green party activist and one-time progressive firebrand in the arizona senate has had over the course of her kroob wst the a little hard to know where she's coming from in her latest political incarnation, but her brand of renegade politics is fundamentally a dead end in ways that should be appreciated, even by those of us who would think that the democratic party would benefit from a bit more. and the argument is, no one knows where kyrsten sinema stands. at least joe manchin is saying, this is where i stand. this is my top line. this is what i won't go beyond. >> and let's be honest. washington, d.c. understands characters like joe manchin. he's transactional. he's wheeling and dealing. he's making a thing that is in his head best for him politically and best for his state financially. sinema is a much more sort of elliptical figure. you can't quite pin down what she wants. but with manchin, you know what he's after. the guy absolutely transparent about it. and it harkens back to a kind of older washington. not necessarily -- not