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Nonbinary folks at a much higher rate due to gender identity. oftentimes people want to exploit transgender people online by taking pictures of their genitalia to expose them or exploit them as having genitalia that is different than their gender identity. and so i believe that that is a hate crime rooted in hate and intolerance and must be stopped. >> okay, so, sara, help us understand the legal ramifications here. i mean, there is a challenge to trying to criminalize this kind of conduct. >> s...

While we cant model with certainty, that shouldnt bother people too much the fact that we have a risk and challenge, we shouldnt let that go. and i think my view is it is a serious risk and we need to take steps to address it. is that a fair accounting of how you view it? >> yes, sir. i think what i said is the fact we cannot predict with precision and certainly all of the models that we discussed that day, none of them agree, doesnt mean that we should do nothing. >> one of the things ive seen ...

Fact that we have a risk and challenge we shouldnt let it go. my view is that it is a serious risk. is that a fair recounting of how we feel. >> yes, sir. i think what i said the fact that we cant predict with with precision and all of the models that we discussed, none of them agree. it doesnt mean we should do nothing. >> and one of the things i have seen in my time in the senate, we talk about model and what is happening on the ground right now. and in my state, forest are burning to a faster...