claims, it's always possible that a high-level russian defector will appear sometime in the future with documents proving that jeff sessions is in fact a foreign agent, perhaps of a sleeper cell sent to alabama during the cold war and activated at vladimir putin's request during the last election, that would be a game changer. otherwise the russian conspiracy seemed to hit a cul-de-sac this afternoon in the senate, but that doesn't mean there are no scandals for congress to investigate. maybe the biggest one about, our intel services are corrupt and politicized and they're making very hard to run u.s. governmen government. they are running it themselves to some extent. consider how much of american politics now revolves around information that has been strategically, often misleadingly and illegally released for political effects. if the hearing he watched today are just one example. they took place in part because former fbi director jim comey told senators last week that sessions may have met russian ambassador kislyak at the mayflower hotel in washington
patrick mullen. now that sessions is finally testify, has his view changed, he joins us now, thanks for coming on. i don't expect you to agree with the attorney general's policies or his core beliefs as a senator, but i think we can both agree that when the former fbi director comes into open testimony and suggests as he did that sessions had some sort of untoward ties to russia or had done something wrong that he couldn't expand publicly and therefore had to recuse himself from the investigation, that's impugning a man's character without being specific, therefore unfair and it's awful to do that. >> i think you are putting a little bit of a spin on it, you said the attorney general did recuse himself because of his conflicts in the area so that's all the fbi director was saying. he actually said the opposite. >> excuse me, i appreciate that there was a bit of an error left there of impropriety and i agree with you is what i'm trying to say. we went there were other reasons, i think i'm quoting,
there are other reasons but i can't say what they were in public. he goes behind closed doors with senators and says we believe he may have met with the russian ambassadors for a third time. that's exactly what you don't want the guardians of your national intelligence to do, use it for unfair reasons for political gain. >> congressman maloney: you wouldn't have said that -- >> tucker: i'm not sure i know what you mean. i would always say that it's wrong for intelligence offers, or people whose job it is to hold the sequels atomic secrets, to use them against others for political gain. >> congressman maloney: are you saying we had preferred we would never have known about the watergate scandal? >> tucker: i would say i wish their careers and jobs wouldn't be destroyed. >> congressman maloney: a lot of white house aides went to jail. that's exactly the point i'm making. the point i'm making is, saying that jeff sessions had done something improper with russia, there were specific he testifies
openly today and at the end of it, are you convinced he's not a russian agent? >> congressman maloney: i'm actually not that concerned with what jeff sessions did. i think you're making a fair point that he has come in for a lot of suggestions for inappropriate activity for the russians without a lot of proof. there is a mountain of evidence that people like michael flynn and palmetto fork were getting paid improperly, lied about it. >> tucker: paid improperly by the russians? >> congressman maloney: as a matter of fact, exactly that. michael flynn has admitted to taking tens of thousands of dollars for a speech in moscow, didn't disclose it. as a former military officer he was required to. didn't get permission, lied about it on his forms and did the same thing with his interactions with kislyak. that's almost certainly a crime and i'm very concerned, i'm very concerned that we not muddy up the two things. >> tucker: jeff sessions the attorney general of the united states just testified all afternoon, mike flynn didn't. i'm talking about the sitting
attorney general who has been the subject of these implications that he is somehow betraying his country. >> congressman maloney: when you take these positions, sometimes you take some hits and the fact is that the last time he testified, he testified falsely under oath. that's not in dispute, he testified falsely about a meeting with the russian ambassador kislyak, who we know is the chief spymaster here in the u.s. >> tucker: hold on, if you are going to stipulate it, let's be clear, it is in dispute in his position as i was not acting, he was asked by the senator of minnesota, or you acting in a surrogate position, he wasn't. are you suggesting he was having an proper contract with the russians? >> congressman maloney: excuse me, i did not say that, i said he testified falsely and he admitted such later when he went out and sought to amend his remarks. he also failed to correct that testimony for months. >> tucker: i don't think he admitted that he testified falsely. i spoke about it on the side.
what is this about? it's about the implication that he's working for the russians. what is that? >> congressman maloney: the fact is that he testified falsely and that raised some questions, that's what we want to hear them. >> tucker: there's a couple other points, let's talk about those. one, he recused himself from the russia investigation, the president of the united states said that the firing of the fbi was at least in part or related to that investigation, there's a lot of legitimate questions about why jeff sessions was involved in t. that's also why -- >> tucker: not my job to defend jeff sessions, but it is nonsensical to say that the head of the justice department oversees the director of the fbi can't supervise because of the rest of russian investigation. >> congressman maloney: he should be recused from a conversation about firing that individual because of that investigation. that's the point. >> tucker: i think everyone would agree there are multiple reasons jim comey was prior.
the president gave us a number of them and one of them was his conduct more generally, his conduct earlier, but the point is jeff sessions runs the justice department, are you saying he shouldn't be involved? >> congressman maloney: i think what we understand is that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions gave reasons why jim comey might be at dismissed, i happen to agree with those in terms of his conduct in the last campaign. it was the president was that i was thinking about russia. that's the point, if the firing is about russia and sessions is recused from russia, he should not be involved in the firing, not stomach it's pretty simple stuff. >> tucker: if not actually simple in any way, you're making it so because it makes a clearer political hit. if you may agree or disagree with some of them, but it's not just about russia. the guy runs the justice department, you don't want them to, you didn't support it first place, get it, but it government democrats didn't win the presidency so you can't make that choice. the idea that he can't run the agency he's in charge of -- we do i didn't say that. >> tucker: what are you
saying? >> congressman maloney: he can absolutely when the agency for as long as the president wants them to, but he should not be involved with russia. the firing was about russia. >> tucker: would it be a little easier if you disagree with the the trump administrats policies on various things to just explain why you disagree with those rather than try to derail the whole executive branch of government with an insane merger conspiracy. can we just admit jeff sessions was not working on behalf of the russians, he's a patriotic american just like you are and we will drop the innuendo in the mccarthy tactics because it's counterproductive. >> congressman maloney: what we know that all all of the people we pay to do this tell us that we face an unprecedented attack by a hostile power. some of the stomach us want to know what they found that was. in the last few days we learned that they found 39 states. that's on top of what we knew if they did. i thought the jeff sessions was a senator from alabama and donald trump was a presidential candidate when that happened. barack obama was the president when that happened.
you are conflating things. the truth is jeff sessions had nothing to do with russia hacking various computer systems and there's no evidence to suggest otherwise, so why continue the charade? >> congressman maloney: what we know is that the russians were laser focused on lifting sanctions against the regime. they were successful in having republican party platform change, we don't know how or why. let me finish, excuse me. >> tucker: you don't know that. >> congressman maloney: they did change the platform, we don't know why. >> tucker: was kislyak there? i didn't see any russians. >> congressman maloney: excuse me, we know the platform was changed. >> tucker: or the russians in the meeting? the two i didn't say that, i said we should find out why it was changed. >> tucker: you just said that russia was white changed the republican platform. >> congressman maloney: i wouldn't make that allegation, but we ought to get to the bottom of it. >> tucker: [laughs] i'm against sanctions on russia, does that make me -- >> congressman maloney: you don't care about the invasion of
crimea or ukraine? spent i have a legitimate policy disagreement. mis by? >> congressman maloney: you are not a spy. >> congressman maloney: it is a mystery why they change that platform. there's a larger point that you i think were addressing. let me finish, the fact is that if the russians engaged in this attack, we should find out why. we should do it in a way that's fair and gets to the facts. >> tucker: he is allowed to do his work, you're implying that the russians were somehow in charge of the republican party platform, that they had an influence on the positions of the candidate for the campaign. >> congressman maloney: can i ask you a question? does it bother you that the administration officials are refusing to answer without invoking executive privilege in front of the united states senate committee? >> tucker: it depends what. i always want to know information rather than less. i do think, think it's fair for government officials in any administration to say it's privileged information. that's exactly right. >> congressman maloney: on
what basis -- >> tucker: he can say look, there's no national interest at stake, there's no reason, i don't want to divulge what i said to the president and if it comes down to it we will invoke executive privilege, you can debate that, i don't have strong feelings about it. if what i have strong feelings about is that democrats are trying to win a political argument by impeding the character of people. >> congressman maloney: these committees are chaired by republicans, you understand that? both committees. >> tucker: i'm aware. i literally don't care. people like you are leading and innuendo-based charged against her political opponent. >> congressman maloney: you're talking about senator mccain and senator burke. >> tucker: fair at fault for letting this -- >> congressman maloneyocrats, ws distinguished that. you were outraged on this network in 2012 when the fact that the committee was not allowed to get information. >> tucker: i don't remember my outrage at the time. >> congressman maloney: it's a difficult thing. luckily, we looked it up. >> tucker: [laughs]
, you got me there! i was in moscow taking orders, getting my payment. >> congressman maloney: why are you not outrage? >> tucker: [laughs] i don't know! i don't know what you're talking about! we interviewed sessions three months ago on march 2nd. he was entirely forthcoming or seem to be, but the nature of his meetings with kislyak during the rnc in cleveland. >> according to news reports we will met twice with the russian ambassador in person and had one phone conversation with him, is that the extent of your contact with them, those three? >> a.g. sessions: i don't remember whether i had a phone conversation with him or not. i spoke with the republican convention at a conference with some 50 ambassadors. after i spoke i walked down from the podium and i mingled with a number of people and we met at that occasion and have a chat. otherwise i left shortly thereafter. that's the only two times i recall having met him, perhaps i
have. i'm on the armed services committee and sometimes you meet people like that, but i don't recall having met anyone, having met in any other time. >> tucker: why do you think the russian ambassador wanted to meet with you a couple times? what was their objective? >> a.g. sessions: i met with him after i spoke and we chatted on the floor of this meeting and then he called to meet with me, i literally met with 25 ambassadors during this period of time. many of them were attempting to sell their country, assert the issues that they thought were important to their public safety and their issues that they felt were necessary for them and i would just listen, frankly. very little occurred in those meetings, but i kind of enjoyed them, it was a good experience. >> tucker: it made sense. in the months since, how much of
what he said has proved to be untrue. none of it that we have seen, it sessions admitted there could be a short encounter he may have forgotten about, again we ask, why did the senate pull this off in the first place, why did this hearing happen? for the answer to that question we go to really our favorite person to ask these questions of that is brit hume, our chief political correspondent. what's the point of this? >> i think the point was to give sessions a chance to clear his name, which had been dragged through the mud over a period of months now by various leaks and suggestions and innuendos including the most recent bash from james, himself, who by the way it did not have a good day today. i think this is a hearing that should not have needed to be held, but it was. so that sessions -- by the way, meeting -- appearing before a group of men and women who know him very well and have known him, most of them, for many years and know that he has
basically a decent and honorable man of whom it would be almost absurd to imagine that he would be, colluding with the russians on anything. he was a conservative senator from alabama. the absurdity on the face of it hasn't mattered. >> tucker: he was tough on russia when it actually mattered, holding half the world hostage. >> brit: there was never any real evidence that he colluded. but we ended up talking about was meetings with the russian ambassador. it's possible to think of things more commonplace in washington than officials and members of congress meeting with the russian ambassador, but it's not that easy. >> tucker: [laughs] >> brit: this man and his predecessors have been around town for years, they meet with all kinds of people. the last time i was in the senate dining room was some years ago, the russian ambassador was in there having lunch with diane feinstein, i never gave it a step, second part, and why would i, such meetings happen all the time. >> tucker: [laughs] >> brit: your previous guess was referring to the ambassador of the chief spymaster.
>> tucker: [laughs] the chief lunch-haver! what i object to is the discrimination of policy differences. there are reasons to be against them, you are somehow bidding of vladimir putin. can you have a disagreement without being accused of treason? >> brit: of course you can. the people were raising these accusations don't really think anybody has committed treason. you're looking for ways to bring down donald trump and get out the people around him, that's what this is about and what it's been about from the start. to them his election is unthinkable, a catastrophe for our nations. this cannot be allowed to proceed and they are trying everything they can and this idea that the russians colluded and somehow perhaps even arranged to elect donald trump has been a piece of it for a long time. of the problem has been from the beginning, no evidence.
evidence of russian attempts to intervene in the election, to influence the election have been present everywhere, evidence of collusion with donald trump and the people around him has been in very, very short supply to the point now where you notice that the collusion story is sliding away from us now, they are not hearing that much more, they got nothing out of it today, they didn't get anything out of comey either. be there was obstruction justice, you see in the firing of comey. these investigations at the congressional and the justice department were about to be from the start, the whole idea of russian efforts. it has been described one way and one way only, a counterintelligence investigation, which is to say that the fbi in carrying this out under comey and since has been trying as an intelligence agency investigating to find out what kind of spying activity went on. >> tucker: which is totally legitimate. i love talking, you bring perspective. >> brit: thoughts for this is supposed to be, it has strayed
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>> tucker: the attorney general frustrated democrats today by thwarting their attempt to expose more information about the firing of the fbi director jim comey. the national security analyst says the attorney general's testimonies has the attorney general must resign. why should he resign? he joins us. >> let's begin by explaining that mr. sessions should not have been there to begin with as attorney general. but since president trump values loyalty so much and he happens to create a little cult of personality around ten, mr. sessions, the senator, embattled as a nominee for a federal courtship, he finally got the position. i'm not saying -- let's be clear about this. >> tucker: so what's the point? you're not saying there traders. >> arash: it not at all, far from it. unlike your camp, that called
president obama a muslim from kenya. >> tucker: [laughs] this is the longest windup i've ever heard. >> arash: having said that, having said that, these were grown adult men, most of whom are patriotic americans who thought it would be a good idea to get help from a foreign adversary to get their dialectic because they thought hillary clinton was a nasty woman and she should have never gotten elected president, that's what they did and they will pay for it. >> tucker: they will pay for it, their trials for treason are coming up soon. >> arash: i didn't say treason, don't put words in my mouth. i didn't say treason. absolutely. >> tucker: to have any evidence at all or is this just something that you heard on msnbc and you are repeating? >> arash: if you happen to read newspapers, which is a good thing to do, "new york times," "washington post," or if you read memos, fbi, nsa, you will see that there are 17, 17
intelligence on law enforcement agencies that say, pick up a newspaper and check it out. >> tucker: your blowing my mind. >> arash: you are in the news business, you are no longer in entertainment, -- >> tucker: for my be the weirdest interview i've ever done. to have any evidence that the attorney general of the united states, jeff sessions, at any improper contact with the russian government and that it influenced his views about american policy on russian -- none of that evidence came out in today's testimony, but maybe you are privy to something from the national reconnaissance agency since you were there documents coming aside. >> arash: is not national reconnaissance agency, it's national reconnaissance office, if you ask one of your frat brothers they might send you some literature. here's the thing, if jeff sessions or people like jeff sessions, cushion or people like kushner are not worried about a thing, they should testify, they
should testify openly, they shouldn't invoke the fifth amendment. they should testify, where did they find you? >> arash: he kept talking about how he didn't remember. >> tucker: we are almost out of time. the sands are flying to the hourglass now, but you have any evidence, again, that jeff sessions had improper contact with the russian government and that that in some way influenced his behavior that undercut american interests in favor of russian interests, do you have evidence of that at all? tooth there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that links him to improper behavior, he recused himself, and guess what, here's a line, i know you don't like to read, but here's another line from shakespeare. it's from shakespeare. check this one out, ask one of your frat buddies to send you this book, it's from shakespear shakespeare, we think the lady doth protest too much. >> tucker: what play is that from, do you know? >> arash: you actually should
look that up. it's either macbeth or hamlet. >> tucker: [laughs] >> arash: look it up! >> tucker: very quickly i want to ask you about an exchange that happened today, i don't think you saw the hearings, but here's one exchange that took place between calm tom cotton. >> have you ever in any of these fantastical situations heard of a plot line so ridiculous that a sitting united states senator and an ambassador of a foreign government colluded in an open setting with hundreds of other people to pull off the greatest caper in the history? >> a.g. sessions: thank you for saying that, it's like through the looking glass. what is this? >> tucker: if a person would collude with a foreign government, a person in authority like a senator over sitting attorney general, that person would be a deeply bad and immoral person, really an evil
person for selling out his own country, is that what you're saying about attorney general jeff sessions? >> arash: the first thing i said coming on your show was i don't think these men are traders, but i think they thought it would be a good idea to get some help from anybody, including a foreign adversary to get their boy elected, but the problem, they will pay for it. we cut democrats in this country, we got republicans, conservatives, you've been on for a long time, you've been around for a long time. the third group of people that are scary and dangerous, and i hope somebody like you -- i have an apple watch. the third group of people are called trompe l'oeil list. if he is creating a cult of personality, it's their responsibility and duty to question that and to bring that down because if you don't do that -- >> tucker: i think our viewers had a pretty good chance to assess your level of knowledge of the story and your views on it. let me ask you now, do you speak to democratic members of the
house or senate about this? do you advise any current democratic officeholders, russia question? >> arash: you would be surprised, it would be surprise surprised, but any conversations i do or don't have with members of congress or people in the intelligence community is confidential. if you want to subpoena me to come to fox, you don't have to -- >> tucker: i'm not suggesting that you be subpoenaed. i don't believe in that. >> arash: i know you're not a lawyer -- i know you're not a lawyer, but let me give you little law 101. you should learn in college that if you want to subpoena someone -- i know you're not a lawyer, but i can give you a little 101, i will send you a bill for that. let me know. >> tucker: i'm afraid were out of time. an amazing conversation that says it all. as for joining us, i guess. the pulse nightclub shooting happened a year ago. up next we will talk about how individual monitoring honorings
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that's tragic or celebratory. it's where people would have instinctively shown up to commemorate the one-year anniversary. what happened was is this far left anti-gun group essentially got the permit, i'm assuming, to hold a rally that they yesterday outside of so long. they were the sponsors of the event. people were coming to mourn, coming to be together to reflect, want to give politics a break instead were being subjected to the sort of anti-gun propaganda, all of the signs, all of the anti-trump-is anti-trump-ism. >> tucker: is that really the message of the murder spree, that guns are bad? >> apparently, according to this group. no reference to islam that i heard whatsoever. trump was the bad guy in the room for whatever reason. trump came to orlando immediately after the shooting, he waited four or five days, president obama. this was about guns and only
guns. >> tucker: i'm sorry to laugh, but isis has bragged -- first of all, they endorsed the killings at the nightclub in orlando because a lot of people who were killed were gate and they said we are glad that all of these people died. they've also bragged about murdering people for being in the territories they hold, none of the people noted that? >> this is sort of a strange phenomenon that when you have a large dense population of leftists, whether it's a college campus or in the sessions stomach gay community, they are loudest and the mentally and emotionally unhinged. bullying everybody to go along in with them. yesterday because i was so personally affected and emotionally affected by the tragedy, i said i'm not posting anything political today. i'm going to post about remembering the victims,
celebrating their lives, but attacking radical islam can wait until tuesday, this group couldn't wait two hours so they subjected everyone who showed up into the radical ideology. most gay people are political, most gay people care about pop music and going to the beach. they probably don't even know what the second amendment is. if they show up to be together to celebrate the community, to mourn together and instead they are just fed the anti-god nonsense. >> tucker: where you think of guns or revenue are on gun control, here's the scoop that hates you, that wants to kill you for who you are and says so out loud and get organizations like this are more angry at chick-fil-a than the art radical islam, i find it inexplicable. why wouldn't you be, i don't know, fighting back against a group that says they want to kill you? >> it is so mind-blowing. it makes no sense whatsoever. it's one of the great bizarre
paradoxes of the left when they are bringing these people, these groups together, you are absolutely right, extreme, radical muslims. they are not fighting sweetheart to bake a cake for a wedding, they want us dead. their philosophy preaches it in the media still won't call it terrorism, "the washington post "the washington post," the washington compost as we call i it, they would not say islam or terrorism in their reporting, it was gun violence, even in "the washington post." >> tucker: it's like they are so ideological that they subvert their own interests, they refused to see what's in their own interest because it is somehow not allowed. >> i seagate, xp people and i know many other people in the left are waking up to this every day at their flame, they are fleeing the left in droves and i think islam, i think radical islam is one of the huge reasons for that, especially for gay
people. they see it makes no sense and they note that the right -- they don't wish us any harm, people on the right. >> tucker: you certainly see that in europe, that's absolutely a trend in europe, the nationalist parties have big support from the gay community. thanks for coming on tonight, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: good to see you. we will have an update on the case of otto warmbier, the sad case. he has finally been returned to his family, his release was announced this morning by the secretary of state rex tillerson, who provided few details about how exactly it happen. unfortunately not all is well, he is in a coma and has reportedly been in one for more than a year. the north koreans say, you cannot trust what they say, that he developed a form of food poisoning and fell into a coma after taking a sleeping pill. if we don't know if that's true. regardless of the circumstances, fred and cindy warmbier have been reunited. we will have an exclusive interview with them tomorrow
about his release. despite the release of otto warmbier, three other americans to remained imprisoned in north korea and they are a nuclear threat to the united states. as the development mean anything for the relations, the former u.s. spokesman at the u.n., he joins us tonight. if rick, what can you tell us about the release of otto warmbier, we don't have a lot of details? >> this is a total win for diplomacy, it's been happening for a while. my sources have told me that specifically rex tillerson brought the case to president trump in the oval office within the first 30 days of president trump taking over and president trump looked at secretary tiller an end said do everything you can, you have the full assets of the u.s. government to get this done. from there if there was a series of diplomacy in norway. we had our diplomats meeting with the swedes who do have a
post inside north korea. if they were allowed to go visit otto. in that meeting is when they were able to confirm to the u.s. diplomats that this was a very serious situation, but he was in a coma. from there we went to what we call the new york channel for all north korea diplomacy, and that's because the north koreans do have a mission for the united nations and so we can meet with them up in new york under the offices of the u.n. setting. u.s. diplomats then met there with the north koreans and the north koreans had come get him. a plane went, a u.s. government claim with the u.s. diplomats landing in north korea, and they took him out. tucker, one thing to note here is that he was released, no taliban prisoners were swapped, no planes full of money were given, this was pure diplomacy by the trump administration.
rex tillerson and donald trump made this a priority. it wasn't a priority under president obama. otto was in a coma for more than a year under the obama presidency and he just lingered there. it's really atrocious and kudos to those who actually believe in diplomacy still. >> tucker: i'm withholding judgment on some of that, i don't think we have all the details and i think there are questions about how the state department under both presidents treated the family, we'll find out a lot more about that tomorrow, but there is the sadness of the case, he is apparently not well and in a coma. what does this mean? >> one thing to add, diplomacy only works if you have the head of the government, the president of the united states making a priority, you can't do other stuff, so if john kerry was fighting for this, we don't know about it because it wasn't a priority from the obama white house. >> tucker: i can say that for certain, having followed the story for a while. it was not a priority for the
obama white house, or for john kerry, and is shameful. does this suggest some changing of relationships between north korea and the united states, why did they do this now, was there some incentive offered and what about the three americans who remain in the country? >> first of all, one thing to know is that the state department actually believes that there are more than three, the media have been reporting three, but we have high suspicion is that there are other americans inside there, too. what this really means for diplomacy is that it's a good day for diplomacy. whenever we are able to talk to the north koreans directly and to take a small step like this and reassure them that we are going to go, pick them up, bring them home and we thank them for this one little thing, it does begin to build some sort of confidence. we got a long way to go because the north koreans are not irrational government.
and we know that they've been trying to put the pieces together for nuclear program. we got some very serious and tough issues faced before us. but the new york channel when it comes to diplomacy, utilizing that new york channel is a very good thing. >> tucker: it's a disgusting government run by monsters and they hurt this boy and they let him anguish and a coma for over a year and you would love for there to be some way to punish them for that, really punish them, but the probably isn't one, is there? >> i think there's a whole list of things the north koreans should be punished for, this is one of them, absolutely. i do think that the special relationship that donald trump is pushing with the chinese on, we have seen some action from the chinese when it comes to north korea diplomacy, unlike any other time, i do think that we can do more to push the chinese, we haven't considered banking stations, some of the really tough sections that would get the chinese government's
attention. i think that we showed, i think that we should have the full tool belt, so to speak of the u.s. government at the disposal because this is a very serious issue, not because of just otto, but certainly because they are a threat and they have a motive to commit the united states, and they're trying to get the tools to send a missile our way. i think what we must do is make this a top priority with the chinese. we haven't done that enough. >> tucker: you can't hurt american citizens with impunity, or else why have u.s. government to mark thanks for joining us, great to see you tonight. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: tomorrow at 8:00 we will have an interview with fred and cindy warmbier. many more details on the story tomorrow. mark ruffalo said msnbc hires way too many people from a certain group. our panel will discuss the latest start on the hollywood walk of shame, an amazing story up next.
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>> i didn't know that msnbc or nbc could be the mouthpiece for right ring conservatives. i'm kind of blown away by that one. this actor has a fascination with diversity, and yet he doesn't want diversity of opinion on the network, which makes no sense at all. with that said, celebrities like him and leonardo dicaprio who come out for climate change activism but still fly in their private jets, hypocrisy everywhere. >> tucker: their assistance thing on the left a lot that is like, down with white people, as said by white person to show that he is the hippest man in brooklyn. but when you start saying don't hire people on the basis of their skin color -- >> exactly. as ashley pointed out, this guy is a bernie sanders supporter. other progressive is trying to shut down diversity of thought or opinion, but also, back to the main point, i wasn't aware
that msnbc was on some sort of conservative hiring spree. this network is known for not having many conservatives, especially to those speaking to to those whose views are on the left. it's that basic hypocrisy that we always see from these types of folks. >> wow >> tucker: i have no idea what mark ruffalo is talking about. all right, next topic. apparently oliver stone has not been keeping up on the right opinions. just finished up a document on vladimir putin, and found himself grilled on expectedly by stephen colbert and ridiculed by the studio audience. watch this. >> he never really says anything bad about anybody. he's been through a lot, and he's been insulted and abused. i didn't sense any kind of -- abused in the press and the media. no question, he's a social
conservative. he believes -- i don't know why you are laughing. >> because that's like a milder description of him. that's what i laughing. anything about him, negative that you found? >> tucker: oliver stone is so old that he has come all the way around and become unfashionable with the left. he never thought that was going to happen. it's a little weird to see oliver stone booed by a liberal audience. >> it's weird for stephen colbert to be blown away by something. that was the weirdest dynamic. he comes out and some pretty much says that this was a softball interview, and you have oliver stone saying, we had to give him his space. this is a two-year deal and he is a busy man. you have a few minutes to sit down with the leader of russia, who right now as we look at our political climate on what's going on and the investigations, this is a serious interview. it could have been won, instead
he takes the opportunity to just ask him softball questions and say thank you with no follow-up. it's mind-blowing. >> tucker: it was 20 hours, he cut it down to four. >> what do people expect them to ask? they think they were going to get something of substance from vladimir putin? do you kill journalist? i'm glad you asked that questio question. >> megyn kelly had the opposite approach, trying to do any forceful interview. she got nothing from him. this is the same person that george w. bush thought he could see into his soul and president obama tried to reset relations with. the point of this interview series, my understanding, is that the documentary is to try to get some insight into the way he thinks, and i think it got that goal. but -- >> tucker: it's weird, because oliver stone has interviewed a lot of dictators.
i doubt he would be criticized by anyone on the left for that. we are talking oliver stone, by the way, i think tomorrow night on this show. >> do you think stephen colbert stephen colbert's question to him, do you have your dog in the case? >> come . >> tucker: we will be back live at 11. this shows the sworn enemy of lying hypocrisy smugness and groupthink. we will see you soon. next up, our friends from "the five." tomorrow, an interview with the warmbier's on their son returning to the united states. see you at 11:00.
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>> harris: i hear you saying -- >> david: it sounds like the m.o. it sounds like their m.o. but the fact is that for decades and, of course, we got to realize vladimir putin is part of the old soviet union. k.g.b. guy at heart. they have been trying to sow dissent in the united states since stalin was in power and even before that. they continue to do that. it's just the method of delivery has changed. that is what they're focusing on now. there hasn't been enough done in the past. probably isn't enough done now. i don't think it is ever going to stop. >> harris: senator lindsey graham says he is working to introduce a russia, quote/unquote, "sanctions bill from hell." >> go for it. trump has been tough on russia, as we should. so i have no problem to continue sanctions on russia. of course we have to take the cyber security issues seriously. we should make sure that the united states institutions are
protected from the foreign interference. whatever it is. but i think that this intense focus on the social media is overblown. if you look at the impressions from facebook alone, 56% of them happened after the election, the majority of the ads didn't mention the united states election. you look at even $2,000 spent in wisconsin. it's a complete joke. i mentioned this before but jeb bush spent $3,000 per voter in the state of iowa alone in the republican primary. i think facebook has a vested interested in trying to get out in front of this in any way they can. because they have taken a huge financial hit recently. >> melissa: they do have an incentive and i'm not confident they are doing everything they could and should. i deleted my account before i came out on the air today. if it's still there -- >> david: was it tough to do it? it used to be hard. >> melissa: i hope i did it properly. i went through the steps. i didn't deactivate. i attempted to completely
delete it. i think it's nefarious. when you read down in here, trying to incite violence. this is really serious. this is really bad for our democracy. it's really bad for our families, our lives. i deleted my account. that's that. i'm out of facebook. >> harris: with you and david on the couch, i want to ask about -- because you say you don't know if facebook going to get it right. why can't they get it right? or is it on them or bad actors. >> david: like trying to delete anything on the internet. >> harris: but i mean the process. this is a further journey for them now. >> melissa: it's not necessarily always in their economic interest to do everything that they would need to do. i mean there are some things, yes, they want to restore faith so people like i just did, don't delete their account. so that makes sense. at the same time, it's what drives the revenue. having more people there and more interaction. selling ads. that drives the revenue. they have a mixed incentive
here. >> marie: like playing whack-a-mole. 300 more pop-up. the internet research behind some of those they deleted, a russian internet meddling firm basically. they are very good at this and they have people who can do it in their sleet. they delete some and hundreds more pop-up. it's like whack-a-mole literally. i think facebook is going through an internal crisis how to handle the issue. they are committed to free speech and people using the platform in ways. >> harris: twitter and others -- i'm coming at this -- >> this is a tough problem. >> harris: -- with a question mark. twitter and others have challenges the same way i imagine. >> marie: absolutely. >> harris: look at what twitter did a couple of weeks ago. they went on the egg head alert. look at accounts that were not real or bots or whatever and scrubbing them. people were complaining they were using followers but they weren't real anyway. >> david: let's focus on the
editorial here. what it was that russia was trying to do. the groups it was trying to get -- >> harris: and the events organized. >> david: -- to get under the sphere of influence. it turns out that the call for end of i.c.e. was a part very much interested the russians or whoever is behind this thing. they were involved with a group called "stop ripping families apart. take over i.c.e. headquarters." they tried to arrange a rally in front of the department of homeland security and total of 131 people marked themselves as having attended the june 27 rally outside of i.c.e. headquarters. so it's very interesting. the soviet union, whether on the right or the left, they are always trying to find useful idiots in the west -- that is the term that lenin used -- here to carry over on their cause. >> lisa: you have 2 billion facebook users each month. >> harris: they did. i don't know if they are picking up like that. they are losing followers. >> lisa: you can find
anybody doing anything with that many people worldwide using facebook. they haven't been able to tie some of the accounts to russia either. >> marie: but many have. >> lisa: there are people -- >> harris: there are people want to influence the democratic process. don't miss what david pointed to. they are dividing us along the culture and racial lines because they know we will fight in the streets before we ever love on each other enough to know the enemy is outside. >> david: they get more violence. >> marie: harris is right. may are trying to get more violent. this is bad for the democracy. facebook really has to take a look at what their business to be used for. >> harris: we have to look at what we want to be like as a country. >> david: bottom line is folks, i'm afraid to say, you cannot outlaw useful idiots. they were here in the early part of the 20th century and they will be here in the latter part of the 20th century. >> melissa: delete your facebook account. i'm out.
>> harris: we said the same thing. >> time for self-reflection, america. >> harris: get along. >> lisa: be nicer to people. >> harris: it would be harder to divide us. another fox news alert now. >> melissa: chuck schumer, fellow democrats and the political activists holding a rally to call to block the nomination of president trump's supreme court pick brett kavanaugh. yesterday, senator chalmer repeated demands for release of all documents related to kavanaugh's time working in the bush white house. that request would reportedly surpass 1 million documents. watch. >> the senate must have the records spanning judge kavanaugh's career as a public servant. what are they hiding? why is there such an effort not to have the documents come forward when that has been the bipartisan precedent of this body >> harris:>> -- precedent of this body?
>> melissa: despite the pressure, joe manchin met with kavanaugh and donnelly is planning to meet as well. majority whip john cornyn says senator schumer is trying to delay. watch. >> now we are engaged in what i call the "great paper chase." this leaves me with the inescapable conclusion this is all about foot-dragging and delay. they know that they can't attack him based on qualifications, based on his character. and now it's all about paper and delay and obstruction. >> melissa: interesting stuff. do you think this is the best move for democrats? >> marie: i'm sort of in the middle here. i do think the senate has a right to advise and consent on the supreme court nominees and any paper throughout in the history directly relevant to how he would do his job is something the senate should have. i think it's a fair ask to make. whether the documents are part of when he worked at the white house or not, i don't know.
some might not be relevant. i argued, the democrats, sorry to say, we'll lose the fight and he will probably be confirmed. if that is the case i don't think that the democratic party should draw it out closer to the midterms because all it does is fire up the republicans. if we are going to lose anyway, let's lose quickly and move to the issues we want to talk about on the campaign trail. i don't know if the democrats in the senate are listening to me on this but that's where my analysis is. >> lisa: i agree with you. >> marie: fox news alert! >> lisa: we're having a moment on the couch. marie harf and i agree. we're in uniform, my friend. >> david: pull back. >> marie: we can go home. >> david: he is nowhere near as conservative as antonin scalia was. antonin scalia was the most conservative justice in my lifetime to be on the court. you know what he was confirmed by? 98-0 by the u.s. senate. 98-0. much more conservative than brett kavanaugh.
what are the democrats complaining about? >> harris: a different political climate. disagreeing with the opposite side of the aisle didn't mean you had to hate them. there is mean-spiritedness on capitol hill. not everybody but enough of that disease thinking that it gets everybody saying no, i'll retreat to my corner. what marie said is interesting because not only does the fight hurt the democrats as it gets closer to the midterm, it hurts everybody. people will just decide not to vote. to me that is the greatest crime and the greatest heartbreak in all of this. no matter whom you vote for. there are people who gave it all so we could go to the polls. suffrage, gave life. get to the polls and believe your vote counts. when you see both sides like this, it's over an issue that is settled. >> david: it used to be about the qualifications, whether somebody was qualified or not. not on the basis if they were on the left or the right. it was based on the qualifications and it's no longer based on the
qualifications. it's based on the abstract ideologies. >> harris: look at the capitol hill rally going on now? we should tell everybody. >> melissa: we said in the beginning that this is the rally going on. and why we are doing the segment. they are right there talking about brett kavanaugh and not wanting to have him confirmed. >> i think merrick garland would think they should wait for a while. >> lisa: the white house released more documents from kavanaugh's executive branch experience than any other supreme court nominee before. they have been transparent to put the documents out. obviously schumer, his interest is doing whatever he can to throw it out there and slow the process. i agree with marie. we had a moment. >> harris: it was lovely. >> these are the individuals that voted for gorsuch. and rand paul is on board. this is happening. >> marie: i don't like it's happening. >> lisa: but it's happening.
>> melissa: it's interesting and sad it's completely political. like you said, merrick garland. and before that, it has now come dun to are you going to support my position or not as a supreme court justice? that is not what the supreme court was supposed to be. they resisted it. >> david: democrats in red states have to bend to the reality -- >> harris: joe manchin met with him yesterday. >> david: as well. heidi heitkamp, et cetera. there will be a handful of democrats. but now that you have rand paul there is virtually no opposition. we don't know about mccain but there is no opposition among republicans. >> melissa: president trump calling on congress to fund the border wall or face a government shutdown. is the president going a good job of banging the drum on an issue important to his base? or could his threat backfire with less than 100 days to go before the midterms? plus, president trump could soon up the ante in the trade
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>> president trump: democrat party, they want to abolish i.c.e. in other words they want to let ms-13 rule our country. that's not going to happen. every day the brave men and women of i.c.e. liberate towns from savage gangs like ms-13 that are occupying our country like another nation would. we want maximum border security and respect for our heroes, i.c.e., border patrol and law enforcement. >> harris: president trump ripping democrats over the immigration in his rally in florida. this is after he threatened to shut down the government as democrats in congress refuse to support funding for the border wall and other immigration proposals. the president tweeted --"
"i don't care what the political ramifications are. our immigration laws and border security have been a complete and total disaster for decades and there is no way that the democrats will allow it to be fixed without a government shutdown. border security is now national security. and national security is the long-term viability of our country. a government shutdown is a very small price to pay for a safe and prosperous america!" he likes the exclamation point. yesterday, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he supports the president's border wall but he does not want to see the shutdown. >> i support what the president is trying to do on the wall. most of my members do as well. we are trying to go through a normal appropriations process that prevents a big vent at the end of the face -- big event at the end of the fiscal year that is too common around here. >> harris: he and the house speaker and the house feel this way.
democratic senate leader chuck schumer says he is working with republicans and he just wants the president to butt out. >> we are making very good progress. the fly in the ointment here of course is the president who keeps brandishing his sword and threatening. >> harris: the president is set to meet with the republican senators in the oval office today. and the subject of immigration is sure to come up again. so, you have paul ryan, speaker of the house. mitch mcconnell on the republican side and democrats saying no, no, no to shutdown. is this swamptastic behavior or should the president hold on until after the election. >> david: it is swamptastic. schumer was blamed for the last shutdown. there are two sides. political and the economic side. i went back to the economic side and the markets do well in the partial government shutdowns. markets don't do so badly,
particularly if the economy is doing well. we know the economy is booming now. we just had a wage figure of increase 2.8%. we haven't had an increase like that in ten years. the economy is booming. markets are doing okay. i think the economy, politically as i said, schumer was blamed for the last one. 2013. there was a shutdown that republicans were blamed for but it didn't hurt them in the 2014 midterms. who knows? >> harris: marie, i want to go to you. before we talked about the previous issues and you said it doesn't behoove us to argue about these things. let's just get through it. do you feel the same way about the shutdown? >> marie: i think there are a lot of republicans in congress who do not want to shut the government down. five weeks before a midterm. particularly in the house over funding for a border wall that as their constituents reminds them mexico would pay for, not the u.s. taxpayers. i think he will hear from the republicans in congress politically who say wait a second. there is no way we are going to get all of what you want. and shutting it down will hurt
the party chances in the midterm. i don't know if trump actually wants to shut it down. >> melissa: i think he does. >> marie: or it's negotiating tactic. >> melissa: if you talk about who is going to pay for it, remember the tariff. this is how all of this ties together. the tariffs are revenue coming in and it then goes for the wall. money is spongeable, all going in the game bank. >> marie: that is not what he said. he said mexico would pay for it. >> melissa: there are different ways to account for it. but he tried with the yummy, yummy carrots and said here is daca. do you want the yummy carrots? they said no. >> now he has a big -- >> harris: what is the other hand? >> melissa: swamp. swamp carrots. swamp said no. so he pulled out a giant stick and said now i'll smack you with this. you are right. it's the republicans and the democrats. both sides. everybody who is swamptastic. >> melissa: a curious point. >> harris: you are using
that carrot and the stick analogy, whether or not the president becoming tough is enough to answer back to the swamp. i mean, look, you have both chambers with republicans saying no shut down before midterm. >> lisa: i think president trump is doing this because the democrats are in the minority and charged up for the midterm elections and trump knows immigration is a huge base issue. what president trump is trying to do is get the republican base up charged up and ready to vote in the mid-term elections. think he knows republicans and the democrats will ultimately come together on a spending bill. this actually pushes the democrats to want to work with the republicans more, get something done. i don't think he would veto whatever they come up with. so he sort of gets his cake and eats it too that he charges up the republican base. ultimately they come together at the spending bill and get it done before the midterm election. i think it's a win-win. >> harris: what i love about what you are saying, lisa -- >> lisa: thank you. >> harris: the democrats are struggling to figure out who the base is. your party is splitting.
it's advantageous for the republican for the president to handle it this way. interesting perspective to bring forth. >> marie: the polling on the midterm shows voters particularly independents, think washington can't work. >> harris: yeah. >> marie: republicans are in charge of both houses and the white house. to an independent voter who says they can't even keep the government open, i can't go to the national park? that is what they see. >> david: something that has to change is a broken immigration system. we are letting the wrong people in. too many illegals come in that don't assimilate well in the future and too few good legals who do it the legal way to come in. we have to make it easier for qualified immigrants who want to work and assimilate in the country to come in. >> harris: the word " assimilate" i have to let marie come back on. >> marie: good immigrants and assimilate -- >> david: that means being willing to work instead of taking welfare. it means specific things.
i know a lot of immigrants. i know a lot of good immigrants who have been trying to come in for years, decades to get in the country who can't because the immigration system is broken. meanwhile, millions of the illegals are not good for the economy come in. >> marie: but some of the words used not by you but other people to in very not good terms, in terms of the history of immigration in this country and -- >> david: racism? >> marie: absolutely! >> david: that is b.s. >> marie: let me finish, please. you talked for two minutes. >> harris: let her talk. >> david: i don't want to allow anybody to suggest that the words i -- >> marie: i just said you didn't. i said that is not what you said. i said people use those terms in the immigration debate in ways that i find deeply offensive. >> david: there are crazy people and bad people everywhere. >> marie: some of them are running the immigration policy now. >> lisa: that is unfair. >> david: miller -->> -- it nes to be fixed.
>> marie: when you talk about "good immigrants." >> david: people who are willing to work and assimilate to what this country is. it's that simple. >> marie: they give up their entire culture? >> david: no. assimilate so that we don't have the kind of situation they have in europe where people stay completely isolated in their own communities and don't assimilate in the culture. it's simple. >> marie: the language is charge and we need to be careful. >> harris: thank you for the team in the booth to let it breathe. i wanted to hear that. it's important to get there. meanwhile, the president is touting his popularity among republicans in tampa. it happened last night. whoo, it was fiery! the president plans to wade in a hotly contested special election. the high stakes for republicans in a race that could tell us a lot about the upcoming elections in november. stay close. don't you move. >> president trump: they just came out with the polls. did you hear? the most popular person in the
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candidates becoming evident and now he plans to jump into ohio special election amid g.o.p. concerns of a tightening race in a reliably republican house district. the president will travel there saturday to trump for balderson who is battling o'connor. a loss next tuesday could raise fears among the g.o.p. of democratic blue wave in november. david? >> david: in florida, nobody would agree with the president more than ron desantis who is doing everything -- he practically has trump tattooed on his forehead. ron desantis believes -- >> marie: it's on the shoulder. >> david: maybe. close to the forehead. he believes aligning himself with the president is the right strategy. not only for him. there is a very close senate race rick scott, the former governor of florida, is going against a try and true democrat who has been there
for a whale. bill nelson did have the lead. now rick scott has the lead. apparently allying yourself with the president as the president himself said is not a bad strategy. marie knows more about ohio. but florida, boy, it's not doing anybody any harm to ally themselves with the president. >> harris: i have two things to say quickly about florida. rick scott, you know, led the state at times like the pulse nightclub shooting. he has been there and had leadership through the moments. >> parkland. >> harris: sides on both political aisle sides say that he did a good job in those terms. so he has got his own to bring to the table. >> david: he does. and economically he helped the state. they have 300,000 new entries every year because people are flocking to the florida. >> harris: quickly, putnam in the race against desantis is someone we -- we had the
strategist on and it plays differently. >> marie: this is my home district. i grew up here for decades and it's a republican district. pat teaberry's old district. they sent trump and pence, the republicans are pouring in national money. this race for the republicans should not be that close. early ballots look good for the democrats. the polls of the likely voters have a democrat even or up. lisa, we talked about it earlier, this isn't a swing district. this is not one that democrats thought they could pick up. the fact it's so close should be a warning sign to some republicans. danny o'connor, i would point out, the democrat has pledged not to support nancy pelosi. he is one of the democrats in the midwest that said i'm not supporting pelosi. >> lisa: messed up in an interview recently where he was pressed on the issue and he eventually said he would vote for whoever the democrats put up, even if it's nancy
pelosi. >> marie: nancy or a republican. >> lisa: that is a big slip. the republicans have been trying to tie him to nancy pelosi so that will be used against him. but she is right. i'm nervous at looking at some of the special elections, the p.a. special election with connor lamb or arizona eight where debbie lesco. >> david: are you having another moment? this is the time you had a moment. >> lisa: i'm worried. the republicans have seen so many members leaving the open seats that are more difficult to win. i worry if the republican base is charged up or not which is back to my point regarding the immigration. it's part of president trump figuring out ways to get them excited. >> melissa: this is also why we see president trump out there and working so hard. i heard a poor misinformed person sitting around another network, i won't mention, saying what the president likes to do is campaign for the job but he doesn't like to actually do it. >> david: not true. he loves it. >> melissa: that's why we
see him out there campaigning. that's the fun. campaigning is hard and painful. he is doing it for someone else to help him have the numbers that he really needs. but this is something that is the responsibility of the person who is at the head of the party. lisa, tell me how important that is for the candidates. >> lisa: republicans have to do everything they can. they will have to work so much harder than democrats to turn out the base for the midterm elections. we have history against us. dems are in the minority so they are charged up. the president and the republicans will have to do everything they can to get folks to show up at the hold. >> david: does the g.o.p. hold the house? >> lisa: i don't know if we will lose the house but it's tough. >> melissa: we are awaiting the white house press briefing where we could hear more on the news that the president is considering raising a proposed new tariff on $200 billion on the chinese goods from 10% to 25%. we will bring it to you live.
democrats in search of someone who can beat the president in the 2020. the advice from the bernie sanders' former campaign manager and he says look to your left. whether that is the way to go, we will debate. let's take a look at some numbers:
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abysmal administration, we need to nominate progressive. the party needs to move in a bolder and more progressive direction. >> marie: i think i still have a 2016 hangover with the bernie sanders team and it's hard to listen to jeff weaver give my party advice on anything but i'll set it aside. i think what he says is interesting. what do you think? >> melissa: he might be right in the sense that you look at the candidates that are picking up momentum. i'm jealous. martha maccallum tonight on "the story" -- i saw an ad for it, so i hope i'm right -- sarah smith. she in the ninth district in washington state and somebody who is in the mold of ocasio-cortez in new york. young, millennial, dynamic. somebody who came up in the shadow of bernie sanders and backed by the same national organization that gave money here in new york. i just, i really think that going broad in anything
whether it's television or politics, doesn't work anymore. it's about being targeted, being specific. really firing up the people who believe in that. and that we are such a bifurcated society, set of viewers, whatever it is, you have to pick a lane and drive hard in it. i think they would be successful but you could have somebody who is moderate, who had an issue and was really dynamic. you know, it's just about you have to be on fire. >> lisa: i was going to tell marie to get a breakfast sands witch and a coffee for the hangover. >> marie: i need it! >> david: after a year and a half. >> lisa: you could see a socialist emerge in 2020. i think what we will see from democrats -- democrats -- >> marie: not for president. >> lisa: for the democratic primary. i think you have so many candidates running in 2020. one thing that democrats lost and we have seen in this election cycle they are not as good at maintaining the primaries. we have seen a more
progressive candidate enter the primaries. they used to be good to clear them out and now they are not as good. you could see democrats running. if you have people like corey gardner, kamala harris and what's her name from new york. kirsten gillibrand. who all represent this camp. >> marie: elizabeth warren. >> lisa: you could have somebody come up like you saw with trump outside the main stream and is unique. >> david: economics matter. >> harris: we are being shouted out on twitter. i said, there is a clip already, i said can democrats really fire up a base coming out of -- who is the base? and people are pointing out well, they had record numbers in certain areas. but it's not, as lisa is saying, it's not widespread. >> marie: there is a huge part of the democratic party is moderate. running in the midwest, running in the south and the plain states. my party will have a fight in 2020 for who we want to put forward. >> harris: that's what i
said! >> david: you go back and read some of what bill clinton was saying the last time he was running. a couple of years after that. talking about how the year of big government is over and everything. you put together also, you add that the history of the democrat, the moderate wing together with what the socialists are talking about. frankly the old democrats are more similar to republicans than the new democrats are to the old democrats. >> marie: all the parties are mixed up now. we are on that note awaiting comment from the white house about potential increase in tariff on chinese goods as part of the president's plan to end what he calls "abusive trade practices." why some are concerned about a trade war and how it could affect consumers and businesses up next.
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enforcement to try to figure that one out. and just don't want to go racking it through my brain thinking of what happened, what happened, what happened? just driving myself insane. because i know everybody else around here is. and you just got to lead by example and try to just let the law enforcement do their job. >> melissa: we'll have more from the exclusive interview in a live report from iowa that is coming up in the next hour of "outnumbered overtime" with harris. >> lisa: while we are awaiting the white house press briefing we expect to hear more on news the president considering plans to slap 25% tariff on $200 billion of chinese goods. a big jump from the initial proposal for 10% tariff. the tariffs target food products, chemicals, steel, aaluminum and a most of consumer products. is this enough to force china's hand? >> david: what is forcing china's hand is their economy is desperate right now. the markets are smashed. they were over blown before but they have come way down.
consumption is way down. people are eating at very minimalist levels down there. so they are not going to be importing much goods if we try to send them there. they are down. we are putting our foot on their neck. that is the trump approach is that while they are down we can get the concessions that the government, the communist chinese government has been so reluctant to give us. like forcing them to end this practice of stealing our technology as a price to pay for doing business in china. >> lisa: i know you are saying this is a negotiating tactic. i agree with that. but do you president trump had the meet withing the e.u. president -- i think last week. it moves fast these days. can president trump point to points on the board right now? >> melissa: he can say a lot of people said if you listen to him for a long time he really does believe in tariffs and he believes they work. he is trying to, you know, wall in the whole country both on the borders and economically. he has now demonstrated that
that is not what he is after. he has repeatedly said that what he wants is zero tariffs everywhere. he said it at the g7 and again with the e.u. that is a really hard thing to do because before we were allowing them to collect on us while we weren't collecting on them. so to get them to give that up, you have to recreate leverage where others before you have given all the leverage away. so it's not an easy job to do. but the one thing we know now for sure is what his intention sincerely is. >> lisa: president trump has gotten a lot of criticism on the tariff and the trade of late. but if his ultimate goal is to try to get concessions on the deals how else does he extract it with the tariffs? >> marie: we'll see if the theory is true. so far we don't have new trade deals. we have pulled out of some and we don't have anything new. no points on the board as you asked melissa about. you are hearing republicans in congress trying to take legislative action to force the president's hand on tariffs because not only do
they think it's bad economic policy, they think it's bad politics. if they have folks in the states soy bean farmers and people in the steel industry who have seen good economic news because of the tax cuts or the stock market and suddenly are hit with the tariffs that impact them, we have already seen it impacting farmers across the country. i think politically republicans are like hey, man, why are you doing this right before the midterms? you are hurting our own people with the tariffs and you are not getting anything done. they are not willing to give him unlimited time to negotiate new deals. >> lisa: staying on the politics. soy bean is north dakota's largest observation -- largest export. so you look at china exporting the soy bean to hurt trump in the districts and the states he has done well in. you are talking to people every day. what do you hear on that front? >> harris: on the front of talking to lawmakers in the states where they are hearing from the constituents. so the president may have thought he had some time with his base. he still does. but that is what i he threw
out the $12 billion safety net if you will. we have to wrap it up. we have breaking news. >> melissa: all right. so that white house briefing is set to start any moment now. when it starts we will go there live. we'll be right back. high protein
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this is happening and there is no danger at this point to people there in the vicinity outside of the venue itself. the venue, country music hall, 2500 ft. , a massive space, paramedics, sheriff deputies, all of them working the scene. we will continue to follow this as it continues to develop. we continue our breaking coverage. jillian: we continue this fox news alert, breaking news coverage of the mass shooting in california. rob: a look at the scene live from above. 11 people confirmed at last check have been shot inside this bar and restaurant. that includes a sheriff's deputy after a gunman storms this pact california restaurant and bar overnight. here is a live look at the borderline bar in thousand oaks
40 miles northwest of los angeles in the san fernando valley. jillian: it is not clear anyone has died. 11 people have been shot, hundreds were inside at the time of the shooting. officials say the suspect is contained inside but the suspect is not a threat to the community outside. it is not clear the suspect has been killed or captured at this time. a sheriff's deputy transported to the hospital. witnesses say the shooter was using a handgun and smoke grenades. rob: the restaurant was hosting a college country night, they do this every wednesday night, several people found hiding in the attic and the bathrooms, hundreds of people inside this massive bar and restaurant. if you college is right around this area. thousand oaks, the western valley in southern california. jillian: and pepperdine is a christian university. rob: lutheran is a lutheran university. this is a very young bar.
we heard from a witness who was 19 years old, she was inside, she managed to get out. this is a huge country-western bar. they do wind -- line dancing wednesday night, they have a line dancing class, you can learn to do it. a lot of very young people inside the country bar. jillian: a lot of reports from witnesses from people inside the bar who were able to thankfully make it out safely and one of the things we heard over the course of the last few hours this happened at 11:20 p.m. local time in california a lot of witnesses said people throwing chairs to escape out the windows. rob: we did get a report from sources who say he understands the suspect is a man of middle eastern to send possibly having a beard or wearing a bandanna, wearing all black with the trenchcoat. another witness said the shooter
seemed to have perfect form as he was firing off a barrage of bullets after walking into this bar which was located off of the 101 in thousand oaks, california inventor a county in the san fernando valley. jillian: we expect an update from police at any moment. we heard multiple reports from police over the last few hours certainly keeping us updated. the first report, police say they knew 6 people were injured and they said 11. at this point we are trying to learn more information and we have jonathan hunt live on the scene. what have you heard since you have been out there? >> reporter: you set the groundwork well. i went to bring inventory county sheriff's -- what do we know at the moment? 11 hurt? >> that is the information we have at this point. the number may change as we get
more information but the numbers 11 people. >> reporter: one of those is a sheriff deputy. was this deputy attending the bar or responding to the call? >> he was responding to the call. >> reporter: what his condition? >> i don't have his condition or know what his condition is or the condition of any of the victims but we suspect the number may increase as we get additional information. >> reporter: where and in what condition is the shooter at this moment? >> the shooter, we feel, is confined inside the bar and grill. we don't feel there is a threat to the general public outside the bar and grill. i don't know what his condition is but i hope to have more information soon. >> reporter: multiple reports that smoke grenades were used by the shooter? this is from people in the bar at the time.
>> i heard those reports as well but can't confirm those with investigators. they have not confirmed that for me. >> reporter: are your deputies inside the building? >> we have deputies inside the building as well as the surrounding areas collecting evidence and looking around at this point. >> reporter: is the building clear? >> yes, the building is clear. >> reporter: only the shooter is left inside. >> i don't know how many are left inside the building. if other victims are inside the building or not. >> reporter: there is no longer a threat to anybody inside or immediately outside the building? >> there is not. >> reporter: does that mean the shooter has been neutralized? >> don't know if he was taken into custody or neutralize or injured and transported. >> reporter: no further threat. >> no further for the public. >> reporter: thank you for the excellent information. 11 shots. the sheriff captain confirming to us doesn't have the conditions of those confirmed,
among those shot was a sheriff's deputy. they heard the report that smoke grenades were used by the shooter as he entered the building. he does not confirm that. from their own investigation. but he does say he believes the borderline bar and grill is, in his words, secure. sheriff's deputies are inside and around that building. the most important point right now as he told us he believes there is no further threat. meaning the shooter in some way or another has been neutralized. that could mean one or two things, he was taken into custody or he has been shot dead. there are some reports locally that the shooter was indeed himself killed. we have not confirmed that. the sheriff captain said he cannot confirm that at this
point but they do say there is no further threat to the general public either inside the venue or the immediate environment. that is the one piece of good news in what is turning out to be a tragic you early hours of the morning in thousand oaks, california. jillian: it is certainly good news for a lot of people in the area, we are reporting no other significant threat, there is no threat in fact to people outside this bar. is there a threat to anyone else who might be inside the bar? police say no. rob: sounds like the suspect is either in custody or dead. we will wait to get that update from police as it happens. this is a huge bar and very busy on wednesday night, the college night. a lot of witnesses saw this happen and a lot of people outside the bar. let's listen in. >> looked at the parking lot,
and it was, i was there. amazing people, two paramedics and -- very fortunate have them there. there were two people. >> reporter: we are here a lot of witness reports i have been listening to. local stations in the last few hours and more girls on the phone saying all my friends are safe, i am safe but my brother works there. rob: we have some witnesses we are hearing live, let's listen in. >> i don't know. >> a semi automatic. 18 to 20 ounce at a time before i got out. >> we want to thank you for talking to us. we know there's not a lot of information right now.
>> very scary. >> do you see anyone who wasn't getting back up? >> i am not sure. our main concern was to stay covered hoping all our friends could get out safe. i didn't see anyone else. it was such a blur. we talked to some of them. i met some people out there. at first it was hard to find people. i found a lot of people. it was just us there together. we knew other people. >> no way to know how many shots were fired. >> too many. we had no count of anything. >> did you see the shooter? >> he was behind us. we did not get a good look. >> i saw the shot go off as
well. i didn't see what the guy looked like. i saw shots go off. >> when did you realize something was wrong? >> as soon as i heard the first shot go off. >> everyone else got down afterwards. immediately after the first shot. >> i pushed her down. i kind of called behind the wooden stage and after that waited until there was a second of non-shooting and went from one place to another and we got separated and headed to the back. >> didn't sound like the guy could have walked in. >> the music is very loud. a lot more -- >> you knew.
>> what was it like? >> i think, i think it was at random. but i don't know. >> how many people? >> i don't know. it comes -- >> at least over 100. we did come here often. we come here at least once a week, maybe more. we know a lot of people, trying to figure out who we knew and who they were. >> my name is kayla >> my name is summer. >> you were so sweet for stopping. jillian: we got a couple new reports. the ventura county spokesperson confirmed the shooter is dead and we are hearing of multiple fatalities.
rob: the number of people killed inside this bar. the shooter has been killed as well. we don't know, sheriff deputies shot and killed him or if he killed himself but at least 11 people were shot. breaks your heart to listen to 19, 20, 21-year-old girl sitting outside crying outside of our wrapped in a blanket describing what they witnessed. jillian: a place they go for college night for fun. 2500 ft. of dance floor as we understand it, an open area, can't imagine what they dealt with the last few hours. rob: we will go to the phone now. former las vegas metropolitan police lieutenant randy sutton joins us on the phone. it sounds like the killer is dead himself. what have you been hearing about who this man potentially is or
description? >> information i'm receiving from my sources is the suspect is dead. the threat has been neutralized. i don't know whether the individual was killed by law enforcement during the gunfight or whether or not he took his own life. but the information i do have is that he was a middle eastern male, he was heard shouting something prior to the shooting and the individual did a number of shootings and a sheriff's deputy is in the hospital. i have not gotten an update on his condition. the injury sounds to be very critical.
the individual who did this is down, but i do not know whether he took his own life or was killed by law enforcement. jillian: people have said smoke bombs were used. tell us about that. >> this is indicative of a very well-planned event, an individual who armed himself in a venue that has a large crowd of people. this would be consistent with a terrorist incident. it is too early to label this but there are signs that would be very consistent with a terrorist attack similar to what has been seen in europe where there are venues with
concertgoers and because of the concentrated number of people and the soft target that it is, it makes kind of a terrorist -- they see an event like this, a number of victims they can take out. this individual using smoke bombs would at mass confusion to the event. keep in mind a rather large venue but an indoor venue. by employing devices like smoke bombs into a structure like that, you throw a mass of confusion aspect, as if the shooting wouldn't be enough, you throw devices like this into the
venue and you have even more confusion and more access to mass casualty. rob: when you hear the description of these young ladies describing what they heard as far as gunfire, i am not a weapons expert but does it sound to you like a semi automatic rifle like an ar 15? >> i don't know whether it is a rifle or pistol, but by the number of casualties and shots it is probably a semi automatic weapon. semi automatic pistol or rifle. doesn't really matter, the number of rounds that would be fired would be about the same. jillian: we have been through this so many times we have to ask what our police doing right now? they will go to the suspect's home. what can you tell us as far as the investigation.
>> reporter: assuming the suspect is down. that is a matter of conjecture. if the suspect planned this which he clearly did. rob: we are going to live outside, someone giving sound to reporters. >> can you tell us how we save her. >> once i realized, pretty obvious. >> use barstools to get through. >> the back exit, sorry about crashing you up again.
>> how did you keep your wits about you? you still managed to keep your head clear. >> i was in the army for a good minute. it all falls together. >> how soon -- >> after the second shot. didn't make any sense. >> that you see his face? >> that was before i looked at him. >> only minutes since this happened. can only imagine what you are thinking or feeling.
>> on the stress a little bit. i watched an officer get shot in front of me. and in the back of a cop car. he was unresponsive. >> did you get him to another vehicle? >> what is your name? >> this man really attributes -- rob: that is an army veteran. he tells the media outside that he threw a young woman out of the bar trying to help people get out of there. and also says he witnessed the sheriff deputy being shot, said
he was nonresponsive as he dragged the shift the beauty out of the bar and get into a car so he could be transported to the hospital. jillian: you heard him say i didn't realize until the second shot because at first i thought it was fireworks. you hear that time and again. someone smart enough to say that doesn't make sense, fireworks don't make sense, we got to get out of here. rob: the president's conscience of prayer greater new york at the synagogue shooting in pittsburgh which was only a week ago. sorry to say you have to cover another one of these. what are your thoughts this morning? >> my immediate thoughts go out to the family. what is "happening now," making phone calls, calling family members, probably not reaching them on the phone, organize them together. this will be the longest hours for the families to go through
the pain of what happened to their loved one. my sister was at the shooting in las vegas. i was able to find out she was okay. this was a tough time, we have to pray as a country. only 12 days ago we were dealing with this in pittsburgh hugging family matters, praying for them. this was a hard time, and to bring comfort as much as we can. trying to book a flight to fly down there so i could be on the ground, it is unfortunate this is a terrorist attack. any time, by definition, innocent people are enjoying themselves and someone comes in disrupt that with bullets and leaves fatalities that is a terrorist. so sad that this happened in los angeles which is such a relaxed
environment where kids are having fun. they are targeting our young and our innocent. we have to be more resilient as a nation. jillian: thoughts and present the victims in this community. thank you for your time for sharing the story. we are going to bring in daniel hoffman, fox news contributor and former cia station chief who served in moscow, iraq and pakistan. what have you heard so far? >> reporter: i have been tracking all of the reporting. what i can tell you based on my own experience having dealt with these situations the resources from local law enforcement on stopping the threat. preliminary reports indicate first responders running assistance to the victims.
my expectation was the police -- clear parts of it, getting victims to places, there's still a lot of work to get everybody out. and the things, lessons learned for all of us. if you see a situation like this you want to get off the x, get yourself someplace safe. we don't control a lot of this but this is something to think about, knowing where the exits are and statement wheeler, focused, doing everything to save lives. rob: i want to reset everything and get people up to date about what is going on in california where it is 2:23 in the morning. thousand oaks, california, ventura county, northwest of los angeles in the san fernando valley and this is a mass
shooting at the country bar and restaurant, happened a little after 11:00 local time in la. a man apparently walking into this bar and opening fire, smoke grenades, shooting 11 people, we have reports at least multiple people have been killed, the gunman also has been killed so the threat has been neutralized at this time. this was a packed country western bar. it was college night. number of universities around there, pepperdine, christian school in malibu only 20 minute away, cal state, lutheran, another school in the area. a lot of college kids, hundreds at this bar on a busy night. jillian: it happened shortly after 11:00 local time, 11:20 p.m.. that is when police got the call of shots fired and when police arrived on the scene, we were told there were shots happening and that goes along with a lot of witness accounts we have been hearing. a lot of people saying we heard
the shots and were able to get out and as we running up the road we heard more shots being fired. jillian: a lot of young college kids coming out of the bar discussing what they saw. we heard from a hero who was a former army officer who was inside and helps to pool two women out and helped an officer who was shot, sheriff deputy shot in front of them, pulled him out unresponsive and get them into a car to be transported to the possible -- that the scene what this place is like looking through social media, they do line dance, standup comedy other nights, beer tournaments, this is a very young, very american style bar. it was college night so just that kind of style. jillian: one thing we are a lot of witnesses say, people hiding in bathrooms, a lot of people made their way to the attic and they were hiding their.
we saw daniel hoffman on the line. you hear people, the accounts of people hiding in these places and one of the things we saw was the pulse nightclub shooting in orlando. when you are in these packed places it is hard to get out. >> it is and people need to find a safe place, shoulder. they are going through the bar, clearing the bar, making sure there were no secondary explosive devices, there's always the possibility there was an accomplice and there is still work to be done before federal local law enforcement transitioned to the forensics of interviewing victims, if there's any surveillance video. the suspect who was apparently killed surveyed the facilities. so there's a lot of work to be
done beyond the incident response. rob: we go back to jonathan hunt who raced to the scene outside los angeles. he is live at 2:26 in the morning at thousand oaks. are you getting any updates from the sheriff's office? >> reporter: a sheriff's deputy we just spoke to just confirmed that at least 11 people were shot. one of those was a sheriff deputy. i asked the captain i was talking to whether that deputy was at the bar at the time, responding to the active shooter call, he said he was indeed responding which tells you that first responder got here while the shooting was still underway. a horrific scene being described by some people we were speaking to who were in the borderline bar and grill at the time.
one gentleman we were just talking to telling us that deputy was shot directly in front of him. that young man helped take the deputy into a police car to get him help. i asked him what he believed the deputy's condition was. a veteran of the u.s. army he was, quote, unresponsive. we don't have any confirmation officially of the extent of any injuries or whether there have been any deaths in a tragic couple of hours in thousand oaks 40 miles northwest of downtown los angeles. the investigation ongoing. the one piece of good news we are getting from the sheriff captain i spoke to is no ongoing threat. he would not talk about whether the shooter was in custody or dead.
we heard the reports that the shooter was killed. we were going with the official information from the sheriff department that he has been neutralized in some way. that could be in custody, it could mean he has been killed but no further threat. sheriff's deputies and others are still inside the building. they have to go through room by room, square-foot by square foot looking for anybody still hiding there. looking for any potential accomplices. the way officials have been talking to us here seems pretty clear they believe the shooter was acting alone. we heard reports that smoke grenades were set off before the shooting itself began. hat is true and those smoke grenades were used by the shooter it would speak to a
well-planned attack on this largely student filled bar and grill at 11:20 local time on a wednesday night. terrific scene, we expect more information and updates on the injured and whether anybody has been killed in the shooting the next few minutes once sheriff's deputies come to the microphone, we will bring it to you live and been any updates as we get them. jillian: witnesses speaking to the media, people trying to find their friends and loved ones. in the midst of seeing that and speaking to some of the witnesses have you heard of anybody who said i recognize this person? sometimes we do here that. we have a lot of descriptions of the shooter. a lot of people said this person was dressed in black, they give descriptions. have you heard anybody knowing this person? >> know. i have not come across any
witness who says i knew that shooter, i recognize that shooter. haven't heard that at all. we've spoken to a handful of people but there were hundreds in there at that time. it is not a piece of information we have as yet. i also cautioned with all the descriptions we are hearing. it is far better to wait for official information on descriptions. so many times in these situations we get the kind of information, he looked like this, looked like that, this ethnicity or that ethnicity, those are often wrong or having tragically covered so many of these awful events, witnesses say they saw and heard initial circumstances, by the sheer fear and terror they are feeling, not always accurate.
it is there is, there never needs to be a rush to judgment to paint a picture of a witness here. >> in the san fernando valley, thousand oaks, a very nice safe neighborhood. tell us about this bar. a huge bar, the dance floor alone is 2500 ft. . tell us where you are. >> reporter: thousand oaks is a white suburb, in downtown la, a big one as you say, and on the dance floor. and a wednesday night line
dancing -- very popular bar, over the hills into malibu you have pepperdine university, very popular with students on both of those universities. we don't have official numbers how many were there at 11:20 last night. 11:20 pm at a college bar is a busy time, we are getting indications, they are there at that time. rob: we will come back to you. >> reporter: nypd sergeant and founder of blue lives matter. and begin with you. what are police doing?
>> the mop up, the shooter has been neutralized. they want to assess why this happened and any possible co-conspirators, they could be in other places on the fringes. a massive extraction of information at this stage and the medical component addressed by the fire department, but winning fortifications in place. often times when you have these types of shootings we need to refer to teachable moments. back to 2012 with the shooting in rural colorado, a case where he used smoke bombs to distract the crowd. four years later the pulse nightclub shooting that happened in orlando, we had a similar concept that came into play.
a country music festival, got to look to what happened in las vegas with the mass shootings there. we got to take those amalgamations of teachable moments, instances that i mentioned and that is when law enforcement will fold into their investigation going forward. rob: reminds you of the vegas shooting, 59 people were killed, 500 heard in las vegas. over to you. a situation like this. the sheriff's department was asked do you train from as casualty situation? what does that mean? how does it work? >> it will end the threat, you don't want to rush because it already happened. there are different components that go on. you will see numbers climb as
people go to the hospitals. they are saying there are 200 college kids, jumping out windows, or they get out to save their life. they go to the social media, look at this individual and see what his tie is to the establishment. you don't know, if he is getting bullied. there will be a tie but they have to do it right, not jump the gun. >> something to clarify. and when you get to the scene, there were shots fired at that moment. how to change the approach? >> not only do you have an
active shooter, and officer down, go after this guy, the degree of indifference, an issue with a cop. you do not know and can't read about descriptions of things like that. and releasing the wrong information that passed away. and the proper notification to families, the loved one passed away through tv or a false narrative. it is a little different because the deputy was shot. on top of that a lot of evidence, ballistics, possible video and got to take your time as the incident happens. >> just to let people know there is a hotline number. in southern california, your
kids go to these schools around the san fernando valley if you can't get in touch with them there is the number to call to get information. and thousand oaks, and a country bar named borderline in thousand oaks, 11 people shot, multiple people killed, a gunman killed as well for sheriff deputies. >> when police got the call, they hear gunfire, 11 shot, ventura county spokesman reports the shooter is dead. a couple of schools are cal lutheran, pepperdine, lsu and reports from a lot of witnesses saying they can't contact family
members get lost when they were inside. you have a lot of concerned parents and family members out there. >> they take the phone off and silence it and wonder if they were at the bar. a frightening time for this to happen. it happened at 11:20 at night, prime time for college bar and there were hundreds of people inside what appears to be a massive country-western bar and wednesday night, college students, everybody in their, we heard from a 19-year-old girl, a bunch of young kids trying to have fun and another mass shooting in this country. >> a lot of witnesses say they were able to escape the people hiding in the bathrooms, people made their way to the attic of this building and reports that some people were throwing chairs at the window to smash and break those windows so they could escape out the windows of the building. you hear stories of the hero who
was an army veteran who threw a woman to get her out but sorry i hurt you but i had to get you out of there. in these times you hear stories of survival and heroism. >> absolutely agree. this mass pandemonium in this situation, chaos when you enter these types of mass shootings because it presents somewhat of a target for the shooter coming in and there's no exit plan, no exit strategy for patrons that come into these venues so the truth is i refer to what happened with the bomar mateen shooting at the polls my club, extreme similarities between the two. one of the things i think of, when you see the illuminated exit signs, this is very important when you come into a situation as a patron, a
shooting or a fire. how do you get out of this? jillian: how do you stop this from happening in a place like a bar? >> difficult to stop because often times when you enter these venues there's a search so chances are you come in, i am a licensed gun owner so i carry a firearm but the average citizen coming into this type of venue is coming in unarmed, sailing in this particular case, the first thing he did was shot the security guard and advanced into the population. the truth of the matter is the best thing you can do is seek refuge as best as possible and stay away from the line of fire. we look at two aspects, you can evacuate your shelter in place. generally speaking when we think of the evacuation it needs to be something safe. if you shelter in place, it goes back to a lot of other past shootings in these schools but
when you are sheltering in place you want to find whatever is closest and most safe moving forward. this is a very unfortunate situation but i think it is a teachable moment for law enforcement and even private practitioners in how they fortify installations moving forward. rob: a witness dancing on the dance floor inside the bar when the shooter came in and she heard shots fired. >> it was really really really shocking. my dad was in the military for so long, he kind of prepared me but not ever prepared me, never thought something like this could happen. i need to get shelter, i never had time to think about why this was happening. it was just get out. jillian: we are awaiting a press
conference. there is a lot of talk this morning about the potential of smoke bombs being used. police have not confirmed that but multiple witnesses have said that. how does that change the game for police? >> i saying it is a premeditated attack. this was obviously planned. in early 20s, naïve and not thinking of the worst-case scenario. on wednesday, it is not friday or saturday night. no one is expecting this. normally don't have the club details, this is premeditated. makes you think what was the motive behind this? rob: as we look at the screen, on the right side you see the press conference from the sheriff department, full screen ringing in the trailer.
they know they will be there for a while investigating the mass shooting. when you talk about the venue, we don't have any idea what the motive behind this was or anything about the suspect other than he was a man. when you look at this as a target this is an absolutely prime target, hundreds of people packed into a bar in one location. they are all young mostly american students. if you want to really make an impact, if you want to scare and torment, this is where you go in the kind of target you are looking for. >> we want to go to the shooter's ideology. we don't know that. generally speaking in these mass shootings i want to say a large percentage of the time the shooter is either captured or neutralized. what is important in gaining information as to why he did
this it helps law enforcement move forward providing fortifications but the truth of the matter is traditional things, getting into a shooter's cell phone or computer. we also wants to look at threats, the establishment, do police -- >> they are checking the mic. >> law enforcement will look back at threats against the organization against this installation. people all up and threatened to cause great harm to individuals at this place. we have to look at the amalgamation of past instances and tie it in to why this happened. it is an atrocity to say the least. things happen in our society and what can we do to make these establishments more safe. that is what the premise for law enforcement is looking for. jillian: one at this bar at this college night at the border line
bar and grill, emergency hotline to your loved ones, family or friends. a tough time for people trying to talk to their kids, their friends. a lot of people in the community. this happened at 11:20 p.m. local time in california when the shots started. that is when police got the phone call and it continued for at least a couple minutes. rob: a lot of young people go to this bar. this is a residential area in san fernando valley. we got a mass shooting. i can only imagine how many people, may just be asleep with their phones off, have no idea whether or not their child who might be in school was at the bar. to redirect this thing we have 11 shot multiple fatalities at the border line bar and grill in
thousand oaks, california, happening at 11:00 local pacific time and the gunmen we understand has been killed by himself or by sheriff deputies inside the bar. the threat has been neutralized as we wait for a full update from the vendor i county sheriff's department. jillian: the spokesman said the suspect was dead. we heard in the midst of that 11 people shot, a sheriff deputy as well. rob: we heard a tremendous story from a young man who watched that happen and was able to drag him out of there. we understand the sheriff deputy is in grave condition, the last update we heard from one of our sources at this time. jillian: on the right side of your screen we are awaiting a press conference where you can see the local news stations, everyone waiting for the latest update. the first update had six people
who were shot, police upped it to 11. we are waiting for more confirmation in detail as to the conditions of the victims who have been hurt. rob: this happening at a country-western bar, one of the last mass shootings we heard from this region was just two hours east of their near the inland empire in san bernardino at the public health department where a man of pakistani dissent and his wife walked into the health department and killed 14 people and injured 22 others and that was three years ago, december 2015. jillian: witnesses said smoke bombs were used, made it harder to figure out where they were going. a number of witnesses say i started running and didn't know if i was running in the direction of the shooter, i just knew i had to run, had to do something, had to get out of there and for a lot of people who couldn't escape they hated the bathroom, heat in the attic,
people through chairs out the window to break the windows to escape. then we heard witnesses say i was able to get out and thought it was over as i was running up the street, i heard morgan shots being fired. rob: we heard some sound from young people that were inside the bar. there's been a flood of people outside the bar because there were so many people inside, such a busy place. if we could listen to some of that, let's give an idea how young and how vulnerable the people celebrating in this bar are. >> in the parking lot trying to get near the car and i was there with amazing people and paramedics, very fortunate to have them there because they were two people. >> hundreds of college students attending college night at this
bar, borderline bar and grill in thousand oaks, california. at the dance hall, about a 2500 ft. open space dance floor outside the bar. you can imagine the scene, how many people were in there, how chaotic it was. you might have darker area, it wasn't exactly a club but the potential, loud music in there, really chaotic scene playing out. rob: looking at the website, standup comedians, andrew dice clay in the last couple weeks, line dancing lessons on wednesday night at 9:30 when they bring everybody in, teach you how to line dance, has that western feel, you are talking about a bar where with you have a fake id you are there from 18 to 23 years old. a very young bar for college students and just terrible to see, a couple young girls around
21 years old wrapped in a blanket just crying and it breaks your heart to see something like this at that age. jillian: jonathan hunt was there, raced down when he got the phone call. you have been talking to victims, hearing a number of stories from people trying to locate friends and family. what else are you hearing? >> reporter: we are hearing what has become tragically for millions across the country over the last few years as victims and those on the scene emerge from these kind of shootings, heartbreak and shock, we talked to a lot of these people, their memories are not always that focused and clear. we did speak to one young man. garrett brown i believe his name was. he said right in front of him, that sheriff deputy we heard about was shot.
he said he helped drag the sheriff deputy to a nearby police car. given his veteran status, what he continued the condition of the deputy, he said he was unresponsive. we have no official confirmation on the deputy's condition at this point, no official confirmation on the condition of any of the 11 people we are being told were shot during this rampage. from some of the witnesses we heard this idea that smoke bombs were left off before the shooting began. i went to cautioned that what we hear from witnesses in these situations do not always pan out to be completely accurate because they are working on a mixture of adrenaline and pure fear. he will have to wait for more details but the smoke bomb
element of it is true, looking to my left here as sheriff deputies try to approach, if that is true, that would speak to this being a fairly well-planned attack. as i look to the left, sheriff's deputies approaching the microphones, i will move forward a little bit and see if they are ready to talk. it looks as though they are. let's listen to the latest information from officials on the ground. >> thank you. to provide you with the latest information on this incident i want to introduce on my left, sheriff jeff dean, the sheriff of ventura county. geoff dean. on my right is ryan young, special agent in charge of los angeles field office of the federal bureau of investigation. ryan young.
on my right is bill the maples, chief of the coastal division of the california highway patrol. l.d. maples which i will hand it to sheriff dean to give you the latest. >> good morning. you are all experienced reporters and understand it is a dynamic ongoing investigation and a tragic tragic situation. i will go through the details, share with you everything i have and we will answer all the questions you may have. the highway patrol, any additional information you might have. tonight 11:20 p.m. we received multiple calls of shots being fired at the borderline bar and
grill in thousand oaks. first sheriff unit arrived on scene three minutes later. and patrol officers on scene at a local traffic stop and heard the traffic and responded right away. approximately three minutes later the highway patrol officer and sheriff sergeant made entry into the borderline because they heard shots being fired and there might be additional victims inside. on going through the front door, sheriff sergeant was struck multiple times with gunfire. highway patrol officer stepped back and secured the perimeter until additional units arrived and rescued the sheriff sergeant out of the line of gunfire.
when additional units arrived including squad personnel, the seamy valley police department, bentara police department and additional officers from highway patrol they made entry into the borderline bar and grill, we have 11 victims that have been killed. the suspect we believe was the only suspect was dead inside. there were multiple other levels of injury inside the scene and taken to local hospitals. in addition to victims inside and numbers of 10 to 12, with minor injuries, and took
themselves to local hospitals. and to help us with identification process and crime scene, we have no idea if it is terrorism link and ongoing investigations and the information will come out to determine who the suspect was and what motive he might have had for this horrific event. happy to answer any questions you might have.>> sergeant passt the hospital about an hour ago. i only mention it might be terrorists because that's
where we all go these days when we have multiple reasons for it when we have this horrific death. i have to lead me to believe or the fbi that there is any terrorism link here but we certainly will look at that option. [inaudible] >> i'm sorry? [inaudible] >> what do you mean by devices? >> people thought there was smoke bombs that were going off? >> there was some initial reports that a smoke bomb might have been used. we have not found anything yet. we have called in our bomb team to go in through. we have a couple bomb dogs checking the area. we haven't found any other explosive device or confirmation that there was a smoke device. >> what does that make you think if there was a smoke device? >> >> hindsight and speculation is pretty easy. you would think if someone throw as smoke device it was certainly more of a planned attack and not something spontaneous. >> the sergeant, how long was he on the floor? anything about -- >> -- sergeant hillis was on
the force for 29 years. was looking to retire in the next year or. so he was a moore park resident and is survived by his wife and his son. >> what is his name? >> ron helus. >> the question is thousand oaks a safe community? it's a horrible. part of the horrors happening everywhere. hard to put any lock lo jik or sense to the senseless. >> did he take his own life or was it through a shootout with the officers. >> when the officer made entry, the suspect was already deceased. >> there were 11 victims. i will not count the suspect as a victim. the suspect and then sergeant helus. >> so 11 victims? >> 11 victims, the suspect,