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>> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight we begin with a preview of the superbowl with sports illustrate's peter king. >> the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. >> charlie: then we look at troubles with toyota with brian ross at abc and professor jeffrey liker from the university of michigan. >> they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical to the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is and they really believe customer always comes first. >> charlie: andrea elliot grew up in alabama and then became a major terrorist in somalia. >> what i think people find so jarring with omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing, who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because these really straddling the divide. >> charlie: the sport bowl with peter king toyota with brian ross and jeff liker and andrea elliot about the journey of one man from alabama to somalia, next. if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic ) captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: the 44th superbowl will be played this sunday in miami, florida. it is a match between two of the most explosive offenses in the nfl. paten manning will seek a second title in the last four years. new orleans off the heels of the victory of brett farve. they rely on their star quarterback drew breeze. this game marks the first time that two number one seeds will meet for the title since 1993. joining me now from ft. lauderdale our guy, peter king. he is as you know a senior writer for sports illustrated and widely considered one of the most thoughtful and best informed sources covering the nfl. so i'm pleased to have him back on this broadcast. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. great to be with you. >> charlie: here's where i want to start. five questions, the answers to which will determine who wins the superbowl. >> well, i'll tell you this, charlie, to me the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. because in the last 32 minutes of the last two games, the two play off games the colts have out scored the opposition 41-0. it's all because paten manning figures it out in the first quarter, second quarter and after that he's unstoppable. that's the biggest factor in the game. there's a bunch of other little subplots is dwight freely the star quarterbacker going to be healthy, is drew breeze protected enough so that the saints can be a powerful offensive team. can a lot of the players especially on new orleans who may have some first time superbowl jitters, it appears as though i would want to fa in the first part of the game are the saints going to be affected by the bigness of the stage. >> charlie: when you look at manning when he goes to get underneath the center and he starts all of that talking and waving his hands what is that all about. >> so many guys in the nfl basically have begun to figure out a lot of it is total nonsense. you know in baseball the third base coach does in this this and does that. 90% of it means absolutely nothing. it's the same thing with paten. in fact ray louis, the great baltimore line back irer told me i know which part of that is fate. when you play him for the first time you're wide-eyed. he's saying all these colors and numbers and everything and a lot of it so much of it is phony. so that's what johnathan vilma the defensive signal caller of the new orleans saints. he's got a huge job of what paten manning is saying is phony, what's real and what does it mean. that's why manning is so good. his guys know that. the other guys usually don't and he capitalizes. >> charlie: match up from your observation, manning versus breeze. >> well, i mean, manning is more of a veteran player whose had more playoff experience and has been obviously in more big games. you know, and i think it's going to be very hard for the saints to throw something at paten manning that he hasn't seen before. whereas breeze is obviously playing in a game of this magnitude for the nurse time. he's also facing a strange defense. the indianapolis colts are the smallest team in football and the saints arthro to be able to overpower them. wait a minute, what the colts do is run all over the place and run you ragged. they have smaller guys but they have faster guys. that's something that the saints are not really used to seeing. so i think it's going to be how quickly can drew breeze adjust. and one of the things i wrote today in my column on si.com, is this could make for a very illogical hero in the game for the new orleans saints. there's a back up tight end named david thomas who the saints like to use to help block, you know, as a bigger tight end to knock off some of the defensive ends and line backers who rush the passer. and my theory is that david thomas is going to be in this game, going to be catching a lot of balls from drew breeze because he's not going to have a lot of time to throw. so breeze will be looking for the shorter safer stuff and i think that's where guys like david thomas and maybe reggie bush coming out of the back field come in and they could catch a lot of balls on sunday to try to beat the colts. >> charlie: does either team have an advantage in terms of motivation, inspiration, reason to win? >> well, the indianapolis colts i think, i mean paten manning will be 78 -- if he loses this game, he will be 78 years old, you know, warming up to play golf in palm springs one day and this will come to his mind and it will ruin his round of golf i guarantee you if he loses. whereas if the new orleans saints, their motivation is for a city, a region, a state. and you know, drew breeze, charlie, i went to dinner withdrew breeze about a month ago. and he convened some of the biggest business leaders in the new orleans area. it's his little secret group of businessmen who he asks, who he asks on many occasions to give him seed money for projects that haven't been able to get done around the area, schools, hospitals, a cancer center because of katrina. and drew breeze feels this pressure. it's his calling in life. he honestly feels like he has been called. he went to new orleans as a free agent because what he wanted to do was help save this region. it's corny and all that but it's absolutely true. and at dinner this night, he said everybody here let's raise a glass to new orleans. i mean it's something how the -- out of a movie, it sounds ridiculous. that's part of breeze's motivation. there's no doubt that the city of new orleans and that region is riding along with the saints for this game. in fact, i believe that they'll have quite a few more fans in the stadiums sunday night than the colts will. and -- >> charlie: and do you believe that the new orleans coach who is famous for how he leads his team out will have something really unique to say? >> well charlie i wrote in sports illustrated last week about one of the most inspirational pre-game presentations that i've ever witnessed, you know, in my 25 years covering the nfl. sean paten the coach of the saints had every one of the top highlights sports highlights in the united states history, going all the way back to jessie owens and joe louis and mohammed ali and all of that. at the end of it, ronnie lot, the hero 49er who has won four super bowls, he had ronnie lot standing there saying to the guys if i could have just one wish in my life, it would be that i could go out one more time just like you guys will tomorrow and try to win a championship. you have no idea how lucky you are. and you know the players in that meeting afterwards, it was on the saturday night before the championship game, they were just dying to play right then. i mean the worst thing for them is they have like 20 hours before the game started. but paten is very famous for its motivation whereas the coach of the colts, jail calledwell is a flat liner. like tony th coach who won the super bowl last time they're not going to be mr. fire and brim stone they're going to be here's what you have to do to win and go out in a business-like way. they've won more games in this decade than any team has ever won in the decade of the nfl history. so obviously the flat line motivation works too for the colts. >> charlie: does paten manning say to himself i need to win this one i need two to be considered the greatest quarterback in the national football league. >> you know, paten manning is not one of those, charlie, who is ever going to tell you that history is vitally important to him. but make no mistake about it, he wants to be known as the greatest quarterback ever to play football now. i am of the opinion that we all need to sort of take a chill pill a little bit on proclaiming manning as the best quarterback whoever played for a very simple reason. this is his 12th year in the national football league and if he wins the superbowl, it would be a second championship. does anybody out there remember auto graham who two generations ago, three generations ago almost played ten years of professional football, won seven championships or joe montana who won four. we need to basically allow history to run its course because the nfl is not 19 years old, it's 90 years old. >> charlie: when you look at these two coaches does the fact that called well is a rookie coach make a difference. >> i don't think it does, charlie. he has his roots in the joe paternal school. he's a meantee of joe paternal. so i think nothing surprises him. and i think the team follows his lead the same as it did with dungee. it's the same thing with sean paten. i think the team gets sky high and stays extremely motivated and pound up during a game. i don't think either team has an advantage in that way. i would say the one thing i like about sean paten and what he does, he calls the offensive plays and i think he is excellent. as good as anybody in the game right now at in-game adjustments. when he sees a team doing something to him he figures it out just like manning does and what he does is he changes things from series to series to account for the defensive changes that he sees. >> charlie: so you've got manning's ability to adapt and the whole inspirational thing going. what about the pass rush of the new orleans saints? >> well the pass work of the saints, charlie, is a weird amalgam of kind of a buddy ryan clone. a guy named greg williams a defensive coordinator of saint. what he likes to do is do something he won't show you. like last week darren sharper had from probably the best pass rushing days in his career just in terms of impact. he had a huge hit on brett farve early in the game against minnesota and he was a constant presence, he was a thorn in the side of the vikings. but you may not see him rush one time in this game because greg williams likes to throw change ups. so my feeling is if you look at the way this team is, i think, you know, the way it happens on sunday with this game is that williams tries to throw different pitches at paten manning. because manning is the biggest student of the game in football. and on the other side of the fence i think a lot depends on how a former undrafted free agent named raheem brock, if he has a play a lot for the injured defensive end, whose got ann cull injury for the colts, it would be brock's job to come in and do what dwight freeny was going to do was to torment drew breeze. >> charlie: if feeny's in the game, you got to keep an additional, you got to guard paten manning that much harder and that gives you one less receiver. >> that's exactly right, charlie. and i wrote about that earlier this week. maurice jones drew of the jackson will jaguars said it is a vital part of this game. because if quite freeny is effective and playing in this game, then the new orleans saints on a normal pattern where they might send out four guys, they'll have to keep in one and only send out three. if it was a third and long and freeny is there and they fear him, instead of sending out five they will send out four. one of sean paten's strength is putting a lot of guys, flooding guys into the secondary and breeze is the most cut -- accurate passer in the league so he has no problem pointing out a guy and hitting him. that's a big factor. >> charlie: here's ten things i say about the superbowl. number nine, i city think the stats say it all about the forecast of this game is as follows. in the last three grains greg williams has coached against manning. the quarterback has completed 71% of his passes, then sacked only once and hit ten times in 12 quarters. the saints are going to have to do better than that. >> no question about it. and that's what greg williams is drilling into his team all week. in essence he's saying if we only do an average job against paten manning and don't force two or three turnovers, we'll be on the losing end on sunday. and so he's drilling into his team, hit paten manning early and often. >> charlie: i assume the model for that is what the giants did to tom brady. >> no question about it. but that's easier said than done because the giants had one of the best defensive lines in recent history. the saints have a good defensive line with a very good defensive tackle in cedrick ellis but it's not to the level of what the giants were. plus charlie, do you know what, the colts know it's coming. and one other thing is when paten manning gets hit, a lot of times, and people will laugh when they envision this but just think of this. here's what you'll see from paten manning on sunday. if he sees a heavy rush, he's going to do what everybody would criticize them you're not macho, you're not a man. he'll do -- duke into the fetal position and fall on to the ground and want to live another day. this is not macho ball it's football and four quarter game. if i get sacked a couple time in the first quarter without really getting hit that's fine don't worry. we'll figure it out and we'll win the game in the second half. >> charlie: if the colts win, will everybody question caldwell's decision not to take paten out against when they played against the jets. >> here's what will happen. there will be fans in indianapolis, and a friend of mine said his next door anyway who is a huge colts fan because of that game, because they were 14-0 and chose not to play the starters through the whole game, to beat the jets to attempt to go 16-0. and then have the first perfect 19-0 season in the 91 year history of the league, their whole point was why didn't you at least try. >> charlie: you're picking? >> i'm picking the colts 33-26. very simply because in my opinion can hold paten manning down for a series, two series, three series but eventually over the course of 60 minutes, he's going to get you. >> charlie: one last question. if you were going to go, you or sean paten or something else, williams, the defense coach for the new orleans saints, looking for one person who knew best how to stop paten manning, who would it be? >> i'd give the coach of the detroit lions, jim schwartz a call. schwartz was the defensive coordinator of the tennessee tighten for three years and beat paten manning three times, beat the colts three times. and he did it, charlie remember -- you're a big basketball guy. remember the old dean smith four corner offense. >> charlie: indeed. >> jim schwartz's philosophy in essence is bleed the clock as much as possible and put paten manning on the field as little as possible. and just make sure that if he's only on the field for 22, 23 out of the 60 minutes, that you make enough plays and you stop him enough times so that you, your own offense can make enough plays to win. that's what jim schwartz believed. totally taking the air out of the football. and greg williams understands that. he doesn't want paten manning on the field either but i think his attitude is more attack attack attack. >> charlie: everything, much of what i know about the superbowl and much of what i know about the nfl comes from you my friend and i thank you for taking this time with us. >> you're very wise man, charlie. thank you very much. >> charlie: indeed. thank you, peter. back in a moment. stay with us. as the count down to the academy awards continues, we bring you another oscar moment. >> the exciting thing about the movie-making for me is the fact that you're doing something new every picture, you learn something. i'm not trying experimental. that doesn't mean i'm doing something gymnastic in front of the camera, rolling it around or dropping it off the building. i've done that. it's a -- there's just some challenge to overcome and that challenge in this particular thing was just to play the character, to play all the various elements of the character and to have the other actors get all of the elements of their character in there. and it's always fun to watch it unfold. >> charlie: the president of toyota today apologized after the company recently acknowledged defects in several of its most popular vehicles. last month the world's largest automaker recalled cars for faulty pedals. this week they announced investigations into the system of the prius hybrid car. the conference at the company headquarters in japan returned to the company's tradition of making reliable products. >> we are trying to increase our product better. so this kind of procedure is good for the customers. so please believe me, we always customer first is first priority. >> charlie: joining me now from abc news in new york, brian ross. he's been covering toyota's troubles for several months. here's a look at one of his reports about toyota's faulty pedals. it aired last november. >> charlie, federal safety officials said today the underlying cause of some 2000 so-called run away toyotas remains under active investigations. until today, toyota had solely blamed either the wrong formats or driver error. the government's statement comes as a growing number of toyota ownersor coming forward to insist that floor mats don't explain the mystery. before the tragic accident in this highway outside san diego in august, a luksz 2009 driven by an off duty california highway patrol officer was out of control. >> it's stuck, we're in trouble. there's no brake. >> the messenger called 911 from the back seat. >> we are approaching the intersection. hold on. >> all four people in the lexus died after it hit another car, crashed into only embankment and burst into flames. >> charlie: joining us from ann arbor is jeffrey liker. he's an engineering professor and wrote several books about toyota. i'm pleased to have them both on this broadcast. let me go to you. where is it today. >> deep apologies and bows by the president and ceo of toyota, kept a company in crises. first they blamed floor mats on the floor then it was a sticky gas pedal and then computers and cars had an electronic lift of some sort. on top of that this week they acknowledged their state of the art the future car the prius had another problem. they had defect and they've raised the ire of safety officials here and in japan. >> charlie: what happens next. >> they find a way to solve the problems of the run away cars. they've insisted they've found those problems. many safety analysts are skeptical of that. two congressional hearings, one next week, the one the week after that. and lots of questions about their long hard work that gave them the reputation for quality safety. and now in tatters, they're beginning a new television commercial campaign this sunday. they've hired pr specialists in washington, former republican and democratic press secretaries to get them past this crises. >> charlie: what damage do you think, professor, it's done to toyota? >> the damage is probably most important to toyota which is the trust of the public and the trust of their customers and that's something that is not going to be easy to repair in the short run and they're going to have to prove that they deserve that trust and will have to earn it back. >> charlie: what was wrong. this was supposed to be a model automobile company. >> well it's not be been happy, i've been very disappointed by some of things i've seen but not necessarily the same things that are coming out in the reports i just heard, for example. so when i look at the errors, say, with the sticky pedal which is something that happened six or seven years ago when they designed that, when i look at the carpenter issue that case of the police officer in san diego, that, they clearly attributed to the wrong carpet being put in by a lexus dealer without attaching the carpet down and then that carpet was actually melted on to the pedal. so that was very clear in the cause and effect. in the case of 2000 incidents over ten years, they can't always find the actual cause. so i'm looking over time saying maybe one hour here one hour there, i don't see a whole bunch of errors just because it's come out in the press recently. what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is customer always comes first. >> charlie: brian, when you listen, what do they say is wrong with toyota. >> they say there's a culture that they don't want to fully cooperate with u.s. federal safety regulators. they don't necessarily trust them. we had on the air this week on world news with diane sawyer, an interview with a former toyota lawyer here in the u.s. who says he handled product liability cases and orders come from japan to hide or not disclose certain documents that would help those people who are suing or safety investigators. he was told to conceal that evidence. now they deny that and we asked mr. toyota today at his news conference about that and he said we always try to cooperate 100% from this point forward. but there are questions whether his predecessor led the company down the wrong road, they raced for profits to be number one in the world and perhaps less attention on quality. >> charlie: has there been anything in terms of what decisions have been made in the last couple years because of the economic crises that might have affected this. >> well it's hard to know. they were struggling to keep their profits high, to ride through the recession. they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical of the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really, to hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> charlie: do you feel like that somehow, that there's a case to be made for toyota that's not being made in any way? that somehow they are being accused of something that's not accurate? >> oh yeah, i absolutely believe that. because what i see again is if you go, if you were to go to any manufacturing plant in america, or in the world, you would be amazed by the focus on other -- on quality. the people i talk to in the tech center, they're the best engineers i've ever met and they're always focused on quality. >> charlie: what does this mean for american companies, brian. >> some of the companies are taking advantage of that, offering incentives for toyota dealers. some of the japanese companies as well. i don't think they have a lot to gloat about frankly if you look at all of the reports at the national highway traffic safety administration, almost all companies have problems and you hear bit. it's just in the case of the toyotas, the reports of what they call sudden acceleration or run away cars just took off in monumental numbers after 2002 or 3, you had to use computers to control the gas pedal or throttle. and many do believe there's a glitch or algorithm that's off that they can't replicate. it doesn't happen all the time by any means, it's rare but when it does happen, it can be very dangerous. >> charlie: i hear you saying they haven't pinpointed the problem yet. >> they haven't. they say they can't have that problem. people with experience go in and say i have a different gas pedal than the ones recalled. i don't have those floor mats that's my problem and yet this car took off at 70-80 miles an hour how to you explain it. those reports have been ignored by toyota and excluded by the federal investigators here who kept a very narrow focus on when they looked at these sudden acceleration incidents. >> charlie: professor liker, how do you explain that. >> well first of all, 2000 incidence of acceleration over ten years when a lot of those are probably due to the carpet and other means. i don't think you could explain everything. i don't think when somebody complins you can't investigate the car. maybe they weren't so good at investigating the car. what i've personally been able to see by one of the top engineer in toyota are the actual schematics of that electronic system. what impressed me most was that it was really designed to be fail safe against electromagnetic waves. it has two separate sensors, when you pushed on the pedal. there are two separate computer processors, completely independent. they go back and forth and any time there's a disagreement, the cpu's for example disagree in any way the system shuts down. >> charlie: would you buy a toyota today. >> absolutely. in fact one of my students this morning is saying i'm waiting for the prices to come down because i want to get a toyota. >> just to raise another issue about their quality and engineers who are very good, toyota made a decision not to have a brake override which is a feature in many other cars. or if there's a conflict between the accelerator and the brake, if you hit the brake, the accelerator, the throttle stops automatically. they don't have that in toyota. they're only now beginning to institute that. many say if you had that you wouldn't have had any of these problems. that i guess was a cost cutting measure. >> charlie: was it? do we know. >> it's hard to know but it's an extra added feature they have in their lexus the more expensive car but not the less expensive cars. >> charlie: when you put the question to them what do they say? why don't you have this in many cars. >> i've gone many times asking that question and the answers are pretty much gobbly gook. >> charlie: professor do you know the answer. >> they have to design the software separately for each car, and why they didn't do it in the past i don't either because it's obviously what they should have done. that's not at the working level here but i wish they had done it and they wish they had done it and i don't have a really good explanation. >> charlie: what do you think will be the financial repercussions for toyota. >> in the short term they're going to be very serious. i think it's going to take a while to build back up their sales so if you lose part on of your sales for a year, we're talking billions of dollars. fortunately they've got the pockets because their policy is to save when times are good. and they have saved a lot. so they can, they're a long term company and they'll get through this. but it's going to hurt their stock price, it will hurt their balance sheet and that's just the way it is. >> charlie: what do we know about the new ceo, brian. >> well he is the grandson of the founder. he is not really being blamed. he inherited the situation that where costs may have been cut and profit's the central focus not quality and he's trying to turn it around. >> charlie: thank you brian, thank you professor liker, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> charlie: we'll be right back. stay with us. omar was born and raised in a small town out side mobile, alabama. his formative years including friday night football game, camp and sophomore president. today at the age of 25, he has become a key figure in a ruthless islamic insurgency dedicated to throwing back the islamic government. he has become a jihadist icon. he's in a campaign that's drawn hundreds of fighters to somalia. and andrea elliot has documented the strange and haunting journey he has taken. he's done that in a remarkable piece for "the new york times" magazine it is called jihaddists next door. how did a fall her kid in a small town in alabama wind up in al-qaeda. i'm pleased to have andrea elliott back. >> great to be here. >> charlie: tell me the story. it's amazing. >> it begins with his parents. his father came to the united states from damascus in the early 1970's to pursue a college degree. he was searching for a small town and no one in his family had come to the united states. he had a little guidance and heard about this college a couple towns north of alabama. he looked no further. he got there. he was hoping to become a doctor. and he met a local southern baptist girl and they eventually got married. and started a family. and from the start, their two religions coexisted. they were married in a church followed by having a muslim ceremony. so omar and his sister would go to church with his mother on sundays but they lived in really essentially a culturally muslim home which is to say they would leave their shoes at the door. they didn't eat pork. so they had both religions really in their lives from day one. that said, omar did consider himself a christian. he walked to the front of his southern baptist church at the age of six to be baptized. and remained christian until his early teens. >> charlie: what happened then? >> this is a kid who was strikingly curious. he has this kind of insatiable curiosity. he would ask endless questions. there are all these great stories about teachers just getting bored with his questions. he felt frustrated by this small alabama town. and his curiosity and all these questions, it was as if he was searching for answers and couldn't find them. he certainly could not find them in christianity. he found christianity to be intellectually indefensible. he really struggled with the notion of the trinity, for instance. he couldn't explain to himself why, how god could have a son. so he was grappling in a very witty manner with these questions when a lot of his trends were hanging out and not second guessing anything. his friend remembers this when they were 13 or 14 sitting around a bon fire and omar was saying this doesn't make sense to me, i can't accepted it. so islam appeals to him first really on an intellectual basis. and it seems to present to him a kind of belief system that meshed with the way he saw the world. >> charlie: then he went to damascus and saw a certain order that he liked. >> this was a life changing trip. syria had really remained in the distance during his childhood and so he went a couple times. and the third time he went, he was 15 and at that point, he was easily the most popular kid in his class. he was dating one of the pretty just girls in the school. he was about to be elected class president. he was a star student in the gift student's program living a dreamy adolescence. he goes to syria and i think what happened a few years prior to this is that his older sister moved out. she couldn't bear her father's rules. her father while very loving to his children was strict as was their mother. so she left and omar felt very alone. and was sort of searching for i think a kind of replacement sibling in a sense. and this i actually really got a good sense from his girlfriend at the time who talked to him when he was in sirius, the first thing she noticed she tracks his converse through his introduction or reintroduction to his syrian heritage. so he's there and he calls back to alabama saying the culture is so incredible. he was very taken with the sort of social order of things. there was a reliability to it. and as he put it to her a co-ceasiveness of brother hood that felt with his cousins. even these photographs from of from that trip he has parted with his look of polish shirts and baggie jeans he's wearing prayer cams and cotton tunics. it's a cultural thing that happens first and then he comes back and is really at that point starting to convert to islam. and after 9/11 he became a part of this movement that really embraces this very literal reading of the quran and follows a really strict series of edicts. he would only eat with his right hand and he swore -- wore his pants above his ankle and he wouldn't pose for photographs. a different practice then his father being very devout president of a local mosque trying to be mainstream american life. his son wearing a long reasonable and turban, they were very different. so by the time he gets to toronto, one of the things that he was totally convinced by in this salfi way of life was that he couldn't be politically engaged. he had to denounce terrorism and militancy because they were considered unhuhful. that was about really just focusing on the practice. in other words, you're not going to make the world a better place by taking up arms. you're only going to make the world a better place by becoming a better muslim. the focus was on all these rules. when he got to toronto being an american in toronto sort of opened him up to a target of all of these comments about the occupations in iraq. and he experienced a political awakening and he through that process came to embrace this theological orientation. by the time he gets to egypt, he is open to jihad. he's open to really finding a kind of greater purpose in his life. and that is how he sees it. and looking for action, really in that respect. and he meets daniel maldonado who is this american in his late 20's from new hampshire who also moved to egypt and is on the same internet forum and they become friends. they go to somalia together. >> charlie: and then what happens? >> when omar gets to somalia, he's left his wife and baby daughter in egypt. his mother had been visiting at the time. he told her he was going to look for a job. so he's left them in the dark. when he gets to somalia he calls home and from the beginning he's not telling them fully what's going on. he cess he's there to visit his wife, her family. what i can say for sure by the end of 2006 he has enlisted with the shebab which means youth. and it's this militant group that is increasingly linked to al-qaeda. and he starts, really he lands with this 22 year old who has no military training. and what's interesting to me is that the same things that kind of elevated him in high school, that made him this really popular figure, his charisma, his edginess what some of his friends would call his effortless cool, seemed to have served him with the shebab also. >> charlie: he rose to leadership. >> he rose to leadership position. it's hard to say exactly what that position is but i've been able to piece together an idea of it which is that he has, after completing training, he caught the notice of some of his superiors because he brought a skill set, he was computer savvy and smart and very very dedicated to the cause. so they end up training him further and he comes to lead military strikes in the field, according to somalia and american law enforcement officials. he is plotting strategy with al-qaeda militants. he is having a say in the shebab's political and recruitment strategy. but almost as powerful is this symbolic role that he comes to have which he is presented through their propaganda. there are videos of this icon in the making. it's the same things you saw in high school. he has this kind of, in the videos he walks around with his shirt sleeves rolled up and he's sort of casual and relaxed and patrolling in the camps. and he's shown running in slow motion holding a rifle with an amateurish jihadist rap song playing. they're presenting him as a revolutionary k-like figure in an attempt to recruit more people. >> charlie: and you assume this is something he enjoys and wants to do. >> yes. >> charlie: let's look at some of these clips. the first one is going by the name of abu and sural which means the american. >> the american. >> charlie: here it is. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> charlie: this is an interview you did in al jazeera awe. >> yes in 2007. >> charlie: where is he now. >> one would presume he's in somalia. no one knows exactly. i've talked to somalia and american law enforcement officials have interviewed people who fought with him and tracked movement. i've also talked to people who have fought with him who defected to the government side. and so what i can tell you about his life there is that he seems to move around a lot. he has a role in the camps. he is a kind of charismatic figure to other recruits. it's important to also put this in the context of this sort of story of american radicalization in this country. because he is one of more than 20 americans who have gone to this movement. and the majority of them are -- >> charlie: the shebab. >> the shebab. and they're mostly americans for the minneapolis area. and so they, a lot of them were driven by nationalism actually because they were motivated to go after ethiopia invaded somalia in 2006. he went there as part of a global jihad. so his ideology, plenty of the smallian americans of indianapolis are also in agreement with this ideology but it's a global cause. the idea is that, you know, very much in keeping with al-qaeda's ideology, to bring about an islamic world order. and what's so interesting at the same time is that what i think people are, find so jarring about omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: people you can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because he's really straddling the divide. and not just him but also a lot of these guys from minneapolis. they get to somalia and they continue to maintain contact with their friends and family via face book, via cell phones, via e-mail. this is a generation that has come of age with the internet. so they remain connected to this wider modern world while at the same time embracing this vision of utopia that goes back centuries. and while a also seeing america as the enemy. and so it's the juxtaposition of those two things that i think people find so alarming especially with hamami because he could be the kid next door. for a lot of people who grew up with him he is the kid next door. so he brings this home. >> charlie: i was going to ask you two things that are interest beyond his story. one is how you found this story which we'll come to in a moment. the other is what is the lesson from the story which is partly that. >> yes. i think a couple things about this. we've had this sort of space of cases over the last year. >> charlie: exactly. >> and that has caused a kind of new reckoning with the subject in this country. and i think what you see is people are backing away from this notion that militancy is europe's problem. because clearly it has found its way here. that said, you have to keep in mind there are a lot of debates about what this number of cases really represent. does it represent an up kick in activity or does it represent a just greater surveillance by law enforcement that therefore exmost a constant amount of activity all along. this is really a tiny fraction of the muslim community in this country that these men represent. but that said, the case raises question. and i think that what's interesting about them is you see when you look at the suspects in this country, people like hamami and you compare them to the militants in europe, you see there's a range of socio-economic background and also of religious piety. so you can't look at poverty as a predictor of this. there was a long standing myth that is really now seen that poverty breeds terrorism. i think when you talk to most established terrorism analysts agree that you can't experience this, you can't study this as a religious phenomenon or as the product over social alienation. it's a movement with religious and political underpinnings which is complicated. >> charlie: it used to be said that one of the things we have that in order to meet the challenge of terrorism, what you had to do was in a sense make sure that people weren't radicalized at a younger age. what is contemporary thinking about. >> how to fight it, how to prevent it. very very hard. i think that that's precisely the problem or that's precisely the challenge i should say because there are no clear predictors of this. what you do see are some patterns. you see that these young men, you can almost liken them to kids who end up joining a can you tell or a gang or who lose themself to drugs. they don't see it that way, they see this as a higher calling. but they are looking for a higher calling. they are contrary to popular perception, a lot of them are motivated and are deeply prild. when they see this religious piety they tend to be bonded by this politically driven anger. >> charlie: this is a propaganda video where al appears without a mask revealing his face as he makes his case for recruiting future fighters. >> his name was caco. he was a beautiful brother. we hope that -- for his family and we want -- his family that he was one of the best brothers here. and there's sincerity could be seen even on his face. and we need more like hem. so if you can encourage more of your children and more of your neighbors to send people like him to jihad, it would be a great asset. >> charlie: this video is from? >> well it came out in march of last year but that particular scene supposedly was shot in july 2008, july 15th which is this am bush which senior intelligence officials have said it actually happened. it was captured in this video. right there he's kind of calling attention to one of his fallen soldiers who he refers to as a martyr. and i think it's intended to try to recruit others from the west to this cause. the promise is victory or martyrdom. you're victorious or you're martyrdommed and end up in the after life with great reward. you can't go wrong and that's the message they're putting out. >> charlie: you tried to reach him. >> i did. >> charlie: were you successful. >> yes, i was. >> charlie: direct e-mail or through another party. >> i submitted questions through an intermediary. >> charlie: and he would answer them. >> i got an answer. >> charlie: you seem hesitant to talk about this. are you. >> i can't say too much about it. >> charlie: okay much why not? >> because i need to protect my source. >> charlie: has he read the article? >> he represents a new generation, a new jihad. they are totally connected to the world. this is a group of men who have been raised using the internet. and this is what i found in the minneapolis group. they read the news, they're on-line. i would be surprised if he hadn't seen this. >> charlie: thank you. >> thank you. >> charlie: the jihaddists next door, how did a popular kid in alabama wind up connected to al-qaeda. andrea elliott. this is the january 31st new york times magazine, i'm sure you can see it on-line as well. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic )
MiamiFloridaUnited-statesNew-yorkMontanaCaco00EthiopiaJapanAlabamaNew-hampshireDamascus >> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight we begin with a preview of the superbowl with sports illustrate's peter king. >> the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. >> charlie: then we look at troubles with toyota with brian ross at abc and professor jeffrey liker from the university of michigan. >> they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical to the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is and they really believe customer always comes first. >> charlie: andrea elliot grew up in alabama and then became a major terrorist in somalia. >> what i think people find so jarring with omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: can't imagine knowing. >> people you can'imagine knowing, who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because these really straddling the divide. >> charlie: the sport bowl with peter king toyota with brian ross and jeff liker and andrea elliot about the journey of one man from alabama to somalia, next. if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic ) captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: the 44th superbowl will be played this sunday in miami, florida. it is a match between two of the most explosive offenses in the nfl. paten manning will seek a second title in the last four years. new orleans off the heels of the victory of brett farve. they rely on their star quarterback drew breeze. this game marks the first time that two number one seeds will meet for the title since 1993. joining me now from ft. lauderdale our guy, peter king. he is as you know a senior writer for sports illustrated and widely considered one of the most thoughtful and best informed sources covering the nfl. so i'm pleased to have him back on this broadcast. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. great to be with you. >> charlie: here's where i want to start. five questions, the answers to which will determine who wins the superbowl. >> well, i'll tell you this, charlie, to me the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. because in the last 32 minutes of the last two games, the two play off games the colts have out scored the opposition 41-0. it's all because paten manning figures it out in the first quarter, second quarter and after that he's unstoppable. that's the biggest factor in the game. there's a bunch of other little subplots is dwight freely the star quarterbacker going to be healthy, is drew breeze protected enough so that the saints can be a powerful offensive team. can a lot of the players especially on new orleans who may have some first time superbowl jitters, it appears as though i would want to fa in the first part of the game are the saints going to be affected by the bigness of the stage. >> charlie: when you look at manning when he goes to get underneath the center and he starts all of that talking and waving his hands what is that all about. >> so many guys in the nfl basically have begun to figure out a lot of it is total nonsense. you know in baseball the third base coach does in this this and does that. 90% of it means absolutely nothing. it's the same thing with paten. in fact ray louis, the great baltimore line back irer told me i know which part of that is fate. when you play him for the first time you're wide-eyed. he's saying all these colors and numbers and everything and a lot of it so much of it is phony. so that's what johnathan vilma the defensive signal caller of the new orleans saints. he's got a huge job of what paten manning is saying is phony, what's real and what does it mean. that's why manning is so good. his guys know that. the other guys usually don't and he capitalizes. >> charlie: match up from your observation, manning versus breeze. >> well, i mean, manning is more of a veteran player whose had more playoff experience and has been obviously in more big games. you know, and i think it's going to be very hard for the saints to throw something at paten manning that he hasn't seen before. whereas breeze is obviously playing in a game of this magnitude for the nurse time. he's also facing a strange defense. the indianapolis colts are the smallest team in football and the saints arthro to be able to overpower them. wait a minute, what the colts do is run all over the place and run you ragged. they have smaller guys but they have faster guys. that's something that the saints are not really used to seeing. so i think it's going to be how quickly can drew breeze adjust. and one of the things i wrote today in my column on si.com, is this could make for a very illogical hero in the game for the new orleans saints. there's a back up tight end named david thomas who the saints like to use to help block, you know, as a bigger tight end to knock off some of the defensive ends and line backers who rush the passer. and my theory is that david thomas is going to be in this game, going to be catching a lot of balls from drew breeze because he's not going to have a lot of time to throw. so breeze will be looking for the shorter safer stuff and i think that's where guys like david thomas and maybe reggie bush coming out of the back field come in and they could catch a lot of balls on sunday to try to beat the colts. >> charlie: does either team have an advantage in terms of motivation, inspiration, reason to win? >> well, the indianapolis colts i think, i mean paten manning will be 78 -- if he loses this game, he will be 78 years old, you know, warming up to play golf in palm springs one day and this will come to his mind and it will ruin his round of golf i guarantee you if he loses. whereas if the new orleans saints, their motivation is for a city, a region, a state. and you know, drew breeze, charlie, i went to dinner withdrew breeze about a month ago. and he convened some of the biggest business leaders in the new orleans area. it's his little secret group of businessmen who he asks, who he asks on many occasions to give him seed money for projects that haven't been able to get done around the area, schools, hospitals, a cancer center because of katrina. and drew breeze feels this pressure. it's his calling in life. he honestly feels like he has been called. he went to new orleans as a free agent because what he wanted to do was help save this region. it's corny and all that but it's absolutely true. and at dinner this night, he said everybody here let's raise a glass to new orleans. i mean it's something how the -- out of a movie, it sounds ridiculous. that's part of breeze's motivation. there's no doubt that the city of new orleans and that region is riding along with the saints for this game. in fact, i believe that they'll have quite a few more fans in the stadiums sunday night than the colts will. and -- >> charlie: and do you believe that the new orleans coach who is famous for how he leads his team out will have something really unique to say? >> well charlie i wrote in sports illustrated last week about one of the most inspirational pre-game presentations that i've ever witnessed, you know, in my 25 years covering the nfl. sean paten the coach of the saints had every one of the top highlights sports highlights in the united states history, going all the way back to jessie owens and joe louis and mohammed ali and all of that. at the end of it, ronnie lot, the hero 49er who has won four super bowls, he had ronnie lot standing there saying to the guys if i could have just one wish in my life, it would be that i could go out one more time just like you guys will tomorrow and try to win a championship. you have no idea how lucky you are. and you know the players in that meeting afterwards, it was on the saturday night before the championship game, they were just dying to play right then. i mean the worst thing for them is they have like 20 hours before the game started. but paten is very famous for its motivation whereas the coach of the colts, jail calledwell is a flat liner. like tony th coach who won the super bowl last time they're not going to be mr. fire and brim stone they're going to be here's what you have to do to win and go out in a business-like way. they've won more games in this decade than any team has ever won in the decade of the nfl history. so obviously the flat line motivation works too for the colts. >> charlie: does paten manning say to himself i need to win this one i need two to be considered the greatest quarterback in the national football league. >> you know, paten manning is not one of those, charlie, who is ever going to tell you that history is vitally important to him. but make no mistake about it, he wants to be known as the greatest quarterback ever to play football now. i am of the opinion that we all need to sort of take a chill pill a little bit on proclaiming manning as the best quarterback whoever played for a very simple reason. this is his 12th year in the national football league and if he wins the superbowl, it would be a second championship. does anybody out there remember auto graham who two generations ago, three generations ago almost played ten years of professional football, won seven championships or joe montana who won four. we need to basically allow history to run its course because the nfl is not 19 years old, it's 90 years old. >> charlie: when you look at these two coaches does the fact that called well is a rookie coach make a difference. >> i don't think it does, charlie. he has his roots in the joe paternal school. he's a meantee of joe paternal. so i think nothing surprises him. and i think the team follows his lead the same as it did with dungee. it's the same thing with sean paten. i think the team gets sky high and stays extremely motivated and pound up during a game. i don't think either team has an advantage in that way. i would say the one thing i like about sean paten and what he does, he calls the offensive plays and i think he is excellent. as good as anybody in the game right now at in-game adjustments. when he sees a team doing something to him he figures it out just like manning does and wh he does is he changes things from series to series to account for the defensive changes that he sees. >> charlie: so you've got manning's ability to adapt and the whole inspirational thing going. what about the pass rush of the new orleans saints? >> well the pass work of the saints, charlie, is a weird amalgam of kind of a buddy ryan clone. a guy named greg williams a defensive coordinator of saint. what he likes to do is do something he won't show you. like last week darren sharper had from probably the best pass rushing days in his career just in terms of impact. he had a huge hit on brett farve early in the game against minnesota and he was a constant presence, he was a thorn in the side of the vikings. but you may not see him rush one time in this game because greg williams likes to throw change ups. so my feeling is if you look at the way this team is, i think, you know, the way it happens on sunday with this game is that williams tries to throw different pitches at paten manning. because manning is the biggest student of the game in football. and on the other side of the fence i think a lot depends on how a former undrafted free agent named raheem brock, if he has a play a lot for the injured defensive end, whose got ann cull injury for the colts, it would be brock's job to come in and do what dwight freeny was going to do was to torment drew breeze. >> charlie: if feeny's in the game, you got to keep an additional, you got to guard paten manning that much harder and that gives you one less receiver. >> that's exactly right, charlie. and i wrote about that earlier this week. maurice jones drew of the jackson will jaguars said it is a vital part of this game. because if quite freeny is effective and playing in this game, then the new orleans saints on a normal pattern where they might send out four guys, they'll have to keep in one and only send out three. if it was a third and long and freeny is there and they fear him, instead of sending out five they will send out four. one of sean paten's strength is putting a lot of guys, flooding guys into the secondary and breeze is the most cut -- accurate passer in the league so he has no problem pointing out a guy and hitting him. that's a big factor. >> charlie: here's ten things i say about the superbowl. number nine, i city think the stats say it all about the forecast of this game is as follows. in the last three grains greg williams has coached against manning. the quarterback has completed 71% of his passes, then sacked only once and hit ten times in 12 quarters. the saints are going to have to do better than that. >> no question about it. and that's what greg williams is drilling into his team all week. in essence he's saying if we only do an average job against paten manning and don't force two or three turnovers, we'll be on the losing end on sunday. and so he's drilling into his team, hit paten manning early and often. >> charlie: i assume the model for that is what the giants did to tom brady. >> no question about it. but that's easier said than done because the giants had one of the best defensive lines in recent history. the saints have a good defensive line with a very good defensive tackle in cedrick ellis but it's not to the level of what the giants were. plus charlie, do you know what, the colts know it's coming. and one other thing is when paten manning gets hit, a lot of times, and people will laugh when they envision this but just think of this. here's what you'll see from paten manning on sunday. if he sees a heavy rush, he's going to do what everybody would criticize them you're not macho, you're not a man. he'll do -- duke into the fetal position and fall on to the ground and want to live another day. this is not macho ball it's football and four quarter game. if i get sacked a couple time in the first quarter without really getting hit that's fine don't worry. we'll figure it out and we'll win the game in the second half. >> charlie: if the colts win, will everybody question caldwell's decision not to take paten out against when they played against the jets. >> here's what will happen. there will be fans in indianapolis, and a friend of mine said his next door anyway who is a huge colts fan because of that game, because they were 14-0 and chose not to play the starters through the whole game, to beat the jets to attempt to go 16-0. and then have the first perfect 19-0 season in the 91 year history of the league, their whole point was why didn't you at least try. >> charlie: you're picking? >> i'm picking the colts 33-26. very simply because in my opinion can hold paten manning down for a series, two series, three series but eventually over the course of 60 minutes, he's going to get you. >> charlie: one last question. if you were going to go, you or sean paten or something else, williams, the defense coach for the new orleans saints, looking for one person who knew best how to stop paten manning, who would it be? >> i'd give the coach of the detroit lions, jim schwartz a call. schwartz was the defensive coordinator of the tennessee tighten for three years and beat paten manning three times, beat the colts three times. and he did it, charlie remember -- you're a big basketball guy. remember the old dean smith four corner offense. >> charlie: indeed. >> jim schwartz's philosophy in essence is bleed the clock as much as possible and put paten manning on the field as little as possible. and just make sure that if he's only on the field for 22, 23 out of the 60 minutes, that you make enough plays and you stop him enough times so that you, your own offense can make enough plays to win. that's what jim schwartz believed. totally taking the air out of the football. and greg williams understands that. he doesn't want paten manning on the field either but i think his attitude is more attack attack attack. >> charlie: everything, much of what i know about the superbowl and much of what i know about the nfl comes from you my friend and i thank you for taking this time with us. >> you're very wise man, charlie. thank you very much. >> charlie: indeed. thank you, peter. back in a moment. stayith us. as the count down to the academy awards continues, we bring you another oscar moment. >> the exciting thing about the movie-making for me is the fact that you're doing something new every picture, you learn something. i'm not trying experimental. that doesn't mean i'm doing something gymnastic in front of the camera, rolling it around or dropping it off the building. i've done that. it's a -- there's just some challenge to overcome and that challenge in this particular thing was just to play the character, to play all the various elements of the character and to have the other actors get all of the elements of their character in there. and it's always fun to watch it unfold. >> charlie: the president of toyota today apologized after the company recently acknowledged defects in several of its most popular vehicles. last month the world's largest automaker recalled cars for faulty pedals. this week they announced investigations into the system of the prius hybrid car. the conference at the company headquarters in japan returned to the company's tradition of making reliable products. >> we are trying to increase our product better. so this kind of procedure is good for the customers. so please believe me, we always customer first is first priority. >> charlie: joining me now from abc news in new york, brian ross. he's been covering toyota's troubles for several months. here's a look at one of his reports about toyota's faulty pedals. it aired last november. >> charlie, federal safety officials said today the underlying cause of some 2000 so-called run away toyotas remains under active investigations. until today, toyota had solely blamed either the wrong formats or driver error. the government's statement comes as a growing number of toyota ownersor coming forward to insist that floor mats don't explain the mystery. before the tragic accident in this highway outside san diego in august, a luksz 2009 driven by an off duty california highway patrol officer was out of control. >> it's stuck, we're in trouble. there's no brake. >> the messenger called 911 from the back seat. >> we are approaching the intersection. hold on. >> all four people in the lexus died after it hit another car, crashed into only embankment and burst into flames. >> charlie: joining us from ann arbor is jeffrey liker. he's an engineering professor and wrote several books about toyota. i'm pleased to have them both on this broadcast. let me go to you. where is it today. >> deep apologies and bows by the president and ceo of toyota, kept a company in crises. first they blamed floor mats on the floor then it was a sticky gas pedal and then computers and cars had an electronic lift of some sort. on top of that this week they acknowledged their state of the art the future car the prius had another problem. they had defect and they've raised the ire of safety officials here and in japan. >> charlie: what happens next. >> they find a way to solve the problems of the run away cars. they've insisted they've found those problems. many safety analysts are skeptical of that. two congressional hearings, one next week, the one the week after that. and lots of questions about their long hard work that gave them the reputation for quality safety. and now in tatters, they're beginning a new television commercial campaign this sunday. they've hired pr specialists in washington, former republican and democratic press secretaries to get them past this crises. >> charlie: what damage do you think, professor, it's done to toyota? >> the damage is probably most important to toyota which is the trust of the public and the trust of their customers and that's something that is not going to be easy to repair in the short run and they're going to have to prove that they deserve that trust and will have to earn it back. >> charlie: what was wrong. this was supposed to be a model automobile company. >> well it's not be been happy, i've been very disappointed by some of things i've seen but not necessarily the same things that are coming out in the reports i just heard, for example. so when i look at the errors, say, with the sticky pedal which is something that happened six or seven years ago when they designed that, when i look at the carpenter issue that case of the police officer in san diego, that, they clearly attributed to the wrong carpet being put in by a lexus dealer without attaching the carpet down and then that carpet was actually melted on to the pedal. so that was very clear in the cause and effect. in the case of 2000 incidents over ten years, they can't always find the actual cause. so i'm looking over time saying maybe one hour here one hour there, i don't see a whole bunch of errors just because it's come out in the press recently. what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is customer always comes first. >> charlie: brian, when you listen, what do they say is wrong with toyota. >> they say there's a culture that they don't want to fully cooperate with u.s. federal safety regulators. they don't necessarily trust them. we had on the air this week on world news with diane sawyer, an interview with a former toyota lawyer here in the u.s. who says he handled product liability cases and orders come from japan to hide or not disclose certain documents that would help those people who are suing or safety investigators. he was told to conceal that evidence. now they deny that and we asked mr. toyota today at his news conference about that and he said we always try to cooperate 100% from this point forward. but there are questions whether his predecessor led the company down the wrong road, they raced for profits to be number one in the world and perhaps less attention on quality. >> charlie: has there been anything in terms of what decisions have been made in the last couple years because of the economic crises that might have affected this. >> well it's hard to know. they were struggling to keep their profits high, to ride through the recession. they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical of the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really, to hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> charlie: do you feel like that somehow, that there's a case to be made for toyota that's not being made in any way? that somehow they are being accused of something that's not accurate? >> oh yeah, i absolutely believe that. because what i see again is if you go, if you were to go to any manufacturing plant in america, or in the world, you would be amazed by the focus on other -- on quality. the people i talk to in the tech center, they're the best engineers i've ever met and they're always focused on quality. >> charlie: what does this mean for american companies, brian. >> some of the companies are taking advantage of that, offering incentives for toyota dealers. some of the japanese companies as well. i don't think they have a lot to gloat about frankly if you look at all of the reports at the national highway traffic safety administration, almost all companies have problems and you hear bit. it's just in the case of the toyotas, the reports of what they call sudden acceleration or run away cars just took off in monumental numbers after 2002 or 3, you had to use computers to control the gas pedal or throttle. and many do believe there's a glitch or algorithm that's off that they can't replicate. it doesn't happen all the time by any means, it's rare but when it does happen, it can be very dangerous. >> charlie: i hear you saying they haven't pinpointed the problem yet. >> they haven't. they say they can't have that problem. people with experience go in and say i have a different gas pedal than the ones recalled. i don't have those floor mats that's my problem and yet this car took off at 70-80 miles an hour how to you explain it. those reports have been ignored by toyota and excluded by the federal investigators here who kept a very narrow focus on when they looked at these sudden acceleration incidents. >> charlie: professor liker, how do you explain that. >> well first of all, 2000 incidence of acceleration over ten years when a lot of those are probably due to the carpet and other means. i don't think you could explain everything. i don't think when somebody complins you can't investigate the car. maybe they weren't so good at investigating the car. what i've personally been able to see by one of the top engineer in toyota are the actual schematics of that electronic system. what impressed me most was that it was really designed to be fail safe against electromagnetic waves. it has two separate sensors, when you pushed on the pedal. there are two separate computer processors, completely independent. they go back and forth and any time there's a disagreement, the cpu's for example disagree in any way the system shuts down. >> charlie: would you buy a toyota today. >> absolutely. in fact one of my students this morning is saying i'm waiting for the prices to come down because i want to get a toyota. >> just to raise another issue about their quality and engineers who are very good, toyota made a decision not to have a brake override which is a feature in many other cars. or if there's a conflict between the accelerator and the brake, if you hit the brake, the accelerator, the throttle stops automatically. they don't have that in toyota. they're only now beginning to institute that. many say if you had that you wouldn't have had any of these problems. that i guess was a cost cutting measure. >> charlie: was it? do we know. >> it's hard to know but it's an extra added feature they have in their lexus the more expensive car but not the less expensive cars. >> charlie: when you put the question to them what do they say? why don't you have this in many cars. >> i've gone many times asking that question and the answers are pretty much gobbly gook. >> charlie: professor do you know the answer. >> they have to design the software separately for each car, and why they didn't do it in the past i don't either because it's obviously what they should have done. that's not at the working level here but i wish they had done it and they wish they had done it and i don't have a really good explanation. >> charlie: what do you think will be the financial repercussions for toyota. >> in the short term they're going to be very serious. i think it's going to take a while to build back up their sales so if you lose part on of your sales for a year, we're talking billions of dollars. fortunately they've got the pockets because their policy is to save when times are good. and they have saved a lot. so they can, they're a long term company and they'll get through this. but it's going to hurt their stock price, it will hurt their balance sheet and that's just the way it is. >> charlie: what do we know about the new ceo, brian. >> well he is the grandson of the founder. he is not really being blamed. he inherited the situation that where costs may have been cut and profit's the central focus not quality and he's trying to turn it around. >> charlie: thank you brian, thank you professor liker, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> charlie: we'll be right back. stay with us. omar was born and raised in a small town out side mobile, alabama. his formative years including friday night football game, camp and sophomore president. today at the age of 25, he has become a key figure in a ruthless islamic insurgency dedicated to throwing back the islamic government. he has become a jihadist icon. he's in a campaign that's drawn hundreds of fighters to somalia. and andrea elliot has documented the strange and haunting journey he has taken. he's done that in a remarkable piece for "the new york times" magazine it is called jihaddists next door. how did a fall her kid in a small town in alabama wind up in al-qaeda. i'm pleased to have andrea elliott back. >> great to be here. >> charlie: tell me the story. it's amazing. >> it begins with his parents. his father came to the united states from damascus in the early 1970's to pursue a college degree. he was searching for a small town and no one in his family had come to the united states. he had a little guidance and heard about this college a couple towns north of alabama. he looked no further. he got there. he was hoping to become a doctor. and he met a local southern baptist girl and they eventually got married. and started a family. and from the start, their two religions coexisted. they were married in a church followed by having a muslim ceremony. so omar and his sister would go to church with his mother on sundays but they lived in really essentially a culturally muslim home which is to say they would leave their shoes at the door. they didn't eat pork. so they had both religions really in their lives from day one. that said, omar did consider himself a christian. he walked to the front of his southern baptist church at the age of six to be baptized. and remained christian until his early teens. >> charlie: what happened then? >> this is a kid who was strikingly curious. he has this kind of insatiable curiosity. he would ask endless questions. there are all these great stories about teachers just getting bored with his questions. he felt frustrated by this small alabama town. and his curiosity and all these questions, it was as if he was searching for answers and couldn't find them. he certainly could not find them in christianity. he found christianity to be intellectually indefensible. he really struggled with the notion of the trinity, for instance. he couldn't explain to himself why, how god could have a son. so he was grappling in a very witty manner with these questions when a lot of his trends were hanging out and not second guessing anything. his friend remembers this when they were 13 or 14 sitting around a bon fire and omar was saying this doesn't make sense to me, i can't accepted it. so islam appeals to him first really on an intellectual basis. and it seems to present to him a kind of belief system that meshed with the way he saw the world. >> charlie: then he went to damascus and saw a certain order that he liked. >> this was a life changing trip. syria had really remained in the distance during his childhood and so he went a couple times. and the third time he went, he was 15 and at that point, he was easily the most popular kid in his class. he was dating one of the pretty just girls in the school. he was about to be elected class president. he was a star student in the gift student's program living a dreamy adolescence. he goes to syria and i think what happened a few years prior to this is that his older sister moved out. she couldn't bear her father's rules. her father while very loving to his children was strict as was their mother. so she left and omar felt very alone. and was sort of searching for i think a kind of replacement sibling in a sense. and this i actually really got a good sense from his girlfriend at the time who talked to him when he was in sirius, the first thing she noticed she tracks his converse through his introduction or reintroduction to his syrian heritage. so he's there and he calls back to alabama saying the culture is so incredible. he was very taken with the sort of social order of things. there was a reliability to it. and as he put it to her a co-ceasiveness of brother hood that felt with his cousins. even these photographs from of from that trip he has parted with his look of polish shirts and baggie jeans he's wearing prayer cams and cotton tunics. it's a cultural thing that happens first and then he comes back and is really at that point starting to convert to islam. and after 9/11 he became a part of this movement that really embraces this very literal reading of the quran and follows a really strict series of edicts. he would only eat with his right hand and he swore -- wore his pants above his ankle and he wouldn't pose for photographs. a different practice then his father being very devout president of a local mosque trying to be mainstream american life. his son wearing a long reasonable and turban, they were very different. so by the time he gets to toronto, one of the things that he was totally convinced by in this salfi way of life was that he couldn't be politically engaged. he had to denounce terrorism and militancy because they were considered unhuhful. that was about really just focusing on the practice. in other words, you're not going to make the world a better place by taking up arms. you're only going to make the world a better place by becoming a better muslim. the focus was on all these rules. when he got to toronto being an american in toronto sort of opened him up to a target of all of these comments about the occupations in iraq. and he experienced a political awakening and he through that process came to embrace this theological orientation. by the time he gets to egypt, he is open to jihad. he's open to really finding a kind of greater purpose in his life. and that is how he sees it. and looking for action, really in that respect. and he meets daniel maldonado who is this american in his late 20's from new hampshire who also moved to egypt and is on the same internet forum and they become friends. they go to somalia together. >> charlie: and then what happens? >> when omar gets to somalia, he's left his wife and baby daughter in egypt. his mother had been visiting at the time. he told her he was going to look for a job. so he's left them in the dark. when he gets to somalia he calls home and from the beginning he's not telling them fully what's going on. he cess he's there to visit his wife, her family. what i can say for sure by the end of 2006 he has enlisted with the shebab which means youth. and it's this militant group that is increasingly linked to al-qaeda. and he starts, really he lands with this 22 year old who has no military training. and what's interesting to me is that the same things that kind of elevated him in high school, that made him this really popular figure, his charisma, his edginess what some of his friends would call his effortless cool, seemed to have served him with the shebab also. >> charlie: he rose to leadership. >> he rose to leadership position. it's hard to say exactly what that position is but i've been able to piece together an idea of it which is that he has, after completing training, he caught the notice of some of his superiors because he brought a skill set, he was computer savvy and smart and very very dedicated to the cause. so they end up training him further and he comes to lead military strikes in the field, according to somalia and american law enforcement officials. he is plotting strategy with al-qaeda militants. he is having a say in the shebab's political and recruitment strategy. but almost as powerful is this symbolic role that he comes to have which he is presented through their propaganda. there are videos of this icon in the making. it's the same things you saw in high school. he has this kind of, in the videos he walks around with his shirt sleeves rolled up and he's sort of casual and relaxed and patrolling in the camps. and he's shown running in slow motion holding a rifle with an amateurish jihadist rap song playing. they're presenting him as a revolutionary k-like figure in an attempt to recruit more people. >> charlie: and you assume this is something he enjoys and wants to do. >> yes. >> charlie: let's look at some of these clips. the first one is going by the name of abu and sural which means the american. >> the american. >> charlie: here it is. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> charlie: this is an interview you did in al jazeera awe. >> yes in 2007. >> charlie: where is he now. >> one would presume he's in somalia. no one knows exactly. i've talked to somalia and american law enforcement officials have interviewed people who fought with him and tracked movement. i've also talked to people who have fought with him who defected to the government side. and so what i can tell you about his life there is that he seems to move around a lot. he has a role in the camps. he is a kind of charismatic figure to other recruits. it's important to also put this in the context of this sort of story of american radicalization in this country. because he is one of more than 20 americans who have gone to this movement. and the majority of them are -- >> charlie: the shebab. >> the shebab. and they're mostly americans for the minneapolis area. and so they, a lot of them were driven by nationalism actually because they were motivated to go after ethiopia invaded somalia in 2006. he went there as part of a global jihad. so his ideology, plenty of the smallian americans of indianapolis are also in agreement with this ideology but it's a global cause. the idea is that, you know, very much in keeping with al-qaeda's ideology, to bring about an islamic world order. and what's so interesting at the same time is that what i think people are, find so jarring about omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: people you can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because he's really straddling the divide. and not just him but also a lot of these guys from minneapolis. they get to somalia and they continue to maintain contact with their friends and family via face book, via cell phones, via e-mail. this is a generation that has come of age with the internet. so they remain connected to this wider modern world while at the same time embracing this vision of utopia that goes back centuries. and while a also seeing america as the enemy. and so it's the juxtaposition of those two things that i think people find so alarming especially with hamami because he could be the kid next door. for a lot of people who grew up with him he is the kid next door. so he brings this home. >> charlie: i was going to ask you two things that are interest beyond his story. one is how you found this story which we'll come to in a moment. the other is what is the lesson from the story which is partly that. >> yes. i think a couple things about this. we've had this sort of space of cases over the last year. >> charlie: exactly. >> and that has caused a kind of new reckoning with the subject in this country. and i think what you see is people are backing away from thisotion that militancy is europe's problem. because clearly it has found its way here. that said, you have to keep in mind there are a lot of debates about what this number of cases really represent. does it represent an up kick in activity or does it represent a just greater surveillance by law enforcement that therefore exmost a constant amount of activity all along. this is really a tiny fraction of the muslim community in this country that these men represent. but that said, the case raises question. and i think that what's interesting about them is you see when you look at the suspects in this country, people like hamami and you compare them to the militants in europe, you see there's a range of socio-economic background and also of religious piety. so you can't look at poverty as a predictor of this. there was a long standing myth that is really now seen that poverty breeds terrorism. i think when you talk to most established terrorism analysts agree that you can't experience this, you can't study this as a religious phenomenon or as the product over social alienation. it's a movement with religious and political underpinnings which is complicated. >> charlie: it used to be said that one of the things we have that in order to meet the challenge of terrorism, what you had to do was in a sense make sure that people weren't radicalized at a younger age. what is contemporary thinking about. >> how to fight it, how to prevent it. very very hard. i think that that's precisely the problem or that's precisely the challenge i should say because there are no clear predictors of this. what you do see are some patterns. you see that these young men, you can almost liken them to kids who end up joining a can you tell or a gang or who lose themself to drugs. they don't see it that way, they see this as a higher calling. but they are looking for a higher calling. they are contrary to popular perception, a lot of them are motivated and are deeply prild. when they see this religious piety they tend to be bonded by this politically driven anger. >> charlie: this is a propaganda video where al appears without a mask revealing his face as he makes his case for recruiting future fighters. >> his name was caco. he was a beautiful brother. we hope that -- for his family and we want -- his family that he was one of the best brothers here. and there's sincerity could be seen even on his face. and we need more like hem. so if you can encourage more of your children and more of your neighbors to send people like him to jihad, it would be a great asset. >> charlie: this video is from? >> well it came out in march of last year but that particular scene supposedly was shot in july 2008, july 15th which is this am bush which senior intelligence officials have said it actually happened. it was captured in this video. right there he's kind of calling attention to one of his fallen soldiers who he refers to as a martyr. and i think it's intended to try to recruit others from the west to this cause. the promise is victory or martyrdom. you're victorious or you're martyrdommed and end up in the after life with great reward. you can't go wrong and that's the message they're putting out. >> charlie: you tried to reach him. >> i did. >> charlie: were you successful. >> yes, i was. >> charlie: direct e-mail or through another party. >> i submitted questions through an intermediary. >> charlie: and he would answer them. >> i got an answer. >> charlie: you seem hesitant to talk about this. are you. >> i can't say too much about it. >> charlie: okay much why not? >> because i need to protect my source. >> charlie: has he read the article? >> he represents a new generation, a new jihad. they are totally connected to the world. this is a group of men who have been raised using the internet. and this is what i found in the minneapolis group. they read the news, they're on-line. i would be surprised if he hadn't seen this. >> charlie: thank you. >> thank you. >> charlie: the jihaddists next door, how did a popular kid in alabama wind up connected to al-qaeda. andrea elliott. this is the january 31st new york times magazine, i'm sure you can see it on-line as well. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic )
MiamiFloridaUnited-statesNew-yorkMontanaCaco00EthiopiaJapanAlabamaNew-hampshireDamascus >> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight we begin with a preview of the superbowl with sports illustrate's peter king. >> the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. becausin the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. >> charlie: then we look at troubles with toyota with brian ross at abc and professor jeffrey liker from the university of michigan. >> they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical to the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is and they really believe customer always comes first. >> charlie: andrea elliot grew up in alabama and then became a major terrorist in somalia. >> what i think people find so jarring with omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing, who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because these really straddling the divide. >> charlie: theport bowl with peter king toyota with brian ross and jeff liker and andrea elliot about the journey of one man from alabama to somalia, next. if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic ) captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: the 44th superbowl will be played this sunday in miami, florida. it is a match between two of the most explosive offenses in the nfl. paten manning will seek a second title in the last four years. new orleans off the heels of the victory of brett farve. they rely on their star quarterback drew breeze. this game marks the first time that two number one seeds will meet for the title since 1993. joining me now from ft. lauderdale our guy, peter king. he is as you know a senior writer for sports illustrated and widely considered one of the most thoughtful and best informed sources covering the nfl. so i'm pleased to have him back on this broadcast. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. great to be with you. >> charlie: here's where i want to start. five questions, the answers to which will determe who wins the superbowl. >> well, i'll tell you this, charlie, to me the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. because in the last 32 minutes of the last two games, the two play off games the colts have out scored the opposition 41-0. it's all because paten manning figures it out in the first quarter, second quarter and after that he's unstoppable. that's the biggest factor in the game. there's a bunch of other little subplots is dwight freely the star quarterbacker going to be healthy, is drew breeze protected enough so that the saints can be a powerful offensive team. can a lot of the players especially on new orleans who may have some first tim superbowl jitters, it appears as though i would want to fa in the first part of the game are the saints going to be affected by the bigness of the stage. >> charlie: when you look at manning when he goes to get underneath the center and he starts all of that talking and waving his hands what is that all about. >> so many guys in the nfl basically have begun to figure out a lot of it is total nonsense. you know in baseball the third base coach does in this this and does that. 90% of it means absolutely nothing. it's the same thing with paten. in fact ray louis, the great baltimore line back irer told me i know which part of that is fate. when you play him for the first time you're wide-eyed. he's saying all these colors and numbers and everything and a lot of it so much of it is phony. so that's what johnathan vilma the defensive signal caller of the new orleans saints. he's got a huge job of what paten manning is saying is phony, what's real and what does it mean. that's why manning is so good. his guys know that. the other guys usually don't and he capitalizes. >> charlie: match up from your observation, manning versus breeze. >> well, i me, manning is more of a veteran player whose had more playoff experience and has been obviously in more big games. you know, and i think it's going to be very hard for the saints to throw something at paten manning that he hasn't seen before. whereas breeze is obviously playing in a game of this magnitude for the nurse time. he's also facing a strange defense. the indianapolis colts are the smallest team in football and the saints arthro to be able to overpower them. wait a minute, what the colts do is run all over the place and run you ragged. they have smaller guys but they have faster guys. that's something that the saints are not really used to seeing. so i think it's going to be h quickly can drew breeze adjust. and one of the things i wrote today in my column on si.com, is this could make for a very illogical hero in the game for the new orleans saints. there's a back up tight end named david thomas who the saints like to use to help block, you know, as a bigger tight end to knock off some of the defensive ends and line backers who rush the passer. and my theory is that david thomas is going to be in this game, going to be catching a lot of balls from drew breeze because he's not going to have a lot of time to throw. so breeze will be looking for the shorter safer stuff and i think that's where guys like david thomas and may reggie bush coming out of the back field come in and they could catch a lot of balls on sunday to try to beat the colts. >> charlie: does either team have an advantage in terms of motivation, inspiration, reason to win? >> well, the indianapolis colts i think, i mean paten manning will be 78 -- if he loses this game, he will be 78 years old, you know, warming up to play golf in palm springs one day and this will come to his mind and it will ruin his round of golf i guarantee you if he loses. whereas if the new orleans saints, their motivation is for a city, a region, a state. and you know, drew breeze, charlie, i went to dinner withdrew breeze about a month ago. and he convened some of the biggest business leaders in the new orleans area. it's his little secret group of businessmen who he asks, who he asks on many occasions to give him seed money for projects that haven't been able to get done around the area, schools, hospitals, a cancer center because of katrina. and drew breeze feels this pressure. it's his calling in life. he honestly feels like he has been called. he went to w orleans as a free agent because what he wanted to do was help save this region. it's corny and all that but it's absolutely true. and at dinner this night, he said everybody here let's raise a glass to new orleans. i mean it's something how the -- out of a movie, it sounds ridiculous. that's part of breeze's motivation. there's no doubt that the city of new orleans and that region is riding along with the saints for this game. in fact, i believe that they'll have quite a few more fans in the stadiums sunday night than the colts will. and -- >> charlie: and do you believe that the new orleans coach who is famous for how he leads his team out will have something really unique to say? >> well charlie i wrote in sports illustrated last week about one of the most inspirational pre-game presentations that i've ever witnessed, you know, in my 25 years covering the nfl. sean paten the coach of the saints had every one of the top highlights sports highlights in the united states history, going all the way back to jessie owens and joe louis and mohammed ali and all of that. at the end of it, ronnie lot, the hero 49er who has won four super bowls, he had ronnie lot standing there saying to the guys if i could have just one wish in my life, it would be that i could go out one more time just like you guys will tomorrow and try to win a championship. you have no idea how lucky you are. and you know the players in that meeting afterwards, it was on the saturday night before the championship game, they were just dying to play right then. i mean the worst thing for them is they have like 20 hours before the game started. but paten is very famous for its motivation whereas the coach of the colts, jail calledwell is a flat liner. like tony th coach who won the super bowl last time they're not going to be mr. fire and brim stone they're going to be here's what you have to do to win and go out in a business-like way. they've won more games in this decade than any team has ever won in the decade of the nfl history. so obviously the flat line motivation works too for the colts. >> charlie: does paten manning say to himself i need to win this one i need two to be considered the greatest quarterback in the national football league. >> you know, paten manning is not one of those, charlie, who is ever going to tell you that history is vitally important to him. but make no mistake about it, he wants to be known as the greatest quarterback ever to play football now. i am of the opinion that we all need to sort of take a chill pill a little bit on proclaiming manning as the best quarterback whoever played for a very simple reason. this is his 12th year in the national football league and if he wins the superbowl, it would be a second championship. does anybody out there remember auto graham who two generations ago, three generations ago almost played ten years of professional football, won seven championships or joe montana who won four. we need to basically allow history to run its course because the nfl is not 19 years old, it's 90 years old. >> charlie: when you look at these two coaches does the fact that called well is a rookie ach make a difference. >> i don't think it does, charlie. he has his roots in the joe paternal school. he's a meantee of joe paternal. so i think nothing surprises him. and i think the team folame as h dungee. it's the same thing with sean paten. i think the team gets sky high and stays extremely motivated and pound up during a game. i don't think either team has an advantage in that way. i would say the one thing i like about sean paten and what he does, he calls the offensive plays and i think he is excellent. as good as anybody in the game right now at in-game adjustments. when he sees a team doing something to him he figures it out just like manning does and what he does is he changes things from series to series to account for the defensive changes that he sees. >> charlie: so you've got manning's ability to adapt and the whole inspirational thing going. what about the pass rush of the new orleans saints? >> well the pass work of the saints, charlie, is a weird amalgam of kind of a buddy ryan clone. a guy named greg williams a defensive coordinator of saint. what he likes to do is do something he won't show you. like last week darren sharper had from probably the best pass rushing days in his career just in terms of impact. he had a huge hit on brett farve early in the game against minnesota and he was a constant presence, he was a thorn in the side of the vikings. but you may not see him rush one time in this game because greg williams likes to throw change ups. so my feeling is if you look at the way this team is, i think, you know, the way it happens on sunday with this game is that williams tries to throw different pitches at paten manning. because manning is the biggest student of the game in football. and on the other side of the fence i think a lot depends on how a former undrafted free agent named raheem brock, if he has a play a lot for the injured defensive end, whose got ann cull injury for the colts, it would be brock's job to come in and do what dwight freeny was going to do was to torment drew breeze. >> charlie: if feeny's in the game, you got to keep an additional, you got to guard paten manning that much harder and that gives you one less receiver. >> that's exactly right, charlie. and i wrote about that earlier this week. maurice jones drew of the jackson will jaguars said it is a vital part of this game. because if quite freeny is effective and playing in this game, then the new orleans saints on a normal pattern where they might send out four guys, they'll have to keep in one and only send out three. if it was a third and long and freeny is there and they fear him, instead of sending out five they will send out four. one of sean paten's strength is putting a lot of guys, floodin guys into the secondary and breeze is the most cut -- accurate passer in the league so he has no problem pointing out a guy and hitting him. that's a big factor. >> charlie: here's ten things i say about the superbowl. number nine, i city think the stats say it all about the forecast of this game is as follows. in the last three grains greg williams has coached against manning. the quarterback has completed 71% of his passes, then sacked only once and hit ten times in 12 quarters. the saints are going to have to do better than that. >> no question about it. and that's what greg williams is drilling into his team all week. in essence he's saying if we only do an average job against paten manning and don't force two or three turnovers, we'll be on the losing end on sunday. and so he's drilling into his team, hit paten manning early and often. >> charlie: i assume the model for that is what the giants did to tom brady. >> no question about it. but that's easier said than done because the giants had one of the best defensive lines in recent history. the saints have a good defensive line with a very good defensive tackle in cedrick ellis but it's not to the level of what the giants were. plus charlie, do you know what, the colts know it's coming. and one other thing is when paten manning gets hit, a lot of times, and people will laugh when they envision this but just think of this. here's what you'll see from paten manning on sunday. if he sees a heavy rush, he's going to do what everybody would criticize them you're not macho, you're not a man. he'll do -- duke into the fetal position and fall on to the ground and want to live another day. this is not macho ball it's football and four quarter game. if i get sacked a couple time in the first quarter without really getting hit that's fine don't worry. we'll figure it out and we'll win the game in the second half. >> charlie: if the colts win, will everybody question caldwell's decision not to take paten out against when they played against the jets. >> here's what will happen. there will be fans in indianapolis, and a friend of mine said his next door anyway who is a huge colts fan because of that game, because they were 14-0 and chose not to play the starters through the whole game, to beat the jets to attempt to go 16-0. and then have the first perfect 19-0 season in the 91 year history of the league, their whole point was why didn't you at least try. >> charlie: you're picking? >> i'm picking the colts 33-26. very simply because in my opinion can hold paten manning down for a series, two series, three series but eventually over the course of 60 minutes, he's going to get you. >> charlie: one last question. if you were going to go, you or sean ten or something else, williams, t defense coach for the new orleans saints, looking for one person who knew best how to stop paten manning, who would it be? >> i'd give the coach of the detroit lions, jim schwartz a call. schwartz was the defensive coordinator of the tennessee tighten for three years and beat paten manning three times, beat the colts three times. and he did it, charlie remember -- you're a big basketball guy. remember the old dean smith four corner offense. >> charlie: indeed. >> jim schwartz's philosophy in essence is bleed the clock as much as possible and put paten manning on the field as little as possible. and just make sure that if he's only on the field for 22, 23 out of the 60 minutes, that you make enough plays and you stop him enough times so that you, your own offense can make enough plays to win. that's what jim schwartz believed. totally taking the air out of the football. and greg williams understands that. he doesn't want paten manning on the field either but i think his attitude is more attack attack attack. >> charlie: everything, much of what i know about the superbowl and much of what i know about the nfl comes from you my friend and i thank you for taking this time with us. >> you're very wise man, charlie. thank you very much. >> charlie: indeed. thank you, peter. back in a moment. stay with us. as the count down to the academy awards continues, we bring you another oscar moment. >> the exciting thing about the movie-making for me is the fact that you're doing something new every picture, you learn something. i'm not trying experimental. that doesn't mean i'm doing something gymnastic in front of the camera, rolling it around or dropping it off the building. i've done that. it's a -- there's just some challenge to overcome and that challenge in this particular thing was just to play the character, to play all the various elements of the character and to have the other actors get all of the elements of their character in there. and it's always fun to watch it unfold. >> charlie: the president of toyota today apologized after the company recently acknowledged defects in several of its most popular vehicles. last month the world's largest automaker recalled cars for faulty pedals. this week they announced investigations into the system of the prius hybrid car. the conference at the company headquarters in japan returned to the company's tradition of making reliable products. >> we are trying to increase our product better. so this kind of procedure is good for the customers. so please believe me, we always customer first is first priority. >> charlie: joining me now from abc news in new york, brian ross. he's been covering toyota's troubles for several months. here's a look at one of his reports about toyota's faulty pedals. it aired last november. >> charlie, federal safety officials said today the underlying cause of some 2000 so-called run away toyotas remains under active investigations. until today, toyota had solely blamed either the wrong formats or driver error. the government's statement comes as a growing number of toyota ownersor coming forward to insist that floor mats don't explain the mystery. before the tragic accident in this highway outside san diego in august, a luksz 2009 driven by an off duty california highway patrol officer was out of control. >> it's stuck, we're in trouble. there's no brake. >> the messenger called 911 from the back seat. >> we are approaching the intersection. hold on. >> all four people in the lexus died after it hit another car, crashed into only embankment and burst into flames. >> charlie: joining us from ann arbor is jeffrey liker. he's an engineering professor and wrote several books about toyota. i'm pleased to have them both on this broadcast. let me go to you. where is it today. >> deep apologies and bows by the president and ceo of toyota, kept a company in crises. first they blamed floor mats on the floor then it was a sticky gas pedal and then computers and cars had an electronic lift of some sort. on top of that this week they acknowledg their state of the art the future car the prius had another problem. they had defect and they've raised the ire of safety officials here and in japan. >> charlie: what happens next. >> they find a way to solve the problems of the run away cars. they've insisted they've found those problems. many safety analysts are skeptical of that. two congressional hearings, one next week, the one the week after at. and lots of questions about their long hard work that gave them the reputation for quality safety. and now in tatters, they're beginning a new television commercial campaign this sunday. they've hired pr specialists in washington, former republican and democratic press secretaries to get them past this crises. >> charlie: what damage do you think, professor, it's done to toyota? >> the damage is probably most important to tota which is the trust of the public and the trust of their customers and that's something that is not going to be easy to repair in the short run and they're going to have to prove that they deserve that trust and will have to earn it back. >> charlie: what was wrong. is was supposed to be a model automobile company. >> well it's not be been happy, i've been very disappointed by some of things i've seen but not necessarily the same things that are coming out in the reports i just heard, for example. so when i look at the errors, say, with the sticky pedal which is something that happened six or seven years ago when they designed that, when i look at the carpenter issue that case of the police officer in san diego, that, they clearly attributed to the wrong carpet being put in by a lexus dealer without attaching the carpet down and then that carpet was actually melted on to the pedal. so that was very clear in the cause and effect. in the case of 2000 incidents over ten years, they can't always find the actual cause. so i'm looking over time saying maybe one hour here one hour there, i don't see a whole bunch of errors just because it's come out in the press recently. what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is customer always comes first. >> charlie: brian, when you listen, what do they say is wrong with toyota. >> they say there's a culture that they don't want to fully cooperate with u.s. federal safety regulators. they don't necessarily trust them. we had on the air this week on world news with diane sawyer, an interview with a former toyota lawyer here in the u.s. who says he handled product liability cases and orders come from japan to hide or not disclose certain documents that would help those people who are suing or safety investigators. he was told to conceal that evidence. now they deny that and we asked mr. toyota today at his news conference about that and he said we always try to cooperate 100% from this point forward. but there are quesons whether his predecessor led the company down the wrong road, they raced for profits to be number one in the world and perhaps less attention on quality. >> charlie: has there been anything in terms of what decisions have been made in the last couple years because of the economic crises that might have affected this. >> well it's hard to know. they were struggling to keep their profits high, to ride through the recession. they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical of the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really, to hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> charlie: do you feel like that somehow, that there's a case to be made for toyota that's not being made in any way? that somehow they are being accused of something that's not accurate? >> oh yeah, i absolutely believe that. because what i see again is if you go, if you were to go to any manufacturing plant in america, or in the world, you would be amazed by the focus on other -- on quality. the people i talk to in the tech center, they're the best engineers i've ever met and they're always focused on quality. >> charlie: what does this mean for american companies, brian. >> some of the companies are taking advantage of that, offering incentives for toyota dealers. some of the japanese companies as well. i don't think they have a lot to gloat about frankly if you look at all of the reports at the national highway traffic safety administration, most all companies have problems and you hear bit. it's just in the case of the toyotas, the reports of what they call sudden acceleration or run away cars just took off in monumental numbers after 2002 or 3, you had to use computers to control e gas pedal or throttle. and many do believe there's a glitch or algorithm that's off that they can't replicate. it doesn't happen all the time by any means, it's rare but when it does happen, it can be very dangerous. >> charlie: i hear you saying they haven't pinpointed the problem yet. >> they haven't. they say they can't have that problem. people with experience go in and say i have a different gas pedal than the ones recalled. i don't have those floor mats that's my problem and yet this car took off at 70-80 miles an hour how to you explain it. those reports have been ignored by toyota and excluded by the federal investigators here who kept a very narrow focus on when they looked at these sudden acceleration incidents. >> charlie: professor liker, how do you explain that. >> well first of all, 2000 incidence of acceleration over ten years when a lot of those are probably due to the carpet and other means. i don't think you could explain everything. i don't think when somebody complins you can't investigate the car. maybe they weren't so good at investigating the car. what i've personally been able to see by one of the top engineer in toyota are the actual schematics of that electronic system. what impressed me most w that it was really designed to be fail safe against electromagnetic waves. it has two separate ssors, when you pushed on the pedal. there are two separate computer processors, completely independent. they go back and forth and any time there's a disagreement, the cpu's for example disagree in any way the system shuts down. >> charlie: would you buy a toyota today. >> absolutely. in fact one of my students this morning is saying i'm waiting for the prices to co down because i want to get a toyota. >> just to raise another issue about their quality and engineers who are very good, toyota made a decision not to have a brake override which is a feature in many other cars. or if there's a conflict between the accelerator and the brake, if you hit the brake, the accelerator, the throttle stops automatically. they don't have that in toyota. they're only now beginning to institute that. many say if you had that you wouldn't have had any of these problems. that i guess was a cost cutting measure. >> charlie: was it? do we know. >> it's hard to know but it's an extra added feature they have in their lexus the more expensive car but not the less expensive cars. >> charlie: when you put the question to them what do they say? why don't you have this in many cars. >> i've gone many times asking that question and the answers are pretty much gobbly gook. >> charlie: professor do you know the answer. >> they have to design the software separately for each car, and why they didn't do it in the past i don't either because it's obviously what they should have done. that's not at the working level here but i wish they had done it and they wish they had done it and i don't have a really good explanation. >> charlie: what do you think will be the financial repercussions for toyota. >> in the short term they're going to be very serious. i think it's going to take a while to build back up the sales so if you lose part on of your sales for a year, we're talking billions of dollars. fortunately they've got the pockets because their policy is to save when times are good. and they have saved a lot. so they can, they're a long term company and they'll get through this. but it's going to hurt their stock price, it will hurt their balance sheet and that's just the way it is. >> charlie: what do we know about the new ceo, brian. >> well he is the grandson of the founder. he is not really being blamed. he inherited the situation that where costs may have been cut and profit's the central focus not quality and he's trying to turn it around. >> charlie: thank you brian, thank you professor liker, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> charlie: we'll be right back. stay with us. omar was born and raised in a small town out side mobile, alabama. his formative years including friday night football game, camp and sophomore president. today at the age of 25, he has become a key figure in a ruthless islamic insurgency dedicated to throwing back the islamic government. he has become a jihadist icon. he's in a campaign that's drawn hundreds of fighters to somalia. and andrea elliot has documented the strange and haunting journey he has taken. he's done that in a remarkable piece for "the new york times" magazine it is called jihaddists next door. how did a fall her kid in a small town in alabama wind up in al-qaeda. i'm pleased to have andrea elliott back. >> great to be here. >> charlie: tell me the story. it's amazing. >> it begins with his parents. his father came to the united states from damascus in the early 1970's to pursue a college degree. he was searching for a small town and no one in his family had come to the united states. he had a little guidance and heard about this college a couple towns north of alabama. he looked no further. he got there. he was hoping to become a doctor. and he met a local southern baptist girl and they eventually got married. and started a family. and from the start, their two religions coexisted. they were married in a church followed by having a musm ceremony. so omar and his sister would go to church with his mother on sundays but they lived in really essentially a culturally muslim home which is to say they would leave their shoes at the door. they didn't eat pork. so they had both religions really in their lives from day one. that said, omar did consider himself a christian. he walked to the front of his southern baptist church at the age of six to be baptized. and remained christian until his early teens. >> charlie: what happened then? >> this is a kid who was strikingly curious. he has this kind of insatiable curiosity. he would ask endless questions. there are all these great stories about teachers just getting bored with his questions. he felt frustrated by this small alabama town. and his curiosity and all these questions, it was as if he was searching for answers and couldn't find them. he certainly could not find them in christianity. he found christianity to be intellectually indefensible. he really struggled with the notion of the trinity, for instance. he couldn't explain to himself why, how god could have a son. so he was grappling in a very witty manner with these questions when a lot of his trends were hanging out and not second guessing anything. his friend remembers this when they were 13 or 14 sitting around a bon fire and omar was saying this doesn't make sense to me, i can't accepted it. so islam appeals to him first really on an intellectual basis. and it seems to present to him a kind of belief system that meshed with the way he saw the world. >> charlie: then he went to damascus and saw a certain order that he liked. >> this was a life changing trip. syria had really remained in the distance during his childhood and so he went a couple times. and the third time he went, he was 15 and at that point, he was easily the most popular kid in his class. he was dating one of the pretty just girls in the school. he was about to be elected class president. he was a star student in the gift student's program living a dreamy adolescence. he goes to syria and i think what happened a few years prior to this is that his older sister moved out. she couldn't bear her father's rules. her father while very loving to his children was strict as was their mother. so she left and omar felt very alone. and was sort of searching for i think a kind of replacement sibling in a sense. and this i actually really got a od sense from his girlfriend at the time who talked to him when he was in sirius, the first thing she noticed she tracks his converse through his introduction or reintroduction to his syrian heritage. so he's there and he calls back to alabama saying the culture is so incredible. he was very taken with the sort of social order of things. there was a reliability to it. and as he put it to her a co-ceasiveness of brother hood that felt with his cousins. even these photographs from of from that trip he has parted with his look of polish shirts and baggie jeans he's wearing prayer cams and cotton tunics. it's a cultural thing that happens first and then he comes back and is really at that point starting to convert to islam. and after 9/11 he became a part of this movement that really embraces this very literal reading of the quran and follows a really strict series of edicts. he would only eat with his right hand and he swore -- wore his pants above his ankle and he wouldn't pose for photographs. a different practice then his father being very devout president of local mosque trying to be mainstream american life. his son wearing a long reasonable and turban, they were very different. so by the time he gets to toronto, one of the things that he was totally convinced by in this salfi way of life was that he couldn't be politically engaged. he had to denounce terrorism and militancy because they were considered unhuhful. that was about really just focusing on the practice. in other words, you're not going to make the world a better place by taking up arms. you're only going to make the world a better place by becoming a better muslim. the focus was on all these rules. when he got to toronto being an american in toronto sort of opened him up to a target of all of these comments about the occupations in iraq. and he experienced a political awakening and he through that process came to embrace this theological orientation. by the time he gets to egypt, he is open to jihad. he's open to really finding a kind of greater purpose in his life. and that is how he sees it. and looking for action, really in that respect. and he meets daniel maldonado who is this american in his late 20's from new hampshire who also moved to egypt and is on the same internet forum and they become friends. they go to somalia together. >> charlie: and then what happens? >> when omar gets to somalia, he's left his wife and baby daughter in egypt. his mother had been visiting at the time. he told her he was going to look for a job. so he's left them in the dark. when he gets to somalia he calls home and from the beginning he's not telling them fully what's going on. he cess he's there to visit his wife, her family. what i can say for sure by the end of 2006 he has enlisted with the shebab which means youth. and it's this militant group that is increasingly linked to al-qaeda. and he starts, really he lands with this 22 year old who has no military training. and what's interesting to me is that the same things that kind of elevated him in high school, that made him this really popular figure, his charisma, his edginess what someof his friends would call his effortless cool, seemed to have served him with the shebab also. >> charlie: he rose to leadership. >> he rose to leadership position. it's hard to say exactly what that position is but i've been ab to piece together an idea of it which is that he has, after completing training, he caught the notice of some of his superiors because he brought a skill set, he was computer savvy and smart and very very dedicated to the cause. so they end up training him further and he comes to lead military strikes in the field, according to somalia and american law enforcement officials. he is plotting strategy with al-qaeda militants. he is having a say in the shebab's political and recruitment strategy. but almost as powerful is this symbolic role that he comes to have which he is presented through their propaganda. there are videos of this icon in the making. it's the same things you saw in high school. he has this kind of, in the videos he walks around with his shirt sleeves rolled up and he's sort of casual and relaxed and patrolling in the camps. and he's shown running in slow motion holding a rifle with an amateurish jihadist rap song playing. they're presenting him as a revolutionary k-like figure in an attempt to recruit more people. >> charlie: and you assume this is something he enjoys and wants to do. >> yes. >> charlie: let's look at some of these clips. the first one is going by the name of abu and sural which means the american. >> the american. >> charlie: here it is. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> charlie: this is an interview you did in al jazeera awe. >> yes in 2007. >> charlie: where is he now. >> one would presume he's in somalia. no one knows exactly. i've talked to somalia and american law enforcement officials have interviewed people who fought with him and tracked movement. i've also talked to people who have fought with him who defected to the government side. and so what i can tell you about his life there is that he seems to move around a lot. he has a role in the camps. he is a kind of charismatic figure to other recruits. it's important to also put this in the context of this sort of story of american radicalization in this country. because he is one of more than 20 americans who have gone to this movement. and the majority of them are -- >> charlie: the shebab. >> the shebab. and they're mostly americans for the minneapolis area. and so they, a lot of them were driven by nationalism actually because they were motivated to go after ethiopia invaded somalia in 2006. he went there as part of a global jihad. so his ideology, plenty of the smallian americans of indianapolis are also in agreement with this ideology but it's a global cause. the idea is that, you know, very much in keeping with al-qaeda's ideology, to bring about an islamic world order. and what's so interesting at the same time is that what i think people are, find so jarring about omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: people you can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because he's really straddling the divide. and not just him but also a lot of these guys from minneapolis. they get to somalia and they continue to maintain contact with their friends and family via face book, via cell phones, via e-mail. this is a generation that has come of age with the internet. so they remain connected to this wider modern world while at the same time embracing this vision of utopia that goes back centuries. and while a also seeing america as the enemy. and so it's the juxtaposition of those two things that i think people find so alarming especially with hamami because he could be the kid next door. for a lot of people who grew up with him he is the kid next door. so he brings this home. >> charlie: i was going to ask you two things that are interest beyond his story. one is how you found this story which we'll come to in a moment. the other is what is the lesson from the story which is partly that. >> yes. i think a couple things about this. we've had this sort of space of cases over the last year. >> charlie: exactly. >> and that has caused a kind of new reckoning with the subject in this country. and i think what you see is people are backing away from this notion that militancy is europe's problem. because clearly it has found its way here. that said, you have to keep in mind there are a lot of debates about what this number of cases really represent. does it represent an up kick in activity or does it represent a just greater surveillance by law enforcement that therefore exmost a constant amount this is really a tiny fraction of the muslim community in this country that these men represent. but that said, the case raises question. and i think that what's interesting about them is you see when you look at the suspects in this country, people like hamami and you compare them tohe militants in europe, you see there's a range of socio-economic background and also of religious piety. so you can't look at poverty as a predictor of this. there was a long standing myth that is really now seen that poverty breeds terrorism. i think when you talk to most established terrorism analysts agree that you can't experience this, you can't study this as a religious phenomenon or as the product over social alienation. it's a movement with religious and political underpinnings which is complicated. >> charlie: it used to be said that one of the things we have that in order to meet the challenge of terrorism, what you had to do was in a sense make sure that people weren't radicalized at a younger age. what is contemporary thinking about. >> how to fight it, how to prevent it. very very hard. i think that that's precisely the problem or that's precisely the challenge i should say because there are no clear predictors of this. what you do see are some patterns. you see that these young men, you can almost liken them to kids who end up joining a can you tell or a gang or who lose themself to drugs. they don't see it that way, they see this as a higher calling. but they are looking for a higher calling. they are contrary to popular perception, a lot of them are motivated and are deeply prild. when they see this religious piety they tend to be bonded by this politically driven anger. >> charlie: this is a propaganda video where al appears without a mask revealing his face as he makes his case for recruiting future fighters. >> his name was caco. he was a beautiful brother. we hope that -- for his family and we want -- his family that he was one of the best brothers here. and there's sincerity could be seen even on his face. and we need more like hem. so if you can encourage more of your children and more of your neighbors to send people like him to jihad, it would be a great asset. >> charlie: this video is from? >> well it came out in march of last year but that particular scene supposedly was shot in july 2008, july 15th which is this am bush which senior intelligence officials have said it actually happened. it was captured in this video. right there he's kind of calling attention to one of his fallen soldiers who he refers to as a martyr. and i think it's intended to try to recruit others from the west to this cause. the promise is victory or martyrdom. you're victorious or you're martyrdommed and end up in the after life with great reward. you can't go wrong and that's the message they're putting out. >> charlie: you tried to reach him. >> i did. >> charlie: were you successful. >> yes, i was. >> charlie: direct e-mail or through another party. >> i submitteduestions through an intermediary. >> charlie: and he would answer them. >> i got an answer. >> charlie: you seem hesitant to talk about this. are u. >> i can't say too much about it. >> charlie: okay much why not? >> because i need to protect my source. >> charlie: has he read the article? >> he represents a new generation, a new jihad. they are totally connected to the world. this is a group of men who have been raised using the internet. and this is what i found in the minneapolis group. they read the news, they're on-line. i would be surprised if he hadn't seen this. >> charlie: thank you. >> thank you. >> charl: the jihaddists next door, how did a popular kid in alabama wind up connected to al-qaeda. andrea elliott. this is the january 31st new york times magazine, i'm sure you can see it on-line as well. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh cess.wgbh.org if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic )
MiamiFloridaUnited-statesNew-yorkMontanaCaco00EthiopiaJapanAlabamaNew-hampshireDamascus >> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight we begin with a preview of the superbowl with sports illustrate's peter king. >> the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orles saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. >> charlie: then we look at troubles with toyota with brian ross at abc and professor jeffrey liker from the university of michigan. >> they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical to the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is and they reay believe customer always comes first. >> charlie: andrea elliot grew up in alabama and then became a major terrorist in somalia. >> what i think people find so jarring with omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing, who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because these really straddling the divide. >> charlie: the sport bowl with peter king toyota with brian ross and jeff liker and andrea elliot about the journey of one man from alabama to somalia, next. if you've had a coke in the last 20ears, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic ) captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: the 44th superbowl will be played this sunday in miami, florida. it is a match between two of the most explosive offenses in the nfl. paten manning will seek a second title in the last four years. new orleans off the heels of the victory of brett farve. they rely on their star quarterback drew breeze. this game marks the first time that two number one seeds will meet for the title since 1993. joining me now from ft. lauderdale our guy, peter king. he is as you know a senior writer for sports illustrated and widely considered one of the most thoughtful and best informed sources covering the nfl. so i'm pleased to have him back on this broadcast. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. great to be with you. >> charlie: here'shere i want to start. five questions, the answers to which will determine who wins the superbowl. >> well, i'll tell you this, charlie, to me the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. because in the last 32 minutes of the last two games, the two play off games the colts have out scored the opposition 41-0. it's all because paten manning figures it out in the first quarter, second quarter and after that he's unstoppable. that's the biggest factor in the game. there's a bunch of other little subplots is dwight freely the star quarterbacker going to be healthy, is drew breeze protected enough so that the saints can be a powerful offensive team. can a lot of the players especially on new orleans who may have some first time superbowl jitters, it appears as though i would want to fa in the first part of the game are the saints going to be affected by the bigness of the stage. >> charlie: when you look at manning when he goes to get underneath the center and he starts all of that talking and waving his hands what is that all about. >> so many guys in the nfl basically have begun to figure out a lot of it is total nonsense. you know in baseball the third base coach does in this this and does that. 90% of it means absolutely nothing. it's the same thing with paten. in fact ray louis, the great baltimore line back irer told me i know which part of that is fate. when you play him for the first time you're wide-eyed. he's saying all these colors and numbers and everything and a lot of it so much of it is phony. so that's what johnathan vilma the defensive signal caller of the new orleans saints. he's got a huge job of what paten manning is saying is phony, what's real and what does it mean. that's why manning is so good. his guys know that. the other guys usually don't and he capitalizes. >> charlie: match up from your observation, manning versus breeze. >> well, i mean, manning is more of a veteran player whose had more playoff experience and has been obviously in more big games. you know, and i think it's going to be very hard for the saints to throw something at paten manning that he hasn't seen before. whereas breeze is obviously playing in a game of this magnitude for the nurse time. he's also facing a strange defense. the indianapolis colts are the smallest team in football and the saints arthro to be able to overpower them. wait a minute, what the colts do is run all over the place and run you ragged. they have smaller guys but they have faster guys. that's something that the saints are not really used to seeing. so i think it's going to be how quickly can drew breeze adjust. and one of the things i wrote today in my column on si.com, is this could make for a very illogical hero in the game for the new orleans saints. there's a back up tight end named david thomas who the saints like to use to help block, you know, as a bigger tight end to knock off some of the defensive ends and line backers who rush the passer. and my theory is that david thomas is going to be in this game, going to be catching a lot of balls from drew breeze because he's not going to have a lot of time to throw. so breeze will be looking for the shorter safer stuff and i think that's where guys like david thomas and maybe reggie bush coming out of the back field come in and they could catch a lot of balls on sunday to try to beat th colts. >> charlie: does either team have an advantage in terms of motivation, inspiration, reason to win? >> well, the indianapolis colts i think, i mean paten manning will be 78 -- if he loses this game, he will be 78 years old, you know, warming up to play golf in palm springs one day and this will come to his mind and it will ruin his round of golf i guarantee you if he loses. whereas if the new orleans saints, their motivation is for a city, a region, a state. and you know, drew breeze, charlie, i went to dinner withdrew breeze about a month ago. and he convened some of the biggest business leaders in the new orleans area. it's his little secret group of businessmen who he asks, who he asks on many occasions to give him seed money for projects that haven't been able to get done around the area, schools, hospitals, a cancer center because of katrina. and drew breeze feels this pressure. it's his calling in life. he honestly feels like he has been called. he went to new orleans as a free agent because what he wanted to do was help save this region. it's corny and all that but it's absolutely true. and at dinner this night, he said everybody here let's raise a glass to new orleans. i mean it's something how the -- out of a movie, it sounds ridiculous. that's part of breeze's motivation. there's no doubt that the city of new orleans and that region is riding along with the saints for this game. in fact, i believe that they'll have quite a few more fans in the stadiums sunday night than the colts will. and -- >> charlie: and do you believe that the new orleans coach who is famous for how he leads his team out will have something really unique to say? >> well charlie i wrote in sports illustrated last week about one of the most inspirational pre-game presentations that i've ever witnessed, you know, in my 25 years covering the nfl. sean paten the coach of the saints had every one of the top highlights sports highlights in the united states history, going all the way back to jessie owens and joe louis and mohammed ali and all of that. at the end of it, ronnie lot, the hero 49er who has won four super bowls, he had ronnie lot standing there saying to the guys if i could have just one wish in life, it would be that i could go out one more time just like you guys will tomorrow and try to win a championship. you ve no idea how lucky you are. and you know the players in that meeting afterwards, it was on the saturday night before the just dying to play right then. i mean the worst thing for them is they have like 20 hours bere the game started. but paten is very famous for its motivation whereas the coach of the colts, jail calledwell is a flat liner. like tony th coach who won the super bowl last time they're not going to be mr. fire and brim stone they're going to be here's what you have to do to win and go out in a business-like way. they've won more games in this decade than any team has ever won in the decade of the nfl history. so obviously the flat line motivation works too for the colts. >> charlie: does paten manning say to himself i need to win this one i need two to be considered the greatest quarterback in the national football league. >> you know, paten manning is not one of those, charlie, who is ever going to tell you that history is vitally important to him. but make no mistake about it, he wants to be known as the greatest quarterback ever to play football now. i am of the opinion that we all need to sort of take a chill pill a little bit on proclaiming manning as the best quarterback whoever played for a very simple reason. this is his 12th year in the national football league and if he wins the superbowl, it would be a second championship. does anybody out there remember auto graham who two generations ago, three generations ago almost played ten years of professional football, won seven championships or joe montana who won four. we need to basically allow history to run its course because the nfl is not 19 years old, it's 90 years old. >> charlie: when you look at these two coaches does the fact that called well is a rookie coach make a difference. >> i don't think it does, charlie. he has his roots in the joe paternal school. he's a meantee of joe paternal. so i think nothing surprises him. and i think the team follows his lead the same as it did with dungee. it's the same thing with sean paten. i think the team gets sky high and stays extremely motivated and pound up during a game. i don't think either team has an advantage in that way. i would say the one thing i like about sean paten and what he does, he calls the offensive plays and i think he is excellent. as good as anybody in the game right now at in-game adjustments. when he sees a team doing something to him he figures it out ju like manning does and what he does is he changes things from series to series to account for the defensive changes that he sees. >> charlie: so you've got manning's ability to adapt and the whole inspirational thing going. what about the pass rush of the new orleans saints? >> well the pass work of the saints, charlie, is a weird amalgam of kind of a buddy ryan clone. a guy named greg williams a defensive coordinator of saint. what he likes to do is do something he won't show you. like last week darren sharper had from probably the best pass rushing days in his career just in terms of impact. he had a huge hit on brett farve early in the game against minnesota and he was a constant presence, he was a thorn in the side of the vikings. but you may not see him rush one time in this game because greg williams likes to throw change ups. so my feeling is if you look at the way this team is, i think, you know, the way it happens on sunday with this game is that williams tries to throw different pitches at paten manning. because manning is the biggest student of the game in football. and on the other side of the fence i think a lot depends on how a former undrafted free agent named raheem brock, if he has a play a lot for the injured defensive end, whose got ann cull injury for the colts, it would be brock's job to come in and do what dwight freeny was going to do was to torment drew breeze. >> charlie: if feeny's in the game, you got to keep an additional, you got to guard paten manning that much harder and that gives you one less receiver. >> that's exactly right, charlie. and i wrote about that earlier this week. maurice jones drew of the jackson will jaguars said it is a vital part of this game. because if quite freeny is effective and playing in this game, then the new orleans saints on a normal pattern where they might send out four guys, they'll have to keep in one and only send out three. if it was a third and long and freeny is there and they fear him, instead of sending out five they will send out four. one of sean paten's strength is putting a lot of guys, flooding guys into the secondary and breeze is the most cut -- accurate passer in the league so he has no problem pointing out a guy and hitting him. that's a big factor. >> charlie: here's ten things i say about the superbowl. number nine, i city think the stats say it all about the forecast of this game is as follows. in the last three grains greg williams has coached against manning. the quarterback has completed 71% of his passes, then sacked only once and hit ten times in 12 quarters. the saints are going to have to do better than that. >> no question about it. and that's what greg williams is drilling into his team all week. in essence he's saying if we only do an average job against paten manning and don't force two or three turnovers, we'll be on the losing end on sunday. and so he's drilling into his team, hit paten manning early and often. >> charlie: i assume the model for that is what the giants did to tom brady. >> no question about it. but that's easier said than done because the giants had one of the best defensive lines in recent history. the saints have a good defensive line with a very good defensive tackle in cedrick ellis but it's not to the level of what the giants were. plus charlie, do you know what, the colts know it's coming. and one other thing is when paten manning gets hit, a lot of times, and people will laugh when they envision this but just think of this. here's what you'll see from paten manning on sunday. if he sees a heavy rush, he's going to do what everybody would criticize them you're not macho, you're not a man. he'll do -- duke into the fetal position and fall on to the ground and want to live another day. this is not macho ball it's football and four quarter game. if i get sacked a couple time in the first quarter without really getting hit that's fine don't worry. we'll figure it out and we'll win the game in the second lf. >> charlie: if the colts win, will everybody question caldwell's decision not to take paten out against when they played against the jets. >> here's what will happen. there will be fans in indianapolis, and a friend of mine said his next door anyway who is a huge colts fan because of that game, because they were 14-0 and chose not to play the starters through the whole game, to beat the jets to attempt to go 16-0. and then have the first perfect 19-0 season in the 91 year history of the league, their whole point was why didn't you at least try. >> charlie: you're picking? >> i'm picking the colts 33-26. very simply because in my opinion can hold paten manning down for a series, two series, three series b eventually over the course of 60 minutes, he's going to get you. >> charlie: one last question. if you were going to go, you or sean paten or something else, williams, the defense coach for the new orleans saints, looking for one person who knew best how to stop paten manning, who would it be? >> i'd give the coach of the detroit lions, jim schwartz a call. schwartz was the defensive coordinator of the tennessee tighten for three years and beat paten manning three times, beat the colts three times. and he did it, charlie remember -- you're a big basketball guy. remember the old dean smith four corner offense. >> charlie: indeed. >> jim schwartz's philosophy in essence is bleed the clock as much as possible and put paten manning on the field as little as possible. and just make sure that if he's only on the field for 22, 23 out of the 60 minutes, that you make enough plays and you stop him enough times so that you, your own offense can make enough plays to win. that's what jim schwartz believed. totally taking the air out of the football. and greg williams understands that. he doesn't want paten manning on the field either but i think his attitude is more attack attack attack. >> charlie: everything, much of what i know about the superbowl and much of what i know about the nfl comes from you my friend and i thank you for taking this time with us. >> you're very wise man, charlie. thank you very much. >> charlie: indeed. thank you, peter. back in a moment. stay with us. as the count down to the academy awards continues, we bring you another oscar moment. >> the exciting thing about the movie-making for me is the fact that you're doing something new every picture, you learn something. i'm not trying experimental. that doesn't mean i'm doing something gymnastic in front of the camera, rolling it around or dropping it off the building. i've done that. it's a -- there's just some challenge to overcome and that challenge in this particular thing was just to play the character, to play all the various elements of the character and to have the other actors get all of the elements of their character in there. and it's always fun to watch it unfold. >> charlie: the president of toyota today apologized after the company recently acknowledged defects in several of its most popular vehicles. last month the world's largest automaker recalled cars for faulty pedals. this week they announced investigations into the system of the prius hybrid car. the conference at the company headquarters in japan returned to the company's tradition of making reliable products. >> we are trying to increase our product better. so this kind of procedure is good for the customers. so please believe me, we always customer first is first priority. >> charlie: joining me now from abc news in new york, brian ross. he's been covering toyota's troubles for several months. here's a look at one of his reports about toyota's faulty pedals. it red last nomber. >> charlie, federal safety officials said today the underlying cause of some 2000 so-called run away toyotas remains under active investigations. until today, toyota had solely blamed either the wrong formats or driver error. the government's statement comes as a growing number of toyota ownersor coming forward to insist that floor mats don't explain the mystery. before the tragic accident in this highway outside san diego in august, a luksz 2009 driven by an off duty california highway patrol officer was out of control. >> it's stuck, we're in trouble. there's no brake. >> the messenger called 911 from the back seat. >> we are approaching the intersection. hold on. >> all four people in the lexus died after it hit another car, crashed into only embankment and burst into flames. >> charlie: joining us from ann arbor is jeffrey liker. he's an engineering professor and wrote several books about toyota. i'm pleased to have them both on this broadcast. let me go to you. where is it today. >> deep apologies and bows by the president and ceo of toyota, kept a company in crises. first they blamed floor mats on the floor then it was a sticky gas pedal and then computers and cars had an electronic lift of some sort. on top of that this week they acknowledged their state of the art the future car the prius had another problem. they had defect and they've raised the ire of safety officials here and in japan. >> charlie: what happens next. >> they find a way to solve the problems of the run away cars. they've insisted they've found those problems. many safety analysts are skeptical of that. two congressional hearings, one next week, the one the week after that. and lots of questions about their long hard work that gave them the reputation for quality safety. and now in tatters, they're beginning a new television commercial campaign this sunday. they've hired pr specialists in washington, former republican and democratic press secretaries to get thempast this crises. >> charlie: what damage do you think, profeor, it's done to toyota? >> the damage is probably most important to toyota which is the trust of the public and the trust of their customers and that's something that is not going to be easy to repair in the short run and they're going to have to prove that they deserve that trust and will have to earn it back. >> charlie: what was wrong. this was supposed to be a model automobile company. >> well it's not be been happy, i've been very disappointed by some of things i've seen but not necessarily the sa things that are coming out in the reports i just heard, for example. so when i look at the eors, say, with the sticky pedal which is something that happened six or seven years ago when they designed that, when i look at the carpenter issue that case of the police officer in san diego, that, they clearly attributed to the wrong carpet being put in by a lexus dealer without attaching the carpet down and then that carpet was actually melted on to the pedal. so that was very clear in the cause and effect. in the case of 2000 incidents over ten years, they can't always find the actual cause. so i'm looking over time saying maybe one hour here one hour there, i don't see a whole bunch of errors just because it's come out in the press recently. what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is customer always comes first. >> charlie: brian, when you listen, what do they say is wrong with toyota. >> they say there's a culture that they don't want to fully cooperate with u.s. federal safety regulators. they don't necessarily trust them. we had on the air this week on world news with diane sawyer, an interview with a former toyota lawyer here in the u.s. who says he handled product liability cases and orders come from japan to hide or not disclose certain documents that would help those people who are suing or safety investigators. he was told to conceal that evidence. now they deny that and we asked mr. toyota today at his news conference about that and he said we always try to cooperate 100% from this point forward. but there are questions whether his predecessor led the company down the wrong road, they raced for profits to be number one in the world and perhaps less attention onuality. >> charlie: has there been anything in terms of what decisions have been made in the last couple years because of the economic crises that might have affected this. >> well it's hard to know. they were struggling to keep their profits high, to ride through the recession. they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical of the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really, to hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> charlie: do you feel like that somehow, that there's a case to be made for toyota that's not being made in any way? that somehow they are being accused of something that's not accurate? >> oh yeah, i absolutely believe that. because what i see again is if you go, if you were to go to any manufacturing plant in america, or in the world, you would be amazed by the focus on other -- on quality. the people i talk to in the tech center, they're the best engineers i've ever met and they're always focused on quality. >> charlie: what does this mean for american companies, brian. >> some of the companies are taking advantage of that, offering incentives for toyota dealers. some of the japanese companies as well. i don't think they have a lot to gloat about frankly if you look at all of the reports at the national highway traffic safety administration, almost all companies have problems and y hear bit. it's just in the case of the toyotas, the reports of what they call sudden acceleration or run away cars just took off in monumental numbers after 2002 or 3, you had to use computers to control the gas pedal or throttle. and many do believe there's a glitch or algorithm that's off that they can't replicate. it doesn't happen all the time by any means, it's rare but when it does happen, it can be very dangerous. >> charlie: i hear you saying they haven't pinpointed the problem yet. >> they haven't. they say they can't have that problem. people with experience go in and say i have a different gas pedal than the ones recalled. i don't have those floor mats that's my problem and yet this car took off at 70-80 miles an hour how to you explain it. those reports have been ignored by toyota and excluded by the federal investigators here who kept a very narrow focus on when they looked at these sudden acceleration incidents. >> charlie: professor liker, how do you explain that. >> well first of all, 2000 incidence of acceleration over ten years when a lot of those are probably due to the carpet and other means. i don't think you could explain everything. i don't think when somebody complins you can't investigate the car. maybe they weren't so good at investigating the car. what i've personally been able to see by one of the top engineer in toyota are the actual schematics of that electronic system. what impressed me most was that it was really designed to be fail safe against electromagnetic waves. it has two separate sensors, when you pushed on the pedal. there are two separate computer processors, completely independent. they go back and forth and any time there's a disagreement, the cpu's for example disagree in any way the system shuts down. >> charlie: would you buy a toyota today. >> absolutely. in fact one of my students this morning is saying i'm waiting for the prices to come down because i want to get a toyota. >> just to raise another issue about thr quality and engineers who are very good, toyota made a decision not to have a brake override which is a feature in many other cars. or if there's a conflict between the accelerator and the brake, if you hit the brake, the accelerator, the throttle stops automatically. they don't have that in toyota. they're only now beginning to institute that. many say if you had that you wouldn't have had any of these problems. that i guess was a cost cutting measure. >> charlie: was it? do we know. >> it's hard to know but it's an extra added feature they have in their lexus the more expensive car but not the less expensive cars. >> charlie: when you put the question to them what do they say? why don't you have this in many cars. >> i've gone many times asking that question and the answers are pretty much gobbly gook. >> charlie: professor do you know the answer. >> they have to design the software separately for each car, and why they didn't do it in the past i don't either because it's obviously what they should have done. that's not at the working level here but i wish they had done it and they wish they had done it and i don't have a really good explanation. >> charlie: what do you think will be the financial repercussions for toyota. >> in the short term they're going to be very serious. i think it's going to take a while to build back up their sales so if you lose part on of your sales for a year, we're talking billions of dollars. fortunately they've got the pockets because their policy is to save when times are good. and they have saved a lot. so they can, they're a long term company and they'll get through this. but it's going to hurt their stock price, it will hurt their balance sheet and that's just the way it is. >> charlie: what do we know about the new ceo, brian. >> well he is the grandson of the founder. he is not really being blamed. he inherited the situation that where costs may have been cut and profit's the central focus not quality and he's trying to turn it around. >> charlie: thank you brian, thank you professor liker, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> charlie: we'll be right back. stay with us. omar was born and raised in a small town out side mobile, alabama. his formative years including friday night football game, camp and sophomore president. today at the age of 25, he has become a key figure in a ruthless islamic insurgency dedicated to throwing back the islamic government. he has become a jihadist icon. he's in a campaign that's drawn hundreds of fighters to somalia. and andrea elliot has documented the range and haunting journey he has taken. he's done that in a remarkable piece for "the new york times" magazine it is called jihaddists next door. how did a faller kid in a small town in alabama wind up in al-qaeda. i'm pleased to have andrea elliott back. >> great to be here. >> charlie: tell me the story. it's amazing. >> it begins with his parents. his father came to the united states from damascus in the early 1970's to pursue a college degree. he was searching for a small town and no one in his family had come to the united states. he had a little guidance and heard about this college a couple towns north of alabama. he looked no further. he got there. he was hoping to become a doctor. and he met a local southern baptist girl and they eventually got married. and started a family. and from the start, their two religions coexisted. they were married in a church followed by having a muslim ceremony. so omar and his sister would go to church with his moth on sundays but they lived in really essentially a culturally muslim home which is to say they would leave their shoes at the door. they didn't eat pork. so they had both religions really in their liv from day one. that said, omar did consider himself a christian. he walked to the front of his southern baptist church at the age of six tobe baptized. and remained christian until his early teens. >> charlie: what happened then? >> this is a kid who was strikingly curious. he has this kind of insatiable curiosity. he would ask endless questions. there are all these great stories about teachers just getting bored with his questions. he felt frustrated by this small alabama town. and his curiosity and all these questions, it was as if he was searching for answers and couldn't find them. he certainly could not find them in christianity. he found christianity to be intellectually indefensible. he really struggled with the notion of the trinity, for instance. he couldn't explain to himself why, how god could have a son. so he was grappling in a very witty manner with these questions when a lot of his trends were hanging out and not second guessing anything. his friend remembers this when they were 13 or 14 sitting around a bon fire and omar was saying this doesn't make sense to me, i can't accepted it. so islam appeals to him first really on an intellectual basis. and it seems to present to him a kind of belief system that meshed with the way he saw the world. >> charlie: then he went to damascus and saw a certain order that he liked. >> this was a life changing trip. syria had really remained in the distance during his childhood and so he went a couple times. and the third time he went, he was 15 and at that point, he was easily the most popular kid in his class. he was dating one of the pretty just girls in the school. he was about to be elected class president. he was a star student in the gift student's program living a dreamy adolescence. he goes to syria and i think what happened a few years prior to this is that his older sister moved out. she couldn't bear her father's rules. her father while very loving to his children was strict as was their mother. so she left and omar felt very alone. and was sort of searching for i think a kind of replacement sibling in a sense. and this i actually really got a good sense from s girlfriend at the time who talked to him when he was in sirius, the first thing she noticed she tracks his converse through his introduction or reintroduction to his syrian heritage. so he's there and he calls back to alabama saying the culture is so incredible. he was very taken with the sort of social order of things. there was a reliability to it. and as he put it to her a co-ceasiveness of brother hood that felt with his cousins. even these photographs from of from that trip he has parted with his look of polish shirts and baggie jeans he's wearing prayer cams and cotton tunics. it's a cultural thing that happens first and then he comes back and is really at that point starting to convert islam. and after 9/11 he became a part of this movement that really embraces this very literal reading of the quran and follows a really strict series of edicts. he would only eat with his right hand and he swore -- wore his pants above his ankle and he wouldn't pose for photographs. a different practice then his father being very devout president of a local mosque trying to be mainstream american life. his son wearing a long reasonable and turban, they were very different. so by the time he gets to toronto, one of the things that he was totally convinced by in this salfi way of life was that he couldn't be politically engaged. he had to denounce terrorism and militancy because they were considered unhuhful. that was about really just focusing on the practice. in other words, you're not going to make the world a better place by takinup arms. you're only going to make the world a better place by becoming a better muslim. the focus was on all these rules. when he got to toronto being an american in toronto sort of opened him up to a target of all of these comments about the occupations in iraq. and he experienced a political awakening and he through that process came to embrace this theological orientation. by the time he gets to egypt, he is open to jihad. he's open to really finding a kind of greater purpose in his life. and that is how he sees it. and looking for action, really in that respect. and he meets daniel maldonado who is this american in his late 20's from new hampshire who also moved to egypt and is on the same internet forum and they become friends. they go to somalia together. >> charlie: and then what happens? >> when oma gets to somalia, he's left his wife and baby daughter in egypt. his mother had been visiting at the time. he told her he was going to look for a job. so he's left them in the dark. when he gets to somalia he calls home and from the beginning he's not telling them fully what's going on. he cess he's there to visit his wife, her family. what i can say for sure by the end of 2006 he has enlisted with the shebab which means youth. and it's this militant group that is increasingly linked to al-qaeda. and he starts, really he lands with this 22 year old who has no military training. and what's interesting to me is that the same things that kind of evated him in high school, that made him this really popular figure, his charisma, his edginess what some of his friends would call his effortless cool, seemed to have served him with the shebab also. >> charlie: he rose to leadership. >> he rose to leadership position. it's hard to say exactly what that position is but i've been able to piece together an idea of it which is that he has, after completing training, he caught the notice of some of his superiors because he brought a skill set, he was computer savvy and smart and very very dedicated to the cause. so they end up training him further and he comes to lead military strikes in the field, according to somalia and american law enforcement officials. he is plotting strategy with al-qaeda militants. he is having a say in the shebab's political and recruitment strategy. but almost as powerful is this symbolic role that he comes to have which he is presented through their propaganda. there are videos of this icon in the making. it's the same things you saw in high school. he has this kind of, in the videos he walks around with his shirt sleeves rolled up and he's sort of casual and relaxed and patrolling in the camps. and he's shown running in slow motion holding a rifle with an amateurish jihadist rap song playing. they're presenting him as a revolutionary k-like figure in an attempt to recruit more people. >> charlie: and you assume this is something he enjoys and wants to do. >> yes. >> charlie: let's look at some of these clips. the first one is going by e name of abu and sural which means the american. >> the american. >> charlie: herit is. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> charlie: this is an interview you did in al jazeera awe. >> yes in 2007. >> charlie: where is he now. >> one would presume he's in somalia. no one knows exactly. i've talked to somalia and american law enforcement officials have interviewed people who fought with him and tracked movement. i've also talked to people who have fought with him who defected to the government side. and so what i can tell you about his life there is that he seems to move around a lot. heas a role in the camps. he is a kind of charismatic figure to other recruits. it's important to also put this in the context of this sort o story of american radicalization in this country. because he is one of more than 20 americans who have gone to this movement. and the majority of them are -- >> charlie: the shebab. >> the shebab. and they're mostly americans for the minneapolis area. and so they, a lot of them were driven by nationalism actually because they were motivated to go after ethiopia invaded somalia in 2006. he went there as part of a global jihad. so his ideology, plenty of the smallian americans of indianapolis are also in agreement with this ideology but it's a global cause. the idea is that, you know, very much in keeping with al-qaeda's ideology, to bring about an islamic world order. and what's so interesting at the same time is that whahink people are, find so jarring about omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: people you can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because he's really straddling the divide. and not just him but also a lot of these guys from minneapolis. they get to somalia and they continue to maintain contact with their friends and family via face book, via cell phones, via e-mail. this ia generation that has come of age with the internet. so they remain connected to this wider modern world while at the same time embracing this vision of utopia that goes back centuries. and while a also seeing america as the enemy. and so it's the juxtaposition of those two things that i think people find so alarming especially with hamami because he could be the kid next door. for a lot of people who grew up with him he is the kid next door. so he brings this home. >> charlie: i was going to ask you two things that are interest beyond his story. one is how you found this story which we'll come to in a moment. the other is what is the lesson from the story which is partly that. >> yes. i think a couple things about this. we've had this sort of space of cases over the last year. >> charlie: exactly. >> and that has caused a kind of new reckoning with the subject in this country. and i think what you see is people are backing away from this notion that militancy is europe's problem. because clearly it has found its way here. that said, you have to keep in mind there are a lot of debates about what this number of cases really represent. does it represent an up kick in activity or does it represent a just greater surveillance by law enforcement that therefore exmost a constant amount of activity all along. this is really a tiny fraction of the muslim community in this country that these men represent. but that said, the case raises question. and i think that what's interesting about them is you see when you look at the suspects in this country, people like hamami and you compare them to the militants in europe, you see there's a range of socio-economic background and also of religious piety. so you can't look at poverty as a predictor of this. there was a long standing myth that is really now seen that poverty breeds terrorism. i think when you talk to most established terrorism analysts agree that you can't experience this, you can't study this as a religious phenomenon or as the product over social alienation. it's a movement with religious and political underpinnings which is complicated. >> charlie: it used to be said that one of the things we have that in order to meet the challenge of terrorism, what you had to do was in a sense make sure that people weren't radicalized at a younger age. what is contemporary thinking about. >> how to fight it, how to prevent it. very very hard. i think that that's precisely the problem or that's precisely the challenge i should say because there are no clear predictors of this. what you do see are some patterns. you see that these young men, you can almost liken them to kids who end up joining a can you tell or a gang or who lose themself to drugs. they don't see it that way, they see this as a higher calling. but they are looking for a higher calling. they are contrary to popular perception, a lot of them are motivateand are deeply prild. when they see this religious piety they tend to be bonded by this politically driven anger. >> charlie: this is a propaganda video where al appears without a mask revealing his face as he makes his case for recruiting future fighters. >> his name was caco. he was a beautiful brother. we hope that -- for his family and we want -- his family that he was one of the best brothers here. and there's sincerity could be seen even on his face. and we need more like hem. so if you can encourage more of your children and more of your neighbors to send people like him to jihad, it would be a great asset. >> charlie: this video is from? >> well it came out in march of last year but that particular scene supposedly was shot in july 2008, july 15th which is this am bush which senior intelligence officials have said it actually happened. it was captured in this video. right there he's kind of calling attention to one of his fallen soldiers who he refers to as a martyr. and i think it's intended to try to recruit others from the west to this cause. the promise is victory or martyrdom. you're victorious or you're martyrdommed and end up in the after life with great reward. you can't go wrong and that's the message they're putting out. >> charlie: you tried to reach him. >> i did. >> charlie: were you successful. >> yes, i was. >> charlie: direct e-mail or through another party. >> i submitted questions through an intermediary. >> charlie: and he would answer them. >> i got an answer. >> charlie: you seem hesitant to talk about this. are you. >> i can't say too much about it. >> charlie: okay much why not? >> because i need to protect my source. >> charlie: has he read the article? >> he represents a new generation, a new jihad. they are totally connected to the world. this is a group of men who have been raised using the internet. and this is what i found in the minneapolis group. they read the news, they're on-line. i would be surprised if he hadn't seen this. >> charlie: thank you. >> thank you. >> charlie: the jihaddists next door, how did a popular kid in alabama wind up connected to al-qaeda. andrea elliott. this is the january 31st new york times magazine, i'm sure you can see it on-line as well. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic )
MiamiFloridaUnited-statesNew-yorkMontanaCaco00EthiopiaJapanAlabamaNew-hampshireDamascus >> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight we begin with a preview of the superbowl with sports illustrate's peter king. >> the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. >> charlie: then we look at troubles with toyota with brian ross at abc and professor jeffrey liker from the university of michigan. >> they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical to the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is and they really believe customer always comes first. >> charlie: andrea elliot grew up in alabama and then became a major terrorist in somalia. >> what i think people find so jarring with omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing, who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because these really straddling the divide. >> charlie: the sport bowl with peter king toyota with brian ross and jeff liker and andrea elliot about the journey of one man from alabama to somalia, next. if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic ) captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: the 44th superbowl will be played this sunday in miami, florida. it is a match between two of the most explosive offenses in the nfl. paten manning will seek a second title in the last four years. new orleans off the heels of the victory of brett farve. they rely on their star quarterback drew breeze. this game marks the first time that two number one seeds will meet for the title since 1993. joining me now from ft. lauderdale our guy, peter king. he is as you know a senior writer for sports illustrated and widely considered one of the most thoughtful and best informed sources covering the nfl. so i'm pleased to have him back on this broadcast. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. great to be with you. >> charlie: here's where i want to start. five questions, the answers to which will determine who wins the superbowl. >> well, i'll tell you this, charlie, to me the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. because in the last 32 minutes of the last two games, the two play off games the colts have out scored the opposition 41-0. it's all because paten manning figures it out in the first quarter, second quarter and after that he's unstoppable. that's the biggest factor in the game. there's a bunch of other little subplots is dwight freely the star quarterbacker going to be healthy, is drew breeze protected enough so that the saints can be a powerful offensive team. can a lot of the players especially on new orleans who may have some first time superbowl jitters, it appears as though i would want to fa in the first part of the game are the saints going to be affected by the bigness of the stage. >> charlie: when you look at manning when he goes to get underneath the center and he starts all of that talking and waving his hands what is that all about. >> so many guys in the nfl basically have begun to figure out a lot of it is total nonsense. you know in baseball the third base coach does in this this and does that. 90% of it means absolutely nothing. it's the same thing with paten. in fact ray louis, the great baltimore line back irer told me i know which part of that is fate. when you play him for the first time you're wide-eyed. he's saying all these colors and numbers and everything and a lot of it so much of it is phony. so that's what johnathan vilma the defensive signal caller of the new orleans saints. he's got a huge job of what paten manning is saying is phony, what's real and what does it mean. that's why manning is so good. his guys know that. the other guys usually don't and he capitalizes. >> charlie: match up from your observation, manning versus breeze. >> well, i mean, manning is more of a veteran player whose had more playoff experience and has been obviously in more big games. you know, and i think it's going to be very hard for the saints to throw something at paten manning that he hasn't seen before. whereas breeze is obviously playing in a game of this magnitude for the nurse time. he's also facing a strange defense. the indianapolis colts are the smallest team in football and the saints arthro to be able to overpower them. wait a minute, what the colts do is run all over the place and run you ragged. they have smaller guys but they have faster guys. that's something that the saints are not really used to seeing. so i think it's going to be how quickly can drew breeze adjust. and one of the things i wrote today in my column on si.com, is this could make for a very illogical hero in the game for the new orleans saints. there's a back up tight end named david thomas who the saints like to use to help block, you know, as a bigger tight end to knock off some of the defensive ends and line backers who rush the passer. and my theory is that david thomas is going to be in this game, going to be catching a lot of balls from drew breeze because he's not going to have a lot of time to throw. so breeze will be looking for the shorter safer stuff and i think that's where guys like david thomas and maybe reggie bush coming out of the back field come in and they could catch a lot of balls on sunday to try to beat the colts. >> charlie: does either team have an advantage in terms of motivation, inspiration, reason to win? >> well, the indianapolis colts i think, i mean paten manning will be 78 -- if he loses this game, he will be 78 years old, you know, warming up to play golf in palm springs one day and this will come to his mind and it will ruin his round of golf i guarantee you if he loses. whereas if the new orleans saints, their motivation is for a city, a region, a state. and you know, drew breeze, charlie, i went to dinner withdrew breeze about a month ago. and he convened some of the biggest business leaders in the new orleans area. it's his little secret group of businessmen who he asks, who he asks on many occasions to give him seed money for projects that haven't been able to get done around the area, schools, hospitals, a cancer center because of katrina. and drew breeze feels this pressure. it's his calling in life. he honestly feels like he has been called. he went to new orleans as a free agent because what he wanted to do was help save this region. it's corny and all that but it's absolutely true. and at dinner this night, he said everybody here let's raise a glass to new orleans. i mean it's something how the -- out of a movie, it sounds ridiculous. that's part of breeze's motivation. there's no doubt that the city of new orleans and that region is riding along with the saints for this game. in fact, i believe that they'll have quite a few more fans in the stadiums sunday night than the colts will. and -- >> charlie: and do you believe that the new orleans coach who is famous for how he leads his team out will have something really unique to say? >> well charlie i wrote in sports illustrated last week about one of the most inspirational pre-game presentations that i've ever witnessed, you know, in my 25 years covering the nfl. sean paten the coach of the saints had every one of the top highlights sports highlights in the united states history, going all the way back to jessie owens and joe louis and mohammed ali and all of that. at the end of it, ronnie lot, the hero 49er who has won four super bowls, he had ronnie lot standing there saying to the guys if i could have just one wish in my life, it would be that i could go out one more time just like you guys will tomorrow and try to win a championship. you have no idea how lucky you are. and you know the players in that meeting afterwards, it was on the saturday night before the championship game, they were just dying to play right then. i mean the worst thing for them is they have like 20 hours before the game started. but paten is very famous for its motivation whereas the coach of the colts, jail calledwell is a flat liner. like tony th coach who won the super bowl last time they're not going to be mr. fire and brim stone they're going to be here's what you have to do to win and go out in a business-like way. they've won more games in this decade than any team has ever won in the decade of the nfl history. so obviously the flat line motivation works too for the colts. >> charlie: does paten manning say to himself i need to win this one i need two to be considered the greatest quarterback in the national football league. >> you know, paten manning is not one of those, charlie, who is ever going to tell you that history is vitally important to him. but make no mistake about it, he wants to be known as the greatest quarterback ever to play football now. i am of the opinion that we all need to sort of take a chill pill a little bit on proclaiming manning as the best quarterback whoever played for a very simple reason. this is his 12th year in the national football league and if he wins the superbowl, it would be a second championship. does anybody out there remember auto graham who two generations ago, three generations ago almost played ten years of professional football, won seven championships or joe montana who won four. we need to basically allow history to run its course because the nfl is not 19 years old, it's 90 years old. >> charlie: when you look at these two coaches does the fact that called well is a rookie coach make a difference. >> i don't think it does, charlie. he has his roots in the joe paternal school. he's a meantee of joe paternal. so i think nothing surprises him. and i think the team follows his lead the same as it did with dungee. it's the same thing with sean paten. i think the team gets sky high and stays extremely motivated and pound up during a game. i don't think either team has an advantage in that way. i would say the one thing i like about sean paten and what he does, he calls the offensive plays and i think he is excellent. as good as anybody in the game right now at in-game adjustments. when he sees a team doing something to him he figures it out just like manning does and what he does is he changes things from series to series to account for the defensive changes that he sees. >> charlie: so you've got manning's ability to adapt and the whole inspirational thing going. what about the pass rush of the new orleans saints? >> well the pass work of the saints, charlie, is a weird amalgam of kind of a buddy ryan clone. a guy named greg williams a defensive coordinator of saint. what he likes to do is do something he won't show you. like last week darren sharper had from probably the best pass rushing days in his career just in terms of impact. he had a huge hit on brett farve early in the game against minnesota and he was a constant presence, he was a thorn in the side of the vikings. but you may not see him rush one time in this game because greg williams likes to throw change ups. so my feeling is if you look at the way this team is, i think, you know, the way it happens on sunday with this game is that williams tries to throw different pitches at paten manning. because manning is the biggest student of the game in football. and on the other side of the fence i think a lot depends on how a former undrafted free agent named raheem brock, if he has a play a lot for the injured defensive end, whose got ann cull injury for the colts, it would be brock's job to come in and do what dwight freeny was going to do was to torment drew breeze. >> charlie: if feeny's in the game, you got to keep an additional, you got to guard paten manning that much harder and that gives you one less receiver. >> that's exactly right, charlie. and i wrote about that earlier this week. maurice jones drew of the jackson will jaguars said it is a vital part of this game. because if quite freeny is effective and playing in this game, then the new orleans saints on a normal pattern where they might send out four guys, they'll have to keep in one and only send out three. if it was a third and long and freeny is there and they fear him, instead of sending out five they will send out four. one of sean paten's strength is putting a lot of guys, flooding guys into the secondary and breeze is the most cut -- accurate passer in the league so he has no problem pointing out a guy and hitting him. that's a big factor. >> charlie: here's ten things i say about the superbowl. number nine, i city think the stats say it all about the forecast of this game is as follows. in the last three grains greg williams has coached against manning. the quarterback has completed 71% of his passes, then sacked only once and hit ten times in 12 quarters. the saints are going to have to do better than that. >> no question about it. and that's what greg williams is drilling into his team all week. in essence he's saying if we only do an average job against paten manning and don't force two or three turnovers, we'll be on the losing end on sunday. and so he's drilling into his team, hit paten manning early and often. >> charlie: i assume the model for that is what the giants did to tom brady. >> no question about it. but that's easier said than done because the giants had one of the best defensive lines in recent history. the saints have a good defensive line with a very good defensive tackle in cedrick ellis but it's not to the level of what the giants were. plus charlie, do you know what, the colts know it's coming. and one other thing is when paten manning gets hit, a lot of times, and people will laugh when they envision this but just think of this. here's what you'll see from paten manning on sunday. if he sees a heavy rush, he's going to do what everybody would criticize them you're not macho, you're not a man. he'll do -- duke into the fetal position and fall on to the ground and want to live another day. this is not macho ball it's football and four quarter game. if i get sacked a couple time in the first quarter without really getting hit that's fine don't worry. we'll figure it out and we'll win the game in the second half. >> charlie: if the colts win, will everybody question caldwell's decision not to take paten out against when they played against the jets. >> here's what will happen. there will be fans in indianapolis, and a friend of mine said his next door anyway who is a huge colts fan because of that game, because they were 14-0 and chose not to play the starters through the whole game, to beat the jets to attempt to go 16-0. and then have the first perfect 19-0 season in the 91 year history of the league, their whole point was why didn't you at least try. >> charlie: you're picking? >> i'm picking the colts 33-26. very simply because in my opinion can hold paten manning down for a series, two series, three series but eventually over the course of 60 minutes, he's going to get you. >> charlie: one last question. if you were going to go, you or sean paten or something else, williams, the defense coach for the new orleans saints, looking for one person who knew best how to stop paten manning, who would it be? >> i'd give the coach of the detroit lions, jim schwartz a call. schwartz was the defensive coordinator of the tennessee tighten for three years and beat paten manning three times, beat the colts three times. and he did it, charlie remember -- you're a big basketball guy. remember the old dean smith four corner offense. >> charlie: indeed. >> jim schwartz's philosophy in essence is bleed the clock as much as possible and put paten manning on the field as little as possible. and just make sure that if he's only on the field for 22, 23 out of the 60 minutes, that you make enough plays and you stop him enough times so that you, your own offense can make enough plays to win. that's what jim schwartz believed. totally taking the air out of the football. and greg williams understands that. he doesn't want paten manning on the field either but i think his attitude is more attack attack attack. >> charlie: everything, much of what i know about the superbowl and much of what i know about the nfl comes from you my friend and i thank you for taking this time with us. >> you're very wise man, charlie. thank you very much. >> charlie: indeed. thank you, peter. back in a moment. stay with us. as the count down to the academy awards continues, we bring you another oscar moment. >> the exciting thing about the movie-making for me is the fact that you're doing something new every picture, you learn something. i'm not trying experimental. that doesn't mean i'm doing something gymnastic in front of the camera, rolling it around or dropping it off the building. i've done that. it's a -- there's just some challenge to overcome and that challenge in this particular thing was just to play the character, to play all the various elements of the character and to have the other actors get all of the elements of their character in there. and it's always fun to watch it unfold. >> charlie: the president of toyota today apologized after the company recently acknowledged defects in several of its most popular vehicles. last month the world's largest automaker recalled cars for faulty pedals. this week they announced investigations into the system of the prius hybrid car. the conference at the company headquarters in japan returned to the company's tradition of making reliable products. >> we are trying to increase our product better. so this kind of procedure is good for the customers. so please believe me, we always customer first is first priority. >> charlie: joining me now from abc news in new york, brian ross. he's been covering toyota's troubles for several months. here's a look at one of his reports about toyota's faulty pedals. it aired last november. >> charlie, federal safety officials said today the underlying cause of some 2000 so-called run away toyotas remains under active investigations. until today, toyota had solely blamed either the wrong formats or driver error. the government's statement comes as a growing number of toyota ownersor coming forward to insist that floor mats don't explain the mystery. before the tragic accident in this highway outside san diego in august, a luksz 2009 driven by an off duty california highway patrol officer was out of control. >> it's stuck, we're in trouble. there's no brake. >> the messenger called 911 from the back seat. >> we are approaching the intersection. hold on. >> all four people in the lexus died after it hit another car, crashed into only embankment and burst into flames. >> charlie: joining us from ann arbor is jeffrey liker. he's an engineering professor and wrote several books about toyota. i'm pleased to have them both on this broadcast. let me go to you. where is it today. >> deep apologies and bows by the president and ceo of toyota, kept a company in crises. first they blamed floor mats on the floor then it was a sticky gas pedal and then computers and cars had an electronic lift of some sort. on top of that this week they acknowledged their state of the art the future car the prius had another problem. they had defect and they've raised the ire of safety officials here and in japan. >> charlie: what happens next. >> they find a way to solve the problems of the run away cars. they've insisted they've found those problems. many safety analysts are skeptical of that. two congressional hearings, one next week, the one the week after that. and lots of questions about their long hard work that gave them the reputation for quality safety. and now in tatters, they're beginning a new television commercial campaign this sunday. they've hired pr specialists in washington, former republican and democratic press secretaries to get them past this crises. >> charlie: what damage do you think, professor, it's done to toyota? >> the damage is probably most important to toyota which is the trust of the public and the trust of their customers and that's something that is not going to be easy to repair in the short run and they're going to have to prove that they deserve that trust and will have to earn it back. >> charlie: what was wrong. this was supposed to be a model automobile company. >> well it's not be been happy, i've been very disappointed by some of things i've seen but not necessarily the same things that are coming out in the reports i just heard, for example. so when i look at the errors, say, with the sticky pedal which is something that happened six or seven years ago when they designed that, when i look at the carpenter issue that case of the police officer in san diego, that, they clearly attributed to the wrong carpet being put in by a lexus dealer without attaching the carpet down and then that carpet was actually melted on to the pedal. so that was very clear in the cause and effect. in the case of 2000 incidents over ten years, they can't always find the actual cause. so i'm looking over time saying maybe one hour here one hour there, i don't see a whole bunch of errors just because it's come out in the press recently. what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is customer always comes first. >> charlie: brian, when you listen, what do they say is wrong with toyota. >> they say there's a culture that they don't want to fully cooperate with u.s. federal safety regulators. they don't necessarily trust them. we had on the air this week on world news with diane sawyer, an interview with a former toyota lawyer here in the u.s. who says he handled product liability cases and orders come from japan to hide or not disclose certain documents that would help those people who are suing or safety investigators. he was told to conceal that evidence. now they deny that and we asked mr. toyota today at his news conference about that and he said we always try to cooperate 100% from this point forward. but there are questions whether his predecessor led the company down the wrong road, they raced for profits to be number one in the world and perhaps less attention on quality. >> charlie: has there been anything in terms of what decisions have been made in the last couple years because of the economic crises that might have affected this. >> well it's hard to know. they were struggling to keep their profits high, to ride through the recession. they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical of the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really, to hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> charlie: do you feel like that somehow, that there's a case to be made for toyota that's not being made in any way? that somehow they are being accused of something that's not accurate? >> oh yeah, i absolutely believe that. because what i see again is if you go, if you were to go to any manufacturing plant in america, or in the world, you would be amazed by the focus on other -- on quality. the people i talk to in the tech center, they're the best engineers i've ever met and they're always focused on quality. >> charlie: what does this mean for american companies, brian. >> some of the companies are taking advantage of that, offering incentives for toyota dealers. some of the japanese companies as well. i don't think they have a lot to gloat about frankly if you look at all of the reports at the national highway traffic safety administration, almost all companies have problems and you hear bit. it's just in the case of the toyotas, the reports of what they call sudden acceleration or run away cars just took off in monumental numbers after 2002 or 3, you had to use computers to control the gas pedal or throttle. and many do believe there's a glitch orlgorithm that's off that they can't replicate. it doesn't happen all the time by any means, it's rare but when it does happen, it can be very dangerous. >> charlie: i hear you saying they haven't pinpointed the problem yet. >> they haven't. they say they can't have that problem. people with experience go in and say i have a different gas pedal than the ones recalled. i don't have those floor mats that's my problem and yet this car took off at 70-80 miles an hour how to you explain it. those reports have been ignored by toyota and excluded by the federal investigators here who kept a very narrow focus on when they looked at these sudden acceleration incidents. >> charlie: professor liker, how do you explain that. >> well first of all, 2000 incidence of acceleration over ten years when a lot of those are probably due to the carpet and other means. i don't think you could explain everything. i don't think when somebody complins you can't investigate the car. maybe they weren't so good at investigating the car. what i've personally been able to see by one of the top engineer in toyota are the actual schematics of that electronic system. what impressed me most was that it was really designed to be fail safe against electromagnetic waves. it has two separate sensors, when you pushed on the pedal. there are two separate computer processors, completely independent. they go back and forth and any time there's a disagreement, the cpu's for example disagree in any way the system shuts down. >> charlie: would you buy a toyota today. >> absolutely. in fact one of my students this morning is saying i'm waiting for the prices to come down because i want to get a toyota. >> just to raise another issue about their quality and engineers who are very good, toyota made a decision not to have a brake override which is a feature in many other cars. or if there's a conflict between the accelerator and the brake, if you hit the brake, the accelerator, the throttle stops automatically. they don't have that in toyota. they're only now beginning to institute that. many say if you had that you wouldn't have had any of these problems. that i guess was a cost cutting measure. >> charlie: was it? do we know. >> it's hard to know but it's an extra added feature they have in their lexus the more expensive car but not the less expensive cars. >> charlie: when you put the question to them what do they say? why don't you have this in many cars. >> i've gone many times asking that question and the answers are pretty much gobbly gook. >> charlie: professor do you know the answer. >> they have to design the software separately for each car, and why they didn't do it in the past i don't either because it's obviously what they should have done. that's not at the working level here but i wish they had done it and they wish they had done it and i don't have a really good explanation. >> charlie: what do you think will be the financial repercussions for toyota. >> in the short term they're going to be very serious. i think it's going to take a while to build back up their sales so if you lose part on of your sales for a year, we're talking billions of dollars. fortunately they've got the pockets because their policy is to save when times are good. and they have saved a lot. so they can, they're a long term company and they'll get through this. but it's going to hurt their stock price, it will hurt their balance sheet and that's just the way it is. >> charlie: what do we know about the new ceo, brian. >> well he is the grandson of the founder. he is not really being blamed. he inherited the situation that where costs may have been cut and profit's the central focus not quality and he's trying to turn it around. >> charlie: thank you brian, thank you professor liker, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> charlie: we'll be right back. stay with us. omar was born and raised in a small town out side mobile, alabama. his formative years including friday night football game, camp and sophomore president. today at the age of 25, he has become a key figure in a ruthless islamic insurgency dedicated to throwing back the islamic government. he has become a jihadist icon. he's in a campaign that's drawn hundreds of fighters to somalia. and andrea elliot has documented the strange and haunting journey he has taken. he's done that in a remarkable piece for "the new york times" magazine it is called jihaddists next door. how did a fall her kid in a small town in alabama wind up in al-qaeda. i'm pleased to have andrea elliott back. >> great to be here. >> charlie: tell me the story. it's amazing. >> it begins with his parents. his father came to the united states from damascus in the early 1970's to pursue a college degree. he was searching for a small town and no one in his family had come to the united states. he had a little guidance and heard about this college a couple towns north of alabama. he looked no further. he got there. he was hoping to become a doctor. and he met a local southern baptist girl and they eventually got married. and started a family. and from the start, their two religions coexisted. they were married in a church followed by having a muslim ceremony. so omar and his sister would go to church with his mother on sundays but they lived in really essentially a culturally muslim home which is to say they would leave their shoes at the door. they didn't eat pork. so they had both religions really in their lives from day one. that said, omar did consider himself a christian. he walked to the front of his southern baptist church at the age of six to be baptized. and remained christian until his early teens. >> charlie: what happened then? >> this is a kid who was strikingly curious. he has this kind of insatiable curiosity. he would ask endless questions. there are all these great stories about teachers just getting bored with his questions. he felt frustrated by this small alabama town. and his curiosity and all these questions, it was as if he was searching for answers and couldn't find them. he certainly could not find them in christianity. he found christianity to be intellectually indefensible. he really struggled with the notion of the trinity, for instance. he couldn't explain to himself why, how god could have a son. so he was grappling in a very witty manner with these questions when a lot of his trends were hanging out and not second guessing anything. his friend remembers this when they were 13 or 14 sitting around a bon fire and omar was saying this doesn't make sense to me, i can't accepted it. so islam appeals to him first really on an intellectual basis. and it seems to present to him a kind of belief system that meshed with the way he saw the world. >> charlie: then he went to damascus and saw a certain order that he liked. >> this was a life changing trip. syria had really remained in the distance during his childhood and so he went a couple times. and the third time he went, he was 15 and at that point, he was easily the most popular kid in his class. he was dating one of the pretty just girls in the school. he was about to be elected class president. he was a star student in the gift student's program living a dreamy adolescence. he goes to syria and i think what happened a few years prior to this is that his older sister moved out. she couldn't bear her father's rules. her father while very loving to his children was strict as was their mother. so she left and omar felt very alone. and was sort of searching for i think a kind of replacement sibling in a sense. and this i actually really got a good sense from his girlfriend at the time who talked to him when he was in sirius, the first thing she noticed she tracks his converse through his introduction or reintroduction to his syrian heritage. so he's there and he calls back to alabama saying the culture is so incredible. he was very taken with the sort of social order of things. there was a reliability to it. and as he put it to her a co-ceasiveness of brother hood that felt with his cousins. even these photographs from of from that trip he has parted with his look of polish shirts and baggie jeans he's wearing prayer cams and cotton tunics. it's a cultural thing that happens first and then he comes back and is really at that point starting to convert to islam. and after 9/11 he became a part of this movement that really embraces this very literal reading of the quran and follows a really strict series of edicts. he would only eat with his right hand and he swore -- wore his pants above his ankle and he wouldn't pose for photographs. a different practice then his father being very devout president of a local mosque trying to be mainstream american life. his son wearing a long reasonable and turban, they were very different. so by the time he gets to toronto, one of the things that he was totally convinced by in this salfi way of life was that he couldn't be politically engaged. he had to denounce terrorism and militancy because they were considered unhuhful. that was about really just focusing on the practice. in other words, you're not going to make the world a better place by taking up arms. you're only going to make the world a better place by becoming a better muslim. the focus was on all these rules. when he got to toronto being an american in toronto sort of opened him up to a target of all of these comments about the occupations in iraq. and he experienced a political awakening and he through that process came to embrace this theological orientation. by the time he gets to egypt, he is open to jihad. he's open to really finding a kind of greater purpose in his life. and that is how he sees it. and looking for action, really in that respect. and he meets daniel maldonado who is this american in his late 20's from new hampshire who also moved to egypt and is on the same internet forum and they become friends. they go to somalia together. >> charlie: and then what happens? >> when omar gets to somalia, he's left his wife and baby daughter in egypt. his mother had been visiting at the time. he told her he was going to look for a job. so he's left them in the dark. when he gets to somalia he calls home and from the beginning he's not telling them fully what's going on. he cess he's there to visit his wife, her family. what i can say for sure by the end of 2006 he has enlisted with the shebab which means youth. and it's this militant group that is increasingly linked to al-qaeda. and he starts, really he lands with this 22 year old who has no military training. and what's interesting to me is that the same things that kind of elevated him in high school, that made him this really popular figure, his charisma, his edginess what some of his friends would call his effortless cool, seemed to have served him with the shebab also. >> charlie: he rose to leadership. >> he rose to leadership position. it's hard to say exactly what that position is but i've been able to piece together an idea of it which is that he has, after completing training, he caught the notice of some of his superiors because he brought a skill set, he was computer savvy and smart and very very dedicated to the cause. so they end up training him further and he comes to lead military strikes in the field, according to somalia and american law enforcement officials. he is plotting strategy with al-qaeda militants. he is having a say in the shebab's political and recruitment strategy. but almost as powerful is this symbolic role that he comes to have which he is presented through their propaganda. there are videos of this icon in the making. it's the same things you saw in high school. he has this kind of, in the videos he walks around with his shirt sleeves rolled up and he's sort of casual and relaxed and patrolling in the camps. and he's shown running in slow motion holding a rifle with an amateurish jihadist rap song playing. they're presenting him as a revolutionary k-like figure in an attempt to recruit more people. >> charlie: and you assume this is something he enjoys and wants to do. >> yes. >> charlie: let's look at some of these clips. the first one is going by the name of abu and sural which means the american. >> the american. >> charlie: here it is. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> charlie: this is an interview you did in al jazeera awe. >> yes in 2007. >> charlie: where is he now. >> one would presume he's in somalia. no one knows exactly. i've talked to somalia and american law enforcement officials have interviewed people who fought with him and tracked movement. i've also talked to people who have fought with him who defected to the government side. and so what i can tell you about his life there is that he seems to move around a lot. he has a role in the camps. he is a kind of charismatic figure to other recruits. it's important to also put this in the context of this sort of story of american radicalization in this country. because he is one of more than 20 americans who have gone to this movement. and the majority of them are -- >> charlie: the shebab. >> the shebab. and they're mostly americans for the minneapolis area. and so they, a lot of them were driven by nationalism actually because they were motivated to go after ethiopia invaded somalia in 2006. he went there as part of a global jihad. so his ideology, plenty of the smallian americans of indianapolis are also in agreement with this ideology but it's a global cause. the idea is that, you know, very much in keeping with al-qaeda's ideology, to bring about an islamic world order. and what's so interesting at the same time is that what i think people are, find so jarring about omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: people you can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because he's really straddling the divide. and not just him but also a lot of these guys from minneapolis. they get to somalia and they continue to maintain contact with their friends and family via face book, via cell phones, via e-mail. this is a generation that has come of age with the internet. so they remain connected to this wider modern world while at the same time embracing this vision of utopia that goes back centuries. and while a also seeing america as the enemy. and so it's the juxtaposition of those two things that i think people find so alarming especially with hamami because he could be the kid next door. for a lot of people who grew up with him he is the kid next door. so he brings this home. >> charlie: i was going to ask you two things that are interest beyond his story. one is how you found this story which we'll come to in a moment. the other is what is the lesson from the story which is partly that. >> yes. i think a couple things about this. we've had this sort of space of cases over the last year. >> charlie: exactly. >> and that has caused a kind of new reckoning with the subject in this country. and i think what you see is people are backing away from this notion that militancy is europe's problem. because clearly it has found its way here. that said, you have to keep in mind there are a lot of debates about what this number of cases really represent. does it represent an up kick in activity or does it represent a just greater surveillance by law enforcement that therefore exmost a constant amount of activity all along. this is really a tiny fraction of the muslim community in this country that these men represent. but that said, the case raises question. and i think that what's interesting about them is you see when you look at the suspects in this country, people like hamami and you compare them to the militants in europe, you see there's a range of socio-economic background and also of religious piety. so you can't look at poverty as a predictor of this. there was a long standing myth that is really now seen that poverty breeds terrorism. i think when you talk to most established terrorism analysts agree that you can't experience this, you can't study this as a religious phenomenon or as the product over social alienation. it's a movement with religious and political underpinnings which is complicated. >> charlie: it used to be said that one of the things we have that in order to meet the challenge of terrorism, what you had to do was in a sense make sure that people weren't radicalized at a younger age. what is contemporary thinking about. >> how to fight it, how to prevent it. very very hard. i think that that's precisely the problem or that's precisely the challenge i should say because there are no clear predictors of this. what you do see are some patterns. you see that these young men, you can almost liken them to kids who end up joining a can you tell or a gang or who lose themself to drugs. they don't see it that way, they see this as a higher calling. but they are looking for a higher calling. they are contrary to popular perception, a lot of them are motivated and are deeply prild. when they see this religious piety they tend to be bonded by this politically driven anger. >> charlie: this is a propaganda video where al appears without a mask revealing his face as he makes his case for recruiting future fighters. >> his name was caco. he was a beautiful brother. we hope that -- for his family and we want -- his family that he was one of the best brothers here. and there's sincerity could be seen even on his face. and we need more like hem. so if you can encourage more of your children and more of your neighbors to send people like him to jihad, it would be a great asset. >> charlie: this video is from? >> well it came out in march of last year but that particular scene supposedly was shot in july 2008, july 15th which is this am bush which senior intelligence officials have said it actually happened. it was captured in this video. right there he's kind of calling attention to one of his fallen soldiers who he refers to as a martyr. and i think it's intended to try to recruit others from the west to this cause. the promise is victory or martyrdom. you're victorious or you're martyrdommed and end up in the after life with great reward. you can't go wrong and that's the message they're putting out. >> charlie: you tried to reach him. >> i did. >> charlie: were you successful. >> yes, i was. >> charlie: direct e-mail or through another party. >> i submitted questions through an intermediary. >> charlie: and he would answer them. >> i got an answer. >> charlie: you seem hesitant to talk about this. are you. >> i can't say too much about it. >> charlie: okay much why not? >> because i need to protect my source. >> charlie: has he read the article? >> he represents a new generation, a new jihad. they are totally connected to the world. this is a group of men who have been raised using the internet. and this is what i found in the minneapolis group. they read the news, they're on-line. i would be surprised if he hadn't seen this. >> charlie: thank you. >> thank you. >> charlie: the jihaddists next door, how did a popular kid in alabama 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MiamiFloridaUnited-statesNew-yorkMontanaCaco00EthiopiaJapanAlabamaNew-hampshireDamascus >> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight we begin with a preview of the superbowl with sports illustrate's peter king. >> the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. >> charlie: then we look at troubles with toyota with brian ross at abc and professor jeffrey liker from the university of michigan. >> they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical to the economy of japan and all this now has me back to really hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's distbing me because the company's philosophy really is and they really believe customer always comes first. >> charlie: andrea elliot grew up in alabama and then became a major terrorist in somalia. >> what i think people find so jarrinwith omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people whore alien, other worldly. >> charlie: can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing, who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because these really straddling the divide. >> charlie: the sport bowl with peter king toyota with brian ross and jeff liker and andrealliot about the journey of one man from alabama to somalia, next. if you've had a coke in the last 20 years, ( screams ) you've had a hand in giving college scholarships... and support to thousands of our nation's... most promising students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mnemonic ) captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: the 44th superbowl will be played this sunday in miami, florida. it is a match between two of the most explosive offenses in the nfl. paten manning will seek a second title in the last four years. new orleans off the heels of the victory of brett farve. they rely on their star quarterback drew breeze. this game marks the first time that two number one seeds will meet for the title since 1993. joining me now from ft. lauderdale our guy, peter king. he is as you know a senior writer for sports illustrated and widely considered one of the most thoughtful and best informed sources covering the nfl. so i'm pleased to have him back on this broadcast. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. great to be with you. >> charlie: here's where i want to start. five questions, the answers to which will determine who wins the superbowl. >> well, i'll tell you this, charlie, to me the biggest question in this game has to do with whether the new orleans saints can attack and effect paten manning. because in the last few weeks, paten manning looks like one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. no matter whether you get him for a couple of series and maybe frustrate him, eventually he's going to get it. because in the last 32 minutes of the last two games, the two play off games the colts have out scored the opposition 41-0. it's all because paten manning figures it out in the first quarter, second quarter and after that he's unstoppable. that's the biggest factor in the game. there's a bunch of other little subplots is dwight freely the star quarterbacker going to be healthy, is drew breeze protected enough so that the saints can be a powerful offensive team. can a lot of the players especially on new orleans who may have some first time superbowl jitters, it appears as though i would want to fa in the first part of the game are the saints going to be affected by the bigness of the stage. >> charlie: when you look at manning when he goes to get underneath the center and he starts all of that talking and waving his hands what is that all about. >> so many guys in the nfl basically have begun to figure out a lot of it is total nonsense. you know in baseball the third base coach does in this this and does that. 90% of it means absolutely nothing. it's the same thing with paten. in fact ray louis, the great baltimore line back irer told me i know which part of that is fate. when you play him for the first time you're wide-eyed. he's saying all these colors and numbers and everything and a lot of it so much of it is phony. so that's what johnathan vilma the defensive signal caller of the new orleans saints. he's got a huge job of what paten manning is saying is phony, what's real and what does it mean. that's why manning is so good. his guys know that. the other guys usually don't and he capitalizes. >> charlie: match up from your observation, manning versus breeze. >> well, i mean, manning is more of aeteran player whose had more playoff experience and has been obviously in more big games. you know, and i think it's going to be very hard for the saints to throw something at paten manning that he hasn't seen before. whereas breeze is obviously playing in a game of this magnitude for the nurse time. he's also facing a strange defense. the indianapolis colts are the smallest team in football and the saints arthro to be able to overpower them. wait a minute, what the colts do is run all over the place and run you ragged. they have smaller guys but they have faster guys. that's something that the saints are not really used to seeing. so i think it's going to be how quickly can drew breeze adjust. and one of the things i wrote today in my column on si.com, is this could make for a very illogical hero in the game for the new orleans saints. there's a back up tight end named david thomas who the saints like to use to help block, you know, as a bigger tight end to knock off some of the defensive ends and line backers who rush the passer. and my theory is that david thomas is going to be in this game, going to catching a lot of balls from drew breeze because he's not going to have a lot of time to throw. so breeze will be looking for the shorter safer stuff and i think that's where guys like david thomas and maybe reggie bush coming out of the back field come in and they could catch a lot of balls on sunday to try to beat the colts. >> charlie: does either team have an advantage in terms of motivation, inspiration, reason to win? >> well, the indianapolis colts i think, i mean paten manning will be 78 -- if he loses this game, he will be 78 years old, you know, warming up to play golf in palm springs one day and this will come to his mind and it will ruin his round of golf i guarantee you if he loses. whereas if the new orleans saints, their motivation is for a city, a region, a state. and you know, drew breeze, charlie, i went to dinner withdrew breeze about a month ago. and he convened some of the biggest business leaders in the new orleans area. it's his little secret group of businessmen who he asks, who he asks on many occasions to give him seed money for projects that haven't been able to get done around the area, schools, hospitals, a cancer center because of katrina. and drew breeze feels this pressure. it's his calling in life. he honestly feels like he has been called. he went to new orleans as a free agent because what he wanted to do was help save this region. it's corny and all that but it's absolutely true. and at dinner this night, he said everybody here let's raise a glass to new orleans. i mean it's something how the -- out of movie, it sounds ridiculous. that's part of breeze's motivation. there's no doubt that the city of new orleans and that region is riding along with the saints for this game. in fact, i believe that they'll have quite a few more fans in the stadiums sunday night than the colts will. and -- >> charlie: and do you believe that the new orleans coach who is famous for how he leads his team out will have something really unique to say? >> well charlie i wrote in sports illustrated last week about one of the most inspirational pre-game presentations that i've ever witnessed, you know, in my 25 years covering the nfl. sean paten the coach of the saints had every one of the top highlights sports highlights in the united states history, going all the way back to jessie owens and joe louis and mohammed ali and all of that. at the end of it, ronnie lot, the hero 49er who has won four super bowls, he had ronnie lot standing there saying to the guys if i could have just one wish in my life, it would be that i could go out one more time just like you guys will tomorrow and try to win a championship. you have no idea how lucky you are. and you know the players in that meeting afterwards, it was on the saturday night before the championship game, they were just dying to play right then. i mean the worst thing for them is they have like 20 hours before the game started. but paten is very famous for its motivation whereas the coach of the colts, jail calledwell is a flat liner. like tony th coach who won the super bowl last time they're not going to be mr. fire and brim stone they're going to be here's what you have to do to win and go out in a business-like way. they've won more games in this decade than any team has ever won in the decade of the nfl history. so obviously the flat line motivation works too for the colts. >> charlie: does paten manning say to himself i need to win this one i need two to be considered the greatest quarterback in the national football league. >> you know, paten manning is not one of those, charlie, who is ever going to tell you that history is vitally important to him. but make no mistake about it, he wants to be known as the greatest quarterback ever to play football now. i am of the opinion that we all need to sort of take a chill pill a little bit on proclaiming manning as the best quarterback whoever played for a very simple reason. this is his 12th year in the national football league and if he wins the superbowl, it would be a second championship. does anybody out there remember auto graham who two generations ago, three generations ago almost played ten years of professional football, won seven championships or joe montana who won four. we need to basically allow history to run its course because the nfl is not 19 years old, it's 90 years old. >> charlie: when you look at these two coaches does the fact that called well is a rookie coach make a difference. >> i don't think it does, charlie. he has his roots in the joe paternal school. he's a meantee of joe paternal. so i think nothing surprises him. and i think the team follows his lead the same as it did with dungee. it's the same thing with sean paten. i think the team gets sky high and stays extremely motivated and pound up during a game. i don't think either team has an advantage in that way. i would say the one thing i like about sean paten and what he does, he calls the offensive plays and i think he is excellent. as good as anybody in the game right now at in-game adjustments. when he sees a team doing something to him he figures it out just like manning does and what he does is he changes things from series to series to account for the defensive changes that he sees. >> charlie: so you've got manning's ability to adapt and the whole inspirational thing going. what about the pass rush of the new orleans saints? >> well the pass work of the saints, charlie, is a weird amalgam of kind of a buddy ryan clone. a guy named greg williams a defensive coordinator of saint. what he likes to do is do something he won't show you. like last week darren sharper had from probably the best pass rushing days in his career just in terms of impact. he had a huge hit on brett farve early in the game against minnesota and he was a constant presence, he was a thorn in the side of the vikings. but you may not see him rush one time in this game because greg williams likes to throw change ups. so my feeling is if you look at the way this team is, i think, you know, the way it happens on sunday with this game is that williams tries to throw different pitches at paten manning. because manning is the biggest student of the game in football. and on the other side of the fence i think a lot depends on how a former undrafted free agent named raheem brock, if he has a play a lot for the injured defensive end, whose got ann cull injury for the colts, it would be brock's job to come in and do what dwight freeny was going to do was to torment drew breeze. >> charlie: if feeny's in the game, you got to keep an additional, you got to guard paten manning that much harder and that gives you one less receiver. >> that's exactly right, charlie. and i wrote about that earlier this week. maurice jones drew of the jackson will jaguars said it is a vital part of this game. because if quite freeny is effective and playing in this game, then the new orleans saints on a normal pattern where they might send out four guys, they'll have to keep in one and only send out three. if it was a third and long and freeny is there and they fear him, instead of sending out five they will send out four. one of sean paten's strength is putting a lot of guys, flooding guys into the secondary and breeze is the most cut -- accurate passer in the league so he has no problem pointing out a guy and hitting him. that's a big factor. >> charlie: here's ten things i say about the superbowl. number nine, i city think the stats say it all about the forecast of this game is as follows. in the last three grains greg williams has coached against manning. the quarterback has completed 71% of his passes, then sacked only once and hit ten times in 12 quarters. the saints are going to have to do better than that. >> no question about it. and that's what greg williams is drilling into his team all week. in essence he's saying if we only do an average job against paten manning and don't force two or three turnovers, we'll be on the losing end on sunday. and so he's drilling into his team, hit paten manning early and often. >> charlie: i assume the model for that is what the giants did to tom brady. >> no question about it. but that's easier said than done because the giants had one of the best defensive lines in recent history. the saints have a good defensive line with a very good defensive tackle in cedrick ellis but it's not to the level of what the giants were. plus charlie, do you know what, the colts know it's coming. and one other thing is when paten manning gets hit, a lot of times, and people will laugh when they envisionthis but just think of this. here's what you'll see from paten manning on sunday. if he sees a heavy rush, he's going to do what everybody would criticize them you're not macho, you're not a man. he'll do -- duke into the fetal position and fall on to the ground and want to live another day. this is not macho ball it's football and four quarter game. if i get sacked a couple time in the first quarter without really getting hit that's fine don't worry. we'll figure it out and we'll win the game in the second half. >> charlie: if the colts win, will everybody question caldwell's decision not to take paten out against when they played against the jets. >> here's what will happen. there will be fans in indianapolis, and a friend of mine said his next door anyway who is a huge colts fan because of that game, because they were 14-0 and chose not to play the starters through the whole game, to beat the jets to attempt to go 16-0. and then have the first perfect 19-0 season in the 91 year history of the league, their whole point was why didn't you at least try. >> charlie: you're picking? >> i'm picking the colts 33-26. very simply because in my opinion can hold paten manning down for a series, two series, three series but eventually over the course of 60 minutes, he's going to get you. >> charlie: one last question. if you were going to go, you or sean paten or something else, williams, the defense coach for the new orleans saints, looking for one person who knew best how to stop paten manning, who would it be? >> i'd give the coach of the detroit lions, jim schwartz a call. schwartz was the defensive coordinator of the tennessee tighten for three years and beat paten manning three times, beat the colts three times. and he did it, charlie remember -- you're a big basketball guy. remember the old dean smith four corner offense. >> charlie: indeed. >> jim schwartz's philosophy in essence is bleed the clock as much as possible and put paten manning on the field as little as possible. and just make sure that if he's only on the field for 22, 23 out of the 60 minutes, that you make enough plays and you stop him enough times so that you, your own offense can make enough plays to win. that's what jim schwartz believed. totally taking the air out of the football. and greg williams understands that. he doesn't want paten manning on the field either but i think his attitude is more attack attack attack. >> charlie: everything, much of what i know about the superbowl and much of what i know about the nfl comes from you my friend and i thank you for taking this time with us. >> you're very wise man, charlie. thank you very much. >> charlie: indeed. thank you, peter. back in a moment. stay with us. as the count down to the academy awards continues, we bring you another oscar moment. >> the exciting thing about the movie-making for me is the fact that you're doing something new every picture, you learn something. i'm not trying experimental. that doesn't mean i'm doing something gymnastic in front of the camera, rolling it around or dropping it off the building. i've done that. it's a -- there's just some challenge to overcome and that challenge in this particular thing was just to play the character, to play all the various elements of the character and to have the other actors get all of the elements of their character in there. and it's always fun to watch it unfold. >> charlie: the president of toyota today apologized after the company recently acknowledged defects in several of its most popular vehicles. last month the world's largest automaker recalled cars for faulty pedals. this week they announced investigations into the system of the prius hybrid car. the conference at the company headquarters in japan returned to the company's tradition of making reliable products. >> we are trying to increase our product better. so this kind of procedure is good for the customers. so please believe me, we always customer first is first priority. >> charlie: joining me now from abc news in new york, brian ross. he's been covering toyota's troubles for several months. here's a look at one of his reports about toyota's faulty pedals. it aired last november. >> charlie, federal safety officials said today the underlying cause of some 2000 so-called run away toyotas remains under active investigations. until today, toyota had solely blamed either the wrong formats or driver error. the government's statement comes as a growing number of toyota ownersor coming forward to insist that floor mats don't explain the mystery. before the tragic accident in this highway outside san diego in august, a luksz 2009 driven by an off duty california highway patrol officer was out of control. >> it's stuck, we're in trouble. there's no brake. >> the messenger called 911 from the back seat. >> we are approaching the intersection. hold on. >> a four people in the lexus died after it hit another car, crashed into only embankment and burst into flames. >> charlie: joining us from ann arbor is jeffrey liker. he's an engineering professor and wrote several books about toyota. i'm pleased to have them both on this broadcast. let me go to you. where is it today. >> deep apologies and bows by the president and ceo of toyota, kept a company in crises. first they blamed floor mats on the floor then it was a sticky gas pedal and then computers a cars had an electronic lift of some sort. on top of that this week they acknowledged their state of the art the future car the prius had they had defect and they've raised the ire of safety officials here and in japan. >> charlie: what happens next. >> they find a way to solve the problems of the run away cars. they've insisted they've found those problems. many safety analysts are skeptical of that. two congressional hearings, one next week, the one the week after that. and lots of questions about their long hard work that gave them the reputation for quality safety. and now in tatters, they're beginning a new television commercial campaign this sunday. they've hired pr specialists in washington, former republican and democratic press secretaries to get them past this crises. >> charlie: what damage do you think, professor, it's done to toyota? >> the damage is probably most important to toyota which is the trust of the public and the trust of their customers and that's something that is not going to be easy to repair in the short run and they're going to have to prove that they deserve that trust and will have to earn it back. >> charlie: what was wrong. this was supposed to be a model automobile company. >> well it's not be been happy, i've been ry disappointed by some of things i've seen but not necessarily the same things that are coming out in the reports i just heard, for example. so when i look at the errors, say, with the sticky pedal which is something that happened six or seven years ago when they designed that, when i look at the carpenter issue that case of the police offer in san diego, that, they clearly attributed to the wrong carpet being put in by a lexus dealer without attaching the carpet down and then that carpet was actually melted on to the pedal. so that was very clear in the cause and effect. in the case of 2000 incidents over ten years, they can't always find the actual cause. so i'm looking over time saying maybe one hour here one hour there, i don't see a whole bunch of errors just because it's come out in the press recently. what concerns me is time gaps in responding to customer complaints and responding to nitze complaints. that's the part of it that's disturbing me because the company's philosophy really is customer always comes first. >> charlie: brian, when you listen, what do they say is wrong with yota. >> they say there's a culture that they don't want to fully cooperate with u.s. federal safety regulators. they don't necessarily trust them. we had on the air this week on world news with diane sawyer, an interview with a former toyota lawyer here in the u.s. who says he handled product liability cases and orders come from japan to hide or not disclose certain documents that would help those people who are suing or safety investigators. he was told to conceal that evidence. now they deny that and we asked mr. toyota today at his news conference about that and he said we always try to cooperate 100% from this point forward. but there are questions whether his predecessor led the company down the wrong road, they raced for profits to be number one in the world and perhaps less attention on quality. >> charlie: has there been anything in terms of what decisions have been made in the last couple years because of the economic crises that might have affected this. >> well it's hard to know. they were struggling to keep their profits high, to ride through the recession. they did become the number one car maker in the world. they are critical of the economy of japan and all this now has come back to really, to hurt them, a boomerang effect here because by expanding and using the same parts everywhere, if one of those parts goes bad, then the problem is everywhere. >> charlie: do you feel like that somehow, that there's a case to be made for toyota that's not being made in any way? that somehow they are being accused of something that's not accurate? >> oh yeah, i absolutely believe that. because what i see again is if you go, if you were to go to any manufacturing plant in ameri, or in the world, you would be amazed by the focus on other -- on quality. the people i talk to in the tech center, they're the best engineers i've ever met and they're always focused on quality. >> charlie: what does this mean for american companies, brian. >> some of the companies are taking advantage of that, offering incentives for toyota dealers. some of the japanese companies as well. i don't think they have a lot to gloat about frankly if you look at all of the reports at the national highway traffic safety administration, almost all companies have problems and you hear bit. it's just in the case of the toyotas, the reports of what they call sudden acceleration or run away cars just took off in monumental numbers after 2002 or 3, you had to use computers to control the gas pedal or throttle. and many do believe there's a glitch or algorithm that's off that they can't replicate. it doesn't happen all the time by any means, it's rare but when it does happen, it can be very dangerous. >> charlie: i hear you saying they haven't pinpointed the problem yet. >> they haven't. they say they can't have that problem. people with experience go in and say i have a different gas pedal than the ones recalled. i don't have those floor mats that's my problem and yet this car tookff at 70-80 miles an hour how to you explain it. those reports have been ignored by toyota and excluded by the federal investigators here who kept a very narrow focus on when they looked at these sudden acceleration incidents. >> charlie: professor liker, how do you explain that. >> well first of all, 2000 incidence of acceleration over ten years when a lot of those are probably due to the carpet and other means. i don't think you cld explain everything. i don't think when somebody complins you can't investigate the car. maybe they weren't so good at investigating the car. what i've personally been able to see by one of the top engineer in toyota are the actual scmatics of that electronic system. what impressed me most was that it was really designed to be fail safe against electromagnetic waves. it has two separate sensors, when you pushed on the pedal. there are two separate computer processors, completely independent. they go back and forth and any time there's a disagreement, the cpu's for example disagree in any way the system shuts down. >> charlie: would you buy a toyota today. >> absolutely. in fact one of my students this morning is saying i'm waiting for the prices to come down because i want to get a toyota. >> just to raise another issue about their quality and engineers who are very good, toyota made a decision not to have a brake override which is a feature in many other cars. or if there's a conflict between the accelerator and the brake, if you hit the brake, the accelerator, the throttle stops automatically. they don't have that in toyota. they're only now beginning to institute that. many say if you had that you wouldn't have had any of these problems. that i guess was a cost cutting measure. >> charlie: was it? do we know. >> it's hard to know but it's an extra added feature they have in their lexus the more expensive car but not the less expensive cars. >> charlie: when u put the question to them what do they say? why don't you have this in many cars. >> i've gone many times asking that question and the answers are pretty much gobbly gook. >> charlie: professor do you know the answer. >> they have to design the software separately for each car, and why they didn't do it in the past i don't either because it's obviously what they should have done. that's not at the working level here but i wish they had done it and they wish they had done it and i don't have a really good explanation. >> charlie: what do you think will be the financial repercussions for toyota. >> in the short term they're going to be very serious. i think it's going to take a while to build back up their sales so if you lose part on of your sales for a year, we're talking billions of dollars. fortunately they've got the pockets because their policy is to save when times are good. and they have saved a lot. so they can, they're a long term company and they'll get through this. but it's going to hurt their stock price, it will hurt their balance sheet and that's just the way it is. >> charlie: what do we know about the new ceo, brian. >> well he is the grandson of the founder. he is not really being blamed. he inherited the situation that where costs may have been cut and profit's the central focus not quality and he's trying to turn it around. >> charlie: thank you brian, thank you professor liker, great to have you here. >> thank you. >> charlie: we'll be right back. stay with us. omar was born and raised in a small town out side mobile, alabama. his formative years including friday night football game, camp and sophomore president. today at the age of 25, he has become a key figure in a ruthless islamic insurgency dedicated to throwing back the islamic government. he has beco a jihadist icon. he's in a campaign that's drawn hundreds of fighters to somalia. and andrea elliot has documented the strange and haunting journey he has taken. he's done that in a remarkable piece for "the new york times" magazine it is called jihaddists next door. how did a fall her kid in a small town in alabama wind up in al-qaeda. i'm pleased to have andrea elliott back. >> great to be here. >> charlie: tell me the story. it's amazing. >> it begins with his parents. his father came to the united states from damascus in the early 1970's to pursue a college degree. he was searching for a small town and no one in his family had come to the united states. he had a little guidance and heard about this college a couple towns north of alabama. he looked no further. he got there. he was hoping to become a doctor. and he met a local southern baptist girl and they eventually got married. and started a family. and from the start, their two religions coexisted. they were married in a church followed by having a muslim ceremony. so omar and his sister would go to church with his mother on sundays but they lived in really essentially a culturally muslim home which is to say they would leave their shoes at the door. they didn't eat pork. so they had both religions really in their lives from day one. that said, omar did consider himself a christian. he walked to the front of his southern baptist church at the age of six to be baptized. and remained christian unti his early teens. >> charlie: what happened then? >> this is a kid who was strikingly curious. he has this kind of insatiable curiosity. he would ask endless questions. there are all these great stories about teachers just getting bored with his qutions. he felt frustrated by this small alabama town. and his curiosity and all these questions, it was as if he was searching for answers and couldn't find them. he certainly could not find them in christianity. he found christianity to be intellectually indefensible. he really struggled with the notion of the trinity, for instance. he couldn't explain to himself why, how god could have a son. so he was grappling in a very witty manner with these questions when a lot of his trends werehanging out and not second guessing anything. his friend remembers this when they were 13 or 14 sitting around a bon fire and omar was saying this doesn't make sense to me, i can't accepted it. so islam appeals to him first really on an intellectual basis. and it seems to present to him a kind of belief system that meshed with the way he saw the world. >> charlie: then he went to damascus and saw a certain order that he liked. >> this was a life changing trip. syria had really remained in the distance during his childhood and so he went a couple times. and the third time he went, he was 15 and athat point, he was easily the most popular kid in his class. he was dating one of the pretty just girls in the school. he was about to be elected class president. he was a star student in the gift student's program living a dreamy adolescence. he goes to syria and i think what happened a few years prior to this is that his older sister moved out. she couldn't bear her father's rules. her father while very loving to his children was strict as was their mother. so she left and omar felt very alone. and was sort of searching for i think a kind of replacement sibling in a sense. and this i actually really got a good sense from his girlfriend at the time who talked to him when he was in sirius, the first thing she noticed she tracks his converse through his introduction or reintroduction to his syrian heritage. so he's there and he calls back to alabama saying the culture is so incredible. he was very taken with the sort of social order of things. there was a reliability to it. and as he put it to her a co-ceasiveness of brother hood that felt with his cousins. even these photographs from of from that trip he has parted with his look of polish shirts and baggie jeans he's wearing prayer cams and cotton tunics. it's a cultural thing that happens first and then he comes back and is really at that point starting to convert to islam. and after 9/11 he became a part of this movement that really embraces this very literal reading of the quran and follows a really strict series of edicts. he would only eat with his right hand and he swore -- wore his pants above his ankle and he wouldn't pose for photographs. a different practice then his father being very devout president of a local mosque trying to be mainstream american life. his son wearing a long reasonable and turban, they were very different. so by the time he gets to toronto, one of the things that he was totally convinced by in this salfi way of life was that he couldn't be politically engaged. he had to denounce terrorism and militancy because they were considered unhuhful. that was about really just focusing on the practice. in other words, you're not going to make the world a better place by taking up arms. you're only going to make the world a better place by becoming a better muslim. the focus was on all these rules. when he got to toronto being an american in toronto sort of opened him up to a target of all of these comments about the occupations in iraq. and he experienced a political awakening and he through that process came to embrace this theological orientation. by the time he gets to egypt, he is open to jihad. he's open to really finding a kind of greater purpose in his life. and that is how he sees it. and looking for action, really in that respect. and he meets daniel maldonado who is this american in his late 20's from new hampshire who also moved to egypt and is on the same internet forum and they become friends. they go to somalia together. >> charlie: and then what happens? >> when omar gets to somalia, he's left his wife and baby daughter in egypt. his mother had been visiting at the time. he told her he was going to look for a job. so he's left them in the dark. when he gets to somalia he calls home and from the beginning he's not telling them fully what's going on. he cess he's there to visit his wife, her family. what i can say for sure by the end of 2006 he has enlisted with the shebab which means youth. and it's this militant group that is increasingly linked to al-qaeda. and he starts, really he lands with this 22 year old who has no military training. and what's interesting to me is that the same things that kind of elevated him in high school, that made him this really popular figure, his charisma, his edginess what some of his friends would call his effoless cool, seemed to have served him with the shebab also. >> charlie: he rose to leadership. >> he rose to leadership position. it's hard to say exactly what that position is but i've been able to piece together an idea of it which is that he has, after completing training, he caught the notice of some of his superiors because he brought a skill set, he was computer savvy and smart and very very dedicated to the cause. so they end up training him further and he comes to lead military strikes in the field, according to somalia and american law enforcement officials. he is plotting strategy with al-qaeda militants. he is having a say in the shebab's political and recruitment strategy. but almost as powerful is this symbolic role that he comes to have which he is presented through their propaganda. there are videos of this icon in the making. it's the same things you saw in high school. he has this kind of, in the videos he walks around with his shirt sleeves rolled up and he's sort of casual and relaxed and patrolling in the camps. and he's shown running in slow motion holding a rifle with an amateurish jihadist rap song playing. they're presenting him as a revolutionary k-like figure in an attempt to recruit more people. >> charlie: and you assume this is something he enjoys and wants to do. >> yes. >> charlie: let's look at some of these clips. the first one is going by the name of abu and sural which means the american. >> the american. >> charlie: here it is. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> charlie: this is an interview you did in al jazeera awe. >> yes in 2007. >> charlie: where is he now. >> one would presume he's in somalia. no one knows exactly. i've talked to somalia and american law enforcement officials have interviewed people who fought with him and tracked movement. i've also talked to people who have fought with him who defected to the government side. and so what i can tell you about his life there is that he seems to move around a lot. he has a role in the camps. he is a kind of charismatic figure to other recruits. it's important to also put this in the context of this sort of story of american radicalization in this country. because he is one of more than 20 americans who have gone to this movement. and the majority of them are -- >> charlie: the shebab. >> the shebab. and they're mostly americans for the minneapolis area. and so they, a lot of them were driven by nationalism actually because they were motivated to go after ethiopia invaded somalia in 2006. he went there as part of a global jihad. so his ideology, plenty of the smallian americans of indianapolis are also in agreement with this ideology but it's a global cause. the idea is that, you know, very much in keeping with al-qaeda's ideology, to bring about an islamic world order. and what's so interesting at the same time is that what i think people are, find so jarring about omar is how familiar he is. when most people think about jihaddists, they have this image of these people who are alien, other worldly. >> charlie: people you can't imagine knowing. >> people you can't imagine knowing who are at odds with the west. omar just turns that on his head because he's really straddling the divide. and not just him but also a lot of these guys from minneapolis. they get to somalia and they continue to maintain contact with their friends and family via face book, via cell phones, via e-mail. this is a generation that has come of age with the internet. so the remain connected to this wider modern world while at the same time embracing this vision of utopia that goes back centuries. and while a also seeing america as the enemy. and soit's the juxtaposition of those two things that i think people find so alarming especially with hamami because he could be the kid next door. for a lot of people who grew up with him he is the kid next door. so he brings this home. >> charlie: i was going to ask you two things that are interest beyond his story. one is how you found this story which we'll come to in a moment. the other is what is the lesson from the story which is partly that. >> yes. i think a couple things about this. we've had this sort of space of cases over the last year. >> charlie: exactly. >> and that has caused a kind of new reckoning with the subject in this country. and i think what you see is people are backing away from this notion that militancy is europe's problem. because clearly it has found its way here. that said, you have to keep in mind there are a lot of debates about what this number of cases really represent. does it represent an up kick in activity or does it represent a just greater surveillance by law enforcement that therefore exmost a constant amount of activity all along. this is really a tiny fraction of the muslim community in this country that these men represent. but that said, the case raises question. and i think that what's interesting about them is you see when you look at the suspects in this country, people like hamami and you compare them to the militants in europe, you see there's a range of socio-economic background and also of religious piety. so you can't look at poverty as a predictor of this. there was a long staing myth that is really now seen that poverty breeds terrorism. i think when you talk to most established terrorism analysts agree that you can't experience this, you can't study this as a religious phenomenon or as the product over social alienation. it's a movement with religious and political underpinnings which is complicated. >> charlie: it used to be said that one of the things we have that in order to meet the challenge of terrorism, what you had to do was in a sense make sure that people weren't radicalized at a younger age. what is contemporary thinking about. >> how to fight it, how to prevent it. very very hard. i think that that's precisely the problem or that's precisely the challenge i should say because there are no clear predictors of this. what you do see are some patterns. you see that these young men, you can almost liken them to kids who end up joining a can you tell or a gang or who lose themself to drugs. they don't see it that way, they see this as a higher calling. but ey are looking for a higher calling. they are contrary to popular perception, a lot of them are motivated and are deeply prild. when they see this religious piety they tend to be bonded by this politically driven anger. >> charlie: this is a propaganda video where al appears without a mask revealing his face as h makes his case for recruiting future fighters. >> his name was caco. he was a beautiful brother. we hope tt -- for his family and we want -- his family that he was one of the best brothers here. and there's sincerity could be seen even on his face. and we need more like hem. so if you can encourage more of your children and more of your neighbors to send people like him to jihad, it would be a great asset. >> charlie: this video is from? >> well it came out in march of last year but that particular scene supposedly was shot in july 2008, july 15th which is this am bush which senior intelligence officials have said it actually happened. it was captured in this video. right there he's kind of calling attention to one of his fallen soldiers who he refers to as a martyr. and i think it's intended to try to recruit others from the west to this cause. the promise is victory or martyrdom. you're victorious or you're martyrdommed and end up in the after life with great reward. you can't go wrong and that's the message they're putting out. >> charlie: you tried to reach him. >> i did. >> charlie: were you successful. >> yes, i was. >> charlie: direct e-mail or through another party. >> i submitted questions through an intermediary. >> charlie: and he would answer them. >> i got an answer. >> charlie: you seem hesitant to talk about this. are you. >> i can't say too much about it. >> charlie: okay much why not? >> because i need to protect my source. >> charlie: has he read the article? >> he represents a new generation, a new jihad. they are totally connected to the world. this is a group of men who have been raised ing the internet. and this is what i found in the minneapolis group. they read the news, they're on-line. i would be surprised if he hadn't seen this. >> charlie: thank you. >> thank you. >> charlie: the jihaddists next door, how did a popular kid in alabama wind up 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MiamiFloridaUnited-statesNew-yorkMontanaCaco00EthiopiaJapanAlabamaNew-hampshireDamascus dan: welcome back to indianapolis. derrick mason had a touchdown, but the ball is under thrown. antoine bethea, he comes down and lands hard. but he is able to make a play on the ball because it is under thrown. greg: 4:53 to play in the fourth quarter. greg gumbel and dan dierdorf. indianapolis with the ball and the lead. they are looking to host the a.f.c. championship game next week against the winner of tomorrow's new york jets- chargers game. dan: well, we saw a game that was really close for a lot of the first half. it was a 3-3 ballgame. then it really got broken open with a pair of indianapolis touchdowns. austin collie with a 10-yard touchdown catch and reggie wayne with a four-yard touchdown reception that ended the first half. the colts at that point really broke the game open. greg: second and 7, the give is to hart. you know, thinking back to what john harbough said, he said if we are plus one or two in the turnover department and stop them in the red zone. if we score touchdowns in the red zone, we can win. none of that has happened. the colts are on the verge of getting a sizeable monkey off of their back. the last time the colts won a playoff game, you know when it was? it was the super bowl. it was the super bowl. greg: it has been a while. dan: when they beat the bears. the last two times in the playoffs they were eliminated by the chargers. greg: this is brown, and he is going to be taken down at the 5-yard line by ellerbee. i want to remind you, coming up is the subway postgame show. we will recap and have the latest playoff news and information coming up on the subway postgame show. , we have a time-out down on the field. greg: and baltimore has used up its third and final time-out. dan: well, it is a good use of a time-out. because the colts would have burned off 30 seconds before they snapped it off for a punt. greg: i believe he is reminding john harbough that you have no more time-outs. this is especially disappointing to a baltimore team that played so well at new england last week. that was then and this is now. dan: yes, that was then. greg: mcafee gets it away. fair catch called for and made by karat his own 43-yard line. dan: well, a little taste of what has happened in the game prior. peyton manning, a pair of touchdown passes. that is austin collie. and this one right at the end of the first half. reggie wayne got the ball. ed reed intercepted today but look at 85, pierre garcon. look at that hustle on his side and knock its loose. ray rice, he gets hit by raheem brock and fumbles it, recovered by the colts. and then antoine bethea comes across and intercepts an underthrown ball. just whatever can go wrong has gone wrong for the baltimore ravens. greg: flacco completes it inside the indianapolis 35 to derrick mason. three minutes to play. dan: of course baltimore only has a minute to go. they can't challenge anything. that is the least of their problems at this point. greg: this is heap to about the 27. that is a first down. clock continues to move as we come up on 2:30 to play. dan: and this is just offensive pride here. you would like to get into the end zone just to say that you did it. greg: another short pass. that is going to get nothing. dan: and i think is the glass half empty or half full? 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>> off sides, number 68, defense. five-yard penalty. repeat third down. greg: eric foster is guilty of the penalty. dan: take a look at that right there. incredible that san diego started at 2-3 and then notched 11 straight. norv turner really coming out of that. greg: i guess he can coach after all. dan: he was on the ropes after that 2-3 start. of course rex ryan, says the jets are the favorite in the entire tournament. greg: that is a tall order. dan: very tall order, but i like rex. let him talk. greg: off the hands of todd heap at the 15-yard line. dan: isn't that what has been going on all evening here. todd heap, who is a pro bowl player. that ball looked like it got deflected, just grazed a little bit. but still, no reason for heap not to catch that. greg: john harbough in his second season as head coach of the ravens. dan: when you are the underdog, five dropped passes gets added to the laundry list of mistakes the ravens have made this evening. fourth and 2 and diving interception is made by number 25, powers, the rookie. dan: just bounces right off ray rice's hands. look at that, gary brackett, his fellow rutgers alum comes over to say that's all right. a little high, but still catchable. i am sure joe wishes he would have thrown it down a bit. just sails on him. ray rice is not the tallest of guys. nice job by powers to dig it out. greg: the fourth baltimore turnover of the night. that will not win you any playoff games. dan: no. and indianapolis now can just kneel on the ball. and jim caldwell can put everything to rest about the new york jets game. it is now finally, totally in the rear view mirror. nonissue. nonstory. resting worked. greg: remind you the subway postgame show from new york comes your way as soon as these final 50 seconds wind down here in indianapolis. inoue the interesting thing is who is come to town, the jets or the chargers? and if it is the chargers, a team that is matched up very, very well with the colts. greg: that will be the last play of the night and the last of the season for the baltimore ravens. baltimore's season comes to an end at 10-8. dan: and the colts tonight look and acted, wouldn't you think, just like the number one seed that they are. they played the part. greg: handshakes all around at midfield. congratulations go out to the indianapolis colts. for all of our crew here in indianapolis, greg gumbel saying so long. up next the subway postgame show from new york after this. [ male announcer ] how can rice production in india affect wheat output in the u.s., the shipping industry in norway, and the rubber industry in south america? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment objectives, risks, fees, expenses, and other information to read and consider carefully before investing. james: and welcome back to our new york studios and the subway postgame show. i am james brown. coming up for many of you, your late local news. with indianapolis victorious this evening over the ravens by the score of 20-3, indy advances to next sunday's a.f.c. championship game awaiting the winner of tomorrow's san diego-new york jets contest. of course we will bring you that next sunday right here on cbs. and tomorrow we will be back with another edition of the "the nfl today" at a special time, 4:00 eastern leading up to the divisional playoff game between the jets and the chargers. dan and coach, talk about the colts. dan: moving forward, san diego and the jets are teams that can go in there and beat them. the san diego chargers can put up enough to beat the colts and defensively the jets can stop peyton manning. bill: this is about the defense of the colts. they have a healthy mathis and freeney, and they are making plays on the back end. there is no question right now the offense of the indianapolis colts does not look like it has explosiveness. more of a dink and dunk right now. james: well the colts -- make that the ravens were averaging 24.5 coming into that game and only three tonight. the new orleans saints, impressive over the cardinals, 45-14. they advance to next sunday's n.f.c. championship game awaiting the winner of tomorrow's dallas-minnesota contest. shannon: new orleans got a team giving up 45 points and 450 yards in the playoffs. i was impressed with new orleans' defense. they held the cardinals to 1-8 on third downs and got after kurt warner. the new orleans offense, i want to see how they do against minnesota or dallas. boomer: duget the sense of what that stadium was like today? it will be really hard for the cowboys or vikings to beat them there. i do agree with shannon, arizona was the perfect defense for that offense to get back on track. james: subway postgame show will continue right after this. ♪ see you there! ♪ michael phelps fuels up with the mega tasty subway® turkey melt. a protein-packed powerhouse on freshly baked bread -- so he can get to where the action is this winter. subway. eat fresh. i thought i was in great shape. so i was surprised when my doctor told me i still had high cholesterol. that really hit me, and got me thinking about my health. i knew i had to get my cholesterol under control. but exercise and eating healthy weren't enough for me. now i trust my heart to lipitor. 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(announcer) have a heart to heart with your doctor about your cholesterol. and about lipitor. james: and welcome back to our new york studios as we continue on the subway postgame show. tomorrow at 1:30 eastern college basketball action coming your way right here on cbs as number 15 uconn visits michigan. that will be coming your way tomorrow. all right, jets and san diego. let's get the thoughts. boomer: you have to be believers if you are yetets because your coach is telling you that you are going to the super bowl. shannon: nobody is under more pressure than brett favre. this is why he said he came back and this is why they got him. bill: hottest team in football, san diego chargers right now. dan: and sanchez will have to play a perfect game. james: shannon does not think. i will see you tomorrow. ,,,,,,,,,, captions by: caption colorado, llc (800) 775-7838 e- mail: crushing loss, the ravens come up short in indianapolis. we have complete coverage of the game and fan reaction. good evening, everyone. thanks for joining us. i'm adam may. certainly a lot of sad and tired faces around baltimore after the ravens come up short against the colts. the team got behind indianapolis all night and just couldn't catch up. wjz is live at the game. jessica kartalija is live with the fans. mark? >> reporter: adam, we're going to be heading out live to indianapolis in moments but first, the story about the game as the ravens rolled into indy riding playoff mow meant up after a big upset looking to beat the colts in indianapolis for the first time ever. as you saw here live on wjz, they wouldn't get it done losing 20-3. let's hear from the coach following this playoff defeat. >> the whole team, their defense played well. i thought it was a heck of an effort by them. the kind of game you have to play to win a game like this. so congratulations to them. we are disappointed with the fact that we didn't win this game. we didn't play well enough to win. that's our disappointment. like i told these guys, it's hard to put in words how proud i am of them. they fought all year and fought today. that kind of speaks to their character and their personality and what they are all about. >> coach, did the win come out at the first half when they go down there with the ball in the end zone with a minute and a half to go? >> well, i mean in what sense? we kept playing hard. we didn't deflate as a team. we came out and fowt fought for the rest of the game. the wind didn't come out of the sails. obviously it hurt us. >> what did you say at halftime? >> we score more and win the game. that was our goal to come out and outplay them the second half ond win the game. >> do you think that was the pivotal stretch of the game? >> you know me well enough to know that's not what we'll talk about. the game turns on certain plays. that's something for you to dissect. i never put it on one play or one stretch. [ all talking at once ] >> i'm sorry? [ all talking at once ] >> how did they bunt the running game? i thought we ran well. they can run, they're physical. they get off blocks real well. what was your question? >> penalties and turnovers seemed to plague you all game at very inopportune times. >> you can talk specifics when you want to. >> the play by gars0. n. >> which one? >> that hurt us. it's like any ball care yor in the open, you have to put that ball away. he's got a chance to knock it out from behind. that was a huge play. >> do you have an explanation on the call right at the end of the -- >> well, i think they said it was helmet to helmet. i didn't get an explanation, no, but i'm sure that's what they were saying. >> is that what you saw, though? >> i didn't see it well. i thought it was a heck of a football play knocking the ball loose. i'm looking forward to seeing it. maybe you saw it. >> did they do anything defensively against that you surprised you, 33 points last week, 3 points this week. obviously a big difference there. >> we're playing a different team so that comparison's moot. they played good defense all year. they played exactly what they always play and played it well. >> looks like they had a pass interference called on corey ivy. >> i saw that one. we talk about penalties in terms of teaching technique. teach him from what i saw exactly the way he played it. maybe i'll watch the tv later and see it differently but i thought corey played that well. >> so that's coach harbaugh with live reaction following the ravens playoff loss to the colts. let's check out the highlights or low lights if you will. ravens playing the fourth straight road game. joe flacco with the birthday today. former raven matt silver caps the drive with a 44-yard field goal. 3-0 indy. the ravens respond and go 67 yards on their first drive. the biggest game of this opening drive is flacco to derek mason. he'll hookup on a 27-yard game helping to lead to a baltimore field goal. we got a game. the offense, though, stalled after the colts linebacker gary brackett coming through on the blitz will get to flacco. not a good game for the second year quarterback. this one a loss on the third yard down. what would fall is a punt and from that the colts would drive 75 yards. the qb will find his receiver on a ten-year td connection. indy takes a 10-3 lead with two minutes left in the first half. they would get more because they got the ball back with 30 seconds later. sugs hits manning, incomplete pass. john harbaugh protesting just two seconds elapsed on the clock but the officials reset the clock. harbaugh upset about the time that elapsed. reggie wane with three seconds left, made it 17-3 indy at the break. here's the play once again in case you are wondering if that ball got across. it certainly did. second half, here's the big play. manning will go deep, and this pass will get picked off by safety ed reid. the all pro is a ball hawk. he intercepted manning when they played here in november. he's a return man that goes 38 yards. pierre garson knocks the ball loose. indy gets it back as the ravens give a turnover back to the colts. more slippery football. the ravens driving in the fourth quarter. ray rice takes the handoff but the ball gets jarred loose and recovered by clint sessions. he's the guy you might recall who intercepted the pass in november. that play clinched this one for the colts. four turnovers for the ravens all in the second half. the playoff run is done, 20-3 the final. the colts go on to play the winner of tomorrow's game that has the jets playing at san diego. back to indianapolis, joe flacco speaking with the media. >> joe, what's the biggest thing the colts do as far as defense that makes it so hard to get the touchdowns again? >> they know how to play what they do well, and they're able to react quick and do things quickly. that's the biggest thing about that. they're not a big group of guys but they play with speed and react well to the ball. >> reporter: so you had a solid opening drive where you moved the ball really well and then your next three drives, three and out, was there anything different that made it tougher to move the ball? >> i don't think so. we converted a first down early, you know, we get first downs obviously early on and getting a little bit of into a groove. and the next couple drives we never got a first down. obviously didn't make those third downs. when you don't convert that first first down, you have to punt. when you get the first fist down, it cut ta put pz you. >> so what did you see on the play where you tried to force it in to clayton and bethea? >> i probably should have been looking outside. the guy played todd real high out on his feed route, and originally wanted to give todd a shot there. couldn't really see kelly out in the flat, which is where i should have put the ball. just couldn't see it. it was a bad decision but we got away with it. >> the offense in general, did you think it just didn't click some. >> no, not at all. it was a type of game that it was close all around. they made plays in the second quarter to get themselves ahead. we were just never able to click to get back to win the game. >> no doubt there's going to be a lot of scrutiny about the play of joe flacco late in the season his third straight without a touchdown pass. and 30 completions for 189 yards. you saw him on the sidelines with cam cameron on the second half clearly trying to work out the problems there. opening drive of the game, flacco brought them up. third and goal, flacco's pass was nearly picked off by antwon bethea who could have gone 100 yards in that return. lucky here to at least get a field goal out of it. flacco was sacked just once in the first half but did get banged up by all pro defensive end dwight on a long incompletion. opening drive third and three from the indianapolis 43. batted at the line of jimmage by ha heel. >> they're in the third quarter after the colts finished the third quarter. knocked 20 complete passes for flacco, 189 yards against two interceptions one of them tipped late in the second half as the ravens played 18 straight and the season ends for the ravens. our complete coverage continues right now with jessica kartalija with the fans at the espn zone tonight. jess? >> reporter: not very happy fans. the season for the ravens is now over, but the fans did. ♪ [music] ♪ >> let's go ravens. >> reporter: ravens fans show up are the to go. you have to tell me about the jacket. give me a twirl or something. >> a couple years it's back. i've been here since the fist time i ever paid. >> reporter: you are totally blinged out. give me a pearl. it's saturday night football fever. >> i am so ready for this game. i'm nervous for them. if they don't bin i'm going to cry. >> but the colds winning at the half, the mood changed a little at the espn zone. >> i think they're not playing the game that they played last week. i think that they came out with a little bit of less confidence than they had last week. >> reporter: purple pride alive and well except for some uninvited fans. sir what are you wearing? >> colts jerseys. >> reporter: that's dangerous. >> we were there first. >> reporter: and you are from baltimore? >> yeah. >> and you are colts and you are ravens. how can you sit next to the ladies? >> i don't know how i can bear it. >> reporter: so the ravens still have yet to win a game in indianapolis bought fans are excited for next season. live at the espn zone, back to you on tv hill. >> thank you so much. we'll have much more coming up later on in this newscast. we have other news to report tonight including the massive efforts going on in haiti. today's secretary of state hillary clinton is beginning to survey the gath. meanwhile, back here at home,
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