you on. first of all, why should the undocumented children be classified as refugees? what is the thinking there? thank you for having us on your show. for us, it was very clear. we ve been watching the trends increase since 2008. there has been a 712% increase in the number of asylum applications. an watching the number of children double every year since 2012 on u.s. soil was cause for concern. last year we did intensive research interviewing over 400 children to identify what are the reasons they re leaving. in that context, is there are there protection concerns, refugee concerns and other complimentary forms of protection. we found it s a mixed flow, but within that flow and in our research 60% of them feared violence and serious harm if they returned. most of them were convinced they