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>> brian: find out what special we're getting in the after the show show. >> we'll see you tomorrow. i'll be back in for gretchen carlson. >> steve: are you sure? >> i will be here. have a great st. patrick's day. now hemmer. is breaking this hour overseas, five americans have just been arrested and face terrorism charges. those five young men from the washington, d.c. area, picked up in pakistan, charged with planning attacks in that country. and the defense lawyer saying the men all muslims face allegation they plan to wage war against pakistan's allies. a lawyer also saying the men pleaded not guilty, face life in prison, if convicted on those charges, and, this latest details on this breaking story, as they come into our newsroom here, this morning. all right, the president says the health care bill will lower premiums, by double digits but will it in the end? and an analysis of the senate bill showing for many americans, that is simply not the case. good morning, everybody, a lot of headlines today, i'm bill hemmer welcome to "america's newsroom" and a welcome to my irish friend here, martha maccallum. martha: i got a little bit of green on this morning, good morning, bill and good to see everybody, i'm martha maccallum and according to this, this is huge, this morning, almost half of all people would see an increase in their premiums, while the other half, would get tax credits, that would help to cover the costs of getting health care, and this while the president insists that his plan will cut premium costs. bill: and ultimately that is the point in all of this, adding to the drama, in addition to that, fallout over nancy pelosi's suggestion she may use a political slight of hand and pass health care without a traditional up-or-down vote in the house and bob cusack leads or coverage, managing editor for the hill, and bob, good morning to you, hopping in that building behind you, and you are trying to contain costs, but you find premiums will rise and in the end, what is it worth? bill: this is, the house is comparing if the bill passes compared to if it doesn't pass and not comparing it to premiums right now. so, a lot of different views, going out there. but, premiums will increase, whether the bill passes or not. the white house says they will increase less. if we pass the bill but it is a mad dash for votes and it will be difficult for her to get the votes by saturday. bill: do they have the votes now or not based on the tally they have now. >> if they voted on it today, they don't have it, they don't have a bill and they have to release the bill and cbo score of the house fixes to the senate bill, and all the procedural stuff and if they want to vote on saturday, pelosi promised her members and the public, 72 hours to review the bill and if we don't see it today there will not be a vote on saturday or she'll -- break the promise. bill: and you mention saturday. why is saturday significant in this, bob? >> because the president leaves for an overseas trip on sunday. and he's been calling members, he's been bringing skeptical democrats into the oval office to make the case and dennis kucinich at 10:00 a.m. will announce whether he'll vote the bill and he has lambasted it over the last couple of days and there is speculation he'll flip and vote yes. we'll see at ten a.m. bill: one of the headlines, trailing into today, from yesterday is the tech nook called deem and pass, where you would not have officially an up-or-down vote on the health care bill in the house. now, i know how this is going over for the republicans. how is it going over on the moderate democratic side, do they like the idea or are they running scared. >> no, they don't like the idea. liberals like the idea, but, some of -- jason all the mire, said he has an open mind and said that on "fox news sunday" and he has been critical of the process and he thinks it is wrong and constituent don't like it and there is a chance they could back away from it and the speaker says it is an option, but as the criticism mounts they could back away from the strategy. bill: altmire was on our program yesterday and he said similar things and represents a moderate district outside of pittsburgh, pennsylvania and, at the moment based on the interview yesterday, he is a no and managing editor for the hill is bob cusack, thank you. good to have you. martha: as bill and bob talked about, the all-important vote-count, could change, by one this morning and it could be a significant one. unless than an hour dennis kucinich will announce, come forward to the microphones and say whether or not he's a yes or a no and his vote could be crucial, the ohio democrat voted against the bill, the first time around. and said recently he'd vote no again and since then, he has been heavily courted by the democratic leadership and got a ride home to ohio, on air force one, with the president, on monday, and the president was there pitching health care reform in kucinich's home state. >> president barack obama: a congressman who is tireless on behalf of working people, dennis kucinich... [cheers and applause]. >> president barack obama: did you hear that, dennis? say that again? martha: that person is really fired up! as you know, every house vote counts. and the magic number, they need to reach is 216. and, we will bring you that as soon as dennis kucinich gets out there to make his announcement. bill: next hour, the health care drama, martha, even jamming the phone lines, on capitol hill, what a day, yesterday. constituents trying to reach lawmakers, met with busy signals time and again and at one point an e-mail was sent out to every member of congress, saying, circuits were near capacity. molly henneberg is on the star in d.c., and how are the phones this morning? >> reporter: hi, bill, i called a number of offices this morning in the house, to see if i could get through and phone lines are clear, no busy signals yet and most offices are just, you know, going to start opening this hour and we'll see if they get jammed up again and the number for the main operator of the house rings but nobody answers and i'm not sure they are open for business yet and probably, this hour they will be and we'll see if that number is jammed today, too. bill: what prompted all of this, molly. >> a couple of possibilities of what happened, there were tea partiers in town and could have been letting more friends home, to call and also, house minority leader john boehner was urging constituents to get involved, and let the congressman or congresswoman know how they'd like them to vote and a number of opponents of health care, attribute the phones being jammed to conservative talk show host, rush limbaugh giving out numbers on his radio show, and web site, yesterday, for the main operator, and, specific offices and here's part of what he said: >> all we can do is continue to have the american people let it be known they want no part of this. the substance of the bill or the process, they don't like it. and, that is why i am urging -- because this is a transformation of our country into something that no one has ever seen it. -- be like and we don't want the transformation to take place, we like america as it was found and don't want to turn it into a third world country. martha: it was busy signal after busy signal and chief administrator of the house sent out an alert during rush's show, saying the system was, quote, nearing capacity. bill: was it mostly -- mainly opponents of health care or were there others from other side, molly? >> reporter: it was both. we really don't know which was the majority. just that there was an overwhelming number of calls, yesterday. and, the house chief administrative officer says he expects a flood of calls, all week, because, of the interest in health care reform and the possible vote, later this week. bill: thank you, molly henneberg live in our bureau in washington, here's martha with more. martha: a "fox news alert" exclusive we'll be glued to and you will, too, today, special report anchor bret baier will interview president obama at the white house. the president as you know has made this week a last push for health care reform. and, bret is going to sit down and ask him a lot of very good, significant questions on this issue and we know you can catch then tour thing, uninterrupt, right -- the entire thing, uninterrupted, at 6:00 p.m. evening and if there is anything you want bret to ask the president, today, please, let those thoughts be known to us. at foxnews.com/special report. you can put in your thoughts on what you would love to hear the president answer today, and, we'll talk to bret, here, in a bit. bill: he put out a note yesterday and within an hour he had thousands and thousands of e-mails and suggestion from viewers, and americans all across the country on what they should talk about. don't miss that later today. in the meantime, nine minutes past the hour we'll read miranda rights to usama bin laden's corpse. those are the words from u.s. attorney general, eric holder, the attorney general igniting debate when he told lawmakers the world's most wanted terrorist will never stand trial in the u.s. why is that, we ask? here's part of the hearing. >> the possibility of -- >> let's -- but, but, we can't -- >> in fin tessible, he'll be killed by us or his own people so he's not captured by us and be know that. bill: that was part of the hearing and holder found himself in the a heated one, a heated argument with congressman robert culberson after he compared bin laden to charles manson and that was eric holder's analogy and more on the testimony, byron york, our political correspondent, from the washington examiner weighs in on his testimony. martha: and minnesota is bracing for major flooding, today more than 200 national guard soldiers will be on the ground there to help control the flooding and the traffic. 28 communities in that state are now in danger of rising waters, and, folks there are starting to get worried. >> at home, and they were sandbagging and it makes me nervous, definitely. >> right now, we don't know how high it will get. we don't need no more -- don't need any rain. martha: kmps has more on this developing weather story, hey, tom. >> reporter: hey, martha, the people are happy to see sunshine today but that means more melting snow, a lot of snow, in the twin cities and we're in downtown st. paul and the flooding potential has move from moderate to major and we're on the mississippi river, downtown in the background and you can see a lot of the ice, flowing done the river and the river is moving quickly, and it is creeping up on ten feet and it doesn't sound like a lot and the flood stage is 14 and they are expected to reach it on the mississippi by monday, which is really early and by tuesday, that is supposed to rise to 17 feet, and 17.5 feet, will get it up this high on the island and would impact the downtown airport, and more of a commuter airport, and national guard units out there as well, have a secondary flood wall they put up when the water rises, and, looking the at 17 feet there, possibly 17.5 feet will put the island partially under water and good news is no homes are on the island, it is basically used for festivals and we have not seen water this high since 1957 and a lot of people are keeping their fingers crossed in downtown st. paul's. martha: we'll cross our fingers as well, thank you very much, tom, we'd like to hear from you, if you have pictures from flooding in minnesota, send them to us at ureport@foxnews.com and stay safe, once you send them in, we'll do our best to post them on-line and on the show. bill: and everyone is irish. martha: we're all irish today. bill: i don't even own a green tie, for crying out loud, i know what to get you for christmas! bill: and a lawmaker takes heat for his undecided vote on health care reform, not just from the white house but constituents from his district. it got ugly outside of his offices on the hill yesterday and we'll show you what happened, we'll hear it, too. martha: and we'll tell you about a place where you can drive 70 miles an hour, without getting stopped, by the police. bill: not bad. martha: good. 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that we did not know before? did it reveal a new side of him or did he reaffirm what many thought about his viewing of the world here? >> actually, bill, we did learn something, and this was a supremely weird moment, when the attorney general said we'd be radioing miranda rights to the corpse of usama bin laden. but, the whole thing was about this issue of civilian trials, versus military trials. for terrorists and we know that the president and the attorney general favor civilian tries and, the republicans said would you give a civilian trial to usama bin laden himself and he said it will never happen, he'll never be taken alive and they said, okay. if he were would you favor a civilian trial and that is when he wouldn't answer and his declaring that usama bin laden would never be captured alive was a way of not answering the question, of whether he would give bin laden a civilian trial. bill: and they continued to press him and he said based on the intelligence i've had to review he will not be captured alive, and not knowing what the intelligence is and he's privy to more than we are but what is the tiein with charles manson. >> he said he was trying to bring up the case of a mass murderer, and, nobody thought that was a very appropriate comparison, given what happened on september 11th, but, again the whole issue of -- republicans are trying to push, was, you know, when you have a civilian trial, unexpected things happen, and, a juror can hold out or a judge can throw out critical evidence and they were saying, would you grant full american constitutional rights to usama bin laden, and, holder said that is a hypothetical, it will never happen and didn't answer it. bill: i rolled part of that hearing yesterday and we have a clip, and, it is not cued up -- i apologize and, it was about why he'd bring up charles manson and he said it was the only mass murderer i could think of at the time but it raised the hackles on the part of republicans and they were baffled by the answers given by the ag. >> look, charles manson was an american who committed a heinous crime in the u.s. it is not really comparable to usama bin laden directing september 11th from a cave in afghanistan. and, that is what republicans have been trying to point out, these cases call for military tribunals and not the granting of full american constitutional rights. so, in every way, the charlie man son comparison just seemed off the wall. bill: off the wall, we leave it there, byron york, thanks for coming in, fascinating hearing, watching it from afar, next... martha. martha: friday was the apology heard practically around the world. tiger woods saying he was sorry for cheating on his wife, and, he then left open, exactly when he might return to the game of golf. so now, the big question: can tiger come back a winner? the pressure is on, to find out. bill: and watch the video, this stakes couldn't have been higher in the poker game. bandits wielding guns and machetes, storm the poker tournament and ripped off $300,000. now, there is an unexpected twist in this case today. 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hit, "sugar, sugar" by the archies. what else would it be and speaking of sugar, pepsico is taking a big stand now against childhood obesity. they are announcing plans to pull all full calorie sugary drinks from schools worldwide over the next couple of years, becoming the first major soda maker to make such a move and laura ingle is live in our new york city newsroom with more on that for us and this is the latest in the battle against the bulge. >> that's right and these companies, that are making these announcements are really in the forefront of what is going on here, as far as fighting obesity. the program, pulling the sugary drinks from schools has been highly successful according to those who have been pushing for it in a joint program, that was launched by the american heart association and the william j. clinton foundation and the american beverage association and pepsico taking the program to the next level announcing the company will remove full-calorie sweetened drinks from all schools the company sells to over the next two years and last week pepsi and the rival, coca-cola, collectively announced an 88% reduction in the shipment of full-calorie drinks, shipped to schools in america. pepsico reps say we have seen the beverage policy of the u.s. and we have a responsibility to ensure students across the globe can benefit from the similar approach and efforts are designed to fight the growing numbers of obese children in the u.s. and many people know if you bring it around, kids will buy it. martha: i thought we were going to a piece of sound, excuse me, and, they are doing more than providing the diet version of the drinks, though, right. >> that's right. and, we are talking about, all kind of different choices, and alternative choice, and if the alternative choices are going to work they have to be good ones in the plan, and talking about pepsi, for example, selling only water, and fat-free or low-fat milk and juice, with no added sugar, in primary schools. and secondary schools, pepsi will add diet sodas into the mix and also sell sport drinks, with a lo-calorie count as well, and something former president clinton thinks will work pretty well. >> working with industry to drive innovation has proved remarkably effective. we know that a healthier school environment can increase student achievement, as well as improve the lives of students and staff. >> reporter: of course, coca-cola is in on this as well, and we have been talking with them, and they have made the statement, saying, that they are following suit, except they'll give schools the choice, if they want sugary drinks, full-calorie drinks, if the schools and the apparently ask for it, they will sell to them worldwide. martha? martha: thank you very much, laura ingle in the newsroom. i don't think we had soda in school when i was growing up. bill: no. probably a good reason why coca-cola and pepsi went to bottle water. martha: i was going to say this own all the companies, too, juice companies and water companies, and we'll sell 'em that! exactly. bill: in a moment two republican leaders say they are 11 votes shy of defeating the massive health care overhaul and one is arizona senator jon kyl and he's here live today at "america's newsroom," and we'll ask him in a moment what he plans to do about it, next. martha: and then there is this: called the game of death. martha: unbelievable. a new tv show, and, shows how far people will go when the cameras are rolling. the reality show you could say actually, it has a twist. we're going to show you more, incredible. imagine. a whole new life for your hair. aveeno nourish plus. active naturals wheat formulas... proven to target and help repair damage in just three washes... for stronger, shinier... hair with life. aveeno nourish plus. martha: republican leaders from congress encouraging those undecided democrats to vote against the health care overhaul and a new "wall street journal"/nbc poll shows this, nearly half of the country, 48% think the plan is a bad idea and were asked, bad idea or good idea, and you can see, 36% think it is a good idea, and arizona senator jon kyl, believes the g.o.p. is 11 votes short of defeating this bill, and the senate minority whip joins me now, senator kyl, always good to have you with us, welcome, sir. >> you bet. martha: what do you think of the deem and pass idea, will it actually happen. >> they appear to be set on using that procedure. it is a little-used procedure, in which they would actually pass the senate bill without ever voting on it. and i really don't understand the purpose of it, because, i'm sure they don't think they can go back to their constituent and say, gee, i never voted for it, somehow it just sort of happened, that it became law. so, i don't think that that works, and i don't quite understand why they would be trying to do it. it seems like every time the american people come out with a new statement or there is a poll that shows they don't support the bill, the democrat leadership has to find a new way to get around public opinion, and i guess this is the latest version. martha: bret baier is going to sit down with the president later on this afternoon and that is one of the big questions, that is out there, is whether or not the president is supportive of the deem and pass rule and what we are hearing, so far from robert gibbs and we heard from tim kaine earlier, we will have a vote, an up-or-down vote and are those things incongruous. >> they are inconsistent, yes, i don't know whether there will be an up-or-down vote or not, but the american people will say that is the last straw, and if you don't even have a vote on the bill and it automatically becomes law, you know, you add it to all the back room deals an kick back and that sort of thing, and, use the reconciliation process, the process gets to be as big an issue as the substance of the bill itself, and let's not forget, as the poll you just mentioned said, it is the substance of the bill itself, here, that is the real problem. the increased tax, that are just a new story from ap this morning about insurance premiums, going up, contrary to what the president says, and, the cuts in medicare, and the government takeover of all of these things, and one last thing, now you know they are adding an education piece to this, where the federal government takes over all student lending, so, if you sinned your child to college, and, you go to the bank for a loan and the bank says, sorry you have to go to the federal government for that. the latest government takeover, now, added to the health care bill. martha: all right, that is interesting. and, as we continue to wrestle with this, i want to bring you what you said, and the president made an error in speaking at the house -- the white house said the other day when he said it would lower insurance rates 3,000 percent and he went back and, he said, no, $3,000 and that is a long way out, i guess, even in their estimates, that $3,000 cut in premiums, and, as you point out, the new study, this morning, says that it wouldn't actually cut your costs at all. >> that is exactly right. and as a matter of fact, the congressional budget office, which is the authority on this, and, this has never been refuted by the president, says that if you are in the individual insurance market, your insurance rates will go up between 10 and 13%. and, if you get it from the employer, they will go up as well. so, this bill doesn't -- >> they say, senator kyl, excuse me, they are saying that that is still less than what would happen if we don't do this. >> they are saying that but experts are saying they are wrong. and the reason is, because what you are doing is shifting the cost of adding new people to the system, to people who are already in the system. and, therefore their premiums will have to go up, you can't add more people in, and have it cost less money. martha: one -- let's talk politics for a moment than "wall street journal" story this morning talks about this. and, their suggestion is that this is really all about, in november -- a november election play and it is very important for democrats, and for the white house, to sort of play closely to their base, if they can't energize their liberal base, they are going to lose those people that really made the difference for president obama, in the first place, and need them to be energized and to be coming out and encouraging others to vote in november or else, they are going to have big, big losses then. do you think that is what this is about? >> i think, it may be what it is about, which would be wrong, of course, we should be concerned about the policy, not the politics. but, i think that is the wrong politics as well. both sides generally turn out their base, and you are right, the base has to turn out, for you to be able to win, but that is not enough to win. you also have to get the majority of the independent votes, and, independent voters now are more than 2-1 opposed to the obama health care legislation. so they may be energizing their base, but, to no aveil because the independent voters will go to the republican side because they don't like the health care bill, they can have both and will appeal to the base, the liberal part of the party and will lose the middle folks and that is a tough, pretty tough call to make, if you are a politician. >> it really is and a lot of it guess back to the fact that their base is loud, noisy. and they don't let people stray very easily, they run primary candidates against them, and senator lincoln in arkansas, for example, who is a relatively moderate democrat. has been supportive of the legislation, but not enough so, according to her left, as a result, the left in the democratic party is running a leftist candidate against her at the primary down there and they play hard ball. martha: before i let you go, briefly, there has been so much talk about rallying those needed democratic votes an dennis kucinich will announce his today, how is it going on your side where you are trying to rally the votes against it to get to 216 on the house side. your compatriots over there. >> yeah. the lead in suggested i thought we were 11 votes short or to the good, i'm not counting the votes in the house of representatives and i don't know for sure. all we're doing is providing information to house democrats, about how it will work in the senate. and they cannot count on either senate republicans or democrats saving their bacon when the bill they pass comes over to the senate. that will not happen. martha: thank you very much for your time today, senator kyl. bill: you can feel the pressure, building by the day and the pressure from the president, party members, constituents back home and lawmakers are still on the fence, voting no on health care and feeling the pressure as this vote gets near. >> get off the fence! just say no. bill: this was one scene outside of a congressman jason altmire's office yesterday, he voted no on the house bill in november and was with us yesterday in "america's newsroom" and said this about his home district. >> i'm listening to my constituent, i'm not going to cast the vote that my constituents are not comfortable with and this issue is too important, for me to just say, hey, i have made my mind up, i don't care what you have to say, i'm going to give them the opportunity to be heard, our phones are ringing off the hook and people are vicious my offices, both in the district, here in washington, and i want to hear what my constituents say before i make my decision. bill: there are two groups of opposing views of the health care bill chanting and holding up signs outside of his office and some shared these thoughts on what is happening. >> i'm a democrat, and i will not vote for him, if he votes for the bill. >> i thought about him being reelected. if he thinks it is, he needs to be returned. because, i am a very -- very upset, like most people are, about the arrogance of politician. >> 50% say they will not vote him back in if he votes for it, we're here to help him to remember to vote no. >> he alienated his base by voting against it in the last vote, they are angry. bill: and he says his fellow democrats are pushing him to vote yes on the bill and that was clear from the interview, yesterday and it is also clear that he is not necessarily going that way. and, tonight you will see bret baier's exclusive interview with president obama from white house. it will air on a special uninterrupted, special edition of special report, at 6:00, eastern time. and bret anchors the show, live from the white house, and there will be a full panel discussion, to follow the interview, don't miss that. later this evening, only here, on the fox news channel. martha: and they'll play a crucial role in operation overseas and despite their appearance they are not part of any military 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[cheering] announcer: campbell's healthy request. martha: more violence on the streets of athens, greek police using stun grenades to disperse thousands of rock-throwing protesters out there after drastic government cutbacks including layoffs and tax increases. and pension freezes, all of this in an effort to slash the country's huge mounting deficit. and, greece warned its budget problems will get worse unless interest rates come down, eu leaders pledge to help carry that debt. >> i do plan to return to golf one day. i just don't know when that day will be. i don't rule out that it will be this year. bill: now we know, tiger woods making the public apology, to the world a month ago saying he didn't know when he'd come back to the game and the come back is set early next month, augusta national in georgia at the masters, he took a four-month hiatus after admitting he cheat on his wife, elin and now there is a lot of speculation over why he chose the masters for his highly anticipated return, a big question leading up to the first swing on the country's most hallowed golf course, will he show up to win or just show up? david dusack, the editor of golf.com, and joins me now, was this predictable or not. >> i didn't think we knew it would happen news, that it would come out but news was breaking slowly, and we were going to get an announcement that he was going to come back... bill: he wouldn't allow the masters -- >> from you a purely golf standpoint, agaus ta national sets up for his game well and the long term goal has been professionally to achieve or surpass jack nicklaus's record of 18 major championships and this year playing at augusta, pebble beach for the u.s. open and st. andrew's for the british open, was laid out before the scandal started and he wants to play. bill: that is the sport side and on the personal side, a big difference, though i'm returning to competition i still have a lot of work to do in my personal life, how his relationship, does anybody know, what are you reporting. >> i don't think anybody knows, the only people that really know, i think are the two key characters in the drama, tiger woods an elin and it has been a short period of time since the statement, in florida, where, you showed at the top of the clip, i'm hoping to come back and i don't rule it out later this year and clearly there has to have been, assume there was a conversation between tiger and elin and they've reached an arrangement in their lives, marriage, family and where he can go out and play golf, i can do what i am going to do, i can do my job and unless the conversation took place -- >> listen there was a strong reference to her a month ago, too. listen to this from mid february. >> elin has shown enormous grace and poise throughout this ordeal. elin deserves praise, not blame. bill: the point you made before we came on the air, david is he is not going out there, without her okay. >> of course. bill: confirmed. >> confirmed, he has not spoke in a word since the scandal erupt and tiger, the only time we have seen him speak was the one statement, and, do we know that happened, and, can we safely assume the marriage, that much counsel and intensive therapy, they must have had the conversation. bill: go back to the golf game, now. what do we understand about the state of his game? >> well, this straight of his game before the scandal broke out he was playing great golf and won a tournament in australia before all of this started and there has not been a physical set back but a mental set back and he's the strongest player in golf and that is the best part of his game and if anyone can overcome this and face the challenges at agust ta an anticipate at -- augusta, and the tournaments afterwards, it would be tiger. bill: you are right. and another comment why he chose agust ta, this is as controlled an environment in a public space as you can find, some of the rules at augusta, no running is allowed on the golf course. >> power walking. bill: you cannot go tom tee-to-tee to beat the spectators if there is a crowd and you can have your badge taken away, your tickets revoked for violating the rules. >> that's correct. bill: this is tough stuff down there. >> this is their way or the highway, a unique sporting event unlike anything else you can march and when people come up and say i finally got to the masters, there is no corporate signage and hospitality tent, it is this tournament and the tournament alone and it is a bastion of sport manship. bill: the reason why they think they can control it better than anybody else. >> you are right. bill: and the cbs sports president said a week ago, my only public is when he comes back it will be other than the obama inauguration, one of, if not the biggest media spectacle in recent memory. >> i agree. bill: really, not an overstatement. >> when he comes back there are so many people globally who are involved, whether they like him or the interest in the scandal or whatever, if he can get something into contentious, over the weekend, he'll get super bowl-time ratings. bill: huge, i'll be watching, david, thank you. you got a question about this, hemmer@foxnews.com and the e-mail, on twitter, follow me,@billhemmer. back across the room now, mar. martha: a flight-mare for passengers on a virgin airlines jet and it was supposed to take five hours and turned into 16 hours to get across the country, in the the air and on the ground and we'll tell you what happened. bill: come on down! if you want to be electrocuted, the bizarre game show taking place in europe, raised a lot of eyebrows and you'll see part of that, in minutes. new york city a town where all walks of life cross paths. a health mart town. here, pharmacist marc brandell practices what he calls, providing programs like "health for heroes" finding ways to fill prescriptions for uninsured rescue workers. community minded care, clinical expertise, it's what makes marc a health mart pharmacist and what makes new york city a health mart town. there are health mart towns across america. find your locally owd health mar at healthmart.com or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. martha: all right, here we go with this story, the game of death. okay? it is a bizarre, new tv show, in france, and it has they'll trappings of a traditional game show but the contestants don't know if they are part of a psychological experiment, greg palkot joins us from london with more on this, greg, we have showing teases of the video and it is awful-looking. >> reporter: bizarre, martha, in a wore, bizarre. and now it is meant to show the manipulative power of authority, tv, the strange nature of reality tv shows and it did that and then some. the french producers were actually mocking up a game show, the contestants were posed question and then, they were to give the command, for a switch to be thrown, a fellow on the hot seat literally would appear to get up to 420 volts of electricity sent through him, and the audience of the game show, would shout, punish him, punish him, look and listen: >> reporter: shocking indeed. contestants and audience again, weren't real and thought the game show was real and the guy on the hot seat was an -- were real and the guy on the hot seat was an actor and they thought he was to the point of dying and 19% of the contestants, refused to do it, and, a shocking 81%, went through with it. martha: gosh, they haven't had this much fun since the guillotine, i guess, right? bill: you got that. martha: what is the reaction to this in france. >> reporter: the producers, said they were updating a classic psychological experiment and actually run in the states 50 years ago and the french were taken aback and a top commentator i spoke to, a short time ago, called it stupid, and crazy. the french newspapers dubbed it a bothering and unethical, actually, martha, it was run on the french government owned television channels, with no word of what president sarkozy thought about it, and, while some have likened it to how some folks obeyed the nazis during world war ii, including some folks in france, no comment on a particularly french response to deadly commands and i suppose it is worrying for all of us, martha. martha: it is disturbing, that people wanted those shocks to continue when they thought they were real, disturbing and odd, greg palkot, thank you very much. bill: thanks. martha: reporting from london. bill: and, they need to get some new ideas. martha: what to do with the cast-offs, right? bill: we are moments away from a major announcement hope to push to get health care through. veteran democratic congressman dennis kucinich voted no before and said he wouldn't vote for a bill without a strong public option. he's gotten this full court press from the white house, will he change his mind, and, vote yes? we'll find out live, together in minutes. martha: one vote we'll hear about together and it is california's dirty little secret, what is waiting for real on the ocean floor, may shock you. 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that's a live look at capitol hill where the spotlight today is somewhat unlikely, but it is on dennis kucinich today, very clearly, from ohio. he's a democrat who voted no, he's a person who's been known to stick to his guns, he is set to announce any second, now, how he will vote this time around. check out what he told fox news just two weeks ago. >> anytime i can support the president, i'd like to. i just, except on this bill, i signed a commitment with 77 other members of congress saying that if there was not a robust public option in the health care bill that was presented to the house, i wouldn't vote for it. bill: so will he change his mind or not? this is the running tally. as of now we believe they're five votes short of 216, the magic number needed. the president and leading democrats still insisting they will have enough to pass the bill. martha: so if they do, could that count come this weekend, and why all the talk about political magic tricks to make that happen? that is how we start a brand new hour today on this wednesday of "america's newsroom." bill: kucinich during the debate was the last time -- martha: last time he got this kind of attention. bill: man, oh, man. democrats said to be considering at least two back door maneuvers for passing health care reform without a straight up and down vote in the house. martha: that's right. carl cameron is watch it for us. dennis kucinich threatened to vote no because there was no public option, that has been his main, huge sticking point, really, can he turn around on that this morning? >> reporter: that's what we're waiting to find out. he certainly could. it would be uncharacteristic. he considers himself a champion of ideology and is not one who has compromised on his left liberal principles for years, and it's sort of elevated his prominence in democratic politics to the point where he did run for president against barack obama and acquitted himself pretty well in an awful lot of health care debates in which his voice for that public option was one of the loudest. so for him to vote against this bill would be against principle but in real conflict with what liberals and democrats see as the crown jewel of their agenda, passing health care. since this the closest thing to universal health care, kucinich is confronted with the dilemma, the conflict of whether to accept half a loaf or vote no and risk the possibility of no loaf. martha: yeah, you know, i mean, if he gets out there today, carl, and he says no, i still cannot do this, that has to be an undermining effect for what has been seen, now, as a real appeal to the liberal left to get this passed. >> reporter: well, and mr. kucinich got the benefit of an air force one flight not too long ago in ohio,. martha: indeed, he did. >> reporter: he's been courted excessively, he recognizes that, and he's now going to speak to his constituents. i mean, there's two situations here. one he comes out and says, look, i'm not voting for it, and i'm sticking to my originally-stated principles, or he comes out and says, look, i'm flip-flopping, and i wanted to sit in front of everybody so my constituents can understand my reasoning why. either way, dennis kucinich is one to take it on the chin regardless and throw a few good punches himself, so given the opportunity in just a matter of minutes, he'll explain it, and it will send a signal to the liberal left. if he says that this bill is inadequate, we're going to hear more criticism on the president's left. there's no secret that the democratic party is fractured and that there's a tremendous percentage of the democratic base that believes that democrats essentially caved in on this. and by abandoning the notion of a public option, a government-run insurance program, by not chasing after if not achieving truly universal single-payer health care, that barack obama didn't live up to his campaign promises. it's true hillary clinton's promises were a lot more aggressive, but obama promised a lot more than is being contemplated. martha: we look at the budget, the public option was really one of the main ways to get there in terms of cost savings, and once he took that out, it raised a whole lot of new questions about how you pay for this about that public option. the math was a little different then, so what is the math, we're still waiting for cbo math on this bill, right? >> reporter: we are. and on the cost of the public option, i think that you'd find that the cbo would argue it actually did contribute to more expense. and expense is really the fundamental problem. when you talk about waiting on the cbo numbers, it's kind of interesting to watch the debate nationwide. democrats have let it be known that what's holding up their final version of the reconciliation package of fixes and the cbo cost is essentially they want to reduce the deficit more. but when they say -- martha: carl, he -- >> reporter: he has? martha: thank you, carl. we're going to listen in. >> how to provide for the health of the people of our nation, and each generation has grappled with difficult questions of how to meet the needs of our people. i believe health care is a civil right. each time as a nation we have reached to expand our basic rights, we've witnessed a slow and painful unfolding of a democratic pageant of striving, of resistance, of breakthroughs, of opposition, of unrelenting efforts and of eventual triumph. i've spent my life struggling for the rights of working-class people and for health care. i grew up understanding firsthand what it meant for families who did not get access to needed care. i lived in 21 different places by the time i was 17, including a couple cars. i understand the connection between poverty and poor health care. the deeper meaning of what native americans call whole in the body, whole in the spirit. i struggled with crohn's disease most of my adult life. i discovered 16 years ago a near cure in alternative medicine and through following a plant-based diet. i've learned with difficulty the benefits of taking charge personally of my own health care, and i know as few exceptions when i needed it, i've had access to the best practitioners. as a result, i've received the benefits of vitality and high energy. health and health care is personal. for each one of us. as a former surgical technician, i know that there are many people who dedicate their lives to helping improve others' lives. i also know their struggles with an insufficient health care system. there are those who believe that health care is a privilege based on ability to pay. this is the model president obama is dealing with. attempting to open up health care to another 30 million people. within the context of a for-profit insurance system. there are others who believe that health care is a basic right and ought to be provided through a not-for-profit plan. this is what i have tirelessly advocated. i carried the banner of national health care in two presidential campaigns, in party platform meetings and as co-author of h.r. 676, medicare for all. i've worked to expand the health care debate beyond the current for-profit system to include a public option and an amendment to free the states to pursue single payer. the first version of the health care bill, while badly flawed, contained provisions which i believe made the bill worth supporting in committee. the provisions were taken out of the bill after it passed committee. i joined with the progressive caucus saying that i would not support the bill unless it had a strong public option and unless it protected the right of people to pursue single-payer at a state level. it did not. i kept my pledge and voted against the bill. i've continued to oppose it while trying to get provisions, those provisions back into the bill. some have speculated that i may be, this time, in a position of casting the deciding vote. the president's visit to my district on monday underscored the urgency of this moment. i have taken this fight farther or than many in congress cared to carry it because i know what my constituents experience on a daily basis. come to my district in cleveland, and you will understand. the people of ohio's tenth district have been hard hit by an economy where wealth has accelerated upwards through plant closings, massive unemployment, small business failings, lack of access to credit, foreclosures and the high cost of health care and limited access to care. i take my responsibility to the people of my district personally. the focus of my district office is constituent service which more often than not involves social work to help people survive economic perils. it also involves intervening with insurance companies. in the past week it's become clear that the vote on the final health care bill will be very close. i take this vote with the utmost seriousness. i'm quite aware of the historic fight which has lasted the better part of the last century to bring america in line with other modern democracies in providing single-payer health care. i've seen the political pressures and the financial pressure being asserted to prevent a minimal recognition of this right, even within the context of a system dominated by private insurance companies. i know i have to make a decision not on the bill as i would like to see it, but as it is. my criticism of the legislation has been well reported. i do not retract those criticism s, i incorporate them into the statement. they stand as legitimate and cautionary. i have doubts about this bill. i do not think it is a step toward anything i've supported in the past. this is not the bill i wanted to support. each as i continue -- even as i continue efforts up to the last minute to try to modify the bill. however, after careful discussions with president obama, speaker pelosi, my wife elizabeth and close friends, i've decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation. if my vote is to be counted, let it count now for passage of the bill. hopefully, in the direction of comprehensive health care reform. we must include coverage for those excluded from this bill. we must free the states, we must have control over private insurance companies and the costs their very existence imposes on american families. we must strive to provide a significant place for alternative and complimentary medicine, religious health science practice, and the personal responsibility aspects of health care which include diet, nutrition and exercise. the health care debate has been severely hampered by fear, by myths and by hyperparse sanship -- hyperpartisanship. the president clearly does not advocate socialism or a government takeover of health care. the fear that this legislation has engendered has deep roots not in foreign ideology, but in a lack of confidence, a timidity, a mistrust and fear which post-9/11 america has not been able to shake. this fear has so infected our politics, our economics and our international relations that as a nation we're losing sight of the expanded vision, the electrifying potential we caught. when we caught a glimpse of the potential of the election of president obama. the transformational potential of his presidency and of ourselves can still be courageously summoned in ways that will reconnect america to our hopes for expanded opportunities for jobs, housing, education, peace and, yes, health care. i want to thank those -- martha: all right. dennis kucinich making it very clear that the president had a lot of persuasive power over him in the last several days. he's had an opportunity to speak with him, and now dennis kucinich will be a yes vote on the current health bill. he says, this is not the bill i wanted, this is not the bill that i was hoping for, but it is the bill. in other words, you know, we'll take what we can get now, and we'll move forward from there. so he is the first no vote, we believe, to switch to a yes, and we know there are several yes, s that may now be nos. that is a plus in the president's column. bill: that's a major flip-flop based on what he told our producer just two weeks ago. in a few hours, bret baier sits down with the president for an exclusive one-on-one, and bret is with me now from d.c. >> good morning, bill. bill: it appeared on monday from afar that the white house strategy was shifting. instead of going for those moderate democrats in the house and trying to flip their votes, the ones who were concerned about the abortion amendment, instead they went for the or far left flank and guys like dennis kucinich, and that's when we saw the rally on monday in cleveland, ohio. and during that rally there was a gentleman there in the audience that said, vote for the bill, and there was a flat-out appeal to dennis kucinich to change his mind. i want to roll that for you, and i'll get you to respond here from monday. >> yeah. well -- okay. >> your own congressman who is tireless on behalf of working people, dennis kucinich -- [cheers and applause] >> vote yes! >> did you hear that, dennis? [laughter] say that again. >> vote yes! bill: so that was monday. were you hearing the white house thought they had a pretty good chance to flip him? >> yeah, listen, bill, we gave a lot of time to dennis kucinich this morning and the president did at that event, but many in washington didn't believe the drama around kucinich would pan out. the real drama would be if he had said, no, i'm going to vote against this bill. of all the pool of democratic lawmakers that nancy pelosi has to go after, the progressive liberals seemed like they were most apt to change their vote from no to yes. the big question is the moderate democrats, the blue dog democrats, the fiscally-tive democrats. when they get this congressional budget office score, whatever it turns out to be and we expect it today, it could affect those votes, and that's the big pool -- not even talking about the pro-life democrats that we've spent a lot of time -- bill: that's a great point, yeah. i heard you on special report last night. i think you fired out an e-mail on our web site at foxnews.com, and you said within minutes you had thousands of ideas and e-mails and questions and thoughts which tells me right away this is an issue that americans are dialed in on. and i'm not so sure that the lawmakers based on their history on the hill behind you that there has been another issue that has come before them where people have just been focused and dialed in to try and figure out how it affects them. your view on what you're hearing online. >> 15,000. 15,000 e-mails from our suggested to solicit viewer questions for this interview with president obama. 15,000 people took the time to write questions. a large majority of them are about health care reform, and many of those are about this process that a majority of those think is pretty ugly and this whole deeming the bill, the senate bill, as passed and the machinations as they're going on. take a look at the web site. we've been going through these 15,000 e-mails, there's some great questions in there, really smart questions, and i'm going to bring a few of them into the interview with president obama and ask them directly. bill: very much looking forward to it. we'll see is it later tonight at 6:00, full panel to follow. one hour uninterrupted, our bret baier sits down with the president at a critical time for this health care reform debate. you'll see it only here on the fox news channel. good luck, we'll see you later tonight. >> thanks, buddy. martha: the democrats say they have the votes to get this health care bill passed, but one leader on the left, james clyburn, saying they're not there just yet. a fellow democrat who says clyburn's dead wrong are. all right. so who's right and who's wrong? bill: also toyota, you know the issues the japanese automaker has had in the u.s., the crucial problem that has honda recalling half a million vehicles. martha: and what's the issue down there under the sea? it's not exactly an octopus' garden, you might say, where experts say it looks more like sanford and son down there. we'll be right back. ♪ dirty deeds done dirt cheap. ♪ dirty deeds done dirt cheap eating healthy is important, but only vegetables can give you vegetable nutrition. one of these will get you more than half way to your five daily servings. v8. what's your number? how about a coastal soup and grilled shrimp salad combination? or maybe our new savory shrimp jambalaya. seafood lunches starting at just $6.99 at red lobster. martha: all right. a fox news alert on this morning of the biggest week in this entire health care discussion, folks. it feels like a long ride, and it has been, but today we have a no that has now turned to a yes in the form of dennis kucinich, okay? we just watched him moments ago as he let everybody know although he said no public option or you won't get my vote, today he changed his mind. he said this has been the cause of his life, and he wants to sign on after some intense discussions with president obama. connecticut congressman john larson is the chairman of the house democratic caucus, and he joins us now. representative, welcome. it's good to have you here this morning. >> top of the morning to you. martha: well, thank you, sir. >> happy st. patrick's day. martha: to you as well. thank you for being with us. you were always a yes vote, you remain a yes vote, correct? >> that's correct. i am a yes vote, remain a yes vote, and we're going to have the votes, and hopefully we're going to be able to vote this weekend. martha: when you say we're going to have the vote, do you mean we should ignore all this talk about deem and pass? >> well, all that is is something that newt gingrich and dennis hastert used about 100 times apiece. really when you look at it in perspective, had this bill gone through the committee process, gone into the normal conference that we have, it'd be amended and come to the floor. what we're doing is amending this bill through reconciliation and passing it on to the president. so it's really a practice that's been utilized, i think, far overblown. the important thing here is that the process that the american people are concerned about is the process that, you know, hikes their insurance rates and the process that finds their insurance policies rescinded from them once they've got coverage. martha: let me just back up, sir, if the we may. you know, you're glossing over this passage a bit, i think, and, yes, it has been used before, hundreds is a bit of an overstatement -- >> well, no, the record pretty much demonstrates hundreds of times -- martha: let's start from scratch because we're dealing with a remake of the huge segment of the economy, and there are a lot of people upset about this idea that it won't be a vote on the floor and that people wouldn't be held accountable necessarily for that vote on the floor if they use this deem and pass thing, this deem and pass procedure. it feels like a bit of a magic sort of thing. >> there's not. [laughter] there's no way that anyone on the floor doesn't understand what they're passing here. this is about health care reform. this is about helping out american people. you know, we just heard from dennis kucinich. what turned him around was a personal plea. we're hearing this all across america. dennis moore stood up yesterday in our caucus all choked up talking about how a person who works for him, a congressman who's not running next year, is going to lose her job and has just been diagnosed with cancer and won't have coverage and will be turned down. that's the issue, and it's a question of whose side you're on. on the side of the people and making sure they get coverage or on the side of the insurance industry, and that's what this vote is about. martha: then how do you, you know, how does it sit with you when you look at polls, and i know you can say, oh, polls don't matter, but we see so many of them -- >> well, go into the internals of the poll. martha: 48% of the people don't like this plan. if you ask them if they want health care reform, they all say yes -- >> this process for over a year, anyone who's looked at this process for over a year is certainly unhappy and dissatisfied with it, but when you break down the internals, when you talk to the elderly about closing the doughnut hole, having no more screenings being a part of their co-pay, keeping your children on the policy until they're age 26, no rescinding of insurance policies, you can't be on a gurney on the way to the hospital and have your company revoke your insurance. that's what this fight is about. martha: all right. john larson, we thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us. >> thank you for having me on. martha: we're all watching very closely as are the american people. >> enjoy the rest of the day. martha: you too, sir. thank you for coming in. bill: still don't know what this bill's going to cost. we were told the cbo would have a number out late yesterday afternoon, that did not happen. martha: now we're hearing today. bill: yes. so we wait. martha: once again. bill: in the meantime, there's a brazen heist, thieves making off with millions of prescription drugs, and wait until you hear how they pulled this one off. stuck on a plane for hours because of bad weather, happens all the time, right? well, not like this. here's the cell phone video as passengers circled for hours and hours, then stuck on the tarmac of another airport for hours and hours. the complaint and the food rationing and a 16-hour nightmare. what to do if this is you. >> i would say what it looks like based on the forecast, now, remember, this is a forecast, it's kind of -- [ birds reech ] [ loud rumbling ] [ rifle fires ] [ announcer ] if you think about it, this is what makes theladders different... from other job search sites. we only want the big jobs. join theladders.com. a premium job site for only $100k+ jobs... and only $100k+ talent. martha: chasing down taliban drug lords in afghanistan. is of course, very dangerous duty. and, fox news contributor lieutenant colonel oliver north is imbedded with the special-ops forces and dea agents on the ground there and brings us this fascinating look at how they train for this kind of work. to take down the country's opium industry. take a look: >> reporter: we're at the u.s. special operations base in afghanistan. for the next several weeks, we are going to be imbedded with special operations and dea units, chasing down the narcoterrorists. and just to qualify to become part of the group, they have to endure some absolutely extraordinary training. here's what it looks like. >> what you see behind me is some of the toughest military training in any branch of the armed forces. these aren't soldiers, sailors and airmen and marines, they are part of a dea force, advisory support team and are soon to deploy overseas, and this is part of how they qualify. outside of kabul, afghanistan, i'm oliver north, for fox news. martha: our thanks to colonel oliver north, and we look forward to his future reports while he's imbedded with the special-ops force over the course of the next few weeks, and the fbi is investigating a bold heist at a connecticut warehouse that read more like a movie script. thieves cut a hole into the roof of the warehouse, and it was owned by eli lilly, stealing $75 million worth of prescription drugs. >> it was a brazen, well-planned crime. it appears as though the criminals broke in through the roof, rappelled down through the roof and disarmed the alarm and then, proceeded to steal several dozen palates of pharmaceutical products which were loaded onto a truck and, then taken. martha: wow, those are valuable on the street, these days and police have a number of leads including surveillance video they hope will lead them to the suspects. bill: if you are traveling, check out this story, a cross-county flight, turns into a 16 hour flight-mare, high winds, forcing a flight to circle j.f.k. for hours and one passenger recorded on his cell phone the scene from this plane, here it is, here's what happened, this plane leaves l.a., 7:00 a.m. pacific time and finally lands at stewart airport, 90 miles north of new york city and passengers waited on the tarmac for five hours and from there, passengers got on a bus and rode two-and-a-half hours, arriving in j.f.k. on the ground around 3:00 a.m., sunday. and what is worse, passengers claimed they had to do the work, on board the flight, when the crew got testy. this is from earlier. >> take some of the passengers to the side and calm them down and those crying and those who wanted to -- afraid of taking off and trying to land, 70 mile-an-hour winds, at j.f.k. bill: and kate hannah is the executive director with flyers rights.org and good morning to you, i thought there were laws to prevent this. >> good morning. bill: weren't we moving forward on that for passengers across the country. >> we are now, the senate, right now has our bill on the floor, since last thursday and we expect a vote, tomorrow night, and, we expect -- or friday morning and we expect to have the law signed within the next couple of weeks. bill: what would the law do then? >> this law would protect -- help protect in every aspect of their trip, from the time they landed on the ground. so, they would have had access to potable water, adequate food, they would have had hygienic toilets, and, toilet service and temperature control and ac to medication and they -- access to medication and the coveted ability to get off of the plane, after three hours. there is no excuse for this kind of event, continuing to happen, my family was nine hours and 17 minutes on the tarmac in and almost identical situation in austin, texas three years ago and we have been fighting every day for the law and it is about time. bill: they were saying that they offered you 8 almonds or 4 to 5 pringles and had no food or water on the plenty and virgin is aggressive on the pr end of this and really reached out to the passengers, and kind of a model, a little bit, on the -- this is part of what they say, terrible weather conditions, that night and quickly changing forecasts from air traffic control, and had to make difficult decisions whether to continue or cancel, regardless we agree that we needed to have done a better job, and -- in handling our guests and making them feel comfortable, and some of the passengers accepted that and they say, it is cool with us, at least you admit it. all the other -- well, sorry. overstatement, a lot of other airlines don't even go that far, kate. >> no, they don't, virgin actually has a strong commitment to customer service, and, i fly virgin almost exclusively, because their customers service is excellent but this clearly was a break down and you can tell the flight attendants were not well trained to handle the situation and were not getting enough communication from management about how they were going to handle this. and, also, i think, this is sort of a "wake-up call" for virgin. to say, wow we have to have a contingency plan, if we are diverted to another airport, so we can take care of the passengers, that is what was missing. >> nobody want anything to go wrong in those kinds of conditions and as you point out, perhaps changing laws to give passengers more rights, in the meantime, i have four or five pringles for you in new york, kate. >> i'm hungry! bill: and you know, for st. patrick's day, we'll give you the green ones! martha: green pringles! >> yea! martha: we'll fight about those on the way to d.c. sharing those! shocking images from the ocean floor. not what you expect, revealing a dirty little secret off the california coast. a vast underwater junkyard. as deep as 1100 feet down, and, you know, e what they are finding, radiators, a kitchen sink, and last year's christmas decorations, and i wondered what happened to those, adam housely is live from del ray, california, what is going on down there? >> reporter: they also found unexploded military shells, believe it or not and the idea was, in years past they've done the studies and usually, close to shore, where the water is shallow and what they try to do is go if your south, as deep as 1100 feet, between monterrey bay to the north and to the south the long beach harbor and you might imagine, they got into more remote areas, and found stuff but found things as deep as 1100 feet in the remote areas and the most trash was areas like this, where you have a channel that dumps into ocean. martha: some of those pictures have pretty things growing on top of them now. natural sea life and what are the scientist most concerned about with the garbage down there? >> well, first of all, some of it is turned into homes by sea life and a bucket may be might become an artificial reef but, some of the trash might seep oil or other chemicals into the water and a second problem is, some of it is so deep it is impossible to remove and in fact most of the stuff out there cannot be removed and it would do more damage to the environment, for them to try and get it out than it will to leave it there. martha: all right. let's hope people stop dumping that in the first place. adam, thank you very much, adam housely. under the sea. bill: probably find pringles down there... martha: probably have pringles down there, right. bill: nicely done, 21 minutes before the hour. more where that came from, and a question now, usama bin laden, if he were captured tomorrow would high be tried as a civilian or war criminal, attorney general eric holder says that is a nonissue and why he says the world's most want man will never stand trial. >> and if you think congress is more like a three-ring circus these days, you may be right about that. don't adjust your set. think elephants, on capitol hill! no psychedelic drugs in sight. those are for real! 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why suggest that he would never be caught alive when you have ksm, caught alive, saddam hussein, caught alive and it is certainly a possibility. does it not deserve an answer. >> it is' very, very, very small possibility. there has been much written about the fact that usama bin laden is -- sit up so he'll never be captured alive when he -- he's always surrounded by people who, basically, you know, are instructed to, you know, if he's sleeping he's surrounded by explosives so he'll blow up before he's caught. he's made it clear he will not be caught alive. so i think that that is an accurate thing to say. and if we want -- but i don't have any problem with them saying that if he is caught alive, they bill put him into a civilian trial. that is what would be appropriate and what they should say, he's not part of an organized army, not the geneva convention didn't apply to those in gitmo, they were not part of an organized army and now to put them into a military tribunal, it doesn't add up. martha: there is something curious about how he responded to the question, most lawyers, always want to give you, if a happens, this is what happens an b happens, every possibility and it is unlikely lawyer, generally, to sort of make an assumption it will never happen and we don't have to be prepared for it. >> look, i mean, first of all, no one can guarantee that he will be killed upon capture and maybe he has plans to kill himself before he's captured but how do you know he's going to be able to carry them out or they don't go wrong. and i mean, what are we supposed to do, if we are actually at this point of company tour and he surrenders are -- capture and surrenders, are we supposed to execute him so eric holder will not be faced with the difficult question whether to mirandize him or not, it is ridiculous and childish and the reason he in ss cysted on this -- insisted on this, is he believes usama bin laden believes all the privileges and rights of the u.s. citizen in our criminal justice system. and, that just doesn't fly politically, and he's been getting beaten about the head and shoulders, politically over this since the ksm trial and doesn't want to admit it. and he'll say, he'll be killed no matter what. martha: he has been having a tough time as it has been playing out on capitol hill and the press as well, and there is an exchange in which he compares usama bin laden and said she should be compared to charles manson-like murderer and we'll with kirsten then to get your thoughts. >> the question is are they being treated as murderers. would be treated. and the answer to that question is, yes. they have the same rights that a charles manson would have. any other kind of mass murderer. those are the comparisons, people should be making. martha: nevertheless, a lot of people have a problem with that, and they say, no, charles manson was, you know, a serial killer, mass murderer, and, who did horrible, horrible things. these other guys are terrorists, who are part of a war of jihad they are raised and steeped in who want to kill us in a war on terror. that is what people have a hard time justifying. >> people are -- they feel that way and i understand why people have those feelings but we don't make our decision about how we prosecute people based on people's emotion, we base it on the rule of law and i always go to judge napolitano, the chief legal analyst at fox news and he's quite clear about the fact that the constitution applies to any person in the u.s., the supreme court ruled that, those are the facts and it's not based on emotion, not based on what is good for barack obama's re-election. you know, it is based on the rule of law. it may be uncomfortable. it may make people upset but that is the way we run our country. >> not the way we've treat war criminals in the past, right, rich? >> of course not. look, this is ridiculous, charles manson is a heinous man who commit heinous crimes and he is a u.s. citizen and, when you capture him you mirandize him and give him a lawyer and those rights an privileges do not apply to a foreign jihadist waging war against the u.s., captured overseas. he's outside of those -- that system, and outside of those rules and never before in american history, have we even considered taking an enemy combatant and bringing him into the u.s. system of justice and this is unprecedented, and is a product of a left wing ideology. martha: thanks, you guys, very much, good to have you here, kirsten powers in d.c. today and rich lowry in our newsroom. >> see you soon. bill: just this hour, an important no vote on health care switching to the yes column, is this enough to tip the scales for the president on health care reform? the latest tally, live from capitol hill and where we believe the votes are today, after this man flipped, moments ago. top of the hour for that. >> and each generation grappled... pa paefpaef  ♪ ♪ elephants on parade... martha: all right, some people may think the capitol is a circus-like atmosphere and yesterday it was a circus, look at this, a parade of elephants made its way to the capitol building as part of the ringling brothers and barnum and bailey circus. love those. bill: makes for a hot show, and, the three-ring circus and serious news, overseas and and fundamentalist clerics, are not given a platform and in a region where religious tensions run high there is a more relaxed at ought to in syria. amy kellogg, joins us live in london, why is it the case there, amy. >> reporter: i think, because all three monotheistic religions have deep roots in syria but what is important to point out is syria kids support for hamas and hezbollah to be political rather than religious and damascus bans religious parties from playing in syrian politics because they are very worried about fundamentalism, coming to that country. now, funny, all of the three monotheistic religions have deep roots in syria and the attitude toward worship is quite relaxed and this is a christian convent outside damascus and one of the only towns in the world where aramaic, the language of jesus christ is still spoken and miracles are attributed to the statin of the convent and any given day you will find a wide variety of pilgrims seeking cures or satisfying curiosity from shiite pilgrims to christians from the u.s., and one of this most important mosques in islam is the umiad mosque in damascus yet it welcomes people from all faiths and many muslims believe jesus will actually return one day to damascus, and will descend on one of the minarets hear and the mosques used to be a cathedral and before that a roman temple was on the site and the tomb of st. john the baptist is in the mosque and you can see it here with groan windows and muslims, upon finishing their pride prayers top there for respect and they say, it gives them common cause with the u.s. >> we have a problem with radicals who use the name of islam, pervert the name of islam, groups like al qaeda and this is one of the things we have plenty of common ground, with the u.s. and a lot can be done in counterterrorism, particularly, on iraq. >> reporter: counterterrorism, bill, is one of the areas where syria and the u.s. are trying to work together, you know, there has really been a ratcheting up of diplomatic relation between the countries and when i was in damascus there were counterterrorism expert from the state department, there, working with people, so, it will be interesting to see if this religious tolerance can actually bridge political gaps and end up being something the u.s. and syria can work together on. bill: we'll watch the changing face of syria. amy kellogg, good reporting, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. martha: breaking news out of pakistan, five americans arrested there, and charged with terrorism. what they are accused of plotting, will shock you. that is next. 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