background, who are going to believe it's rigged. i saw an interview on, i think, on msnbc this morning, before i took office. >> good habit. >> well, yeah. but i saw a guy standing there
and he had all these trump signs and they said, are you going to vote? they said, how are you going to argue it's rigged? he said, it's a rigged system. i'm not going to vote. it's rigged. look, we've always had that element in every election. the difference is, we've never had the head of a great party saying that it is rigged. but i really don't -- now, what would be a problem is if, in fact, is if you have a gore, you know, bush election, god forbid, and he says it's rigged if he were on the short end. i don't often agree with charles krauthammer, but he wrote a hell of an article about how fragile democracy is and you can't play with it. that should be disqualifying in and of itself, what he's saying. you got elected at an incredibly young age, and you know what lick life is. no one's had your run, if you put it lightly.
people are still extremely generous. they are fair, and you know, i think people can tell, you know, not about me, but i think people can tell whether when someone says something, whether they mean it. >> yeah. >> i think they can taste it. >> they trust you. your numbers have gone up since you haven't run for president. >> oh, it's amazing. by t way, you guys never gave me credit. they were up before i ran for president. >> but you're booming now. is that a lesson there? don't run for president? >> if i had known that, i would have announced every two years i wasn't running. >> okay. let me ask you about the world series. >> sure. >> now, you're a phillies fan, so does that make you a national league fan? a cubby fan? >> no, i'm a phillies fan because they're in philly and i want to sleep with my wife. >> she's from willow grove. we know this. she hails from willow grove. >> oh, god, is she a philly fan, any sport. i know you're not supposed to say who. i'm an american league fan. >> really? how'd that start? the yankees?
>> scranton and the yankees. everybody in scranton is either -- there's not many phillies fan in -- >> i know about that. >> that's how i was raised. my grand pop was a great athlete, went to santa clarita, played football and i was raised on the yankees. >> despite the nomination of the national league growing up, all those years. >> despite. despite it. >> despite san francisco and l.a.? >> i'm so old, i remember bob feller. >> early win! i remember that, four straight. the best -- the indians had the best winning record with 114 games. and they lost four straight, to the giants. leo deroacher and those guys. >> remember deroacher's comment? he said, better to have lady luck on your bench than skill. my grandfather you'd to say, it's better to have both. >> let's think about that tonight, mr. vice president. thank you for your time. and we'll be right back. you'mart sav.
still here in pittsburgh. coming up, reaction to my interview with vice president joe biden as he and the president look to help hillary clinton into the white house and perhaps protect their own legacy. plus, donald trump says the polls that continue to show him trailing, in some cases trailing badly, are phony. that's his word, yet he's touting endorsements that he claims he has, but he's never gotten. they don't exist. and a new prediction from the cook political report. it says democrats could pick up between five and seven seats on election day in the u.s. senate and win control of the senate. it's all coming up this hour, when "hardball" comes back.
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>> welcome back to "hardball." that was, of course, vice president joe biden sliming -- actually, slamming -- well, perhaps sliming as well, donald trump's self-described locker room talk in miss interview with hip today. well, moments ago at a rally in florida, trump responded to the vice president's words. >> did you say where biden wants to take me to the back of the barn? me. he wants to -- i would love that. i would love that! mr. tough guy. you know, he's mr. tough guy. you know what he's mr. tough guy, when he's standing behind a microphone by himself. that's what he's -- he wants to bring me to the back of the barn. oh. some things in life, you could really love doing. our nation has lost -- and by the way, if i said said that, they'd say, he's violent, how could ef-done that! >> well, in our conversation, vice president biden spoke about how democrats and some
republicans to a lesser extent have lost touch with the white working class of this country. here it is. >> we don't associate with their difficulty anymore. and it's almost like, like somehow, they're in good shape, but they're not. they're not. the fact of the matter is, those people we're talking about built this country. they built it. and they are smarter than we give them credit for. there's almost like what's happened in both parties, is there's sort of a yielding to pedigree. >> yeah. >> you know, the guy who goes to penn state, university of delaware and the guy who goes to yale or penn. the guy at yale or penn must know more. >> joining me right now for their reaction individually is robert costa, national political reporter at "the washington post" and howard fineman, global editorial director of "huffington post" and an msnbc political analyst and katie packer is a republican strategist, formerly with the romney campaign. i'll leave the pugilistics aside
for a second here. robert costa, i've never heard biden lay this out so clearly. the fact that we have this meritocracy gone bankrupt, where only the people at the very top academically are given any consideration by the democrats in terms of policy. he speaks with personal experience, it seems, for a guy who went to university of delaware for example, about this almost british-style system, if you didn't go to oxford or cambridge, don't talk, we're not listening. >> it's a fascinating interview, especially at this political moment as democrats look at the map and they wonder, in places where trump has been popular in the industrial midwest, can they make some gains? can they connect with these aggrieved voters who look at globalization and are unanticipate, are frustrated with the economy. and biden made the point that is not just about policy and ideology. it's about the vernacular. it's about making a visceral connection with these voters that have been left behind. >> we'll track david patrick moynihan, one of our heros, when he talked about this loss of support among the white working
class, starting way back when bobby kennedy was killed. it's been gradual, but persistent. they're turning away from the democratic party, which they view as culturally elitist. your thoughts? >> first of all, chris, don't leave pittsburgh without having a cut of minhio's pizza in squirrel hill. that's my number one thing to you -- >> i went to pizzi rola in mark square -- >> no really bond with the working class this pittsburgh, you've got to do that. >> two days before the pittsburgh in cleveland, i spent time going to the counties around the city of cleveland, talking to those very white, working class voters we're discussing. they feel screwed. it's not about the language. you know, it's not about learning how to talk to them. as joe biden said, these people are not dumb. they're feeling screwed. and they're feeling screwed by trade policy, which, by the way, wasn't just a matter of the bush administration did, that's what the clinton administration did. they're upset about immigration.
and illegal or undocumented immigration, which they feel is taking their jobs. they're concerned about big money in washington and the fact that their voice is not heard. they're concerned about terrorism. they feel that they are part of another country and it's not theirs. and i think a lot of that has to do with policy. joe biden hit some of it, but he by no means hit all of it. and i think to -- and i felt back then that trump was going to win ohio and i think he is going to win ohio, because of the decimation of industrial ohio. that's real and that's happening. >> well, you put your name on that one. i think ohio is the one that i'm watching, is a statement. even if trump gets blasted away other places, that is one hell of a statement for him to carry a significant state. katie, your thoughts about this? we're talking about the cultural and economic disconnect between democratic leaders a to the highest level and voters who have turned away from the democratic party, starting well a couple of decades ago.
they have started moving away. >> i think there's been a real cultural shift, where there's a sense that there's kind of this elitism, within the democratic party. but when it comes to trump, it's very easy to speak to the anger and frustration of these people that have lost jobs, that have seen their communities collapse, because businesses have left. when you don't have a plan that's accountable to anybody. it's very easy to say, we're going to fix all of this, we're going to fix immigration by building a wall, we're going to have good trade deals. but to not have any coherent plan that anybody's able to challenge you on -- >> well, who's got one? >> yeah, katie, who's got a coherent plan? if trump doesn't have one, name the other people who do? what are democrats saying to people in ohio? what are they saying to bobby casey's people in pennsylvania? they may not like those individuals, but they don't like the national democratic tea party quite as much. >> right. >> can i also say, chris, in talking to those people there and in other states, i think they know that donald trump doesn't have a plan. and they're almost looking to
trump as a kind of bell to ring in the night. it's a protest vote. and frankly, on trade, hillary doesn't have anything much to say. she says she wants to -- >> well, the only thing i would challenge on that is, they may not think he has a plan, but they have bought into this idea that he's been very successful. he's got a big plane, he's got all these companies with his name on them. so he's succeeded at things. so they are putting a fair amount of trust in him to deliver on some thing. >> let me go back to robert on this. robert, there's a reason this is a good, important topic to get to. there's economic disconnect with the establishment. the only way you can explain people voting for donald trump is not his personal behavior, not his lifestyle, not that he's been caught up in this audio with "access hollywood" that certainly has hurt him. it's despite that. they're not voting for him because of his misbehavior, they're voting for him despite his misbehavior. therefore we've got to get, if you care for politics in this country and democracy, you've got to figure out what is it
that may cause40% of the people in this country to vote for somebody, who many believe is disqualified personally by his personal reasons. i think we're all hurting the country if we don't learn a lesson. why would you vote for trump? it's not trump himself. something else is moving this. >> for many of these voters, chris, he's disruption. they're not voting for trump. they're not even entranced that much by his biography. he's disruption to the institutions with, the media, government, corporate america, institutions that they believe have failed them. and that the problem for both parties right now is that this dynamic is likely to continue, past november 8th. the democrats who went for senator sanders in the primary, who are unhappy with trade and immigration and the economy, they continue to be there. the trump voters continue to be there, even if trump goes back to mar-a-lago. >> and just to show how dangerous this is in terms of protests, back in 1992, not a million years ago, when bill clinton was elected, 19% of this country voted for ross perot, who was certifiable.
19% voted for a guy who was uneven in his thinking. let's put it that way. now, 38% are going to vote for trump, probably, at least. so double -- we have doubled the number of the protest vote in this country against the establishment. that's what's going on. howard, last thought? >> i was just going to say, if you can get somebody who comes from that part of the country, who is a regular guy, the way joe biden is a regular guy, and get them to use social media to raise the money to run, and not be a billionaire ross perot, not a billionaire donald trump, that's the thing to look for the next go-around in presidential politics. >> let's stick with that thought. pardon me. what, katie? >> maybe ben sasse. >> okay, that's your guy from the state of nebraska. we'll be right back with robert costa, howard fineman, and an early pusher for ben sasse. and our night of vice presidential discussions continues tonight. by the way, 9:00 tonight eastern, join rachel maddow as she interviews tim kaine, who's running for vp and could well be
the winner already, head there had, already. and at 11:00 eastern, brian williams sits down with mike pence, his opponent. is so we're bound to get their next vice president and we're covering all the bases tonight vp wise. when we come back, why is donald trump talking about polls he calls phony, and at the same time, he's talking up endorsements. but actually he doesn't have those endorsements he says he has. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
welcome back to "hardball." after meeting with law enforcement and first responders in st. augustine, florida, yesterday, donald trump tweeted that he'd received the endorsement of the st. john's county sheriff's office. but as it turns out, the sheriff's office did not endorse trump, as he had claimed, clarifying on twitter, quote, comments have been made that sjso has endorsed a candidate for president. the sheriff's office has not made any official endorsement, closed quote. trump later spoke about it in a tv endorsement and boasted that he had received the endorsement of every police department and a conceptual endorsement from the u.s. military. here he is. >> when we say first responder, we're talking about sheriffs and talking about all the people having to do with the sheriff's department, but we're also talking about the paramedics who are so important and the firefighters. and we had a fantastic meeting with some of the folks pretty large group of folks. and they've endorsed me. endorsed me, fully. i've been endorsed by virtually every police department and police group and i've been endorsed largely, conceptually,
at least, by the military. >> but as nbc news fact checkers point out, none of that is true. the department of defense has its own set of guidelines that tightly restricts any active duty military or civilian personnel from publicly choosing political sides. trump does have the endorsement of some retired are military figures as well as some unions who are engaged with law enforcement. we're back with robert costa, howard fineman, and katie packer. katie, as dezi arnes used to say to lucy, explain. what's the point? >> the only explanation that i can come up with is that every military guy he talks to endorses him. but i'm get geuessing the peopl that don't like him don't come and talk to donald trump. it's delusional behavior. >> is that the delusion that allows him to believe that every
time he goes to a rally and there's 10,000 people there that he's carried the state? >> there's no excuse for it. it's not based on evidence or actual endorsements, but it's certainly reflective of donald trump's personality, a marketer, a real estate developer. he's -- he has a tendency to brag. >> howard? >> well -- >> that's well said. >> chris, i just want you to know, i have so many conceptual pulitzer prizes. that i'm going to give one to robert, so -- >> well, give them all away. >> you can have them all. you deserve them this year. >> this conceptual. anyway, in a photo op with his staff at the doral hotel down in florida, today, said that all his employees have a problem with their health care because of the affordable care act, because of obama. let's listen. >> so we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. and i can say all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obamacare. you folks, this is another group. is that a correct statement? i mean, you look at what they're going through, what they're
going through with their health care is horrible, because of obamacare. >> now back to planet earth. but later, trump told reporters that it's his company, not obamacare, that provides coverage to most of his staffers. the general manager further clarified that 95% of trump's employees at the hotel are not on the obamacare exchanges. so how do we explain that, howard, that he's blaming obamacare for not being involved with obamacare? >> well, he doesn't care. he's not disciplined enough or able to focus enough on the most elemental details to be able to do the slam dunk on obamacare. here the headlines are, rates increase by 25%. a lot of people think that obamacare is imploding, all right? that there's a legitimate argument about that. instead of making the clean kill on that, to mix my metaphors, donald trump doesn't even bother getting the facts straight about his own businesses. i mean, it's sloppy and almost
disqualifying in and of itself. it's like, he knows he's not -- he seems to know he's not going to win. he's kind of mailing it in here, going around the couple the last couple of weeks. it's even worse, even sloppier than usual. >> the great radical activist, tom haden, just died the other day and he once accused in a primary campaign -- i'm sure you know about this, he accused his opponent the democratic senator of dating teenagers. and when he said, give us one example, he said, i can't, but it's metaphorical. he's metaphorically dated teenagers. that's like conceptual. what's that mean? metaphorically dating teenagers when you're in your 40s? your thoughts? >> i'll leave that one on the shelf. but i think what we're seeing from donald trump is a candidate who has delved into a conspiracy in the past. he has dealt in falsehoods and exaggerations. and right now, most republicans in the senate and house races, they're seizing on the affordable care act issue, trying to say, this is something they can run on, in spite of all
the thunderstorms around trump. trump himself, is taking on the issue, but isn't making a large coherent case against it. >> well said. thank you, katie packer for joining us. please come back again, howard fineman, as always, and robert costa. up next, democrats are getting more confident they'll not only win the white house come next month, but take control of the united states as well. that will be a big double win. up next, you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. when you'relose to the people you love, es psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching ment? ifou have morate tsevere psoriasis,ou can embrave, the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you chance at completely clearkin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant provement of their psoriasis plaques. in fact, 4 out o10 even achieved completely clear skin. not use if you are allergic to ltz. before starting you should be checked for tuberculosis.
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democrats are poised to make gains. they classify illinois and wisconsin as states already leaning democrat. meanwhile, they call florida, indiana, missouri, new hampshire, north carolina, and pennsylvania toss-ups. let's bring in the "hardball" roundtable, jennifer duffy, michael steel is msnbc political analyst, former chair of the republican national committee, and david corn is an msnbc political analyst and washington bureau chief. i want to start with jennifer, because you've generated these numbers. and i have a sense in your headline, poised to take, how confident are you that they will win a net four, the democrats, to take control of the senate if hillary wins? >> at this point, i'm very confident. we're already giving them two. illinois and whisk, which means that out of that toss-up column, they need to win two more. i mean, that's pretty achievable. but when we look at the numbers, when we look at states where trump's numbers have dropped, we've seen republicans numbers dip not nearly as much, but we've seen them dip as well, it's not hard to see how they
get five, six, seven seats. >> on an issue, how biden started tonight, i was kidding around with him with the boxing gloves, because of that thing he says, and he said it very passionate, lewant he wants to fistfight with trump, and trump racketed to it, over the issue what trump was recorded of saying, is this one of those outside variables that jumps into a campaign and jolts it in one direction? >> absolutely. republicans were really holding their own before that. they were running their campaign pretty separately from trump. they weren't really tied to him in any way. we saw very little evidence of what is being called the trump drag. now, it didn't happen overnight, but since the tape emerged, we've seen those numbers go down, we've seen the generic ballot tests, would you rather have a republican or a democrat in congress? we've seen that number slip some for republicans. so, i really consider the tape a turning point. >> let me go back to david corn.
aside from philosophy, left versus right, ideological warfare, is this one of those weird things -- i'm convinced that it's become something that the average voter, who may not be that philosophically directed left or right says, wait a minute, is that somebody running for president talking like that? your thoughts. >> well, i think it was a very decisive moment. and it came at probably the worst time in the election cycle, the election campaign cycle, just as we were getting towards the final debates and when people are really focusing and trying to make a decision if they haven't made a decision. so i think it really clarified the type of choice that voters face, and the type of man and person that donald trump is, and that was so negative. it does reflect on the whole republican party, and it put people like kelly ayotte, who's up for re-election in new hampshire, who's a vulnerable republican, really in a terrible position, and you see her state on that map there, because, you know, she can't run from trump at that point, although she's trying. but it's a little bit too late.
>> you know, michael, it looks like he was trying to -- i'm looking at it a million times like everybody else, that tape, it looked like he was trying to impress belilly bush. that's looked what it was trying to do. >> i think that's what -- it's two guys talking, jock crap. and that's what -- >> but he wanted to impress how tough he was. >> come on, michael. >> no, he's admitting doing something. he's not just bragging about -- >> ocourse! >> making that point, that's how he tried to impress him. >> look, we're just talking about two guys in a trailer talking crap. talking trash with each other. and so, yeah, that was a defining moment in a very real way, because we got exposed to it. we heard it. and i think for a lot of women out there especially, that was kind of the final connection that they needed to break off, you know, the relationship, if you will, with the republicans and in particular, this nominee. >> okay, jennifer, what did woman hear? i think if they listen to it
four or five times, which was easy to do, it's been on a million times, they heard not just trash talk or locker room. they heard a guy describing physically what he's done to women, with total strangers. >> well, exactly. it went from trash talk and trying to talk a big game about, you know, about his prowess with women, to actually describing it. and i think that is what turned a lot of women off. i know that we were talking about senator kelly ayotte. i think that that was her breaking point. she'd been frustrated with him, you know, the party was asking her to stick with him and she just said, enough is enough. you know, i have a daughter. i don't want anybody talking about my kid like that. >> but she did not do that at that point. >> but she had just called him a day or two before a role model, despite all the other misogyny that he's demonstrated and exhibited. i mean, i know that was the final straw, but there had been a, you know, a hay wagon full of straw up until then. >> yeah wing most men, when they talk among each other after a
few beers or ten beers, it's more in wonder at women, jennifer. it's actually honesty, magically amazed by who they are and who they can be to them. it's just astounding. i've never heard this kind of talk. >> well, if they talk like that. >> i think -- i think -- >> not to be too romantic, they think about what they love. >> the roundtable is staying with me and up next, these three will tell me something they love. i think we're doing that right now. this is "hardball," the place for politics. listen to me i am captain
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so this tells you a significant pool of republicans that the internal fight is just warming up post -- >> trump could run next time as well. what do you think, when he loses this time, he runs next time? that would be good for everybody. let's go to jennifer. >> i'm going to stick in the senate. in russ feingold of wisconsin is successful on november 8th and he's favored to be, he will be the first senator since 1934 to avenge his own loss. >> wow. >> wow. >> that's interesting. the count of monte cristo. here he comes. >> i spoke to a top republican strategist here in d.c. just a couple days ago. he says reporters always come to him before elections and say, tell me about the republican civil war that's going to come after the election and he always says, no, no no, we're going to be fine.
time he says they're right, i'm wrong. it's going to be bloody. >> something to cover next year. jennifer duffy, michael steele, david corn. when i return my election diary for tonight with two weeks to go before the election.
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my sit squlodown with joe biden pittsburgh tells me that at least one democrat understands the trump phenomenon. while others look down their noses, the longtime senator from delaware gets it. he sees their failure to connect with the voters. they've driven the majority of white noncollege educated pennsylvania vote toers line up with the new york billionaire which is what we're seeing in polling right now. he's winning among those people, trump is. biden talked about what he calls the pedigree problem. anyone at the top views anyone as not an ivy leaguer as below consideration. how the party has forgotten about ordinary americans out there how those people are smarter than they're given credit for. he's got something here. 90% of white noncollege graduates voted for bill clinton in 2012 that sunk down to 29%. one person who saw this loss of the white working class voters early on was former united states senator moynihan of new
york who wrote in 1968 right after bobby kennedy was killed n a word the people of south boston should be on our minds as those of roxbury or bedford stiv es ant. they've been abandoned. four years later moynihan talked about catholic voters. he said the white working class should be a base on which to build not to abandon. even in the high office of vice president, joe biden born in scranton hasn't either. as my old boss tip o'neill used to say, he hasn't forgotten where he came from. he knows and shares the sentiments of those ordinary people who feel they've been abandoned by the democratic party they themselves built. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> nobody should want to wake up on november 9th and wonder whether there was more you could have done. >> two weeks out, hillary rallies and trump keys off.
nixon, if you want to learn about watergate, learn about what the country was like and what was going on in the country. and the way to start understanding that is to understand '68. >> oh, and there's a little bit of collusion in the victory in the end that is worth -- it's actually richard nixon used collusion with the foreign government, the south vietnamese in order to win in the end. >> and for the rest of the story, playing with fire is now available in bookstores and online. if you can bear the sound of my voice for hours on end, the audiobook is available too. that's tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with broian will jams is next." $15 million for flynn to have a turkish president's rival sent back to turkey. also two republican senators tonight withdrawing their support for roy moore as the alabama candidate calls the sexual misconduct claims against him completely false.
we're live in vietnam as president trump is half a world away from the problems back home in washington. "the 11th hour" on a friday night begins now. and good evening, once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 295 of the trump administration, and tonight it is now clear that the attention of robert mueller is for the time being, at least, bearing down on mike flynn, the retired u.s. army general who was one of the stall warts of the trump campaign effort and who served as national security adviser for 24 days in the west wing. nbc news reports today mueller is investigating a possible deal between senior turkish officials and flynn during the presidential transition. this report says, in part, quote, four people familiar with the investigation say mueller is looking into whether flynn discussed orchestrating the return to turkey of a chief rival of turkish president erdogan who lives in the u.s.
flynn was offered upwards of $15 million to be paid directly or indirectly if he could complete the deal according to two sources familiar with the meeting. flynn's lawyers released a statement about the story saying, quote, we have intentionally avoided responding to every rumor or allegation raised in the media. today's news cycle as brought allegations about general flynn ranging from kidnapping to bribery that are so outrageous and prejudicial we are making an exception to our usual rule. they are false. flynn, you'll recall, among trump's earliest campaign supporters, he served on the transition team before following the new president to the white house. sormer acting attorney general sally yates over at justice had testified six days after trump took the oath of office she warned the white house flynn was compromised with the russians. she also testified that vice president mike pence had unknowingly made false statements about flynn's conversations with the russians. and administration official has
said pence was relaying what flynn told him. 18 days after yates' warning, trump fired flynn. here's how he explained why he did it. >> did you fire mike flynn? >> mike flynn's a fine person. and i asked for his resignation. he respectfully gave it. he is a man who there was a certain amount of information given to vice president pence who's with us today. and i was not happy with the way that information was given. >> did you direct mike flynn to discuss sanctions with the russian ambassador? >> no, i didn't. >> prior to your inauguration? >> no, i didn't. >> would you have fired him if the information hadn't leaked out. >> no, i fired him because of what he said to mike pence, very simple. mike was doing his job. >> we ultimately fired, but we fired for a different reason. >> you're talking about general flynn? >> general flynn, yes.
>> because of lying to the vice president? >> yeah. but everything plays in, everything plays into it. but we fired him because he said something to the vice president that was not so. let's bring in our starting panel on a friday night, shall we. nbc news national political reporter julia ainsley, more on that in a moment. political white house reporter matthew nussbaum is back with us, and jennifer rodgers, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. good evening and welcome to you all. julia you get to go first because, of the panelists, you made the news today. tell us this story as best you can for a lay audience, including how in the name of god it also includes the poconos and pennsylvania? >> that is a good question. i will break that down for you as simply as i can. basically we know that robert mueller is looking into whether or not michael flynn and his associates met in a december
2016 meeting at the 21 club in new york. that is an upscale restaurant just blocks away from the trump tower where flynn was serving on the presidential transition team. we understand from sources who are familiar with this meeting that they allegedly talked about a $15 million bribe that they would try to give flynn once he was national security adviser if he could see that fi tul la len. in order to remove him, that could have been through a kidnapping operation, or through extradition. we also know that the fbi had re-upped their investigation, they were asked to re-up their investigation into gulen at the beginning of the trump administration when flynn served as national security adviser. this was after they had already dismissed the investigation under obama. we're looking at a number of pieces. what mueller is trying to drill
extradition request to come from the white house. it's supposed to come through diplomatic channels in the justice department. >> so counselor, this comes down to you. someone said on social media today that if there could be anything funny taken out of this, this could be the plot from a cohen brothers movie with general flynn driving around the poconos looking for this old guy to send out of the country. as a former prosecutor, what alarm bells go off in your head? >> well, it's not good for flynn, no matter how you slice it. if he's talking about taking money to try to orchestrate a return of gulen to turkey through official channels, then you're talking about serious bribery offenses, you're not allowed to take money to do things for your government job, except your salary. if you're talking about him trying to orchestrate some illegal operation, it's obviously a federal crime to orchestrate kidnapping that crosses international lines. either way you look at it he's talking about committing a very serious crime if these allegations are proven to be
true. >> matthew, how does this continue to haunt the administration that, after all, continues even though the traveling white house right now is on the other side of the world? >> in some ways it's convenient that they're over there in asia for now while this news drops. sarah sanders and the rest will have to confront this when they get back. it would be hard to overstate how serious this is. obviously the manafort indictment was serious for which white house. that was someone who left the campaign in august mike flynn was with the campaign through the end, prominent in the transition and served in the white house over the warnings of the president obama who told president trump not to hire him. and you have to remember it was michael flynn who donald trump was defending to james comey and said can't we find a way to let this go? he went on to later fire james comey which led to bob mueller getting here in the first place. this flynn case is very, very serious for the white house, more serious than the manafort case. >> matthew, let's go deeper on
$1 million in three years on business suits out of a place in cypress, these guys are not going to do 25 years in jail. that's why bob mueller's going about this the way that he is. he knows these guys are not seasoned criminals and he knows they're going to roll over on each other. mark my words, it will start becoming a race to the special counsel's office." i also heard someone today refer to mueller as an back y-- preci they've gone about the case so far. >> that's clear. that's the point behind the substance and heft of the manafort gates indictment to get them to cooperate. similarly, here, they have charges they could bring on flynn already. the registration, the foreign agents registration act defense and false statement offense is not enough to get him to flip. you bring potentially, if they can, these charges which are significantly more serious, and flynn already, unlike manafort, has indicated an interest in getting immunity and perhaps
cooperating. i think they think if they can get a serious enough offense against flynn he's definitely flipping. >> do you concur with what seems to be the present attitude we know between 1% and 10% going on between all reporting, mueller runs a tight ship. >> that's right. that's the way it should be honestly. these are confidential investigations going on. until they bring actions that are meant to be public then i agree they should stay confidential despite the great work of the news media. we have a lot of work to do still. we'll find out in time. >> matt, let's delve briefly into the trump agenda. while all this is going on, we're hearing a lot about tax cuts and tax reform and soon the traveling circus is going to come back to town and we're going to be all about capitol hill once again. >> that's right. i mean, we know this administration has a hard time driving one message. we've seen that this week when
tax reform and the asia trip were supposed to the big thing. obviously roy moore made short work of that. between this controversy down in alabama and the white house having to answer for that, and mueller's investigation expanding, and these new questions about flynn, you couple that with the fact that this tax bill looks like it actually raises taxes on a fair amount of middle class families, that's a lot of issues for the white house to be coming back to, this is not an environment that's friendly to complex and politically difficult as tax reform. >> our thanks to the leadoff panel for leading off coverage on friday night. julia apes l julia apes lee, matthew nussbaum, jennifer rogers. coming up, supporters announced no longer supporting roy moore. live to vietnam, the most controversial item on the president's agenda prior to wheels up and heading home, "the
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with a 14-year-old girl back in 1979. moore was then a 32-year-old assistant da at the time. the post also interviewed three other women who said moore took them on dates when they were teenagers. nbc news has not verified the allegations. the reporting is based on over 30 sbeinterviews of people who w moore during that time. the women have not filed police reports or civil suits. more than a dozen republicans have called on moore to step aside if the allegations prove to be true. just three senators, john mccain, mike lee and steve daines have fully denounced moore as a candidate. and former gop mitt romney wrote on twitter today, innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. i believe lee corfman, the woman in the article, her account is too serious to ignore. moore is unfit for office and should step aside. president trump continues his
asia trip this week, hasn't addressed these allegations directly. today, however, during a press briefing on board air force one, press secretary sarah huckabee sanders chose her words carefully here. >> like most americans, the president believes we cannot allow a mere allegation, in this case one from many years ago, to destroy a person's life. however, the president also believes that if these allegations are true, judge moore will do the right thing and step aside. >> well, let's talk about all of this. stuart stevens is with us tonight. he's a campaign and political veteran. he served as mitt romney's chef strategist for the 2012 campaign. and indira is back with us. thank you for being with us. stuart what's going on here, a day's full of news coverage today, various people coming on television and radio, normalizing an adult and a teenage girl. >> listen, it's really not
complicated. roy moore in this interview with sean hannity did what all the bad guys do in law and order when they don't have a lawyer, he basically indicted himself. he said it was in his 30s, assistant district attorney, did go out with girls young enough he had to ask their moms for permission. i guess he thought that was a defense. but, i mean, look, if you're in your 30s and you're going to take girls young enough you feel like you have to ask their mother, that should have been the first clue that something was off. and so he's saying these girls are 16, 17 and he was attracted to them in his 30s, which is weird. but he wasn't -- doesn't have any -- can't imagine him doing anything with someone a couple years younger. i mean, look, he should step aside. it's clear. it's a disgrace. >> where is your party, stuart, and where are the profiles in the u.s. senate for starters? >> this is a situation where the
president could be very helpful. he's wildly popular with republicans in alabama. i think that they would listen to him and i think the president should look at this and ask roy moore to step aside. there are various mechanisms that could still guarantee republicans have a shot at this election. otherwise, to condone this, to accept it is to condone it. if you don't call it out, in my view you're cone doning it. >> indira, your view of what is we're witnessing here? i'll give you another curve ball, the bannon effect on all of this. >> right, well, of course, steve bannon, the guy who backed roy moore and pushed for him against luther strange who would have been the more mainstream candidate. what i have to say about this, there's so many disturbing elements. one is, as stuart said, that during this interview with sean hannity that roy moore essentially said, well i did know two of these four women.
not only did he say well, i never asked any teenager out without getting her mom's permission which, again, sort of stunning and shocking that he was doing it if the first place. then he said the girl who he supposedly plied with alcohol when she was underage, oh, i'm sure i didn't do and that she didn't drink underage, i remember her as being a good girl. immediately putting the blame on the young woman herself. the other thing that's so disturbing is how the alabama gop has reacted. i mean, pretty much across the board, alabama republicans have stood by him saying that even if these allegations are true, that they still would vote for him over the democrat and one of them, the auditor general of the state compared this to mar yan joseph and said mary was a teenager and joseph was an adult carpenter, and they were parents of jesus. and i thought, oh, my goodness, the bible says that mary was a virgin. and that god was the father of jesus and how in the world can you use this to justify dating
teenage girls? it's appalling. and, you know, the senators in the u.s. senate who are coming out against him keep saying if true, if true he should step down. how are we supposed to prove this? what do these four women have to gain putting their names out there, their entire life histories. "the washington post" sought them out, and really did bullet proof reporting on this i find very hard for anyone to say that's not true. >> that required some courage from the women they encountered and interviewed. also, indira i've heard it said this week that, if true, has become, as phraseology goes, if true, has become the thoughts and prayers of last week. >> exactly. >> so stuart, on the bannon angle, we have this immovable object who is going to be a part of our politics whether republicans or democrats like it or not. i want to play for you jeremy
peters of the "new york times" talking to steve bannon about the majority leader in the u.s. senate. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> do you think mitch mcconnell will be the majority at this time next year. >> i do not. >> is that your personal mission to make that not happen? >> it's not my personal mission but it is an objective -- i have an objective that mitch mcconnell will not be majority leader and it will be done before this time next year. >> stuart, what do you make of that threat? >> the idea we're on national television talking about a weird doe like steve bannon is stunning. this guy was in the hate business at breitbart. the thought he latched onto this campaign, he seems to think people were voting for him. i don't think anybody cares what steve bannon says. he's not a republican in any sort of sense of what it is.
he's called himself a len nonnist. i think he's someone who obviously doesn't look like a very happy person who's kind of working through these issues on a national platform. >> well, indira how else to explain what a weird turn our politics have taken? >> it's upsetting. when there are republican strategists out there like stuart who are taking a stand and saying this is wrong, at least we can have hope, mitt romney coming out and taking such a strong stand i also thought was extremely reassuring and, you know, we know that, of course, he's looking into a senate campaign from all the reporting. i want to contrast this moment in history, though, to 2012 when todd achen, you may remember, was the republican who was running in missouri against claire mis mccaskill. in legitimate rape.
if you remember he was so roundly attacked for that. women's groups like emily's list raised money against him. he was defeated, of course. what is really different here is the way that even though there have been all these avalanche of allegations of sexual misconduct coming out in all different professions now, ever since the harvey weinstein thing, that the alabama republican party and the current senate gop we have is still at this moment backing him, as you say, using this if true, without ever telling us how are we supposed to prove whether it's true or not, again when these women have nothing to gain from this other than putting their names out there in a very embarrassing way. i hope they'll be more in the party who will stand up about this and really push roy moore aside so that there can be a better republican candidate who can run in this race. >> indira, always a pleasure having you on. stuart it's great to have you back on our broadcast.
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through it. peggy noonan is here. we're fortunate to say, also an msnbc political analyst. welcome, as always. >> thank you. >> i'd like to take you far back in history to a simpler time, tuesday night. >> so long ago. >> with these news cycles it sounds like it's a year ago. what happened in virginia, and i ask you knowing a bit about your theory it was broader and deeper than virginia. >> yeah, we had westchester and long island that had been reliably kind of republicanish and suddenly we're kind of democratish, new jersey wasn't surprising. here's the thing about virginia. everybody thought it would be close. everybody thought ed gillespie might be catching up as he caught up with mark warner a few years ago. and yet it was a blowout, just a blowout. he lost really big. the issue i think the president took it right in the face in
this, the issue was donald trump. spoke to a whole lot of people down there, also was down there on my own. this was about trump and it was about people saying i don't like what you've been doing. it was an indignant reaction to him. a republican office holder told me literally people were showing up at voting places saying i'm here to vote against trump. so that is -- it was a rout and it was a warning for the white house, and for trump supporters who always have a sense of i think they always think their numbers are much bigger than they are. and i think they're not sufficiently disturbed about the president's inability to expand from a core so far an indy soluble core. it's the big story of the first year. >> with all that as the
predicate, what is happening in alabama? what about when the bills come due for this conversation going on in the country? >> the sexual harassment thing? oh, man, this is huge, it's really epic. in my time as an adult i have never seen a country suddenly take issues of sexual harassment and abuse in the workplace so seriously. i think the key here is, first of all, journalistic entities, newspapers and magazines, should be -- should be patting themselves on the back for having committed the resources and the time. you know how time consuming these investigations are. >> that's right. >> they're real investigations. they're not just this happened today. it's something where an editor has to say, okay, you can take two months and we're going to put ten people on it and they get the story. what it comes down to, the big change now is that predators have good reason to believe in the future they will not get away with it.
why? because on sexual harassment we've broken the code. old cases used to be he said, she said. the cases now that are so convincing and believable have to do with numbers, the sheer number of people giving their testimony, both with their names or not named. and the sheer detection of patterns. it's what got harvey weinstein. it's what's gotten a lot of these fellas. it's -- i'm so interested in the fact that it's hit so many political and media and show business personalities. somebody said earlier today it's as if everybody in front of a camera is nuts. you know? >> in 30 seconds or less, your reaction to the great newspaper war of 2017. it happened too late to save print, per se, but to your point, these are great days to be in the news media business. >> oh, yes. you know, many people are disturbed that institutions and
american life are failing. you know what? the law seems to be doing pretty well. the courts seem to be doing pretty well. journalism as i observe is flourishing. i have my own problems with what i perceive to be its bias, narrowly class-based look at the world. >> that's right. >> that having been said, investigative prowess and the joy of you sense in newspapers and magazines lately, the joy of getting up in the morning and going after the story. i think it's actually moving to see. i love it. >> at another date we'll debate the word joy in the morning. >> i keep going too long. >> somewhere between joy and trepidation. always a pleasure. thank you very much, peggy noonan as always for spending time with us in the studio. the president is a world away. we are tracking his travels, we're live in vietnam after the break. i saw the change in rich when we moved into the new house.
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three days remaining in the president's asia trip after his stop in vietnam. the president heads to the philippines where he's expected to meet with the president, rod re reco duterte, condemned by human rights groups. last may trump drew fire for saying duterte doing, quote, an unbelievable job. with us in vietnam is jonathan la mere. we last saw jonathan in one of the photos from this trip on board a u.s. military helicopter with another of our friends, ashley parker of the "washington post." great to see the kids grow up and fly around in black hawks. we're also joined tonight by one
of jonathan's colleagues in washington as we welcome to the broadcast ken thomas, also an a.p. white house reporter. jonathan, i'm told we have a sizable satellite delay between you and us, but i'll go ahead and ask, was there as much surprise on the trip as there was back here to hear the president's comments on china after running so hard against china in the campaign and as president saying he really doesn't blame china for what they've been up to economically vis-a-vis the u.s.? >> there's no question, brian, that the president pulled his punches. we know night after night on the campaign trail, rally after rally, he accused china of manipulating the currency, of healthy and terrible trade imbalance. he one night said china is raping our country. we heard none of that in beijing. he flattered the president and
the skill of chinese negotiator. in the room he was set up to scold the president, and he didn't. he said he didn't blame china, he blamed the u.s. predecessors. white house aides have said this was deliberate, the i don't blame line was not in the president's prepared remarks. the sentiment was they feel like better off with the chinese to flatter them, not embarrass them publicly, but to work behind closed doors towards the issues, not just of trade, but also north korea. >> so, ken, there's all the evidence that this was intentional and they're willing to live with how different this looks and sounds from the guy who was campaigning to the base because they say they're going to do the work of this gathering behind the scenes. >> that's right. i think they feel like, you know, it was better to flatter
shi, try to establish a relationship, accept his hospitality and not say anything in front of him that would humiliate him. this is an important relationship on north korea. he's trying to get shi's help on north korea. and, you know, to go after him publicly on trade, i think, would have probably sent the wrong signal. >> ken, do you think that's a sign? and we don't mean anything patronizing here, that there is a diplomatic maturity at work where the u.s.-china relationship is concerned? >> it's possible. i think there's also a realization that this is a huge piece of the portfolio, that the president really feels like if he can establish good personal ties with shi, that it will pay dividends down the road as it relates to north korea, as it relates to perhaps improving the trade imbalance. >> all right, jonathan lamere,
preview the philippines portion of this trip. this is fraught, and of course it's had a long-term relationship with the united states. >> that's right. the president goes to the philippines on sunday here in asia. we, as you chronicled, president duterte has sanctioned a drug war that includes extrajudicial killings. he has bragged on the personally killing a man, at least one in his life. it has certainly been customary for presidents past to use moments like this to chide, to rebuke, to school on human rights, to make that public statement about why these kind of things are not american values. i don't think we should expect to see this president do that here. the white house has sent signals, they say if trump delivers any kind of message like that, it will be done in private, not be done in public to upset duterte. they value this relationship with the philippines.
they don't want to push philippin philippines closer to beijing. this is a pattern. it's a president who has co zied up to strong men. putin in russia, this week we saw it with shi, no mention of human rights violations or individual liberties in china. that's not what this president does, that's not his style. i would think despite uproar from human rights organizations around the globe as to what's been done in the drug war, the president will not talk about it publicly. >> foreign and domestic tonight, jonathan laleer, ken thomas, thank you for coming on our broadcast. another break for us. coming up our next guest considers it his job to regularly remind us these are not normal times we're witnessing. that when "the 11th hour" continues. whoooo.
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it's not normal for the president to obsess about cable news coverage of himself. it's not normal for the president to publicly criticize the mayor of london on the basis of flawed facts right after a terror attack that's killed seven people. it's not normal for the president to attack, and this is purely hypothetical, of course, tv news hoes by name, including a personal attack on a woman's intellect and appearance. brian, it's not normal. >> that was from this very broadcast on the six-month mark of the trump presidency. that was mike allen, our veteran of our business, cofounder of the news site axios, cofounder of politico. he's worked at the "new york times," "the washington post," time magazine among others, we're happy to have you back, mike allen. i'm guessing your look at what's not normal, the lead story tonight would be attempts to normalize any kind of relationship between an adult
male and a 14-year-old girl. >> certainly not normal, brian, and brian, tonight is going to be meet the cousins night. i have a couple of cousins for you. cousins of it's not normal. one of them is never before. so brian, never before have we had a president who would publicly threaten, prod the justice department and his own prosecutors to go after the opposition party as the president has done over the donna brazil incident in the democratic party. never before, brian, have members of the president's own party been so reluctant to say what they said privately. a couple senators, senator mccain, senator flake of arizona, corker of tennessee, publicly denouncing this president. privately as you know they'll
say plenty. publicly as you said at the top of the broadcast, this is the president's party, no doubt. >> mike allen, you have published a number, i call it the pessimism index. this really got got our attenti. 59% of americans believe that the united states is currently undergoing the lowest point in its history. this is according to the american psychological association's annual stress in america poll. but notably this includes 56% of those hague 72 and over who lived through pearl harbor, world war ii and 59% of millennials came of age post 9/11. is the most depressing number i've seen published in recent times. and i'll have to tell you some of the news we covered tonight this seems like the number is true. >> what's so striking to me
about that and congruent with the reporting throughout the country, this is not just the bubble. so much of what we talk about has to do with the beltway or perhaps silicon valley bubble or d.c. or new york bubble. no, this is america. and like you've always been so in touch with america, red states, blue states. and even in states where the president won, and the nbc "wall street journal" poll this week showed erosion even in the trump counties and trump states. so there you have it down to the county level. then the cover of the economist this week, they have the bald eagle with donald trump trulike hair and saying endamaged, americas stand in the world. so, brian, it's not normal for the president to walk away from some of the powers of the presidency. rather than projecting power
abroad, rather than at home, acting as the consoler in chief, another power of the presidency. it's not normal for the president to put those aside. so the last time we talked, the president had, the little clip you showed, the president attacking london. after the bike path in new york, you have the president attacking the leader of the democrat of the chuck schumer allowing him to be the country. that's normalal. >> thank you for preserving your role of what normal is should be. the coproducer of axios. thank you. >> never before, brian. happy weekend. >> you too. >> after a break, a story you may not know about someone you've seen on the air on the "the 11th hour" many times before.
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was held by fire. with the command of the company called for air strikes on the positions to facilitate a renewed attack. due to intensity of the heavy casualties including the company commander, the attack stopped, and the friendly troops became disorganized. although wounded by mortar fragments, captain jacobs assumed command of the allied company, ordered withdrawal from the exposed position, and established a defensive per immer. despite bleeding from head wounds, with complete disregard from his safety, returned under intense fire to evacuate a seriously wounded adviser to the safety of a wooded area where he administered life saving first aid. then returned through heavy automatic weapons fire to evacuate the commander. captain jacobs made many troops across the rice paddies evacuating wounded and weapons
of the on three separate occasions he drove off viet cong squads, single handedly killing three and wounding others. his actions and extraordinary heroism saved the life of one u.s. adviser and 13 allied soldiers. through his effort the allied company was restored to effective fighting unit and prevented defeat of the friendly forces by a strong and determined enemy. captain jacobs by his gal anty and bravery in action in the highest traditions of the military service has reflected great credit upon himself, his unit, and the u.s. army. that was the citation for our friend jack jacobs and that is what veterans day should be about, for jack and people who have worn the uniform.
facility as well as another site. so three sites were struck tonight. we just heard from secretary mattis. here's what he said. >> tonight, france, the united kingdom and the united states took decisive action. clearly, the assad regime did not get the message last year. >> general dunford said that syrian surface to air missiles had been engaged at the beginning of the air strikes. they, however, have not reported that there were any u.s. or allied losses as a result of those sam missiles being fired. there was no sign that the russians engaged in any way. general dunford said that the deconfliction hot line was employed but the u.s. did not give russia any advance warning
welcome and thank you all for your time tonight. we're told that u.s. navy warships were used, also b-1 bombers. given your experience in the military, tell us about the capabilities of those two working together >>they're impressive capabili capabiliti capabilities. the navy assets, of course, are really good at what they do. this sent an impressive message tonight, not just that the u.s. is going to stand by its word and the president means what he says, which will alleviate a lot of conflict in the future. when he says something, people won't try to test him. but it sends a strong message to russia and iran that we are serious about standing up for good order in this world and standing with our allies, even
if you bluster. >> let me bring you in here because i had a lengthy conversation with a senior gop lawmaker, very much a hawk on the hill, saying they were worried. they don't think the president's speech was strong enough. they don't think the strikes were broad and impressive enough to send a long-term message. >> well, hopefully -- >>i'm sorry, jason. >> sorry, shannon. hopefully, what they did is actually did deplete the ability to deliver the chemical weapons. if we knew there were chemical weapons in those places, why didn't we go preemptively take that out? i think bringing in france and the uk does send the right message. it begs the question, where are our other partners? where are places like germany? why weren't they with us?
mightily at german hands for the use of chemical weapons. so i just thought that was an interesting historic reference. but then he also mentioned the gulf states and their role in the coalition and what he's expecting now in terms of their participation in the nation-building aspect and the reconstruction aspect after we completely destroy isis and drive the rest of the syrian conflict to hopefully some type of broker negotiation. that was under the guise and in the context of the president wanting to get u.s. soldiers out, to not get bogged down and spend more money and that he's clearly looking at the saudis and the other gulf states to step in there. >> mm-hm. so, dave, now as somebody who has served our country on the front lines, what does it mean to our men and women in uniform? there's been a lot of talk on
the hill and elsewhere about having a long-term strategy, that we need to understand, we already have boots on the ground there, what the long-term plan is for them? do you think this administration has articulated that well enough? do they owe more to the men and women there is this >>certainly they owe more on the long-term plan. they haven't articulated that. what we're very good at is tactical strikes and executing things like this. we're excellent at that. what we're not good is articulating what's the end game with this, where do we go with it. i agree with this strike and where it sits. we go beyond that, and now we're getting into, hey, start telling the american people and the soldiers fighting what you're fighting for. >> like i said, we've been getting a number of reactions from capitol hill. there are republicans and democrats on both sides of this.
what have your republican colleagues says this. these defensive sites are unconstitutional and reckless. speaker ryan has completely abdicated one of his most important responsibilities. where do you come down in this debate? >> he's never supported frankly votes against the defense budgets every time it comes up. he's not a pro-military person whatsoever. i come down. our job in congress is to use money to make differences that way. but the president is commander in chief. and you have a lot of members in congress and the senate that want to feel extremely important, so they say there should be 535 commanders in chief, anytime the president does anything, we have to have a
say. standing against the use of chemical weapons, the president acted reasonably outside of having to get congressional approval. >> what do you make of the role of israel in this whole thing? that's their neighborhood. they're there. we've been hearing that russian president putin has been reaching out this week. they're not going to stand with anything that would allow iran to encroach any closer on their territory. what's their role tonight? >> they've united saudi arabia and israel. it's unbelievable how close they are in terms of their positioning on this. and you look at the proximity on israel. i guarantee you our political leaders are understanding that. jordan is just to the east of israel. they are dealing with hundreds
of thousands of refugees. they too have a vested interest. they are great partners with the united states of america. and again, i think the president did a very strategic limited type of hit tonight. i think it was called for. i think it was right. but i do think it would be stronger long term if the president needs to have continuous action to get the support of congress and put people on the record. make them vote on it. if there's a clear and president danger, the president should do whatever he needs to do. if they're going to be sustained for a long period of time, show the world that the united states congress is behind the president. >> we hear fr from john mccain. he says to succeed in the long run, we need a comprehensive
strategy from syria and the region. also the ongoing conflict in syria and malign russian influence in the region. but they alone will not achieve u.s. objectives in the middle east. what does the president need to say to the american people or to congress to those points? >> there's a few things there. if you look at how the targets were struck, it's interesting that we went after not the air force. one, the syrians moving their air force assets to intermingle with the russians, to raise the bar there in terms of potential escalation. and then two, we are hearing the president wanted to make a much broader strike and stronger statement to stop the syrian capability once and for all, but
general mattis pushing back because he was concerned about russian escalation. to your point of where are we going with this more broadly, i think the administration has been clear that we need to, number one, defeat isis once and for all, but also set the conditions for the return of isis. the last thing we want to do is completely pull out and see isis 3.0 go back. we're looking for others to take on that reconstruction role. but then the second part, to jason's point and to congressman's point, is what are we going to do more broadly about the syrian civil war. we're trying to drive that to a un-brokered resolution. i think we could see some type of potential power sharing arrangement. but the key there is assad must go.
i cannot foresee some broad power sharing agreement with assad still in place, given what he has done so brutally over the last five years. and i think everyone's exactly right. we need to set that broader strategy, what are our goals, and drive towards it. >> i want to give you a chance to wrap up this panel before we check in in jerusalem. >> i think he's right when he talks about we need a broader strategy for the region. we don't know what that is, what our objectives are. and i don't think not hitting the russian pieces was intended just for russia. you don't want to weaken assad so the rebels become emboldened. so i think it was a cautious good strike. we'll see what happens in the future. >> and we always know that when a leader is taken out, there's a vacuum situation, and that bears much caution. all right, thank you very much. panel, if you'll stay with us.
let's check in with mike. >> hey, shannon. right at the start of the strikes, a message came through the twitter account, saying, good souls will not be intimidated. the assessment of the damage is being done. two of the targets struck were previously struck by the israeli air force twice over the past couple of years, insinuating that they were struck with no effect. but the reporting is generally favorable to the assad regime. syrian state tv is claiming that what was hit were scientific research centers. it was a total of three. and what we've heard from the pentagon is what they're calling a scientific research center was
research and development for the chemical weapons. we've got a claim from syrian state tv were the strikes were further north, what was hit was a storage facility. they claim that syrian air defenses did engage at the start of the strike. that was confirmed by the pentagon, who said there was activity. state tv claimed that 13 tomahawk missiles were shot out of the sky. that was not confirmed from the pentagon. in fact, we heard the surface to air defenses that engaged engaged to no effect of the there was no information that they were able to damage any of the u.s. hardware. we have the first statement we've got out of israel. it's a -- reading, last year president trump made clear that the use of chemical weapons crosses a red line. tonight, we enforce that line. syria continues to engage in and
provide a base for murderous actions, including those of iran that put its territory, forces, and leadership at risk. we also have a tweet from the russian ambassador to the u.s., saying, such actions will not be left without consequences. again, the sun is up. the assessment of the damage is beginning. and we've got information that loud speaker trucks are now driving around the neighborhoods in damascus blasting nationalist songs in the wake of the attack. >> as word of the strikes went public, we heard first from the president. he spoke live from the house. and then followed by mattis, dunford. so we want to give you a recap of what they all had to say tonight. >> my fellow americans, a short time ago, i ordered the united states armed forces to launch precision strikes on targets
associated with the chemical weapons capabilities of syrian dictator bashar al-assad. a combined operation with the armed forces of france and the united kingdom is now underway. the assad regime again deployed chemical weapons to slaughter innocent civilians, this time in the town of douma, near the syrian capital of damascus. these are not the actions of a man. they are crimes of a monster instead. following the horrors of world war i a century ago, civilized nations joined together to ban chemical warfare. chemical weapons are uniquely dangerous, not only because they infli inflict gruesome suffering, but because even small amounts are
unleash widespread devastation. the purpose of our actions tonight is to establish a strong deterrent against the production, spread, and use of chemical weapons, establishing this deterrent is a vital national security interest of the united states. the combined american, british, and french response to these atrocities will integrate all instruments of our national power, military, economic, and diplomatic. we are prepared to sustain this response until the syrian regime stops its use of prohibited chemical agents. i also have a message tonight for the two governments most responsible for supporting, equipping, and financing the criminal assad regime. to iran and to russia, i ask,
what kind of a nation wants to be associated with the mass murder of innocent men, women, and children? >> syria and the people have suffered terribly under the prolonged brutality of the ashad regime. on april 7th, the regime decided to again defy the norm of civilized people by using chemical weapons to murder women, children, and other innocents. we and our allies find these atrocities inexcusable. as our commander in chief, our president, has the authority to use military force overseas to defend important united states national interests, the united states has vital national interest and specifically deterring the use and proliferation of chemical
weapons. >> all right, let's bring back our military experts and panel of analysts here. dave, i'll start with you. we talked about russia's influence in the region there. and there have been times when we talked about being united with them and fighting isis and terror elements there. but they do have different interests in that region when it comes to assad and whether he stays or goes. >> they have a foothold that we allowed them to get. they're not going to give that up very easily. iran is the same way. now they're trying to connect this crescent that goes through iraq over the land to lebanon so that they can counter or attack isai israel. we also have turkey. you've got a lot going on. >> well, and congressman, i'll
bring you in here to talk about turkey and the fact that that's an important part of this whole conversation. >> yeah. turkey's important. everything that's going on there is important. what you have right now in syria is this resting place of -- i don't want to use the term empires, but great and super powers, including you -- us. this is not the old soviet un n union. as mike pompeo mentioned the other day, we killed 200 russian mercenaries. we pushed back lethal weapons to ukraine. and my guess is, it is beyond what putin expected and now i would guess he wishes he never entered syria in the first place, but it will be hard to
extract himself. >> people saying that the president wanted to be much more aggressive in moving forward. and yet the generals were cautioning him. they don't want to escalate things with russia beyond any necessary point. they've done precision targeted strikes and yet some worry about the broader message to russia. the president not only called them and iran out tonight, he said this. he referenced 2013 and he said putin promised to guarantee the eliminate nation of these weapons. and basically said, this would not have happen, what happened last week, if putin had kept his word. multiple ways in which the president is trying to put pressure on the russian leader. >> we were assured by john kerry that they didn't have these capabilities during the obama administration. so it wasn't even within the realm of possibility. but what is also i think very
striking is the change in the approach from donald trump. just about a week ago, the president was talking about pulling out of our troops. and others were expressing concern, hey, do we really do that and leave that power vacuum there. again, a very difficult situation on how to find that right balance. but think of the contrast between a week ago what president trump was trying to do, which is bring our troops home, which is where i think his heart is, but then you see the problem in doing so and leaving a vacuum where the iranians and russians want to fill that vacuum. >> there are a lot of people who say the president just signalled days ago he was going to get us out of this mess in syria, and then this chemical weapons attack happens, drawing the u.s. back in, knowing we can't look away from this. there's some things you just cannot not get involved in, when we're talking about innocent women and children and men being
attacked by their own leader. why would assad act in this way? we have our leaders on the record saying they're convinced it was him, that he acted. france and the uk are saying the same. >> and let me give president trump credit where it's due. on the one hand, he's constantly being beat up for being soft on russia. this doesn't look soft on russia to me. syria and assad is absolutely 100% a client state, a surrogate of russia. they are armed by the russians. they've russian equipment. they are trained by the russians. if putin wanted to stop this today, he could do so. so the president is rightly calling the russians out for this atrocity. he also gets beat up in the media and other places for not being a humanitarian and not
caring about humanity. and by all reports, multiple reports, he was incredibly emotionally moved by what was going on with this chemical attacks and the brutal suffering that people undergo, women and children. and yet the previous administration, obama did nothing. and then the third criticism you hear is that he doesn't listen to anyone. in this case, he wanted to take a much stronger stand and have a much broader strike, but his general officer stepped in and urged caution, given the escalation potential with russia, and he listened to him. and we now have a very measured strike. assad is a brutal thug that is using any weapon at his disposal. we have a genocide here that i think history will look back on second only to the holocaust.
and i don't mean to be hyp hyperbolic by saying this. >> and just watching what happened over the scale of seven or eight years now, those numbers continue to grow. and in case you're just now joining us, we're continuing in our breaking news tonight. u.s. military attacks on syria have been carried out, along with our allies in the uk and france. president trump spelled out the purpose in a prime time white house address. he says these precision missile strikes are meant to do one thing: establish a global deterrent against the use of chemical weapons. they are convinced there is proof that assad has used them against his own people multiple times, including last week. let's go back to jennifer griffin. >> hi, shannon. well, defense secretary mattis
joined britain and france in saying that he is certain that assad used chemical weapons on his own people. he said that he received the evidence of that yesterday. defense secretary mattis was joined by chairman of the joint chiefs joe dunford. they spoke about one hour after the strikes began at 9:00 pm eastern. the strikes are over for now and involved three targets. a scientific research center in damascus. there was a chemical storage facility that's about a two-hour drive north of damascus. it is also syria's third largest city. and the third site was a chemical storage facility. the goal, he said, was to stop chemical weapons use and the r&d
and infrastructure was destroyed as a result. they lost expensive chemical weapons precursors and equipment. this was a one-time shot unless assad does not get the message. >> clearly, the assad regime did not get the message last year. this time our allies and we have struck harder. together, we have sent a clear message to assad and his murderous lieutenants, that they should not perpetrate another chemical weapons attack, for which they will be held accountable. >> british tornado war planes took off for cyprus. the u.s. donald cook, a navy destroyer which had about 75 tomahawks on board, was also involved. about twice the munitions as last year were used to send the message.
here's what he said moments ago. >> the president has the authority to use military force overseas to defend important united states national interests. the united states has vital national interest in diverting a worsening catastrophe in syria. >> general dunford said there were no reports of any allied losses. he also said that there was some initial surface to air missile activity from the syrian regime, none from the russian regime however. no russian air defenses seem to have been involved. there was no prenotification of the targets that were going to be struck to the russians, but general dunford did say that they did use the deconfliction hot line. they've done so in the past. he said this wave of air strikes
is over. mattis said, i am confident the syrian regime used chemical weapons. he said they were confident that chlorine had been used and possible sarin gas. fox news was the first to report that b-1 bombers were used in the strike as well. chemical weapons facilities were the only targets. they wanted to minimize the civilian casualties. >> thank you very much. and by the way, you're looking at live pictures there in syria as it is dawn there. the sun is coming up and folks are looking to see, and they will soon have more of an opportunity to see what happened overnight, what damage as been sustained. and we'll learn more, as we understand that it is dawning there in syria and we'll soon get a look at the results of the attacks coordinating in response to that chemical attack last weekend. meanwhile, the president announcing the move tonight.
also, a couple of other shakeups on the national security team this week. >> well, shannon, great to see you. remember, this president campaigned as someone who would not be an interventionist if elected. about a year ago, did in fact intervene in syria before all this because of another chemical weapons attack. at that time, the president saying the images he had seen on television and elsewhere led him to believe that that the assad regime needed to get a message tonight. they're getting a much stronger message. in fact, as we see damascus getting smacked. this president also talked a lot in the campaign and the early days of this administration about the fact that he felt president obama, his predecessor, made a big mistake by laying out that red line in
syria back in 2012, saying that if assad used chemical weapons, that would be a red line and the u.s. would have to respond with action. when president obama did not follow through on that after assad used chemical weapons, donald trump as an outsider attacked him, has since brought that up in recent days again. tonight, he tried to lay out his own rationale for why he's accusation -- acting now. >> establishing this deterrent is a vital national security interest of the united states. the combined american, british, and french response to these atrocities will integrate all instruments of our national power: military, economic, and diplomatic. >> you mentioned that new
national security team. the small group of reporters say that john bolton along with sarah sanders, but that john bolton was reading along with the president, line by line to the side as he delivered those remarks. contrast that with mattis, the defense secretary, who has been urging more caution. >> we'll check back in shortly. thank you very much. there's been this ongoing debate about whether the president needs congressional authorization to do what he's done tonight in syria. he's tracking all the response from both sides of the aisle.
>> paul ryan praised the united states military for taking decisive active in syria. we are resolved. his regime's unconscionable brutally cannot be tolerated. pinpointed limited action to punish and deter assad from doing this again is appropriate. the lawmakers need more information to determine the scope and effectiveness on this action. the commander in chief must outline the mission. >> in syria today, we cannot answer those basic fundamental questions. so to have a commander in chief
who refuses to give that kind of guidance is a disservice to our country, our constitution, and to our troops on the ground. >> now, house speaker paul ryan has said he thinks the president has the authority under preexisting military authorizations. he says he's worried about tying the militaries hands when they're facing threats around the globe, including groups like isis. >> mattis made it clear yesterday that the administration doesn't feel they need the authority. i disagree. i think that the misreading of the constitution. i also think we've strained the 9/11 aumf to its breaking point. i've got an idea, keep us here over the weekend. >> congress is not expecting to be here over the weekend.
we'll see whether there's appetite to debate and ultimately vote or whether lawmakers prefer to look the other way and allow the commander in chief to do what he feels is necessary. >> live for us on capitol hill tonight. thank you, mike. we're getting reaction at this hour there now russia and syria. they've been called out. iran as well, by this president. what are we hearing tonight? >> yeah, absolutely. we were watching with reaction from the russian government. they claim these strikes are an attack against them. syria right now is the battle ground for a number of different conflicts and a few proxy wars that are ongoing there. it will russian ambassador to the united states has just provided a statement. again, we are being threatened. we warned that such actions will not be left without
consequences. insulting the president of russia is unacceptable. >> now, over the past several days, the uk, the u.s., france, and others have fought with russia at the united nations security council over there. russia has denied it and blamed the british government for staging it. the u.s. says that russians enabled the syrian government to carry out these attacks. it also says it normalized chemical weapons use, which is the reason they push back in these manner. but just yesterday in his senate confirmation hearing, the secretary of state mike pompeo
knowledging publicly that the u.s. military has already killed russians. those russians were mercenaries fighting with forces there. now, russian, iran, and turkey met last week to discuss the future of syrian. the iranian government has yet to react from this. but we are getting a tweet from the syrian government. this is a translation from the associated press saying, "good souls will not be humiliated." while pompeo waits for his confirmation vote in the u.s. senate, sullivan is down in peru at an international summit. >> tonight at the state department. thank you very much. we're going to take you back to our military and government experts so we can check in with
them. thank you all for sticking around with us. there was a caution tonight from secretary of defense mattis. he said, "we know that as the sun comes up there and things are assessed, there will be a disinformation campaign." what do you expect to see? you expect to see the russians continuing to question whether the assad regime was responsible. i think you're going to see perhaps claims of civilian casualties. you're going to also maybe even see claims of russians being harmed or killed. and then i would not be surprised if you also saw claims of american planes, british or french planes being shot down in this kind of boisterous display of russian and syrian prowess. another point that i want to
make that's also watching this very closely as the sun comes up, is north korea and kim parts and supplies moving from north korea into syria. it's worth remembering that the israelis bombed a nuclear reactor in syria. >> well, and that brings me to his comments. in part, he says this. president trump opted to sustain the attacks if assad doesn't learn his lesson. they might want to learn the
easy way. so how much do you think, as michael talked about, this was a message beyond just syria? >> well, i believe in the message of peace through strength. i think a strong united states of america, when you have a strong president who will actually do what he says, it makes a difference and makes the world more peaceful. look at what happened with barack obama. he drew a red line, they went over it, and he did nothing and the world became less and less safe. you can't trust the russians. they went went into georgia. so you can't trust the russians. you have iranians who have nefarious intentions. we gave them over $100 billion in a ridiculous deal with iran. and now you've got president trump, who is going to be viewed by the world, that he will
actually do what he says he's going to do. and that makes the world a safer place. no one wants to see the military action, but blame that on assad and those supporting him. and they need to know that donald trump will actually take action. >> we've heard a lot of talk tonight about the fact that he campaigned about a lot of people voted for him on the fact that he would extricate from a lot of places overseas. tonight he said this. he said, america does not seek an indefinite presence in syria under no circumstances. as other nations step up their contributions, we look forward to the day when we can bring our warriors home, and great warriors they are. you continue to be one of them. how important do you think that part of the message was tonight? >> i think it's a good part of the message. we do want to get out of these places. we want the afghan government to stand up on its own and govern
itself and our men and women come home. we want to say in iraq and syria. it's interesting though, getting behind the desk of the oval office is a very sobering position. and sitting down and realizing that there are massive strategic objectives out there, that the united states plays a vital role in, is very sobering. and seeing in syria people choking to death on gas. that has a different impact on you when you're the president. knowing that the iranians are on the doorstep of israel has a very sobering effect to you. and i think the president has responded very well to this burden of leadership. and america as a unique role to play. >> he said it's a very troubled place in middle east. but america can go around and purge the whole world of evil.
but the fate of the region lies in the hands of its own people. >> absolutely. i love that quote, too. the fate of the region lies in the hands of its own people. they need to take some responsibility, or all of it, for their region. there seems to be a recurring theme here of our intervention, whether it's the west europe or united states, is putting a different dynamic in place that's causing a lot of the chaos or at least contributing to it. so we need to try and extricate ourselves from it. >> the embassy here in the u.s. saying we have warned that such actions will not will left without consequences. all responsibility for them rests with washington, london, and paris.
but we know that they did all of the normal back channeling that you do when you have to deconflict and area. they said they didn't coordinate with the russians. but it sounds like we were very careful to make it clear to them, get your people out of there, get away from certain targets. we don't want to escalate this beyond what we have to. when you hear this from the russians, is it just talk to look tough with their own people? do you think there is some understanding between these two powers? we're trying to keep this from turning into anything more than it has to be. >> they have a domestic audience as well. and putin is a master at -- and he's been playing maybe a pair of nines at best the last decade. the economy's in shambles. their military, except for a very small elite force, is antiquated and still in a
conscript, all draft force. this is a lot of bluff. but there are some very real considerations. and those were some of secretary mattis's concerns. we do have about 2,000 soldiers on the ground that we had to consider. we also had a number of ships out in the mediterranean, the russians in both their naval and their air bases now have put their most sophisticated missile systems that can project anti-denial territory type of strategy where they can essentially push our ships and also our aircraft off with these missile systems. there was a lot to consider here. and that's where i thought you were getting some caution and secretary mattis putting his foot on the brakes a little bit. >> please stick with us.
i want to check in with kristen fisher. she is here now with more on how britain and france have gotten involved, what they're saying tonight. >> president trump made it clear that the u.s. is not going it alone in syria, that this is a coordinated effort with our allies. and the president has spoken repeatedly this week with may and macron and over the last 24 hours and 48 hours, they've been mulling over their options. and all three are defending their decision to take military action. macron said, "the red line has been cross. so i ordered the french armed forces to intervene tonight as part of an international operation and coalition with the united states of the network and the united kingdom and directed at the clandestine chemical
arsenal of the syrian regime." she said it was not a decision that she took lightly. she's received a lot of opposition to it. but she really didn't feel like she had a choice, that syria had crossed the line. and she put out a statement that said, there is no practical alternative to the use of force by the syrian regime. this is not about intervening in a civil car. it is about a limited and targeted strike. so from may to macron to secretary mattis at the pentagon, we are hearing that this is a limited targeted strike aimed at the assad regime and not at russia or iran. >> back to our military experts now. it's interesting that we're getting reaction from both sides of the aisle. it's kind of a mixed bag. some who think that the
administration needs to be talking to congress for any further authorization. chuck schumer is praising limited action to punish and deter him from doing this again. but he says he's cautioning the administration into getting us further into syria. and we know that the president has said that's something he doesn't want. >> there's some conflict in some of the message. i can almost look at these as two separate events, our involvement in syria that's been ongoing with isis, and then a limited strike response to a chemical weapons usage. and i think if we separate those, let's get a handle on it and make this very measured, narrow, and well-defined this is about the chemical weapons. it's about syria's use. everything else is a different problem set. they bleed over, but let's try and separate these for now. we need to have the larger
objectives. what are we trying to do? and there is a lot of dissonance on that. >> there's been a lot of disagreement. there even was to the level of what this strike would be. i'm sure you've heard much more of the inside chatter than i have. but it sounds like it was coming to a head with the president wanting to do something aggressive and his generals saying let's be precise about this. he has great respect for the military. he's made that clear. but when it came down to it, it seems like this is potentially a compromise between the two. >> in the words of george w. bush, ultimately the president is the decider. it's the president's decision. and i think that needs to be very clear here, too. i do want to talk about something quickly very broadly, which is the whole idea of syria. there's a lot of talk about let's stay out of syria and not do anything.
the reason isis exists right now is because of bashar al-assad's brutality. so i think this was a very important move by the president tonight, but long term, these are strategy talks that we're going to have to have as americans. but there's no doubt that tonight it sucks to be russian because they got embarrassed and i think we made a very strong statement. >> something else we heard from the pentagon tonight, mattis, who has been pressed this week to step up and say that this was assad using chemical weapons on his own people. he said that they are fairly confident that there was chlorine gas used, yes. they're not ruling out sarin. but for now he said this is a one-time strike. we'll see if assad tries again with chemical weapons. and this was completely tied to the issue of chemical weapons and not any broader issues with
isis or anything else with ashad -- assad's regime. >> yeah, i do think -- we pour a lot of money in this country. the american people fund a lot of intelligence. this is where you have to have the very best intelligence. you've got your satellites that are engaged. and then the human intelligence to make sure you're making the proper decision, that you know where those targets are. sometimes it's hard to see in the future when you spend literally billions of dollars to do that. if we knew about these three facilities before this chemical attack happened, why didn't we take it out before it was used? assad has supposedly over the last year, there are 30 different accounts, some verified, some a little iffy,
where there were potentially chemical weapons used. maybe what we ought to be doing is something a little bit more proactive. they don't even have that capable. secretary john kerry told us they didn't have this capability, but obviously they did. >> now we have a whole other situation. michael, to you, russia and iran have put down some serious roots there. it has moved and it has metastasized. what is to be left of syria? how does this eventually come to any kind of resolution, political, military, or otherwise? >> we've talked a lot tonight about russia's involvement with syria. and i mentioned a while ago that the syrians are armed and particularly their military is largely aligned with russia both tactically, and from an equipment standpoint. but make no mistake. iran is equally to blame here.
and spiritually, particularly with the -- there is a close alignment, very close alignment with iran. there are weekly flights to damascus, some say even daily flights. iran has its irgc and army on the ground, along with other militias that they're shipping in from afghanistan and other parts of the middle east. i am absolutely thrilled to see the president explicitly call iran and russia out for this behavior and they are 100% responsible. how does all of this end and where does it go? i think we have to -- at some point, iran and russia have to be responsible actors theory and move this country and move this
conflict towards some type of peaceful resolution. >> but, dave, does that serve their interests? >> i think russia can be pragmatic. so russia can sit sl -- sit there and say, "what am i going to gain and lose from this?" iran has established themselves on an -- their goal is to destroy israel. that's not russia's goal. it's to expand its influence in the region. so they're looking at this as strategically positioning of their forces and expanding their influence. iran, no. you can influence via stick only. and that could be economic, too. >> and, shannon, this is also key as we're heading into key
he's said the word spy 17 times since last friday. adam schiff who was at the second meeting said he heard no evidence of a spy in the campaign today. >> there is no evidence to support any allegation that the fbi or any intelligence agency placed a spy in the trump campaign or otherwise failed to follow appropriate procedures and protocols. >> well, cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash joins us now. she's got new reporting on rudy giuliani's takes on the briefings today. i know you talked to giuliani about emmitt flood and how he ended up in the briefings. what did he say? >> that's right. i talked to him a couple of times tonight before coming on. i did ask him if emmitt went to these meetings at the behest of the president or maybe under orders of the president? he says he hasn't told him the answer is yes, but rudy giuliani tells me he assumes that was the reason why flood went, because
the president, his client, and the person who emmitt flood now works for inside the white house wanted him to be there. now, anderson, you mentioned the context of this, of why this is even a story. in the beginning but i can tell you as someone who's covered capitol hill for many, many years, the protocol for most if not all so-called gang of eight meetings, when the intelligence community or the law enforcement community is briefing the top intelligence lawmakers and leadership about issues like this, the white house isn't there. and that's even under the most benign circumstances. this adds a layer of the fact that the white house, meaning the president, is part of the investigation that they're talking about, which makes it so unbelievably unprecedented. >> right, the idea that the president or what rudy giuliani believes, that the president would have told the presidential attorney, flood, to go along with john kelly and address both
investigation of the facts, which is what gang of eight investigations is supposed to be. >> and this is too rich. i mean if you look at the underlying allegation here, that the fbi sent someone into a scenario in order to gather information inappropriately, i think that's what you saw today. like when you take a conflicted party like the president's lawyer who was hired to refute these allegations of russian collusion, he's obviously going to report back. i spent the better part of today giving the white house the benefit of the doubt. i described this as a perception problem. they don't understand this just looks bad to send someone in. but rudy giuliani to come out and say this is strategy, we're going to learn what he said and incorporate that into the investigation that's the definition of inappropriateness. >> flood was brought in for a possible impeachment fight was there for at least the beginning of the briefing today as far as we know. >> look, we've seen so many examples of the norms being
shattered, and this is a pretty explosive example, i think. and the reason is because, as i said, this isn't just about kind of the protocols which were not followed in that -- they had to fight, they the democrats, and even some republicans had to fight for the democratic leaders and the lead democrats from the intelligence committees even to be briefed in the first place. this time yesterday we rurnt sure that was going to happen. then when it happened the fact that it included somebody from the white house, whether or not he gave a statement at the top or he sat for the briefing it's sort of not even relevant. it is unbelievably, really unprecedented. and this is again not just in covering it, this is from talking from people who have been involved in these kinds of briefings for years who have said they've never seen anything like it. >> jeff, i also don't understand
the rationale they're giving that he was there to express the president's desire for transparency. that just seems -- >> also at this late stage in the investigation, they know what the president's position in transparency is. this investigation has been going on a long time. this looks what rudy giuliani said it was, which was an information gathering and advocacy mission by the president's chief of staff and his lawyer about something, a factual matter that congress is looking into. but that's not where they're supposed to be. it's a congressional investigation, and it is as dana keeps pointing out, the gang of eight, four democrats, four republicans, four from the house, four from the senate. it's a formal process that is meant to be neutral in its political orientation. and to have the president's lawyer in there is just wildly inappropriate. >> jeff, what impact do you think it has on chris ray of the
fbi, dana coats, the fbi. >> for any officer of the government who's charged with running a human source their job is going to become harder to help convince someone to come to their side. you likely went into that meeting with eight members of congress who again are known to be a little loose lipped, knowing that anything you said in that meeting could make it to the air waves. that's an unusual place to be in. but i think it's interesting when you look at what may have happened. i think it's safe to assume there wasn't some giant revelation of impropriety on the part of the fbi. and i think the reason we know that is we didn't see chairman nunes tripping over the microphones racing to his colleagues to tell us what he learned. >> and all of this is from adam schiff so far. >> right, and that's not much
except that he indicated that there was nothing to suggest that there were nefarious spies as the president and his aides are suggesting. >> and nunlz and gowdy reportedly didn't see the documents, they wanted, right? >> right. and that's a whole other issue, that this is not over politically when it comes to the pre-'s allies on capitol hill. everybody from mark meadows to others who kind of started the ball rolling demanding from the doj that they get to see information about this, they weren't satisfied with the briefings that were set up in the first place. so you're right, the fact that they seem to have gotten even less access than they thought that they would means that the sort of drum beat is going to continue from capitol hill. >> dana's making an important point here because this conflict as she says is not resolved between the house republicans in
the white house on one side and the justice department on the other is perhaps an attempt to force rod rosenstein to resign in protest or to fire him, which is something that the white house has been itching to do for a long time. so the fact that this crisis isn't over is very significant. >> thanks to everybody. a lot more ahead including more breaking news. we're learning not only did the president turn down a meeting with kim jong-un, his team also said no back enjanuary to robert mueller. more details on that. also north korea's reaction after the plug is pulled on the summit. we're live in north korea ahead. allergies with sinus congestion and pressure? you won't find relief here. go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d. while the leading allergy spray relieves 6 symptoms... claritin-d relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. claritin-d relieves more. ♪ ♪
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and have the president sit down. so there was a meeting with mueller. he suggested let's get the president on january 27th and laid out 16 subjects, and the president's legal team listened to it. they met among themselves later on, and they were even thinking oh, maybe we can have this at kac camp david, might be a good place, we could do this on a saturday. and then after thinking about it, and there was some disagreement among the president's lawyers. but the lead of the president's team john dowd on january 29th sent mueller a letter, a 20-page letter which one source says the president read and approved saying there's no way we are going to do this both for constitutional issues, and we believe that you have all the information that you need from the millions of documents that we've handed over to you. >> and right around that time the president was actually sounding sort of enthusiastic about talking to special
counsel. >> he was. on january 24th when reporters asked him, and here's the quote, i'm looking forward to it actually. that he would have liked to have an interview, but and i think he probably was telling the truth at at that time. i think after the michael cohen i've been told the president said, no way, i'm not going to do it. and you've seen them ratcheting up their attack on mueller and his team and the investigators since that point. >> i also understand you have reporting about meetings between the president's legal team and mueller that happened two months later in march. >> right. so, you know, after this happened in january there was kind of a lull. because the mueller team and the trump team were on very different places. so they had a meeting on march 5th and another one on march 12th. but at the march 5th meeting, i'm told by a source, mueller reiterated that he needed to see the president, he needed to talk to the president because he
needed to know his intent before making certain decisions in his presidency. and of course we know what that refers to, is the firing of james comey. and at this point mueller has not changed his mind, and the trump team remains pretty entrenched about not having the president testify as you keep hearing publicly from giuliani. >> gloria, thanks very much. more legal aid now. john dean. he has seen these things from the inside. he was white house counsel to president nixon. what does it say the president was even one time closer to sitting down with robert mueller? >> not only his legal team in terms of the personnel has changed and been a revolving door but the strategy has changed. so at one point with a different set of players it sounds like they were negotiating and they
were perhaps had one set of constitutional concerns and now maybe there's a different set of constitutional concerns. so the legal strategy, the legal analysis and then the actual approach in dealing with the special counsel's office just constantly seems influx. >> and john, certainly things are not what they were back in january to say the least. a lot has happened since then including the raid on michael cohen's office. what do you think the odds are of the president sitting down to an interview without a fight at this point? >> i think there will be a fight. i don't think its his option either, anderson. i think what we're witnessing is very trumpian. where he is on all sides and all moods at different times and different stages of his thinking. and i think it's only going to be resolved as it has been with other presidents who had to appear, the threat of the subpoena will bring him to a decision very quickly. and i'm not sure he can win in court. i think indeed the law favors
the special counsel and the supreme court. i looked at the number of precedent setting instances where ken starr went to the supreme court and how quickly he got those rulings, for example, on the protective privilege for secret service testifying. he broke that privilege and did it very quickly. so these things can happen faster rather than slow. >> i wonder what you think about that, because the argument the president's legal team is making is because they believe mueller is following the justice department guidelines and that a sitting president can't be indicted, that the president can't be subpoenaed for something which is an unindictable offense. >> there is no specific case on point about whether or not a sitting president has to appear before a grand jury to give oral testimony. so there's document cases, but
there's not something on the specific issue. so it could be litigated. it seems like the president's team is leaning towards trying to drag this out and leaning towards perhaps forcing the special counsel's office to make that decision to serve a subpoena and fight it out in court. the irony is that the longer they drag this out, they increase the chances that the president will do more things that could add to the obstruction case. so the longer this drags out he could fire more people. he could sort of verbally or through twitter intimidate witnesses. he could do other things in terms of his coordination with congress, trying to unearth things about the investigation that have the tendency to disrupt it. so there is actually i think a jeopardy in them dragging this out as well. >> john, cnn reported this week that the president's legal team, they're trying to narrow the scope on any possible interview to russia related matters. no questions on possible obstruction of justice. can you see any possible
situation in which the special counsel agrees to that? >> it's an interesting argument that they would have no ability to restrict what happened before he became president and then have an ability to restrict under an executive privilege theory once he became president. it's never been litigated as we've just noted. i don't think it'll play either. i think that once they get it in there they're not going to agree to the questions. we've seen the breadth of the proposed topics they want to discuss, as gloria's reporting showed earlier today. and they're all over it, and trump is not going to be able to control that. >> john dean, just curious given that you lived through watergate, what do you make of the president's efforts to tag this using the term "spygate" clearly having a reference towards watergate and basically saying if it's true it's the biggest political story ever.
>> well, it seems he's taken -- got his hands on the fog machine that rudy giuliani has been handling. and he's just trying to put smoke out there, and it's not going to hold up. i think the briefing today pretty well showed this was standard operating procedure by the fbi, and if anything the fbi was protecting him and not spying on him but rather being cautious in how they proceeded, trying to see if these people even knew they were dealing with potential russian infiltration of some kind. so the spyigate doesn't work for me at all. coming up north korea has just reacted to the president calling off the summit with kim jong-un. there's been a lot of question marks and anxiety what they might say given the stakes. a rare live report from inside north korea as well. how do you win at business? stay at laquinta. where we're changing with contemporary make-overs. then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab.
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have this long planned meeting. therefore please let this letter serve to represent that the singapore summit for the of both parties that the meeting not take place. can you plain how this summit fell apart. >> reporter: a senior white house official says it was canceled after a series of breaken praur broken promises and odd judgment calls on the part of the north koreans. the things started to sour last week. they were essentially stood up by the north korean, they never showed up. they said that a number of inquiries they sent to north korea went unanswered. so that was a big red flag also came at a time when north korea had a change in tone. they released a statement last week for criticizing the u.s. asking korea to disarm and pull out of the summit. and then you had a statement
from kim last night from north korea calling the vice president a political dummy and threatening nuclear war. so you had all of that on top of the fact that kim jong-un had been a little bit skittish, showing some skittishness about flying to singapore. there was still a big distance on certain issue. so there was growing skepticism up until this point. but it really all culminated with that statement from north korea which led to this letter the president sent to kim jong-un today. i'm told that the administration had been expecting a response from north korea through national security channels. they knew there would be a response to mike pence's statements he made on fox news talking about the libya model. but when they received that statement from north korea threatening nuclear war, that is when the president met with his national security team, and the prevailing option on the table last night was just pull out of the summit. the president wanted to sleep on it, and that letter was sent this morning.
>> while the president did threaten military action this morning, he did leave it open for the summit to happen. >> that's right. in a letter he sent to kim jong-un on one hand he's boasting about the military prowess in the united states, and on the other hand he's inviting kim jong-un to call him or write to him. the president has signaled that he still wants this summit to happen even if it doesn't happen on june 12th as originally planned. i white house officials today what would it take for the summit to be back on track, and basically said the administration would need to see the opposite of what it has seen from north korea this past week for it to happen. >> even as the summit was being called off north korea was taking steps to scale back its nuclear program, destroying nuclear test sites. will ripply joins us now from north korea. first of all, when the news broke that president trump was pulling out of the summit you were actually the one to break the news to north korean
officials there. how did they react? how did that play out? >> reporter: we were on the train riding back from the nuclear test site, and it was late at night. we were actually getting ready to go to bed when i got the phone call. and look, it was incredibly awkward and uncomfortable. they didn't give me a response but they immediately got up and got on the phone and i assume were relaying the message up to the office of kim jong-un. i assumed we were the first ones to tell the message to the north koreans. when they came out with this more measured diplomatic response it shows the north koreans still want these talks to move forward despite some of the rhetoric in recent days. >> what were you able to see today? >> reporter: we were on the ground for more than nine hours. it was surprising. it took us more than 15 hours to get there, and they showed us each of the tunnels north korea has used to give up six nuclear
tests. they opened up the doors. we could see they were rigged with explosives as far as the eye could see. then we moved up to the ravine and watched them blow up the tunnels one by one. it was pretty dramatic images, but it was hard to know exactly what we were seeing, like how deep the explosions went, for example. >> there's no way, i guess, to verify the north korean claims that the tunnels are permanently unusable. >> reporter: that's right. because we didn't have any nuclear weapons experts in the group. they were not invited in. it was only journalists. and north koreans said, look, you've seen it with your own eyes. and our point was we saw explosions, but we don't know how it looks. could bulldozers go in and open it up tomorrow or is it really permanently -- there is some
skepticism from people because experts weren't invited it was really this step towards denuclearization with the north korea's claim it was. but for them to blow it up and then a couple minutes latthe sut was canceled, it was really a surreal moment. much more ahead on this. we're going to talk about the north korean response to the president's letter and what could happen next. sometimes a day at the ballpark is more than just a day at the ballpark. [park announcer] all military members stand and be recognized. sometimes fans cheer for those who wear a different uniform.
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korea? >> look, it's really interesting because those are the very words that the north korean vice minister who i met back in 2008 over the same kind of issue, he used those words. and he said those words were in response to as he called it a resistance to the u.s. as he said unacceptable and disgraceful attempt to pressure north korea into unilateral disarmament ahead of the summit. so that's obviously how they're seeing what was going on. and i've spoke to u.s. officials who have also been on this. and they said, look, frankly the cart was put in front of the horse from the beginning. that there were no parameters. the actual technical work had not been done to decide what were the red lines, what were the negotiations, what was the step by step process. so not enough work had been done
to have a summit between two leaders, between the president of the united states and the leader of north korea. >> do you think that played a big role? i mean in the administration, this was -- usually summits are started from the bottom up. there's a lot of groundwork that's done, a lot of meetings, weeks, months, if not years in some cases and the two leaders meet and shake hands and sign something. do you think it was partly that there were a lot of details to work out? >> certainly. we were not prepared to have this summit just a few weeks away. but i have to say i think kim jong-un was actually not planning to cancel the meeting by this statement that was made by his other deputy. they were actually trying to signal to washington they were very displeased about all this talk about libya which is nightmare scenario with libya. they didn't appreciate this talk, they weren't going to cave
to u.s. pressure. but i think they wanted this meeting, which is why north korea released a statement which is very measured, tempered and disciplined for north korean standards. so i think that message didn't come across to washington. we just thought they were being very aggressive. but north koreans were trying to send a signal and it was just lost in translation, the whole thing was. >> max, you tweeted about how president trump canceled the summit with quote, the kind of letter he would have written to a high school crush with whom he was breaking up. i take it you're not impressed with his style of diplomacy? >> this is just the latest episode of trump-style diplomacy. this comes after a few days of his attempts to reach a trade deal with china also crashed and burned. and he had to kind of admit that he hadn't achieved anything. he hadn't achieved $200 billion in reductions of the u.s. china trade deficit. and you see what happened in the case of north korea. he rushed into the summit with
no preparation without any kind of groundwork you need to lay for such an undertaking. and he hyped up expectation tuesday the ceiling. a month ago he said north korea was -- the white house was mintsi minting coins and all of a sudden over the last week or two things spiralled downward and they said, wait a second the north koreans are not actually going to denuclearize. so they rushed into the summit with high expectations and now has kind of backed out of it, which i think is the right thing to do at this point. but it just shows the same style he used in business, which by the way led him to six corporate bankruptcy, he's now applying to the business of the united states. >> do you see a scenario in which the summit does take place
whether it's on the original date or a later date some time this summer? >> look, it's hard to imagine it happening on the original date. but, again, many diplomats, people who have been working this issue for a long time, especially on the u.s. side, they do see both sides want to have a summit. it was clear from president trump's body language that he's pretty disappointed because of this and he also wanted this sort of historic summit and all the things that they've been saying that he wanted to take away from it. so it might happen some time down the line, but it's clear a huge amount of proper work needs to be done. however, there's also a bit of a problem brewing because what president trump has done similar to dissing his european allies at the last minute on iran. remember macron of france came to the united states, trying to persuade him that diplomacy was the right way to go with iran and to keep the deal. and the minute he's on a plane
back to france the president pulls out of that deal, similar with the south korean president who was in washington a couple of days ago basically as a u.s. official told me betting the farm on this diplomacy and being the intermediary, only to land back in seoul and find this whole rug has been pulled out from under him. so we're being told it's possible that the chinese may now step in and be the main mediators if you like. otherwise this may have given china a much bigger role than it might have had had if just been going between the u.s. and north and south korea. so we'll wait to see what happens. >> is this a win for kim jong-un even if the summit never happens simply by being legitimized by a sitting president and having a sitting president reach out to me and call me, that's something the north korean leadership has wanted for quite a while. >> no, absolutely.
and since the olympics and agreeing to meet with him, now kim jong-un has had a makeover and now he's had this statement. and he has actually loosened or weakened political will for sanctions when it comes to china. and he also put a wedge between u.s. and south korean alliances as christiane was just talking about. south korea was completely just floored by this, by trump just scrapping the meeting. when president moon was here he was assured this meeting would take place. kim has gained a lot here without even sitting down with president trump. >> what we're seeing, anderson, is better evidence that trump is better at breaking deals than making deals. he's pulled out the paris
climate accord, most recently the iran nuclear deal. he says he's the world's greatest deal maker. there's no evidence of that so far. is he going to negotiate a deal with iran? there doesn't seem to be a plan deal after pulling out of the iran nuclear deal, and now he negotiated those high hopes and maybe the summit will still take place at some point, but he's not living up to his hype as a deal maker. >> that's the thing about a summit between the dictator of north korea and the president of the united states, that would be perhaps in future administrations a reward for some sort of behavior change and action on the part of north korea, which it's sort of done backwards. >> it's backwards. and trump consistency shows his contempt for established norms and established way of doing things. he trusts his gut. he doesn't want to listen to advisers, read briefing players. clearly the evidence of his presidency he shows that's not the case. he's not reaching these great
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first place. >> what has stone said about all of this? >> stone has denied he had anything to do with the russian collusion, and he and his allies now believe essentially this is a witch-hunt to try to pin him on anything and bring down a long-time ally of the president. i will read a portion of the statement stone gave me where he said the special counsel now seems to be combing through every molecule of my existence including my personal life and business affairs to conjure up some offense to charge me with, either to silence me or induce me to testify against the president. stone insists he will never turn against for the president. as for the special counsel's team, they're not commenting. >> thanks very much. a lot more ahead including the briefing on the hill about the investigation. also, north korea responds to president trump calling off the summit. first, a preview of the cnn original series "1968," a special two-night event starting this sun at 9:00 p.m. eastern. take a look. ♪
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passed. a little better prioritization of spending. i certainly don't like playing shutdown politics. >> and how damaging would that be for republicans ahead of the november races? >> i don't think it would be helpful, so let's try and avoid it. >> reporter: now, fred, sources close to so mume of my cnn colleagues on capitol hill have heard from people close to the republican leadership. house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell had a meeting with president trump earlier this week telling him that appropriation bills were moving forward smoothly in a bipartisan fashion. they told him they didn't want anything to distract or derail potentially the supreme court nomination of brett kavanaugh. a government shutdown certainly would. sources indicated the president was receptive to their message, but obviously on twitter he is threatening one yet again, fred. >> all right, boris sanchez in new jersey. thank you so much. so this court ordered deadline to reunite children separated
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mother and daughter, who had traveled here for a month from el el salvador. they were briefly detained, never separated. they were getting on a bus from mcallen to go meet family in indianapolis. they're there now awaiting their first court date. but there you see, fred, timing is everything for what these families are having to endure. so much uncertainty still ahead for so many. >> and such a variety of experiences too. all right. kaylee hartung, thank you so much. so the president will also make a big push for republican candidatin candidates this week. he's hosting rallies in pennsylvania and florida, two states the president won in 2016, but with just 100 days until midterm elections, democrats are gearing up to flip as many seats as they can. cnn's john king has been analyzing how republicans could maintain control of both houses of congress and how drrtds could pu -- democrats could pull off a congressional upset. >> 100 days now until the midterm elections and new cnn
rankings give the democrats even more reason to feel bullish about their odds of retaking the big prize, control of the house of representatives. to the campaign trail in a second. first, though, a reminder of the current state of play. let's look at the house as we speak today. 235 republicans. that's the majority. you see the red seats. democrats in the minority with 193. but that's the state of play here in washington. let's take a look at hour new rankings on the campaign trail. you will see 235 republican seats. we rank only 158 of them as solid republican going into the final stretch of the campaign. 29 likely, 18 lean republican. you see the yellow, the gold. that's 27 toss-up seats. strong number for the democrats. 182 solid, 9 likely, 12 leaning democratic seats. how do the democrats get to the majority? here's their dream scenario. win the likelies, win the leans. if they could sweep these toss-ups, that's the gold, 230 if the democrats essentially run the board. well in excess of what they need to be the majority.
a lot can happen between now and then, but heading into this final stretch, democrats believe their odds are quite good of retaking the biggest prize this november, control of the house. >> all right. john king, thank you so much for that. my next guest is a democrat running for re-election in illinois. thank you so much for being with me. how are you feeling going into midterms? just 100 days away. >> i feel good. i think there's a lot of energy out there among democrats. i think that the question is whether that's going to translate into votes. i think it is. i think people are very aware of the kons kwenconsequences of no. i think 2016 is seared in the memory of a lot of democrats. i think people see democrats increasingly connecting to the working families that are so important for victories in all of those toss-up seats and all the other toss-up seats we need. >> i want to talk to you about
the president's approach 100 days out. he's tweeted out, says he's willing to shut down the government over funding for his border wall. how do you see that as beneficial strategy for republicans? >> i think that would be a tremendous mistake for the president for two reasons. it's bad policy and bad politics. people are very, very, very upset about our current immigration policies. the separation of children from their parents just being the latest example of really, really bad policies. i just visited some of these children that have yet to be reunited with their parents. i visited them on friday. it's a heart-wrenching example of immigration policy that's gone in a very bad direction. then, you know, most democrats and indeed many republicans are opposed to a wall in the first place. it's just a bad approach to handling our immigration policy.
>> so then what will be the consensus for democrats to try to win over perhaps more moderate voters in districts that could potentially flip? >> i think the best way to win over these voters is to talk about those bread and butter issues that affect working families. for instance, health care. this president and the administration have really tried to destabilize the insurance markets, hurting a lot of people. premiums have skyrocketed since the president tried to repeal the aca. the tax bill is very unpopular in a lot of parts of illinois where i represent. a lot of the benefits are going to the top 1% of income holders. and it's saddling future generations with trillions of dollars in debt. then the last thing, as people are very upset that the president appears to hold himself above the law. they're upset about the fact that the russians did interfere in our democracy.
we're not doing ourselves to protect ourselves from the russians. the president and some of his allies in congress are attacking the fbi, the very people that are trying to protect our democracy from the russians and other malign actors. >> so in addition to showcasing some of those issues, how much are democrats kind of pinning their hopes on new blood? you know, such as alexandra ocasio-cortez and her stunning upset in new york? is there a feeling that going after, you know, the younger, more diverse candidates is advantageous? >> i think we need a congress that reflects the diversity of our country. the fact that so many diverse candidates have ended up winning their primaries on the democratic side and are running in the general election is a good thing. i think that the more that we have candidates that reflect their constituency, the better.
i think that we're going to end up taking the majority because of that. >> the economy, the economy always an incredible motivation in any race, midterm or general election. and this strong economic report out this past week with the gdp at 4.1%, the economy is growing at the fastest pace on record since 2014. so this will be an advantage for republicans. does this mean democrats will stay away from this, find a way in which to see this as an asset for you? what? >> no, i think obviously a lot of people know that the recovery started during the obama administration. that's in part why he was re-elected. the president was in 2012. it's continued into the trump presidency. i think the president currently should continue to build on what he inherited. but the question is this. do working families feel like they are included in the economy?
do they feel like they're on the up escalator of the economy, so to speak? a lot of folks feel pinched in the middle class. i just passed a bill in congress in the senate and the house, and now it's going to be signed into law which basically tries to modernize our career technical education system for the two-thirds of americans who are not going to get a four-year college degree. it's so important we focus on the priorities of those working families and continue to connect with them. if we do, we will likely get their attention for the other issues that we care about as well. >> congressman, thanks so much. good to see you. >> thank you so much. all right. straight ahead in the newsroom, heartbreak in california as a fast-moving wildfire claims the lives of three more people, the fire scorchesing hundreds of homes and buildings. and he said, he said. rudy giuliani now accusing michael cohen of doctoring the tape of the president seemingly
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>> reporter: well, fred, i want to show you the front page of the local newspaper because i think it pretty much tells the story here. it says "no end in sight," which is a very helpless feeling for the people in this community because they don't know when they're going to be able to get back into their homes, and for those who have been evacuated, they don't know if they'll have a home to go back to. it's a very helpless feeling. the reason why there's no end in sight, that's because the fire is burning basically in all directions. combined with the fact you have absolutely brutal fire conditions, it remains very hot, triple-digit temperatures at least through the middle of the week. then at night, it gets very windy as this area remains under a red flag warning. in addition to all that, you talked about the missing people. right now that number stands at a dozen, which is a very scary number, but that does not mean that those folks are presumed dead. it simply could be a mun ka communications issue where people had to leave their homes at a moment's notice and forgot to bring their cell phone and
haven't been able to get in touch with relatives. so officials are optimistic that as time progresses, that hopefully that number will be reduced. fred? >> oh, my goodness. so dan, what about support coming in for these firefighter teams that are working around the clock? you mentioned no end in sight. it's very dry. humidity very low. what are they up against, and what kind of assistance are these teams needing? >> reporter: well, right now they do have a lot of firefighters battling this blaze. of course, they work in shifts. the number is at 4,000. they really can't get enough firefighters in here, though. they can use all the help that they can get. and one thing i might add, fred, is that this region in many ways just feels paralyzed because you have 38,000 people who are under this evacuation order. it's really impossible to get a hotel in the area. many of the evacuation shelters are also reaching maximum capacity. as i said, with that headline,
no end in sight, it just amounts to a feeling of frustration and nobody knows when this is going to end. >> all right, dan simon. thank you so much in redding. still ahead, rudy giuliani accuses michael cohen of tampering with secretly recorded conversations with president trump involving a payment to a former playboy model to concealed a alleged affair. what an audio forensics expert has to say about that possibility next. when i received the diagnoses, i knew at that exact moment ... i'm beating this. my main focus was to find a team of doctors. it's not just picking a surgeon, it's picking the care team and feeling secure in where you are. visit cancercenter.com/breast
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swipe at the credibility of former trump attorney and fixer michael cohen. cohen dropped a bombshell with his claim that candidate trump knew in advance about the june 2016 trump tower meeting. that's the one where the russians had promised dirt on hillary clinton. there was also the release of that secretly recorded tape of cohen and trump. they were discussing a potential payout related to former playboy model karen mcdougal over her allegations of an affair with trump. giuliani responded by calling michael cohen a pathological liar. here's what he said earlier today. >> you called him an honest, honorable lawyer just a few weeks ago. what changed? >> how did i know? why would i have not thought he was? i've never had a bad dealing with michael. i was being straight and honest. i didn't know that he taped conversations surreptitiously. i didn't know he would grossly violate the attorney-client privilege. i didn't know he would mislead
dozens of reporters. >> how much of the evidence that the fbi seized from michael cohen's place of work and residence relates to the president, beyond tapes? >> well, let me see if i can make it about as clear as possible. we know of something like 183 unique conversations on tape. one of those is with the president of the united states. that's the three-minute one involving the mcdougal payment. there are 12 others, maybe 11 or 12 others, out of the 183 in this tthe president is discussed at any length by cohen, mostly with reporters. all clearly corroborating what the president has said in detail on many of those tweets. in other words, that he didn't know about the payments to either one when it happened,
that he only found out later, that cohen made them not for the campaign -- he didn't like the campaign. he says very derogatory things about the campaign. he said i only made it because i personally love the president and melania. and that's why i made the payments, which takes it right out of the campaign contribution arsenal. so these are tapes i want you to read. i want you to hear them pip didn't think i'd be able to get them out publicly. somehow he and his lawyer have this crazy idea just throw it all out there. i think they also don't realize it's going to hurt them with the prosecutors. when i was a prosecutor, i didn't want some guy giving out all the evidence to the press. >> all right. let's talk about this. so what would be the motivation by the trickling of this kind of tape? wouldn't this potentially undermine the investigation by allowing this tape to get out? >> seems to be a game of chess
and not checkers. look, legal pundits have been arguing the legality and ethics of releasing this tape. should a lawyer tape a client? legally able to do that in new york. one-party consent state. ethically, there's some arguments both ways. look, the only reason that i could see that the cohen team, meaning lanny davis as his attorney, would be leaking these tapes out would be maybe to press for the special prosecutor to start working to cut a deal for michael cohen. now, it's interesting. i was a huge fan of rudy giuliani. i was in lower manhattan on september 11th of 2001. he was america's mayor. to see him in this political surrogacy role, it's so beneath him. he's going to argue for the president and say there was something on these tapes. if it's abruptly cut, that's
different. you can argue context, but that's not an altered tape. >> that's giuliani's argument, that it has altered. cnn hired an audio forensics expert who previewed the recording. this was his take. >> well, the clip is incomplete. we've got the beginning, i believe. i can see a start signature at the beginning of this recording. in other words, when the recorder was engaged. where the dialogue just abruptly ends and some new conversation comes in, there is a splicer and edit there. those two pieces are cut together. i can clearly see that. i'm certain any other forensic expert with the same qualifications would agree with me. >> so what does that mean to the uninitiated? >> that means that this is not an original, it's not a master, and it's not a complete recording. >> it means their conversation may well have continued beyond
that abrupt ending and that other call that comes in. >> that's a high degree of probability that that's the case. >> and i think that matches common sense as well. it seems like they're having a conversation and then something happened to the recording. what it is, we don't know and we can't tell from this. it seems to end on the word check. >> giuliani is arguing that it was doctored, meaning somehow it was edited, somehow he would be alleging that trump's voice, you know, was cleverly tucked in. how would investigators know about the content, the originality of this material? >> so let's put this into layman's terms. we just watched the expert chris cuomo had on. here's a recording device. let's say we're in a one-party consent state like new york. i would like to tape you. once i start it, if i am working for the fbi while this conversation is going on, this conversation we're looking at to prove criminal activity, i
cannot disengage the tape and then reengage the tape again. that creates a signature. that signature, forensics experts can go through that, listen to the audiotape and determine that. that's vastly different than taking a full tape and cutting it where someone argues it was taken out of context. you can argue the person making the tape is trying to take something out of context or take something away. if it's just cut or trimmed, then what the government is going to say is give us the full tape. >> what about the value of the content of this exchange, what's being said? there is some dialogue about -- and you hear the then-candidate, now president's voice talking about using a check as opposed to cash. how is that valuable to the investigation or this probe? >> great question. so this conversation apparently took place two months before the november of 2016 election. if it can be proven, and fred, this is where the devil lies in the details.
if it can be proven that president trump was trying to make this payoff so that he could be in a better election position, then you could argue that this was inappropriate behavior. but you've got to prove intent. if there's a tape we have not seen yet that comes out where he goes, we need to do this before the election, people could argue that. again, this is going to be one of those things where it's going to be left to the voter because whether or not they can prove intent on this and actually charge him with something, i've listened to a lot of much smarter legal folks than me, and they've argued it's just not there yet. >> so the president hasn't testified. he hasn't been deposed. but he has tweeted. he has said verbally in many ways, you know, that i knew nothing about it. that has been kind of the theme. if the tape -- or in the tape, we hear him saying, you know, check, not cash. that clearly says he does know something about it. so how does that equip robb mueller's team in its investigation? >> again, you have to prove that
he was agreeing, authorizing, or directing mr. cohen to make this payment because it needed to be done before the election. if they can't do that, hey, we can look at it and say it's tawdry behavior, it's unseemly, but then it's not illegal. that's what the issue is going to be. you've got mr. cohen saying one thing, mr. trump tweeting something else. it's like that seinfeld thing. it's not a lie if you believe it. it seems like everybody seems to believe what they're saying. it's going to be difficult for the special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this, but we trust he will. >> that may not necessarily be under the umbrella of the russia probe, but instead going into a different direction about misuse of -- you know, potential misuse of campaign funds. >> campaign finance funding, that's a huge issue in this. that's the only reason if they can prove that intent, then it becomes an illegality. if not, unseemly but not illegal. >> all right, james. always good to see you. thank you so much. straight ahead in the newsroom, growing outrage after
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a german cruise company says the polar bear attacked a guard during a tour of the arctic. the company says another guard then shot and killed the bear in self-defense. the injured guard was air lifted out with head injuries and is in stable condition. this happened on norway's remote northern island known as the realm of the polar bear. it's halfway between norway and the north pole. joining me now to discuss, wildlife expert jeff corwyn. what's your reaction to this? >> well, fredricka, it's incredibly tragic. what really is most disturbing about this is that polar bears, despite their prowess and their great size and strength, their ability to survive in one of the most hostile ecosystems on the planet, they are critically endangered and are slipping towards extinction. when there's only 25,000 polar bears left on the planet, every one matters. >> and we don't know all of the
circumstances of how this happened, just generically that, you know, one guard was attacked and another guard then shot and killed. but so many other questions arise. you know, you're pinpointing on their vulnerability. when you talk about the population of animals that are under distress, you know, talk to me about that, how that species is under distress, whether it's because of the climate or whether it's because of, you know, dwindling food supply and how that might have altered the behavior potentially of this animal. >> yeah, you bring up a lot of interesting points. this is a species that you've just said, accurately so, is under distress. it is being stressed because its environment is changing because of warming seas. the perennial ice that these bears depend upon has all but
disappeared. this is ice that's supposed to be there permanently. a polar bear has the ability to swim 60 miles a day, yet they are drowning in open water because the ancient ice they relied on as a species has gone away. so yes, oftentimes polar bears will be foraging for foods where they normally would not be. but this is polar bear habitat. when you are in this ecosystem as a tourist or as an explorer or a scientist, you have the responsibility to follow the protocols to ensure that you stay safe and you don't interfere with the wild behavior of polar bears. >> and that's at the core of a lot of the angry response online. people saying, wait a minute, the polar bear is in its habitat. tourists come along. their lives are threatened or the guard's life is threatened, then the only alternative is to kill. another question is why not a
tranquilizer if there is that feeling, you know, that the guard or tourist lives might be in danger? >> right. that's an interesting question. why not use a tranquilizer? i think if they were in that desperate situation where life and limb was at stake, they took the most drastic decision one could take. i will tell you it's no easy task using a tranquilizer. sometimes it requires multiple shots to sedate the animal. i have actually worked on filming polar bears in the arctic. it was quite a challenge to work with these remarkable creatures. but to your earlier point, to discuss how critically endangered they are, when i think of polar bears, i think of the ultimate iconic symbol of the arctic, this ecosystem. what really breaks my heart today is we now live in a world where we don't prioritize species as much. our own government isn't
focusing on protecting species like previous administrations. not only are these animals under stress from natural changes, from manmade changes, but also from a department of interior that doesn't embrace their importance like we have in the past. very important creatures. a lot of lessons to learn here. you're in their home, their backyard. respect them and their space. >> jeff corwin, thanks so much for being with us. all right. top stories we're following for you this hour. civil rights icon and georgia congressman john lewis is in the hospital. lewis became ill on a flight to atlanta yesterday according to a local cnn affiliate. his spokeswoman told cnn that he is under routine observation and expected to be released sometime today. a manhunt is under way in new orleans after two suspects opened fire killing three people and wounding several others three miles from the french quarter. police say the suspects approached the victims from behind and started shooting with
a rifle and a handgun before fleeing the scene. one of the seven wounded is in critical conditions. and a mississippi police department has fired an officer who used a stun gun on a handcuffed suspect. authorities say the police officer hit the suspect with his forearm and then later pressed his stun gun into the man's back, shocking him. the suspect was complying with orders during his arrest, and the police chief says stark's actions were an excessive use of force. straight ahead in the newsroom, russia flexing its military might. we'll show you how much of its new fire power is aimed at matching the u.s. connected. r whole family or keep tabs on them. he skipped orientation for the beach? he takes after me. join t-mobile, buy an iphone 8, get an iphone 8 on us.
>> reporter: strategic parody means parody with the u.s. and its nato allies. russia showcasing a submarine nicknamed "the carrier killer," designed to hunt u.s. aircraft carriers. a new stealth frigate and a spy vessel aimed at countering american missile technology. vladimir putin's message to the west is clear. even though russia's military might not be as big and well funded as militaries in the west, it can still be a threat to america and its nato allies. last week russia also showing off new missile technology, including a hypersonic missile the kremlin says can beat american defense systems. all this right after both president trump and vladimir putin discussed working together to prevent a new arms race at their recent summit in helsinki, a point putin reiterated this past week. >> translator: russia and the united states have a stake in that. the whole world has a stake in
that. and not starting an arms race. >> reporter: but while russia may be interested in preventing an arms race, russia also clearly wants to show america and its allies that its forces are stronger and more advanced than at any time since the cold war. fred pleitgen, cnn, st. petersburg, russia. still ahead in the newsroom, some first responders battling the raging carr fire in california are returning home to find that they themselves have become victims of this massive fire. i'll talk to a police chief who lost his home while trying to protect others, next. weather an overall #1 rated, weathers it all. find our most advanced formula exclusively at the home depot. ♪ ♪ keep it comin' love. ♪ keep it comin' love. ♪ don't stop it now, ♪ don't stop it no.
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we've heard the trump administration talk about alternate facts, and that version of reality is front and center in this week's state of the cartoonian. >> it's 2018, but this week to a lot of the president's critics it started to sound a bit like 1984. >> just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> that might be a bit extreme, but what is actually taking place in president trump's version of reality? i mean, we do know for one that there are televisions hooked up that only show one channel. >> your approval rating is soaring. >> in this dystopian or utopian future, the white house press corps would only have friendly faces. >> you looked very strong at the end of that press conference. >> and no poll would ever drop below 100% approval. >> he's the most powerful, most popular republican in the history of the party. >> in this alternate reality, there would be a mcdonald's on
every corner, and every day would be november 8th, 2016. >> we won the electoral college by a lot, 306-223, i believe. >> in this alternate reality, special counsel would have a whole new spelling and even special counsel robert mueller would agree with the president's conclusion. >> a russian hoax. it's a witch hunt. >> but that's not the world in which we live. even the biggest reality tv star cannot totally escape reality. >> i care deeply about the rule of law. >> thanks so much, jake. all right. be sure to tune in tonight for an all new episode of "the 2000s." from the launch of the ipod to the rise of social media, it was a decade marked by the explosion of tech ideas. >> all kinds of things have changed because of the smartphone. so there are new rules. are you allowed to have your phone at the dinner table? should you be looking at your phone on the sidewalk on a busy
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and the associated press quoting sources who say the enquirer kept the safe filled with documents on hush money payments and other potentially damaging stories on the president as the tabloid is said to do with many celebrities. cohen's attorney has told cnn he believes his client would be willing to testify before congress without immunity. juan, i come to you first. democrats have talked the word impeachment. and i'm curious, now, if that will stay in the mow nomenclature for you, or you'll see where things shake out? >> i don't think there is avoiding the reality when you have the president's personal lawyer say in open court in the course of his plea that the president was involved with this, and then you have the repeated contribute,s or changes in stories coming from the president, that his political opponents would say, well, is this merit impeachment. i think the big question is how it plays for the mid terms. and does it fire up, you see
the house and take it back in large majority. you look at the senate, seems to be relatively safe, i don't see democrats trying to move forward with impeachment if it hits a roadblock in the senate, republicans retain the senate. the impeachment talk doesn't mean much if democrats win back the house, i mentioned earlier, you will see a ton of congressional hearings and a lot of noise. >> harris: rachel, are you getting out on the campaign trail, the president promised he will be out there six, seven days. the secret service is like can we see that schedule? >> right, a lot. more than oi they are president. >> harris: when you look at that, and the power that the president has had, helping candidates win, if you were on the bubble or assuming were you in trouble right now, do you still call on the president, with all that's going on? i'm wondering how all of this plays for individual candidates as lisa points out, she didn't say president trump, she said what it's like for republicans. >> all politics is roll. local f you're from a suburban
she just wants fair play and equal application of the law. to that point, since i'm money and finance for a living, going after allen wiseleberg granting him immunity in the cohen probe, the tentacles of the octopus that started with the special counsel investigation into russian interference in the election, these tentacles are getting longer and longer. they lead the an ex-pornography actress, ex-employ boy model. when you start looking at the -- playboy model. when you look at the finances of the trump organization, the subpoena subpena of michael cohen with regard to the trump foundation, the state of new york, the trump organization could face criminal charges from the manhattan district attorney, the "new york times" reported that earlier today. so, this is a much bigger legal problem. and kind of evident with wiseleberg, this is evidence, i
think, that president trump will never, ever sit down for an interview with the special counsel. >> harris: i want to get this in, mark penn, former palestinian clinton advisor, on the tabloid chief given immune yipt, taking immunity, watch. >> he's the person actually making the contribution or expenditure, and so they're not really interested in that. they're only interested in tying things to trump. on the matters that we already decided, look, i went through impeachment with plik, these issues -- about president clinton, what happened with women, consensual and legal activities can't be turned into crimes and the american people won't stand for this. same thing with john edwards, aquilted, they were not campaign violations, they're personal expenditures. >> harris: interesting, because i saw anthony scaramucci saying that this president ought to take the john edwards defense and come out with whatever it is. i watched the video with him
this morning where he said there could be more of these women. he was speculating. he threw out the number ten. the point he'smaking and made on it overtime as well, get out in front of this now. that safe has something in it. >> get out ahead on the women? >> harris: whatever the story is going to be. if it's not illegal, and it looks like these payments wouldn't be because he was paying women not to crack up his marriage is what scar much jeff and other people have -- scaramucci and others have said y not hit the facts before they go drip, drip, drip. >> let me disagree. >> harris: it's not my opinion. >> well, i'll tell you my opinion. it would be an in-kind contribution. he would have to have said i am making this contribution to pay off these women. it's not the payoff, it's the idea, and this is what we heard from cohen in open court, the president was involved in setting up this deal. because although in the john edwards case you had people who made general contributions, what
the jury decided was that he -- they didn't know he was going to use the money for that purpose. the president knew he was using the money for that purpose, at that time, right before the election -- >> harris: ho do you know that he's on tape saying it and we have the time line. >> long before he started running for office -- >> harris: he isn't on tape saying -- >> he's on tape, cohen has tape they're discussing how the payment should be made. >> harris: the why of it, that's what matters. >> even if it an s.e.c. violation, they're met with fines. president obama, 2008, was one of the largest violations, levied against a president. >> they're typically treated as civil not criminal cases. that's the abomination. the legal liability as well, many people have been saying in regard to the politics of this, sure it's going to drive out partisans in suburban districts that don't like trump, but it doesn't touch them -- >> how about the political
excuse the democrats used for bill clinton, it's just lies about sex, to quote andy mccarthy. >> how will it affect the mid-term races. there's a lot of people who voted for trump angry, they feel he's unfairly targeted and hillary was given a pass and they're going after him. and the message to the american people, if you an outsider, somebody who wants to run for president and the political class did not annoint you, the insiders, the elites in washington, political class will destroy it. that's what i think donald trump is trying to bring in. >> that sounds like spin. the swamp is now defined by trump and his associates. >> or you could say it's the leaders of the fbi and the d.o.j., a lot of people believe. >> harris: i'll step in with a bit of breaking news. it's developing at this hour. an update, now, on the health of senator john mccain rg the long-serving arizona republican and vietnam war hero.
has been battling brain cancer as you noef. today the mccain family issued this statement, john has surpassed expectations for his survival. but the progress of disease and the advance of vang render the verdict. with the usual strength of will he has chosen to discontinue medical treatment. our family is immensely grateful for the support and the kindness of all caregivers over the last year and for the continuing outpouring of concern and affection from john's many friends and associates. and the many thousands of people who are keeping him in their prayers. end quote. senator mccain is of course in our thoughts and prayers. my friend, megan, i am with you in spirit today. we'll bring you any updates we can on his condition. judge brett kavanaugh and skeptical democrats, why the supreme court nominee may have to put some of their concerns to rest.
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fieshing back at attorney general jeff sessions after sessions pushed back against the president's criticism in a statement defending his performance of the d.o.j. sessions vowing that he won't be you influenced by political considerations. this morning, the president tweeted this. quoting part of sessions statement that the d.o.j. will not be improperly influence by political considerations, adding, jeff, this is great. what everybody wants. so look into all of the corruption on the other side including deleted e-mails, comey lies and likes, mueller conflicts, mccabe, strzok, page, chris to per steele and his phony incorrupt dossier, the clinton foundation illegal surveillance of the trump campaign. russian collusion by dems and so much more. open up the papers and documents
without redaction. come, on jeff, can you do it, the country is waiting, exclamation point. rachel smiled my way. some republicans say firing sessions would be a bad idea. >> the idea that he might be fired because he isn't a political hack is a very, very bad idea. a bad idea for the constitution, bad idea for public trust and the department of justice, a bad idea for the. united states. >> harris: senate jusdishry chairman chuck grass lee saying he could make time for hearings on a new attorney general. senator lindsay graham jumped onboard bringing in a new sheriff at the d.o.j. here it is. >> there's just not a good healthy working relationship, from what i can tell. and for the good of the nation, i think we need an attorney general that has the confidence of the president. i'm not blaming jeff sessions. there is no finer man. but at the end of the day there are plenty of conservative judges and lawyers that i think
could do this job that we can get somebody confirmed. >> harris: rachel, i'll come to you first. i want to put it in context, too, lindsay graham said a nonstarter is before the mid-term elections. conversation started to kind of change and by nighttime, you had the go back and forth between the president and jeff sessions. . it's clear that -- lindsay graham before said never, he should never get rid of a.g. sessions. >> harris: that was 2017. >> yes. now it's clear that the president needs somebody who he trusts. but doing so before the mid terms, i agree, would be very tumultuous, not good for the prospects of holding on to the house or the senate. it's a good compromise. i personally never understood why sessions has held on this long. i don't want to work for somebody who doesn't want me to work for them. while i think he's done a fairly good job on some of these immigration issues and dealing
with ms13, it's very clear they're not on the same page. what frustrates not just the president but those who voted for him is that it just seems unfair. it's fine if sessions wanted to recuse himself, okay, i understand, i think that was a fair assessment on his part he didn't have to but he did for proprietary, the way it looked. why hasn't he gone after hillary clinton? why is peter strzok still working there? there's lots of questions that people have to go, just, he says it's nonpolitical. but he's not looking at it with the same fairness, when it comes to hillary clinton and the democrats. >> it's not just hillary clinton and those democrats you mentioned. you can, looking at the inaction, you can smell the fecklessness up here in new york city. cha john chaffetz, chairman of the house oversight committee, told how hillary clinton's former i.t. guy didn't show up for two subpoenas.
they subpoenaed time twice. jason chaffetz went to jeff sessions and said to show the equal application of the law that there is a rule of law this guy needs to be prosecuted. jeff sessions said to him, chaffetz said earlier, jeff sessions said he's too close to hillary clinton. dismissed it. this isn't the only instance. >> what is clear about all of this, when jeff sessions was in the process of being confirmed, he was painted by the media on the left as this racist, putin puppet. guarantee the second that president trump fires him he's going to be heralded as a great guy and how dare president trump fire him, this is what happens, the way the media and the left work. i don't think he should have recused toms work with. the things he was attacked with, the security form, he was doing what the fbi told him to in the process of filling them out. you also look at him, what meetings with some individuals who are tied to russian officials.
guess what, a lot of the same people criticizing him for the meetings, clare mccaskill, did the same thing. if he recused himself, why is rod rosenstein there, he's the guy that recommended comey for firing and is still there. >> harris: that's the point of the hearing. not the hearing but the confirmation, if you can get to this issue before the mid terms, if there is room to open that up, then you appoint somebody else and it wouldn't be rod rosenstein scooting up to the top of the lils the to carry on the investigation. >> pick lindsey graham or some one like that. jaun i think sessions thinks he's protecting the integrity of the american justice system. and giving a buffer to the american people, against what could devolve have into a political food fight. >> harris: devolve have? we're there. >> if you use the department of justice to opinionish your political enemies, i think the country isn't in a good place.
>> not for a second do i believe the democrats would sit back and take it if somebody spied on barack obama's campaign. >> what are you talking about? they had a fisa warrant -- >> based on fault information. >> i don't want to get into the weeds on. this i'm just telling you, i think that right now, when we have the president talking about how it's not appropriate to make a deal -- hang on a second, he's flipping, lots of people have flipped. this sounds like a criminal enterprise and he's trying to defend himself and his associates from the law. >> what is the difference -- >> you have an attorney general, our top law enforcement officer acting on a political agenda. >> juan, juan dash what's the difference between jeff sessions holding up the integ riflt d.o.j. or some one like lindsay graham if that's who president trump chose to fill that spot? what would the difference be? >> i think lindsay graham is a
fine lawyer, too, i think he would try -- >> why not fire self sessions and nominate him? >> if you fire jeff sessions it would be done through a political lens -- >> you and democrats -- >> no, no, i didn't plead guilty in open court -- >> he can higher and fire whoever he wants. >> the politics is that he would be seen in the light of the saturday night massacre. wipe out jeff sessions -- >> wait a minute, can we point out -- this is talk and no walk. this is president trump tweeting about it. and hammering jeff sessions for not doing his job which he hasn't been doing. but he hasn't fired anybody. he hasn't fired bob mueller. he's actually trying to jaw bone jeff sessions into doing a better job. if we're going to shunt up that brass trophy for -- shine up the trophy -- >> it's not about doing a better job, it's going after trump's political opponents and distrabting the american people from trump's trouble. >> harris: can i add, we're
going to be talking about this in "overtime," i've been reading up on the fact this is a bit of a taunt on twitter. you could see a guy like attorney general sessions up until yesterday when he enumerated the list of things he feels like he's ee effectuating the president's promises to make america great again, he as been effective at doing. if he were to quit, the president then, as i understand it, could step in and make a temporary replacement of him. so for republicans now to say we might even be able to make a little room for him on the schedule before the mid terms, this starts to get complicated for democrats. and do you just want to be shouting at the wind about impeachment and screaming about this and about the other or paying attention to what is really actually happening. and so it may not be the president trying to be, you know, mean on twitter. there could be some strategy. >> he has rudy guiliani, he has a legal team.
>> harris: sessions quits he apoints whom he wants. along with senator and graham and others, he has the right to put in these positions whomever he would like. can you call it a massacre if you like, but you could just call it his right to do so. >> it's the president's right. we all know all of the details about the dossier, about this, about that. the american people are looking at this and looking at the way hillary and her people, how were they treated, were they put, was the squeeze put on them the same way the squeeze was put on cohen. and all of the other people they're trying to take down. >> are you kidding me? there was no announcement of a russian investigation during the campaign. twice, twice jim comey goes before the cameras and speaks about hillary clinton. in fact ten days before the election. now you want to go back and act as if, they never investigated hillary clinton. [all talking at once] >> is the president paying off a
mistress for $130 before he was ever president. and a sitting secretary of state who willfully deleted subpoenaed, confidential -- can i make the point. >> these have been long ago litigated. this president in terms of this campaign -- >> you guys are making this way too complicated. all it comes down to. trump has the right to fire some one like jeff sessions if he wants. >> sure. >> and put whoever he wants there. if he chooses some one like lindsay graham, i think would be palatable to both sides, how can you make an argument with it. >> they're doing it in the midst of the campaign and undermining the american justice system. >> i can make an argument, you got to get brett kavanaugh confirmed to the supreme court of the united states. instead of worrying about replacing your feckless a.g., as i've called him earlier. and at the same time, only agenda item for the democrats is impeachment. whether they're whispering it or nodding and wiferking about it.
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mollie tibbetts slamming the commander in chief after he seized on prosecutors describing rivera as an illegal alien. to highlight his calls for immigration reform. rivera referred to the president as sad and sorry trump. he had this to say last night on the story. >> i think that people are buying into the concepts and notions that mr. trump is bringing forward, and at this stage in the process it's not proper. the situation he's involved with, concerning his status, has nothing to do with the situations that unfortunately happened over there on that road. i'm sorry. >> this comes action a fox news poll shows the majority of americans are very or somewhat concern that illegal immigration increases crime and 47% say it's changing american culture. why do democrats take such issue with the simple statement that mollie tibbetts and kate steinly
would be alive if the illegal immigrant killers weren't allowed to come into this country? what you seeing is the politicization of the immigration status f you look at the statistics, as they indicate, people who are not only illegal immigrants but legal immigrants are less likely to commit violent or property crimes in the country. when people like newt beginning grim, he said this openly, we hope that mollie tibbetts and her name and her murder is a bigger issue than anything having to do with cohen or manafort, this is about politics. it's not grieving for the loss of this terrific young woman. >> is it not a true statement to say they would still be alive? >> i don't know. >> juan: i think i'm taken guy what mollie tibbetts' family said, which was evil comes in all colors, legal and illegal immigrants and people. and i'm taking also kind stinle,
do why do we need to politicize this, let us grieve. >> some on the left, for years have preached at the american people, your words hurt, your words trigger, i need a safe space, i need a sanctuary from legitimate debate. at the same time it's like, don't point at me, that's a micro-impression. this week we've seen such a lack of sensitivity toward the death of this young woman. toward the grieving that not just her family feels but that really all americans should feel. there has been a vacuum of compassion among some of these people on the left. it is shocking considering that they have spent so much time lecturing us about you can't say that because it hurts me. it's appalling, juan. >> juan: i think it's the people on the right who are not in
touch with the grief. >> what she's referring -- >> because we don't want another murder to occur, if an illegal immigrant wasn't in the country? >> juan: i wouldn't want anybody to lose a child and i wouldn't want any of us to be harmed by anybody. the question is, what is at stake. now what we heard from that lawyer is that we should be talking about the legal process not the immigration status. that's all. >> harris: let me step in to where the politics have interjected and might be helpful. you know, we had on senator joanie earns the, her home state is in iowa, she told me about sarah's law. there are a lot of similarities between what happened to mollie tibbetts and this other young woman, sarah, years ago. that person is still a fugitive. while her suspected killer was arrested he was let go on a bail low enough that a relative met it then he fled.
they haven't seen him since. and so not only is the legislation still an open book, president trump put some of it into law in 2017, that would deal with the issues, the vetting issues, so on, so forth. but not the total law. that's what they're working on. why do i bring that up? sometimes there is an opening to talk about the politics which could be part of the solution. what's happening, though, is that as the solution gets brought up, everybody wants to bifurcate their side of it to make use of it. that's particularly sad. let's not blanket all. lawmakers with they're getting involved and it's not a good thing. are there going to be enough democrats to support sarah's will you to go forward. >> juan: allow me a second to respond to maris. -- harris that, is rational and reasonable. we should have discussions about immigration reform in the country. unfortunately, the discussions we see on capitol hill do not agree with you.
>> harris: not all. >> juan: going back to president bush in '60, president obamand the gang of eight in i think it was '13, guess what, it's hard right republicans who have blocked comprehensive immigration reform. >> hold on, hold on. i want to finish -- it'll take two seconds. i want you to admit some democrats, some on the left, have been irrational and unreasonable when talking about this. >> juan: sure. >> girl, please, deserve an apology all day long for that. >> that's not an accurate statement. there was a compromise form of immigration reform that came to the house floor, not a single democrat that voted for it. democrats have not really demonstrated that they're actually willing to solve these problems. you look under both administrations, republicans and democrats, immigration reform has not gotten done. that's not a truthful statement. we have 30 seconds. >> i don't want to employment size her death, it's tragic.
but i look at what the democrats want to talk, about cohen and trump and all that. and i look at this issue, it really affects me, much more, safety, security. i think that that's what, when you say we don't want to politicize it, people, politics business what affects my life whether it's ms-13 or lack of security at the borders, those are issues that touch peoples lives. the family that will never see their little girl again. >> we can all agree that we are, our hearts are broken for this family that had to endure a horrible loss. we pray for them. we can end on that. will, she said she's not going anywhere and that she can, quote, take the heat. nancy pelosi's vow to hold on to power despite facing opposition from a growing number of democrats. and being at the center of so many gop ads. how is she helping her pham party or hurting them? we'll get to the bottom of it. a hurting them? we'll get to the bottom of it. ♪ flintstones! meet the flintstones. ♪
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>> nancy pelosi has a message for her growing critics, she's not going anywhere. the house democratic leader telling the a.p., quote, this is not anything to make a big fuss over. it's politics. i can take the heat, that's why i stay in the kitchen. she all but dares her doubters to envision any other house democrat sitting across the table to negotiate with trump saying, quote, i have a following in the country that's unsurpassed by anybody unless they're running for president. the defiant wourdz from pelosi come as at least 10 incumbent house democrats say they will not support her as speaker if democrats retake the house. more than 40 democratic candidates say they won't support her either. harris, go. >> harris: i'm confused by that one point. juan does that mean she can never lead your party? she has a following
unprecedented, except for if she were to run for president. i mean it's not everybody's goal but as long as she's been in politics she ought to be able to including everything. >> what an arrogant statement. >> juan: i think i saw yesterday congress' overall rating is 17%. republicans and democrats don't like congress. paul ryan's rating is down in the tank. >> harris: people don't think they accomplish anything. >> mcconnell's ratings. i'm glad to talk about nancy pelosi. >> juan: nancy pelosi is taking a key stance here. republicans could use her and will use her in television ads -- >> harris: already are. >> juan: -- to attack democrats. dm knows bonuses are just crumbs. it is corporations just putting the shmooze on. nd it's pathetic. $2,000 is a pathetic punch of
crumbs? >> juan, do you like nancy pelosi? >> juan: like or not like is not the issue, she's an effective leader in terms of legislation and a huge fundraiser for the democrats. >> is she a liability? >> that's an interesting point, juan. a lot of the democrats saying i won't vote for nancy pelosi if she becomes speaker of the house -- if she runs for speaker, if we take the house, are taking her money. she is a great fundraiser. they disavow but they're not disavowing the money she's pouring into the coughs of their campaign -- coffers of their campaign. they should disavow the campaign money. >> juan: i don't know if they're taking the money. >> they are. >> juan: the incumbents are. the people who will vote against pelosi in the democratic caucus. i doubt they will vote against pelosi on who the speaker should be. >> she is a liability. you admitted, i had asked if you she was a liability, you said
yes. >> juan: yes, you saw dagen's reaction, dagen is running her commercials. >> tax cuts are, she's going to roll back the tax cuts. she said that -- >> juan: oh, please, revisit them. >> i worked on campaigns where she's been a liability, when i was at the nrcc in 2010, we went after nancy pelosi, we've seen it in the georgia election, pop up in all of these other special elections. she is a liability for democrats and the terms that she invokes a lot of anger for republicans. they don't like her. which is why we've seen so many democrats along the campaign trail disavow her, they know how poisonous, politically, she is. >> juan: and go back to pennsylvania, he simply said i wouldn't vote for nancy pelosi, took the issue off the table. republicans love hating on it. >> well, for the mid terms, then if she takes -- if the democrats take the house, they'll go for her.
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o'roarke was neck and neck with cruz in the polls, took a question while at a campaign stop in houston and said, quote, there's nothing more american, end quote, than the protest. come partd them to the civil rights movement of the 1960s. a hot button issue that divides fans. but that didn't stop hollywood elites from gloating in admiration of the defense of the players. senator cruz shot back, quote, most texans stand for the flag. but hollywood liberals are so excited that he's siding with players protesting the national anthem, kevin bacon retweeted it. all of us can win six degrees of kevin bacon, online game that people play. juan, a lot of hollywood swooning over what he said. it's been retweeted millions and millions of times. is that the kind of sentiment that's going to win over the voters that he wants to win over in the texas election? >> i think it'll excite people
who feel the players have been unfairly vilified. >> what about in texas? >> in texas. >> it's nice to get hollywood to like you. but texas? >> i don't think it's just hollywood. lebron james, people all over the country have been saying, hey, you know what, you can disagree on this issue without calling the other side unpatriotic or rude. peaceful protest is protected by our flag, our constitution. that's an american ideal. >> lisa, you worked at the nrcc. would this quote from behto be a gift to the republican nrcc, or -- senatorial commit if i they're looking at this race? >> you look at majority of americans, you look at poll after poll with senator ted cruz on this issue, yeah, they're probably going to agree more. what i find frustrating is that president trump actually has done a lot on the issue of criminal justice reform. if these players were to choose to take this off the field where they're working in the private sector, for their business, i don't think they have the right
to the protest on the clock, while they're working. but if they were to take this off the field there would be areas of compromise with president trump on criminal justice reform. i find that ironic if they took it off the field and had a conversation with them. it would produce something positive. >> harris: an interesting point. the president touched and weighed in heavily on prison reform many times of the we think back just recently, oh yesterday, when he and jeff sessions actually were going back and forth. what they met on, at the white house, was prison reform. we don't know how fast things will go but we know at the bee hernt of some celebrities like kim kardashian and others, he is looking at certain issues. you don't want to take away from what is being done. you bring up the point, that's why i think it's really time for the players union to get involved in this. somebody has to figure out how they're going to set this will issue. we are now, we're doing thursday night football on fox. they're doing it in this studio
that we do "outnumbered" on. we're football watching people in my family. it would be nice to figure this out. as a person of color, while they're on their knees they can pray for the victims of domestic violence, those who have been accused in the nfl, a microcosm of the rest of society i've been told. or that the victims of shooting and murders in chicago. if you're going to make about it a prayer event, remember when dr. king knelt, he also bowed. peaceful protest, yes, in prayer too, why not take that as part of the mantra as well. >> pray for every family battling cancer. every individual in this country. one thing i'll point out about behto o'roarke taking this issue, on he jumped past texas. he's working on a national stage. you take this stand, maybe because you want to get invited to lebron james' house the next time you're in ohio, maybe. or los angeles. but you take it on because
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the idea of possibliy resigning. what's unclear is how serious that was. whether he said something like i am willing to resign if the president wants me to or whether he said i intend to resign and i'm going to do it on monday. we don't know the exact nature of those conversations. >> eli, i want to hear about your reporting. i want to show our viewers what phil rucker is talking about. let's watch. >> i have a message for the president tonight. under zero circumstances should the president fire anybody. >> if you are laying a trap for donald trump, this might be exactly how you'd do it. >> okay, professor, what will president trump do now? >> well, if he's smart, he'll take advantage of this and not fire either -- any of these people, not mueller, not rosenstein, and not sessions. >> so this is important point because i think a lot of people are really scared after the
rosenstein's people to come out and say, he expects to be fired. his people were putting that out to what end, we don't know at this point but certainly today for all the claims the president having a really busy schedule. he was free today between 9:30 and 2:15. almost two hours he spent at trump tower. he was on the phone with kelly and talking to rosenstein during that time. and this is a man who, as we know, for all the reputation that he loves to fire people, he doesn't like to do it in person. and so the idea that he's putting this off, he had this opportunity today while out of town. if he wanted to do it, didn't take it and then is going to go back thursday to washington and meet with him. it's impossible to predict what this president will and won't do. based on precedent, we know he generally sh lly shies away frot confrontation and firing people face to face. >> the substance of this got lost. the substance of the report that rosenstein may or may not have offered to resign over was as early as may of 2017, 16 months
before the unanimous op-ed shows up in "the new york times," a cabinet official was talking about invoking the 25th amendment and bringing other cabinet officials along to that judgment. and offered to wear a wire to expose the chaos in the white house. he should have worn one today because the white house looked chaotic today. back to the substance of this. the substance of what rosenstein was reported to have been concerned about in may of 2017 lines up with the omarosa book. lines up with the unanimous op-ed and every page of the woodward book and seems to be another pillar in this picture that from the inside, the trump presidency is much more alarming than what we see from the outside. >> that -- the substance of that report was three weeks into rosenstein's time at deputy attorney general. he had exposure to him in two big instances. the dealings around the comey firing and the second was his dealings with the president when he sat in on all the interviews for potential fbi directors. if you read the story, one thing people missed in the substance of that story was the takeaway was that rod rosenstein was
really having a tough time. and whether he was serious or not in his remarks about the 25th amendment, whether he was serious or not in his remarks about wearing the wire, he was a person in some ways a ship without port. was not sure where to go. >> you worked in the justice department. i worked in the white house. i attended a lot of nsc meetings. we made jokes. you don't put in a memo, jokes. >> that is not a suggestion that a deputy attorney general who really is in control of the situation makes in a serious manner because it's never going to happen. but i don't think he was joking. the takeaway is he was not in control of the situation at the time. he's faced a few tests, more than any deputy attorney general in the history with the possible exception during watergate. he failed the first one when he wrote the comey memo. eight days later, another one, and he passed when he appointed bob mueller. he's facing the next big test. will he step down quietly or if
trump really wants to get rid of him, will he make him fire him? it's a critical test for his legacy and independence of the justice department. it would be a massive step for him to step down voluntarily now. >> talk to me about the idea of wearing a wire. that's also in the report and if he's offered to resign or fired, that was also the substance of what that story revealed, that in the spring of 2017, in this period of time before mueller was appointed, when they were interviewing candidates for fbi director. i've talked to some people who interviewed for that job. a couple pulled themselves out of contention. it was a chaotic time for this white house. he suggested that one of the candidates going in and wear a wire. why would you do that? >> prosecutors, fbi agents, cops, the only time they talk about wearing a wire is when it's against a bad guy. so understand the gravity of the deputy attorney general of the united states actually verbalizing, even if in jest, the possibility that he might wear a wire against the president of the united states in the oval office. and what that means about the
viewers of all the bleep he's put up with. he's got an entire house republican caucus that's drafted in articles of impeachment for him. he faces abuse every time he's on capitol hill. trying to release unredacted memos with state secrets in them to protect president trump from the russia probe. one scenario he's agreed to stay until mueller's investigation is over and the two walk out arm in arm. >> that would be the best possible scenario that he actually allows this to be completed. i think what you saw here was an effort, a game of chicken, as one former u.s. attorney said to me. an effort to get rosenstein to see if he could be bullied into resigning. to see if he would go quietly. when that was impossible, they backed off a little bit. and i think the reaction from capitol hill, from the media was sufficient to back them off. but this is a temporary stay of execution. and i think what all of us and what the commerngress has to st
thinking about is who would succeed mueller -- who would succeed rosenstein, excuse me. would it go to the solicitor general? does he have conflicts? >> that's noel francisco. but his firm jones day represents donald trump in the russia investigation. >> exactly. sounds like a conflict to me. >> and there may be something directly on point, according to other ethical people who say like he can't do this. then you drop down to olc. and goodness knows how far we're going to go with this. but it is important to remember that somebody other than jeff sessions is going to be managing that mueller probe, unless the president fires the attorney general and the republican senate, if there is one, confirms somebody new. number one, i think the senate owes the country the obligation of saying we will not replace jeff sessions with a presidential pick until the
mueller investigation is complete. and number two, i think it behooves mr. francisco to be very up front and clear about what his ethical obligations are. in that case, there will be a career individual in the justice department who is supervising the mueller probe. >> rod rosenstein's deputy, callahan is the political appointee. there are other names there. we have to watch that line of succession. i don't want to lose the thread on this. i want to bring phil and eli back on this. i want to remind everyone why rosenstein is such a trigger for the president and why most of the venom the president has unloaded, until recently about the russia investigation, he unloaded on rosenstein. he didn't name mueller until about eight, 12 weeks ago. and part of that was because rosenstein was the official who signed off on the raid of michael cohen's offices. the president has tweeted about him, i am being investigated for firing the fbi director by the
man who told me to fire the fbi director. witch hunt. the president has laid so much hate red for the justice department at the feed of rosenstein. >> he's praised him for other things the doj has done. it's hard to follow. when the president is the angriest about where he is with the mueller probe, with sdny, he does come back to rosenstein. and he does grumble about it. he does tweet about it. and i think has felt boxed in because of the fact that he can't, or hasn't been able to feel like he can do whatever he wants to because of the political implications. when he expresses frustration, i'm the president, why can't i do this, a lot is directed at rosenstein and feeling boxed in. this is an interesting moment for him. >> it's an interesting moment to wonder if the congress, if democrats take over, should bring every cabinet secretary up to the hill and ask them to festify whether they think the 25th amendment is necessary. it's the fifth account we know of the cabinet talking about the 25th amendment. one guy isn't into the 25th
amendment. that's mike pompeo. let's watch that and talk about it on the other side. >> if you can't be on the team, if you aren't supporting this mission, then maybe you ought to find something else to do. i've told that to my senior colleagues and junior folks, we need everyone who is engaged in helping achieve president trump's mission. i hope that everyone in every agency, doj, fbi, state department, is on that mission. if you aren't, you should take this time to go do something more productive. >> and i assume that talking about wiring the president, talking about the 25th amendment is not being on the team. >> not remotely. >> is it possible that if you think he's cuckoo, it's called being on team america, phil rucker? >> well, what you just heard there from secretary pompeo is the prevailing view inside the white house. and at the senior ranks of the administration which is if you can't get on board with what this president is trying to do, then what are you doing in this job? but there are people with sort of mission critical assignments
like rod rosenstein overseeing the russia investigation who see it as their mission, their duty to the country to continue to do that work. remember, it's not an investigation into donald j. trump personally. it's an investigation into a foreign government, in to russia's attempt to interfere in the u.s. election in 2016. to interfere in our democracy. and that's what the department of justice is trying to get to the bottom of with the mueller investigation. i think rosenstein sees it as his duty to stay in that role at the tip of the spear as long as he can to protect the integrity of the investigation. >> frank, i worked in a white house for six years. plenty of political problems, national security challenges, criticized from the right and the left. never one did i hear a joke about the 25th amendment. i had to google it. didn't know what it was until i started watching "homeland" last season. always ahead of the curve in american politics. the 25th amendment being
discussed. the woodward book, the omarosa book, unanimous op-ed and report friday about rod rosenstein. should we start separating the cabinet secretaries, put them in categories of political stooges and truth tellers? who goes in what category? mattis and rosenstein belong in the truth teller category. >> 25 years in the federal government, 25 years in the fbi, lots of gallous humor and joking. never once did anyone ever joke or mention the 25th amendment involving the president or wiring up against the president, even in jest. and i have to tell you something first. that's the first time i've heard the full clip from mike pompeo. he specifically mentioned the fbi. as somebody that, as a team that needs to fulfill the mission of the president, that is not the role of the fbi. and on a larger scale, as you're saying, when it comes to the 25th amendment if you think the president is unable to fulfill his duties and powers, you're on team america.
whether or not that's part of the mission of the president. so, yes, indeed if the right people were in charge of congress, we would be having hearings. we would be getting cabinet members in a room alone and asking them whether or not he can fulfill his duties. and that's not going to happen under this congress. >> all right, phil rucker and frank figliuzzi, thanks for scaring me. the saturday night massacre. that's how the ranking member of the house judiciary committee describes the president's war on justice. we'll get his reaction to the latest news about deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. also ahead -- the president doubles down on his supreme court nominee as new allegations emerge. and the midterm elections are shaping up to be a worst case scenario for republicans. new polling spells trouble for their chances of holding off a big blue wave.
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but will you fire rod rosenstein based on this treachery? >> i don't want to comment on it until i get all the facts. i haven't gotten all the facts, but certainly it's being looked at in terms of what took place, if anything took place. and i'll make a determination some time later. but i don't have the facts. >> rod rosenstein's fate still hanging in the balance this hour. his critics bracing for a potential constitutional crisis. the top democrat on the judiciary committee saying we've been watching a slow-moving saturday night massacre with donald trump firing comey and mccabe and his attacks on doj officials and special counsel mueller. if potus fires rod rosenstein, it would be a serious escalation in the case for obstruction of
justice. joining us now is congressman jerry nadler and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> are you worried? are you scared? >> i am very worried. we have seen from this administration an attack on the institutions that we depend on to preserve our constitutional order and liberties, attacks on the press othe judiciary, on the fbi, attacks on the department of justice. and we know that there is massive russian interference in the last election. and there's a proper investigation of that to see what they did and who in the united states abeded it. and we know that there's been a -- that the president has persistently attacked that investigation. and it's, as i said, it's a slow motion saturday night massacre start with his demanding loyalty from comey, then his firing
comey, firing mccabe. his attacks on the doj, attacks on individuals in the doj, his attacks on rosenstein, his attempts to fire sessions. his attacks on bruce orr who is a career person in the doj. his attacks on the fbi. this president is willing to subvert major american institutions in the service of himself. and rosenstein has been in charge of the mueller investigation, making sure that mueller has the wherewithal and the freedom to pursue the investigation where it leads, which is what this country needs. i'm very concerned that if they fire rosenstein, they'll put in somebody who will, in fact, constrain the investigation and we'll not find out what we need to find out, and we will not be able to contain the damage to our institutions that we depend on for our liberty. >> rod rosenstein and bob mueller are both republicans. is it a strange position to find yourself in where -- and you
talk about the saturday night massacre. the ultimately, nixon faced a congress that once they had all the facts and saw obstruction detailed in full light, they fulfilled their duties. are you concerned that as more and more evidence comes out, it seems to have no impact on republicans in congress? >> i am very concerned. in fact, the republicans in congress have been -- some of them, the chairman of the judiciary committee, the chairman of the investigations committee, the heads of the freedom caucus, various others have been doing whatever they can to -- >> is that mark meadows? jim jordan. >> bob goodlatte, trey gowdy. they've been doing what they can to subvert the investigation, to attack the investigation. to launch an investigation of the investigation. >> why do you think that is? >> to protect the president. i think they are putting the welfare of the president personally and politically above the welfare of the country. and i think the character of the republican party over years has
changed. i am not at all sure that they would go along with impeaching nixon today with the evidence that they had. so i think that i don't say this in a partisan base, i though it will be hard for people to believe, but i think for the welfare of the country you have to have a democratic congress because, or at least one house because the republican congress has absolutely refused to do their constitutional duty, which is to be a check and a balance on the president, to exercise account, to force accountability, to launch investigations and to be the check and the balance that matters in the framers of the constitution insisted the congress be. and without that check, an executive who has no c compunctions and no sense of institutional integrity can run amok as this president is doing. >> not strange to hear democrats
say that, but there are other republicans -- you're in that camp. so this is now the view not just of democrats but of everyone who is interested in protecting trump no matter the fact. is it weird, as a democrat, as a former democratic operative, former democratic justice department official, to be the one standing on the line protecting republican officials like bob mueller and rod rosenstein? >> no, because there is a long tradition that people inside the administration, you expect to have respect for certain fundamental values like the rule of law. that's not supposed to be a partisan issue. that's supposed to be believed by democrats and republicans between administrations and also on the hill. the weird thing is the caucus of republicans that believe in just basic institutions has shrunk so -- to be so little. one of the things -- >> i go further. they're corrupted.
they don't just not believe. the caucus of republicans has been corrupt. that's why i asked you why. they've been corrupted by something. >> and the conversation that every democrat has had is, what would we do if we were in this situation and you like to think you'd do the right thing. we'd be one of the republicans like jennifer who would stand up and say, i can't believe this is happening. i'm not going to put partisan loyalty ahead of the country and the basic values that we hold dear. you don't know until you face the test. watching all the republicans on the other side, they've all crumbled until you're left with almost nobody in either house of congress. >> i want to bring barbara mcquade in. >> the congressman raises the important point which is there are so many different ways in which the congress has failed. first of all, they've rubber stamped every single nominee who has gone through, whether that's judicial nominees, whether it's cabinet positions, many of whom have had to leave because of corruption. they've not had any oversight on the meddling within the justice department. they report is policed their
own. no ethics probe with devin nunes as to has revelation of classified material or his efforts to uncover the name of a -- outing a confidential source. they haven't had any investigation as to the efforts, the plotting to fire rod rosenstein, to manufacture these sorts of crises. so there are many, many things that a normal congress would be doing. they'd be having oversight. they'd be calling in rod rosenstein and asking, did the white house ever instruct you to do x? did the white house prevent you from doing y? and that is completely absent because, as you say, we do not -- we no longer have a system of checks and balances. we have one party that has thrown up the constitution and thrown up our democratic institutions and they don't care. >> barbara mcquade, i want to ask you about some reporting in "the washington post" today, part of the rosenstein watch, if you will. the post is reporting that this
person said rosenstein had expressed to others he should resign because he felt compromised. felt very compromised and was now a witness in the russia probe, rather than a supervisor. what did we learn in the last couple days that turned him into a witness instead of a supervisor of that probe? >> well, if he is someone who is involved in investigating the president or if this report is true that he offered to wear a wire to obtain incriminating statements made by the president. we still don't know what all those facts are, whether he did this, whether he did so in jest or had a genuine concern about the president's ability to serve and was acting the best interest of the country by invoking the 25th amendment. what president trump is doing is actually making sense which is, let me talk to him face to face on thursday and get a sense of what this is all about. but it could be that rod rosenstein, even if he survives his job finds himself in a position where he has to recuse himself from the investigation
and then in effect may be the same which is that we now have someone else taking over the supervision of this investigation. >> you are shaking your head. i want to let you react and also ask you if you should take over control of the house which looks increasingly possible by the chaotic day. were you prepared to embark upon impeachment proceedings for the president? >> i think it's too early to say that. we don't know enough yet. we have to wait and see more facts. and that's one of the reasons why the mueller investigation is so important. it's certainly a possibility. certainly if the president were to act in a way to shut down the mueller investigation or greatly impede it, that would be another major indication of the president involved -- being involved in massive obstruction of justice. probably an obstruction of judgment, too, but that's -- >> probably predates the obstruction of justice. >> it's an impeachable offense, but i think it's too early to
make those determinations, and we should concentrate now on making sure that the investigation can go forward properly. the investigation of the russian involvement in our election and the investigation of the ongoing obstruction of justice which is equally important. and we should -- we won't, but we should pass that legislation that's been pending for, what, four, five, six months to protect the mueller investigation. but that's of key importance. >> last question. if the president has been convinced by people like sean hannity and tucker carlson, for better for worse not to fire rod rosenstein, what would your message to rosenstein be today? to hang in there? >> to hang in there as his patriotic duty to make sure that mueller can follow the facts where they lead and that he's not either fired or compromised in terms of the investigation being told don't look here, don't look there. that's rosenstein's duty, and i don't think he's got -- no
matter what happened in that disputed conversation, which led to nothing. there was no invocation of the 25th amendment. no wiretapping of the president. i don't think that precludes him from -- or puts him in a conflict of interest situation that would preclude him from doing the job we need him to do. >> thank you for spending time with us. after the break, the kavanaugh nomination was supposed to supercharge republicans as they limp into the midterms battered by an unpopular president and constant chaos. how his crisis has rocked republican chances. could help them save money on car insurance? yea,that and homeowners, renters, motorcycle and boat insurance. huh.that's nice. what happens when you catch a fish? gecko: whoa. geico. more than just car insurance. see how much you could save at geico.com. i'm ok!
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saying in a statement, quote, once again, those alleged to have been witnesses to the event deny it ever happened. there is now a frenzy to come up with something, anything, that will block this process and a vote on my confirmation from occurring. these are smears, pure and simple. and the president agrees with him. again voicing support for his supreme court nominee this morning. >> he's a fine, fine man. a great scholar. great at everything he's ever done. and it would be sad indeed if something happens to reroute that. this is a fine man. and we certainly hope he's going to be confirmed and quick ly. his family has suffered. his family has suffered. what's going on is not something that you should happen. brett kavanaugh is an absolute outstanding person. hopefully he will be confirmed quickly. thank you very much. >> that was just moments ago in new york. joining us is ron clan, former chief of staff to biden and gore
and former chief counsel to the senate judiciary committee during the clarence thomas hearings. barbara mcquade is still with us. let me start with you and your thoughts about, not just where this nomination stands. it seems to be in serious jeopardy, but the conduct of the president and the republicans seems to be to allow no prospect, no possibility that these allegations, which as detailed in "the washington post" last week, couldn't be read any other week than as credible. >> yeah, i think they've -- i think what that says about their view about women in these claims is one thing but as a matter of process, it's hard to explain. i was chief counsel of the senate judiciary committee when democrats controlled it and george h.w. bush was president. we sent it to the fbi, the white house. a conservative white house counsel sent it on to the fbi. and the fbi ran it to ground. the assistance by the trump white house and by the
republicans on the judiciary committee that the fbi would not be brought in to look into this charge, to look in the other information that's coming out, does no service to the process. in the end, it does a great disseverance to judge kavanaugh because there's no independent investigation for the senators to go on and as they go weigh this information. >> i want to let you elaborate on that. this is a point getting lost by republicans who probably intend to make things better for kavanaugh but not allowing her account to be viewed as credible. whether you believe her or believe him, this is about getting to the facts. can you elaborate on that point? i think it's important and lost. >> sure. no nominee likes to be investigated. let's just accept that, nicolle. but it's in the interest of the nominee, him or herself, and the institution to which they're going to be names, the supreme court, to run these things to ground. to find out what happened.
that means having the fbi interview the person bringing the allegations. interview the nominee. look at the available evidence. we hear third hand, fourth hand. he has calendars from his high school days. he is talking to friends. but all this is being done in a slap dash extraordinary way. that's why the fbi, professional, neutral investigators, look into this material. supplement background files with new information as it comes up and create a basis on which people can make a judgment. the effort to rush this nomination from the start, to not turn over all of judge kavanaugh's white house papers, to just kind of ram this thing through is kind of part of what's coming home to roost here instead of running this through the appropriate, regular full, complete process. >> what ron is perhaps not articulating completely, but i sure will is that this will not end, even if he gets on the court because we have had no
vetting of all of these allegations. the fbi has not gone out to interview the yale people who say that they heard deborah ramirez calling out brett kavanaugh's name or others heard this about this incident because we have not had that. these can always be raised again. there may be other women. there may be more people who come forward. and what do we do then? we embark on an impeachment of a sitting supreme court justice? there is no way that kavanaugh wins with questions still pending, with controversy still out there and how many of us are confident that we've talked to all the women that we've heard from all the women who have witnessed or been a part of this? we now have one of the witnesses from complainant number one, mark judge, who makes an appearance in the new yorker story as someone who apparently told an ex-girlfriend, yeah, i was involved in this incident of having sex or more than one people having sex with a woman who was drunk. gosh, don't you think the fbi
should go talk to him? what if he writes a book later on where he confesses what he told to his girlfriend. this has the opportunity, this has the possibility of corrupting the supreme court, of throwing in doubt every decision they make with him on the court. this is serious stuff. and they are treating this like just another political game. i would also add this notion, particularly by lindsey graham, which i find appalling for a military lawyer that there is nothing to investigate is preposterous. ronan farrow and jane mayer are out investigating and finding witnesses and finding confirming evidence. you can't simultaneously say there's nothing to go on and and at the same time say the fbi can't go look. those two things are completely incompatible and it's indicative of people running scared and people who think they can just jam it through because they have the votes. well, we're going to test the meddle of people like jeff flake and susan collins and lisa murkowski. >> those are the four.
this is, if you want to keep up the analogy that you and ron have talked about, this is the political game they're playing. lisa murkowski, susan collins, jeff flake and bob corker. those are the votes they're watching. is it your sense the white house thinks this is salvageable or a sure thing or in peril? >> i think they think it could be salvageable but they're worried about it and look at their options and don't have a better option than trying to keep going. if this falls apart, they're not getting another nominee put through before november. they look at the impact on november and they want to animate conservatives and excite them by putting another conservative on the supreme court. they're trying to get everybody to go back to their corners by turning this into yet another partisan fight and getting everybody to look at it through that lens. but there is risk in that. as they try to attack the process and try to attack democrats, you heard mitch mcconnell doing it again. the president saying the same thing. it's hard to do that without at least implicitly attacking or dismissing the women here.
and saying, you know, like the president did, this happened 30 years ago. why are we just hearing about it now? it's awfully fishy. mcconnell last week told the president that's not helpful. today was saying the same thing on the senate floor. as women see these accusers dismissed leading into the election, whatever cahappens wi kavanaugh, that's not helpful for republicans. >> professor ford has invited the scrutiny and, really, the turning upside down of her life and of this, hat she describes as a painful memory by the fbi. when an accuser does that, what does that look like to law enforcement? does that usually mean these confident in her facts or that she's telling the truth? >> yeah, i think that there are a couple things she has done that enhance her credibility. one is inviting the fbi to come in and look at her past. look at her life and scrutinize this story. the other thing she's done that gives her credibility is putting at the scene mark judge. this is somebody who is a friend of judge kavanaugh.
someone who would likely take his side and yet she puts him at the scene to say ask him. i think both of those things lend credibility to the story she's telling. there's two issues going on with the members of congress here and mitch mcconnell. one is saying, you know, do we believe her? and if we -- even if we do believe her, is this a big deal? he seems to be suggesting by his words and actions that the answer is no. most people would say the answer to those might very well be yes. do we believe her? let's at least find out what she has to say by giving this a full investigation. and if we find it to be true, is it a big deal? sexual assault is a crime. if someone commits it today at age 17, they'd be charged with a crime as an adult. if they were convicted could be sent to prison and would be required to register as a sex offender for the rest of their lives. those are the stakes. and i think she has suggested that she's very open to an investigation. i think we owe it to her and all the girls on judge kavanaugh's basketball team to send a message that we take these allegations seriously. >> last word.
>> i'm not surprised by the moral failing here. the refusal to even give any space to the idea that she might be telling the truth. the victim attacking they continue to do. they don't care about any of that. they want the seat just as they didn't care that donald trump had confessed on tape to sexual assault. they wanted the presidency. i'm surprised by the political blind spot they can't see how this plays around the country with, and not just with women but with a lot of men, too, who have seen this awakening in this country in the last year and a half about the way women are treated. and that awakening has not extended to the republican members of the united states senate. there's time for them to withdraw this nomination and still get another nominee confirmed before the new senate takes place in january. they could do this in the least politically harmful way possible. they seem dead set against not doing that. >> all right. barbara mcquade, thank you. when we come back, you've heard of the blue wave. get ready for the pink wave. new reporting from "the washington post" about how women may help usher in an electoral rebuke of donald trump's alpha male style of governing. alpha
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well, the fate of the kavanaugh nomination is still unclear. the accusations against him could prove to have dramatic political consequences come november. especially for a party led by donald trump. "the washington post" reports quote strategists in both parties say trump's agenda and style and the fact that the gop leadership stands mostly in lock step with him are undoing years of often painstaking work to court more female and minority voters. he solidifies the republican party as the party of men. he's framing the midterm elections as a referendum on his presidency and that has leaders and operatives in the party fearing what has been termed a pink wave of women powering a democratic takeover of the house or perhaps the senate to deliver a rebuke to trump. if you wonder how the
president's female advisers stand by while he attacks and anchors plastic surgery or makes derogatory remarks about female politicians or stands by roy moore, consider this from "the post" report. inside his orbit there's been what one former white house official called a mindness to gender issues. as a political liability in part because the president resents the accusations that have been brought against him personally and because they see the broader issue as a liberal talking point. i'm sorry, it's not a liberal talking point to think that women deserve better than a president who stands by his endorsement of an accused child molester of roy moore. >> this guy reminds you of your abusive ex-husband. he's a bully, he lies. he makes your life miserable. you feel the contempt from him. he makes you feel like a nonperson that's what american
women see when they look at this man and when he stands by as you said roy moore, when he goes after multiple now women complainants who have come forward to lodge complaints against judge kavanaugh, and pursues either a mistaken identity thing or a nutty and slutty theme as they did with anita hill, the american recoil and i think men as well. you have already seen the women running for office like never before. we saw a little bit in my home state in virginia in 2017. suburban women turned out in droves. >> ron, let me fete you on the politics and get you on the one woman who seems to break the mold, stormy daniels, she's out with a new book and she's outtrumping trump by being more crude than him, talking about the body parts. this is a body part day and getting under his skin by going
at him where it hurts. his -- you know, his ego. his frail male prowess if you will. and it seems like if there's a political lesson here it's sort of fighting fire with fire. is that something the democrats have to take into consideration? >> i don't know about that -- >> you're not going to nominate stormy daniels? >> no, nor am i going talk talk about where it hurts. the big ore issue -- bigger issue is how the republican party is remaking itself in the american image and not that trump carries a pall over his party, but the republican candidates kind of mimic trump. so you have the republican nominee for senate in north dakota this week running against an incumbent woman, heidi hide camp, say about this kavanaugh incident that, you know, it was just the attempt that never went anywhere. as if, you know, what happened, what wasn't a serious attack at all.
so, you know, i think it's not trump himself is a problem for republicans but republicans are acting very trumpy and that's going to get them in trouble. record number of women running for office, 180 democratic women are running for the house, 50% more than any year in american history. the previous record is 120. that's a pink wave coming and it will have a big impact this fall. >> god willing. we're due a pink wave. let me put up something that came into us. kavanaugh and his wife sat down with martha mccallum on fox news. let's look at a clip. >> did you ever say, we're out, this isn't worth it? >> i won't let false accusations drive us out of this process d and, you know, we're looking for a fair process. i can be heard and defend the -- my integrity, my life long record. my life long record of promoting
dignity and equality for women starting with the women who knew me when i was 14 years old. i'm not going anywhere. >> eli? >> well, i think it's interesting. that has to be viewed in the context of the last 48 hours and the republicans ramping up this line of the democrats and they're politicizing this nomination pro ses. what you see is a political shop and the rnc everybody trying to defend him. you see them putting kavanaugh on television fighting this in the pr space ahead of thursday's hearing. ahead of when dr. ford is supposed to testify first. she will testify after this interview tonight. she's reportedly turned down a lot of press interviews and wants to keep this just in the space of the senate hearing on thursday. but they're out there. they are fighting a pr battle on the republican side.
they are digging in on this because again i don't think they see any other great options for them at this point. and, you know, this is -- it's just fascinating. i think people will be watching this tonight. but he's telling his story and getting out in front of the accuser for sure. >> and he's doing it on fox news. speaking to for human beings, murkowski, senator corker and senator flake, do you think that is helpful? >> it might be helpful with the few senators. look, obviously it's the playbook from a number of male accusers. they do the interview with their wife and bill clinton did that in 1992. they're worried he doesn't make it until thursday because you could come out before the hearing and answer these accusations then. i think they're worried that if lisa murkowski and susan collins said our votes aren't there, don't put the country through the hearing, don't put the republican majority through the hearing where you have 11 male
republican senators glowering at dr. blasey ford from the dias, it will be harmful for us. they can't wait for thursday to tell the story and let's be honest they need to do it under much friendlier questioning. he won't be asked did he drink until he blacked out, is there other women? he'll get a much more friendlier audience. >> there are some questions that he deemed too personal. >> that was first sense i got that there are people in the white house who would rather he not go through this. you do not leak those source of details if you have complete confidence in the nominee. it was an effort that he should wake up or maybe we should get him out of to way. this is not going to end on thursday. you have another accuser, deborah ramirez, with multiple confirming witnesses. how does susan collins and jeff
flake who said i'm not going to vote until i hear from this woman. this not going to end on thursday. >> let me give you the last word. can you speak to how you see this interview in the context of what we're discussing all hour about this nomination in controversy? >> i think it's a sign of the politicization of the process, they're putting him out on fox, as opposed to the neutral outlet. but you know the last time the republicans jammed through a nominee was 1991 and they got their man in the end. but they lost the elections badly in 1992. you know, justice should be done -- as with judge kavanaugh, but then the women of america will have the final say come this november. >> do you think there's any space in this debate to slow this down? do you think it would behoove the republicans to say at the beginning of your appearance here it's in his interest too to slow this down.
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human hands an army of roots creep over and around them like tentacles even the plants seek to destroy. the king of death known to the brahmans as shiva who would throw his enemy to the animals to be devoured appears to have foreseen that men would build palaces and temples as a lasting memorial to their greatness to demolish these monuments he devised other means of destruction like the ruinous fig tree that nothing can withstand. jayaraman the seventh king to rule over a devastated country the capital had been razed to the ground the fields leached out and most of the irrigation systems destroyed his new temple city was laid out on traditional canal lines the central temple mount and lies within
a wall surrounded by a moat. broad dikes decorated with stylized cobras cross over the water the snake's body is held aloft by fifty four giants gods and demons on either side of the city gate. jayaraman the seventh built on core tom within the boundaries of the ancient capital of the canary empire the power and wealth of the commands stemmed from a special combination of natural advantages and religious ideas. the commands made full use of abundant water supplies wild woods and lakes well stocked with fish to develop their culture the remains of complex irrigation systems are clear evidence
of their technical prowess these systems allow them to harvest rice three times a year. the temples of encore are all surrounded by wide moats symbolizing ancient mythological oceans in the center of the earth stands the mountain of nehru poll of the forces of the universe and seat of the gods the temple symbolizes this mountain. the irrigation systems were also used for the religious ceremonies held in the hundreds of temples that. in the eleventh century that was the central shrine of the canary capital here to the path leading to the pyramid a representation of the holy mountain passes over
a reservoir of water. great skill and artistry are displayed in the reliefs on the walls and doorways of this temple. close by the so-called king's terraces cover an enormous area three hundred meters long and fourteen meters wide wooden buildings once stood here. the king would have watched ceremonies and parades from this vantage point and this is where he would have received official guests and settle disputes between his subjects. the diary of a chinese traveler and twelve ninety six gives us an impression of court life under the command monarch. when the king leaves the palace grounds soldiers march at the
front of his retinue the minister in princes ride on elephants accompanied by more than one hundred gold patent parasols. behind them comes the king standing on an elephant is priceless sawed in his hand. the tusks of his elephant are incased in gold more than one hundred white sunshades with handles the knobs of gold are held around the king. girls from the palace accompany the procession around three to five hundred of them dressed in floral robes with fresh flowers in their hands.
more girls follow carrying lances and shields then come the wives and concubines of the king carried either in letters or a carriage or seated on horses or elephants. jayaraman the seventh was the first buddhist king of cambodia he saw himself as the living buddha at the end of the twelfth century he ordered the building of the central temple and uncle aton the day on his religious status and social and military
achievements are illustrated in reliefs around the temple lost. lives detail scenes from the everyday life of the khmer people correspond perfectly with the chinese travelers reports. rice is cooked in an earthenware pot and the sauce is prepared on an earthenware stove the rice is served on ceramic o. copper plates from china the source is brought to the table in leaves rolled together to form a small cup. when this cup is full nothing will drip out of it spoons are also fashioned out of these leaves to scoop up liquid food and convey it to the mouth after the meal they are thrown away he continues in this country it's the women who do the trading there are no shop premises but instead each of
them spreads out a matter on the ground everyone has their own appointed place i was told that they have to pay the mandarin to hire a patch small purchases are paid for in rice cereals or chinese articles then come textiles only major transactions involve payment in gold or silver naturally the king did not admit to have his great victories and that holds in moralized in stone and proclaim his fame on staley. ascended into the heavens above the field of battle he eclipse the beauty of the moon and stars the princes of the sky and sharman as brightly as the rising sun.
that his gaze every hostile army would flee and tara turning away its face like a young brown good fortune like a shameless and practiced quarter clung readily to the breast of this hero. the magnanimity if this ruler is demonstrated by his recording not only his victories but also his great defeat at the hands of the camel army in eleven seventy seven the camp people from the country to the north now the non successfully resisted the expansionist incursions of jayaraman the seventh. the architecture of the temple of bay on is quite exceptional. the forty five metre high tower in the center is surrounded by forty nine smaller towers from which one hundred seventy two gigantic faces of buddha gaze outwards in all directions the day on is not only the seat of the gods but also
a manifestation of the king's own divine power they seem to north south east and west. the comerica temple grounds were cities in themselves chronicles described how hundreds of wooden buildings stood between essential shrike and its surrounding walls. these how's the priests and their assistants. according to one account eighteen high priests two thousand seven hundred forty officiants two thousand two hundred two assistant priests and six hundred fifteen dancing girls served in one single shrine and a vast store of treasure was piled up in the shrine five tons of gold plates thirty five. forty thousand six hundred twenty pearls four thousand five hundred forty precious stones nine hundred sixty seven veils of chinese silk.
they are always the last known building to be constructed in the ankara period the golden age of the khmer culture. anchor tom with its central temple the bay on remains a great monument to the commander civilization that was ravaged by war and subverted by colonialism and gradually over the centuries sank into oblivion. and. peace
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>> i kneeneed a trophy. thank you, i appreciate it and happy friday. we start with the final fare wells to a giant of the house of representatives, elijah cummings. funeral services are starting as we speak in his beloved baltimore. the church is so packed they're having to turn some people away. you will see speeches live from hillary clinton and nancy pelosi this hour and later today from former presidents barack obama and bill clinton. they have halted congressional action on the impeachment inquiry today, but there are still two big developments this morning. a top source is telling nbc news that investigation into the russia investigation is now a criminal one. we're going to explain what that means legally, the extra power the doj now has, and why democrats are livid. and just in the last couple of minutes, nbc news learning lawyers for ousted national security adviser john bolton are in talks for a possible private deposition in the impeachment
investigation. why that's explosive. but a current white house official, we're learning, agreeing to cooperate, too. the fallout from both sides of the aisle and the white house as we speak with a lawmaker fresh off a trip to ukraine, ready to tell us what bill taylor told him. our nbc news team is here. we're going to get to the impeachment developments. i want to start with geoff bennett in baltimore. elijah cummings worshipped at this church for nearly 40 years and this is set to begin in a matter of moments for now with a procession of clergy and family and some very high-profile speeches. >> reporter: you're right about that, hallie. and from our vantage point here in front of the church, for the last 20 minutes or so we've seen a steady extreme of dignitaries make their way in. nancy pelosi and the former president and joe biden walking hand in hand. we've seen senator warren, also
amy klobuchar. so today we expect a public celebration for elijah cummings, born the son of share croppers in 1951 into the jim crow south, now departing this life into the detect. he was one of the lions of the u.s. congress. and we heard nancy pelosi yesterday say that she called him the master of the house for his keen political sensibilities, but she also referred to him as a mentor of the house, geven tiven the way e helped freshmen lawmakers. we saw alexandria ocascio-cortez, rashida tlaib, ayanna pressley. he mentored the three of them. it is a remarkable life that he lived and that's one of the reasons why we expect to hear from former presidents today. >> we are going to be carrying those speeches, geoff, live here coming up in just about 15, 20
minutes or so. please let us know who else you're seeing walking in the church and how we're doing on timing. i appreciate that. in the meantime, we also want to talk about the bombshell from the justice department. the doj review of the russia investigation, you know the investigation into the investigation president trump has wanted, has now turned into a criminal now. so the doj is investigating itself. that's what this means. the u.s. attorney from connecticut, john budurham is spear heading this thing. he now has the power to subpoena witnesses and em panel a grand jury and file charges, all against some of his own officials. i want to bring in now nbc news correspondent, julia ainsley who covers the justice department and kristen welker has some new reaction from over at the white house. julia, let me start with you. talk through the significance of this. really an escalation and one the democrats aren't happy about. >> reporter: that's right. it's important to keep in mind that we don't know exactly when
this turned into a criminal investigation. we just know that it is now. it began as an administrative review. but some of our reporting in the last few weeks has indicated that they had rash etcheted thi. people who are career officials at the cia have begun to lawyer up. you do if if you are told that you could face some kind of criminal exposure. it's going beyond what would be an internal review, much like an inspector general report or an office of professional responsibility report would be. now people could face criminal exposure as they're being questioned about the origins of the russia probe, what became the mueller probe. again, it's an investigation into the investigation. but what i'm hearing is that there's really a lot of irony in this, because the same questions are being asked about the durham probe that the durham probe is seeking to answer about the mueller probe. we're asking whether or not this is politically motivated. we know john durham was tasked with this by the attorney general, william barr, just
after the mueller probe wrapped and the president wanted a way to try to get to the bottom of this deep state conspiracy that he thinks is behind him. and we're asking what evidence they had that predicated a criminal investigation. what got them across this line? because at this point it doesn't seem that they do have the teeth behind this. and if they do, they're not telling us. that's the exact same question they are trying to answer as they look into how justice department investigators and fbi opened a probe in 2016 and whether or not they had enough information from reliable sources to get the warrants that led them to start monitoring some people in the president's or bit. so it's all very circular and hard to keep track of. but the main thing to know is that this investigation into the investigation has ratcheted to a new point and now people who were involved will now potentially be facing subpoenas or maybe even witnesses being called before a grand jury. >> one thing we do know,
kristen, is that democrats aren't happy with jerry nadler tweeting overnight the justice department has now become a vehicle for president trump's political revenge. you, i know, just had a chance to speak with a top white house official. what are you hearing? >> reporter: i did, hallie. defiance from the white house, mark short, of course, who is the vice president's chief of staff, firing back at democrats who are arguing that essentially the president is using the justice department as a political weapon. take a look at what he had to say just moments ago. >> kristen, i think that every american should have an expectation for impartial justice, and i think that every american has a right to know whether or not the obama justice department was pursuing political goals. and all that i understand is that the inspector general has a report coming out that is leading to potentially additional criminal probe. and so i think we all have a right to know about that and we'll find out soon enough.
>> reporter: hallie, to your point, this is something that president trump has been calling for. he's been trying to discredit the mueller investigation for years, referring to it as a witch hunt and a hoax. we know that ultimately mueller didn't find sufficient evidence to prove a conspiracy, but he did lay out 140 instances in which there was contact between the trump campaign and russia and ten separate instances which he said could rise to possible obstruction of justice. so that is the backdrop against which this all is occurring and unraveling. now, i also had the chance to ask kellyanne conway if president trump was briefed by the attorney general, if he's been in contact with bill barr about this investigation, and she said she's not sure, hallie. >> julia ainsley and kristen welker, thanks to the both of you. we want to get to capitol hill because we have new reporting on this. in the past hour nbc news has learned lawyers for fired national security adviser john bolton have been in touch with
house committee officials who want to interview him. we know from our reporting that bolton was not happy with how the ukraine call initially went down back in july. the call that triggered impeachment inquiry. we've also learned that tim morris son has agreed to comply with investigators. a new poll finds americans are evenly divided, 49 to 49% on whether president trump should be impeached and removed from office. break it down along party lines, no huge surprises there. most democrats say yes, about the same number of republican voters say no. but look all the way to the right. more independent voters, 53%, say the president should be impeached and removed from office. if you're in the white house, that is the column you are looking at. msnbc's garrett haake is here joining us now. garrett, this bolton news i think is very interesting because this is somebody who lawmakers, democrats that i've spoken to, absolutely want to hear from. and frankly, given the way that
based on my sources and my reporting, bolton left the white house, he may have some stories to tell. >> reporter: he may, hallie. and that's part of the reason democrats do want to see him come testify, either in a closed deposition like setting or at an open hearing. but look, bolton is somebody who was so close to all of this decisionmaking, the way that democrats have approached these depositions, it was essentially start on the outside, starting with the whistle-blower report and working their way closer to how these decisions are made. if indeed bolton does come, he could give a private closed door deposition and potentially provide a lot of information that way. i look at this from the political perspective and think that bolton is probably someone who democrats would like to see testify at an open hearing eventually if they get that far, just because he's someone that the american public will know. this is not a case of a diplomat who nobody had ever heard of. this is someone who has been a major political feature. >> everybody knows who this is. >> reporter: if you have followed politics over the last
three presidential administrations, you know who john bolton is and that will be part of making the public case potentially if democrats can get that far. and i should add it is our understanding discussions are happening within a very small group. most members don't even know the details of what's been discussed with bolton's attorneys so far. >> there's also a piece that democrats now -- and this was alluded to yesterday on this show about whether or not the whistle-blower would testify or not and it seems like more and more democrats are saying, hey, we don't need this whistle-blower to testify. republicans are like, hey, bring it in. >> reporter: yeah, there are a couple different things going on. first the idea of protecting the whistle-blower's identity. there were a lot of concerns about his or her physical safety. the idea that this person should not be named and outed publicly is something that lawmakers, frankly in both parties take
seriously. but for the political aspect of it and moving the impeachment inquiry forward, republicans were hammering the whistle-blower from the start as someone who had second or third-hand information. what you've seen now is democrats say let's get a little bit closer to the folks who did have first-hand information and that's what we've done. so while the whistle-blower brought things to the democrats' attention, he or she is less useful if there are first-hand accounts, documents, primary sources that can be used in their place. so the whistle-blower has this political quality, particularly for republicans, who can still attack this person as this figure who started this all who is a deep state operative or whatever they want to say. but as more and more of the whistle-blower's information gets confirmed, their actual testimony here becomes less important to the actual probe. >> garrett haake over on capitol hill, thank you for that. i want to actually pick up where garrett left off with democrat from california, a member of the house armed services committee who is joining us i think from sacramento.
thanks for being on the show. >> good to be with you. >> let's start with the whistle-blower, that he or she may not testify. do you think that this person needs to be heard? >> no, not necessary. all criminal probes start with some piece of information and then you follow the facts. that's exactly what the house of representatives is doing, following the facts. and indeed they're getting closer and closer to the president, and there is first-hand information now available. bolton certainly would be a very big first-hand actual participant in what was going on. so yes, we don't need to talk to the whistle-blower or hear that testimony. clearly that started it. from there, the facts are being laid out. there will be public hearings very soon, as all of this information will now be made public. but this is the gathering, if you will, this is the grand jury process. >> very soon, meaning maybe mid november as we've been hearing? >> well, that would be a good time, yes. but i'm not controlling that.
every day there's a new set of facts, a new path to be followed, and that could cause a delay as additional information comes in and the necessity of following that particular path. >> so it sound like you're hedging your bets a little bit on the timeline. you brought up somebody that i knew from my day job covering the white house, former national security adviser john bolton. we are now hearing from our team that bolton's attorneys are in contact with house attorneys about a possible closed-door deposition. how important is it to you to hear from john bolton privately? >> well, first privately, find out what he has to say, what is it that he knows, what first-hand information does he have available. he may very well be one of the witnesses in the public hearings that will inevitably take place here. in any case, he is extremely important. he was there, he was the national security adviser, and so right at the heart of the matter. and whether he had good relations with trump or not,
obviously those fell apart over the course of his work. >> this obviously has heightened interest, given the deposition from the acting ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, which we learned about. feels like a lifetime ago, just a few days ago. you are recently back from a trip to ukraine, i understand, and you had a chance to speak with the acting ambassador specifically about these text messages. i assume about his interactions with people inside and around the white house. tell me what you heard from him. >> well, first of all, we heard that ukraine desperately needed the american assistance, desperately needed the $390 million of military aid. we also visited the military, their ministry of defense. mr. taylor was with us, or ambassador taylor was with us at all of those briefings. he was very clear that money, that assistance, was desperate and had to be coming forward. it turned out that the moment that we got off the bus to meet him at the ministry of defense,
our cell phones went off with a text message. so we got off the bus and we had to brief discussion with him about it. and he affirmed, yes, that is my message, and yes, that's the way it was. unfortunately, we didn't get into any further discussions with him about that, because we immediately went to a ceremony in which every morning the ministry of defense honors those ukrainian soldiers that were killed on that day over the previous five years of war with russia. it was a very, very moving ceremony. we then went on to meet with the minister of defense. again, they needed american assistance and we knew then that it was being withheld, that it had been withheld, and had just recently been made available. >> very quickly, you're not on one of the three committees leading the impeachment inquiry. i spoke with a colleague of yours on the other side of the aisle, congressman matt gates, who was quite i think clearly angry and felt like this was not
a fair or public process, because he as a non-member of intel or foreign affairs or oversight was not able to be in the room for these closed-door depositions. do you also feel aggrieved in that way? are you also concerned that you can not be in the room based on the rules that are laid out in congress? >> absolutely not. matt, get over it. we all have our committee assignment. these are important and there are 47 republican members of congress that have the right to be in those committees to hear the depositions and to participate and ask questions. so get over it, matt. this is just a bunch of whining with no basis whatsoever. no, i have no concern. i know that i have confidence in my members, democrat and republican, that are participating. >> congressman gary mendy, i appreciate you bowing on the show. thank you. >> thank you. we want to take you back up to baltimore as the funeral now begins for congressman elijah
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followed by nancy pelosi. his long-time friend and colleague in the house of representatives. you can see several lawmakers are assembled right there. we're going to bring you remarks live here in just a couple of minutes when they happen as people around the country remember a beloved statesman, a powerful committee chair. we're keeping an eye on that. we also want to talk what's happening on the 2020 chain trail. believe it or not, we are now inside the 100-day sprint to iowa. just 100 days from the first votes being cast in the 2020 presidential election. just how important is this state? the last democratic nominee not to win it was bill clinton in 1992. and with the primary race seeming to be more in flux than ever, no clear front-runner, iowa is going to give us the first real glimpse into where voters stan. until this week the three leading the hack, joe biden, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders. but in the latest poll, look at
that, pete buttigieg is surging. leap frogging bernie sanders is take third place. i want to head to shaq brewster, and somebody who has been covering iowa politics for two decades for the state's biggest newspaper. opinion editor at the des moines register. i want to start with you, my road warrior. you're in one of 31 iowa counties that flipped from blue to red in 2016. how are the they making their pitch? >> reporter: we're here in jasper county. this is a county, as you mentioned, that flipped. it went with president obama in 2008 and 2012 and president trump in 2016. so these are the kind of voters that democrats want to bring back into their fold. and bernie sanders will be here later today at the maytag plant
speaking on the floor. and it's now -- maytag has closed, but new industry has come in. they're working on wind turbines. so he's going to be making a pitch for the green new deal. people are following what's going on with this primary. they have a list of top candidates. it's still moving and still somewhat fluid. they have their list of candidates. but what they want to hear are the substance and the policies from these candidates. i spoke to one republican who says he still plans to support president trump, but is still listening to what these democratic voters have to say, but doesn't think what they're saying -- he says there's a lot of in-fighting and what they're saying is not connecting with him. i spoke to another gentleman who says he has joe biden at the top of his list because he believes he has the most experience in this race. so 100 days out from the iowa caucus, people are still trying to figure out who they plan on supporting. but the thing that's important to them is that the candidates are coming to areas like these,
coming to their towns and communities and listening to what they want to hear. >> you've got to show up. and kathy, you've got to build the infrastructure, too. we talked about pete buttigieg doing well in some recent polling. elizabeth warren, senator bernie sanders, joe biden, they have a fair amount of offices. i think we have a list to put up of sort of the numbers, which i think are important. how important is that ground game piece? do you think this gives buttigieg a chance for some late-breaking momentum? >> it absolutely is important. a lot of people are attributing pete buttigieg's climb in the polls here in iowa to a good debate performance. and yeah, that certainly helped. that was part of why he is now in third place in this latest poll. but unless you have that campaign infrastructure to keep that momentum going, to capitalize on that, to get people to sign your pledge cards, to agree to go to caucus
for you, that little great debate performance could just be a blip. and you go back to where you were. so pete buttigieg is doing this at the right time. i mean, i think you look at some of the other candidates who might have seen a blip in the polls at some point because they had a good debate performance, like kamala harris, for example, she didn't have enough infrastructure on the ground after the first debate in order to keep momentum going. and now we've seen her slide 13 points in this latest poll down to 3%. so you can't overestimate how important a good -- and she has built up her infrastructure since then, hopefully for her it won't be too late. >> what about the rest of the field? the candidates who are more lower tier? as the "times" points out, most of the contenders are bound to depart the des moines airport next friday damaged, if not politically dead. does iowa also pick who is definitely not going to be the
nominee? >> that is definitely true. in fact, i would say that is the most reliable job of the iowa caucuses, is to what we in farm country like to say is whittling the field. whittling is very much an important job for iowa. we have had candidates departing already and it's the debates, i think, more than anything else that is doing that job right now. of course tim ryan just dropping out this week. but you have a lot of candidates who, you know, look at iowa as their very best chance. somebody like an amy klobuchar, for example, who is a midwestern neighbor to iowa. and who, by the way, at 3% is actually up in the polls. she has a very good organization here. had a good debate. so she is in a position where she could move up. but if somebody like her doesn't do well in iowa, there's really not any point in her staying in the race. >> kathy, shaquille, thanks to
the both of you. we want to go back to baltimore, because right now we are waiting to hear from hillary clinton at the funeral of elijah cummings, and after her house speaker nancy pelosi, former president obama. that of course has congressman marcia fudge, she is reading from the scripture, new testament. we're going to hear a bit of music and then remarks from hillary clinton while we keep an eye on that, and we want to bring in a couple of our next guests. we have nbc news reporter. mike, let me start with you. as we look at elizabeth warren there seated next to eric holder, it looked like, this is truly some of the luminaries in the democratic party coming in together to remember somebody who was so important to them, including barack obama and joe biden who are reunited at this moment. >> that's right, hallie. i wish i could be a fly on the
wall inside as we see this rare convening of the biggest names in the democratic party. and you're right, it is the first time the public is actually seeing the former president barack obama and joe biden, his vice president, together in public since biden announced his complain. biden mentioned obama almost at every turn. we're also seeing the last two democratic presidents and nominee, hillary clinton, and a handful of other 2020 contenders, senator warren doing a reading just now. we also saw senator harris arrive, tulsi gabbard and john dull lainy as well. >> talk about the expectations that you have for what you might hear from barack obama and hillary clinton as well. >> in addition to the tributes to a great man and a great democrat and a great american, i think from all of these sig a
dignitaries who are about to speak, we are going to hear messages about what we are as a nation. in the life of congressman cummings, you have the peril and the promise of america. by peril, i mean he's the son of share croppers. he's a descendant of slaves, and yet despite oppression, jim crow, segregation, discrimination, racism, this young man who a counselor told would not amount to anything because he didn't speak well, went on to -- and would not become a lawyer, went on to become a lawyer, went on to be elected to the maryland house of delegates, went on to be elected to congressman, became the chair of the congressional black caucus, became the chair of the house oversight committee, became the person who was at the center of the impeachment inquiry, who was signing subpoenas within hours before he passed. this is a man who is a fierce partisan. fierce partisan when it came to
the battle of ideas. and the battle of who we are as a country doing right by people. >> eric johnson is also joining us as well, someone who knew congressman cummings. i want to read to you an op ed from a huge group of cummings' former staffers. it's a different side of cummings. these are from the people who knew him best and worked with him closest. they say that he insisted -- i'm going to read it, he insisted they write on personally interviewing every staff member he hired so he could look into their eyes. he would ask why are they interested in public service, how we thought we could contribute and what motivated us? and then he would lean in and ask what feeds your soul? these staffers write that many of them left these interviews with tears in their eyes, talking about the personal connection that cummings made with everybody who worked in his office. >> his story is an american story. it's a story of perseverance.
it's a story of success. it's a story that future generations should know. i like the way jonathan laid out his history. but it also shows that he is as much of an american as any american can be. and for him to mentor and support and challenge staff is an example of what he was doing during his tenure in congress. holding systems accountable, ensuring that he understood the rules and that the president of this country followed the rules, and overseeing a very important process in this democracy. and that is the inquiry of an impeachment. many of us, we look in awe at the speech of barbara jordan during the nixon years. i think in future we will look in awe at the process and the example that congressman cummings laid out for all of us.
>> we just saw a shot of two republican members of congressman, mark meadows and jim jordan. mark meadows, of course, notoriously close with congressman cummings, kind of had his back in one of the moments when he defended his friend and colleague against allegations of racism. it's significant and i think it's interesting, the two of them sitting in a row right behind adam schiff. bitter partisan fighting on capitol hill unfolding, but in this church in baltimore, members of both parties are coming together to honor somebody. >> this is the capitol hill that i know. i worked in government for about a decade. i worked alongside people who worked very closely with elijah cummings. and the government i know, the capitol hill i know, it's a family. and even if you have your disagreements in those committee hearings and in the back rooms, you can go out and have a drink and you can go out and break bread and you can really share common purpose and common principles about our country. and i think that that friendship
between elijah cummings and mark meadows is what that's all about. i think it's remarkable to see someone like jim jordan there. we talked about how this was a constellation of very well known, notable democrats. there's going to be just as many republicans there in that office -- rather in that pew today and i think that that says something also about congressman cummings and his legacy as well. >> former presidents on their feet listening to this. can we just take a minute and just listen in to this moment that is captivating everybody who is in baltimore right now? ♪ after we've done all we can ♪ square your shoulders and lift up your head ♪ ♪ lift up your head ♪ because he's going to come through ♪ ♪ oh god's going to come through ♪ ♪ after the pain, after the rain ♪ ♪ oh, he's gonna come through,
yes, he will ♪ ♪ he promise he'll do what he said he would do ♪ >> it's remarkable when you look at this, president obama, that shot, he's singing right along to the power that's in this room here. and it is, joel, you called it the call-star game for the democratic party here. one thing i want to add to jump off your observation there. the other part i wanted to say about congressman coming is in addition to being a fierce partisan, he's an unflinching patriot. he cared about this country and he cared about the rule of law, he cared about the constitution. and so in him we see all of america. but i am so happy that we were able to see -- show the shot of congressman meadows and congressman jordan, because it shows that despite the differences, the parties can come together, the people can
come together. a funeral is a very human moment, a very human event. and by those two men and those two men in particular, to my mind, the fact that they are there and didn't use yesterday's ceremony to be their check-the-box, i've done my part to honor this man. the fact that they are there in baltimore in that baptist church is a wonderful thing. >> also, you know, and i'll be quick because i know that secretary clinton is coming up. he is one of the most notable cbc members we've ever seen, not just because of what he meant to the black community, but the bridge that he built to members and not just in his caucus, but on the -- >> on the other side of the aisle. >> on the other side of the aisle. really being a bridge to younger cbc members. i think that shouldn't be unsaid as well. >> derrick, i want you to jump in quickly, knowing that i may have to interrupt you once we see secretary hillary clinton take the stage in about 30
seconds here. >> what an appropriate song. after you've done all you can, you just stand. in this time of loss of civility, congressman cummings represented a civil patriot who stood up for the rights of individuals and for this democracy, despite many around him who simply worked to erode civility in congress. but after he did all he could, he continued to stand to ensure that this democracy represented all of us and that we had a government that will be accountable and his life testament is that. after he had done all he could, he stood strong for this country. >> the pastor is introducing the speakers that we will hear from today. the first one will be the woman who has just stood and is making her way up to the lectern, the podium. that is former secretary of state and former first lady
hillary clinton. she will begin the series of remarks and after that we'll hear from house speaker nancy pelosi. we're going to take a few minutes and listen in to what secretary clinton has to say. >> this is the day the lord has made. let us rejoice and be glad in it. because this is the day for the home-going celebration of a great man, a moral leader, and a friend. to bishop walter scott thomas and first lady of the church, patricia thomas, and the baptist church, thank you for welcoming us all here to reflect on the life and celebrate the service of elijah cummings. and to the cummings family, to
his political family, the constituents from the maryland congressional 7th district, thank you for sharing him with our country and the world. [ applause ] >> thank you, mia. as you have said so beautifully, you walked by elijah's side on this journey. thank you for your steadfastness, your resilience and your relationship. [ applause ] >> it is no coincidence, is it, that elijah cummings shared a name with an old testament prophet? whose name meant in hebrew, quo"the lord is my god" and who used the power and wisdom that god gave
him to up hold the moral law that all people a to. and because of all people are equal. like the prophet, our elijah could call down fire from heaven. [ audience reacts ] >> but he also prayed and worked for healing. he weathered storms and earthquakes, but never lost his faith. like that old testament prophet, he stood against corrupt leadership of king ahab and queen jezebel. [ applause ]
>> and he looked out for the vulnerable among us. he lifted up the next generation of leaders. he even worked a few miracles. and he kept reminding us, life is no dress rehearsal. the american people want to live their lives without fear of their leaders. and as leaders, we have a responsibility to keep the promises made when running for office, to make the lives of americans better. as elijah said, while we're all on this earth, that's my message. our elijah was a fierce champion for truth, justice and kindness
in every part of his life. [ applause ] >> his integrity and character, his can-do spirit, made him a guiding light in the congress. he pushed back against the abuse of power, he was unwavering in his defense of our democracy. he had little tolerance for those who put party ahead of country or partisanship above truth. [ applause ] >> but he could find common ground with anyone willing to seek it with him. and he liked to remind all of us that you can't get so caught up in who you are fighting that you forget what you are fighting for. [ applause ]
>> even his political adversaries recognized that it wasn't really about politics for our elijah. he led from his soul. he often said that our children are a message to a future we will never see. i saw that first-hand when i attended an event for the elijah cummings youth program in israel. [ applause ] >> a leadership program for young people in his district. and elijah didn't just put his name on the program and then forget about it. he interviewed every applicant. he was personally invested in their success. he wanted all of us to see our young people as he memorably
asked us to do when he gave the eulogy at the funeral for freddy gray, did you see him. by the time these young people came back from israel to baltimore, they had studied hebrew, they had seen and been seen, and made life-long friends, all because elijah cummings knew from his own experiences that it's one thing to learn abstractly about the world, but another to experience it with people different from yourself. learning from each other, lifting each other up. you know, elijah often said his philosophy was simple, do something, go out and do something, no matter how daunting a problem seems, no matter how helpless you feel,
surely there is something you can do. i think that remains his challenge to each of us, as he said, even if it seems small, there's usually something you can do if you are looking for it. you can defend the truth, you can defend democracy, you can lift up others. and toward the end of his life, he said i am begging the american people to pay attention to what is going on, because if you want to have a democracy intact for your children and your children's children, and generations yet unborn, we have got to guard this moment. this is our watch. our elijah knew, because he was
a man of faith and a man of the church, that life was fleeting and precious. and that's why he worked so hard to make every moment of his life count. when we're dancing with the angels, the question will be asked, he said, in 2019 what did we do to make sure we kept our democracy intact? [ applause ] >> i will end with the paraphrase of a poem that elijah recited in his very first speech in the congress. he said that he told himself this poem as many as 20 times a
day. i only have a minute, 60 seconds in it, forced upon me i did not choose it, but i know that i must use it. give account if i abuse it, suffer if i lose it. only a tiny little minute. but eternity is in it. thank you. elijah cummings, for your work, your service, and the lessons you leave us. god bless you. [ applause ]
[ applause ] >> good morning, baltimore. thank you, bishop thomas, for bringing us under this beautiful place to pay tribute to our darling, precious elijah, mr. president, mr. president, mr. vice president. [ applause ] >> madam secretary, distinguished guests who are all here for our darling elijah. as speaker of the house, i have
the sad honor and personal privilege to bring the condolences of the entire congress of the united states to mia, the cummings family, the people, the constituents of elijah's district, people of baltimore, to our entire country. i say that with great authority, because yesterday my friends and those of you who loved elijah, yesterday mia gave us the privilege of having a celebration of elijah's life in the capitol of the united states. [ applause ] >> the first african-american lawmaker ever to serve in repose, lie in repose in the capitol of the united states. [ applause ] >> it was so beautiful and, as
has been referenced, elijah brought people together in life of different parties and in his death of different parties. and that's why i'm so pleased that yesterday's service was very bipartisan. in fact, it took bipartisan agreement for elijah to lie in repose on the same place that abraham lincoln lay in repose in the capitol. [ applause ] >> and so today we have a very strong bipartisan of elijah's colleagues from the house of representatives, led by our chair of the black caucus, karen bass, our leader, john lewis, marcia who got the nod, and i'm happy to get it as well. and so many of our members of the house in a bipartisan fashion, please rise to be
recognized. and their families and their staff. elijah's staff. john lewis, where are you, john lewis? [ applause ] and we had a strong representation from the united states senate in a bipartisan way yesterday, today also led by ben cardin and chris val hollen bringing so many senators here today. bishop thomas, how brilliant was it of elijah's parents to name him elijah? as the secretary said, the god is my lord. as we know from the old testament there is a tradition to leave a seat at the table for elij elijah, might show up. but our elijah always made a
seat at the table for others. he made a seat at the table for children in education, for even members of congress so he could mentor them, for all who wanted to be part of the american dream. elijah himself personally lived the american dream and he wanted everyone else to have that opportunity. hence many seats at the table. how fortunate for our country that his parents also taught him to live up to his name. how blessed are we all to know him and to benefit from his friendship and his leadership. elijah was a proud man, proud of his heritage, proud of baltim e baltimore. [ cheers and applause ] and proud of america. he always appealed to our better
angels and to the promise of america, of calling us to live up to our principles and for a higher purpose. as he said, and all the words that we will use that are the best words are words that elijah used, was when we were not meeting the needs of children in our country, he said, we are better than this. he held himself to a high standard and that is why i called him the north star of congress, our guiding light. thigh, maya, forgiving me the opportunity to speak at the baltimore celebration as well as yesterday at the celebration of elijah's life. previously, i've seen some of you over time speaking as speaker of the house before at st. james epithetical church to
speak for congressman mitchell, a sad and proud day for the baltimore community and our country that day, paying tribute to parn was a personal honor. my d'alessandro family and the mitchell family had been friends for generations. now it is my great honor and personal sadness to join you at elijah's church to celebrate elijah's life. as i said, yesterday members of congress said goodbye to elijah. maya gave us the honor again of holding that official service in the statuary hall of the house. at that time i said it was appropriate because elijah was master of the house, master of the house. in his chairmanship of the committee on oversight and reform, he lived up to his responsibilities to hold the
federal government accountable to the laws of the land. one world i would use to describe elijah over and over again is future. he was there to make the future for our children whom he called, as has been said, our living messengers to a future we will never see, but he wanted for those children to have a future worthy of their aspirations, and he wanted them to have a future built on our values, continued to be billed on our family. as a master of the house, he was also the mentor of the house. anybody in here ever mentored by elijah cummings? i think so. it was no surprise that when we had this election and we won the congress that elijah said send me as many freshmen as you can because i want to help them be
oriented to reach their fullest potential in the house of representatives. so wonderful that he did that and all members, whether new or not, benefited from the generosity of his spirit. sometimes the candor of how we do our work, whether we asked or not, the candor was there and again it was an honor to share again this -- some of these thoughts about our dear elijah. elijah loved baltimore and his district. he was my baltimore brother in congress. we had our chats about baltimore all the time. he loved and respected his constituents. by example, he gave people hope. by his courage he fought for what is right. by his brilliance, knowledge and legal prowess, he made a difference in so many ways, fighting for gun violence prevention, expanding opportunity for everyone,
recognizing -- now, this was most recent -- recognizing the cost of prescription drugs hurt the health and economic well-being of america's working families. he was willing to reach across the aisle, even across the capitol, even down pennsylvania avenue. so it should be a source of pride to all of us who loved elijah that the committee chairman immediately named hr-3, the lower drug cost act now the elijah e. cummings lower cost drug plan. [ applause ] >> our baltimore connection gave me special entree into elijah's thinking that helped me as speaker. our love of the orioles and the ravens made it fun. thank you, baltimore, for your contribution to the greatness of
the united states of america. when i spoke on wednesday at my service, i acknowledged we would be honoring elijah today. we lost two great leaders in one week, we did, in baltimore. one of the things that elijah, my brother tommy and i, being from baltimore, and i representing san francisco, had in common was the pride we took in baltimore, our baltimore. another thing tommy, elijah and i had, in representing san francisco, had in common, that our hearts are full of love for america. they used to tell them in san francisco, love means letting other versions exist. that's exactly what elijah did. respecting, respecting the views
of others, reaching across the aisle, building community and consensus. thank you, maya, thank you to your children and your entire family for sharing elijah with us and for loving him so much. you were the source of his strength and inspiration. i hope it is a comfort to you that so many people mourn your sad loss and are praying for you at this side time. as we always pray for god to bless america, let us acknowledge that god truly blessed america with the life and legacy of elijah e. cummings, mentor, master of the house, north star, mr. chairman, master of the house, may he rest in peace, elijah cummings. thank you so much. [ applause ]
>> a standing ovation for house speaker nancy pelosi with those emotional remembrances of congressman elijah cummings speaking right after former secretary of state, former first lady hillary clinton. i'm back with joel pain, jonathan capehart, derrick johnson, mime memoli. you can feel the raw emotions in these speeches and the celebration of a life truly well lived. >> we saw speaker pelosi add her most raw, most emotional which telegraphed how close she was to elijah cummings. >> i would say elijah cummings, i know there was a "60 minutes" interview where he talked about his father. i was struck by that because i understand that as a black man, the idea of him carrying that legacy into the house with him. so this was a very strong,
different languages we fight with different things that's fine let me also think up for freedom freedom of speech and freedom of press. giving freedom of voice global news that matters d. w. made for mines. germany maybe europe's industrial things are quite different in the digital space in terms of infrastructure the country is behind most of its european pairs will look at how the government and in industry plans to change that. and consider the lobster fisherman in the u.s. state of maine are suffering from trump's trade war canadian colleagues snap up the market share. this is t.w. business. welcome germany's digital infrastructure continues to live behind other
european countries today politicians and lobbyists will be discussing how they can go about improving its industries summers here in berlin what's the current reality on the ground in europe's leading economy let's have a closer look well that's far from world class 1st coverage of high speed internet is still very patchy studies show that just 88 percent of households here even have access to the internet at speeds required for streaming video for example that's pretty bad for a country that prides itself and its technological prowess in international ranking germany finds itself odd on the list in 37th place to be exact and things don't look much better when it comes to while it's covers that is 4 g. there are dead spots everywhere only around 77 percent of the population have continuous. says to high speed wireless internet connections and especially when
you're driving down the country's famous also bon motorways at high speeds preferably you'll find that the podcast you streaming on spotify just stops now let's have a closer look at this with my colleague rob ward's who is looked into this story a bit more detail why is germany struggling so much with this problem well in terms of the internet there are various factors but one of them is good old fashioned german bureaucracy. is there for example for mobile internet there is a great deal of regulation that means that if you want to have a new master example it can take up to 2 years so if you want to improve the signal to an area you start on a long road that can take a while whereas you know it can take less than 6 months in other countries there's an argument that there's also a lack of competition among mobile providers there are just 3 main providers here
in germany that less than a lot of germany's competitors and there's a feeling that there's perhaps a lack of the competition that's required to drive up standards of the cartel than if it's only only 3 well i absolutely agree that the fact is that there are not enough of them pushing each other to cut costs and to try and improve the services because the cost of it's there in interesting also remains very high and in terms of broadband there's been a lack of modernization there as well for example telecom which still runs much of the infrastructure has opted to rather than install a hyper fast fiber optic cable to stick with the copper telephone wire that has been in there for decades and just slowly improve that and there's a feeling that that was probably short sighted we do know that many german businesses have struggled to digitalize who's to blame for the us or the lack of good internet it's obviously. a factor in that because you know if you want to
improve your technology you need to have a good internet connection new technologies are acquiring better connections not worse connections there's also a suggestion that germany's corporate culture might be to some extent to blame for this thought doesn't encourage innovation so traditional sort of set of german corporation is this pyramid of management whereby if you want to if you're at the bottom of new if you want to get an idea through where you have to ask your boss just to ask their boss who has to ask their boss and things of based on decisions made with consensus rather than people being allowed to act on their own and try things out and there's a feeling that that perhaps stifles creativity and so stifles digitalisation to some extent and also we can come back to your ocracy again if you want to call it that i mean data protection for example germany is very hot on protecting people's data but one of the side effects of that is that companies tend to be wary of new
technologies new software that might pose a risk to their data protection credentials so they tend to stick with old tried and tested systems so sounds very familiar what's being done about it well the government has got to act on this because it's already being used as a stick to beat them with in elections for example that the poor quality of connection in rural areas is something that the f.t. the far right party in germany has been using to to suggest that the government doesn't care about people in rural areas so the government is putting its money where its mouth is as such it's investing $100000000000.00 euros over the next 5 years to improve 5 g. to roll it out indeed and also said to improve the amount of fiber optic optic connections around germany because you saw you know the than 10 percent of germany's connections are done through fiber and for a developed democracy that was that sees itself at the forefront that's not enough
for the prophetic actually thank you very much rob warts from your business. outgoing mario drug officially steps down in a ceremony with european leaders today he will be succeeded by francis christine legarde the former chief of the international monetary fund is the 1st woman to hold the office the 63 year old business to focus on issues such as gender equality and climate change is no expected to bring major changes to e.c.b. these seabees monetary policy. now let's go straight to frankfurt the seat of the e.c.b. we have chosen to lead the standing by chelsea is that true what can we expect from of the e.c.b. led by pristina god just business as usual look art is pretty closely mirror and most of her public statements since being appointed to succeed him she's talked
about the need for a loose monetary policy for the foreseeable future she's also echoed in saying that you know monetary policy can only do so much and we really need governments to do more in terms of fiscal spending so they're definitely on the same page there at the same time look art is not she's not an economist and she's not a central banker so there is some talk about some some potential changes she's she's discussing doing a review of the c.v.s. policy in part to sort of men to their all of these rifts sort of that happening right now within the e.c.b. so we could see some changes through things like inflation and inflation targets through that. starting today what else can we look forward for this week. it's going to be an extremely busy week we continue to see earnings roland here in germany we're expecting volkswagen deutsche bank which investors are going to be watching closely for updates on restructuring we're also looking at the fed meeting
on wednesday where the fed is expected to cut interest rates and also you know the continuation of and to read out the we us jobs report where jobs are expected to job growth is expected to slow. busy people like you or me thank you very much shows the dilemma in front of. and to some of the other global business stories making headlines today europe's largest lender has p.c.'s said that its profits slipped 18 percent to $4800000000.00 in the quarter and want to further headwinds the bank has its headquarters in london it earns most of its profits in hong kong which has been crippled recently by widespread demonstrations since. french luxury goods group. reportedly offered $14500000000.00 u.s. dollars for jewell a tiffany the financial times reports that the owner of louis we told made the
offer for the iconic u.s. company earlier this month tiffany is expected to reject the big. space tourism is about to go public in a few hours investors can trade shares of virgin galactic on the new york stock exchange for the 1st time since its founding in 2004 virgin galactic has raised more than $1000000000.00 to develop a commercial service to take tourists into space. back here on earth is big business as specially the northeastern u.s. state of maine the industry built up a thriving trade with china now the trade war between the 2 countries has caused exports to collapse canadian fishermen are seizing the opportunity while the u.s. is looking for new markets. maine is renowned for its rocky coasts and
indian summers a week or 2 of warm weather that often comes and fall when the brilliant hues of the leaves are a major tourist draw now the a delicate state up in the northeastern most corner of the u.s. has also become a battleground in the trade war with china lobster fishers there are being hit hard by tariffs lobster exports to china are down 80 percent and michael libby is feeling the pressure. we have a good chinese market and we ship directly that we get these tariffs that are buying for us the buyer from canada's dad but there's they're buying our products in care because there's a terrorist from the chinese from here it's just it's kind of frustrating. there's a lot of hands on labor in catching lobster like baiting the traps michael and his crew men have put out $400.00 today. the industry in maine is strictly regulated to ensure it remains sustainable michael has to measure every single
animal caught and he too small have to be thrown back. they've caught around $500.00 of the cross stations today in portland harbor part of the catch and up with a distributor that packs the animals for transport around the world. last year the u.s. exported around 5 and a half 1000000 kilos of lobster to china this year it looks like it'll only be around a 1000000. not long ago china raised the tariff on them from 25 percent to 35 percent bad news for business owners like tom adams. we need all markets it's a big industry it's a big business for the state and they are there to be a secluded from 2 major market places due to tariff disadvantages is really makes it that much harder for a business to thrive and grow. canadian competitors have now seized around 90 percent of the law. star trade with china to make up for collapsing exports manes
lobster industry has to unlock new markets fortunately other asian countries like singapore and malaysia have begun to develop a taste for the product. as the trade war between the us and china drags on michael libby is now also seeking to sell as many of his lobster as possible to local restaurants. he doesn't get as much for them as he used to. but at least the beer at the end of the day is on the house. and that's it from me and the business to my station to the w. well stores is next right after this quick look.
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