released. if you re going to say there is no evidence on russia. eric: if bradley manning, now chelsea manning was giving away locations and military movements, there is no way of quantifying. kat: i hate when people say, chelsea manning releases information, releasing information of wrongdoing. it was earnest to expose wrongdoing. people say. eric: in his mind, the wrongdoing was that we were at war. kat: people saying that shows you won t be able, that you can threaten national security and get away with it, there were consequences. seven years in prison is a long time. 35 years is longer than murderers and rapists. i think this is perfectly fair. commute the sentence, absolutel absolutely. eboni: i hear you two debating the intention and that being an important distinction.