develop — guess over time things started to develop. all of a sudden you win a world _ develop. all of a sudden you win a world rugby cup with the england team _ world rugby cup with the england team. you then find other opportunities, broadcasting, then opportunities, broadcasting, then opportunities in terms of leadership, being on the rfu council _ leadership, being on the rfu council i_ leadership, being on the rfu council. i guess you don't really think— council. i guess you don't really think about your pathway for others to follow, _ think about your pathway for others to follow, you just do it. but when someone — to follow, you just do it. but when someone mentions it, you think may be i someone mentions it, you think may he i am _ someone mentions it, you think may he i am a _ someone mentions it, you think may be i am a trailblazer. that's only sort _ be i am a trailblazer. that's only sort of— be i am a trailblazer. that's only sort of do — be i am a trailblazer. that's only sort of do feel a little bit of pressure. i may have been on that journey— pressure. i may have been on that journev but — pressure. i may have been on that journey but i'm not going to be the last one _ journey but i'm not going to be the last one. i'm determined i'm not going _ last one. i'm determined i'm not going to — last one. i'm determined i'm not going to he — last one. i'm determined i'm not going to be the last one, there is going _ going to be the last one, there is going to — going to be the last one, there is going to be the last one, there is going to be someone else after mvself, — going to be someone else after myself, like you, and then there are going _ myself, like you, and then there are going to _ myself, like you, and then there are going to beat many other women, many people _ going to beat many other women, many people from _ going to beat many other women, many people from diverse backgrounds. i like to— people from diverse backgrounds. i like to think that hopefully i'm 'ust like to think that hopefully i'm just a — like to think that hopefully i'm just a little bit of a part of their journev — just a little bit of a part of their journev l— just a little bit of a part of their “ourne . ., ., ~ ' :: :: journey. i hate to think in 10-20 ears' journey. i hate to think in 10-20 years" time. _ journey. i hate to think in 10-20 years" time. a — journey. i hate to think in 10-20 years' time, a black— journey. i hate to think in 10-20 years' time, a black girl- journey. i hate to think in 10-20 years' time, a black girl like - journey. i hate to think in 10-20 years' time, a black girl like me| years' time, a black girl like me still has to go through the same