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does not bar them from running for office. and it does not bar them from being elected to office. it just burns them from holding office. what you do you make of that distinction? >> well, it's word salad. it's nonsense. it's a miss reading of section three of a 14th amendment. without a doubt. you mentioned earlier, when you are talking to professor tribe that the supreme court ought to be, i don't know, doing its homework or something. so why not? let's give them some homework. they obviously or their clerks, i hope, our reading all the great debates of the winter and spring of 1866 when the 14th amendment was debated. incredible debates. these were men reinventing a constitution and fighting like hell over it. they can also start by reading

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they can also start by reading chapter two of the book the second founding. it's called toward equality. it's a single chapter on, how do these parts of the 14th amendment come about? they can read that in 20 minutes. then they can go spend hours on the great debates of 1866. and they should especially learn the speeches by john bingham, it was bingham who voiced that quote i use the other day, put them in terror of their laws. that was bingham, and by the way, bingham was an anti slavery genuine abolitionist republican from eastern ohio. almost over to pittsburgh. he never made it into the senate or ran for the presidency but he's one of the great unsung heroes of american history. he authored section one, and he had a lot to do with author-ing section three of the 14th amendment. and if you're giving me a little time on section three

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