that way and instead had heard, call rod, there are conflicts, mueller has to go. the president asked mcgahn whether he would do a correction and mcgahn said no. mcgahn thought the president was testing his mettle to see how committed mcgahn was to what happened. we should further point out a critical single sentence in this mueller report. it says the following. it says, mcgahn is a credible witness with no motive to lie or exaggerate given the position he held in the white house. coming up, as we continue, the mueller report offers new insight into one of the more memorable and unique figures from the russia investigation. more on what we ve now learned about george pap acap owe will you say, when this special edition of the 11th hour continues. the 11th hour continues. limu emu & doug
that day, that some of our contemporaneous analysis and comments about the report you were reading to us live, i think we last heard on that day. they kind of went away in the morass of information. and i don t want to drag you into the area of opinion, but can it be said clinically that congress is still perhaps finding its sea legs, in some quarters realizing the power it has and trying to decide if it s worth exerting that power? there were a number of allegations, particularly on the issues of object strustructiono robert mueller clearly laid out. he had a lot of cooperation from the president s former white house counsel don mcgahn on efforts the president made to try to fire robert mueller and then to cover up his efforts to fire robert mueller. and there are a number of trump
campaign associates who were involved, who met with russians, even if they didn t take anything of value, but especially on the obstruction case. robert mueller laid out so much evidence, almost as a roadmap, and then he clearly said that that was an avenue best suited not for the criminal justice system, hint, hint, congress, when he made that one public appearance. so i think that the special counsel s office really left that open to congress. and at this point, i think it s a matter of whether congress decides they ve had enough to start down that road, because if it doesn t end in impeachment, they could of course be accused of beating a dead horse, going over something that robert mueller didn t find, if they aren t able to actually explain the narrative that no, they actually have tools that robert mueller did not have. two of our consensus, most valuable players around here, julia ainsley and frank figliuzzi, our thanks to both of you for joining us on this broadcast. when w
the special counsel. in the report, mcgahn testified the president called him twice mid-june of 2017. mcgahn said both times trump directed him to call rod rosenstein and tell him mueller was conflicted and could not serve as special counsel. and here now is how the report explains it. and we quote. when the president called mcgahn a second time to follow up on the order to call the department of justice, mcgahn recalled that the president was more direct, saying something like call rod, tell rod that mueller has conflicts and can t be the special counsel. mcgahn recalled the president telling him, mueller has to go, and call me back when you do it. mcgahn understood the president to be saying that the special counsel had to be removed by rosenstein. mcgahn of course never followed through on that. and in fact the report says he wanted to resign but ended up staying on the job. well, fast forward, january 25th
of 2018, that s the day the nonew york times reported that trump had ordered mcgahn to fire mueller. quote, mcgahn recalled the president said, everyone said to fire mueller, i never said fire. this story doesn t look good. you need to correct this. you re the white house counsel. in response, mcgahn acknowledged that he had not told the president directly that he planned to resign, but that the story was otherwise accurate. the president asked mcgahn, did i say the word fire? mcgahn responded, what you said is, call rod rosenstein, tell rod that mueller has conflicts and can t be the special counsel. the president responded, i never said that. the president said he merely wanted mcgahn to raise the conflicts issue with rosenstein and leave it to him to decide what to do. mcgahn told the president he did not understand the conversation