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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:35:00

enter him. enter richard england. connie hired rick, the private investigator, to do surveillance on dwight and to assess how much of a threat he posed. rick and his team tailed dwight, took photos and vitd of him and combed threw his clutter debris filled room in the family home and found some books with seriously disturbing titles. how to get even with people. how to injure people in street fighting. it starts to put a makeup of somebody who is trying to plan something. he made sure she and her son always had eyes on them. i had people full time on the school where the son goes. if connie went to the grocery store, had a public event, went to work, somebody

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:59:00

Sometimes, particularly in real life, the bad guys win. but maybe connie and rick are the best living proof that some beauty can blossom from even the darkest of situations. a friend of mine told me that he really likes you. and i said, no, he doesn t. he is my friend. when i started paying when i started paying attention to it, and i was like, oh, i think he does. what did you like about her? it turned out at my age, what was important to me is not only that she s beautiful, but she s intelligent. reporter: somehow, out of fear, danger, and the need for protection grew love. connie and rick married in december 2013. you did your job. you protected her. she s still here. i m happy about that. you feel like, maybe, the universe owes you a little happiness here? because i do. [ laughter ] well, we are. we have a very good family.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:40:00

Ex-husband in court, but she and rick remained hyper-vigilant, especially about her son. you don t get to just say, let s go to the movies. you ve got to scan the parking lot. in early june, when rick saw the news about the shootings of steve pitt and the two paralegals at elizabeth feldman s law firm. he came to an undeniable conclusion. i was certain who it was. it s dwight jones. his first thought was he had to find connie. i immediately start to text her to call me, start calling her phone, i m getting no response. then rick heard about the murder in therapist karen kolbe s office. and he became more concerned. after a tense hour, connie called back. she was okay. rick s next call was to phoenix police. explained to him who i thought was responsible, what his vehicle description was, where he was at, and how the three crime scenes were linked. it was just the tip the cops needed. now they had to find dwight

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:45:00

Now, thanks to a tip from rick anglin, they were getting closer. i m convinced that we re dealing with dwight jones at this point. rick recognized that all the crime scenes related back to dwight and connie s divorce and custody battles from nearly a decade earlier. plus, forensic analysis had already told police all four victims had probably been killed with the same weapon. and there was a critical piece of evidence that might link the weapon to dwight. that bit of dna on a shell casing recovered from the scene of steve pitt s murder. dna tests can take weeks or months. that was time police didn t have. we had some family members of mr. jones that were in northern arizona. with the help of the phoenix police department air unit we flew a detective up there. at the same time, other investigators were on the hunt for dwight. we had a vehicle description for mr. jones. it was a 2001 gold mercedes e320.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:54:00

Of the hotel. police described what happened next. he began firing at them. somewhere between seven and eight rounds were fired. all officers were safe and okay, and eventually in this action, they found that mr. jones had killed himself. self-inflicted gunshot wound. your ex-husband s dead now. yes. do you feel safe finally? yes. with a tremendous amount of courage and with rick s help, connie jones and her son had lived to see her personal terrorist s last i do this earth. but other people were killed, innocent people, good people, productive people, that is a

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:22:00

Undercover. later he became a private investigator. and when he heard about steve pitt s murder, his experience told him it had to be related to his work. anglin knew pitt worked on criminal cases, so the universe of suspects was vast. then he heard about the murders of the two paralegals in scottsdale. and suddenly, that universe shrank. once they announced on the news that it was elizabeth feldman s office, i was certain who it was. you knew? i knew. knew exactly how steve pitt and the feldman law firm were connected and who was behind the murders. rick knew because, years earlier, he d taken on the case of a scottsdale doctor named connie jones. yes. i had my own terrorist, my own personal terrorist. connie was on summer break from college in 1984 when she started dating a young soldier named dwight jones.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:36:00

Forensic psychologist. his interviews with them as part of the custody case. can you spell your name? connie jones. i thought he was exceptional. his report was i thought, very detailed. and accurate. dr. pitt s report matched what rick had come to believe with dwight jones. without psychiatric mental treatment his mental state will unravel and become increasingly paranoid, likely psychotic and pose an even greater risk for perpetrating violence. when dwight s probation ended connie obtained an order of

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:33:00

This morning. this is all in connection to the school shooting in suburban detroit on tuesday. four students were killed, several others were hurt. the shooting suspect, 15-year-old ethan crumbley, is charged as an adult with four counts of first-degree murder, one count of terrorism causing death, seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 12 counts of possession of a firearm. now back to dateline. welcome back to dateline. i m craig melvin. four people had been gunned down just miles apart, and private investigator rick englin was convinced dwight jones was the killer. connie jones managed to escape her husband s rage. here again with unraveled. dr. connie jones spent

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211204 10:39:00

you don t need to be dr. pitt to come up with a determination of what would eventually happen. their worries only increased in 2013 when connie s final protective order against dwight expired and he was able to legally purchase a gun. he told me he would wait until my defenses were down and then he would get me. by then connie had started carrying a gun of her own. rick trained her how to use it if and when the day came that dwight confronted her. i prepared her for it mentally, physically, and emotionally. she s trained for it. the court ordered that dwight get psychological help. there s no evidence he ever complied. instead, dwight isolated himself at this extended stay hotel for years. connie built a successful career as a radiologist. she even wrote a book on breast cancer screening. by 2016 dwight s spousal support had ended. so had the visits with his son. connie no longer had to see her

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