had to be rescued. the federal government is looking into a series of fatal shootings by philadelphia police. elaine quijano tells us the investigation was requested by the police commissioner. >> i take this very, very seriously. >> good girl! >> reporter: and chip reid with s with dogs learning to be an even better friend to man. >> it would be accurate to say that these dogs save sflooifs >> absolutely. i believe they do. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> o'donnell: good evening, scott is on assignment, i'm norah o'donnell. hundreds of people in southern california have been chased out of their homes by a wild fire is growing larger by the minute. the fire 90 miles east of los angeles covers more than 15 square miles. fire officials estimate 15 structures have been destroyed, 600 homes are in the fire's path
1,500 people have been forced to evacuate. at least five people have been injured, including four firefighters. ben tracy is on the scene. ben? >> reporter: norah, firefighters told us the most active part of this fire right now is right here. here's what's fueling it: vegetation all up and down these hillsides that's dried out from drought. 1,000 firefighters are now battling this blaze both on the ground and in the air. it's what they call a dirty burn meaning the fire burns sporadically because of the winds. so today crews were cutting out what the fire did not burn and doubting what it did to prevent flare-ups. before dawn we saw these backfires set by firefighters to burn out brush on the hillsides and create larger containment lines. firefighter gordon o'neil. >> it turns to black, which won't burn anymore, it widens that line out. and it removes the fuel that's
available to burn. >> reporter: you're fighting the fire with fire. the fire started wednesday afternoon fueled by steady winds and bone-dry brush that hadn't burned in seven years. it exploded from 300 acres to 5,000 acres in about three hours. it then doubled in size overnight, scorching 10,000 acres and more than a dozen struck qhurs. >> oh, there it goes. >> we didn't think it was coming this way then instantedly whole mountain caught on fire. i couldn't get my briefcase. >> reporter: andy and melinda schraeder said they had no time to escape. the fire burned upmost of their yard and burned their rr. they hosed down the roof and managed to save their house and horses. you were basically surrounded by fire. >> we were, we couldn't get out. >> reporter: what did it feel like? >> i thought i was going to die. i got a handkerchief to put around my face. i kept inhaling smoke. >> it was really hot. i thought we were going to die
out here. >> reporter: those four fighters injured have been released from the hospital but we're told there's another unidentified person who is badly burned. firefighters in the next couple of hours are going to contain as much of this fire as they can because, as you can tell, the winds are starting to pick up. >> o'donnell: ben, thank you. and flames in the west and flooding in the nation's mid-section. a storm front has stalled, dumping rain on five states. in tennessee, some folks climbed on to their roofs to escape the rising water. at least two people have drown in missouri, their cars swept away by floodwaters. one was a four-year-old boy and they're still looking for his mother. lindsey graham gramson of our cbs affiliate is in jerome, missouri. how significant is the damage? >> floods have ripped through the southwestern region of the state. the four-year-old boy was trapped in his mother's car as waters rushed in. authorities continue to search for the boy's mother.
this area has seen as much as 15 inches of rain in the last two days alone. the t river here in jerome crested at 32 feet, its highest level ever recorded. up to 40 homes have been completely flooded. we spoke with residents who had to evacuate their homes. >> not knowing, i think, is probably the hardest part because you know how to react or which way to start when you know what you're dealing with and when you don't know what you're dealing with. >> just depressed. there ain't nothing you can do, so you just sit there and watch it getting wet. that's all you can do. >> reporter: a flash flood warning is still in effect as heavy rains are expected through friday night. >> o'donnell: lindsay, thank you. that worldwide alert for a possible al qaeda terror attack remains in effect for the rest of the month and 19 u.s. embassy and consulates are closed as a precaution, at least until the weekend. the focus of the threat is yemen. the u.s. carried out three more drone strikes today, taking out 12 suspected terrorists. there have been eight drone attacks in the past two weeks,
killing more than 30. bob orr is in washington, he's our homeland security correspondent and, bob, what's behind this uptick in these drone strikes just today? >> reporter: well, norah, i think we can say the surge we're seeing in drone strikes is clearly aimed at trying to disrupt any potential attack plans about dplaep yemen. the u.s. here is sending a pretty clear psychological message that the drones are on constant patrol, scouting for targets. it's interesting to note there have only been 12 drone strikes in yemen all year up until july 27, but that was about the time that u.s. intelligence overheard al qaeda leaders plotting imminent attacks and then everything changed. we've now seen five drone strikes in just the last three days. by the way, it's also interesting, all the militants who have been killed have been hit while riding in small groups inside vehicles. >> o'donnell: so what do we know about who is being targeted by the drone strikes? >> sources tell us most of those who who have been killed so far were terrorist foot soldiers, four were described as mid-level
group leaders. but the drones haven't found two of the targets that they're looking for, the leader of a.q.a.p. and the master bomb mayber, ibrahim al asiri. sources say it does reduce the group's manpower and forces the other terrorists to keep an eye on the skies. if they're focused on trying to survive intelligence analysts say the terrorists can not effectively plot. norah? >> o'donnell: at the fort hood massacre trial the judge refused to allow the attorneys advising major hasan to take over his defense so hasan continued to act as his own attorney in the case in which he's charged with murdering 13 fellow soldiers and wounding 32 others. anna werner is at fort hood, texas. anna? >> reporter: norah, for many of the witnesses here this is the first time they're confronting the man accused of trying to kill them.
witnesses described chaos as the gunman walked through the building leaving blood and bodies in his wake. specialist meagan martinez described watching a soldier sitting near her get shot as the gunman showed no emotion. "it was just a cold, calculated heart stare at us and he was just shooting everything that moved," she testified. "when a captain got up and charged him" she said "he was shot at close range." major hasan took note bus mostly looked forward impassively. he is in a wheelchair, paralyzed by bullets fired at him by fort hood security. staff sergeant michael davis testified at first he thought the shooting was a drill, then, he said "i heard a young lady screaming my baby, my baby, my baby." it was the pregnant private francesca valez, she died that day. davis himself was shot in the back trying to escape the only time hasan objected today was
when another witness described hearing that pregnant woman beg for her life and then herring hasan allegedly shoot her. >> o'donnell: an, that thank you. turning now to the economy, the labor department says 333,000 americans joined the line for unemployment benefits last week. that's 5,000 more than the week before. and rising home prices are helping folks who have been drowning in debt in the second quarter of this year. 26% of american homeowners owed more than their mortgages -- than their homes were worth. that's down from 29% a year earlier. danielle nottingham is with the a chicago couple struggling to keep their home. >> reporter: connie and vance brown planned to spend the rest of their lives in this chicago condo they bought 14 years ago. do you think you will have to leave this place? >> i don't want to leave and he doesn't want to leave. >> reporter: but they may not have a choice.
they stopped making mortgage payments two years ago soon after they lost their full-time jobs. connie found part-time work counseling troubled teens and vance, who's a computer tech, has only been able to find a job as a dishwasher. what do you do now? >> hoping and praying that i get some work and hoping and praying that my husband will get a better job and hoping and praying we get back up on our feet. >> reporter: a six-month grace period they arranged with their lender is over. foreclosure is likely. they say they can't leave chicago to find better jobs because they owe $50,000 more than their condo is worth. it's called being underwater. there are more than 7 31,000 homeowners in chicago in the same situation. that's more than any other u.s. city. rising home prices have helped reduce the number of underwater homeowners nationwide by 1.5 million, but the percentage of
those underwater in the hardest-hit markets remains high. 55% in las vegas, 49% in orlando. full recovery depends on people like the browns landing new jobs. >> we were middle-class, you know? and we were proud of it because we worked our way up for that. >> reporter: do you have somewhere to go? >> we have nowhere to go at all. nowhere to go. only thing i know the places that we would be going is out on the street. >> reporter: a new york federal reserve study found homeowners underwater are a third less likely to move and, norah, the more debt they owe, the greater the chances they won't leave. >> o'donnell: danielle, thank you. there were three winning tickets in last night's powerball drawing for a jackpot that topped out at $448 million. two were sold in new jersey. those winners have not come forward. the third was hold in minnesota to paul white.
he's 45 and works for an electrical contractor. white called the experience "surreal." >> i feel this pressure off my shoulders that you carry everyday with you. i have two kids. am i going to be able to pay for them to go to college? am i going to be able to take care of them if they have health issues? all these things, gone. >> o'donnell: that check he's holding reads $149 million but after taxes he will take a lump sum of just about $58 million. and a teenager dies after being tasered by the police in miami beach. bill clinton and oprah winfrey are about to get a very prestigious award. and the national zoo welcomes tiger twins when the "cbs evening news" continues.
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government is looking into a series of fatal shootings by the police. what's surprising is who requested the review. here's elaine quijano. >> reporter: the confrontation that led to michael berry's death on a philadelphia sidewalk last summer was captured on surveillance video. berry, seen here leaning through a car window, had just stabbed a man he'd gotten into a fistfight with moments earlier. when plain-clothed officers from the philadelphia police department arrived, one officer fired seven shots, killing berry. the philadelphia district attorney's office said the shooting was justified. police commissioner charles ramsey. >> i take this very, very seriously. there's nothing more serious that an officer can do than take another life, shoot another individual. >> reporter: the case is one of 125 police-involved shootings in philadelphia that have taken police since 2011. 37 people have died and, in some
neighborhoods, anger has boiled over, as it did in may when officers shot seven people in one week. four died. after may's deadly police shootings, commissioner ramsey took the extraordinary step of asking the justice department to examine his department's use of force. what is your sense of the public's perception of the philadelphia police department when it comes to the use of force? >> there are parts of our city that think that i'm taking a step that's not necessary. there are members of other communities-- primarily minority communities-- that think that perhaps there's too much police presence and that perhaps we are a little too heavy-handed. >> reporter: concerns are limited to philadelphia. the justice department has examined police shootings in a number of cities including las vegas and spokane, washington. and last month in miami the civil rights division of the justice department found three of 33 police-involved shootings were unjustified. commissioner ramsey is confident that all his officer shootings
were justified. some people would argue, though, that by asking for this review it's undermining the authority of the officers who are out there and second guessing what it is that they've done? >> i think our job is to second guess. i think our job is to review. our job is to evaluate. and that's what we have to do. >> reporter: since he became commissioner 2008, seven officers have died-- four were shot to death. their pictures hang on his wall. >> i look at this as much as an officer's safety effort as i do anything else. making sure the officers' tactics are such that they can keep themselves safe when they encounter these very dangerous people. >> reporter: the justice department review is expected to take a year and a half. commissioner ramsey says he plans to implement whatever recommendations are made. elaine quijano, cbs news, philadelphia. >> o'donnell: in a moment, we'll remember one of the biggest movie stars of the '70s, karen black.
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>> o'donnell: you may recall that after the boston marathon bombing the f.b.i. arrested two friends of suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev for allegedly hiding evidence in the case-- a backpack and a laptop removed from tsarnaev's dorm room and tossed in the trash. well, today a federal grand jury indicted the two men, both 19, on charges they obstructed justice. and chip reid tells us the boston bombing has led to a spike in enrollment at a school that prepares uniquely qualified students for a career in security. >> reporter: at this 10,000 square foot warehouse in windsor, connecticut, 13 labrador retrievers and four german shepherds are in special training. >> good girl! >> reporter: she sat down, what does that mean? >> well this particular piece of
luggage has some explosives in it. >> reporter: zane roberts is the lead trainer at m.s.a. security, a private company that trains bomb-sniffing dogs. the >> the demand for these dogs is tremendous. >> reporter: since boston in sflar >> since boston in particular. >> reporter: since the boston marathon bombings business has increased about 30% at m.s.a.. they have nearly 200 dog teams at locations across the nation and expect to have 25 more by the end of the year. the trainers are all former members of the military or law enforcement. they protect everything from financial institutions to professional baseball games. >> the presence of an explosive detection canine does make people feel safe. it's a great deterrent effect for people who want to bomb a location. they see dog, they'll want to go someplace else. >> reporter: the pentagon spent six years and $19 billion researching high-tech bomb detection systems but concluded that the best bomb detector is still a dog. if you took a machine and tried
to search that luggage as fast as i could search it with one dog i'd beat you ever time. >> reporter: roberts has taught mary, a three-year-old lab, to detect a wide variety of bomb-making materials. >> good girl! >> reporter: most of the doogs here failed at becoming guide dogs because they were too energetic or too easily distracted by smells. that's what makes them ideal for detecting explosives. labs in particular have a strong food drive, which is why food reward training works so well. basic training takes about 12 weeks. >> what a good girl! >> reporter: rockets says when the dogs graduate from this one-room schoolhouse he's always sad to see them go. what is the bond like between the handler and his dog? makes you smile right off the bat. >> absolutely. i often can't remember the handler's name but i never forget the dog's name. >> reporter: he'll soon have to learn new names because important jobs are waiting for
all of these good dogs. chip reid, cbs news, windsor, connecticut. >> o'donnell: good dogs, indeed. that's the "cbs evening news" for tonight. for scott pelley, i'm norah o'donnell. thanks for watching. see you tomorrow bright and early on cbs "this morning." good night. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org cook. >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald good evening, i'm allen martin. >> i'm elizabeth cook. tonight, the search for sandra coke is growing more desperate. the federal investigator from oakland has been missing since sunday. mike sugerman says her family and friends are reaching out to
the public for help and offering a big reward. mike. reporter: liz, you're right. this tells you a lot about sandra coke and the case. $100,000 reward. where's that money coming from? from her friends's pockets. they just got together and gave what they could and the search continues. >> for anyone -- >> reporter: tanya coke is desperate to get her sister back. >> my sister is an incredibly devoted mother, sister, friend and coworker, which is why there are so many people here today. >> reporter: two dozen people in fact from around the country to help search for sandra coke, now armed with a reward for information, $100,000. >> we are remaining optimistic that she is being held someplace against her will but is safe and that she will be returned to us. >> reporter: 50-year-old sandra coke who investigates death penalty cases and helps defend
them left her home sunday night about 7 p.m. she went to the drugstore to get something for her 15-year- old daughter. but that's the last time anyone saw or has heard from her. >> the only reason she would have not come home right away with something from the drugstore that i can think of is that someone called about ginny, her lost dog. >> reporter: her dog's been missing for months and she has had some people calling her about it. sometimes demanding money before they gave information. she once spent $1,000 without getting the dog back. $100,000 we regard? that was privately raised mostly by the many friends of sandra coke for the $100,000 reward. they are head coaching the money and the plea by her sister tanya will motivate someone who knows something. >> we all are just desperate to see her returned home safely. and so we are again asking anybody with information about my
also for the first time both the 9/11 museum and memorial will be open. president obama will be at the pentagon. he will lay a wreath at the memorial and then speak. at 10:03 in shanksville, pennsylvania, the names of the flight members and crew from flight 93 will be read. good morning. it is thursday, september 11. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. the president finally talking tough on terror. >> the core principle, if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> he's vowing to destroy isis. but don't call it a war. what's the plan? we are live in washington. >> and what else won't the president say? >> isis is islamic. lots of people say it is islamic. only the president won't. >> why won't he call isis
what they really are? islamic extremists: >> get this. a brand-new bombshell in the ray rice scandal. roger goodell says he never saw the knockout video but this morning a law enforcement official says the nfl had the tape in april. and a brand-new investigation is launched just while you were sleeping. what a show. mornings are better with friends. ♪ ♪ >> you know, elisabeth, when you lit up the program and said it is september 11, that immediately takes us back. this is a day we'll never forget. and you're looking at the freedom tower in lower manhattan. a lot of lights on i be side there. >> a day of remembrance and resilience. and this is the 9/11 memorial last night lit.
>> the waterfall, ongoing waterfall, manmade waterfall. you said for a long time it was a construction site. it seemed like forever we were wondering when is it going to be built? we're right there. people are around and the respect with the footprints also present. in the green room, mayor rudy giuliani just walked in. >> he was mayor that day. and we are going to remember, as we do every year, on this september 11. in the meantime we go to a fox news alert. on this september 11, president obama has promised strong action against the terror army isis. the president laying out his plan in a prime time deas last night at 9 p.m. with a strong message to isis. we will hunt you down. doug luzader live in washington with the four-point plan the president laid out last night. >> reporter: this was the president's response to all of that criticism he ran into last month after
admitting that the administration had no plans to take on isis. >> tonight with a new iraqi government in place and following consultations with allies abroad and congress at home, i can announce that america will lead a broad coalition to roll back this terrorist threat. our objective is clear. we will degrade and ultimately destroy isil through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy. i made it clear we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country wherever they are. that means i will not hesitate to take action against isil in syria as well as iraq. this is a core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> no safe haven. but isis has grown so quickly in recent months that it may now take years to defeat them. here's the president's four-point plan. >> first, we will conduct a
systematic campaign of airstrikes against these terrorists. second, we will increase our support to forces fighting these terrorists on the ground. third, we will continue to draw on our substantial counterterrorism capabilities to prevent isil attacks. fourth, we will continue to provide humanitarian assistance to innocent civilians who have been displaced by this terrorist organization. so this is our strategy. >> let's run through this quickly. first and foremost, this is an expansion of the air campaign with airstrikes now in both iraq and syria. the president is also talking about arming and training syrian forces. that will require congressional authority. he's also sending 475 additional u.s. troops into iraq. he was very clear, though, to say that those will not be combat forces on the ground. they will be instead working with their iraqi counterparts. however, that obviously brings with it some risk. back to you guys.
>> thank you. >> he's going to be putting about 500 more people down on the ground. he's going to be asking for about $500 million to train and arm moderate rebels. i don't know where he's going -- congress has got to vote on that. he's got to go find them. >> he did -- to his credit, the president did come out stronger than he had in the past when speaking about isis. but when you look at the american people and how they're feeling right now, more americans roit now feel less safe than before. so did he have a choice? when you see these recent polls, when asked when it comes to foreign policy, they find 57% of voters find the president weak and indecisive. he had a task ahead of him walking into that speech. they find him weak and indecisive at a time, on today's anniversary of 9/11, as we're facing isis, they do not feel as though he is steady in terms of decision when it comes to foreign policy. when asked more or less if
we are respected around the world today as compared to 2008, almost 60% of voters say less. we're less respected when it comes globally. >> i tell you what, the president certainly deserves public support as long as he is willing to fight this war. although last night he was reluctant to call it war. he wouldn't call it war. instead he called it a counterterrorism strategy as well. and what's interesting, he also refuses to call them islamic radicals. in fact, he even said they're not really islamic at all. here's the president followed by george will. >> isil is not islamic. no religion condones the killing of innocents. and the vast majority of isil's victims have been muslim. and isil is certainly not a state. >> isis is islamic. lots of people say it's
islamic. only the president won't. this may be the president feels obliged to be politically correct. we have islamic people in our country in great numbers, great loyalty, great americans and they want to make sure that everyone feels happy. clearly isil, the "i" stands for islamic and that's what it is. this may be a perversion of it but let's just say a strain of islam that has recurred. >> what's disturbing when you don't go to war and you don't call our enemy what they are, islamic extremists. there was a major conference among muslims in this country yesterday trying to rally support to stop this version of islam because it's attracting mutants from all around the world to go over this and fight against us and for clear-thinking people. it's also concerning somewhat that the president keeps on talking about no troops on the ground and comprehensive strategy. remember how tough it was -- >> we have troops on the ground. >> -- for our troops to
take back fallujah, ramadi and now mow self-. how are we supposed to send the u.a.e. troops, what the president says pharmacists, farmers and doctors with stethoscopes and tanks to go back and take these three major cities against a ruthless, blood-thirsty enemy? >> arming them, he think it was -- i think it was august 8. yet yesterday in his speech he said we're not going to get on the ground but we're going to try to form a coalition as it stood last night to get together and defeat this thing which i can't call radical islam. >> he said we're going to have a coalition, going to have a lot of partners. he would not name them. the key as people wake up, the key is to know the president of the united states there in the white house hast night vowed to destroy isis, which is what we want as opposed to last time what he talked about, managing. this is a step in the right direction.
>> he was forceful, clear and precise. the question is will he bring it up again? the next speech can't be about minimum wage and equal pay. it's got to be about this. >> it should extend beyond poll results as well. time will tell and the nation is praying. ♪ ♪ >> as we mentioned, americans feel less safe now, the new york police commissioner warning the terrorist threat from isis is riskier than it has been in years. >> anna kooiman is live from the 9/11 memorial with the latest. hey, anna. >> reporter: it was once called ground zero is where we are this morning ahead of ceremony. despite heightened anxiousness about the terror group isis, new york intelligence is saying there is no evidence of a specific threat ahead of commemoration that begins at 8:30 this morning. we heard from the police
commissioner saying there will be thousands of officers and specialized teams using high-tech tools. there will be undercover officers, bomb dogs monitoring today. he says the new york city police department is ready. >> isis creates a totally new area of threat for us and one that is probably even more potentially impactful on us than al qaeda. their ability to enexpire not only those who will go there to fight and then potentially come back, but also to inspire those affected, sitting in their basements poring over commuter terminals they have incredible ability to affect those young men and women. >> there will be a moment of silence at 8:46 when the first plane hit the north tower. the names of the 2,983 victims -- the men, women, the children who died at the world trade center and the pentagon and on flight 93, pennsylvania, will be read allowed.
in shanksful, pennsylvania, the heroes were honored as the family carried lanterns one by one by the wall of names. in washington, d.c. later today fire fighters and members of our military will unfurl a large american flag from the roof of the pentagon where 125 people lost their lives. coming up at 7:20 this morning, i'm going to give everyone an inside look at the memorial, the museum, the 30,000 artifacts that are inside and hours of sound and video. this will be the first year that the victims' families and first responders families will be able to look i be side the museum following the ceremony. it will be open to the public at 6:00 tonight. >> by the way, the commemoration starts in the 8:00 hour. you'll see the beginning here on the fox news channel. we'll run our film called "as it happened." which is the only time during the year we show the most dramatic parts of what happened on 9/11, the plane crashing and the buildings falling. >> believe it or not, there
is a lot more news going on including an explosive story in the nfl that is getting bigger than it was yesterday, believe it or motte. >> heather nauert is here with that. >> as we continue to remember what happened on 9/11, we continue to follow other news. the nfl struggling to get back on offense after a bombshell revelation, the league actually did receive video of ray rice punching his then-fiancee five months ago. roger goodell says he didn't see that tape until this week but a law enforcement official says he sent that video to the nfl back in april. a league employee is even heard on a recorded voice mail confirming that she received that video. she called it, quote, terrible. >> he lied and he knew about this tape. he's out. so now the question is, if the tape did come to the office, you know, how high up did it go? and why didn't it get to goodell? what happened? >> the nfl commissioner now
calling in the former f.b.i. chief robert mueller to investigate the nfl's handling of the case. what a story. >> let's go live overseas to pretoria, south africa, where a verdict could come in at any minute in the oscar pistorius murder trial. right now the judge reading a summary of the testimony and then rejecting pistorius's temporary insanity defense saying he was an evasive witness. a decision could take hours to come, but the judge has said that the state has not provided reasonable -- evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that pistorius is guilty of premeditated murder. those are your headlines. see you back here in about 25 minutes. >> 13 minutes after the hour. 9/11 also marks two years since four americans were killed at benghazi. this is when secretary of state hillary clinton, this is what she had to say about it. >> the fact is we have four dead americans. was it because of a protester was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they would go kill some
americans. what difference, at this point, does it make? >> turns out it's a big difference. a new bombshell book claims clinton herself may have doomed them. doomed them. the authors here live. ♪ ♪ "here i am. rock you like a hurricane." ♪ fiber one now makes cookies. find them in the cookie aisle.
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dead americans. was it because of a protester was it because of guys out for a walk one nied who decided they would go kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? >> that was then. now an explosive new book says a security decision finalized by clinton herself may have doomed the americans. joining us is the author of the book called "the real benghazi story." good morning. what doesn't hillary want us to know? >> she doesn't want us to know a lot. to start with, it was her personal role in security decisions at the benghazi u.s. special mission which to this day is still being called by some in the media a consolate. it wasn't. she is saying she didn't review the cables. it wasn't her job. the secretary of state can't review the cables of -- >> so much paper work. >> and the senate confirmed this, the senate's 88-page report, that hillary clinton personally signed special waivers to allow the facility to exist because it didn't meet even
the minimum security standards of the state department, including -- and this is critical, especially in light of the new testimony by the survivors of benghazi. they said that they were told to delay in the nearby c.i.a. annex, which if you remember was about a mile away. she called something called the co-location waiver which meant it allowed the u.s. special mission to exist separate from the c.i.a. annex. in other words, the protection for the u.s. special mission, because of the secretary of state's signature on a waiver, was located a mile away. so that decision actually could have ultimately, although unwittingly doomed them. >> why was the c.i.a. there? why were we there? >> this is the real benghazi story which extends far beyond what happened two years ago and goes all the way, i think, to the current threats of isis. and that is that we were there primarily to, my information -- it's in the book, "the real benghazi story" -- for two main reasons. number one stevens served
less as an ambassador and more as almost an arms dealer to jihadists, to the rebels first fighting in libya against muammar qaddafi and secondly to bring some of those weapons through turkey and other places through the insurgency in syria. that is number one. number two, there was a section, a separation collection effort of man pads, man pads, >> missiles which bring down planes. >> looted from libya, looted from qaddafi's reserves. woad a multimillion-dollar unprecedented effort centered at the c.i.a. annex, centered at that mission. >> that is why we were there. >> may have even prompted the attacks, an awful lot of jihadists. >> read about it in a brand-new book called "the real benghazi story." aaron klein, thank you very much. a major health scare for toronto mayor rob ford. why he was rushed to the hospital. the president now
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at 24 minutes past the top of the hour, we have some stories for you making headlines this morning. mayor rob ford diagnosed with a tumor. this after complaining of stomach pains for weeks. ford is running for reelection october 27 despite his problems with alcohol and drugs. jodi arias won't represent herself after all. she is not saying why she changed her mind. the 34-year-old was convicted of murder hast year in the 2008 killing of her ex-boyfriend but jurors could not reach a decision on her sentence. the retrial starts on
september 29. >> from no strategy to, well, talking tough on terror, the president laying out his plan to take on isis. >> i can announce that america will lead a broad coalition to roll back this terrorist threat. our objective is clear. we will degrade and ultimately destroy isil through a comprehensive and sustained terrorism strategy. >> are we seeing a different, more determined president? >> the former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani, joins us on this september 11. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> you were watching the president last night there in the white house. good news; right? he's going to destroy them. >> that is the good news. the answer is we see a more determined president from the one who didn't have a policy a week and a half ago, two weeks ago. on the other hand, it's not much of a policy. it doesn't commit enough troops, because troops are
going to be necessary to get this job done. it doesn't acknowledge the fact that it's a war, which is really almost silly because they're at war against us. i don't know why we struggle so much with whether we are at war with them. they are at war with us. those things, i think, give it a kind of reluctance that's going to make it hard to put a coalition together. >> do you believe this is a long standing policy, one that will continue and sustain through polling, which may have been a motivating factor? >> it doesn't sound like it. it didn't sound like this is a long-standing policy. remember when president bush addressed congress after september 11? he said this is going to be a long, long time. i think he said not years. decades. it turns out to be absolutely right. he turns out to be absolutely correct. this is going to be decades, and it shouldn't surprise us. the cold war was decades. so we need the commitment to remain in this with the
forces that are necessary. i think having taken our forces out of iraq is part of the reason that we have the situation that we have right now. >> let's must have on and talk about what today is. it means so much to so many people, so impactful for you. the question is, is it going to happen again? it happened in 1993 and happened substantially in 2001 in the world trade center. are we safer now than we were when george bush left office, than we were in 2001? >> we're certainly safer than we were in 2001. a tremendous number of changes have taken place. we don't have to detail them all, but at airports, the amount of intelligence gathered and shared is much, much better. the new york city police department is about as well trained in counterterrorism as you can possibly train a police department. ray kelly started it. bill branton is doing that in new york. in those respects we're safer. now with this new threat,
isis, some of the other things connected to it, if you're asking me are we safer than we were two or thee years ago, it sounds like probably we're not. now we're facing a new danger we don't understand completely. certainly we're safer than we were the day before september 11, 2001. >> why would we be less safe than we were three or four years age administration took their foot off the gas? >> i don't know exactly the answer to it. this isis thing seems to have been a surprise to them. it seems to have been something they didn't really understand was going to emerge. whenever you have a surprise and you don't have all the information, how can you assess the full nature of the danger? >> i worry about this, mayor, combined with bill branton who is obviously very competent, but this mayor isn't. when it come to the threat, they're not flying over to these international events to study how could it affect new york, like ray kelly was doing. the combination of who is in white house and who is running new york city kind
of worries me. in the big picture, what are you doing today? >> today i'll be at the ceremony, be there to remember the friends that i lost and all the families that i've gotten to know. i get to see them. i get to see them again. then i'm going to go to a port authority station, i'm going to go to a police station and i'm going to go to a firehouse really just to talk to them and remember. then i get together tonight with a a lot of the people that we shared the experience with. it was a day that was the worst day of my life and it was a day that was the greatest day of my life. my wife and i have tremendous emotions about today. we remember almost every second of it, sometimes inaccurately. >> the key is to remember. former mayor of new york city, america's mayor, rudy giuliani. >> mayor, thank you. >> 6:30 in new york city right now. a fox news alert breaking
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mandatory life sentence. he could still be convicted of a lesser murder charge of culpable homicide, both of which could carry lengthy jail terms. no jury, one judge making this decision. >> oscar pistorious not guilty of premeditated murder. that is a fox news alert: >> we have ramped up for military assistance for syrian opposition. tonight i call on congress again to give us additional authorities and resources to trean -- train and equip. >> this idea that we could provide some light arms or even more sophisticated arms to what was essentially an opposition made up of former doctors, farmers, pharmacists and so forth and that they were going to be able to battle a well armed state backed by russia, backed by iran, that was never in the cards. >> president obama last
night and just a few weeks ago. the president now talking tougher on terror and changing his tune when it comes to arming syrian rebels but is it too little too late? here to react is lieutenant colonel tony shaffer, former commander of c.i.a. forces in afghanistan gary burnstein and former assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs during the reagan administration. gentlemen, thank you for being with us this morning. reaction particularly as it relates to arming syrian rebels. a switch there from even october 8. colonel, start with you. >> we have to be very careful with this. the president has asked for a lot of money to arm these militia. first off there is no good militia. if we give this money to these folks without any understanding of who they are, other bad things could happen. we have a professional military force. we train egyptians, the
jordanians and others. >> the president stated he doesn't want to put u.s. forces on the ground. whoever we arm, we have people with them, whether they are intelligence officers or special operators. we're going to have to have people side by side. this is no victory here without a small number of boots on the ground. and the statement that we're going to do this with no ground forces or any forces on the ground is ridiculous. >> is there any chance of success by air and limited boots on the ground which will not be combat-directed? >> no. this president is very hard to get a handle on because he also told us last night that he's pulling all of us out of afghanistan. you're fighting them there, you're fighting them -- he has to go back into iraq because he pulled out too early and he assures us he's going to pull out of afghanistan. there is no consistency to what he has to say. >> what happens? if arming the moderates and our coalition forces there
fail on the ground, what is the strategy then? >> that's part of the issue. this was not a strategy. a strategy requires you to look at the whole. this is not simply about isis. it is about al qaeda and afghanistan coming back, it is about all of it. you push the balloon in one spot you have to attack it across the networks. we're not doing that. as much as it concerns us that we need to do something, the way he portrayed it is not a strategy. it is small elements on a campaign plan. >> isis threatens kuwait, qatar, it threatens the g. crm c. they are going to be attempting to penetrate individuals, human individuals, get inside those organizations, create revolution there and seize half the world's oil. they've got to be devoted. this has to be corridorrized quickly. >> we've heard it is going to take time.
it is also going to take efforts perhaps beyond what was expected. for every point the president made, some of the criticism is he walked it back qualifying it with things that would not occur. what happened in a recent poll is president obama prepared to do wheaf it takes to defeat islamist extremists, almost 54% said no, he isn't. he isn't ready to do whatever it takes to protect. >> the president's strategic end point does not make sense. the radical sunnis began because the shiites in baghdad oppressed the sunnis. now the president is saying we're going to put those sunnis back once we get the moderate ones under the baghdad government. that dog isn't going to hunt. there is going to be a sunni state in the middle east. it's either going to be radical or it's going to be moderate. but there's no way the sunnis are coming back under the shiites. the president's end point is the worst possible end point and it's not going to
happen. >> i think we want a definition last night as americans. did we get it when the president can't say we are at war and cannot say radical or extreme islamists? >> when the japanese attacked us, we were at war. the president didn't mince words. isis declared war against us they are coming. we need to accept that on its face period. there is no other way to say that. >> the president appears more interested in his own political interests than conducting national security in pure form here. let's get down to business, defend the country. worry about the politics later, mr. president. let's defeat this enemy. >> something is going on in the president's mind that is hard for us to understand. last night he said the islamic state and the levant is not islamic. hello? how do you parch that adjective or noun or verb? is an islam is not an islamist does the bird
tweet in the tree? it doesn't make sense. >> why does he say that? >> political correctness. there has been this orwellian attempt to basically these are not the enemies you're looking for going on. it is totally insane. it is like saying dunkin' donuts doesn't have doughnuts. these folks are out to kill us. we have to look tenet work. this is not simply about isis. it is about muslim brotherhood. we need to get serious about defeating long term. this is a strategy to go after al qaeda and off shoots. he didn't put out a strategy. he put out a tactical plan against a single enemy. >> i think the president sees all this in the context of colonial problem, these people are freedom fighters. it almost goes back to desouza's books and films. the president doesn't appear to have the same frame of reference that the rest of us have in fighting. >> framing it today, the 13th anniversary of september 11, are we more
safe or less safe today than we were in 2008 even? before the attacks. >> if you put it this way, will we be attacked again, the answer is yes. it may motte be here at home -- it may not be here at home but we just had two americans beheaded. so there are going to be more american deaths. radical islam is a disease inside the arab muslim world that we can contain but we cannot destroy it. we can keep tamping it down until it runs its course. and there are going to be more casualties. >> are you confident this president, this commander in chief can get the job done? >> the southwest border is really open. i wrote a book about it. it is inevitable something is going to happen. the question is what can we do to minimize the plan for it. the best answer is intelligence. we stopped the interrogation program. we need to restart it. >> i don't think they're organized for success.
i don't think they have the goals, the proper end goals here. and i'm very, very concerned. >> the president is not serious. >> enough. perhaps as it relates to the american people, they don't believe he's willing to do what it takes. colonel shaffer, we want to thank you, mr. west, we want to thank you. a fox news alert breaking. at least one verdict in the oscar pistorious trial. not guilty on premeditated murder. the judge on that next. and he considers osama bin laden his hero, even naming his son after him. then he became a c.i.a. spy revealing all kinds of secrets. why he says al qaeda and isis aren't the only threats america needs to threats america needs to worry about.
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oscar pistorious of premeditated murder. the judge ruled that prosecutors failed to prove the olympic star intended to kill his girlfriend reba steenkamp, beyond a reasonable doubt. >> joining us now, fox's news judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano. judge, this is a judge. this is not a jury. and she came up with that verdict. what does it mean? >> it's a very different system than we have in the u.s. in the u.s. the jury would simply check a box, guilty, not guilty, and a clerk would read it aloud. in south africa where the judge is the judge and the givesshe not only gives reasons for it. it's very interesting and it's very helpful. it's helpful for the people of south africa to understand what's lawful and what's not lawful. and it's transparency in the government even more than we have here. she starts with the most serious crime. premeditated murder. fo -- for which he would been sentenced to a minimum
of 25 years in prison. he is not guilty of that because the state did not prove that he planned and plotted the murder ahead of time, which is the essential element for -- that changes, that elevates an unlawful killing to first-degree murder. >> no steps taken prior to in planning this? >> correct. in the process of explaining why she acquitted him of premeditated murder she said other things which should be troubling for him and his lawyers. show said he is not a very good witness and i don't believe everything he said on the witness stand. she said this is no question that he unlawfully discharged a weapon and as a result of that killed rebastein catch. he probably will be -- killed reba steenkamp. he probably will be found guilty of something but he will not be spending the remainder of his life in a prison. >> what's left? >> what's left is what we would call second-degree murder which is a willful intent to kill but without
premeditation. after that is criminally negligent homicide, behavior so reckless that you should have known it would result in someone's death. he's facing four or five major crimes but the biggest one he's off the hook. >> which doesn't surprise me because no one thought he thought at 11:00 i'm going to shoot her. something prompted him to shoot. there was an avengence or did he think an intruder -- >> i'm sure he's going to be found guilty of something. >> breaking news, oscar pistorious not convicted of premeditated murder but still on the hook for something. >> judge napolitano thank you. next, he considered osama bin laden his hero, even naming his son after him. then he became a c.i.a. spy revealing their secrets to the united states. the united states. why he says al qaeda and
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the war on terror changed dramatically since al-qaeda attacked america 13 years ago today. al-qaeda turned into a series of offshoots that threaten all western nations. so how serious is the terrorist threat now? this is a former al-qaeda terrorist turned c.i.a. informant who helped take down terrorist al al-awlaki. his new book called "agent storm, my life inside al-qaeda and the c.i.a." is out today. morton, thanks for what you did and have done. first tell us about your
background. how did you get inside al-qaeda? what was the attraction for you and islamic extremism? >> well, i started islam -- studied intensively. i studied muslim scholars and because of those studies, you came to the conclusion that jihadi is an extremely important part of islam. and by me meeting -- it wasn't something i seen. people who were there from all country, from u.s., from europe, from asia and africa, we all came to the conclusion that jihad is very most important action that you can do in islam. it guarantees you paradise without being held accountable for your sins. >> this blond haired guy decides he's going to become a member of al-qaeda and you were surprised how you were accepted quickly.
>> well, it wasn't becoming a member of al-qaeda. i actually pledged allegiance to al-qaeda while i was a double agent. i had the same idea as al-qaeda and so do hundreds of thousands of husband millions, or muslims who are study islam, all come to the conclusion that what al-qaeda is upon is the true interpretation of islam. >> so you talk to people. they're not just crazy people. al-awlaki is a highly educated guy. what do they think about us that makes us their number one target >> first of all, as a muslim, as true believing muslim, islam means submission and muslim who believes in this, he believes he must submit himself fully, without questioning. everything islam stands for is the truth. everything that is not islamic
is falsehood. so everything you must love is for the sake of allah and everything you must hate, you must hate for the sake of allah. >> so right now what do we need to know about al-qaeda here in the west as we look back 13 years since 9-11? >> we need to know that al-qaeda is still out there, it's still existing and they have now now competition with isis. however, both of them have the very same ideology, the fundamentals are still the same. what is the difference between them is the way of trying to achieve those goals. isis obviously is much more hard core than al-qaeda. however, the ones who are most successful, unfortunately. al-qaeda now will try everything to compete and they will try to to -- be the first to do an
attack. >> in your mind, can they be rehabbed or do they have to be killed? >> well, once they're out there, i think they must be killed and once we are -- those we can identify in europe or united states, they must be arrested or, yeah. they must be under heavy surveillance. >> morton has done the western world a great service. he wrote in his book more that's out today. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> the c.i.a. owes him $5 million. coming up, president bush gave this warning in 2007. >> i know some in washington would like us to start leaving iraq now. begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous. >> and he was right. his former chief of staff joins us next. then you heard from three men on the ground who were in
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good morning. today is thursday, september 11. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. a fox news alert, moments ago a judge just clearing olympic star oscar pistorius of premeditated murder charges. the reason why live from the courthouse in south africa. the president finally talking tough on terror. >> the core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> wow. he's vowing to destroy isis. just don't call it war. his four-point plan live from washington. members of benghazi security team speaking out, saying americans' lives could have been saved if a stand down order wasn't given. they, the three of them, join us
this morning with a message for hillary clinton and president obama. you're going to see it this hour. you're watching "fox & friends" on september 11 right here on the fox news channel. ♪ ♪ >> that was a freedom tower in animation. now you're seeing it live. for the longest time it seemed like is this thing ever going to get built? and it is beautiful and a landmark now in new york. but you can't stop think being why it's there. >> and what happened. >> then you will see the freedom tower last night here. you see the tributeç in light which will take place at 6:30 tonight. 6:00 p.m. tonight and continue to shine those blue beams into the sky with resilience and strength until sunrise the very next day, september 12. >> you can see that from my window at home. that reminds you where we all
were 13 years ago. meanwhile, in the last 15 minutes on the western facade of the pentagon, they did what they have been doing for a number of years. they unfurled the american flag. on 9-11 it was flight 77 that crashed into the western facade of the pentagon, killed 59 people on the airplane and 125 military and civilian personnel who were at their posts in the pentagon 13 years ago this morning. >> president obama scheduled to speak at the ceremony in and a moment of silence following that. we've got breaking news on september 11. south african judge cleared oscar pistorius of premeditated murder charges, saying oscar did not foresee he could kill anybody the night he shot his girlfriend, reeva steenkamp. however, culpable homicide and other charges still on the table. greg palkot is live in pretoria with the latest.
>> reporter: hey. we spent the morning in the courtroom behind us and it was a day of high drama. just about ten feet away from where i was sitting, oscar pistorius. as i watched him come in, he seemed quiet. he seemed resolute. he seemed, well, a little bit confident and maybe he had a right to feel that way. later on, however, near the end of the session, we were sitting in on, he cried. he cried. he sobbed. he had his head down. maybe, however, he was crying for relief because so far he's been let off by the judge here of the most serious charges that he faced and that was premeditated murder of his girlfriend, reeva steenkamp, on valentine's day morning some 18 months ago. the judge speak very quietly, very resolutely, saying she could not stand by the charges being made by the state, by the prosecutor. she threw out one after another
of the evidence the prosecutor presented. the witness, the ear witnesses what they're called, hearing the woman scream, hearing an argument coming from the house. she threw out other evidence, too, like the fact that reeva steenkamp had a cell phone in the toilet cubicle when she was killed, that she had locked the door, that she had maybe eat an little bit later, that there was any kind of argument. she said that was all circumstantial evidence and that it was not enough to convict oscar pistorius of premeditated murder or even a slightly lesser charge that, is murder without any planning. again, those charges could have landed him in jail for a lifetime, or at least 25 years for the first chance of getting parole. him there for 20 years. could now he faces the culpable homicide, the manslaughter charge that we're about to go back into the courtroom and see
if the judge decides to give him that. there are indications she could give him that. she has indicated she has lot of problems with the way oscar pistorius performed on stand and as she describes as peculiar circumstances of that night. back to you. >> he has been described as a terrible witness. greg palkot live with the very latest. now to another fox news alert, the president using the eve of 9-11 to promise strong action against the terror group, isis. the president laying out a plan in a prime time address with a strong message to terrorists: we will hunt you down. doug luzader is live in washington to break it all down. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. the president described the spread of isis in both iraq and syria as a cancer and said it's going to take some time to get rid of it. to do that, the united states is going to expand the somewhat limited campaign we've seen so far, going after isis targets.
>> so tonight with a new iraqi in place and following consultations with allies abroad and congress at home, i can announce that america will lead a broad coalition to roll back this terrorist threat. our objective is clear, we will degrade and ultimately destroy isil through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy. i've made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country wherever they are. that means i will not hesitate to take action against isil in syria as well as iraq. this is a core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> reporter: it looks like this is going to primarily involve broadening the air campaign carrying out some of the same targeted strikes we've seen in iraq, but expanding that to syria as well. for the president, that is point one. >> first, we will conduct a
systematic campaign of air strikes against these terrorists. second, we will increase our support to forces fighting these terrorists on the ground. third, we will continue to draw on our substantial counterterrorism capabilities that prevent isil attacks. fourth, we will continue to provide humanitarian assistance to innocent civilians who have been displaced by this terrorist organization. so this is our strategy. >> reporter: let's look at the overview here. again, air strikes in iraq and then expanding those into syria as well. the president is also talking about arming and training certain syrian rebel groups. that's something that will require congressional authorization. he's also talking about sending 475 additional u.s. troops to iraq. they will work with their iraqi counterparts to do training and so on. the president is quick to point out these are not combat forces on the ground in iraq. they're not supposed to be engaged in fighting, but you
never know what these folks will run into. steve, brian and elisabeth. >> thanks a lot. the thing is, they're not in a hover craft. we have 1600 men on the ground and we do know they're actually in the area fighting, advising the iraqi troops as they move forward and might be in the midst of the militia as they try to oust isis from iraq and now we're hitting syria. what are we going to hit syria with? air strikes, of course. they'll be limbed in its effect. we'll also use the free syrian army, which by the way, there are reports free syrian army was part of the group that sold off sotloff to isis. so i don't know what you can trust the so-called moderate help because they've been infilt rated. >> while the president kept reiterating, we're not going to send in combat troops, we have boots on the ground right now. the president, however, what he wants to do is he wants to build this coalition and have them
provide the manpower. they'll be the boots on the ground. we'll be flying over dropping bombs on them. ralph peters was on with sean hannity last night talking about this coalition where they do the work and we fly over and this is his observation. >> does he really believe that he's going to build a serious coalition? he's got nine states so far. bush had 48 which contributed troops in 2003. he's got nine states, none of which are willing to fight. there is no coalition. he's counting on a government in baghdad that has -- excites no loyalty from the people. it's so pathetic that i've actually got to control my anger and simply say it's idiotic nonsense. >> the threat of isis attacking the united states at any moment by their own claim. you have americans now, according to recent polls, feeling as though we don't have a president who will do whatever it takes to get the job done.
and a lack in confidence globally, they indicate, as it relates to our president, how he's viewed from global leaders. when you take all of that together, brit hume summed it up and said we're not looking at leadership. >> think of the first gulf war when saddam hussein had invaded little kuwait, a rich and not particularly little oil-rich country run by a monarchy. do you think the american people on the night of that invasion thought it would be a good idea to send american forces to fight and die in the desert to protect kuwait or get it back from saddam hussein? of course they didn't. it required leadership from the president of the united states. when you blow an uncertain trumpet and commit to doing less than you could and suggest that others should do the fighting for you, look, that might be fair and it would be a better world if more of the countries were willing to step up, but that's not the world we face.
>> jordan said you can train here. saudi arabia says you can train them here. while the uae has an air force. qatar has essential base for us and what about other sunni countries, 'cause we don't want to pit sunni against shia. what about other countries putting boots on the ground? we remember how tough it was to take back fallujah, mosul. who is capable of going house to house? none of the iraqis that dropped our weapons and ran for the hills when isis came in the first time. i wond who are will be on the ground to do the fighting. >> that will be the coalition. that's going to be the hard part. the president said we'll have one. just didn't say who. the key last night is the president said we will destroy isis, or isil. that's what we want to hear of the it's a lot better than what he said we're going to manage them. it's lot better than when he said that we got no strategy. the "wall street journal" this morning on their op ed page writes, let's hope mr. object object is a better war president
than he has been an antiwar president. >> yep. >> lot of americans will be holding him to his words that he spoke. president bush warned us what would happen if we left iraq too soon. now we are seeing it all unfold and come true. former white house chief of staff to president george w. bush, andy card, joins us live with his reaction to this president's plan next. and you've heard from three men on the ground in benghazi who say they could have saved their fellow americans, four of them who died that day two years ago. what you haven't heard about how they feel regarding hillary clinton. they're here live on fox news. m♪ there's never been a better time to come to bass pro shops than right now. announcer: bass pro shops is the place for incredible savings.
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president george w. bush, andy card. good morning. did you hear clarity? did you get a distinction in terms of what the plan is going forward, and do you believe the president? >> i love that one sentence that president obama said. it's repeating comments made by president bush when he was president. both right after 9-11-2001 and after the surge was successful in iraq in 2007. so i know that sentence means a lot and it was very important. i'm not sure that there is the resolve to follow through and i don't want the terrorists to have safe havens, to plan attacks and to get ready to do bad things. i do want us to be able to hunt them down and make sure that they don't attack america. on this particular day, a day of remembrance and reflection, it's also a day of resolve. we remember the victims of 9-11 in new york city and the pentagon and the flight that landed in shanksville,
pennsylvania. we remember the people that we lost, like george howard that we promised never to forget, and the heros that died, like todd beamer and the first responders that responded and some gave their lives. but we also have to remember that there was a day of resolve that showed up that day and america stood as a united states and said we have the resolve to make sure this never happens again. and we're going to bring the people to justice that did this. it's very important that that resolve be reflected from the president of the united states. i'm not sure that you can prevent the terrorists from doing their acts and hunt them down if you don't have a coalition that includes america that will be on the ground hunting those terrorists and bringing them to justice. so it's not just going to be an air campaign, in my opinion, that succeeds. in the coalition that george w. bush put together going into afghanistan and going into iraq was much larger than the nine nations that evidently president
obama is talking about. hopefully we can get to a very large coalition. but it's got to be led by america. >> today certain israeli a day of remembrance and resilience in ways, but one of deep concern as it relates to threats. in 2007, president bush made a prediction and has been since seen by 38 million people, brian you allude to do this before. please take a listen. >> i know some in washington would like us to start leaving iraq now. begin leaving before our commanders tell us we're ready would be dangerous for iraq, for the region, and for the united states. it would mean surrendering the future of iraq to al-qaeda. >> and we did and it happened. your reaction? >> it was prehe isent and easily predicted this is what the state would be like today and it is and now we have to find the
resolve to make sure that the bad guys don't have a place to do bad things to americans. it's going to require a lot of leadership from washington, d.c. and resolve from the president of the united states. he should be demonstrating to us just how important it is that america rally behind this cause to defeat the terrorists. >> and after winning through the surge, it's important not to give that win away, especially as we have another shot at it in afghanistan. if we pull out, it's going to be the same thing. that was the president who defied the polls in his actions and another one had the polls push him to action. thank you for joining us on this very important day. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up straight ahead, you've heard the three men -- from the three men on the ground in benghazi who say they could have saved their fellow americans. now what haven't you heard yet, how they feel about hillary clinton. they will join us live. then the antenna of one of the towers, a melted phone and
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connection. today marks the 13-year anniversary since the worst terrorist attack occurred on american soil. to remember that date, thousands of people have already visited the museum here in manhattan. >> one of the most recently added items, the shirt worn by the navy seal who delivered the final three shots that killed osama bin laden. >> yep. that just was there and anna is there now. anna kooiman live at the museum to show us what else is inside should you get to manhattan. hey, anna. >> i do recommend coming down here and taking a look. good morning. although some have criticized the museum for being too touristy. the collection of artifacts has grown significantly since it opened in may as victims said
they would be held in the highest esteem. very few can forget where they were the morning of september 11, 2001. here beneath the ground that once held the twin towers, memories of horror, confusion and heroism relived. >> the innocent who died that day did what we do every day, simply get up in the morning and go to work. >> there has been an explosion in world trade one. it's the other building. it looks like a plane struck it. it's horrible. >> the terrorists tested our patriotism and faith that day. but american flags flew high and who can forget the cross forged in steel? more than 10,000 artifacts on display throughout the museum, the antenna from the north tower, a melted phone from the pentagon, the staircase telling stories of survival. frantic civilians fleeing from the towers before they collapsed. the entire crew of firefighters from ladder 3 responding, died inside when the north tower fell.
this watch belonging to one of the heroic passengers who overtook the terrorists on flight 93. so many faces vanished that clear september day. family members posting signs after calling hospitals and hot lines searching for the missing. many of which never turned up. in all, 2983 innocent people died. >> i can hear you! the rest of the world hears you! and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon! >> but just as america vowed, we will never forget. >> usa! usa! >> usa. the commemoration starts at 8:30 this morning. there will be six moments of silence. the first beginning at 8:46 when the first plane touched the north tower and we all know what happened after that. we will never forget. back to you. >> that's right. thank you very much, anna kooiman down there in the world trade center area. you'll see it all live right here on fox news channel starting in the 8:00 o'clock
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the american flag. i love seeing that today. it was hero's day at the stadium which honors all the men and women who put their lives on the line every day to protect our freedom. there you go. ♪ ♪ >> two years ago today, the american consulate in benghazi was savagely attacked. the 15-acre compound was lightly defended ask soon overrun by islamist extremists with a clear objective: killing americans. security contractors, chris, tanto paronto, and two other men all experienced former military members, hired by the c.i.a. to protect spies, diplomats and american personnel were on duty when the call came. contractors stationed at the nearby c.i.a. annex included
tantarosto and tig. according to the special operators, a senior c.i.a. officer told them to stand down. >> he said hey, we need to get over there. we're losing the initiative. and bob just looked straight at me and said stand down, we need to wait. >> it happened that night. that happened. we were told to wait, stand down. we were delayed three times. >> after a half hour passed, a call came over the radio, if you guys don't get here, we're going to die. defying orders, the contractors rushed to the compound to confront the enemy, but before the night was over, four americans had lost their lives. sean smith, a state department communications officer. two security contractors, glenn, daughter tee and tyrone woods and ambassador chris stevens. joining us today two years later, the co-authors of "13 days in benghazi."
good morning to all of you. >> good morning. >> we saw the clips with bret baier last friday night where you are confident that had you been allowed to go when you wanted to go to help the guys over there at the consulate, they'd be alive. >> yes. >> since then, we talked to some people and they go, you know what? they say, the contractors, special guys, say that -- they say that you were told to stand down, but now these people in washington are going, no, that's not true because nobody ever said don't stand down. they simply said hang on. wait a little bit. what do you think about that? >> i heard stand down. i didn't hear no hold on, hang on, give may minute. >> a delay is a delay. in combat, delay gives more time for the enemy to do what they want to do and accomplish their objective. it's semantics. it makes no difference to us, we
were held back for 25 minutes. >> i look at it like this, if we would have left earlier, it would have increased the probability that we could have made a difference and saved the ambassador's life. the fact that we didn't go for 25 minutes, that increases the chance that you're not gonna. >> remember, we finally left of our own accord. we were never given the okay. we just finally said the heck with it. >> because bob, bob somebody, the c.i.a. guy there, said hang on. i'm trying o find you some help. >> he never told us he was finding help. >> no. >> that's what we've heard. >> we're finding out things new ourselves. >> sure. it's funny how washington works that way, isn't it? the state department hired a quick reaction force. who are they and who are they? >> one of the many militia that were in benghazi. benghazi, there were tons of militias and they were all vying for control of the airport, the
seaport, commerce, anything of importance. we don't know exactly who they were, who they were allied with. i know we went over there and met with them. or i had driven over to their compound. what it all entailed, above my pay grade. >> they were the ones who were supposed to protect the consulate and, you know, when the shooting started, seemed like a lot of them just got the heck out of there. >> yeah. >> here is the author talking about the 17 feb commander. >> the commander had told them that he didn't want to move his troops toward the compound gate. instead he told the tl he'd make a phone call to the attackers to negotiate for the release of americans. he wondered how the commander knew whom to call and how he was on good enough terms to someone connected to think he could work
out a deal. >> what does that mean? >> means he couldn't be trusted. means we didn't know what really alliances that they held. we weren't sure who they maybe were allianced with, but we didn't know. >> so in other words, the people that hillary clinton's state department hired to protect them, you didn't trust? >> oh, no. >> not at all. >> we had no rapport with them. we never did any sort of internal defense or any sort of training with them to build that rapport. we didn't know. >> do you trust hillary clinton to be the commander in chief if she's elected president of the united states, givenç the fact that her state department was asked for more security and they said no, can't do it? >> i would say that the decisions made at that level are at that level. we're trying to stay out of the fray of that. the book is about what we wanted -- what happened that night on the ground because that is the story that hasn't been told yet. >> we just want people to know
the truth and then let the people decide. that's fine with us. as long as we have the truth out there, we're happy with that. >> sure. but you know, what happened two years ago may not have happened with the ultimate result had there actually been security there. >> hopefully they do their after action report and they learn from it and it doesn't happen again. it's just too bad that this had to happen for this sort of reaction to take place. >> tig? >> i agree with him. it's a track record is her track record and the way she runs things, it's there. >> there is a new poll out that shows that americans actually feel less safe today than they did -- we're going to put that up on the screen so people can see it. given the fact that you were over -- one of the thing about the feb 17 militia, okay, so you didn't trust them. didn't the terrorists buy the house next door to the consulate as well? >> one of two compounds.
>> yeah. >> it was nearby. if you read in "13 hours," there was a spot there where the department of state guys got ambushed, where they came out of the gate and people that read it -- >> that was in the area of where -- >> it was very close. >> a group of terrorists that had a black flag had bought a house. >> yeah. >> and those were the same people who were probably hired to protect the people inside the compound. >> that's what we have read ourselves in open source, yeah. >> i know you were busy promoting the book over the last couple of days. i don't know if you were watching the president last night in his prime time address. but now the plan to beat down isis is to arm the syrian rebels, the people who not so long ago he said, no, that's a bad idea. now we're going to do it. does that work? >> you know, what happened -- what's happened, they're very
similar in their mindset to the people that attacked us in benghazi. we saw what happened there and i think we'll see more of the same. >> it's hard to get into -- again, 'cause that's not our realm. we aren't at that level. we don't make those decisions. it's difficult for us to really give you a good answer on that, a well-informed answer, especially since we haven't been watching too much because of how busy we've been this week. >> sure. when people find out that you're the three guys, three special operators who wrote the book, do you tell them -- do you get a feeling that some americans simply don't know what happened and what's the one thing you try to tell them so they know what really did go down two years ago today? >> the thing that happened -- the goal that we've had in writing this book is to honor those four americans that lost their lives that night.
to get the truth out because the story have been told -- it's been gone over and kicked down the road what happened afterward, the talking points, have been talked about what should have happened before. but this is what happened there. this is what's really important and this is a story that the americans haven't heard, about what happened on the ground from the time we got the call to the time i got on the plane, bloody and wounded. >> i think what gets lost when it starts to be -- trying to fill somebody's agenda is the courage. these guys worked with, of roan, of bub, that gets lost and that's what we take. great with your politics on whatever. honor the guys who fought and realize, there is still guys out there doing this. and remember those and see actually what we actually did. it's more than what people think. >> well, the book is great and it does -- if you got questions
about it, check it out, it's called "13 hours." it was released this week. gentlemen, thank you very much for your service. >> an honor, thank you very much. >> we all wish you could have been there a half hour earlier. >> yes, we do, too. >> thanks. coming up, the mother of sean smith, one of the americans that these guys tried to save, joins us live. she has a special message for them. they have never spoken until now. you'll see it next (male announcer) it's happening.
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his mother, pat smith, who has been on the channel over the last two years joins us this morning from san diego. good morning to you. >> hi there. >> pat, we've had a number of conversations about what happened two years ago today and we've got with us three of the guys who were there that day in benghazi. i understand you wanted to say something to them. >> i wanted to thank them -- here i go again. i wanted to thank them for everything they've done. i've tried to read the book. i can only get so far. but i'll read it. i love those guys and anything they need, anything they need, i will be -- i'll sell my house if necessary for them for what they've done. they're good people. >> thank you. >> thank you, ma'am. >> thank you, ma'am. it's an honor to finally talk to you, ma'am. we're really happy you came on with us. thank you. >> i wantedç to come there to w
york or washington or wherever you are, but i couldn't. i couldn't do it. >> we understand. please know that -- if you have gotten that far in the book, that your son was -- said prayers when we found him and so we did say our prayers over him. >> i saw that. >> thank you for being on with us. >> you guys are wonderful. i don't know why anybody wouldn't believe every word you said. you were there fighting for them! everything! i'm sorry. thank you. >> thank you. you know, miss smith, we will get together sometime in the future and we can meet in a private location. >> yeah, yeah. >> you can ask as many questions as you need to. we're here to answer them for you. okay? >> thank you. very much. i have a million questions and i can't remember any of them.
>> we'll get it set up as long as you're willing to meet with us, we'll come to you. >> really? are you kidding? you tried to save my son. >> pat, i know one of the things that has frustrated you from the get-go was the fact that the phone call where your son reveals, we got the message. you're pretty much on your own. these three guys tried to get there a half hour earlier but were told hold on, let's straighten things out first. >> yes. but who gave it? who is the one that ordered that? who is the stupid idiot that we have in our government that would order something like that? >> apparently it was bob the c.i.a. chief, right? >> that's who we got our orders from. >> what happened to hillary and obama? why aren't they doing something? it was their area! they don't give a damn about
their people! that's how i feel. i'm sorry. >> no, please. you can vent to us all you want. it's fine with us. please do. >> i want to do things for you. i don't want to vent to you. you guys are wonderful. >> thank you. >> you're the son that i don't have anymore. now i've got three more. >> yeah. you got three and you got two more, too, that just in the wings. >> please, i want to meet you all. i want to meet you all personally and give you all a big kiss and a hug. >> thank you. >> yes, thank you very much. >> thank you, ma'am. >> we will do our best to make sure that you all get together soon. >> god bless you, miss smith. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, pat smith, for joining us live. also chris, mark and john. their book is "13 hours." thank you. >> thank you. he says no boots on the
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president obama promising last night no american boots on the ground in iraq. but he has ordered more than 400 troops to the war torn country for aid. up to 1600 now. is the president walking into yet another war that he thought he could avoid? here to react, member of the senate armed services committee, west virginia senator democrat senator joe manchin. senator manchin, did you like what you heard last night? >> i never seen the president this resolved. i felt good about that. i saw what he was committed to. he has a plan. i like what he laid out from that standpoint. we have to see it unfold.
today we'll have an all member meeting at 4:00 o'clock. hopefully we'll get questions answered that i need to have more of a comfort zone. but the no boots on the ground is something that i have been committed to. i don't believe that us getting involved in an occupation-type war has proven that it's benefited anybody. we did this 12, 13 years ago. i don't second guess it. i don't condemn. the bottom line is it didn't work out well. is iraq in a better position than they were before we got there and in libya and the whole north africa? >> right. maybe we hope to get it back to where it was in 2007. can we win the war with syrian free army, what's left of the iraqi ground forces, because we're not going in, or mosul who is more of a defensive force, does that worry you? >> well, also as i've said, i want to see who the coalition is. is the other arab nations, the neighbors in that area, the saudis, the uae's and all the different people r they going to
be committed? as they as concerned as we are? they should be. it's in their backyard. this is not just a war on the western or christians. this is a war on humanity. and i would hope everyone would have the same concerns we have. that's what we're going to learn today. but the bottom line is, only thing i know is that any time we tried to arm people who think we are the friendlies there, they ends up using it against us. those arms are used against us. so i'm very concerned about that. >> this is what worries me, is that this is a area -- this group controls about 8 million people. it's the size of maryland. we're going to take it down with lightly armed troops. our best fighters had trouble taking fallujah and a mattie. now tear taking new fighters. senator feinstein among the democrats who is a little critical of the president that time is wasting and this threat and the president's got to do more and listening to his intelligence advisors. >> i have all the respect for diane feinstein.
she's an excellent chairman. she does her homework. she briefs us. she's been very, very forth coming. i really appreciate her straightforwardness on that and with that being said, if i was the white house, i would take her advice. >> great, do you want to vote in congress to authorize his battle plan? >> absolutely. we need to vote in congress. i said this. if i was president, i would definitely want the buy-in from congress. i would want the input from congress and if we have a resolution, it should be an open ended resolution to why we can have some amendments and have some inputs. that's what needs to happen to solidify this country back and be resolved enough to defend ourselves. >> the white house doesn't listen to you enough. hopefully they'll listen to start changing their tactic today. senator manchin, always great to talk to you, thank you. >> thank you. coming up straight ahead in the final hour, breaking overnight, a judge just clearing olympic star oscar pistorius of premeditated murder charges. we can take you live outside the courthouse with the developing details. that's at the top of the hour. back in a moment
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good morning. today is thursday, september 11. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. a fox news alert, a judge clearing olympic star oscar pistgrhus of premeditated murder charges. the reason why live from the courthouse in south africa. the president finally talking tough on terror. >> this is a core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> he's vowing to destroy isis now. but he won't call it a war. his four-point plan strategy, not a war plan, straight ahead. two years to the day, mother of sean smith, one of the americans killed in benghazi speaks for the first time to the men that tried to save him. >> you guys are wonderful. >> thank you. >> you're the son that i don't have anymore. now i've got three more. >> yeah. >> the emotional first encounter
you'll only see right here. mornings are better with friends live look at the world trade center. believe it or not, 13 years after 9-11-2001, that is the freedom tower. once a sketch for the longest time. now we can say it is completed along with the tribute down there. of course, along with the museum that is finally set up. >> it's a beautiful building. >> here you see the tribute in light. last night those blue beams strongly standing tall into the sky as america remembers. >> and a little over one hour ago down in the washington, d.c. area, as you can see right there, as has become the tradition at the pentagon on the western facade, they lowered the flag. remember, it was the final strike of a building when the
terrorists flew a jet liner into that western facade at the pentagon killing everybody on board the airplane and about 150 people who worked in the pentagon. >> steve, it was very soon after the plane went into that building when that flag came down, as they started to rebuild that building. >> the commemoration starts live down at what was known as ground zero. now down at the world trade center center area this hour and you will see it right here on the fox news channel. >> you sure will. we have a fox news alert for you, a twist that many didn't see coming in the oscar pistorius trial. a judge just clearing him of premeditated murder charges. but that trial is not over. paul pillsly who was in the courtroom has more for us live. good morning to you, paul. >> reporter: good morning to you. it's quite a scene here. already small demonstrations have started of women's league
supporters against the verdict from the judge. while the whole judgment is still going on, she said two major points. she said that oscar pistorius is not guilty of premeditated murder and oscar pistorius is not guilty of unplanned murder. that only leaves the lesser charge of culpable homicide. perhaps giving an indication of how she's going to go and she's going to discuss that in the next hour. perhaps giving an indication of how it's going to go, the judge said that oscar pistorius acted unlawfully when he fired his weapon at the door. earlier the judge dismissed the ear witnesses, these are the people who said they heard shots and screams from the pistorius house on the night. she dismissed the messages between reeva steenkamp and oscar pistorius. she said all relationships are dynamic. and what happened was quite amazing with oscar pistorius. once the main verdict was given that he is not guilty of
premeditated murder, his shoulders dramatically slumped forward and he started to cry uncontrollably. an ongoing scene here in pretoria. back to you. >> wow. >> thank you. >> paul, thank you very much. that is the latest in south africa. the way they break up the verdict is surprising. usually it's yes or no, guilty or not guilty. the next charge coming up soon. >> we had judge napolitano on an hour ago and he said he was impressed with the judge in this case. meanwhile, our top story, it was last night from the white house the president of the united states made a prime time address. it was about 15 minutes in length and even though in the past he has referred to isis or isil as the jv, he said they -- he didn't have any strategy and took a lot of heat for make comments about the american journalist who was beheaded and went golfing. his polls have since tanked. last night the president of the united states reacting to isis and the threat of isil, as he
calls it, made it very clear, we're going to destroy them. he's got a four-point plan. here it is. >> first, we will conduct a systematic campaign of air strikes against these terrorists. second, we will increase our support to forces fighting these terrorists on the ground. third, we will continue to draw on our substantial counterterrorism capabilities that prevent isil attacks. fourth, we will continue to provide humanitarian assistance to innocent civilians who have been displaced by this terrorist organization. so this is our strategy. >> that's his strategy. he laid it out. he was 15 minutes. he seemed very strong. i mean, he seemed like he was there. a lot of times to see him really passionate, you have to talk about minimum wage or equal pay. there he was talking about a strategy going forward. but the analogy to saying the success they had in somalia and yemen, it will be like that kind of scares me 'cause we're just targeting individual terrorists in those countries.
where this is a huge swath of terrorists, well financed, extremely well armed, a lot of them have our stuff, and so far without a commitment on ground troops, you wonder how effective we can be. >> questions arose after just a month ago, august 8, the president undermined the ability of moderates that we could be arming in terms of what they could do potentially to defeat isis or isil. to then say no, this is now our plan has americans wondering why perhaps some are hoping not, but is this a reaction to recent polling where they don't believe this president will do what it takes to get the job done. but the president certainly does think he is doing a great job. here ex spiking the football, saying we are indeed safer today. >> over the last several years, we have consistently taken the fight to terrorists who threaten our country. we took out osama bin laden and much of al-qaeda's leadership in afghanistan and pakistan. we've targeted al-qaeda's affiliate in yemen and recently
eliminated the top commander of its affiliate in somalia. we've done so while bringing more than 140,000 american troops home from iraq and drawing down our forces in afghanistan where our combat mission will end later this year. thanks to our military and counterterrorism professionals, america is safer. >> i cannot believe he cited -- and i forgot he did that -- bringing hope the troops p iraq is probably the most controversial thing as of today than anything he's done. we don't want 14 there. we need a stump fighting or else this could have happened. we don't have that speech, if you leave 20,000 there. yet the president said that was one of the great things and i'm concerned he's going to do the same thing in afghanistan. >> the 38 million people that went back and watched in 2007, president bush stated clearly the danger would be worse if we left too soon. there are 38 million people since have come here and watched
that, seen that video which now is unfolding before our eyes. >> the president of the united states, this one, is actually copying what george bush's strategy was and that was to go get em and kill them over there before they come here, particularly of interest on this, the september 11. we've got a new fox news poll out that shows this, and that -- the question is this: are we in the united states safer today than we were 13 years ago? just like the president just said. you know what? 43% of you say that we are safer. but 45% say less safe. 8% say about the same. what's interesting is on that top line, it was just back in 2010 where a majority of americans say they're safer and now we've dropped ten points. that does not inspire confidence. >> 77% answered that it is likely they believe that isis will try to launch an attack on
u.s. soil soon, when asked. 77% responded yes, it is likely in my head and heart that isis will try to launch an attack on u.s. soil. does that give a reading that americans right now feel more safe? >> when the homeland security secretary, secretary of state and attorney general all say this is the gravest threat they've seen since they took the job, eric holder, jay johnson, as well as secretary of state john kerry, that alarms people, along with the chairman of intelligence in the house, mike rogers. also we see the lethality in which isis is putting together and killing people in the area of syria and iraq, knowing that at least 100, maybe 200 americans are fighting amongst them and they have passports to come right back. >> it is good that the president came out very strongly last night and said, we're going to go out there and destroy them because when you look at his history, and it's just a fact, in the beginning when george bush was talking about the surge, barak obama then senator,
was against it for the most part. >> as was hillary clinton.ç >> absolutely. but barak obama was against it until he became president and then started taking credit for it. then when it's time to leave iraq, rather than leave a small residual force, nothing. had he acted and left some people in place, many of the smart guys who analyze this every day say we would not be in the pickle we are today. >> yeah. i think that's basically it and i'm worried he's going to do the same thing in afghanistan if people don't speak up. coming up, our analysis of the president's speech continues in just a minute. up next, peter johnson, jr. is here. he says the speech could turn his presidency around. do you agree with that? we'll discuss. the mother of sean smith, one of the americans killed two years ago today in benghazi, speaks for the very first time to the three guys who tried to save her son. >> you guys are wonderful. >> thank you. >> you're the son that i don't
have anymore. >> thank you. >> now i've got three more. >> yeah. >> the emotional encounter that was just here in just a minute can this decadent, fruit-top pastry with indulgent streusel crumbles be from... fiber one? fiber one streusel. available at walmart.
we have a look at some other stories making headlines today. the nfl is struggling to get back on offense after a bombshell revelation five months ago, the league reportedly received video of ray rice punching his then fiance. but nfl commissioner roger goodell says that he didn't see the tape until this week. goodell now calling in former f.b.i. chief robert muller to investigate the nfl's handling of the case. then three members of the security team in benghazi, libya, two years ago speaking out just moments ago on "fox & friends," saying that american lives may have been saved if a stand down order had not been given that day. state department officials sean
smith was among the four victims. his mother pat smith was on the show a short while ago. she got a chance to talk to the men who tried to save her son for the very first time on "fox & friends." listen to this exchange. >> please know that -- if you gotten that far in the book, that your son said prayers when we found him. so we did say our prayers over him. >> you guys are wonderful. >> thank you. >> you're the son that i don't have anymore. >> thank you. >> now i've got three more. >> helping to bring her just a little bit of peace. and those are your headlines. this is a core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> president obama's address last night was littered with references to americaning andallism and the greatness of the united states. so what will this changed
attitude mean? joining me is peter johnson, jr. >> as we predicted yesterday, the president invoked america, america, america, and america again, i think to great effect. the issue is will the action match the rhetoric? for the first time, we heard a president, president obama, invoking american exceptionalism and american nationalism. let's see how he touted american exceptionalism last night. >> america is better positioned today to seize the future than any other nation on earth. it is america that has the capacity and the will to mobilize the world against terrorists. but as americans, we welcome our responsibility to lead. >> clearly the president's speech writers and the president decided to look at the speeches of abraham lincoln, ronald reagan, and even bill clinton to some extent in examining what this president should be doing going forward. let's look at what president reagan -- yes, president reagan
said in 1983 about the downing by the soviets of the korean airliner. >> we know it will be hard to make a nation that rules its own people through force to cease using force against the rest of the world. but we must try. this is not a role we sought. we preach no manifest destiny. but like americans who began this country and brought forth this last best hope of mankind, history has asked much of the americans of our own time. much we have already given. much more we must be prepared to give. >> captivating moment there. >> it was a captivating moment. and president obama last night, i believe, tried to match that kind of compelling let's look at what he said about our safety depending on our willingness to defend our nation. >> our own safety, our own security depends upon our willingness to do what it takes to defend this nation and uphold the values that we stand for.
timeless ideals that will endure long after those who offer only hate and destruction have been vanquished from the earth. >> so quickly, i say, as we remember our lost sons and daughters of america on this 9-11, let's give the president a chance. let's see if he acts in accordance with his words last night. time to stand up and stand for the president. we need to dwight isis or isil or whatever you want to call it. congress needs to step up now big time. >> and america needs the president's words to mean something and actions to follow. well said. >> there has been problems in the past. let's see if he does better this time. >> thank you. up next, your reaction to the president's speech. we share your e-mails and tweets. stay with us. then a look back at the moment awful our lives changed forever as it happened. we're remembering 9-11 13 years later
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today marks 13 years since terrorists killed the a-- attacked the united states, killing thousands of americans in new york city and washington and shanksville, pennsylvania, forever changing many lives. this morning the victims, survivor, heros and their families are all being remembered. rick leventhal live at the 9-11 memorial. it was 13 years ago today you were down there, but for a different reason. >> reporter: yeah. we were there for the worst dave our lives. today we're here to remember and honor the victims of that attack on 9-11 and there are family members gathered at the base of
one world trade hyped me for a ceremony starting less than 20 minutes from now. of course, other ceremonies, including at the pentagon where the flag that was draped over that building after the 9-11 attack was unfurled again this morning at dawn. the president will lay a wreath at the pentagon later this morning. in new york, the ceremony officially begins at 8:39 a.m there will be the reading of the names by the family members and there will be six moments of silence for the times when the two planes hit the two towers, when the towers fell, and when the other planesç hit the pentagon and in shanksville, pennsylvania. there will be thousands of police officers here and specialized teams in uniform and undercover using high-tech tools and bomb sniffing dogs to try and keep the peace. we heard from the police commissioner about his concerns about security and major concerns about isis. >> isis creates a totally new area of threat for us, one that is probably even more potentially impactful on us than al-qaeda. their ability to inspire not only those who will go there to fight and then potentially come
back, but also to inspire the so-called disaffected sitting in their basements, poring over their computer terminals. they have incredible ability to influence those young men and women. >> reporter: last night lanterns were placed in shanksville, pennsylvania, the names of the passengers and crew of flight 93 will be read at a memorial this morning beginning at 10:03 a.m. and bells of remembrance will be rang for all the victims in pennsylvania. congressional medals will be he wants prosecuted all all three sites today. but again, this ceremony, a compelling and very important one scheduled to begin less than 20 minutes from now. >> rick lech at all live from -- leventhal, 13 years ago today was the worst day of many people's lives. >> right. and you're about to see rick's unbelievable work as we look back at that day 13 years ago. we promised that we'd get to your e-mails on the president's speech last night to get viewer responses. >> that's right.
linda, you said the president talks about coalition, but who will trust us, especially when we have the doctor who tend us track down osama bin laden and look where that got him? in prison. >> yeah, he's still sitting there. john paul franks tweets says president obama's speech last night, too little, too late, too uncertain. >> the president gave his speech last night on the each of september 11, as is the tradition here at the fox news channel, we'll never forget and every year we do show just one time those iconic images of the planes flying into the buildings and the buildings crash. we only do it once a year so the people never forget. we were actually -- brian and i were actually in our chairs here just 13 years ago. >> we were in bill o'reilly's studio and edie was between us, which is now bill o'reilly's studio. let's look at september 11 as it happened as seen on fox news.
>> we have a very tragic alert for you right now. an incredible plane crashed into the world trade center here at the lower tip of manhattan. >> it's believed the 737 that's crashed into this, speculation that at least three -- joining
us, one of the producers with fox report on the scene. owen, what do you know? >> reporter: i'm on the roof of my building, about five blocks to the south of the world trade center. i'm looking right now at the world trade center. there is a massive gaping hole on the second tower. it's about 15 stories from the roof. it's unbelievable to look at. you can see it right now. you can see emergency vehicles heading toward the team. tons of people in the street. there are papers, things fluttering out. can't see any evidence of what it was that could have crashed. all i can see is that there is a massive, gaping hole with tons of glass broke. >> all we can do is stare aghast at these pictures at this point. you are looking at the north building of the twin towers of the world trade center in manhattan.
these are coming to you live now. debris raining down from 110 floors up. as you can see, this is a clear blue sky day in manhattan. if this was an accident, it would be a needle in a hay stack kind of accident. there was another one. we just saw another one. we just saw another one apparently go -- another plane just flew into the second tower. this raises -- this has to be deliberate, folks. we just saw on live television as a second plane flew into the second tower of the world trade center. given what has been going on
around the world, some of the key suspects come to mind, osama bin laden. who knows what? eric shawn is with us. i know you have a lot of sources at the f.b.i. and other agencies like that. what can you tell us? >> of course i apologize for being out of breath 'cause i was walking down fifth avenue, which is close to our studios and i heard a jet, perhaps a 737 or a small airbus flying low, unusually low over fifth avenue making a right. i'm not going to -- i don't have any reports on what type of plane hit the world trade center, but people looked up and it made a right toward the building. >> it is a tragedy. it is abhorrent. it is disgusting. i'm wondering, are these pilots
terrorists themselves? are there terrorists in the cockpit who are holding guns to a pilot's head? >> i can't imagine -- >> you can speculate completely about how this happens because obviously it takes a lot of training and expertise to fly a complicated, sophisticated aircraft, whether it's a boeing 737 or a smaller airbus. these are not little cessnas and little pipers. so you have to wonder and raise what important there is with the type of scenario going on in the cockpit. >> our wendell goler is at the white house, rather make that sarasota. he's traveling with the president. wendell goler, what's the reaction from the president? >> reporter: john, the president is here promoting a reading initiative on the second day of a two-day trip to florida.
he just finished reading to children at the school and asked about the incident, he said he was aware of it and that he would have something to say about it later. >> let's bring in david lee miller, our correspondent. he has an eyewitness with him, david lee, what can you tell us? >> good morning. a few blocks from the world trade center right now, all the roadways are pretty much cut off. the only way to get near the buildings is on foot right now. the scene is absolutely a horrific one. you have people streaming out of the area. you got people literally in tears and shocked. people working in the nearby buildings that cannot believe what has happened. still many remember the terrorist attack years ago on the world trade center and many of them, this is just an ugly reminder of all. although the details are not certain. as i was walking making my way to the world trade center, i stopped to speak to sylvia,
we're a few blocks away from the buildings. she used to work in the trade center. i'm going to hand her the telephone right now. she's going to describe for us what she saw this morning as she was arriving at work. >> i heard a loud rumbling. when i walked out, i looked up in the air. there was an airplane actually going into the world trade center and flames were coming out and smoke was just billowing in the air and tons of people were running down fulton street, running each other over. i made my way back to my office. when i got upstairs, i looked out my window to see what was going on and the second world trade center just went into flames. from one minute to the next. >> sylvia, thanks for that eyewitness report. when we saw that second plane slam into the second tower intentionally, quite clearly, you got to believeç this is a terrorist attack. harvey is on the line a frequent
guest of ours and a terrorism expert. harvey, is it too early to speculate about suspects? >> one thinks only this could be the most horrifically planned incident in the anals in terrorism against the united states. think about it. you look outside, the fox studio, look how clear it is. how could you miss the trade towers? not just one, but two planes? >> well, and it brings to mind everybody hates those metal detectors at airports and everybody makes passing through them almost a joke these days. but clearly it seems that something is going to change if you can make this kind of statement and kill as many people as are likely to be dead in this kind of scenario. >> john, we're talking about terrorism. no matter how this turns out, this is going to be a day that's going to live in infamy and it's going to cause changes in terms
of security like this country has never seen before. >> president bush is about to speak. he's in florida on what was supposed to be a joyous event at an elementary school. let's listen in. >> today we've had a national tragedy. two airplanes have crashed into the world trade center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country. i have spoken to the vice president, to the governor of new york, to the director of the f.b.i., and have ordered that the full resources of the federal government go to help the victims and their families and to conduct a full-scale investigation to hunt down and to find those folks who committed this act. terrorism against our nation will not stand.
now if you join they a moment of sigh -- me it a moment of silence. may god bless the victim, their families, and america. thank you very much. >> we are going to be look at an enormous death toll. 50,000 people work in those two buildings. john fund from the "wall street journal" is on the phone with us. john, were you in the area when the planes hit? >> i was across the street in my office building. >> what did you see? what did you hear? >> i heard an incredible sonic boom and looked up and there was already much smoke and flames pouring out of the building. about 15 minutes later, the second sonic boom, which would have been the second tower and the second plane. rible and heartnjuries? rending thing about this is about 15 minutes ago, bodies
started dropping from the top floors of the -- closest to the highway. about at least five or six. it was absolutely terrible. obviously they had two choices. to be burned in flames or to leap and end it all. it was quite tragic. >> let me bring you to the conversation david, my colleague. what can you tell us? >> i want to give you some late-breaking information issues perhaps one of the things that is of greatest fear is that there is yet another terrorist attack, since those two plane crashes happened within 20 minutes of each other, all of manhattan has been sealed off. this is probable low unprecedented. all of this is unprecedented in this dastardly occasion. but manhattan has been sealed off. the hudson river bridges and the tunnels have been sealed. clearly there is an attempt right now to thwart any further act of terrorism, act of
violence against the people of manhattan. so manhattan is in a lockdown. we are hearing right now another explosion that has taken place at the pentagon. we have the heart of the financial district of america being attacked. now we understand that there is an explosion or has been an explosion in the pentagon, the heart of the military command center of the united states of america, john. it can't get much worse than this, let's hope. >> you got to believe that it has happened again, another large airliner, perhaps hijacked, perhaps part of some
widespread plan apparently slamming into at least the area around the pentagon. they have not struck at america. they have struck at some individual places in america, but this country will go on. >> i want to go to our washington managing editor, brit hume, who has the outlook from the nation's capitol. this raises all kinds of questions about america's response and i guess that response is not going to be immediate, is it? >> well, whether it is immediate or not, the one thing i think we are seeing is this series of evacuations from various buildings around washington. and i think it's important to say that we don't know and have no reason to believe that the white house, for example, was facing any immediate or imminent threat. the same is true on capitol hill where it appears they will be evacuating the building up here soon. nothing has happened at either of those places. this, john, i think this is one of these days where we can say that things will not again be
the same in the united states of america. this is the kind of terrorist attack that is the nightmare that experts and others have warned about, but some of us may have thought really could not happen on such a scale. this is quite remarkable. >> as we watch these pictures. the world trade center, 110 stories, literally starting to fall. >> it's gone! the whole tower! >> holy crap! they knocked the whole friggen thing down. >> i hope i live. i hope i live. it's coming down on me. here it comes. i'm getting behind a car.
you okay, sir? okay. >> you are inside the world trade center. doing what? >> getting ready to go upstairs and search. >> how did you get out? >> we found our way out. >> walk toward the light. >> hello? >> david lee, what can you tell us? >> john, the scene is horrific. one of the two towers literally collapsed. i was picking my way to the foot of the world trade center, suddenly while talking to an officer, asking me about my press credentials, we heard a loud blast explosion. we looked up and the building literally began to collapse before us. there was debris falling at least three quarters of the height of the building. the entire perimeter began literally, including myself, that's why i'm out of breath, to
run for our lives. >> those steel girders, strong as they are, have a lot of weight to support and apparently -- i'm not a structural engineer, but i'm just guessing now that they gave way. the loss of life here is going to be enormous. >> god help those who are there and the victims and their families and all the souls lost today. >> can you tell me what you saw, what you heard? you all right? >> look at this guy. unbelievable. unbelievable. this poor woman. wow. >> united 93.
united 93, do you still hear cleveland? united 93, united 93, do you hear cleveland? >> 85 miles southwest of pittsburgh, united airlines flight 93 crashed. >> from the size of the impact crater, it would appear it angled nearly straight in. >> i think the pilot downed the plane in a remote area. there wasn't very many house there is where it went down. i don't know. the whole thing is unbelievable. >> this is clearly a national catastrophe. there will be some response from the white house. let's go to wendell goler who was traveling with the president in sarasota, florida and find out what the latest is there. wendell? >> reporter: the president left sarasota, florida air force one took off just a short while ago. convened a meeting of his national security advisor, including the vice president, heads of the c.i.a., national security agency, and the f.b.i. and also new york governor pataki of a the two attacks on
the twin towers in new york. he was briefed by his national security advisor, condoleeza rice, who phoned him after the first attack. mr. bush was reading to some children when the second attack occurred. chief of staff andy card interrupted him, told him about the attack, it was clear we were dealing with terrorists. >> i want to bring into the conversation general al hague, the former secretary of state. general hague, at a time like this, how does america respond prudently with the proper amount of caution and yet with whatever force needs to be applied? >> first we have to know the full limits of this tragedy and it's unprecedented, of course. but we have to stay above all united and calm and ready to take resolute action which sometimes we have failed to do in the recent past. when the perpetrators are uncovered and we have many, many
indicators of precisely who they are, this was too broadly based a terrorist act to be just a few crazies. this is a terrorist movement and we know where they're located today. obviously as a nation, we're going to have to take action against them. >> there it goes! there it goes! there it goes! we do need to put it down now. i think you need to put it down now. here we go. >> america, offer a prayer.
>> that is exactly as it happened 13 years ago today. we show it once a year because if you don't take time to remember, u forget. you got to remember how it felt and what it all meant. >> and what it looked like and what it means to americans today. you're now seeing a live look at the white house where the president and first lady are about to walk out and ground zero where a moment of silence is about to begin. >> as you recall, it was 13 years ago today at 8:46 that the first airplane, american airlines flight 11 crashed into the north towers between the floors of 93 and 99. >> the memorial will be open to the families all day. shut down to the general public. about 6:00 o'clock you can go down. right now it's about the
president marking this moment with a moment of silence and hopefuldy!at your house, your school, and of course downtown in new york city. >> what you're going to see in the next 15 minutes here on the fox news channel is you're going to see the annual reading of the names, but it starts with a moment of silence. so let's go live now to washington and lower manhattan. (bell tolling) ♪
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>> richard anthony asetto. >> paul aquvida. >> christian adams. >> donald leroy adams. >> patrick adams. >> shannon lewis adams. >> steven george adams. >> ignatius udo adanga. >> kristy adamal. >> terrence edward attarly, junior. >> sophia v.azu. >> lee ad letter. >> daniel thomas ablito. >> emmanuel akwawa. >> joseph addenelo. >> david scott agnes. >> doll alberto.
>> brian g.ahern. >> joanne marie aliotis. >> terrence andre agin. >> goodwin agala. >> trudy m. aldero. >> margaret n. alaro. >> john leslie albert. >> pita craig alderman. >> my father, john leslie albert. he was a dedicated father, loving husband, a respected colleague. he's sorely missed. >> and my sister, dorothy r. morgan. you stand tall in our hearts. >> jacqueline elaine avisbedly.
>> anna alipapo. >> eric allen. >> joseph ryan allen. >> victor dennis allen. >> richard l. allen. >> christopher allenhouse. >> anna f. allison. >> janet marie alonzo. >> anthony alvarado. >> antonio alvarez. >> victoria alvarez rita. >> elmo alvir. >> angela amaranzo. >> james m. amhas zo. >> paul w.abros. >> wade scott amundsen.
>> joseph achundia. >> yvette constance anderson. >> john jack handserfield. >> jean ann andruki. >> joseph ange leany, senior. >> joseph and john angilini, junior. >> mary lynn edwards angel. >> laura angeleta. >> doreen angarsani. >> my beautiful, loving daughter, maria santilian. your dad and i love you very much and always in our prayers. also sending their love and kisses from your brother, victor
and his wife, talia and two nephews. also from your youngest brother, raymond and his wife, jen, and you have a new niece, martha, which we named her after your nickname. tomorrow she will be two years old. may god bless your soul and the soul of our niece, judy jesus fernandez. lastly may all -- may god bless all the souls of 9-11 victims. >> and my husband, michael. we love you. we miss you and not a day goes by that we don't think of you. >> peter paul apollo. >> frank thomas aquilino. >> david gregory archie. >> michael george arzinsky.
>> adam p. era. >> michael j. armstrong. >> jack charles aaron. >> joshua todd ang. >> richard avery arono. >> carl francis asaro. >> michael a. asiak. >> thomas j. ashton. >> manuel o.saimabay. >> gerald atwood. >> lewis f be fabersano, junior. >> arlene t. babakatis. >> jane allen basilar. >> andrew j. bailey. >> bret t. bailey.
>> garnet a. bailey. >> tatiana balanskias. >> sharon m. balcome. >> katherine bantis. >> and my brother, love you always. miss you still. god bless america. >> and my uncle, sean, i never got the chance to meet you, but you'll always be inç our heart. >> gerard baptist. >> walter baran. >> gerard a.brevara. >> paul vin vent barbaro. >> victor daniel barbosa. >> colleen ann barcab. >> david michael barkway.
>> matthew barns. >> melissa rose barns. >> sheila patricia barns. >> edmund j. baron. >> arthur thaddeus barry. >> diane g. barry. >> lorise vincent barry. >> scott d. barr. >> carlton w. bartel. >> guy barsby. >> inav. besina. >> kenneth william backniky. >> steven joseph baits. >> paul james bataglia. >> w. david bower. >> yvonne louise carpio batista. >> mar low batista.
>> mark lawrence bavis. >> jasper baxter. >> lorraine g. bay. >> michelle belle. >> todd m. beamer. >> paul frederick biatina. >> jane s. beaty. >> alan anthony began. >> carl john badikian. >> michael ernest beakman. >> and my husband, port authority police officer, warwin wellington stewart. let's all come together as a country to pray for our leaders that god will grant them wisdom, knowledge and understanding in directing them on moving this country forward. thank you.
>> my wife, sarif. no day shall erase her from the memory of time. >> maria a. bayer. >> jack belke. >> knee napa therese bell. >> debbie s. bell lows. >> steven elliott bellson. >> paul m. beneditti. >> brian craig bennett. >> eric l. bennett. >> oliver bennett. >> margaret l. benson. >> dominic j.berardi. >> james patrick berga. >> steven howard berger. >> john t. bergen. >> alvin bergshaun. >> daniel david bergstein.
>> graham andrew berkeley. >> michael j. berkeley. >> donna m. burnours. >> david w. bernard. >> william h. burnstein. >> david m beret. >> david shelby barry. >> joseph john barry. >> william reed bethke. >> timothy d. betterly. >> carolyn myer buge. >> edward frank bia. >> paul michael bia. >> anil baharani. >> peter alexander beihlbuild. >> william g. bigart. >> brian eugene bilcher. >> mark bingham.
>> paul vincent beanie. >> my uncle, frank, we all miss you terribly. >> my brother, james joseph kelly, you are forever in our hearts, we miss you every day and love you. >> gary eugene bird. >> george john bishop. >> jeffrey donald bigner. christopher joseph blackwell. >> carrie blackburn. >> sue and blairp. >> harry
who is wearing a wig? we're talking about who is wearing a wig. who is wearing the rig. >> rig? >> rig. >> now my ears are going. let's get a check on the day ahead before we toss it over to "morning joe." vice president joe biden announces new funding to help train americans for jobs in cyber security. oscar nominations come out this morning at 8:30 eastern. the 87th academy awards take place february 22nd. will the golden globes have been an determination for who gets nominated? what do you think, gang? >> maybe. >> oh, my gosh. the energy is here in palmable. can you feel i'll at home? "morning joe" starts right now. ♪
>> good morning. it is thursday january 15th. welcome to "morning joe," emp.",,"",," everyone. with us onset is foreign affairs columnist and editor at large for "time" magazine ian bremer. and associate professor at columbia university school of international and public affairs, dorian warren. in washington, msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steel joins us. in san diego, editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin halperin. >> it's surprisingly like willie geist at 3:00 in the morning. >> he is up early. lovely background. >> gorgeous. that is gorgeous. you know mika these ohio people are just crazy. like what's the matter with ohio? i'm going to write a book called" what's the matter with ohio". >> who do you mean? >> whom the gods would destroy,
they first make mad. the second thing they do is give them a national championship. they burn down the campus. >> burn a couch. >> you're thinking okay that's not bad. it happen right? we, of course don't do that in alabama because you kind of get bored by winning championships. >> big ten here. >> but then willie -- >> i see where this is going. >> but then but then they get a bartender who wants to poison the speaker of the house. the orange america's first orange speaker. and they hate him just because of the color of his skin. but they're going to kill him for that. right? >> what? >> then another ohio dude decides he's going to blow up the capitol. >> i think they're one in the same, but whatever. >> was it the same dude? >> no. >> it's not. it's a different dude. >> i'm telling you, these buckeyes -- >> i think it's too early, joe. >> no this is serious point. >> i know. >> you can draw a straight line to urban meyer going to ohio
state and all of these terror plots. >> did you take your meds? >> am i the only one surprised? >> did you take your meds? >> hold on a second. dan dan, alex is this not happening? >> it's happening. >> it's a coincidence, they say. >> do we take over flyover states, do we do that? >> only -- only if i go there. and then it's the center of the world. then i come back to the coast and we just talk about the coast. and barack obama. >> yes, yes, yes. >> those poll numbers. >> i know. >> they're going high. they're getting up there. >> i'm not surprised. that's good yes. >> you know what they say. >> what? >> whom the gods will destroy, they give a majority in congress. it's always a surprise how president s do so much better when the opposing party controls congress. >> yeah. the dynamic, yes. >> it always happens. americans start looking at that president who they didn't really
like when he had a monopoly and they go wait a second we need him there to balance out the republicans, or vice versa. >> we'll get to that as well as other political news in just a moment. but first, on a serious note there are -- >> that was very serious. >> yes it was. there are new concerns about homegrown terrorism after authorities say they thwarted a terror plot against one of the country's most iconic buildings. an ohio man now facing charges for allegedly plotting a military style attack on the capitol capitol. officials say he was inspired by islamic state militants and anwar al awlaki. the u.s. born spokesman for al qaeda. this is the man now in custody. 20-year-old christopher lee cornell. koert documents say he wanted to plant pipe bombs around the capitol and then shoot officials who tried running away. investigators say he came to their attention last august when he used an alias to post pro-isis messages on twitter.
court documents also say he discussed his plans with a man that he thought was sympathetic. the man was actually working undercover for the fbi. officials say cornell was arrested after he bought two semi automatic rifles and 600 rounds of ammunition at a gun range. the fbi says the public was never in danger. cornell's father says his son did recently convert to islam but can't believe what he's being accused of. >> people that really know chris, they know he's a good guy. i don't think -- like i said you know i was completely blind sided by this. this came as a complete surprise, you know? chris is -- i mean he never leaves the house. he's a mommy's boy. he never showed any -- any signs of any -- any kind of violence or anything. i mean quiet, shy, good kid. >> you feel bad, so bad for dad.
but, willie if he hasn't left the house in 20 something years, that's a good warning. >> he's not that good a kid, dad. i understand dad is not feeling great about what happened. the police say he's hardly a model terrorist, re-enforcing what the father said. you can't leave the go i untouched if he's talking to informants and blowing up the capitol you've got to do something. great work by the fbi, unlgds cover, used their intelligence and took him down at a gun shop yesterday. now to france where police may be on the verge of a big break in their investigation into the paris terror attacks. police confirm that amedi coubali rented a small home and filled it with weapons the week before his siege at a kosher supermarket. a french newspaper reports a scooter was found that could identify a possible accomplice. there's also new security camera footage from inside the grocery store. the gunmen can be seen ordering a hostage to put his hands against the wall and in another image a worker is forced to
stand on a stool to disable a camera. meanwhile, since last week's attack france has arrested more than 50 people after prosecutors ordered a crack down on hate speech antisemitism and individual supporting terrorism. it comes as the first issue of "charlie hebdo" since the massacre sold out across france within hours. the paper is so sought after that companies are going for more than $1,000 -- some of them are going for $1,000 on ebay. french president francois hollande says the magazine has been reborn and, quote, you could murder men and women but you could never kill their ideas. >> ian obviously france is having to focus mainly on antisemitism right now. that seems to be where they're focused. this is such a big problem in france and across europe isn't it? >> it's doing to become much larger. i mean the fact is that the economic environment continues to be incredibly poor in these countries for large swaths of
the population. there's a very great division within these societies. treatment of jews. you look at surveys. one just came out recently from britain britain. some 45% of respondents promoted antisemitism in some direct way. over 50% of jews responded felt like they did not have a clear future in britain. >> you're an european expert. it is just absolutely fascinating to me and horrifying to me how antisemitism has played such a large role in the history of europe over the past thousand years. there's always a reason and always an excuse given to hate jews in europe. of course now it's the palestinian conflict. but you could go back you know you could go back to the days of martin luther. i mean the people that we revere martin luther was a raging antisemite. you could look at the magna carta, yes, freedom for
everybody but jews. you don't have to repay debt to jews. you don't have to treat jews equally. this strain of antisemitism reached the climb maxax when 6 million jews were murdered in europe while a lot of anticommunisms stood there and watched. i just wonder how this continent has -- after hitler and after the holocaust, how 50 60 years later they have collective amnesia. >> it's interesting. it's one of the reason, of course, you do see a backlash in many european countries against the motions of the kind of expansive free speech that we support in the united states. it's not because they don't care about individual liberties but because precisely they're concerned ability reopening these boxes that can lead to hate speech and hate crimes against any minorities. this has been the year where pecetti has been the man for europe. much less so in the united states.
he's not become the kind of celeb he has in europe and he has in france. the fact that the european economy is not rebounding the fact that they're not going up you don't see the productivity. energy prices are higher. people are not benefiting. if you're in these countryiescountries, you feel you're a peasant work for you, you go back to your lowest common denominator which is about the individual nations. that's the problem. >> can you explain for everyone watching quickly. it's telling we were talking about a couple of years ago, the french and german lecturing barack obama and his administration on economics. can you explain the difference between america's economy and -- don't worry, republicans, i'm not giving barack obama the credit, i'm giving america the credit and i always said we're going to rebound and be strong. can you explain the difference between america's economy, as imperfect as it is and the state of europe's economy? as far as attitudes go and vitality and.
>> tlb a lod ophere are a lot of factors here. the revolution, we are the world's largest producer of calories in terms of food. >> right. >> the demographics are great. >> yeah, yeah yeah. just tell us why we're winning. >> those are reasons why we're winning. >> you're supposed to say manifest destiny and we're great. >> we took lots of greatertory. that's certainly true. you also have enormous support for entrepreneurship in the united states. much easier to start your own company. and there's no question that the general attitudes of americans, you've consistently had pugh research and the rest that 90% of americans polled believe they will end up in the top 10% or their kids will over the course of the next -- although that's clearly not true. it's not true in europe. >> right. that is the essence, mika of the american dream and that is the essence of this country's economic greatness that i can grow up in a small house and belief that i can either live in
a small house when i get older or i can work really hard and live in the biggest house on the hill and blah blah, blah. whatever. you have that feeling, but you talk to people from france aroundand you talk to business owners in france and they constantly talk about their frustration, that if they work hard and work around the clock and are entrepreneurs, they're actually looked upon with suspicion. and even though upward mobility has really collapsed in this country -- >> glad you just said that because i was -- >> -- there is still the belief here and i believe we're going to fix that that there's never been dorian, in great britain, that there's never been in france, this class structure that muslims feel trapped by a lot of middle class and lower middle class frenchmen and brits have felt that for centuries. >> for centuries. america was at one point especially in the mid to late 20th century the democracy of
equal opportunity. as we've just mentioned, a lot of those ladders of opportunity have closed in the last 20 30 years. but i was reading an article this morning about french immigrants and outer rings of paris where unemployment rates are at 20% and for many french -- or immigrant youth are at 40%. so there's a sense that there is no economic opportunity at all in many of those communities. that gets us to a conversation about what are the underlying causes that drive people towards radical ideologies in certain place sdpls place. >> you can drive through those suburbs and you can see it immediately, just the difference. really quickly, one final thing on unemployment, 40%. i saw a stat last week that unemployment in america for people with bachelor's degree is like 2%. isn't that remarkable? >> well, and also just really quickly, we were going to get to
these polls and i think we'll have time. but according to a new poll americans, 27% of americans say the economy is excellent for good. up 11 points from a year ago. so attitudes are changing. the republican national committee has announced dates for 2016 convention. the event will be held in cleveland, in mid july about six weeks earlier than 2012 convention. party chairman ryan moved up the convention as part of a strategy -- >> in ohio. do they really want to go there? >> the nominee gained earlier access to the general election funds. he has sought to strengthen it by scaling back the number of debates as well. mark halperin, you're in san diego covering the republican's winter meeting. what do we expect to hear from that? >> announcement later today the first day of the convention will be devoted to capturing terrorists and murderers. >> he brings it. >> never been done before. >> going to be hard getting back to the buckeye state for me. i love that place. >> the delegates are going to
fan over ohio and capture people and bring them back to the convention. governor romney will be here tomorrow night but you will hear ben carson and scott walker speaking today, rick perry is speaking tomorrow. all the buzz here is about the 2016 race and a lot of surprise and question about what governor romney is doing and whether it's a little bit of a mirage that he might not even run or if he does run, collapse before he gets ahead of steam, or has he transformed the race? >> michael steel, it's been a remarkable ten days maybe two weeks in the party that you once led. chairman of the rnc with jeb bush effectively announcing he's getting into the race. for all intents and purposes and mitt romney being pressured by the pace of jeb's announcement to do the same. >> right. >> what do you make of the developments over the last two weeks? do you think mitt romney/jeb bush do run? are they standing on the stage of those late debates? >> i do.
i think that mitt romney has done a reassessment of the caliber and quality of the potential challengers and said -- because you recall he said, you know i'm not going to run unless i see that there's someone or no one that can do this. i think he's looking at you know, his position on a number of issues whether it was on russia or the economy as being correct and he's got this new mojo. yeah, i think he's going to be there. he's going to be in play the same with jeb bush. i have to tell you, willie the exciting part for me is yet to come. that is the republican governors. when the republican governors begin to throw down on this thing and get in this race that's when i really think the dynamics change because you're talking about two former governors who have been out for 8 and 12 years respectively. you're talking about versus governors who served through the recession, who had to deal with barack obamacare, who had to deal with the changes in our economy and govern through that. so when they engage this this conversation, that's when it's
going to be a real test of wills within the gop, this whole establishment versus tea party. i think that kind of goes away. it's really going to be about who can govern this country and who has. >> mark halperin really unside baseball where politics and media collide. but i found it fascinating, you know you always hear the stories about how tabloids back in the 1800s would pick a party or bash this candidate and bash this. it's fascinating the little sort of back and forth when "the washington post" which has actually become mitt romney's newspaper and "new york times" which officially trashes mitt romney for the benefit of jeb bush. every day there's a anti-jeb story and a pro-mitt story in the "washington post" which is then followed by a pro-jeb story and an anti-mitt story in the "new york times." it has played that way out for the past couple of weeks. it's fascinating. >> of course the "wall street journal" editorial page breaks the tie and votes against
romney. the jeb people and mitt people are behind the scenes. the candidates -- would be candidates, are doing a ton of stuff but very little in public. jeb bush is in california as well. he's not doing public events. the press right now is consumed as you suggested, not just those two papers but a lot of political media with this question of will we see a romney/bush face-off. what will that mean for christie and the current gov vers michael steele recoverferred to. what happens right now will determine the contours of the race even if there's two dozen candidates besides those two guys. >> one more big story. secret service is undergoing a massive changing of the guard at the top with six of eight top officers leaving. already julia pearson, the agency's first woman in charge, stepped down in october. now four of the agency's assistant directors are being forced out. two others retiring.
"the washington post" was the first to report that the departures follow a series of security lapses in november a security contractor with an arrest record rode an elevator with the president in tlant while carrying a gun, and in the same month an iraq war veteran with a knife was able to climb the fence at the white house, making it into the building before being subdued by an off-duty agent because a number of security precautions failed. so let's bring in "washington post" reporter kara who has been leading the coverage and breaking all the stories every step of the way. >> your reporting has been absolutely extraordinary. tell us what's happened here. >> and is there more. >> thanks joe. thanks mika. there is probably going to be more but at least yesterday we were learning early in the morning that four assistant directors, which is kind of like the core group of people that run the secret service and have for decades, these four people were told they were going to be
out of their jobs that fresh ideas and a fresh perspective was needed. they got this news from the acting director joe clancy who you all know is very very well trusted, detail leader of president obama and almost as importantly is particularly well liked and trusted by the first lady. these four people are out, as well as two additional assistant directors who announced last month in the wake of a sort of scathing report about the secret service's leadership, they announced they were retiring. that means six out of eight people are gone. the only people that are still in leadership positions, the most senior ones are the deputy director who remains and the acting director. go ahead. >> cleaning house. >> carol, they really are cleaning house. i wanted to ask you though the one person incident among all those we listed where the guy leaped the fence, made his way into the front door of the white house and ran around for a while
until he was taken down by an off-duty agent. obviously shocked all of us. it shocked the american public. how big a shock to the system of the secret service was that? >> well, it was absolutely humiliating. even the fairly defensive secret service leadership had to admit that this was the lowest they had ever fallen. i interviewed some former senior officials who said they literally couldn't turn on the television they were so demoralized about the place that they love and they didn't want to read or see any more news about this because it was so devastating. i mean as congressman cummings said and congressman betty thompson said, you know, this is basic police work that no sort of local albuquerque police department would have been expected to fail at doing. >> i recall a leonnig, "washington post," appreciate it. come back. still ahead on "morning joe," behind the veil of radical islam, foreign correspondent joins us with his interview of a militant religious leader accused of radicalizing young jihadists. plus, the lessons to be learned from the events in paris. "time" magazine has them and we reveal the new issue. also this morning, the oscar nominations, they're being announced at 8:30 eastern time. we're going to bring them to you live with full analysis with the woman who oversees the hollywood reporter, janice mann. you're watching "morning joe." discover card. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? yeah, we help with fraud protection. we monitor every purchase every day and alert you if anything looks unusual. wow! you're really looking out for us. we are. and if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible. just to be clear you are saying "frog protection" right? yeah, fraud protection.
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joining us for the opinion pages chairman of take back our republic, the organization and former adviser, president of george w. bush mark mcken non, nice to see you. he still doesn't have a hat on. >> i want to talk to politics for a minute. jeb bush you've been saying that you thought that jeb was going to jump in. jeb looks like he's going to jump in.
mitt though kind of surprising. >> that's the big surprise. you know, jeb has thrown down the gauntlet and is all in as has been running a pretty formidable campaign early on and surprised a lot of people. now the latest surprise is that mitt romney despite saying the opposite for months has now showing signs he may want to run. >> a lot of people in the republican establishment are sort of knocking mitt over the past 24 hours, but you are just saying some things off air that i agree with. mitt has some actually stronger traits in 2015 than he had in -- >> he's running a modern campaign. he's got sharpened candidate skills that deal with the 21st century media and day-to-day campaigns. he's gotten better over the years. you watch him from the early debates, became a great debater. >> he was the first republican i think, that won a debate with a knockout since ronald reagan in 1980. first republican that you walk away from the debate going, wow.
>> he's got the fire and the belly. >> you want this guy to be president. >> mark, you recently wrote about the tipping of -- tipping point of big spending in politics. so let's talk about that. what do you mean because i thought we -- don't we -- haven't we hit it many times at this point? >> yes, but in many ways worse because of recent laws in the oversight of political spending. ken vogel did great reporting recently looking at what's happening. we still don't know anything because there's so much dark money spent that's not disclosed so we don't know. here's an amazing fact. of the approximately $5 million that was spent in the last cycle on campaigns, 100 people spent more than the rest of the almost 5 million people. think about that. >> wow. >> 100 people. so when you think about where do candidates spend their time if 100 people are spending as much as the other 5 million? it's no wonder. i was so depressed when i saw mitt romney and others in the
republican party going to casino olders aidleson rather than being out with factory workers. they control more money. it's not just a republican thing. tom steyer of the 100, 52 were democrats. tom steyer spent $76 million. we're starting a conservative organization called take back our republic which is focused on conservative solutions. the first person to really preach on this issue was barry goldwater. the roots of our movement. >> let's go to mark halperin. he is fresh off of a walk on the beaches of san diego in his wing tips. mark? >> mark, let me take the counter argument and just ask you. so what? these are rich people who care about america and want to participate in the democracy. why does it matter if rich people who really in some cases don't need anything from government, what does it matter if they're contribute some of their money to increase
political dialogue? >> i don't fault them at all, mark. i think if you have money and you have issues you feel strongly about, you should make your voice known. what we believe we think we need to do is create a system where through small donor donations, through tax credit tax voucher, democracy vouchers that small dollar donors have as much say in the process so the candidates spend their time talking to small dollar donors as much as the sheldon aiddlesons of the world. >> didn't president obama do that? >> he did but it's changed a lot since then. what you see happening is rollbacks to the dodd frank banking bill get to the top of the line in the last cycle $100 million was spent from the banking industry on 700 lobbyists. so our point of view is simply i let's figure out small dollar donation schemes and there are plenty of them and many of them are republican market solutions, so that these candidates spend
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you interviewed in lebanon. >> thanks, mika. the emergence of isis has taken syria and iraq by storm and the west by surprise. how isis became so powerful so quickly is a question many are struggling with. but what makes isis such a potent threat is easier to answer and has been a long time in the making. in october 2013 i traveled to tripoli, lebanon's second largest city four-hour drive north of the capital beirut. for decades this lawless city has been a hotbed for sectarian violence. with gunfire being a daily occurrence. one of tripoli's notorious residents is omar bakri, a well-known radical cleric who fled from the uk in 2005. he is despised by many in the west and infamous for describing the 9/11 bombers as the magnificent 19 and the london's 77 bombers as the fantastic four. >> osama bin laden, may god accept him as a martyr. he declared al qaeda, then al
qaeda decided like all the other islamic groups al qaeda's an islamic groups. but the islamic groups decided to have the state of islam and the truth but they -- >> in iraq? >> in iraq. >> reporter: a number of jihadists entering syria from the region and beyond is increasing at an alarming rate. >> reporter: the complete void of security in syria is troubling on many fronts. recent reports from fighting in the syrian border town of kobani suggests that isis militant may
have access to chemical weapons. >> reporter: according to bakri isis has recruited some 700 suicide bombers from all over the world, which are then added to a so-called list thattis lamb mick state leadership pulls from. they could come from europe? >> these people came from belgium, italy, france some were from us a staleaustraliaia. came even from afghanistan. >> omar bakri was or reed last may and faces charges of including encouraging terror acts preparing to create islamic and inciting hatred against the lebanese army. if convicted, could face the death penalty. >> what about the u.s. bombing runs? what impact is it having?
why is it not slowing isis downey more than it is? >> that's kind of the big question. it's kind of like putting a band-aid on a huge gaping wound without addressing what the root cause to the problem and that is sad. when i went there over a year ago the main protagonists if you like were the opposition, the free islamic army and the front and syrian regime and hezbollah, loggerheads. isis wasn't really prominent. only became prominent last year. speaking to omar bakri, speaking to him, they had been planning this for a long time. these officers that have been disbursed all over europe to recruit suicide bomber or self-sacrificing matters as they call them, they've been in position for a couple of years. so they had been brewing this and this is something that obama admitted, the head of
intelligence completely underestimated. >> you and i were just discussing this piece on the front page of the "wall street journal." militants in syria advance despite air strikes. three months of u.s. strikes inside syria and yet isis has gained ground. doing better in iraq although the leader of the iraqi parliament told us yesterday general john allen needs to do more. why syria, why is it so difficult, why do bombs in the air not have any impact on ice snis. >> two big points. one is in the iraq the united states has clear large number of folks on the ground to work with both among the kurds who are well trained and the iraqi government. in syria that's not remotely the case. as a consequence you're also not getting the level of international support. the u.s. is doing less bombing in syria than iraq. it's not enormous amount of air strikes but virtually nothing else happening from america's coalition alallies. in iraq it's significant. you've got it from the ground and on the air. and counter intelligence the u.s. has a lot of information in
iraq on the ground we do have those boots. in syria, one thing i expect is going to start happening is the europeans are going to start coordinating or trying to coordinate at least a little bit with syria's assad to start getting some intel on the ground. assad will want to use that to do sanctions. that won't work but none the less right now it's frozen out from the united states and europe. as much as we hate assad, given what's happening on the ground there, it's not clear how long that is sustainable. >> muk i can, howikey, how did you get the interview? how dangerous was it? >> it's not as dangerous as it is now. i went for provocative, this new news digital agency a little bit like vice but for millennials. i went and spent 30 days in lebanon. i went up to the north to meet omar bakri. i went to the mountainous region just over the border. it's the big refugee hub which is breaking at the seams with
refugees. i met with free syrian army, the moderates, are actually working with nasra the affiliate with the al qaeda leader to fight against assad. to your point, the problem is we don't seem addressing is assad. there's a summit in russia coming up but the syrian opposition have said they're not interested in participating because of assad again. >> right. >> so we can keep talking about military air strikes, we can keep talking about the peshmerga. >> you think assad is just the -- >> he's the -- he is the common problem. it doesn't matter whether it was a year ago or whether it's now when you've got the syrian ypg and person murg ga peshmerga and isis fighting. until that is addressed -- >> the mosque is broken down as a consequence. >> mikey kay, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up a live report on that foiled bomb -- foiled plot to bomb the u.s. capitol.
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you can't beat fdr. >> idle hands are -- what? >> exactly. >> i saw -- i have been sick for the last two weeks. >> oh, my god. >> i actually -- and i never fun of a tv. it's one of the great ironies except when i'm on. i saw ken burns documentary on "the rest voltoosevelts" again. it is second time. it is remarkable what those two men did. >> nothing like them. i mean when you look at fra franklin -- talk about executive orders with barack obama, the numbers are so small. fdr did over 3,000 executive orders. i mean one after another. it was a different america. i mean, i've been writing about a woman who suddenly wants to save a million acres of the california desert and february ag gets a meeting with fdr. okay, i'll do it. warning the train companies own some of that and mining claims. oh goes, oh, lawyers can fix
that. that's grandiosity of fdr and americanism. they represent the country. >> let's bring it to today where america's views on the economy are improving. and it appears president obama is getting a little bit of the credit here. according to a new pew poll 27% of americans say the economy is excellent or good. that's up 11 points from a year ago. and twice as many as last year are optimistic about its outlook. for the first time in five years americans say the president's policies have made the economy stronger rather than weaker. but a stark reality remains for many americans. more than half say they're falling behind in the cost of living. and as the president's state of the union approaches pew mapped the approval ratings compared the other presidents. he's nearly on par with reagan at this point and below clinton but above george w. bush. interesting. >> we've been following obviously daily the president's approval ratings over the past six, seven years.
and certainly america's attitudes. things do seem to be -- we have noticed an upswing, haven't we over the past three or four months. >> yeah. we commented, i think it was that his floor was at 40%, which was pretty good considering how bad things felt like they were going for a while. now when you see economic progress it comes up. doug, it does raise the question, we feel better the unemployment number is better. but it's also been a lot of people dropped out of the workforce. wages have stagnated. presidents probably always get more credit than they deserve, more blame than they deserve for things that happen beyond their control. what about president obama? if we get, let's say, two years from now and he's out of the presidency, if things stay the way they are right now how will he begin to be viewed based on this economy? >> i think if they stay the way they are right now he will be seen as a very good president, not a great one. and i say that because the great recession had crashed the country out. if he could say unemployment stays at 5.5% and wall street is at an all-time high. even though the middle class is
still sure ingffering, even though historians will say he didn't do this right or that right, incredible argument he got it out of the ditch and got us up and running again. the problem with that is who knows what it's going to look like two years from now. conversely if this economy does badly obama's presidency will not get high marks. it's very hinged on the economic record, on the day he leaves office, those numbers will freeze and that's when he's going to live with. >> i understand that economics is what's driving perceptions of president obama on a day-to-day basis right now. if you think out in 5, 10 20 years time nnd obama's legacy do you think it's just as much a question of how the economy looks when he leaves or is there going to be much more of america's role in the world where i think a lot of people are asking more questions about almost annes exostential issue?
>> in most inaugurals he added a huge paragraph about the climate. you're looking at the keystone debate going on right now. he's very worried about climate being an issue 50 years from now. if he can't solve it he wants to be seen as we indicating the public for a new kind of energy grid. a group of historians meet with the president once in a while and one of his frustrations early on is if we needed a moon shot today he thought it would be a new energy grid. we don't have that new energy grid right now. and on foreign affairs, it's going to be a mixed record. the red line in the sand in syria was disastrous. the drone strikes where are not sure. he's going to be seen as drone president. but the middle east is always a. tinder box. there's always going to be dislocation and problems going on. it's going to be hard, i think, to blame him for everything going on in the middle east like some of the republicans want to do today. i don't know who can handle the situation going on in syria, for example. >> but he does have though he
is going to have foreign policy issues. we look back at presidents. you talk about how their legacies are locked in. you look at presidents who have left you know ronald reagan will be remembered for a couple of things but foreign policy in equal doses with domestic policy. jimmy carter of course was framed by foreign policy. challenged with the rise of iran. but barack obama, i think the verdict is still out. is he going to be seen as an economic president or is he going to be seen as somebody that misraidead putin and russia misread a misread. >> soldiers in iraq and afghanistan. >> all of that. especially with iraq though. especially with iraq.
and when you have -- and i'm certainly not striking a case against him. i'm saying this is going to be a fascinating debate. when you have in 2012 two or three things that his republican opponents specifically said he got wrong and then a year or two later on russia on isis in getting out of iraq he's proven to be wrong. >> it just takes something looic putin, it's unclear or the sanctions working? maybe they are. nobody seems to want to invest in russia right now. what may have seen to be weakness at the start in history might be seen as a bit of strength that the russian economy collapsed. the deal the president got with cuba was basically cuba saying, we don't want to deal with russia anymore. they're not going to be able to fund us anymore. nobody wants to put money into that country right now so the president may have had a measured response to putin. >> we may. we shall see. now to france where police may be on the verge of a big break in their investigation into the paris terror attacks.
police confirm that amedi coubali rented a small home and filled it with weapons the week before his siege at a kosher supermarket. french newspaper reports a scooter was found that could identify a possible accomplice. there's also new security camera footage from inside the grocery store. the gunman can be seen ordering a hostage to put his hands against a wall. and in another image, a worker is forced to stand on a stool to disable a camera. meanwhile, since last week's attack france has arrested more than 50 people after prosecutors ordered a crack down on hate speech antisemitism and individual supporting terrorism. here with us now from washington israeli ambassador to the united states ambassador ron dermer. >> mr. ambassador thank you for being with us. the president of france is taking some steps, pushing back against antisemitism that is really really infected that country for some time. is he doing enough?
>> well, he's trying but you're right, there's been a rising tide of antisemitism in france for some time. three years ago 1900 jews in france moved to israel. two years ago, 3500 jews moved. last year 7,000 jews. this year we're expecting 15,000 jews, french jews to move to israel. >> mr. ambassador, it's obviously we noticed what happened this past week across the globe, took great notice of the attacks against the cartoonists. not as much against the four jews who were slaughtered in a kosher supermarket. but there have been violent attacks against jews and murders against jews in france before that really hasn't gained the attention, has it? >> that's correct. two years ago you had an attack on a school in france where terrorists on a motorcycle came in and killed an adult and three children. he took an 8-year-old by the hair and shot her at point blank range. you didn't see a mass rally
against that. there were a lot of statements made at the time of everything that would be done to protect the jews of france. but unfortunately it didn't happen. we appreciate the comments made by the president of france prime minister of france. there have been european leaders taking a strong stand against antisechl tim like chancellor america until germ in. but europe is a place with a lot of old traditions and antisemitism is probably the oldest one. >> we were talking about that earlier. it's, again, there always seems to be an excuse in europe to be antisemitic. right now it's the palestinian conflict, which you can go back 500, 600 years, 700 years and there is always an excuse. >> immigration in europe in general has always been much more about cultural issues it has been political ideology. in france you can be a communist but you can still be french. in united states you that would be anti-american. it's a lot harder in a lot of
the countries in europe and i think that's a problem for the jews. ambassador, i wanted to ask you on this. there's been a lot of interesting stories around netanyahu's attendance in france, the fact that president hollande actually sort of was basically said you know it would be -- it's not a convenient time for you to come right now and then netanyahu himself actually talking about that jews are welcome in israel if not in france. it feels a little raw. i mean do you feel like the tension just got too high around this and it's time to back off of it or would these appropriate mess samgs from both the french and israelis at this point? >> look i think the prime minister of israel did exactly what a prime minister of israel has to do. first, we have to stand with france when they're fighting against terrorism. those reports about hollande not wanting him there, that's not true. sort of internalish recally store israeli story. we asked the world to stand with
israel in our battle against terrorism. we think we're fighting that same battle in our -- in israel at home against militant islam that france is fighting in europe. so it's important for the prime minister of israel to stand with france in its hour of need. another thing the prime minister of israel always believes in and always says all prime minister of israel since the founding of the state, is that every jew in the world should know they always have a home in israel. jews should be protected wherever they are, whether it's in france or whether it's in the united states, but jews around the world should know that they can always come to israel. in israel the jewish people do not ask others to defend them. this israel the jewish people defend themselves. >> stay with us. nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely joins us live from paris. bill i understand secretary john kerry arrives there tob ss there tonight. what's on his agenda? >> yes, he arrives tonight and will meet the french foreign
minister. of course john kerry speaks french but there's no word on whether he will utter the sorry, for the fact that no high rachking from the u.s. came to paris. the world leaders admitted that was a mistake. tomorrow he meets the french president francois hollande. mr. hollande's poll ratings skyrocketed. last month he was the most unpop unpopular president in recent history. he left eight points to 29% in the polls. he's still not that popular. but generally people feel he's done a pretty good job in handling this crisis. but there's an atmosphere here someone described its a utterly surreal. people still cueing to buy a magazine that hardly anyone bought in the past. "charlie hebdo" used to tell 50,000 copy on a good week now 5 million copies printed.
there's a debate about free speech and yet french authorities have not only arrested but charged a french comedian, a very well-known one for putting on his facebook page that he feels like that is defending and advocating terrorism. many people disagreeing with that arrest. you know everywhere you go in paris there is this music, as my producer described it the sound of sirens that are keeping people on edge here. on the investigation, not many leads today. people still dealing with the aftermath of this. and four funerals today for those who were killed in these attacks. >> bill what have you personally heard? what can you report back to us on the reaction to the french to the united states, first of all not being there, and then
apologizing? has it -- is it considered a slight that they're going to remember or do -- is it much ado about nothing? >> well, you know amid the national trauma here it was remarked that neither president obama nor vice president biden have come. but really they have too much else on their minds. i don't think, you know, it will be a great part of the conversation here. you know i think maybe it's in foreign policy circles and in washington, it's more of a conversation. i've heard again that, you know is this the u.s. leading from behind again? you know the u.s. ambassador was in that crowd but so far into the crowd that you could hardly see her. so in a way, i think it's probably more of an issue in washington than it is here in paris. >> all right. bill thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. and, mr. ambassador any final thoughts?
>> look, i think it's important to understand, joe, that what you saw happen in the few decades after the holocaust was the exception and not the rule. the rule in european history has been antisemitism and there was a brief period in the wake of the holocaust where it was politically incorrect to be antisemitic. that has changed over the last couple of decades. and in old hatred towards the jewish people has turned into a hatred for the jewish state. i hope the leaders will stand firmly in beating back the antisemitism and treat israel as they would treat any other country in the world. i think we would all be in a better place then. >> thank you. >> talked about the roosevelt documentary, it is striking how there was an understanding in 1945 that there had to be a jewish state created to make sure a holocaust never happened again and talking with the roosevelts, you know one of the fiercist champions of an israeli state was the jewish state was
eleanor roosevelt. this was not an ideologicalish shaw in 1945. this was a necessity so jews being persecuted killed slaughtered in europe and across the world, would have a place to go to be safe. that has been forgotten. there are new concerns this morning about homegrown terrorism after authorities say they thwarted a terror plo t. an ohio man is facing charges for allegedly planning a military style attack on the u.s. capitol. joining us now from washington with that nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, how close was this suspect to carrying out the plot? >> well, investigators say this young man was 20 years old. he wanted to carry out his attack as a way of supporting the isis group. and they say he talked about his plans to somebody he thought was like-minded but who turned out to be working for the fbi. the plan federal prosecutors say was to set off pipe bombs at the u.s. capitol, then shoot people as they fled.
fbi investigators say christopher lee cornell, age 20 from suburban cincinnati first came to their attention last august when he began posting message on twitter calling himself raheel and expressing support for the isis terror group. he soon met someone in the cincinnati area he thought was sympathetic but who was actually an undercover operative for the fbi. on wednesday officials say cornell took a further step in his plot going to the shooting range and buying two assault type rifles like this along with 600 rounds of ammunition as the fbi and the manager watched closely. >> as soon as as the purchase was over and he left the door several agents came out and tackled him here in the parking lot and took him down. >> reporter: according to court documents cornell said he drew inspiration from former al qaeda figure al awlaki and videos from isis and the brothers over there, isis quote, gave a thumbs up for acts of violent jihad. >> new battleground in the terrorist war against us and
that's the social media being used to communicate with people who are willing to carry out desperate acts to kill americans. >> reporter: family members say they believe the fbi pushed him to do something he would not have done on his own. >> i think a lot of it was coercion. i think he got coerced. no way he had the money to carry out any kind of terrorist attack. >> there's been no comment from his public defender. federal officials say there was never any danger to the public because he was under close watch for months and to directly answer your question mika they said he had not even gotten to the point of buying components or building his bombs. >> okay. nbc's pete williams. thank you very much. thank you as well. >> thank you, douglas. >> thanks. >> we learned something about you. >> yes. thank you forfeiting us into your busy schedule. >> america should know doug brinkley in the 1970s followed z.z. top around. >> a huge zz top fan. >> and the marshall tucker band and charlie daniels. >> and you had the long hair.
>> and the beard. >> outlaw country. >> went around playing guitar? >> yes. coming up on "morning joe," a man to believe to be in a vegetative state for years was forced to watch hour after hour of "barney." do you know "barney"? >> oh, my gosh. >> one of his reflections after waking up, quote, i can't even express to you how much i hate "barney "barney." i don't think he was in that vegetative a state. >> that story and more, and the morning paper.
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morning papers from the huffington post, there is a heartbreaking illustration of loss in pakistan where gunmen late last year killed nearly 150 people, most of them children during an attack on a school in peshawar. a student posted this before and after picture to social media. showing how his group of friends had been cut in half. two students missing from the top photo, among those killed in the taliban assault. afghan officials say they recently captured five suspects after getting intelligence from the pakistan government. >> heartbreaker. "the washington post," president obama will announce a proposeal for seven days of paid sick leave each year for u.s.
workers. in an executive action the president will also grant six weeks of paid leave to federal employees following a birth or adoption adoption. valley jarrett writes on linked linkedin, quote, president obama will call on congress to pass the healthy families act which would allow millions of working americans to earn up to seven days a year of paid sick time and call on states and cities to pass similar laws. we know that today 43 million private sector workers in the u.s. are without any form of paid sick leave. only three states california new jersey and rhode island suffer paid family and medical leave. the truth is success and productivity of our workers are tied to their ability to care for their families and maintain a stable life at home. >> that's a long statement. we think valerie for being able to say all of that without taking a breath. >> i was talking about it yesterday. >> hold on. >> so. seven days paid sick leave? >> seven days. >> if we got that here you and i would be able to take off nine
days, eight, nine days a year? >> yes. >> exactly right. >> it's really beneficial to women who work because often when people are sick it's the women who take care of their parents or their kids or their husbands when they're sick. and men benefit, too, and families as well. this is one of the ideas that came out of the working fallies summit that we did last spring. and i think it's one of the ways we're going to really move forward as more and more women are stepping up and working. >> got to keep working on maternity leave, too. >> come on. >> the number of days and weeks. the few we have here compared to the rest of the world is insane. >> unpaid. uk south african man spent a decade trapped inside his own body without anyone knowing. >> okay. >> martin pistorius contracted a rare illness at the age of 12 that left him in a vegetative state. he was in a virtual coma with no mental capacity at all but pistorius was actually aware of everything. in his book he spent a period
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welcome back to "morning joe." here with us now from washington, britain's shadow chancellor of the x checker and president and ceo of the center for american progress. both of you, good to have you back. ed is the cochair of the commission on inclusive
prosperity which is out with a new report on ways to revive the middle class and reduce income inequality. doran, ian, michael steele all with us as well. ed, let's start there. you're holding it up. tell us about it. >> good to see you, mika. happy new year to everybody. good to be back on the show. it's i think a very important report which will have an impact here in the states but also in britain and australia and in europe because what it says is that even in countries like america and britain where after the financial crisis we're starting to see our economies growing again. that's not translating into rising living standards for most people in our country. >> so -- this is joe. what is the fix? this really is one of the great challenges of america, one of the great challenges of britain and the west. what are some soft thingof the things we can do to lessen the income disparity between the richest and poorest?
>> we say here a number of things which we can do which is common across our countries. how retranslate that in policy is different in different countries. make sure we have more good jobs, make work pay by raising the minimum wages and have tax credit which makes work pay, mike child care more affordable. more skills but the kind of skills that employers want to hire and we want to more apprenticeship for our young people, more signs of innovation to get ideas, long-term investment in our infrastructure making the private sector and companies work in a more long-term way. and also internationally we've got to corporate to make sure the global tax system is fair global economy growing. stop financial crisis in the future but also to make sure that we keep the international economy open and that we don't turn our face against globalization and trade but we make it work in a way which doesn't only reward some people but makes it work for working people. unless we do that joe, i think you're right, what we're going to see is a growth in reaction
against trades, against mainstream politics. we see in europe populous parties rising. that's dangerous. this is a big agenda for all of our countries. >> dorian? >> good morning. this is dorian warren here. >> hi, dorian. >> i'm wondering what you think and can you talk about the efforts to raise wages? given unemployment is now it keeps dropping which is a great thing for our economy. what specifically in the report do you think would help increase wages for american workers? >> so we look particularly at the u.s. as well. and you see just in the last jobs report you see that we have lower unemployment but still this drag on wages. wages actually went down the month before which really proves the point that ways in the united states are not keeping up with higher costs. so we have a multi-prime strategy in the report laid out for the u.s. obviously we need to increase minimum wage but we need to do more than that.
we need to actually look at ways that companies can share profits with workers, encouraging through tax policies, profit sharing because that's the challenge. companies are profitable but workers' wages are still stagnant. that's the conundrum we have in the u.s. we have to make sure that they are thinking long term and encourage them to do so. more business investment which is also investment in their workers. so it's -- one final thing is we are really well behind everyone else in the developed world, benefits we offer for workers, including paid leave and other things. the president was talking about last night. but also in ensuring that we have a fair tax system. so those are all issues. you know it not one silver bullet to address wages but what's a really important part of the report is that it can be done. it can be done. there are things we can do. >> michael steele is with us from washington. he has question. michael? >> does the report go into the
fact that you've got -- when you're talking about increasing wages for workers, which is important, and striking this balance with businesses globally, have you considered the trillions of dollars that are sitting on the shelves that are offshore, for example? what steps can be taken to encourage those businesses to re those funds so those dollars that are sitting on the shelf, in the banks that are not being put to good use can be put to good use? >> so just -- ed can jump in as well. but one quick point on that. one of the reasons why we talk about how we need to harmonize our tax systems is that one of the challenges is companies kind of leap frog country to country looking for the best tax deal for them. that doesn't serve any of us. that's a race to the bottom. so we actually have a better global system on taxes, where we're not raising taxes across the board but we're really just having a better system for our
companies. >> i think the report says no one country can do this on its own. you've got to get america and britain and other developed countries saying we're going to make the global tax system work so that if profits are being made in couldn't country, that's where the tax rest paid. and you don't have companies you can avoid paying tax anywhere because part of the resentiment from people is saying i'm working, i'm paying my taxes. my wages are not going up. and other companies, some individuals are getting away from paying any tax. there's a proud question as well. we've got to make sure that our companies are using those resources they've got to invest for the long term. and in our country, look we've got growth coming back and our prime minister says we've got growth but our business investment is being very weak. wages are stagnating for people. and other thing is look unless we can say to you and to america, britain will stay in the european union we're going to stay part of the global economy, that i'm afraid there will be very many businesses who
say, may maybe britain is not the place to invest and create jobs. >> thank you ed. always great to see you. ed, it's been a rough year. mers i can mercy said, it's been tough for liverpool. how is norwich doing? >> we are challenging to get back into the premiership. we got relegated. we're just sat with our manager a week ago. that might be our big turn around moment. this britain, everybody is very sad that steven girard one of your heroes is leaving liverpool but he's coming to los angeles to play for the galaxy. you will be able to see the stars here in u.s. football -- soccer, i should say. >> i suspect it will be much warmer than it was when i went to your hometown. >> oh, my god. >> in norwich in april and froze to death. >> with no coat by the way. >> your pronunciation, joe, has gotten a lot better as well. >> yeah.
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we got the managing editor of "time" magazine with us with the first look at the latest issue. the cover story "after paris, lessons from the attack." what are the lessons? >> well that scene that was very moving in paris and all the leaders together may have been poignant but i don't think it was pro thetic. the force pulling europe are stronger than the ones holding it together. >> we were just talking about the fact that the forces that were nationalist sentiment moving out of the eu the desire to do that and to stop massive
immigration, that was happening well before paris. >> it was. and now you get the vicious cycle where violence breeds fear, fear breeds prejudice, prejudice breeds resentment within the muslim minority that resentment can turn into another cycle of violence. i think the strategy of driving a wedge between a growing muslim population in europe and this also growing populous nationalist anti-immigration policies, you have 60% of non-muslim germans saying they think islam is incompatible with the western lifestyle, western front in france than any other french party. this is -- these forces i think, are the critical context for what we are seeing in this rising violence. >> ian, these forces are always framed in a negative light. but if you were born in france in 1945, let's say, or '48, post-war, or across europe, you you have seen radical changes in your country.
is there any legitimate argument for people saying hey, let's slow down on immigration in our country, let's slow down on turning everything over -- i only say this because i have yet to hear one person on american television or european television mainstream, say these people may have a point. >> there's a reason why 60% of europeans are ticked off with what's going on or whatever the number is in germany or france. >> the immigration debate in the united states has always been framed around jobs. it was the giant sucking sound. if we feel like our economy is going down that's when we have a problem with immigrants. when you go to europe you will talk to mainstream europeans, i've had these conversations across the continue nent. they will say we will accept a lower standard of living if our country can feel more french or dan anybody or swedish. >> because the very nature of america, obviously, is a melting pot, dorian, where immigrants, we're all immigrants. but that's not the case in britain or france or spain, that's not the case with these
countries who, again, feel like they're losing their identity. >> i think ian gets to something important and that's the stronghold of a particular cultural identity national identity. we do have a strong national identity in the u.s. but the role of culture mixed with economics is much more toxic in europe than in the u.s. >> pop lymphulism was taking hold. people were so concerned that upcoming greek elections that you're going to have sures win. in spain the most popular party right now is one that didn't exist a year ago. >> the eu parliamentary elections six months ago overwhelming wins. >> big wins for everybody. not many people vote in those but, none the less the trend line was clear. this goes on top of it. the notion that not only are we going to have the economic problems but now we're going couple that with this anti-immigrant sentiment. it drives germany further apart. >> our guest next tuesday, mike
huckabee, never stop running for president. >> everyone in the pool right now. we've been talking a lot in recent weeks about the fight for the establishment wing of the party with romney and jeb bush. huckabee is fighting for the social conservative wing. you will have rick santorum he has to deal with and bobby jindal. he never stopped running. he's been traveling to iowa and he has a book coming out. and so it's going to be fascinating to see how you have these respective mini civil wars before the big civil war for the republican nomination. >> little known fact. mike huckabee resident of my old district redneck riviera. >> i look forward to having him on. >> you have a young kid who just started up at "time" magazine. up and comer. >> this guy -- >> ian bremer self promoter. >> it's unbelievable. >> look at my story. but he talks about how cheap oil can boost the standing of china's leader. >> the idea of $40 a barrel oil
is incredible and has implications everywhere. what was so interesting to me is ian's point about what this means for china. but every single country and every single geopolitical issue is somehow tied to what is going to happen with oil prices and energy. >> nancy gibbs. >> thank you. >> she's packed. >> great issue. >> new issue of "time" magazine out now. up next it's not bad when your very first professional role is the lead role in a major broadway play. the costars of "the curious incident of the dog and the nighttime." >> i've heard this play is fantastic. >> gives us a backstage pass to the show. we'll be right back. >> great reviews. next. ♪♪ expected wait time: 55 minutes.
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dazzling. extraordinary, "time" magazine. alex, this has to be rewarding to you. >> this will turn around. >> you have been working so hard for so many decades. you prepare for the life of a struggling young actor and, boom get the lucky break very early. >> yes, i'm very lucky. >> pretty talented. it's pretty great, though? >> truly awesome. i'm having the time of my life. it's like one of those rare opportunities. when you get a part as an actor, it's a dream you get a part you can put everything into and it's one of those parts. i'm just enjoying that. >> francesca, it's a remarkable story about a gifted young, talented boy who's accused of killing a dog, and then he sets out to find out who really did. >> really did. >> and what he discovers is life-changing. tell us about that part of the story? >> the book if anyone knows, came out to great success by
mark canton and about 15 or so years ago, and yes. it's a mystery story, really. at its core. but it unfolds and opens up a great deeper intense mystery for the young boy who's in the middle, and i play his teacher and the narrator of sorts and does a whole sort of -- his support system through the story. and they have a great relationship of trust and -- and she was really made a character much more in the play than in the book. >> so when our buddy jordan roth was here he came and of course speaks in broadway speak. we just call it "the curious incident." he shortened it down. because he's in the know but alex, for you, and this is a great way for kids out there that do have special needs to see somebody as the main character, who's highlighted in a fantastic way. are you hearing from kids that
have come to see you, or from parents that see you -- >> and tell us about your character. >> because of the character you portray son the spectrum. >> yeah, yeah. no. i hear from a lot of people and i think it's -- i mean it's a story that is a celebration of difference. it's just -- it's very positive in nature and it's you know, the hero is an unusual one. >> exactly. >> so i think a lot of people are drawn to it for that reason and i hear from people and families you know in the autistic community and all kinds of families really. it's very -- it means a lot to me. it's also that you can sort of be a part of like giving them a representation that's -- that feels good for them. >> broadway's such a tough landscape. it's tough for actors everywhere. were you all surprised at the unbelievable reviews you've gotten? francesca? >> yeah. >> were you bracing yourself? >> of course you do every time and even if you love something you never know how it's going to be received and even if
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welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 on the east coast, and 5:00 a.m. on the west coast which means mark halperin needs to wake up now. >> he's wide awake. look at him. he's as tan, really as nixon when -- you know he was in san clemente. >> so -- >> nice to see him on the beach today, like to in his wing tips walking up and down the beach saying hi to the kids. >> and nothing else. also with us ian premmer, dorian warren and michael steele. >> what's the matter with ohio? i'm going to write a book called "what's the matter with ohio?" >> what do you mean?
>> so they win the -- whom the gods wom destroy they first make mad. the second thing they do they give them a national championship. willie win a national championship, burn down the campus, and you're thinking -- okay that's not bad. i mean it happens. right? we, of course, don't do that in alabama. kind of get bored by winning national championships. >> i'm big ten here. >> but then, willie -- >> i can't wait to see where this is going, how this ends. >> but then they get a bartender who wants to poison speaker of the house. the orange the -- >> oh, that is -- >> america's first orange speaker, and they hate him, just because of the speaker of his skin, but they're going to kill him for that. right? >> what? >> then another ohio dude decides he's going to blow up the capitol. >> okay. hold on. i think they're one in the same. whatever. >> is it the same dude? >> no it's not. >> no it's not. it's a different dude. i'm telling you, these buckeyes -- this is a serious
point. >> i know. >> you can draw a straight line to urban meyer going to ohio state and all of these -- like, terror plots. >> did you take your medicine? >> am i the only one surprised at everything -- >> i'm not seeing the connection. >> hold on a second. dan, alice, am i defaming an entire state or is this not happening? >> oh, it's happening. >> it's a coincidence, they say. okay. it's a coincidence. >> can we talk about flyover states? can we do that? >> only if i go there, and then it's the center of the world. and then i come back to the coast, and we just talk about the coast. barack obama, man. >> yes yes, yes. >> those poll numbers. >> i know. >> oop! they're going high. getting up there. >> not surprised, but that's good. >> you know what they say? >> what? >> whom the gods will destroy, they give a majority in congress. it's always a surprise how presidents do so much better when the opposing party controls congress. >> yeah. the dynamic shifts.
>> always happens, and americans start looking at that president, who they didn't really like when he had a monopoly and they go wait a second. we need him there to balance out the republicans, or vice versa. it always happens that way. >> we'll get to that as well as other political news in just a moment, but first on a serious note, there are -- >> oh that was very serious. >> oh, yes, it was. there are new concerns about homegrown terrorism after authorities say they thwart add terror plot against one of the country's most iconic buildings. an ohio man. >> ding, ding ding, ding. >> there you go. facing charged for plotting a military-style attack on the capitol. inspired by islamic state militants in anwar al awlaki. this is the nan custody. court documents state he wanted to plant pipe bombs around the capitol and then shoot officials who tried running away.
investigators say he came to their attention last august when he used an alias to post pro-isis documents on twitter, court documents say he discussed his plans with a man he thought was sympathetic, actually working undercover for the phish fib. fbi. he was arrested after he bought more than 600 rounds of ammunition at gun range, but the fbi says the public was never in danger. cornell's father says his son did recently convert to islam but can't believe what he's being accused of. >> people that really know chris chris they know he's a good guy. i don't -- like i said you know, i was completely blindsided by this. this -- this came as a complete surprise. you know? chris is -- i mean he never leaves the house. he's a mommy's boy. he never showed any signs of any kind of violence or anything. i mean -- quiet, shy.
good kid. >> if you're bad, so bad for a dad, but willie if he hasn't left the house in 20-something years, that's a warning sign. >> he's not that good a kid. i understand dad's not feeling good about what happened. hardly a model terrorist, reinforcing what the father said. as the guy said, you can't leave the guy untouched, talking about, informants blowing up the capitol and looks like great work undercover. the guy from the fbi. used intelligence and took him down at a gun shop yesterday. and to france. a big break into the investigation of the paris terror attacks. police confirm a home was filled with weapons a beak before the siege. a scooter found that could identify an accomplice and new security footage from a camera inside the grocery store.
the gunman can be seen ordering a hostage to put his hands against the wall and in another image, a worker forced to stand on a stool to disable a camera. since last week's attack france arrested more than 50 people after prosecutors ordered a krk crackdown on hate speech and comes as the first issue since "charlie hebdo" sold out across france. the company so sought-after the company is going for, some for $1,000 on ebay. french president francois hollande says the magazine has been reborn and, "you can murder men and women, but you can never kill their ideas." >> ian, obviously, france is having to focus mainly on anti-semitism right now. that seems to be where they're focused. this is such a big problem in france and across europe. isn't it? >> it's going to become much larger. the fact is that the economic
environment continues to be incredibly poor in these countries for large swaths of the population. there's a very great division great divisions within these societies. treatment of -- you look at surveys. one came out recently from britain in the last couple of days. some 45% of respondents promoted anti-semitism in some direct way, over 50% of jews that responded felt like they did not feel like they had a clear future in britain. >> and, ian, you're the european expert. it is absolutely fascinating to me and horrifying to me how anti-semitism has played such a large role in the history of europe over the past 1,000 years, and there's always a reason. and always an excuse given to hate jews in europe and, of course now it's a palestinian conflict, but you could go back you know -- you could go back to the days of martin luther. i mean the people that we revere martin luther was a raging anti-semite. you could look at even the mag
in a cartmagna carta. you don't have to treat jews equally. this strain of anti-semitism, of course reached its climax when 6 million jews were murdered in europe while a lot of european countries just stood there and watched. and i just wonder how this continent has -- has, after hitler and after the holocaust, how 50 60 years later, they have collective amnesia. >> that's interesting and one of the reasons, of course you see backlash in many european countries against the notions of the kind of expansive free speech that we support in the united states. it's not because they don't care about individual liberties, but because precisely, they're concerned about reopening these boxes that can lead to hate speech and hate crimes against any minorities. this has been the year where
pacetti has been really the man for europe much less so the united states. not so much as he has in europe and in france. the fact the european economy is not rebounding that you don't see the productivity, energy prices are higher. people aren't benefiting, and if you're in these countries, you feel that europe hasn't worked for you, you're going back to your lowest common denominator, about these individual nations. that's the problem. >> can you explain, everybody watching quickly. it's very telling. talking about a couple years when the french and the germans, and lecturing barack obama and his administration on economics. could you explain the difference between america's economy, and don't worry, praubarticular uben not giving barack obama the credit, i'm giving americans the credit. rebound and be strong. can you explain the american economy and the state it is and the state of europe's economy? i mean as far as attitudes goes
and vitality and -- >> ate of factors here. the united states first of all, is fortunate, because we are the largest producers of energy as a consequence the revolution, we are the world's largest producer of calories in terms of food. >> right. >> the demographics are great. >> yeah yeah yeah. just tell us why we're winning. >> those are reasons why we're winning. >> you're supposed to say manifest destiny and, we're just great. >> took lots of great territory. that's certainly true. but, you also have -- enormous support for entrepreneurship in the united states, much easier to start your own company, and there's no question that the general attitudes of americans, you've consistently had pew research and the rest 90% of americans polled believe they will end up in the top 10%, or their kids will, over the course of the next 20, 30 years, even though that's truly not true. that's not true in europe. >> that is the essence, mika of the american dream and that is the essence of this country's
economic greatness that i can grow up in a small house and believe that i can either live in a small house when i get older or work really hard and live in the biggest house on the hill and blah blah blah. whatever. you have that feeling. but you talked to people from france and you talk to business owners in france and they constantly talk about their frustration, that if they work hard and work around the clock, and are entrepreneurs, they're actually looked upon with suspicion. and even though upward mobility has really collapsed in this country. >> glad you said that, because i was -- >> there is still the belief here, and i believe we're going to fix that that there's never been dorian in great britain, that there's never been in france, this class structure that muslims feel trapped by. a lot of middle class and lower middle class frenchmen and brits
have felt that for centuries. >> for centuries. america was at one point especially the mid to late 20th century the democracy of equal opportunity. as we just mentioned a lot of those ladders of opportunity have closed in the last 20 30 years, but i was reading an article this morning about french immigrants and outer rings of paris, where unemployment rates are at 20% and for many french or immigrant youth, are at 40%. >> yeah. >> so there's a sense there is no economic opportunity at all. in many of those communities. and so that gives -- gets us to a conversation about what are the underlying causes that drive people towards radical ideology ideologies in certain places? >> can you drive through the suburbs and you really can -- you can see it immediately. just the difference. really quickly. one final thing on unemployment. 40%. i saw a stat last week that unemployment in america for people with bachelors degrees,
like 2%. isn't that remarkable? >> also, really quickly, we were going to get to these polls i don't think we'll have time. according to a new poll 27% of americans say the economic is excellent or good up 11 points from a year ago. attitudes are changing. the republican national committee announced dates for its 2016 convention. the event will be held in cleveland, in mid-july about six weeks earlier than the 2012 convention. party chairman rines priebus moved up the convention as part of a strategy -- >> in ohio? do they really want to go there. >> the nominee gave earlier access to the general election funds. priebus sought to strengthen the 2016 nominee by scaling back the number of debates as well. so mark halperin in san diego covering the republicans' winter meeting. what do we expect to hear from that? >> announcement later today the first day of the convention devoted to captures terrorists and murderers. >> exactly. >> never done before. the delegates are going to --
>> back to the buckeye state. i love that place, anyway go ahead. >> democrats fan all over ohio and bring them back. look governor romney will be here tomorrow night but you'll hear ben carson and scott walker speaking today. rick perry is also speaking tomorrow and all the buzz here is about the 2016 race. and a lot of surprise and question about what governor romney's doing and whether it's a little bit of a mirage and he might not even run, or if he does run, collapse before he gets a head of steam or has he transformed the race? a huge topic here. >> michael steele a remarkable call it ten days maybe two weeks and the party you once led as that chairman of the rnc with jeb bush effectively announcing he's getting into the race for all intents and purposes and mitt romney sort of being pressured, i guess, by the pace of jeb's announcement to the do the same. what do you make of the developments over the last two weeks? do you think mitt romney jeb bush actually do run and are
there standing on the stage at those late debates? >> i do. i think that mitt romney has done a re-assessment of the caliber and quality of the potential challengers, and said -- because you recall he said, you know, i'm not going to run unless, you know i see there's someone or no someone who can do this and i think he's looking at his position on a number of issues. whether it was on russia or the economy, as being correct, and he's kind of got this new mojo. i think he'll be there, in play same with jeb bush but i have to tell you, willie the exciting part for me is yet to come, and that is the republican governors. when the republican governors begin to throw down on this thing and get in this race that's when i really think dynamics change. you're talking about two former governors out for 8 and 12 years respectively. talking about governors who served through the recession. who had to deal with obamacare, who had to deal with the changes
in our economy and govern through that. so when they engage in this conversation, that's when it's going to be a real test of wills within the gop. this whole establishment versus tea party. i think that kind of goes away and it's really going to be about who can govern this country and who has? >> mark halperin go to the say, inside baseball, politics and media collide. but i fund itound it fascinating. you hear stories tabloids in the 1800s, pick a party, bash this candidate and bash that -- it's fascinating the little sort of back and forth between thewp "washington post," officially mitt romney's newspaper and the "new york times," trashes mitt romney for the benefit of jeb bush. every tay an anti-jeb story and pro-mitt story and followed by a pro jeb and anti-mitt in the "new york times." plaged out in the last couple of
weeks and fascinating. >> the editorial page breaks tight in votes against romney. the jeb and mitt people behind the scenes and the would-be candidates doing a ton of stuff, but very little in public. and we don't flare them often. jeb bush is in california as well but not doing public events and the press is consumed, as you suggested, not just those two big papers but a lot of the political media with the question, will we see a romney/bush face-off? what does that mean for christie and current governors michael steele referred to? this is not over-coverage, though. what's happening will determine the contours of the race even if there's two dozen candidates besides those two guys. still ahead on "morning joe." the nominations for this year academy awards are just moments away, and you'll see them live right here. we'll be right back. you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs,
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willie and i can tell you, it feels good. >> you did not. stop. >> we didn't want to because it's not about us. >> yep. >> we did it for the kids. >> the 3,000-foot granite base tommy caldwell and kevin jorgeson reached the summit. becoming the first people in history. >> second and third. >> to scale the wall of el capitan using only their hands and feet. to pull them up. >> oh. wow. we used at least an elevator. >> we had scaffolding and an elevator. so, okay maybe we don't -- >> all right, okay. >> completed edcompleted -- started december 27th, only harnesses in case of falls. each night ate and slept in hanging tents thousands above the valley floor, for perspective, the half mile stretch of granite they climbed is about as tall as two empire state buildings. >> come on y'all. >> stacked on top of each other.
>> the indianapolis star. colts back up linebacker josh mcnairy charged with rape criminal confinement with body injury and battery. police believe he is responsible for a december 1st attack on a female accuser, an attorney for him denies those charges. the colts play flunked for the afc title on sunday. south china, morning post. taxi drivers across china going on strike over low pay and competition from taxi sevilles smartphone apps such as uber. in china, the apps permit drivers without taxi licenses to pick up passengers many offering cheaper prices. frustrated taxi drivers argue their fees are due to high taxes and city taxes. >> willie you're a city guy. how is that each thing? seems dangerous at times? >> it is sent from heaven. >> really? it's great? >> uber is great. put an app on your phone. sitting in a restaurant, check
comes, want to leave in five minutes. call up the app. pop it. shows a car three, four minutes away. click on the car. sends you the driver's picture, name, phone number. he calls you, says i'll be out front in five minutes. walk out, get in the car tell them where you want to go. it's more expensive than a taxi. the down side. they've had specific isolated -- >> has anybody triped to sexually assault you? >> no. but that -- >> stop! >> that would be my concern. especially if i were -- especially if i were a woman. >> why joe is jealous. he cannot get a cab. nobody will stop. >> there's a quality control issue. i'm wondering. i would not, let's say, my daughter, if she were 17 18 -- >> yeah. have her cell phone number that could happen in a taxicab. something could happen to you late at night on an empty subway car. have them exchange cell phone numbers? the guy calms you -- >> find you later you mean? >> yeah.
i don't know. >> i guess so. it's a problem uber has to deal with. had a few of those incidents. overall, an incredible convenience popping up all over the world. >> even china. >> "the daily mail." >> the royal family increased its social media presence with brand new twitter and instagram. >> thank goodness. waiting for years. >> palace officials say it will feature posts from the duke and duchess as well as prince harry. so far the posts mundane. quite what you would expect from prince harry who found himself in trouble with photos. >> harry's great. got no problem with harry, but, you know william, it's going to be look my male pattern baldness, look what it's done over the past month or two? >> he's doing all right for himself. >> stop. >> postings also promote the royalty charitable foundation we're told. >> you're mean. coming up on "morning joe," which films will be in the running for this year's best picture? we're going to bring you the oscar nomen ace nations live from
hollywood. and cosmo's joanna moles and janice minh join us with analysis. >> rooting for the other guy, willie. this is the year for the other guys. we'll be right back.
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you were a movie star. remember? >> who is this guy? >> he used to be birdman. >> what about you? how was your week? you know who do you hang out with? do you have a girlfriend? what have you been up to? >> i see your point. >> the name of my company is video production news a professional news gathering service. that's how it should be read and how it should be said i. want us to be together for as long as we've got, if that's not very long then that's just how it is
it will have to do. >> you don't know what's coming. as long as i am able to exercise my constitutional right to vote i do not have command of my own life. those that have gone before us say, no more. >> everyone thinks enigma is unbreakable. good. let me try and we'll foe for sure. >> would you be surprised if i told you that the navy has credited you with over 160 kills? ♪ those were the scenes from some of the most memorable films of 2014 and we are just a few minutes away from this year's -- oh. you got the glasses on. oscar nominations. they're nice. put them back. >> okay. >> and joining us editor of cosmopolitan magazine, joanna coles is back and president of the entertainment group at guggenheim media group, janice min. good to have you both onboard. start with you, janice in terms
of movies that are perkicking up steam before the nominations. i feel this is a big breakout role for bradley cooper? >> yes. you know listen, "american sniper" has come on really strong. people are liking it. it's doing well at the box office. this is probably in a year of small independent films i'll guess a lot of your audience still hasn't seen or may never see. "america sniper" hollywood likes, big broad, has stars and clint eastwood. talking yesterday, this is the first movie clint has done since he talked to the chair at the national republican convention and lab ral hollywood doesn't care. they still love clint and think he's one of the greatest. >> joe, jump in. >> i wanted to ask janice. i'm a big wes anderson fan and obviously great to see him win at the golden globes. any chance of repeating, the academy awards? >> okay. i'm saying i think he'll probably get a best picture nomination for "grand budapest."
probably a directing nominations. a kooky darling of hollywood. that golden globe was a huge surprise and also a conventional wisdom that the earlier your movie is released in the year the more likely academy voters will forget about it. this was released in march. it's a real testament to the staying power of the movie and how memorable it's been for people. >> thomas? >> joanna what do you like? because i think you have a distinction between the brits and us regular, old americans? i know that you -- >> ah ah ah. >> i do think my people are going to crush your people in the acting categories this year especially in the best actor category. we've got benedict cumberbatch, eddie redmayne in the role of a life time at's stephen hawking in 'the theory of everything" and david oyelowo as the great martin luther king and it's possible ralph fiennes might slip in for "grand budapest
hotel." could be four out of the five. >> i hate that bradley cooper gets a nomination but i feel every role he gets nominated, and this isn't as feel-good a movie, because people don't feel at comfortable seeing movies about snipers. not really a family movie. >> oh, yeah. >> janice kwhshgs it comes to bradley cooper think about a breakout role. so many great films. why would this be a distinct break breakout role? >> i think it's wrong to call it that. past two, "america hustle " -- >> "silver lining playbook e. >> thank you. >> mika to the rescue on that one. >> hello, everybody! >> oh my gosh. we're making her pop culture. it's happening. >> a great movie. i think we think of him as like the "hangover guy." got-looking funny guy but he's actually done an incredible amount of great work in the last few years. >> joe scarborough, no longer "the hangover guy."
>> actually always the "wedding crasher" guy to me. i love bradley. shows extraordinary range in this movie. extraordinary. janice fascinating story about angelina jolie. puts together a great movie, "unbroken." as you say, for some reason this movie just never really took off with some critics and the buzz you say it dead? >> i would say the buzz died. i mean listen that would be a huge upset if she came back with any nomination for this movie. it came into the season -- >> why that janice? >> you know you look at -- when you look at the nominating process of how you get awards in other categories directors guild, screen actors guild it got shut out. behind the scenes people did not like the movie or didn't think it was awards worthy. we've heard from different members of different voting bodies that the torture scenes were too much for people to take. there's definitely also a little
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>> leave clooney alone. gauss the cecil b. mill award. looking very very good. >> i'll let you duke that out. live now to the samuel goldwyn theater in beverly hills where actor chris pine and academy president cheryl boone isaacs are announcing the nominees for the 2015 academy awards. [ applause ] welcome. what an exciting morning. thank you alfonso and j.j. for kicking it all off. chris, let's continue. >> for performance by an actor in a supporting role the nominees are -- robert duvall in "the judge." evening hawke in "boyhood." edward norton in "birdman or the unexpected virtue of ignorance." mark ruffalo in "foxcatcher." and j.k. simmons in "whiplash."
for parnens by an actress in a supporting role the nominees are -- patricia ar dmet "boyhood." laura dern in "wild." kyra nightly in "the imitation game." emma stone in "birdman or the unexpected virtue of ignorance "and meryl streep in "into the woods." >> for achievement in makeup and hair-styling, the nominees are -- bill corso and dennis lityard for "foxcatcher." frances hannan and mark coolier for "the grand budapest hotel" and elizabeth and david for "guardians of the galaxy." for achievement in costume design the nominees are --
malena kamanaro and mark bridges. colleen gnatwood and anna b. shepherd and jaclyn duran. for achievement in cinematography, the nominees are -- emanuel labefky for oh birdman." robert yeoman for "the grand boot peft hotel." loucash yall and rashard plan koski. dick pope for "mr. turner." and roger deacons for "unbroken." for adapted screenplay the nominees are -- jason hall for "american sniper."
graham moore for "the imitation game." paul thomas anderson anthony mccartan for "the theory of everything" and damien shazell for "y whenlash." for original screenplay, the nominees are -- al la al haund dre, and alexander and armando for the birdman or unexpected virtue of ignorance. richard linklater for "boyhood." e. max frye and dan fudderman for "foxcatcher." wes anderson and hugo guinness for "the grand budapest hotel." and dan gilroy for "night crawler." for original score the nominees are -- alexander day spla for "the
grand budapest hotel." alexander day spla for the imitation game. hans zimmer for interstellar gary for mr. turner and yohan johansson for "the theory of everything." in the best foreign language film category, the nominees are -- from poland eda. from russia laviathan. in estonia, tangerines. from moratania, timbuktu and from argentina, "wild tales." for achievement in directing, birdman, richard linklater, bennett miller, wes anderson and morton tilldon for
the "imitation game." >> for performance by an actress in a leading role, the nominees are -- marion cotillard. felicity jones gilejulianne moore rosamund pike and reese witherspoon witherspoon. for performance by an actor in a leading role the nominees are -- steve carell in "foxcatcher." bradley cooper in "american sniper." benedict cumberbatch in "the imitation game." michael keet keaton in birdman." and eddie redmayne in "the theory of everything."
and finally, we are pleased to announce the films selected as the best picture nominees. they are -- "american sniper." clint eastwood, robert lar"birdman," alejandro and john lesher and james w. xpoch apoll producers. "boyhood" richard linklater and kathleen sutherland producers. "the grand budapest hotel," wes anderson scott rudin, stephen rais and jeremy dawson, producers. "the imitation game," norah grossman do ostrakoski. "selma" christina colson oprah
winfrey, dee dee gardner and jeremy kleiner, producers. "the theory of everything." tim bevin, eric fellner, lisa bruce and anthony mccartan, producers. and "whiplash." jason blum helen estabrook and david lancaster, producers. for the complete list of all the nominations, please visit oscar.com. and join us sunday night, february 22nd, to celebrate these incredibly -- the nominations are in and, joe, the nominations for best picture, let you wrap everything up we just saw here though that is a real fight. that's a real fight. i can't imagine even which one i'd want to win. >> a real fight. a couple of things. robert duvall getting -- making history today as the oldest nominee in his category for best supporting actor at 84. just extraordinary actor forea long time. bradley cooper. once again. a nominee for best actor.
but "american sniper," "birdman" and "grand budapest hotel" have broken through, i can tell you, the scarborough guys all wes anderson fans. if he was yesterday a quirky hollywood director that everybody loved but nobody you know not everybody got in hollywood that has finished the academy, officially embraced wes anderson and just about every major category a big, big day for wes. >> all right. janice min, you've had a moment or two. i've seen you taking notes. what are the shockers to you? >> okay. big snub jennifer aniston. she has run a masterful campaign putting herself in the awards race. she was nominated for a golden globe, nominated for a s.a.g. completely shut occupy. that's going to be a big surprise people will talk about here. and another big snub david oyelowo who plays martin luther king in "selma." look at the field of nominated actors, if i'm not mistaken all
white. a chance to nominate and extraordinary performance and also add some diversity to the mix of candidates this year nominees. so stephen carell who was nominated, seems to be in the place of david oyelowo. "foxcatcher," a movie that had come and gone in the awards discussion. discussion of the movie, mark shultz, the wrestler attacking the movie on twitter, attacking the director bennett miller. the moment seemed to have passed but came back in this discussion. and the other snub clint eastwood did not get a nomination for "american sniper." seemed a sure thing but he didn't get it this year. >> reaction around the studio. joanna coles, your take? >> what is exciting this is not going to be a rerun of the golden globes. we have "american sniper" back. interesting, no female directors in this. >> right. >> selma got a best movie nomination -- >> but not its director. >> angelina completely locked
out. >> wow yeah. >> and the photographer nomination for "unbroken," nothing else. so sort of a mixed showing for women. but i'm very excited about the actual races, because they're all really talented. this is a great year for movies. >> it really is. thomas, what did you think? >> very interesting, but with janice, i was interested more in seeing who was left out and certainly jennifer aniston i thought it was revealing to see her not there. because of the names that they did put out. marion cotillard, janice her role, the film she was in has that gotten a lot of buzz? >> no. none at all. that was a real -- that just shows the academy's love of marion cotillard. this movie is not -- it's not like "la vie en rose" or other movies she's done that's become a darling in america. a huge surprise. i would have even wagered most people didn't even see the screener that came. >> really. lewis? >> janice are you surprised "birdman" is in so many
categories? >> this is our theory at the "hollywood theater" why people love "birdman." it plays to the classic hollywood fear and narrative of an out of work actor and what happens to you. it's -- the acting the actors are the biggest component of the voting body of the academy. and it's also beautifully directed by the director who were "babble" before and nominated for an oscar. it's the comeback story both in the plot but also in michael keaton. it has all the elements hollywood loves. like a fairy tale for actors. >> the big celebration. emma stone. >> yeah. >> this is a big morning for her. >> i'm going to force you all to do something in the last seconds. best picture? >> boyhood. >> no way. >> american sniper. >> going with the imitation game. >> birdman. >> there you we go. >> completely split. >> i'll make janice do it next. thank you so much. joanna, stay with us. what we've learned today, after a quick break.
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working women and families. that's tomorrow at 8:30. >> we always talk about what we learned today. i'm afraid to ask you, because you -- >> just found a dog on the street. says we're adopting. i said no. >> oh it's so cute! i love it. >> i thought -- >> oh my goodness. look at your new dog. >> you got to keep that dog. >> thomas found a dog. so cute! that's a "yes"! . that's a yes. >> who does this for thomas? >> i thought there was breaking news. i thought thomas had breaking nugz from across the wires. >> no. >> patrick does this all the tile. the answer is, no! >> 20,000 people killed in ath earthquake. >> 1,100 square foot apartment. >> the answer is no. >> it wasn't killed in ath earthquake. i thought that was the breaking news. >> so cute. look! >> the signs of those paws. yeah. >> what i learned was, the extraordinary range of peculiar names for benedict cumberbatch out there.
bendy back cuecumber pants. janice min, predictions? >> okay. best picture, boyhood. best director will be alejandro for the birdman director and julianne moore actress, "still alice". >> so good. >> and michael keaton locked for best actor. >> okay. i'm going with "american sniper" for picture. >> really? >> uh-huh. >> we shall see. >> we shall see. nine nominations for "the grand budapest hotel." >> amazing. >> unbelievable. >> and wes anderson's day to come out. a guy that has been beloved by a lot of sort of -- >> you've been talking about him for years. >> we've always -- >> always. >> since "bottle rocket" a huge fan of his but he really went mainstream today. >> still disappointed david oyelowo didn't get one. >> "selma" got snubbed today. that's it for us. thomas and patrick got a new dog. >> no. >> what are you going to name it? >> rundown. after a brief break.
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>> the president is happy. the people of united kingdom have chosen to stay together. >> fear tactics is shameful. >> in the long run this is the strongest vote for the united kingdom. people of scotland got to express their opinion. turn out was massive. they decided they are better off as part of a bigger country. >> even in victory you brits are conde se con condescending to those you oppress. >> congress showed a lot of courage. since 9/11 americans are afraid terrible things will happen. they stood up and could have tucked this bill into some
vote -- wait they tucked it -- they hid it in a spending bill that everybody could sort of shy away from. i had to vote that way or else the government would shut down. they are total cowards. everybody is pitching and moaning about barack obama. like the three bears. the porridge is too hot, the porridge is too cold. they tuck it into a spending bill. if i'm a member for congress and i voted on that bill i can say anything about barack obama. i mean that really was for an issue that's important that was a really cowardly display, in my opinion. >> two things were interesting. this had the support of republicans and democrats in leadership. you had john boehner and harry reid and michigan mcconnell and nancy pelosi on board with this.
number two it led to this interesting dynamic when they were counting all the votes because you had people like ted cruz and mike leigh voting against it. but you had elizabeth warren voting against it, kirsten gillibrand voting against it. >> and, sam stein, you have people who want to run the free world after the 2016 elections to be scared to death to be on the record on this vote. >> not just the funding. funding for syrian rebels but authorization of war which is simil similarly cowardice. they were asked how comfortable they felt going home to tend to their campaign without voting to authorize and they said this shameful we shouldn't be doing this. and they went ahead and indict. >> they went home. >> well we still have not
authorized -- i mean we're working off a 2001 authorization for this war but they should be voting on whether or not to drop bombs in syria and congress -- everyone said yeah we should be voting on it but, of course, elections are their primary concern. >> there's no profiles in courage. let's get people caught up on the news and then talk about your mom in washington. >> the senate joined house of representatives authorizing president obama to train and arm the rebels in syria to fight isis. the president addressed the nation. >> in more than 40 countries including arab countries have offered assistance as part of this coalition. here at home i'm pleased that congress a majority of democrats and a majority of republicans in both the house and the senate have now voted to support a key element of our strategy. our plan to train and equip the
opposition in sir kwa so they can help push back these terrorists. this is in keeping with a key principle of our strategy. the american forces that have been deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. their mission is to advise and assist our partners on the ground. >> mika, does that bother you, seriously? it bothers a lot of people you heard the president and seen him get criticized from both end of the ideological spectrum by members of congress who then are cowards. i can tell you as a one time member of congress, we didn't leave town. there were times that everybody said we're going on vacation you can't shut the place down. we shut it down until we had, i think at the time it was a funding issue and we demanded we have a real debate. these people swamped out in the middle of the night like true cowards. >> this is the kind of moment where you actually see who has grit and who does not.
the president reiterated that no u.s. troops will be deployed for combat part of his plan that's causing a rift between the white house and military. this morning "the washington post" is reporting military leaders are openly questioning the effectiveness of a policy that doesn't contain ground troops. yesterday on capitol hill chuck hagel assured congress that the white house and military were in complete agreement. he also pushed back on reports that president obama intended to micromanage the strikes himself. isis, the isis threat is spreading outside the middle east. australia says it has disrupted a plot to abduct people on city streets and execute them on video. more than 800 officers in sidney and brisbane arrested people believed to be involved with terror group after intercepting a call from isis leader. >> it's really frightening what's happening in australia, can happen anywhere. >> new isis video shows captive
british journalist john cantlie in captivity for two years. he was forced to speak directly into the camera warning that more quote programs are coming. >> yeah the threat we're seeing from across the world not just america but across the world you got members of congress complaining they don't like what the white house is doing but yet they are not standing out and speaking up and having an honest debate on this. >> it's no shock. you do not have profiles in courage. when you talk about folks who are hypocrites when all you care about is your re-election not the american people not leading. that's one of the problems. that's one of the problems with this town in that you have folks all they care about is coming back in january. the president has made it perfectly clear even boots on
the ground and look part of the problem with the american people are not with our troops going into another war, another battle. so he's having to balance the military, balance republicans and democratic critics and most importantly the people who pay his salary and the salary of congress. >> you know, katy, what's fascinating you have generals, chairman of the joint chiefs who keep getting out ahead of his commander-in-chief. it's shocking two items the chairman has blind side the commander-in-chief. if you don't like what the commander-in-chief is doing, quit. he works for the commander-in-chief. follow odds for quit. >> he's reflecting the more widespread unease in the pentagon, there is not a clear end game for this strategy of
air strikes. what are they trying to do? are they trying to ruin the -- bomb the training kanks degrade the supply lines, roll isis back in which case how far are they rolling them back. that's where the unease is. >> the unease is shared in congress. congress doesn't know what they are going to do. they have no clear plan. they are just criticizing. we need a proper open discussion. >> the american people have no idea. they don't want to go back. they don't want to go back to what we had the past decade. in the meantime they are skafrd isis. shouldn't we have a debate instead of members of congress running home scared and campaigning. this is a pathetic. we need a moment in this country where we see what's happening in australia, britain and across the middle east. we need that debate.
in case congress walked out in the middle of the night in a walk of shame. >> it was in the cia, the intelligence community can this work. they have been training the rebels through the cia and they know they are affiliated with bad terrorist elements as well. to your point there's long term damage to congress walking out. what you end up doing you empower the executive branch even further vis-a-vis the legislative branch. the "new york times" had a story because they won't vote on this authorization are giving a de facto authorization. obama declared his intention saying the 2001 authorization applies, if congress doesn't vote yes or no they end up authorizing it by a de facto absenteeism. >> that's what they've done. i don't want to hear that commander-in-chief is shredding the constitution. if they want a real debate they would have had a real debate.
>> i do not want to get away from joe's point. what general denvercy is doing is dead wrong. he should step in line with the president. he is wrong to counter the president of the united states. we should not look over that. i don't care what the generals have to say. he's the president not him. >> he's done it twice now in a public way. i find it surprising. >> we'll get back to this. sources tell nbc news that federal investigators have found no evidence thus far showing new jersey governor chris christie had advance knowledge of the george washington bridge shutdown in 2013. nine months into the investigation officials say there's no sign he planned or ordered the closures. the investigation is still ongoing. yesterday during a press conference governor christie lashed out at another investigation being handled by the state legislature democratic controlled committee telling them to quote wrap up their
work. >> he's attempting to keep his name in the newspaper. we've fully cooperated with him. i'm really growing tired of him. i've known all along this is a partisan pursuit. an absolutely partisan pursuit. and the leaking that's being done by the legislative committee is just further evidence of the fact this is a partisan pursuit. >> what do you think? >> i think the governor has a good point. it's been nine months. this is not iran/contra. you're not figuring out what meeting agents funneled money. i mean, come on. listen, if chris christie screwed up, if he had advance warning then we need to know about that. but they've had nine months. >> okay, but -- >> oh, says the guy from the "new york times."
how many witnesses do you really have to talk to the figure out what happened? they closed two lanes or three lanes of the george washington bridge, "new york times" reporter? >> that's a determination the federal prosecutor should make not us and i would like to point out this is a leak. right? from somebody inside the investigation saying here's what we know so far. we don't know everything there is to know yet. >> a lot of times leaks are wrong. we're nine months into this. how long does it take? >> how far has the damage already been done to chris christie for his presidential -- how much do you hear -- still saying he's a major contender. >> the democrats in new jersey -- >> you need a probe and see to it to its conclusion. if it exonnerates we need to cover it as much as we covered the accusation.
>> i agree. we're learning new details this morning about the domestic violence charges facing arizona cardinal running back jonathan dwyer. dwyer head butted his wife in july after she refused to have sex with him. dwyer is accused of punching her the following day and throwing a shoe at his 17-month-old son. the cardinals head coach says domestic violence is a major problem across the country and dwyer will not be a part of the team unless he's exonerated. >> finally people are aware of it and doing something about it. anyone who touches a woman or a child, my opinion needs go to jail for a long time. if this bad scar on the nfl makes the rest of the world aware of what's going on it's
damn good. >> domestic violence is the top issue for the league. she speaks about six times each day to roger goodell. >> i said last week it would be interesting to see what happened to a player that wasn't a franchise player like greg hardy from north carolina. we found out. if you're on the second team you are immediately treated the way any of us outside of the nfl would be treated if we were accused of such charges. >> chris rainey is on the a squad when the media began to question the arizona cardinals head coach about him and his past domestic violence, he was cut within an hour. now they didn't -- he wasn't recently arrested. i'm not excusing anything he did but within being questioned within one hour he was cut from the practice squad. what's interestsing? 20 minutes i was watching espn. they were showing highlights of u.s. women's soccer team and
lauding hope solo. she goes on trial in november for assaulting her sister and nephew. there was no mention about that. domestic violence is a national issue. should we not be questioning why hope solo is still playing on a women's soccer team and nike dropped adrian peterson had said nothing about hope solo. >> i'm a little skeptical about that. that's one example of a woman beating another woman. we have countless examples of men beating women. hope solo should have been, had the same kind of retribution men are having much let's not use that as an example to suggest women are as guilty of domestic violence. >> no, i'm not. >> it's overwhelmingly done by men. >> i've been covering this
issue, i've had to deal with domestic violence in my own family, taking in two young girls so i'm never silent on this. but i'm making the point if we are saying domestic violence is a national issue and it is, we must be vigilante across the board. what i'm saying we spend a lot of attention focused on the nfl but when there are other cases it's sort of a different standard. should be one standard. >> we want to talk about the alabama judge, claire mccaskill brought thisup a couple of days ago and i wanted you to talk more about that. we'll be doing that in the block coming up because, mika, that will be one positive thing that could come out of this horrible episode in the nfl if everybody that has been accused and shown to have beaten their wives or their children, you know, has a
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>> you said last night it was rare something you envisioned turned out as perfectly. there's your father. i asked dr. brzezinski last night i said where your going this evening because he was planning to fly out and he said i'm going and i didn't hear him. i said excuse me. oslo. it's the capital of norway. thank you dr. brzezinski. he still does to it me. i said dr. brzezinski, i played in a garage band i'm deaf. >> so my mom right there, she's the newest spokes model for steel chain saws. they are putting her in a marketing campaign. she's going to do advertisements and talk about -- the only thing the steel people dime her house to outfit her with safety gear which she doesn't wear. she use an old 1980 steel saw.
they gave her a new battery operated one. steel people real people is the campaign. roger phelps. >> there's a few things more fun than wielding a chain saw. >> she literally -- she does this. these things are like 15 feet high and cuts it up. she's 82 years old. >> do you worry about her? >> i don't. >> having an accident? >> nope. she's good. just don't get too close. >> don't cut his arm with a chain saw. >> she works with a chain saw every day. she's 82 years old cutting these 15-foot trunks. she gets close to me with the chain saw running. >> let's squeeze in some morning papers. we'll start with the "los angeles times." passengers from a jetblue flight are shaking off an incredibly
unnerving experience. their flight to texas turned back to southern california when the plane's cabin filled with smoke after a problem with one of the engines. cell phone video captures what was happening inside with passengers grabbing oxygen masks and desperately trying to call family members back home. once on the ground they escaped the aircraft using inflatable sides with some people suffering minor injuries. >> we've been there and done that minus the masks. we were going down to this event in charleston -- stop it. >> i love telling people that because it makes them laugh. >> it's not true. >> you do realize when you're at 30,000 feet and smoke fills the cabin this is bad and nothing we can do.
>> my heart would stop. i would find it so terrifying. >> let's move on. >> we landed very, very quickly. >> thomas will do the next one. thomas go. >> this is from the "atlanta journal constitution," buccaneers and falconeers facing off. he takes it 62 yards the other way for nfl record, 20th return for a touchdown. only gets uglier for the bucks from there. the falcons win it 56-14. >> he broke sanders record. >> we have a bit of a controversy about your "way too early" performance. i think it was great. >> controversy >> don't we love controversy. >> exactly. he was perfect this morning.
>> details magazine has an interview with ben affleck who is coming clean about a recent dust up at a vegas casino. the oscar winner admits he was counting cards at a black jack table back in may but the actor who was banned for life from the hard woke casino insists he wasn't cheating, i knew with blackjack there's a way to improve your odds. i took some time to learn the game and became a decent blackjack player. and once i became decent the casinos asked me not to playback jack. i mean, the fact that being good at the game is against the rules should tell you something about casinos. this story tells me something about ben affleck. >> did he just realize this? >> this is silly. >> he needs to wear a disguise. >> i'm happy for him he has time for blackjack. >> the "daily mail." a 2-year-old girl is not messing around when it comes to h
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♪ all right. joining us for the must read opinion pages -- >> every week mike sends me the alabama point spread. he's just a good friend because knees i'm always on the go and everybody has a playbook and
here's what's happening in washington and the world is coming to an end. i don't read that. he sends me direct alabama 22 and half point favorite. >> you know what we are this week against florida. >> you're up. >> hold on. i cue you, mike. happy friday. >> welcome home. >> it's happy friday. >> very happy. >> all right. eugene robinson a path to escalation. he asks this in "the washington post." it's not hard to imagine the sequence, more trainers, more period ones, more support staff, more combat-like roles, more troops to execute missions beyond the capacity of our less than impressive proxies. we've seen it before. i cannot avoid concluding that the logic of obama's strategy points toward escalation. i wish he would explain why. david ignatius has something on repeating our mistakes.
the united states has made the same mistake in evaluating fighters from the islamic state that it did in vietnam. under estimating the enemy's will according to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, clapper's comments came in a telephone interview wednesday. that we didn't do was predict the will to fight. in this case we under estimated the isil and overestimated the fighting capability of the iraqi army. i didn't see the collapse of the iraqi security force in the north coming. i didn't see that. it boils down to predicting the will to fight which is an imponderable. that's david ignatius. >> you know, sam stein, maybe one reason why congress got out of town last night. >> the chief component of the president's strategy here is in
essence having some of us do the ground war for him, make sure an arab army in some capacity will do the ground work and dirty work for us. that's the biggest question mark because of what we saw in iraq. at the same time absent putting in 30,000 american troops i'm not sure what the other alternative is. >> let's look at iraq for a minute because we're making the same mistakes over and over and over again. here in iraq we spent a decade, over 4,000 americans died. we spent a trillion dollars or so to build up an army which melted in a couple of weeks. they just melted away. >> remember we also -- but remember what led up to that, the actions of paul bremer played a role in that so he comes in. we pretty much fire everybody, send them away and see a way to reconstruct. remember when russia was
fighting afghanistan what did we do? we supplied weapons, if you will, to the folks who are fighting the russians and all a sudden those are the very people who turned around and fighting us when it came to the taliban, when it came to osama bin laden. so, we're in a conundrum. who do we support? do we support you today who is kind of our friend because you're fighting them but tomorrow you'll be our enemy and members of congress who are afraid in five years they will say you guys armed their people who are trying to kill us. that's why we're clueless what's going on. >> all right. we got a new politico piece this morning looking at politics explaining how opposition research is having a major impact on mid-term election. the senate race one iowa between bruce braley and juny ernts. >> we all know how washington politicians bruce braley compared his female opponent to
a chick. now he's taking his war on chicks too far. after a chicken crossed into his iowa vacation property he threatened to sue his neighborhood, a true iowa juan would have just talked to his neighbors. but not trial lawyer bruce braley. >> you may have a farmer from iowa who never went to law school serving as chair of the next judiciary committee. >> why did the chicken cross into his property? it may be coming home to roost. >> this is the year of dark art. it was something you got emailed or told over phone. now it's become a huge business on the right you have america rising on the left you have american bridge which started it all and all the factors are going together to give these outside groups more influence. the media cycle wants off beat stories. there are fewer reporters to evaluate what's out there.
and because of the online world so much is at the google dot there's tons nor evaluate. american rising has trackers in 30 states. the other side is doing almost as much. >> the trackers are people going around with video cameras -- >> trying to catch these things. >> scott brown was in a canoe on a vacation and they sent a tracker in a kayak behind him just to make sure they were following him down the river. >> in a canoe? >> yes. >> following in a canoe. >> we wonder why good people don't want to run for office. >> why do you bother? >> seriously. >> insane. >> i'm surprised it hasn't happened more often. >> punching of the tracker. >> we talked to politicians before, mayor, governors, they say they will go -- their wives, one governor from the northeast state said his wife a democrat said his wife was followed
around in grocery stores for about three months with a tracker just right behind her and everything she bought -- >> we get the blandest most cautious, most calculated candidates running for high office. >> i would actually vote for anybody from either party that would take the camera out of the tracker's hand and smash it against the wall. it's absolutely outrageous. >> you have these senators who don't realize they have to live in their state. that's come out through opposition research and so a lot of information in these races is real. >> let me go to roland. before we leave i want you to talk quickly you were talking about nfl players and other athletes. let's talk about an alabama judge. an alabama judge who has been accused but hasn't got the same publicity as an nfl football player. >> not accused.
he actually pled guilty to beating his wife in a ritz-carlton hotel in atlanta and what he got was 24 weeks of counselling, his record will then be expunged. the story died down. what bothered me with all these politicians who were blasting the nfl but ignoring the federal judge. this is a guy appointed by the president, approved by the senate judiciary committee and you say nothing. last week i called every remember of the alabama congressional delegation. nobody said a word except congresswoman terry soul. that's what led to shelby, sessions, the governor and now it's picked up. politicians were silent on a federal judge and i'm sorry, because of the power, he has way more power than any football player and i'm saying you go after ray rice you go after the federal judge. >> oh, my gosh. different time now. >> you go after the federal
judge first. you're exactly right, roland. there's few people as powerful as a federal judge that are beyond the reach of the people directly. i'm sorry. i think the judiciary committee needs to have hearings. a guy that beats his wife is not-foot be a federal judge. >> not foibt anything. roland, thank you very much. >> thank you. skbroo we'll s >> it's alabama by 14 and a half. >> still ahead, all options on the table versus no boots on the ground, which message should the president be pushing for. congressman tom rooney and donna edwards debate that live just ahead. is president obama listening to his military advisors. the chairman of the armed services committee, congressman buck mckeown is next on "morning joe."
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♪ 46 past the hour. with us now chair of the house armed services committee republican congressman buck mckeon of california. great to have you here. >> a big night four last night. they hung your portrait along with some great chairmen of the armed services committee. your kids all came from the west to see it. had to be big night four. >> great night. >> let's talk about what else happened last night, congress jammed authorization for the syria bill. for the syria action in a spending bill and then got out
of town. why didn't your committee get a week or two at least to really debate this issue? >> actually, about a week ago -- i lose track of time -- yeah it was last week, tuesday hal rogers chairman of the appropriations committee was ready to put the cr, he gets a call from the president that he would like have this in the bill, we were supposed to vote on at any time next day. so leadership fortunately pulled back and said no. >> we're going to talk about it. >> yeah. so our staff worked all weekend to -- because the language wasn't something we really could live with. >> no. >> but we came up with a bill and we debated it for six hours what tuesday, wednesday and passed it. but it was much more limited. there were members that voted again it because they wanted to have a discussion on the whole strategy. >> right. >> and there were some that
wanted to look at the amuf and there were various reasons. we had a strong vote in support it. >> up look at the front page of the "the washington post" there's a lot of skepticism by the military about this plan, the cia has questions. >> again there's always questions in a situation like this because there's so many unknowns. you say, sir, we cannot succeed from the safety of some headquarters building. most irresponsible thing the president can do is give the military mission but not the tools it needs to do the job. boots on the ground, is that what you're saying, leave all options open? >> what i would -- if i were president or king for a day or something, i would never just start out every discussion with taking off the table what i would not do. why would we tell the enemy what we're going to do? so, i just think -- >> or what we're not going to do. >> either way.
>> right. >> let them be guessing. >> don't tip your hand. >> yesterday we had secretary hagel before our committee to talk in more depth about this and i said please tell the president don't take options off the table. communicate more with people. he's got two years left in his presidency. it's not been a very successful presidency. but he could turn it around. if he would really focus -- you know came out and gave a speech and said we need to, we need to go after isil and really, you know, all full bore but the next week fighting ebola. we cut a trillion dollars out of national defense but keep getting more and more missions. we need to bring some focus. >> mr. chairman, this debate is
not over while it's been delayed you guys are likely to take up a fuller use of force authorization in december once the current one expires. one of the things i hear from members of congress a lot is they don't think that any type of ground action or military action in syria can work but they say it's the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over again and getting the same result. do you think there's a chance if that comes up it fails? >> is there a chance? in this town, anything could fail or pass. sitting now, a few days away from an election and then talking about what's is going to happen after the election, everybody can guess on that. >> who knows. >> mr. chairman, thank you so much for being on the show. >> hit to be a big moment for you last night. >> we served together. >> yes, we did.
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♪ let's have a debate over the vote that happened last night over how we handle isil. with us congressman tom rooney from florida and donna edwards from maryland. tom you voted against this. why? >> i thought it was a losing strategy. i listened to the commander-in-chief. i wanted to support the commander-in-chief in a time of war, but as a former army captain and talking to a lot of the other vets that served it was just something that we felt we needed to talk about more about how to go -- >> more of a debate. >> if you're going to destroy them you need to destroy them. this wasn't the way to do it. >> you asked the question how the syrian rebels how did that turn from fantasy to strategy. >> i don't know. as has been said on this show
already today the experiment has been tested a little bit at this point over the last year with very poor results. so to do it at a larger scale with the president saying there's not going to be any boots on the ground in tampa the other day and elsewhere i just couldn't support it at this point. >> i would say you both don't want to see boots on the ground but representative edwards what's the hope in arming the syrian rebels. have you been given any tangible evidence or intelligence to show this could be a strategy that works. >> the reason i voted against i want is because i'm not quite convinced on the syrian end. i have confidence that the president's strategy with respect to iraq can work. syria, not so much. i mean i'm concerned that turkey doesn't seem to be quite at the table which seems to me key to holding that border to keeping the illegal oil flowing through. >> right. >> and financing isis. i'm concerned about who the free
syrian army is and the rebels are. >> has anything on that been provided that gives you any gut that this could be a potential? >> let me just say this. i do think the president is right that if there can be, you know, training and it works, training outside the other, sunni nations which they got some agreement with that maybe that could work. i am really concerned that we've gone through this. we're going away for two months. no authorization. still operating under the authorization of war from iraq. >> from 2003. >> i don't think that's acceptable. congress really does have a role to play here in making sure we authorize whatever we do in going forward. >> we have a democrat and republican skeptical of this strategy and congresswoman said something that i know people in my past district probably your district are saying too, hey we need buy in. if turkey is not bought in, if a lot of other nations across the middle east aren't bought in why should we go back over there again and fight their fight.
>> absolutely. i agree with everything donna said. i think if you get a new authorize in december when we get back to talk about syria, then we'll be able to shore up those countries to get the buy in, and, you know, but as of right now you asked about who these free syrian people are. we have in the intelligence committee tried to get know them a little bit. i can tell you i am nowhere near to be comfortable than i was a year ago. it sound like fantasy to me. we got a choice right now. it's a terrible choice between assad and isis. why don't we tell the american people the truth. there's not a neat clean way in syria right now. >> i do think the president is right to focus on resources on making sure we shore up the politics in iraq, making sure that we arm the kurds and the sunnis to fight that fight because at some point or other
the people in the region and the players in the region have to be willing to put more on the line and have more skin in the game than the united states. that's the only way -- >> thanks to you both for coming in. >> the gators are in alabama. >> obviously the fwators. >> obviously not. >> coming up at the top of the hour, nine months into the investigation of the george washington bridge shutdown, do officials finally have a case against governor christie? we have their findings next on "morning joe." plus new polling on the nfl. what do americans think of the league's handling of the domestic violence crisis. we'll bring you those numbers next. and chris matthews joins the conversation. "morning joe" will be right back. n. when the world called for speed... ♪ ...when the world called for stealth... ♪ ...intelligence... endurance...
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." we're in washington, d.c. this morning, a beautiful morning, sam stein and jeremy peters is still with us. joining us at the table the host of msnbc's "hardball," chris matthews. i love your show. >> thank you. generally but also for saying that. >> good to have you on board, chris because i know you might have something to say about all this. the senate last night authorized the president to arm and train the syrian rebels with the backing of rare bipartisanship. >> more than 40 countries including arab nations have offered assistance as part of
this coalition. here at home i'm pleased that congress, a majority of democrats and a majority of republicans in both the house and the senate of now voted to support a key element of our strategy. our plan to train and equip the opposition in syria so they can help push back these terrorists. this is in keeping with a key principle of our strategy. the american forces that have been deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission, their mission is to advise and assist our partners on the ground. >> who is the president talking to? was there an audience. >> a tennis match. >> oh, stop. >> a small group of reporters. >> had to get it together quickly. the president reiterated no u.s. troops will be deployed for combat. it's cause an rift between the white house and military. this morning "the washington post" is reporting military leaders are openly questioning the effectiveness of a strategy that doesn't include the possibility of ground troops.
but yesterday during hearings on capitol hill secretary of defense chuck hagel assured congress that the white house and military were in complete agreement. he also pushed back on reports that president obama intended to micromanage the strikes himself. >> chris matthew, this isn't anything new. jfk often disagreed with his military and you got general dempsey now twice come out and basically blind side the president so much so that the president had to come out and make statements to the nation. it was pretty brutal. a couple of days ago a source inside the white house told me there's a reason why the president sometimes identifies himself as the commander-in-chief, it's to send a message to his generals that they work for him. >> you're right about the history. it goes back to truman and macarthur whether we go to war with red china. they came after us in korea and kennedy with the bay of pigs
they wanted to go all in with the air strikes. he said no i'm not sucking in with that baby. with the cuban missile crisis, kennedy got through it. but this time around, the thing that's concerning the president's reasons for not having as he calls it boots on the ground or sort of a combat ground game here is political it seems. i'm not sure it's strategic. i'm not sure there's a plan there to win this by air but simply to avoid doing it by land. and i keep thinking about this. we have certain constraints however and that's iraq doesn't want us in there again, pretty clearly. they don't want anybody in there even iraqis even if they are losing. syria we have no way to get in there. the question is can we run a ground campaign. they hate us over there. the longer you occupy a country the more they hate you. you only have a limited amount
of time to win a war. but they got us in by beheading those guys. they weren't like the japanese if we hit them on the pearl harbor they will continue seed it to us. they pulled us back in there. now when a flyer gets shot down you know what will happen, a terrible situation they will grab some of our guys, whether special ops guys work with the tribes or whatever. then what do we do? this is graduated response they called it in vietnam which is a disaster. graduated response. that means you keep reacting to the enemy and they keep matching you. >> jeremy, congress just left last night. they tucked this into a spending bill. they left. we didn't have a real debate about it. we have been complaining about stumbling into war in 2003 for a decade for you. that's exactly what we're doing 11 years later. i feel like getting peter, paul and mary in here and see where
have all the flowers have gone. chris matthews is the only other person on this set who knows that song. when will we ever learn? it's the same thing 11 years later. we're stumbling into war again and congress is not having a debate this time. >> they will. >> when will he >> remember, this was a short term shorzation. >> after the election. >> as of december 11th this goes away and congress will have to act again. now there's going to be some pressure, i think, trees the left not to vote on this because there's a real fear if congress votes on this they will not give the president fuller military authority. but, i think one of the things that we really need to remember here is how iraq still haunts every vote these members take on matters of war and peace. and so really -- >> by the way, it should. >> it should. >> generals shouldn't fight the last war, politicians in washington should be haunted. i should be haunted.
75% of americans who supported the war in iraq should be haunted by the past 11 years. i'm glad. >> right. when it comes up if it comes up, i think you'll see a lot of deep, deep reservation about getting any further involved into a messy middle east conflict. >> isn't that exactly why we're here and why the first concept sam stein is to the arm syrian rebels and try a different way in because of that haunting? >> yeah, i think that's right. i agree in part with chris that we're getting sucked in here. you can see the steps by which this becomes a slippery slope for more authorization. >> is it a slippery slope or discipline. >> that's where i disagree with chris. you talk about the decision how not to put american combat troops is political. i think there's a strategic
underpinning. i think the arab nations need to solve the problem in their own backyard. now can you compel them to fight this war? that's the bigger question. but putting in 30,000 more american troops it might solve the problem in the short term. >> the military always wants more troops. by the way, that's because they are the military. they think like colin powell if you're going to war we don't want to have a fair fight we want to throw everything at them. but there's a divide what may make the most strategic sense and what's politically possible. this president -- everybody is criticizing the president for a foreign policy where he didn't go into syria early enough, he didn't do this early enough. this president, in this area, at least reflected the will of a war weary nation. still war weary. >> there may be a coincidence of domestic policy and strategic policy. the president has put himself in a position we're going to bomb
iraq certainly and probably syria and keep bombing and killing arabs on the ground. they know that's a chicken policy because they cho we're basically retreating as we're doing it. there's a great old staying arabs are used to the westerners retreating under the cover of artillery fire. we fire at them as we retreat. we're not on the front. we're not going forward. we won't get on the ground dean it. they cho we're retreating. so we'll bomb them. kill them. eventually hit a hospital or a school and there will be a mother holding a child, all over international television and gradually that part of the world will turn against us. forget about the beheadings and hate us for what we're doing. air power will do enough damage for to us be hated. >> i agree. i talked to ben rhodes and others in the white house about this and that's why they want to have an international element to this coalition. they want arab nations involved. when they turn on us over those
images. >> the first arab to joins in the field. >> that's the problem. >> imagine what happen if there were a vote in donetsk authorize military action and it failed. what kind of a message that would send. >> if moderate sunni states don't want to join this fight, mika, when their governments are in threat of collapse, then why should we send more troops over to die? why should taxpayers spend more money saving them? >> i think that you and the president are kind of aligned here in some ways. >> i'm gas the president has finally come my way. >> okay. let's move on to news. sources tell nbc news that federal investigators have found no evidence thus far showing new jersey governor chris christie had advance knowledge of the george washington bridge shutdown in 2013. nine months into the investigation, officials say there's no sign he planned or ordered the closures though the investigation is ongoing.
yesterday during a press conference governor christie lashed out at another investigation being handled by the state legislature's democratically controlled committee telling them quote to wrap up their work. >> unfortunately he's attempting to keep his name in the newspaper. we have fully cooperated, absolutely fully cooperated with him and i'm really growing tired of him. you know, i've known all along this is a partisan pursuit. an absolutely partisan pursuit. and the leaking that's being done by the legislative committee is just further evidence of the fact that this is a partisan pursuit. >> so, chris, is it fair to say that this was a pretty simple matter. if you're an investigator you get the texts, you get the emails, you get the communications, you get everybody in separate rooms, you start talking to them. at what point do you suggest that the democratic legislature in new jersey to put up or shut up. this has been nine months.
>> they don't have the power to get kelly on the stand and threaten her with jail time. we have no evidence they got their key witnesses who are definitely in peril here for their own futures. >> how long does this last? >> i don't know. i think all these things take too long. >> why won't she talk? >> they've decide what they want to be punished with and what the governor gets punished with. did the governor ever tell them -- here's how the game works. we get mayors behind us. we'll be tough and have a lot of democratic mayors behind us. somebody put that strategy together. >> so, how long does the democratic investigation last? >> i think fishman is the guy, the u.s. prosecutor who does this for a living and is a pro and apparently not partisan to find out what happened here. it's good news for the governor. doi want to point out the whole
question most people saw in this was a pattern of behavior set from the top we'll play tough. to me it was always more impressive to me -- the testimony of the mayor of hoboken was very impressive when she said the lieutenant governor had come to her and said meet me in a parking lot. i know it shouldn't be this way but if you don't back this waterfront project the mayor is after you won't get any more government money. that has a ring of truth of it. richard nixon got in trouble not so much for the break in, but the culture of the plumbers and doing knigit takes to get our enemies -- the psychiatrist office broken into. to be fair it's good news for the governor he can campaign now. >> how is the governor doing a year late center >> he's great. his numbers are great. given all the stuff that's going
on. there's not a lot -- jeb hasn't made his move. mitt romney has the potential at least on paper of coming back but that sweet spot in the republican party which is a couple of notches to the right of center, that sweet spot where you know whoever can hold that position going into november 16th has a very good chance against secretary clinton if she's nominated. she will be a bit to the right of the democratic party on foreign policy issues so they are going battle for that first 10%, 20% and the middle that decides elections. >> imagine how crowded this republican field is right now. there's so many dynamic personalities that could end up running. >> i've never seen the percentages to so low. look at iowa, new hampshire, everybody is in single digits. can you believe that? >> you mentioned foreign policy is an issue. none of these recontenders have significant foreign policy
experience. hillary clinton does. that could be a real asset. >> it depends. >> benghazi, that's baked into the cake. >> i'm not just talking about benghazi, i'm talking about a world that's falling apart before our eyes in the last year. a lot of people will ask where was hillary clinton on russia on the reset. you can talk about benghazi. talk more about libya. >> how would you characterize her foreign policy experience? >> in terms of input and effort an a. nobody is going to say anybody worked harder at the job. while she was on the post nothing blew apart under her watch. obviously the swoorld messy place. i'll tell you what i think will happen. lot of men will deal with family situation and if you're a guy you will vote against hill lie you better have a good argument at home why. you have to be able to say why the guy you're voting for has higher credentials. you come up with some guy that has never been overseas who once went to rome with his wife and
say that guy should beat her you better have a better good argument at home. >> you know what might at home is what happened in my parents' home in 1960. my mom came home and my dad said who did you vote for. did you vote for nixon. my wife goes yes. five years later she goes i voted for kennedy. >> my mom told my brother jim, mom secretly came to me don't tell your father i vote forward kennedy. >> that's what my mom did. my mom, my dad -- >> the guy will have to be the sneaky guy. >> oh, yeah. i voted for hillary. seems like a regular guy. >> what you voted for -- great. there will be a lot of wasted gas on election day with thus band and wife to go in and vote against each other. i'm sure hillary has the strength of a middle.
a notch or two more hawkish than her rivals, certainly more than the president. if she grabs the sweet spot around the middle. >> she and bill kristol could write a book together. there's not been a war since the 1990s that hillary clinton has supported. >> somehow you're doing her a favor >> you're saying humphrey -- >> she's not scoop jackson. she's centrist democrat on foreign policy. >> the big concern in liberal circles is hillary's foreign policy. people are concerned about her propensity. >> your running for hillary? >> she's an interventionist. she wants to go to war a lot more than i want to go to war, a lot more than rand paul wants to go to war, a lot more than -- i'm not to the left of hillary on war, i'm left to hillary on wall street.
>> that could be a problem for her, actually. >> it will be a fascinating election. a lot of cross currents. >> the problem with the democrats they raise a lot of money on wall street and they whack it. taking on the rich guys, can i have some money, please. >> exactly. >> right now i'll be whacking on tv. >> chris matthews thank you so much. >> "hardball." >> "hardball" tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. still ahead chuck todd and chairman of the foreign affairs committee ed royce will join us. plus this story behind this brazen art thief. you're watching "morning joe."
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all right. time now to take a look at the morning papers at 23 past the hour. we'll start with the "wall street journal." hackers have struck again, this time hitting home depot. this hurts. the company says 56 million credit cards may have been compromised by criminals who use ad custom built program to break into the system. banks including chase and capital one are now replacing the cards of customers exposed in the attack. hackers have also recently busted into target and neiman marcus. is thomas there? >> thomas. >> good morning. we want to look at the "usa today" and what they are looking at. china's richest man is overseeing the largest ipo ever. this morning the retail giant alibaba will begin trading on the new york stock exchange. it's founder is now worth a ridiculous amount of money but it wasn't too long ago where he failed the national college
entrance exams and was rejected from a job at kfc. now the company is poised to have a market value of $168 billion. market shares are going to go for about 68 bucks a pop at the ipo. >> you know what's so interesting about this thomas and mika, yesterday in detroit we were talking to michael bloomberg and michael bloomberg is one of the richest guys in the world. because he actually got fired and as he said -- he was forced to start his own business. and as mayor berg said i would not be hired by some of the better firms today on wall street because i supposedly don't have the skills and talents. what about all the college graduates that have changed the world over the past 20, 30, 40 years. they are disrupters. they don't fit neatly into this system. >> we'll have you do the detroit news. take it. >> your sfleel can i do it. was that an amazing day in
detroit yesterday? >> that was an amazing day. >> i love those people. >> a great day. >> such good news for detroit. >> it's coming back. >> the detroit news, headline says what we saw firsthand yesterday, the business community is impressed by detroit. 64 small business owners are investing back into their community after graduating from the goldman sachs backed 10,000 small business program. it's part of what's helping the city make an amazing turn around. we're behind detroit's fight for a brighter future. so we teamed up with warren buffett and goldman sachs to spread the good news. motor city is roaring back and valerie jarrett there. thank you for being a part of this. we have a question four. do you think detroit's bankruptcy strategy is a smart way to move forward? that's the thing we debated yesterday. we want you to join the debate. download the icitizen app to answer. i got the icitizen app. i downloaded it.
it's great. so download it and vote. do you think detroit's bankruptcy strategy is a great way forward? >> it's a great way to join the conversation. we want to hear what you have to say and that's a great way to gauge opinion. >> wonderful show. can we gate live band all the time? >> oh, my god the sun messengers were fantastic. >> let's take a peek at the new jersey star ledger, cory booker looking at a tax loophole that meticulous nfl to operate as a nonprofit organization. he's teaming up with senator cantwell. >> the belfast telegraph almost looks comical but the man caught on this security camera is committing a very real crime. the suspect is scene casually strolling through a gallery, looking at the art and brazenly
just removes world war i painting off the wall and tries to stuff it in his jacket. it doesn't fit. so he just simply walks out the door with the artwork one his arm. guards caught up with him but he escaped before police could arrive on the scene. what? >> he needs to buy bigger clothes if he's going steal with them. >> we were at an art gallery last night. >> coming up how does ibm plan to be cool and stay competitive with silicon valley's biggest names. we'll take a look at the woman behind that company. ibm's story is remarkable. first did the white house take too long to put together a strategy to defeat isis. we have the chairman of the foreign affairs committee, representative ed royce and chuck todd. we'll ask why congress didn't
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welcome back to "morning joe." 32 past the hour. joining us now the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee ed royce of california and also with us nbc news political director and moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd.
happy they have you both on board. >> ed, we're wondering why congress left town before we had really big robust debate on an issue that nobody agrees on. we're stumble into something. the white house didn't want to call it war. should have congress stayed in town and debate this and got down to the bottom of what our strategy is. >> we had six hours of a debate. but the bottom line, joe, is we've seen this isil organization double in size. >> right. >> if we're a little bit worried about what's going to happen in saudi arabia, in uae, in jordan, in yemen in terms of those governments toppling there better be an international plan to take some concerted action and it better be led by those in the region, by sunnis and kurds. >> your saying it's too early for us to go all in. >> i don't see why you would want to blow back of having the united states be the force on the ground there. we got 190,000 kurdish troops. why not arm them properly.
you got other groups like the free syrian army that are fighting isil right now. why not get them, give them the wherewithal and have a broader coalition, french air strikes started this morning, have a broader coalition go in there and do the air power. >> what arab state is going to go in on the ground? >> i had meetings yesterday with the ambassadors from many of the countries from the region. and what they communicate to us is that when they are working with sunnis right now that are part of the awakening, part of the response against al qaeda in the past when they see the kurds aren't getting the equipment that they really need and we met with the foreign minister from kurdistan who says his troops need the equipment why not do that than introduce the luns into that caldron. >> what if the sunni moderates
don't do this. what if this moderate opposition whoever they are, what -- if they don't have the wherewithal. you want the home have this wherewithal. is there proof they have the wherewithal to do this. >> let's look at the kurdish contingents. you had female kurdish contingents on the ground. now you have a push back along the kurdish region with our air support. >> no offense on the kurds. take the kurds out of it. the kurds have always been there. everybody else. where are the saudis. what about the turkeys? >> the saudis writing a check. they are working right now with sunnis on the ground. >> they are writing a check and other saudis are writing dhoek isis. >> we're working on terror finance to cut that off as we work on pressure on the turn rks to close that border.
this is hard work. there's no guarantees in this. the one thing you know at the end of the day is we did engineer the sunni awakening against al qaeda. it can be ignited again. and already, already isil is overplaying its hand. >> how big of an ally is turkey? >> it's a bad ally. they are an ally because they are in nato. they don't behave like an ally. what pressure can we put on turkey to make certain it closes that border, and that it moves against those alibabas, those crooks and thieves taking $2 million a day in oil from isil. >> everything you say makes perfect sense. i have no follow up questions. i want to add in about tissue of
arming the free syrian army. is there any hope, any legitimate credibility to the concept? i mean do you think that there is some way this could work? >> well think about this. these are people that for the last two years held on. they are sort of the middle class in syria. the president said, you know, they are pharmacists, farmers, physicians. can you teach them how to fight? i don't know. for two years they held on against isil on one front, against the barrel bombs coming down from assad and without money they have held on. you got to keep that line of supply open up there to the border. and you got an opportunity to help them do that and stay part of the fight against isil. why wouldn't you want them to defend them. >> chuck, we were both around covering the hill in 200 3rks covering the white house in 2003. why does it seem that in 2014 to
stumble to syria is even more skron l convoluted. >> i'm not chalking about the chairman. i'm talking about capitol hill as a whole is so convoluted. you got the military firing at the president. you got the chairman of the joint chiefs crossing his commander-in-chief every chance he gets in front of capitol hill. you have the cia registering their concerns. you have democrats and republicans both skeptical. you that have leadership shoving this into a funding bill. >> where is the -- why aren't he focusing on redo incorporate the war authorization. right? this would for the debate. we learned nothing politically from the iraq, the lack of debate around the iraq war, the lack fof cuss and going through the different contingency plans. i think congress will regret this moment that we're sort of -- there is -- nobody has
explained to me how we don't end up with some combat troops on the ground at some point or another because there's no -- if we're trying to arm the syrian opposition and it fails, are we going walk away? >> the times have an article today for better or worse we are putting combat troops on the ground. if one of these special forces is fired upon they have the right to fire back. that's a form of combat. i think your previous point actually was a valid one and directed to the congressman which is the lack of a vote on an authorization could cause serious long term damage to the institution of congress itself. you're sedding to the president to declare war. >> it doesn't mention syria. it doesn't mention al qaeda. we're justifying it on that little damage. what kind of damage are you worried about to running home to
tend to elections than voting on a war authorization. >> a lot of this is a statement by members that they are not going to give the president authorization or any president authorization to put u.s. combat troops into that theater of operation. i mean that's a reality is that there's a feeling that what the president is asking for right now is to aid, aid a group that from a humanitarian standpoint is being attacked by isil. that's a different issue than starting down that road for authorization of use of force which then could lead to the slippery slope that you all are -- >> congress would not authorize -- >> congress would not send in the 82nd airborne and that's the point. they are transmitting that message. second that's not bad for the arab world to see either because this isn't our fight it's their fight. >> congressman ed royce thank you very much. chucked to what do you have? >> mike mullen will be there,
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe," 44 past the hour. joining us now senior writer for "the washington post" frances sellers. also with us fortune's magazine assistant editor, leigh gallagher. leigh is here with the 50 most powerful women issue. first we want to talk scotland. what happened? >> a no vote which was down to the line and really down to the line. what really just happened cameron game out and said we need to devolve not just to scotland but also to england, tole wales and northern ireland how to rethink britain. britain has been rethinking itself in the last few years and that's the very interesting question. how do you create a modern
multicultural -- >> isn't that a conservative argument giving more power, taking power away from centralized authority and dispersing it. >> i think that. if you go back it's only about ten years ago britain began to rethink itself and think about citizenship. in the post-9/11 world and it was only then they introduced citizenship test, naturalization test, like a multicultural front to be british that didn't run on ethnic identities. this referendum were asking people to look at ethnic identities. >> i have no idea what to talk about -- >> my goodness if yes prevailed. >> stamering like an idiot this morning. >> have you seen the flag? it's a black flag with a white cross on it. >> amazing. >> the only thing i understand
about this is that cameron called this referendum two years ago. first of all, it obviously would have blown up in his face if it prevailed but how much political damage has he sustained? >> i think he's very damaged. now he has to rally people together and that's why he's talking about not only scotland but england, wales and northern ireland. how far this goes fascinating. >> so close. it was to the wire. it was a bit of a surprise this morning even though many people as katty said it's not a surprise. >> it surprised me. >> before we get to the most powerful women list which i watch every year. ellison stepping down. >> big news but at the same time not so big news. first of all, larry ellison if you're a business journalist he's one of the great.
one of the huge forefathers of the tech industry but so colorful, so flamboyant, so much fun to cover. but the truth is he's got two very, very senior lieutenants, co-presidents now, co-ceos and he has been -- i mean they have been running the day-to-day for a few years. he's still going to be the chief tech officer. >> let's get to most powerful women list. you guys do this every year. "fortune" magazine. let's go through the top five. i think it's fascinating. jenni remitti. >> this year there are more ceos on this list than ever before. 24 of our 50 are ceos. there's so much talk there's not enough women in business. that's true. we're making such strides. in 2002 on the fortune 500 there were two ceos who were women and
now there are 24. in 2010 there were six. >> talk about ginni. i want to get to mary barra and number three. >> they are in the mid. crises or turning their companies around. ginni rometti is here. people say she's wicked smart. >> mary barra is number two on the list. general motors. sort of thing that women say they mutter it, it's always the women that have to come in and clean everything up. is that true? >> she inherited this problem. it did not happen under her watch. >> or the baton isn't passed to a woman until it's falling apart, i've heard that muttered too. >> this is a gender divided panel. >> you want to stay four feet away? >> somebody put us here.
>> it's not fair to say that. however, women are really good in a crisis feign look at the way mary barra dealt with the g barra dealt with the crisis, she came out, she apologized. she named new vice presidents. she really came out, attacked it. it continued to get worse after that, but, you know, she's an incredible leader. and what is lost in the gm story is the incredible turnaround she is trying to do with the culture. gm's culture, it is famously internal. there are committees for everything. ross perot once said when eds was doing business with gm, at gm, if there's a problem with snakes, at eds, you would kill the stakes. at gm, you start a committee about snakes, you talk about it for a year. >> i want to get to the ceo of pepsico, number three on the
list. she's fascinating in terms of some of her comments on working motherhood. she also released i think one of the most extensive statements on the nfl and domestic violence. >> she did, just this week, yes. another example of where these women are coming right out ahead and leading. pepsi's also a company in the middle of this tremendous innovation or transformation in terms of addressing its menu of food products and trying to stay with the times with concerns about health. >> her comments on working motherhood and also mary barra. they were fascinating. she doesn't think it's necessarily possible to be able to -- >> all of these women wrestle with what anyone in business wrestles with but just, you know, exponentially so. one of the things that's interesting. we have our most powerful women summit every year. last year, we asked on stage, who here has a husband who stays home. and everyone was shocked at the number of women who raised their
hands. these are the women who have the means to do that. but that was surprising. >> oh, man. >> you're jealous. >> i'd love to stay home. >> it's so good to have you back. i'm glad you guys are way over there. the new issue of "fortune" magazine. why are they all the way over there? >> i don't know, we are not bad people. >> i go where i'm told. >> some day, we'll have a most powerful men's list because they will be in the minority -- >> well, yes, how do we put it together? all right, legal ge gallagher, francis, thank you. still ahead, now that he's got the support of congress, what's next for president obama's attack on isis? white house press secretary josh earnest will be our guest. also ahead, legendary performer, cher, sued by her own backup dancers? we'll explain that. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
coming up at the top of the hour, are military officials already breaking from president obama's isis plan? we'll ask the press secretary about the apparent rift. >> it's pretty extraordinary. >> yes, incredible. plus, new troubling details
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the point is, different troops wear different boots. which raises the question, which footwear are we willing to put on the ground? i mean, obama said he wouldn't put boots on the ground, all right. but apparently, that was a total croc, okay. because now he's flip-flopping, all right. which makes the american people say, ugh. and [ muted ] me. i've always said, i've always said, it's no surprise, i've always said that obama is a loafer, but with his constant golfing, now he just looks like some kind of clown. because he knows that boots on the ground are a slippery slope. and the last thing he needs is another wedge issue. he needs to stop conversing with our allies and just do it.
cowboy. otherwise, otherwise, and i hate to say it, otherwise, the whole country is going to be taking it in the booty. >> all right. sam stein is still with us. >> gosh, he won't go away. he's like velcro. >> you cannot take me away from the set. >> he kept trying to take over the segment about 50 most powerful women. >> that's such a lie. >> sam, you're such a misogyni t misogynist, you have to learn to be a gentle spirit. >> white house press secretary josh earnest. >> good morning. >> we're going to be talking about the it's on us campaign. it's fantastic. we we'll get to that in just a moment. >> we're going to start with the
headlines. "washington post." i know you've seen it. military skepticism of obama's plan. we've also had the chairman of the joint chiefs. getting out way ahead of where the commander in chief is. you're saying no, and -- >> no, he didn't, joe. >> i love you, man, but i just -- i don't think you believe that. >> no, joe, i don't. dempsey was clear about his support for the strategy. after all, this is the strategy that chairman dempsey has advised the president on so it shouldn't be a surprise that chairman dempsey and the president are in the same place on this. >> has the president followed it is chairman's advice? because a lot of people in the military say he hasn't. >> the president listens carefully to the advice he gets from his military commanders. in fact, the president of the united states fueled up air force one and flew to central
command headquarters in tampa where he could get an in person briefing from his advisers on the strategy for broadening our campaign in iraq and syria. the president appreciates the very solid advice he's received from his military commanders -- >> "the washington post" headline, when it says, in the military, there's skepticism of the president's plan? >> i think the headline's wrong. all they do is misinterpret chairman dempsey's testimony and the rest of the time they essentially quote people who are either frequent critics of the president or people who supported the previous iraq conflict. so the more accurate headline would be supporters of the war in iraq criticized president obama's strategy -- >> josh, are you disappointed a lot of congressmen and women and senators have been criticizing the president's military approach in this crisis, ran out of town last night without having a full, fair open debate
on what we should do on syria and iraq? >> i actually think the united states congress over the last 36 hours or so has sent a very clear signal to the country, to our allies around the globe and our enemies that united states congress and the president are all in the same place in terms of our strategy for degrading and ultimately destroying isil. we saw a majority of republicans and democrats in the house. a majority of republicans and majority of democrats in the senate all joining together to support the president's strategy to ramp up the assistance we're providing to the syrian rebels -- >> josh, have you talked about our allies? do we still consider turkey to be an ally? >> turkey is a nato ally, that's correct, yes, they are. >> well, in words only. but they haven't been act like an alley over the last several months, have they? >> we have differences where they're allies on a range of issues. this happens in every administration. and it sort of reflects the depth and robust nature of our
relationship, that we can have differences of opinion with them on some issues but still preserve a strong alliance. >> is the president disappointed with the way turkey's behaved over the past several months? >> well, joe, we have been engaged robustly with allies around the globe, including turkey. the secretary of defense was just there about ten days ago to talk to them about what we can do to work together to confront this threat that's posed by isil. the nation turkey has a significant interest in assuring that the international community comes together to confront the threat. after all, they're to mofomentil this violence right on turkey's doorstep. it's in the interest of turkey's leaders to join with the international community to beat back and ultimately destroy this threat. >> i'm just not so taken or concerned about the haggling over strategies and words of war in washington on the brink of war. i think that's what happens. the bigger issue is how we're
not going to fall into going it alone. i wonder, josh, what leverage are we going to use, what leverage do we have to ensure we're not going it alone here? >> what the president has indicated is a determination to ensure that what we're going to do is build a broader international coalition. it is in the clear interest of the international community. it is in the clear interest of these muslim majority sunni-led governments in the region to work together to combat this. the president said candidly when he did the interview with chuck todd it's his view these sunni-led governments who previously assumed shia-led governments were the greatest threat to their countries. the fact is, it's the president's view these extremist sunni muslims fomenting all this instability are actually the greatest threat to these countries. that's why we're confident we can built an international coalition. >> how much confidence do you have in this syrian army? a lot of people are concerned they're not going to be able to do it and we're not going to be
able to trust them. >> well, there's no doubt we have a lot of work to be done. that's why it's important for congress to take the bipartisan action they did. to give the administration title 10 authority, to ramp up the assistance we're providing. the fact is, the -- if we're going to be successful in degrading and destroying isil and ensuring they don't have a safe haven, there need to be boots on the ground that are taking the fight to them on the ground in syria. the president's determined those are not going to be combat boots on the ground in syria, so we need to make sure -- we have syrians fighting for their own country. we'll back their efforts with american military air power. that will help too. but there's no doubt that they need to improve their performance on the battlefield. >> josh, you're doing a great job there answering these questions on the set of the upcoming movie "bob the builder." we've got field workers, we've got like zamboni machines going on behind you. seriously, it is a major, like,
shop class going on there. >> but he is earnest. >> we have sam stein, who actually has a hall pass from his prep school to ask you a question. >> excellent. hi, sam. >> i don't know. all right. with respect to boots on the ground, "the new york times" has an interesting article saying for better or worse the troops we're sending in for the sort of reconnaissance missions, they're combat troops. if they're fired upon, they will fire back. just wanted you to react to this quote from the retired army general. quote, you may not be in direct combat but it's a combat mission. is he wrong? >> well, i think the real question, sam, is what sort of mission has the commander in chief and are the commanders on the ground giving these soldiers. the role and the mission that these troops will be given when they're operating on the ground there will be be an advise and assist role. it's their responsibility. if they're in a position where they're forward deployed. so far, there have not been any. if they're in a position where they're forward deployed working alongside iraqi security forces,
what they will be doing is not directly or personally engaging the enemy in combat. they'll be there to offer tactical advice to those iraqi security forces. in some situations, you can imagine, they might be responsible for calling in air strikes. and the president was candid in the remarks he delivered to troops at macdill air force base that every mission involves risk. there certainly would be risk associated with these forward deployed soldiers. the question is about what sort of mission would they be given by their commanders and what sort of mission would they be given by their commander in chief. it would not be a combat mission. it would be an advise and assist mission. >> thomas roberts in new york. >> i wanted to ask you about arming the syrian rebels. i was e-mailing with jen sochi at state before he got back to testify. with the questions about specifically whether or not there are conversations that will ever take place with bashar al assad. is it the white house's position that's an option on the table,
that's something that might happen, or that's something that will never happen? >> well, thomas, we've been really clear about the fact that president assad has lost the legitimacy to lead his people. that's the will of the people that assad should go and there should be a government put in place that more accurately refler reflects the will of the syrian people. we've been very clear about that to assad. it's assad's failed leadership that has led to the circumstances on the ground in syria that have allowed isil and other extremist organizations to try to establish a safe haven there. there are a variety of reasons why president assad's leadership is inconsistent with america's national security priorities. so we're going to do what we need to do to built an international coalition to take the fight to isil, degrade and ultimately destroy them. >> i want to swing now to the white house getting involved again with really trying to spark social change on a number of levels. this is about campus communities
preventing sexual assault. >> this has been an important priority for a long time. they're both fathers. they both believe that it should be a top priority for us to combat sexual violence and sexual assault on college campuses and, more broadly, in our society. and the goal of this campaign is to make clear that not only are we going to make sure that we have the law enforcement and disciplinary structures in place to hold accountable those who perpetrate these acts. not only do we want to or support to those who are survivors of this kind of violence, we also want to make sure it's clear to people all across the country, on campuses in particular, that it's on all of us to take responsibility for combating and eliminating sexual violence on college campuses. from teachers and coaches, students and fraternity brothers and sorority sisters. it's on us to speak up and take responsibility for ensuring we're going to prevent sexual violence from occurring. this is an effort to try to
build some social awareness to this. we're working with media campaigns and others to raise awareness and get people to take the pledge at its on us.org. >> it's a good campaign. white house press secretary josh earnest, thank you very much. >> and the website again is itsonus.org. new domestic violence charges facing running back jonathan dwyer. police say dwyer head-butted his wife in july after she refused to have sex with him. the head-butt allegedly left his wife with a broken nose. dwyer is also accused of punching her the following it a and throwing a shoe at his 17-month-old son. the cardinals head coach says domestic violence is a major problem across the company and dwyer will not be a part of the team unless he is exonerated. >> finally people are becoming aware of it and doing something about it. it's uncalled for.
i think anyone who touches a woman or a child in my opinion needs to go to jail for a long time. if this bad scar on the nfl as you want to say right now makes the rest of the world aware of what's going on, it's damn good. >> i like what he said. >> if you know the coach, there may be no question in your mind that he would have done that no matter what. i do think across the country in other cases if that had happened, the guy would be playing. this is what's changed. let's bring in the mayor of baltimore, stephanie raulings blake. really good to have you back on the show. first of all, overall, what do you make of the nfl's mad scramble to sort of get it right on this? >> i don't think that they are getting it right. they're certainly scrambling but not getting it right. it seems that they're kind of throwing things at the wall and seeing where public opinion is and then they're going to make a decision about what's right or wrong. i think it's important to remember that while all of these things are happening, there are
families that are suffering from domestic abuse. and we should be focused on education. we should be focused on getting healing for those who are impacted. and better education for the men in our community. i think there's been too much gray area on ways acceptable and what's not. we need to make it clear that it's never acceptable for a man to put his hands on a woman. we need to give those men other tools. and better coping skills. so we can have healed families. >> okay. and what are they not getting right at this point? because what we are seeing as opposed to two or three months ago is swift action when a case comes up. they've hired i believe more women to -- >> exactly, and this also started in your hometown of baltimore where you had the ravens, first, along with the nfl, not seeming to get it. but then the ownership moving fairly quickly. once they saw the information.
saw light of day. >> i think the nfl and the ravens have gotten it right. i think everyone understands, especially ray rice, what he did is wrong, and he is focused on what i think is most important which is healing and repairing his family. i think that the challenge is even with the case of ray rice, it is multiple actions, which leads to confusion. there needs to be very clear, very clear penalties. and with ray rice, he's gotten two separate -- two or three separate penalties. it seems like they're doing the same thing in other cases. we need to be clear and we need to be consistent so there can be understanding across the board. >> mayor raulings blake, i want to know what that is that needs to be done as it pertains to the nfl or the baltimore team. i know across the board we need to see more change in terms of understanding domestic violence and helping people. but what actually do you want to see the nfl still do? >> i think they got it right by
bringing in domestic violence experts. i think instead of trying to guess at what the right policy is and guess at what the right education, the right re forms, they're bringing in experts to help them develop that strategy. i think that work is yet to be seen. they have to actually now -- now that they have the right people on board, do that work. and i'm hopeful because they invested in bringing experts, they're going to be on the right track. >> all right. we have a son of baltimore, thomas roberts has a question for you. >> mayor, i wanted to ask you, because my sister is an owner of seats there from the ravens and she got a letter asking for forgiveness earlier in september after everything was vetted. they dated everything back to february when the initial accident came out with the rice couple. but they talked about what they knew, when they knew it. but the thing that caught my attention in this letter, and i just want to read it to everybody and see what your reaction is is that they vetted everything, they tried to get as much information as they could. but then once the charges
changed it said in in march, the prosecutor elevated the charge from simple assault to aggravated assault. we decided to defer action until completion of the court proceedings. we stopped seeking to view or obtain a copy of the video. we halted our fact finding. that was a mistake on our part. so once the charges got higher against ray rice, the ravens organization said we don't want to know anymore. so as the mayor of baltimore, what do you specifically want to know from your hometown team? because the letter doesn't say why they stopped. what do you want to specifically know from him, from coach harbaugh, about why they just decided to not seek more information? >> i think it's clear that coach harbaugh, the official, they didn't understand how to make this right. they never want to harm the team in a way they've believe they've
done by letting us down. i hope they take a look at everything they did and get back to the team, get to the answers of why. they haven't answered those questions yet. i know there are many people in baltimore that are looking forward to understanding. >> all right. mayor stephanie raulings blake, always good to have you on the show. thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee, senator saxby chambliss, addresses the vote on isis. why congress jetted out of town with big questions still hanging over america's military strategy. but first, on a much lighter note. yeah. a grumpy cat prepares to make the jump from the internet to the tv with the help of one of the stars of "parks and rec." that's a good tease. >> what is that? >> plus, making it cool. more from the newest spokesmodel
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we're not going to have sam read anything. >> oh, no, sam can do it. >> i have to learn how to read. >> exactly. >> by the way, your mother was awfully rough on you last night. >> we'll have more on that. an accused cop killer now on the fbi's ten most wanted list. authorities say he gunned down a police officer friday and is now on the run in northeastern pennsylvania. schools in the area are closed down. amid the massive man front. frein is also accused of shooting another officer who is listed in critical condition. >> from "the washington post," apparently taking over the internet simply isn't enough for
grumpy cat. a report about a lifetime movie starring the famous kitty whose real name is tarter sauce. he's made appearances on "american idol" and "mtv movie awards." >> a spokesperson for cher is pushing back against allegations of racial discrimination involving the singer. two backup dancers say they were fired based on their race. a third says she was let go because of her age. the lawsuit claims cher hired a white performer over another qualified candidate after complaining there were too many darked skin dancers on her tour. >> not a really good move. "the daily mail." a 2-year-old girl isn't messing around when it comes to her rendition of a song from the movie "frozen." putting on a show at her home in northern ireland when her mom begins to laugh. that's a really big mistake. the little performer lets mommy have it. ♪
>> are you going to choke yourself now? you're going to choke yourself now? >> i'm so sorry. >> you're choking yourself now. i am warning you. you are being a very bold girl. so i am going to bust you in a minute. >> your mother said you were a very difficult girl. i always go around and we have these speeches and we're talking to college campuses and rotary clubs and all these other things. and i always imitate your mother. >> yes. >> and i always joke around about how she'll go, mika, the
s.a.t.s. it ends up that your mother's actual performance was more over the top than my imitation of her. >> oh, much more over the top. she was on fire last night. she had an event at the museum in washington, d.c. showing some incredible sku incredible sculptures she's been working on the last few years and also to celebrate her book "the war of the forest" which is out right now. here's a look at what went down last night. >> there she is. >> how you doing? >> this is amazing. >> that's fantastic. >> i got to see firsthand what she has done over the past 30, 35 years. i was amazed by the talent inside of her and it really is
remarkable. >> this is a wonderful daughter. what did i get out of this show here and the book? a sense of identity of who i am. >> as you can see, my mother's the real star of the brzezinski family. >> yes. >> my mother's work represents dedication, discipline and drive. and that's the way she loved all of us. let's raise our glass, let's toast the newest spokesmodel for steel chain saws, the love of my father's life, my mom, emily brzezinski. >> that is my favorite sculpture she's ever done. that's called lament. beautiful. thanks, guys. >> you were so sweet to your mother.
she didn't return the favor, did she? you all are tough on each other. it was a moving, moving night. they did such a remarkable job putting this together. >> it was the perfect setting actually because her work is so big in scale that it's hard to find exactly the right setting. this one's perfect. >> turnout was remarkable. she has so many fans. and of course she is -- as a lot of people were talking about last night. the international acclaim that her artwork has begun to receive is really -- it's awe inspiring. your father was well behaved last night. >> he was good. >> he didn't make it about him. >> he's good. it was a wonderful night and they had a great time. coming up, wall street is getting ready for the launch of the largest u.s. ipo ever. but first, is the united states making the same mistakes in iraq as it did in vietnam? david ignatius thinks so. we'll read from his strong op-ed. and we'll also get reaction from
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that's really nice. >> yeah, that's a great track. >> with us now, the vice chairman of the select committee on intelligence, saxby chambliss of georgia. >> also with us, dr. denise natali and msnbc political correspondent kacie hunt. we'll get to some fun stuff in the world of politics. >> saxby, the question of the hour seems to be about the syrian rebel. it's gone from a fantasy to a strategy to arm the syrian rebels. you get the questions. is it the smart thing to do? >> well, you know, the problem we've got is because we are where we are, our options are really very, very limited. >> is this our best option for now? >> it's the only option very honestly. and i was a supporter of it, but i'll have to say, i'm a very cautiously optimistic supporter of it. i don't know whether it will
work or not. here's what i do know. it won't work unless we have the entire arab world buying in. >> we don't have that yet, do we? >> we don't have that. >> and turkey goes down as one of the worst allies since de gaulle was running france in the '60s. they're a terrible ally. >> you know, turkey frankly has got more to lose than any other arab country there. simply because of the transiting through turkey to other places in europe, so they need to be totally on board. the saudis, you know, they stick their toe in the water but they're not all in yet. thank goodness we have folks like the uae and the jordanians who have been our friends. they continue to be our friends. they're willing to step up. >> the uae has been a champion from the beginning. it's great. >> i want to read from david ignatius who writes this. repeating our mistakes. the united states has made the
same mistake in evaluating fighters from the islamic state that it did in vietnam. according to the director of national intelligence what we didn't do is predict the will to fight. in this case, we underestimated isil and overestimated the fighting capability of the iraqi army. dr. nat tally, what are the elements you think are being missed here? >> these are my own views and not the u.s. government. >> yes. >> one of the important things i think we're missing is how deeply embedded this is in the local population as well. and that the fact that the arena in syria is different than the arena in iraq. although there are foreign fighters as well. two-thirds of the foreign fighters, for example, are in syria. the iraqi situation is largely one also of grievances. there's a deep sunni arab local population tacit support for the islamic state as well. and there's oil revenues. a lot of this has been going on since the 1990s.
unless we have this multiprong approach of choking off the revenue sources, desunnifiing, a lot of funding of the foreign fighters may have muted effects. >> one of the questions i've not received a compelling answer to. what assurances do we have the arms and training we give to the syrian rebels won't be used to go after assad? we're banking on them taking the fight to isis on our behalf. how do we know any of these rebel groups won't just say thank you for the guns, thank you for the training, now we'll go after assad? >> we have no guarantee. there's no way you can be 100% certain that's going to happen. i would guess you're going to have to assume that some of those folks that we train will ultimately be flipped to another group. maybe isis or maybe somebody else. >> so we just send them money anyway? >> well, that's -- >> $500 million there, $500 million here? >> well, that's what i said
earlier. our options are just so limited because of where we are. >> it also depends on who we're sending the weapons too. you have the free syrian army. there's been some fuzzy moving around between nusri, perhaps isil. then you have these kurdish rebel forces which are sensitive to turkey and they have been fighting isil for the past two years. do you want weapons in the hands of those in syria who are at the same time fighting isil? a sensitive political question. >> this is breaking down -- talk about political questions at home this is breaking down not along party lines. democrats and republicans very skeptical. what's happen on the campaign trail? >> one interesting no vote was senator gillibrand who looks as though she may be trying to avoid making the mistake hillary clinton made years ago in the iraq war, a mistake she's still paying for. i think you're seeing a lot of discontent. it's a very odd alliance to have senator cruz and rand paul on the same side as many of these other democrats.
i think you're seeing a split as well -- >> why the no on ted cruz? >> in that case, i'm interested to know whether it's setting himself up for the republican presidential primary down the road. if this is going to be something that, particularly the libertarian wing of the republican party is going to argue over. does he not want to be on a different side. i think also if you look at some of the democrats that are involved in tight races. alaska you saw mark begich on the floor yesterday. he has a republican opponent who is saying we should be backing up the president. in new hampshire, scott brown hitting gene shaheen for not being tough enough. this something that scrambles the situation. >> saxby, i'm disappointed that congress didn't talk about this more, that there weren't more discussions, more hearings. that there wasn't a straight up and down vote. that it wasn't attached to one of these bigger spending bills
that kept the government open. what did the white house want? did they want congress to just vote on this as part of the bigger package and then slip out of town? what did you hear? >> the white house has been surprisingly quiet on whether they wanted a separate vote on this. they wanted some rumblings because i think there was a lot of talk about it, that they thought it would be a good idea. then when it came right down to it, all the white house had to say was, guys, we need a new -- or we need a specific vote on the arming of syrian rebels. exactly what they wanted got done. >> that would have pretexted the democrats, right, by not having the up and down -- >> exactly, that's exactly why -- >> do you think -- sorry, go ahead. >> go ahead. >> senator, there have been some reports that americans in syrian hands have been treated worse because of some of what happened
at guantanamo bay, other issues with americans and how we've dealt with detainees. you're preparing your committee is working on with the white house redactions of this report on torture. how do you think releasing that report, senator fine says she wants to do it this month, will impact what's going on now in our fight against isis? >> it's not a report on torture. it's a report on the program that was put in place after the attack of 9/11. there are some allegations that there were torturous acts committed but that's going to be in the mind of the beholder when folks have a chance to read it. i was opposed to the reporting done. i frankly don't think it serves any purpose, particularly now, when, as you've said, i think there's a real chance that the terrorist community will be a little more aggressive, react to it -- >> why's it being releasinged right now? this is -- is this not one of
the worst times to release this report? >> it seems to me like it is. >> is there ever a good time though? i mean, we have to learn from our nation's history and take the lessons and build off of that? >> what do you mean is there ever a good time? >> everyone can use this report for propaganda purposes -- >> the same now as like two or three years -- >> this is a bad time, sam. >> it's much more problematic now, but i also think you have to learn from your own history in order to not repeat the same mistakes. >> the biggest problem with this report is it's an ideologically driven report by a democratic committee. it's not down the middle. and we're not getting the other side of the report. the other side of the report that actually shows -- well, i'm going to say some things that saxby can't say because -- >> no, no -- >> the fact is, republicans
should put out a report, i think, saxby, that talks about all the things that actually have come out of the interrogations post-9/11. >> we do have a minority report that, you know, when it comes out, obviously, i encourage everybody to read. plus, you're going to have every director of the cia during this period of time under which ever president say that there was significant substantive facts that came out of the interrogation process. >> right. >> that led to the disruption, interruption of terrorist plots. that's the theaterry, the underlying theory on the other side, that no meaningful information was gleaned. that's simply wrong. >> that's not true. >> senator, we have to leave it there. doctor, thank you so much for coming in. kacie hunt, stay with us. she's clearly got more questions. >> yes. >> a jetblue flight makes an ener emergency landing after an engine blows, filling the cabin
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it's time for business before the bell now with cnbc's sara eisen. all eyes focused on one company today. >> it's alibaba. today is actually one for the history books here on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it's already exciting. there are more people i've seen here. i've been here a little less than a year and i've never seen it this busy for the debut, the public debut, of alibaba. why? because it is set to become the largest ipo in u.s. history, debuting here on the floor of the new york stock exchange.
they're set to raise $22 billion. it's the largest. the last big one like that was visa back in 2008. >> sara, can you explain to people that haven't been following this story what is alibaba, why are they so massive? >> they're so massive because they are a play on the chinese economic boom. the miracle that is china. the best way to describe it, sort of an amazon and an ebay and a pay pal and a google a little bit all in one. has a number of sites, online marketplaces, virtual shopping, sort of like ebay, but the fact is, it's bigger. just to give you some figure, here. 279 million active users. >> dear lord. >> that buy 300 billion a year in sales. that's 80% of chinese retail sales. so just ponder that. it's ginormous. you can't even -- >> that's unbelievable. that's almost as many people as go to the "morning joe" site
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passengers from a flight are shaking off an incredibly unnerving experience after their flight from texas turned back to southern california yesterday after the plane's cabin filled with smoke. >> not good. >> not a good thing. it happened to us on a flight once. not good, not fun. nbc's tom costello has the story. tom. >> yeah, good morning, joe. this happened very quickly. just as the jetblue air bus with 147 people on board was on its initial climbout on takeoff, this dramatic and terrifying midair emergency. it doesn't get much scarier than this. smoke filling an aircraft and terrified passengers grabbing for oxygen maxes. jetblue flight 1416 had just taken off from long beach, california, headed to austin, when suddenly passengers reported hearing an explosion. the number two engine on the right side was on fire. soon smoke began bleeding into the aircraft.
the pilot quickly telling controllers he was making an emergency landing. >> inflight crew, prepare to land. we'll be on the ground momentarily. >> with smoke filling the cabin and babies screaming, many passengers feared the worst. >> you can't see the person next to you and you're inhaling smoke and the oxygen masks are not deploying, you know, we all thought there was a major problem. >> but moments later, a smooth landing. >> 1416's on the ground. >> never had anything happen -- >> once on the ground with fire crews standing by, passengers used the emergency evacuation chutes and jumped to safety. this actor posted these photos. our right engine exploded and our cabin filled with smoke. the oxygen masks did not deploy but the brave stewardesses came around and manually deployed them. >> i cried for ten minutes. i wanted to talk to my kids. >> i'm not going back on a plane. i just can't. >> yeah, you can't blame her.
three people suffered minor injureie injuries. one person taken to the hospital for shortness of breath. guys, it actually happened to me. i was on a plane when an engine exploded after ingesting a turkey vulture. we landed safely in tampa. it underscores, these planes can fly on one engine, if they have to. >> nbc's tom costello, thank you. >> i'm glad it worked out. what, if anything, did we learn today? she inspires you.
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welcome back. it's time to talk about what we learned today. a very sad day for those of us in the "morning joe" community. >> we're saying good-bye to conner who has been part of our team for the last three months. we're going to miss you, buddy. you get back into the page program, you get thrown back into the pond? >> i'm still looking to do something else in news. we'll see. >> we're going to miss conner. let's hear it for conner, everybody. yes. >> he's a little bossy but he was good. >> he was bossy. >> he pushed you around a lot. >> made me sad. but, you know, everybody does, i mean -- >> he got right in your face. >> what did you learn? >> i learned the lure of the forest makes me so proud to be my mother's daughter. >> i was going to say, i learned that your mother is possibly the most talented member in the
brzezinski family. >> sam, what did you learn today? you snide, snug millennial, you. >> yeah, really. >> i learned this is a hostile set and people should stay away from it and there's mental abuse happening and someone needs to help me. >> so now you're a victim. >> i was going to say, another thing, she brandishes chain saws. >> my mom, yeah. >> just crazy. >> thank you, sam. why don't you go home, play video games, smoke pot, with your millennial -- >> if it's way too early -- >> i say that -- >> kristen welker next. >> have a great weekend, everybody. great to see you guys in person. the president praises congress. something you don't hear much lately is bipartisan backing for arming syrian rebels clears congress, but one worry is whether those rebels will actually attack isis before
good morning. it is tuesday, january 13th. >> we were going to bump in with josh, yeah. >> yeah. we'll get to that. >> do you have your dalmation jacket? >> i do have a jacket. >> where is it? >> do i look like a dalmation? >> no i don't look like a dalmation, do i? he thinks i look like one. >> no. >> put it on. >> okay. i'm a little cold. anyhow, it's january -- do i look like a dalmation? >> yes, you do. i would take that off right now. >> with us onset, mike barnicle. i'm not sure why i'm asking your fashion advice. look. very good. now he's come a long way. >> this actually is very nice. who is this? >> maggie. >> i knew it was something great. >> the best. sam is here. >> school day. >> yeah yeah. >> two-fold as mike said. >> a lot going on. >> the joke never gets old. >> it does get old. >> it's not funny anymore. >> never stops. last night i got to say, guys i mean i'm still stunned that the big ten is not the worst conference in football. i mean they have been bad for so long and i heard kirk herbstreit say this last night after the game, they have been bad for so long. they have been slow, fat, and plotting. but, man, last night, this ohio state team they were impressive as any s.e.c. team i've seen in a while. >> beat oregon alabama, and beat wisconsin 59-0 consecutive
weeks, then you're the most dominant team in the country. >> and the quarterback, man. >> he's great. what do you do next year? you have the three great quarterbacks. braxton miller. >> do you know who you play? you play the guy that beat wisconsin 59-0 beat the alabama crimson tide the best team talentwise, and then oregon. you have no other choice. >> their running back zeke elliott is incredible. there's a difference of one man. talk about urban meyer, he comes into the big ten, recruits the speed that he brought from the s.e.c. and all of a sudden ohio state and big ten, may look at michigan state, michigan maybe coming up. harbaugh. >> when do you think the pac-10 including oregon is going to start concentrating on learning how to tackle well? ohio stit was ohio state was great. oregon could not tackle anyone. >> just smaller. it could happen in a year if
urban meyer or somebody else -- >> best jewish player in football. >> i love that. >> wore a crop top, which is great. >> what this really shows, it's just college football on a smaller level but we saw this at the university of alabama. you see it a lot of times in politics. you see it in business. certainly saw it at ford when alan mullally went to ford. one man, one woman can make a difference. >> yeah. >> in an -- you can have the best -- i've seen this through the years. you can have the best organization in the world, you can have the best government in the world, best democracy in the world, you can have the best church in the world, you can have the best college football program with the best facilities in the world. but if you don't have that one strong leader that can make a difference actually bend history, it's all nor naught. again, on a much smaller level but this is an example of how one person makes a difference. >> he did it essentially
overnight. it wasn't this long process for ohio state. >> in the old regime like last year the title game would have been alabama/florida state. we never would have seen this. >> never out of the south. >> thank you, college football for implementing it. >> ohio state/michigan is going to be an event every fall. every fall. >> you guys hear about this former miami dolphins player? >> incredible. >> incredible. >> this is incredible. the guy falls off his boat. he's like fishing alone on his own boat. i think it's off miami. don't know. it's serious. i get very worried if my dad goes out in a boat alone for a lot of reasons. he fell off his boat and was in the water for 16 hours. >> almost rescued twice. >> almost rescued twice but didn't get seen. they didn't see him. he was being eaten by jellyfish, swirled around by -- this is rob konrad. and so apparently he was washed offshore. he had -- i don't know how he made it but he had a press
conference with his wife and talked about it. take a look. >> i prayed to god to send a boat or the coast guard to come get me. and, yeah i mean after some time i just said look i'm not dying tonight. and i'm going to make it to shore. the fishing boat had the lights on. he couldn't have been 50 yards from me. and i had been in the water at least ten hours at that point in time. and to have the boat come that close and not hear you or see you was just -- you had to get your mind right at that point in time. but, look i've got two -- two beautiful daughter ss. i was hitting that shore.
>> wow. >> yeah. that's -- that's incredible. so he's home. i know we were saving that for later but while we were on the topic of sports i just was so taken by that story. all right. let's get to the news. officials in paris are warning hayat boumeddiene may not be the only suspect in the paris terror attack still at large. up to six members of a terror cell are reportedly still on the loose. police officials tell the associated press that one man was seen driving the mini cooper car registered to boumediene. there's also new video showing her and a man arriving at an airport in istanbul january 2nd days before the attacks. turkey's foreign minister said she crossed into syria from turkey the day after the charlie hebdo attack. the first issue of the satirical newspaper since the attack is on the newsstand that showing the profit mohammed holding a sign saying hi, i'm charlie and the words, all is forgiven.
the former writer for the paper said the staff was determined to get back to work. >> the survivors are very very shook, for sure. the first day was very difficult for them to work to just focus. they are very few now, but because they knew that our wanted them to draw crazy, stupid guys who can kill for a cartoon, they start again to work. >> israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu visited that grocery store in paris to remember the victims and to urge world leaders to come together and fight terrorism. in just a short time ago funerals were held for the four french jews killed in the grocery store standoff. joining us now from jerusalem amman. set the scene for us there. >> good morning, mika. we're hearing right now from
french minister. she is one of the dignitaries that has been speaking a short while ago. we heard from the israeli prime minister as well as the israeli president who both addressed the crowds of mourners here. hundreds of people have gathered to pay their final respects to the four victims of that terror attack on friday in the kosher supermarket. there people here with the signs that we have seen all around the world, je suis charlie, expressing solidarity with all the mourners here but as well with the victims and the families, the families of the four arrived to israel early this morning with those bodies. they are going to be laid to rest here at the cemetery. but the message that has been coming out from israeli officials has been one particularly that of prime minister benjamin netanyahu who all of europe's jews that they have a home here and this is where the world's jewish community can feel safe. israel welcomes all world's jews with open arms.
that's been one of the issues that has been triggered as a result of this terror attack on friday, whether or not it is safe for french jews to remain in france or whether or not they should come here to israel. but it has been a very somber day. the message that has been coming out of officials here is that these individuals that were killed, they are not alone, they are part of the community here. and we've been hearing that message over and over from all the officials that have been addressing the crowd. in terms of the ceremony that we've seen, the four bodyiesyies were brought here to the cemetery, where the speeches have been taking place, it will be a lot quieter once the bodies have been taken i side the cemetery with the families where they will be buried in a private ceremony. mika? >> thank you. >> you know it's -- looking at that i'm struck by come of the coverage that i've seen since these shootings. at the beginning there were some networks including cnn, that were saying well, this wasn't focused towards jews. these weren't antisemetic
attacks. it wasn't in a jewish section of town. a bbc reporter is now calling for his resignation because he actually was interviewing a holocaust survivor mike he was interviewing a holocaust survivor and she talked about how she was fearful about growing antisemitism which is a very well documented fact during france and throughout europe. he said well, the israelis treat the palestinians badly, too. comparing the killing of 6 million jews to an on-going fight in israel. >> yeah well -- >> i mean there is antisemitism in europe and there's antisemitism in the media. >> one of the sub stories here one of the off leads in this story and has been for quite some time is the clearly increasingly rising antisemitism throughout all of europe. but specifically in france. and it's something that the french have failed to deal with or are incapable of dealing
with. i don't know what nation can deal with the threat of antisemitism. but it is growing. >> sure. i mean throughout europe there's just a very different perception of the israeli/palestinian conflict than there exists in the united states. it feeds into a lot of the antisemitism you see on that continent. it hits this home in a visceral way, obviously, but it also underscores the pretty much the fundamental reason for the founding of israel which is you have to have a refuge. >> there is a reason why israel exists. and for people in europe that don't understand why israel exists take what happened last week and multiply it about, you know 2 million times. and the holocaust in europe and antisemitism that has been in europe for centuries. and it's not going away. it is getting worse now. the fact that the bbc has a correspondent as insensitive and cold to the realities, this did
not happen 300 years ago. this happened you know 60 65 years ago. while europe sat by and did nothing, they let 6 million jews be exterminated. this is why israel exists. and people need to get a hell of a lot more sensitive to it even if they are left-leaning media members. and i cannot believe that bbc is going to allow this man to stay on the bbc. and there are some other people that need to be very careful when they're trying to characterize clearly killings that are antisemetic and try to brush that away because i guess for some reason it doesn't fit their political agenda. >> all right. the white house says admitting it was wrong. not to send a higher level official to the giant unity rally in paris. why didn't they? >> why didn't they? >> press secretary josh earnest still faces tough questions for
stating security factors were a concern on short notice. >> how do you explain that that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, he made it there. he's a huge target unfortunately. >> i'll allow the israelis to discuss that. >> dozens of leaders from countries very important. they're not america but very important. how did they make it there? >> talk with them about the security precautions they have in place. >> mandela dozens of security might be more but it comes up at short notice. unfortunately mandela dies me wanted to be there. he made it. >> the difference with president mandela is that there had been discussions that had been ongoing for frankly a number of years about the ceremony that would take place in the event of his death. >> you said the president personally wishes he would have liked to have gone. why didn't he? what was he doing on sunday? we haven't gotten an account of what the president did on sunday? >> i haven't stone to the president about what he did yesterday. >> it can't be. >> politico is reporting that administration officials were
caught off guard by the size of the sdrags and never even asked the president about attending. i saw a funny tweet, mike barnicle, that said the president was shocked and angry when he read about the newspaper that he wasn't there. i mean come on you can't blame the staff, the press in the united states. and, mika you don't why eric holder who was actually in paris didn't show up or the vice president. >> it's not possible he was in the city of paris, no. this must be wrong. it can be. >> this is what you have you have vice presidents in a glass enclosure, hey joe, you've got to go to paris. joe would of go to paris. joe would have loved to have been in paris me would have love to have been there. some suggesting willie geist, why the president didn't attend. >> before i get to that you're talking about this byron york piece. the lead of that politico piece we just referenced has white house aides watching the march and seeing the leaders arm in arm going oh, no there's germany, there's spain, there's
great britain, there's netanyahu netanyahu, there's abbas, we probably should have went. snuck up on them. >> telegraph to germany and figure out. how do you not know that the world's leaders are going to be at this event, mike? >> wait. >> the explanation in some ways made it worse. this decision made it made it to the president of the united states. hello. i mean come on. was the president not following the news? did he not know people got killed? >> but they also haven't been able to account for what he was doing. what was he doing? >> watching football i guess. >> yeah, he was watching -- >> or the golden globe gls no stop. that's not funny. >> he was watching the playoffs. >> no, he was not. >> i'm not trying to be funny. >> i'm not laughing. >> i'm not trying to be funny. it's good you're not laughing. >> the white house is always like, we don't care about the thee atatrics of the office and you guys talk about the optics and all that stuff. fine, whatever. they clearly do care enough that they admit fault. >> can you imagine being stiffed
after 9/11? everybody showing up but a french president, what we would say? >> eric holder was taping an interview for "meet the press." >> well, at least he came to nbc, right? >> wow. >> byron york writing in the washington examiner. see what you think about this. the uproar over whether president obama or another top administration official should have attended the massive unity rally in paris has obscured an important point about the white house's reaction to the late esther reporter attacks in europe. the administration no-shows were not a failure of optics or a diplomatic misstep but were instead the logical result of the president's years-long effort to downgrade the threat of terrorism and move on to other things. so when the president chose not to attend the paris march, nor to send the vice president or security of state, the problem wasn't a tin-ear sense of pr it was obama's actual attitude toward the terror threat facing not only europe but the united states. we've dealt with the big stuff, obama has declared now let's move on. it sounded good until the
bullets started flying. a lot of head shaking here. >> i don't buy that at all. >> no. >> just from a brief, brief glimpse of knowledge of what goes on around national security around the president of the united states, he is on it every single day. >> he is on what? >> he is all over this war on terror. just count the number of drone strikes. >> i wonder if there was a security issue. >> he was wrong in 2001. dead wrong in 2012. he said al qaeda was destroyed. isis was a jv team. he said they were on the run. the last remnants. it sounded -- you can go back and look at what donald rumsfeld said about iraq's opposition being in the death throws over laid on what barack obama said. we've yot gone robinson coming. he wrote a column saying that barack obama was finished and said it was everything except
the mishsion accomplished sign because we won and it's time for us to go back and live our lives. this is the fantasy that barack obama lived in perhaps for political reasons in 2011 and 2012 because of ideological reasons because he wanted to show everybody how enlightened he was. and what cavemen george w. bush and dick cheney were. and this does not fit his enlightened point of view. and so i think byron york is definitely on to something here. if you send somebody to what is now being called france' 9/11 you are admitting that everything you said about al qaeda in 2011 and everything you said about al qaeda in 2012 when you were run for president and making fun of mitt romney was wrong. the french willie will say this was the worst attack by al
qaeda since september 11th. and i wonder just how bad barack obama's quotes from 2011 and 2012 would look juks ajeks posed over this newspaper. >> some things soud stupid. >> like mission accomplished. as stupid as what george w. bush did on the carrier? >> yeah. >> the jv quote. >> i'm going to make an attempt to defend this. >> put this in the context of what mike is talking about. >> by the way, on the jv team thing he still can't -- he still can't just admit that he's wrong. he said, oh, you can put kobe bryant jersey on a jv team. no isis is not a jv team. they hacked centcom yesterday. >> which i still need to get to. >> byron is suggest that he doesn't -- he's a tin-ear to
terrorism, i just on every other show we have on here we've lamented how much the security state has expanded because of terrorism. whether it's doing these surveillance, the wiretaps, floor monitoring, the drones there are obviously policies that the president has put in place that show he's very much on top of it. i'm just sort of oh we can't have it both ways. >> if you're president of the united states -- >> sam, al qaeda's destroyed. they're on the run. >> yes, he's rhetorically misstepped. this was clearly a pr disaster. >> we're talking about -- >> he's having a total tin-ear to terrorism doesn't make sense. >> should i make defend this decision or move on to centcom? just getting a sense from -- >> you can't defend the decision. >> i'm having a hard time. i will just be honest. i know just on the outskirts of watching what it took to get the president to sweden i can't even -- there might have been some sort of what they can't dispose security.
>> hey, it's the vice president, can you go to paris? yeah, i'll go to paris. okay. >> i'm going to go on to centcom here. the twitter account for the pentagon command for u.s. forces in the middle east is back online this morning. >> good. >> after being hacked. and it's not funny. >> the jv team hacked it? >> stop. >> you don't know if it's isis. >> the youtube account was hacked without warning and they loaded isis militant videos. cybercaliphate and said, quote, i love you, isis. one tweet warned american soldiers to watch their back adding, quote, we are coming. the hackers also posted names and phone numbers of high ranking generals as well as power point slides and maps but defense department officials stressed the information was not classified and that no military secrets were compromised. this took place at roughly the same time president obama addressed the federal trade commission about cyber security. this tweet was sent out shortly after 10:00 p.m. reading, quote, we're back.
centcom temporarily suspended its twitter account after an act of cybervandalism. the youtube account was taken down. joining us now, cyber security expert and president and ceo. >> miller how does something like this happen? >> and how bad is it? >> yeah. good morning. good morning, mika. good morning, joe. the -- this is a situation of social media accounts and credentials being compromised. we all know that social media accounts are frequently shared and easily compromised. so that's the good news of this situation. i think the bad news of the situation is that, you know this is my second time in as many weeks being on the show. and while i love hanging out with joe and mika we're just seeing an onslaught of cyber crime. and every voice and every conversation has been about
protecting the networks and this is another indication that protecting nets works and systems is not enough. the only way to solve this problem is to protect or encrypt data at its core with smart encryption rendering it absolutely useless if it gets in the wrong hands. >> miller it's willie geist. i think there's some assumption in the public that centcom, the united states military the state department, have layers of security on twitter, for example, that the rest of us don't have. so how difficult would this kind of cyber attack have been on centcom? >> so let's just -- i'm really sure that central command takes a different approach to securing military operation networks and systems than they do social media networks. social media networks security is out of the hands of centcom.
that's all about twitter and youtube. >> miller newton thank you very much. later this hour we're going to speak with a former white house cyber security coordinator with both president bush and president obama. still ahead on "morning joe," nypd commissioner bill bratton will be here and then the always outspoken susie essman is back. she joins us at 8:30. if you have a question for susie and you don't mind a couple of f-bombs, tweet me at my twitter handle, @morningmika. we'll be right back.
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hospitalized actually after heavy smoke filled a washington, d.c. subway station on monday. a train was in the tunnel approaching the plaza metra station just past 3:00 when it stopped for unknown reasons. dozens were stuck inside the subway car as the tunnel filled with smoke and terrifying cellphone footage shows the scene inside as help arrived. police onboard report eddieity breathing and no visibility as they were evacuated out of the tunnel. what exactly caused the smoke is still unknown. though investigators believe it may have been caused by water hitting an electrified rail. one woman was onboard killed. 84 others sent to the hospital. three of whom are in critical condition. this is a huge story. >> the descriptions on the train are terrifying. the cars are filling with smoke. they can't open the doors. complete darkness in the tunnel. some people performing cpr, people praying. in there for half an hour 45 minutes until help was able to
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paris, hosts of msnbc's reporter nan farrow he sat down with the former writer charlie hebdo, caroline forest, who weighed in on the upcoming issue of the much anticipated magazine. >> i think they want to see no matter what we continue you can kill our colleague, you can kill our friends, you won't kill -- you won't kill the spirit of liberty, you won't kill the
spirit of blasphemy. we all insist on that. it's more than having a sense of humor. >> ronan, thank you for joining us to talk about your interview. i obviously, the entire staff has to be in a state of shock, but they've shown remarkable determination. >> that's exactly right, joe. it's remarkable what they're going through right now. they are hunkering down in new offices just around the corner from here. she told me she was looking at the new cartoons and she saw that spirit of defiance. they're shaken but they also wanlthd want to send a message to the world they won't be silenced and to the media that they should be showing these images. that's something she said repeatedly. >> let's play that right now. >> i don't sleep. i didn't eat. i just drink some water. and i try -- i would like to die
sometime. i think it's -- it's very difficult because, you know -- >> what makes you feel that that you would like to die? >> because i would like to live my life for my boyfriend. i would -- you know. he's a great man. he's a great man, you know. he's my hero. >> and so talk about how -- >> joe i should clarify, that is jeanette who is the widow of stephan, a different individual but essential to this story. i also sat down with her, the first u.s. media interview. she is of course grieving right now even as her partner's face is adorning signs everywhere in this city with such a feature of the unpress sented rally right here at the plaza de republic.
he is beloved and seen as the symbol of the free speech that the editor working on the current issue was so so committed to. so the two big themes here are the french people mourning and i think obviously the widow of the man most central to this story shows that on such a deeply personal level and this determination to move forward, joe. and her interview really speaks to that. when she heard that there were certain u.s. networks and uk networks blurring images of prophet on the new cover that won't show them nbc news has been public we don't show some of the most offensive ones she says that means it's already taken over. interesting perspective there. >> ronan, it's willie. the pulse on the street there in paris, we know there's something like 10,000 troops out protecting various site school media organizations, synagogues places like that. what's the feeling there? i know there's a lot of
resilience. we've watched it over the last couple of days. is there still fear that something else could happen? >> there is fear. people are on edge. but also there's a desire to move past some of the deep rifts in parisian society this has revealed. one of the conversations that i had was a young woman at the rally right as it was winding down who told me unusually i wasn't here. much of france it seems turned out on the streets that day but she said i didn't go because i was afraid. she was a muslim young woman. she said she felt that she was sfra separate from the mainline response from this. we have heard that from muslim communities here jewish communities here reeling from the funerals from those in their neighborhoods. she also said although she felt separate from that moment by the end of the day she came out with some trepidation and after she did she felt free in her
words. >> ronan thank you. >> it doesn't yet seem clear there are going to be results there more concrete but certainly the feeling is one of catharsis. >> ronan thank you so much. we really appreciate it. we will watch at 1:00 p.m. what's nbc -- what are we doing on this whole -- >> we don't display the cartoons as drawn in the magazine because they are deemed to be offensive. >> they depict the prophet mohammed. what do you guys think? i'm curious. what i think may surprise some people. >> in the past we've been displaying them. part of -- one of the main reasons we do not the entire reason, one of the main reasons is simply because we think it's an intricate element of the news story itself. >> it is. >> readers need to know what exactly sparked this bout of violence and we think it's in the public interest to see what type of images were responsible for this. >> what do you think mika? >> i think it is part of the story. it's really hard to get around it. having said that there are
certain cartoons that are offensive, that have vulgar tinges to them. and i don't see the need to show those to anybody. i really don't. it's not tasteful. >> it's a difficult call for editors and news directors because in order to tell the story, as an offering to ensiteful offering to readers and viewers, what are they talking about. >> to your point, this morning i think it's odd to put its story in a newspaper on a website that talks about charlie hebdo is out with the first cover and describing it with words and not showing it. >> i agree with that. >> in the day and age that we live in, you're going to find the cover. you're going -- it's just the reality. >> the question is whether your network wants to do that. and my feeling is that we could show a picture of it if we wanted to just like we could show a picture of a kruscrucifix and
the jar of urine and my question is why. if showing a cartoon offends well over a billion muslims who have -- who are not violent but who are just as offended by that as i would be offended of putting, you know having -- seeing a picture of a crucifix and a jar of urine, why i guess do it. just tell people they can find it online and we don't want to offend over a billion muslims. >> not only that joe. editorial call -- >> by the way -- >> it's not my call. i would show the picture. you are going to offend someone no matter what you do in this day and age. some people are offended by the shots of murder victims in newspapers. >> i know. it's a really really delicate ongoing conversation. >> it's a tough balance. >> my dad got really criticized for talking about being careful, being responsible when you are making cartoons and presenting things. you can't just take -- >> and, listen there are people that are going to do it. >> and the right should be there.
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dan? okay. >> maybe we will try. you know so we were talking. why don't we talk about what we do why don't we talk onset -- on air about what -- >> yeah. >> talk about romney. >> we're going to get to that. >> by the way, mitt romney exact quote a year ago when asked by the "new york times," are you going to run? his response was, oh, no no no no no no no no no no. >> that's protesting too much. >> and i think now, i think he has heard mike barnicle for a year that people want him to run and this he could win and i do think he could. i never thought he could win in 2012. >> come on. >> politics is a strange thing. there is so -- because there's so much chaos out there and republicans believe because barack obama's poor leadership on the international stage that now is the time of an adult, an eisenhower. we're not interested in buying soft drinks anymore.
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predicted. okay, i said this in 2012 how do i restructure it. >> we don't think it has. a lot of people think it has. >> with unemployment under 6 and gas prices -- >> especially on the international. >> international stage i can see. >> very frightening. with us now, chief white house correspondent from politico mike allen. let's look inside the playbook. we're going to be talking more about romney as well. politico is writing that senator elizabeth warren is claiming a bit of a victory over the white house over something that happened yesterday. what was it? >> yeah this is that rare thing in politics a genuine surprise. this is a story that politico's ben white broke yesterday. obama has nominated to be the number three person at the treasury, the undersecretary for domestic finance, antonio weiss who is an investment banker global head of investment
banking for la dzard. elizabeth warren and others on the left of the party said wait a minute that's not the person that the democrats should be nominating. we don't like his view of regulation. we don't like what we think will be his friendliness to banking. this has been one of the biggest fights on the left last year. over christmas, over the holidays, this nominee decided that he didn't want the fight. so the white house now is not renominating him in the new congress. so there's not going to be that nomination fight, but there's a twist. and that is he's still moving to washington he's still going into the administration antonio weiss now is going to be counselor to this secretary jack lew. that's a job that doesn't require confirmation. the other twist to this is that the administration may never put someone in that other job. they may not bother to nominate a number three now. it would be such a long fight. they would have so little time
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france. and i think it's fair to say we should have sent someone with a higher profile to be there. >> welcome back to "morning joe." sam stein still at the table. >> yep. >> he is. >> yeah. joining us we have the ceo and editor of the fp group which publishes foreign policy magazine david rothcoff and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. david had lunch with my dad yesterday. >> yes. >> it was a great lunch. >> really? >> well behaved. >> was he nice to you? >> extremely nice. that's the worst. >> what happened? what happened with the white house not sending anybody over to paris? >> kind of brain freeze. i don't think they really thought it through. this white house has regularly made mistakes on little things like this on the optics of things like this. remember the boweeau, they think
it's small stuff and it ends up being big stuff. >> sounds like amateur hour. >> it is. >> white house apologized publicly yesterday. but if you talk to them privately they will say you guys are obsessed with feeder. it doesn't matter. we're in touch with them behind the scenes. the french government has our full support. it knows that. do you think it matter the fear that they are so offended that we obsess about it? >> i don't think this is a really serious issue. this is optical. it was probably a good step forward for them to actually apologize. but there are bigger issues here. this is a kind of a tipping point moment. right after 9/11 there was a moment where we could get everybody together on our side to deal with terrorism. now all of a sudden you're galvanized again. you've got a chance to bring allies together and start doing something. >> i think that's more than optics though. i think that was a message that was missed. look at these pictures david.
>> do you think they're going to risk losing this opportunity because they -- i agree. i think it's a matter they obviously think it matters because they apologized which is rare for this white house. i don't see how this will then cascade into something -- >> i'm saying the moment. it's terchlting to get caught up in the twitter storm over something like this. it's not that important. what's important is that there is a moment like this and it needs to be seized. >> sure. here with us now from washington, deputy spokesperson for the state department marie. i'm sure you've been listening in. what's the point of view from the state department looking back at the next past few days and some of the missed opportunities? >> well, mika look we've been clear that someone more senior should have gone and john kerry would have been there if there was anyway he could have been. he was in india for an economic summit and he's going thursday as you all know. i think there were other symbolic moments last week though. you saw john kerry speak in french directly to the french people on the day of the attack. you saw the president and the secretary both go to the french embassy to sign the condolence
book. i agree with some of your other guests here, this hasn't really been a story in france. it doesn't mean it wasn't important but what we're focused on is how we work together to fight this threat. and one march certainly doesn't define that. i agree it was an important moment and we should have sent someone more high level. >> marie, first of all, i believe congratulations for your ohio state buckeyes is in order. >> yes, it was a very late night. but thank you. what a great season. i still sort of can't believe it. >> clearly. so let's talk about seizing the moment. what are the next steps that state has to do to make sure that this horrific event in paris turns into some sort of tangible cooperative action to root out this type of terrorism, prevent it from happening again. can you give us specifics in terms of conversations you're having, what actions you're taking? >> it didn't just start with this attack in paris. we've been having conversations throughout the summer that we've talked about a lot on this show and elsewhere about how to fight isil. the secretary will go to paris on thursday. we're hosting this counter and
violent extremism summit in washington to bring together our partners and allies. i would remind people the sack tear is in pakistan today talking with them about how to fight terrorism. it's how to root out possible foreign fighters in europe or possibly coming back here. but it's broader -- a much broader conversation than just the one we're having about europe certainly. i think that's worth focusing on, too. >> thank you very much. and as we continue this conversation, officials in paris are warning hayat boumeddiene may not be the only suspect in the paris terror attack still at large. up to six members of a terror cell are reportedly still on the loose. there's also new video that shows the female suspect and a man arriving at the airport in istanbul on january 2nd, just days after the attacks. turkey's foreign minister says she crossed into syria from turkey the day after the charlie hebdo attack. the first issue of the satirical newspaper since the attack is now on newsstands. it shows the prophet mohammed
holding a sign that says i am charlie, and the words in french, all is forgiven. >> david, so obviously still concerns about a cell a terror cell with other members. >> looks like there is a terrorist cell there. i think this is what we have to be worried about. we have to be worried that terrorists are finally coming to realize in the first place that the small attacks, remember we were here talking about sydney. there was a guy with a rifle and ipad and he took over the world media for a couple of days. and small attacks that are super low-tech have a big terror impact. and you saw it in ottawa, you saw it in sydney you've seen it in paris. and if they are now sending -- one estimate has them sending 1,000 people a month into syria and these people get trained and radicalized and they come back you could see a lot of this and it will chip away at public confidence, it will chip away at people's sense of security. it could really produce a kind
of affect that we haven't seen thins 9/11 and it might actually get worse if it happens on a regular basis. >> gene robinson let's say the attack in australia, this was actually launched by al qaeda who took credit for it and you actually had the two brothers tracing it become and talking about how this -- this was chbt just a lone wolf situation. this is organized terror. >> this certainly does seem to be organized. there's evidence that one or more of these guys may have actually been in the middle east gone to train with al qaeda or potentially with other terrorist groups. you know this is an actual cell and they're trying to round up the other members of the cell. i think the big question for u.s. policy going forward is number one do we have such things in our country and, number two, how do you translate
this amazing picture of unity that you saw and common purpose that you saw at the march, which by the way we definitely should have been at, at a higher level, but how do you translate that into concrete action that makes a difference? and, you know, that's going to take some work. that's the hard work. >> is it evident now that the president and others have said that the battle against al qaeda was over and that isis was a jv team, bit like george w. bush's mission accomplished moment? >> well, you know jv compared to what? i mean you know we're not talking about osama bin laden's al qaeda. we're not -- or we may or may not be talking about isis in this case. we may be talking about al qaeda in yemen. it kind of doesn't matter. the threat has morphed. it doesn't always take the exact same form. clearly al qaeda in yemen is trying its best to attack western targets.
isis, if it's not right now focused on that focused on its own little territory, certainly will turn to that. >> but al qaeda is not in its death throes obviously. it's not as weak as the president said in 2011 or 2012. >> it's not clearly because al qaeda in yemen is an offshoot. classic al qaeda, from afghanistan, the al qaeda that attacked us on 9/11 is for all intents and purposes atomized. but there are these offshoots groups and successor groups that clearly are not jv. they clearly are not in their last throes and, in fact given isis' success are obviously are inspiring this sort of terrorism around the world. >> while we're on the topic, the twitter account for the pentagon command for u.s. forces in the middle east is back online this morning after being hacked. the youtube account was also hacked without warning.
and the hackers uploaded isis militant videos. and on twitter the page was retitled cybercaliphate and said, quote, i love you, isis. one tweet warned american soldiers to watch their back adding, quote, we are coming. the hackers also posted names, phone numbers of high-tanking generals as well as power point slides and maps. defense department officials stressed the information was not classified and that no military secrets were compromised. this took place at roughly the same time that president obama was addressing the federal trade commission about cyber security. this tweet was sent out shortly after 10:00 p.m. reading, quote, we're back. centcom temporarily suspended its twitter account after an act of cybervandalism. the youtube account was taken down. here with us now from milwaukee, former white house cyber security coordinator under president bush and obama, known as cyber czar howard schmidt. good to have your shot up and to have you onboard here. how serious is this attack?
can you really characterize it as cybervandalism? >> yeah i think for the most part you can identify it as such because that's what it was. it was something that was tantamount to doing graffiti on a wall. they pushed out stuff that shouldn't have been out there. and then you know they turned around and shut down. the interesting part though is how did they get those user id and passwords, how did they getting a cess to both youtube and twitter accounts. >> what questions does that bring to mind given your background? >> yeah, i think the first thing had i been in my old seat was like, how many people have user id and password. normally on the communication side you have sometimes three, four, five people that have access to that user id and password to update things remotely. the second thing is those that might have had access what were they doing on their personal accounts. was their personal account going out to a site that installed
malware that captures your id and password. other piece of this were they using a common password? that's one of the things that we see with the hackers all the time. they go in there and they guess. user ids are pretty common. just guess password and you're into the account and you can upload whatever you want. interesting, this is almost a repeat of the 1996-1997 when they hit the army they hit janet reno's website. we placed her picture with a picture of adolph hitler. this is not uncommon. >> david we say there was no classified information released but that provides little comfort to generals whose addresses were published and have their wives and children threatened. that information is out there. you seriously are you taking what happened yesterday? >> i take it seriously for the reason we were talking about earlier. this is the drip drip drip of small attacks that eat away at our security that eat away at our sense of confidence in our system. it doesn't have to be a big
deal. people say, oh my god, that's centcom. that's the military. they're hackable. what's going to happen next? they attack this little place. what's going to happen next? to go back to your point, joe. the reality is we can debate paris and who should be there and who should not if we want to but it's optics. the reality is that we've been fighting a war on terror for 13 years and we're losing. according to the state department there were more attacks last year than ever before more terror group, more terrorist, and we're seeing a change in tactics that is going to make people increasingly unconfident. >> intel is -- since we scattered al qaeda in afghanistan and the wind back ten years ago they've known this was going to happen. we've been hearing that al qaeda in yemen, hearing about al qaeda across the world. it's not like this has caught anybody by surprise. >> and then there's isis and boca haram who killed 2,000 people this week in an attack that just got totally stepped on by this whole thing. it is getting worse and worse.
this issue is extremism. it's not going to be be solved by white house conference on extremism. hopefully more countries will address this more seriously. right now we have to say we are not where the president said we were we are not winning, we are losing on this particular front. we need to change our tactic or it's going to get worse. >> howard schmidt, thank you for coming on the show this morning. other news now. mitt romney is in the middle of a pretty stunning turn around from insist that he is not running for president to launching what one republican calls an almost certain run for the white house. new reporting in the "washington post" says the former governor's personally calming up former supporter, fund-raisers and staff members to jump-start his political team. among them current and former members of congress. top business executives and influential advisers in new hampshire and iowa. also getting a call romney's 2012 running mate congressman paul ryan who told nbc news he will not seek the presidency in
2016. ryan said he came to his decision well before romney's renewed interest but added, quote, it's no secret i always thought mitt would make a great president. romney said his wife ann is very encouraging of a third presidential bid an his potential campaign would run to the right of jeb bush. >> political reporter of the "washington post" whose arl shed new light on romney's game plan. tell us about the game plan. >> romney made his announcement to donors on friday and that was not a trial balloon. he spent saturday sunday monday calling up former advisers donor, big people in the party. he signed up two key operatives in new hampshire. this is real. >> so the belief was for people around mitt romney for some time that if jeb bush jumped into the race that mitt romney would not jump into the race. what changed? >> romney saw his donors going away he thought his donors would stick with him and wait a
few months to see how jeb played out but he saw jeb picking up a lot of speed in the donor community and he felt he needed to get in and send a clear signal. >> bob when did mitt romney start getting serious about running again? i mean, certainly he has been for the past six months or so but was there a triggering event? >> i believe it started with the mitt documentary that aired on netflix. he believed his public persona has changed. he believes on foreign policy and domestic policy. he's been proven right. >> have you noticed the undertone of just a little bit of tension between mitt romney and jeb bush? >> sure. >> if famthe families are always been close but jeb has questioned mitt romney's political skills and mitt romney returned the favor this past week. >> two major political families. george romney and mitt romney and house of bush and they are colliding potentially in this 2016 republican primary and they occupy the same space in a lot
of ways but they do have different regional center different political strengths and they look like they may become a true battle. >> david? >> the stars have aligned a little bit for mitt romney. on one hand they've got jeb bush running which allows him to get away from what he was accused of, of not being the conservative. jeb bush looks a little bit to his left. on the other hand, he's got this opportunity to run this i told you so campaign. you know i told you that russia was a threat. it turned out to be a threat. i told you we got out of iraq too quickly. it turned out we got out of iraq too quickly. some of the vulnerabilities that he had four years ago he doesn't have again. >> the possible counter if the democratic front-runner emerges as hillary clinton, i think that's a different dieynamicdynamic. >> i talked to a major republican donor who sort of echo'd this about jeb which is they think that jeb has vulnerabilities in new hampshire on immigration specifically and that romney can make a move there. >> certainly. iowa as well. >> which works well with the republican party. as we saw in 2012 may not be the
best position taken in general. it's ironic that mitt romney who made his reputation up until recently as this great businessman turn around economic thinking, republican will have his best opening against obama should he get there on foreign policy. all the domestic stuff he warned about, you can quibble with but it hasn't turned out as bad as he said. the foreign policy provides him the opening. it might have his strong suit. i'm not sure. >> another thing that might happen is we're in this sugar rush for the next year because of low oil prices. if the oil prices tick up as we go into 2016 the economic story may not be so positive either because the economy is due or an correction. we've been in a recovery for a long time. >> bob, if you go back to some of the general election numbers when you look at how mitt romney lost the president obama among latinos, women, young voters those margins were huge and numbers were devastateing. why does mitt romney, people who support him in the republican party, think that dynamic can change this time around? >> he's a party heavyweight. that's really the factor right
now. but you bring up a good point. how does mitt romney expand the electorate. talking to his adviser last night i really got the sense that he knows he needs to change his message. he's talking about pov vererty to donors. >> gene robinson have you been swept up by the excitement of romney three? >> i can't wait. are you kidding? for a columnist, this is gravy, right? we've already written the jokes. they're out there. we know about the dog on the roof of a car. we know about the automotive elevator. so, you noerks just dust those things off and you're done with the column before lunch. you know the reason though, i think mitt romney thinks he might win this time is that he doesn't have to run against barack obama who brought out, you know -- >> right. >> we talk about president obama as if he is not a world class hall of fame politician who brought out new voters, who
enlarged the democratic coalition and brought it to the polls in record numbers and he did that twice. well, you know who is going to be the nominee this time if it's hillary clinton, can she replicate that and if she cannot replicate that, then, you know, who knows. mitt romney might have a good shot. >> democrats think that they're going to have the same turnout in 2016 as they had in 2008 and 2012 are kidding themselves. barack obama is a once -- >> gene webb. >> i like gene webb. >> barack obama and the democrats. >> once in a generation phenomenon. >> yeah. >> like ronald reagan was in '80 and '84. >> still should be the first woman president, if she captures that. >> no one match's myth's. i'm just saying. "the washington post" robert costa and eugene robinson thank you both. david, thank you as well. great to see you.
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nypd officers this morning on high alert and being urge to be more vigilant than ever. it comes as a recent video from islamic state militants call for attacks on police officers. joining us now, new york city police commissioner bill bratton. good to have you back. >> what's the level of the threat? >> the high alert we're talking about, we're always on high alert. number one terrorist target in the world. in light of what just happened in paris, some of the additional threats comingous of the isis we have ramped up the level of attention to the issue, advising our officers to be more vigilant encouraging that they get out of the vehicles when they are assigned to some of these fixed costs guarding the general counsel offices or media
outlets. raising everybody's attention. >> the soft targets, you're worried obviously about some of the diplomatic posts, worried about police officers as well, correct? >> that's correct. new york, as you know because of the u.n. we have unlimited number of buildings that we have to be concerned with. some of the threats directed against the media, so we're coming in with a lot of media locations in the city that we're not -- >> what about jewish targets? in paris that's a major concern. >> that's something we always pay a great deal of attention to here. i have two meetings this morning with various jewish groups that we stay in touch with who are doing the same thing with outreach to some of the muslim leadership that we deal with. >> how does this work given all the challenges that the nypd is facing right now, given recent events locally -- >> busy. >> my specific question is about the data of that some would say indicates a work slowdown and
morale within the ranks. >> well, the good news is that the cops in spite of the situation, morale are, in fact still out there. that we released crime numbers yesterday that crime is down throughout the city for the first 12 days of the year. subways, housing developments. morale is something that goes up and down. we're coming out of the slowdown. that's the good news getting back to more normal levels of activity. particularly at this point in time when we do have the heightened concerns around the issue of terrorism. >> one of the aspects is human intel. people on the ground talking to intelligence operatives from whatever agency. the new york police department has had one, if not the best intelligence unit of any metropolitan police department perhaps in the world. what's the status of the intelligence with the nypd now? how big is it? john miller is very effective, works under you.
runs the intelligence unit. tell us about. >> ray kelly after even in built this phenomenal operation that when we came in a year ago that we inherited. we've expanded upon it in terms of strengthening relationships with the various partners we collaborate with, fbi. john miller is counter terrorism deputy commissioner. he comes from a dni background fbi background, so he brings a lot of strengths into the operation. we have over 1,000 officers in the counter terrorism area which work exclusively on these issues issues. they're assisted by our 5,000 detectives we can assign to help them out on different occasions. unlike a lot of cities we have 24-hour-a day s.w.a.t. time sources moving through the city all the time. they're not a call-up. they're already out there. there's no city in the world better prepared to event and if we were to have an event, to respond. >> willie? >> go. >> how often do you hear from
the intel unit do you hear daily chatter, weekly? >> it's -- if you could see my blackberry you will see how frequently. briefings every morning from mr. miller. he used to help prepare the briefing book for the president of the united states so i get a book every morning that's modeled after that with all the events around the world that summarized in the document i get every morning, as soon as i get into my car. and at the same time you are getting constant updates, no matter where you are in the world on the blackberries. >> commissioner, in this city for a long time after 9/11 the fear is that it could happen again. plane into building shs, big events that takes years of coordination. now over the last couple of years, particularly the last week or so attacks on small groups, on soft targets. as you go on the streets as you do, they say, what is stopping a guy from walking into a subway station and doing something like that or walking into central park or a mall somewhere else in the country. i know you can't give 100% insurance.
there are too many soft targets. how do you assure people who live in this country that you're protecting them and particularly in this city? >> the idea that we pay so much attention to it that we have fortunately the size of our department resources that other cities in this country are not able to apply to it. which is appropriate because we are that number one target. you cannot protect everything but by having a robust intelligence operation, it allows you to detect and prevent and over these last 13 years with the exception of the hatchet attack on our offices a couple of months ago by the lone wolf inspired by isis propaganda, the city has not had an event since 9/11 that was successful. we continue to work hard to keep that track record going forward. >> in closing, mr. commissioner what are the prospects of mayor de blasio and rank in file police officers coming together? how is that progressing in. >> it's going to take time. everybody is talking. there's a lot going on behind
the scenes. there have been a couple of public meetings that we've held. the problem with the public meetings, people expect you snap your fingers, it's all over. it doesn't work that way. it's a building relationship process. a lot of behind the scenes. spend a lot of times on the phones and meetings with union leaders, his people are doing the same. >> you feel like progress is being made? >> oh, i think so. definitely. >> obviously police officers are frustrated by mayor de blasio. i'm reading reports he and his people are also frustrated, feeling like they are taking steps in the right direction and not getting credit for it. >> there are a lot of frustrations, a lot of different things in the stew at the moment. i'm comfortable that we're moving forward. we're seeing the cops getting back to more active work this week. getting back to much more normal levels of policing. good news though that the public is always concerned with is that crime continues to go down. last year was a record low year. this year lower than last year. >> commissioner bill bratton, thank you. >> thank you commissioner.
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president? >> well, very frankly, we have on the floor this week as you know, the funding of the department of homeland security which is designed to keep our country and our people safe. you would think that's an area and i hope it's going to be an area where we can come together and act in a bipartisan american fashion, not a partisan fashion, to fund our security agency. >> so what's the problem with that? >> well, right now republicans appear to be offering amendments which deal with the immigration issue, not the funding of the department of homeland security. if we continue to do that not just americans but the world is going to see us as not united to face a threat to all of us not to any one party or one segment of our society. >> are the amendments just specific to the immigration issue or do they go beyond that other areas of national security? >> essentially all of them are related to the immigration issue, all five amendments that
have been offered. we are whipping against two of the amendments which we think will preclude the president from signing a bill. the underlying bill joe, as you know has almost unanimous agreement. there is no difference of opinion on this. reported out of committee, went to senate. there wasn't a conference report but there was a general agreement between senate and house, democrats and republicans, and the funding levels and how those funds would be distributed. so it's really sad that we are unable to say, look we have an agreement, let's adopt that and then op those items in which we disagree let's argue. >> sam? >> congressman, at this juncture, would you predict that we will see the department of homeland security shut down in february? >> no. >> no? >> okay. precludes my second question. >> there you go. you are done sam. >> mike? >> congressman, given this fever in the country for something to get done many congress both parties to work together what's your sense of the degree of
difficulty that speaker boehner has in controlling elements of his party that seem not to want to go along with anything? >> you know, i think the real answer is there are obviously a number of members in his caucus many of whom voted against him in election for speaker, that want to have confrontation, don't want to cooperate, don't want to seek consensus. but that's not positive for the country. the american people sent us all here, all 435 of us here to make their country better and to work together. and we ought to do that. i think what speaker boehner needs to do is say, look to those of you who want confrontation, i'm not with you. and, in fact i can forge bipartisan majorities to pass legislation i think is good for the country. will there be a necessity for compromise on both sides? of course there will be. but i think we can forge a majority working together. i'm certainly prepared to do that. speaker boehner and i, he has my respect and we have an
opportunity and ability to work together and i hope we'll do so. >> a lot of americans, congressman, it willie geist hope you will too. you're aware of the cynicism in the country and a lot of people have tuned out washington dismiss it all together assuming it can't get anything done. >> i agree with you. i agree with you on that. and, of course in order to put that cynicism aside, the congress is going to have to perform. it's going to be sort of -- we don't trust you but if you verify that you can work together we're going the feel a lot better about you. that's what we ought to do. >> you believe that will happen in the last two years of the president's administration? >> i'm going to work towards that effort. i frankly think at the white house today the president is going to talk about his willingness to work together to accomplish that objective. >> congressman, steny hoyer, thank you so much. look forward to hearing more about the meeting later today. >> thank you. the terrifying chaotic scene in washington after a metro
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the second quarter. oregon closes the gap by the third. cutting the buckeye lead to a single point. 21-20 right there. that's all they could muster because from there it was all buckeyes. >> he's got it again. elliott! touchdown, ohio state! first and goal. elliott again barrels in. elliott dots the i of this national championship win. the ohio state buckeyes are the first national champions of the playoff era. >> besides zeke elliott running in he had four touchdowns. the kid is a sophomore, a star. that's jones, the third string ohio state quarterback who beat wisconsin wisconsin, alabama, oregon in consecutive weeks to lead the buckeyes to the national championship game. ezekiel elliott ran for four touchdowns. 42-21. back to new york now after the game empire state building
turns full scarlet and gray in honor of the national champion ohio state buckeyes in columbus celebration on campus. a little out of hand on the bonfire here. police called in. pepper spray. some tear gas. dispersing the crowd. nothing too serious. >> you know, willie there's always a debate and has been a debate in football over the past 20 years about speed versus size. speed kills, as john madden loved to say. but this shows size still counts. they were just -- ohio state was just bigger than oregon and they just pushed them around and ran over them. >> speed is good. size is good. speed and size is best. that's what ohio state has. under urban meyer, we said it. he flipped this thing so quickly. they were undefeated. now they had this one-loss season this year and national championship. it shows the power of one coach. it's his coaching style but also recruiting and convincing fast kids who maybe would have gone to florida or to alabama or usc to come to columbus ohio and play. and now the big ten is fascinating.
you have the national -- they will be the preseason number one. jim harbaugh going to michigan. michigan state is great. >> must see tv. >> wisconsin is good. it's going to be a great game. and they're sfunfun to watch. it's not the old three yards and the cloud of dust. ohio state is great. all right. up next b, one person died. over 80 people taken to the hospital after smoke poured into a train tunnel and trapped passengers for nearly an hour. tom costello has the latest details for us, next.
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tom costello has story. >> please stay calm. >> reporter: panic on the subway, a train conductor urging passengers in a smoke-filled subway car to stay calm, but r for hundreds of passengers that was impossible choke on smoke so thick they could barely see. it happened just as the evening rush hour was getting underway. a virginia-bound subway car stuck on the tracks. >> no electricity or nothing. >> reporter: so much smoke in the tunnel passengers stays inside their cars struggling to breathe. by the time firefighters arrived, some passengers were unconscious. others having seizures. >> i could taste blood in my lungs. >> a woman was in distress in that train. i'm sorry to say she's passed
away. >> reporter: the root cause remains unclear, but the ntsb has narrowed the source of the smoke smoke. . >> there was an electrical event involving the third rail. the train did not derail. there was no fire on the train. >> so we will be following this. now they are looking atinto other reasons in terms of what happened. the morning rush hour is chaotic in new york this morning after a suspicious fire at one of the city's largest transit hubs. more than 150 firefighters raced to penn station to battle a three-alarm fire. it broke out at a construction site. penn station is home to the long island railroad and several subway lines. there is significant structural damage at this hour trains are running but commuters are being warn ed warned of delays. some nearby streets also remain closed. . up next, the snub heard round the world.
press secretary josh ernest apologizing for not sending a higher power representative to paris. was it part of a larger strategy by the obama administration. plus a former miami dolphins player telling his epic swim for survival after being thrown from his boat. . we're back in just a moment with that. you just got a big bump in miles. so this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. sound good? great. because you're not you you're a whole airline... and it's not a ticket you're upgrading
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some have asked whether the united states should have sent someone with a higher profile than the ambassador to france and i think it's fair to say we should have sent someone with a higher profail to be there. >> welcome back to "morning joe." 5:00 a.m. on the west coast, back with us onset we have mike barnicle and sam stein. >> i have to say last night, i'm still stunned that the big ten is not the worst conference in football. i mean they have been bad for so long.
i heard kirk herbstreit say they had been bad for so long. they have been slow, fat and plodding. but last night this ohio state team they were impressive as any s.e.c. team i have seen in awhile. >> to beat oregon, alabama and wisconsin 59-0 three consecutive weeks, you're the most dominant team in the country. what do you do next year? you have three great quarterbacks. two-time big ten player of the year. >> you play the guy that beat wisconsin 59-0. >> you may have to. >> you have to other choice. >> and their running back is incredible. he came out of nowhere. >> did you hear about this former miami dolphins player? >> incredible. >> this is incredible. the guy falls off his boat. he's like fishing alone on his own boat i think it's off
miami. i get worried if my dad goes out in the boat all alone. he fell off his boat and was in the water for 16 hours. >> almost rescued twice. >> but didn't get seen. they didn't see him. he was being eaten by jelly fish this is rob conrad. apparently he was washed up shore. i don't know how he made it. he had a press conference with his wife and talked about it take a look. >> i prayed to god to send a boat or the coast guard to come get me. . i mean after some time i just said look i'm not dying tonight. and i'm going to make it to shore. the fishing boat had lights on and couldn't have been 50 yards from me. i had been in the water at least ten hours at that point in time.
and to have the boat come that close and not hear you or see you was just -- you had to get your mind right at that point in time. i've got two beautiful daughters daughters. i was hitting that shore. >> that's incredible. so he's home. i know we were saving that for later, but while we were on the topic of sports, i was so taken by that story. officials in paris are warning these might not be the only suspects still at large. six members of a terror cell are still on the loose. police officials tell the associated press that one man was seen driving the mini cooper car registered.
there's new video showing her and a man arriving at the airport in istanbul on january 2nd, just days before the attacks. turkey's foreign minister says she crossed into the day after the charlie hebdo attack. the sign says i am charlie, and the words "all is forgiven." a former writer says the staff was determined to get back to work. >> they are very in shock, for sure. the first day was very difficult for them to work, to just focus. they are very few now, but because they know that -- those stupid guys who can kill for a cartoon. they start again to work. >> israeli prime minister
visited to remember the victims and to urge world leaders to come together and fight terrorism. just a short time ago, funerals were held for the four french jews killed in the grocery store standoff. joining us from re jerusalem. >> we're hearing from french minister. she is one of the dignitaries that has been speaking. we heard from the israeli prime minister and the israeli president who addressed the crowds of mourners. hundreds of people have gathered to pay their final respects to the victims of the terror attack on friday in the supermarket. there have been people here with the signs that we have seen around the world. i am charlie, expressing solidarity with all the mourners, but with the victims and the families.
they arrived early this morning with the bodies. they are going to be laid to rest here at the cemetery. but the message that has been coming out from israeli officials has been one particularly that of the prime minister to all of europe's jews is they have a home here. this is where the world's jewish community can feel safe. he said israel welcomes all of the world's jews with its open arms, and that's been one of the issues that's been triggered as a result of this r terror attack on friday whether or not it is safe for french jews to remain in france or whether or not they should come here to israel. it has been a somber day. the message coming out of officials here is that these individuals that were killed they are not alone, they are part of the community here. we have been hearing that message over and over from all the officials that have been addressing the crowd. in terms of the ceremony, the four bodies were brought here. that's where the speeches have been taking place. it will be a lot quieter once the bodies are taken inside the
cemetery with the families where they will be buried in a private ceremony. >> thank you. >> looking at that i'm struck by some of the covers i have seen since these shootings. at the beginning there were some including cnn that was saying this wasn't focused towards jews. these weren't anti-semitics attacks. you had a bbc reporter having people call for his resignation because he was interviewing a holocaust survivor. he was interviewing a holocaust is survivor and she talked about how she was fearful about growing antisemitism which is very well documented fact throughout france and europe. he said well israelis treat the palestinians bad too. trying to compare the holocaust to the killing of 6 million jews to an ongoing fight many israel.
there is antisemitism in europe and in the media. . >> one of the off leads of this story, and has been for quite some time, is the increasingly rising antisemitism in europe and france. i don't know what nation can deal with the threat but it is growing. >> throughout europe there's a very different perception of the israeli-palestinian conflict than exists in the united states. it feeds into that content. and this hits it home but it underscores the fundamental reason, which is you have to have a refuge. >> there's a reason why israel exists. for people in europe that don't understand why israel exists
take what happened last week and multiply it 2 million times. and the holocaust in europe and the antisemitism that has been in europe for centuries. it's not going away. the fact that the bbc has someone insensitive to the realities, this did not happen 300 years ago. they let 6 million jews be exterminated. this is why israel exists. and people need to get a hell of a lot more sensitive to it, even if they are left-leaning media members. i cannot believe the bbc is going to allow this man to stay on the bbc. there's other people that need to be very careful when they are
trying to characterize clearly killings that are anti-semitic and try to brush that away. i guess, for some reason it doesn't for their political agenda. the white house is admitting it was wrong not to send a higher level official to the giant unity rally in paris. why didn't they? press secretary josh ernest faced tough questions for a concern on short notice. >> how do you explain that? the israeli prime minister, he made it there. he's a huge target. >> i will allow the israelis to discuss what security precautions had in place. >> dozens of leaders from countries that are very important. how did they make it? >> you should talk to them about the precautions they have in place. >> there were dozens of leaders. the american security might be more, but it comes up in short notice. and you wanted to be there, you
made it. how did that come together? >> the difference with president mandela is there have been discussions for a number of years about the ceremony that would take place in the event of his daetd. >> you said the president would have liked to have gone. why didn't he? we haven't gotten an account. >> i haven't spoken to the president about what he did yesterday. >> politico is reporting that officials were caught off guard by the size of the demonstration and never even asked the president about attending. i saw a tweet that said that the president was shocked and angry when he read about it that he wasn't there. come on you can't blame the president of the united states. you don't understand why eric holder who was actually in paris, didn't show up. or the vice president. >> it's just not possible he was in the city of paris. >> vice presidents are created for this. this is why you have vice presidents in a glass enclosure. joe, you got to go to paris.
joe would got to paris. he would have loved to go to paris. some are suggest inging a different reason. why the president didn't attend. >> why? >> before i get to that, you're talking about this new york piece. the lead of the politico piece has white house aids watching the march and seeing the leaders arm in arm and going, uh-oh, there's germany, spain great britain, we should have probably been there. it snuck up on them. >> did they not telegraph to germany and figure out? how do you not know that the world's leaders are going to be at this event. >> the explanation, in some ways, made it even worse. the fact that -- it never made it to the president of the united states. hello, come on. >> was the president not following the news? did he not know people got killed? >> they haven't been able to account for what he was doing. >> he was watching football like
us. >> guys. >> stop. >> he was watching the playoffs. >> i'm not trying to be funny. >> i'm not laughing. >> i'm not trying to be funny. >> it's like we don't care about the theatrics of the office. fine, whatever, but they clearly do care that they have to ed aadmit fault. >> can you imagine being stiffed after 9/11? everybody showing up but a french president what we would say. >> eric holder was taping an interview for "meet the press." >> he came to nbc, right? >> here's what you were talking about. byron york writing in the washington examiner. the uproar whether president obama or another official should have attended the unity rally in paris has obscure edd an important point about the white house's res action to the attacks. the no-shows were not a failure of optics or a diplomatic misstep, but were the logical result of the president's
year's-long effort to downgrade the threat of terrorism and to move on to other things. so when the president chose not to attend the paris march nor to send the vice president or secretary of state, the problem wasn't a tin ear sent to pr . it was obama's attitude towards the terror threat facing not only europe but the united states. we have dealt with the big stuff. now let's move on. it sounded good until the bullets started flying. a lot of heads shaking. >> i don't buy that at all. just from a brief glimpse of knowledge into what goes on around national security around this president of the united states, he is on it every single day. >> he is on what? >> he is all over this war on terror. count the number of drone strikes. >> he was dead wrong in 2011. he was dead wrong in 2012. he said al qaeda was destroyed. he sadistid isis was a jv team. it sounded -- you can go back
and look at what donald rumsfeld said about iraq's opposition being in the death throws. overlaid on what barack obama said this is the fantasy that barack obama lived in perhaps for political reasons in 2011 and 2012 because of ideological reasons because he wanted to show everybody how enlightened he was. and what cavemen george bush and dick cheney were. this does not fit his enlightened point of view. so i think byron york is definitely on to something here. if you send somebody to what is being called france's 9/11 you are admit ingting that everything you said about al qaeda in 2011 and everything you said about al qaeda in 2012 when you were running for president and making
fun of mitt romney was wrong. the french really will say this was the worst attack by al qaeda since september 11th. and i wonder just how bad barack obama's quotes from 2011 and 2012 would look juxtaposed over this news story in french newspapers right now. he was dead wrong. still ahead on "morning joe," zeus si esman joins us. she likes you. when we did an interview in bed together, she was talking about you. i'm just saying. shel help us critique lewis's red carpet style. he's going to show us more. he can't wait to show more of himself on the red carpet. >> i can only imagine. >> he did the golden globes
package. they have him twirling around. he's in front of the hollywood sign. george clooney walks past, he goes, hey, george, you're looking really good tonight. he turns and looks at him like what? >> so we're going to ask if you should fist bump the most famous actor on earth. >> and selma hayek, he said the same to her. >> he's bringing more to the table. if you have a question for mika, you won't have a question for lewis, but susie, tweet it right now. here's bill karins with the forecast. >> thanks, joe and mooeika. we're watching a january thaw developing across the country. first we have one more winter blast over the next two days and then your reward comes towards the weekend. the problem tomorrow morning at this time is in the carolinas. haven't had a lot of icy weather
down there, so be prepared. we're going to e see a little mini ice storm for areas outside of wilmington charlotte, all of the triangle region as far north as norfolk. that's tonight into tomorrow morning. here's the cold. it's been two straight weeks of negative windchills for minneapolis. look at you this morning. negative 24, ouch. that cold air is spreading to indianapolis pittsburgh and arrive arriving in the northeast. so mid-winter weather pattern. this is how it looks across the country. by the time we get to the weekend, a lot less dark blue cold stuff. a little more of the orange warmer air from the west coast to the the east coast. not exactly steamy or warm, but cool is a lot better than frigid. here's how it's going to look in d.c. after a threat of snow possibly on wednesday, friday into saturday mid- to upper 40s. that's going to feel warm. how about our friends in chicago? you haven't been above 32 degrees in 10 straight days.
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visibility as they were evacuate evacuated out of the tunnel. what caused the smoke is unknown. investigators believe it may have been caused by water hitting a rail. one woman on board was killed. 84 others were sent to the hospital. >> the cars are filling with smoke, they can't open the doors, they are in complete darkness in the tunnel. some people performing cpr. they were in there for 45 minutes until help was able to get there because they had to deactivate the third rail u. >> imagine what was going through their minds as to what caused this. >> from reuters, what may be the most telling piece of evidence in the airasia flight were recovered. they were able to recover the voice recorders in a step towards determining what caused the jet to go down. the voice recorder holds the last two hours of conversation between the pilots and air traffic controllers.
it's on its way for analysis. but investigators say it may take up to a motto go through all the data that black box contains. the los angeles times, the race for the california senate seat being vacated by barbara boxer is heating up. california attorney general is expected to announce her bid today. the news follows lieutenant governor gavin newsome's announcement. it's unclear if he will announce. former los angeles mayor antonio villaraigosa has been mentioned. this will be california's first open u.s. senate seat in 24 years. wow, look at those contenders. entertainment weekly the premier date for.
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clothing. officials say the man was caught after customs officers noticed his posture and his stride was suspicious and stiff. the man had the phones strapped across his torso, legs, thighs. faces up to seven years in prison if convicted. >> how did he get in through security? still ahead on "morning joe," we're headed back to the bedroom. >> how often do i get to be in bed with mika? >> could you give me a little susie green? >> this is what my life has become. people just want me to tell them to go [ bleep ] themselves. >> that is her line. >> it's true. i just love her. >> your phone ring it will be
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>> i respect wood larry. i respect wood so much if i had a piece of wood in my hand right now, i'd beat the [ bleep ] out of you with it okay? >> can i have those flowers? >> take the [ bleep ] flowers. >> we don't answer the phone at dinner. >> i'll answer it. >> no, no, no. >> what kind of [ bleep ] rule is that? >> we don't answer the phone. we don't answer the phone during dinner, it's a rule. >> he had a beautiful full held a of hair that i love and now he looks like you. >> there's nothing wrong with being bald. >> sure there is. >> i might not be the match. he needs his kidney. he's a fat [ bleep ], he can't
even survive the surgery. you're healthy and thin you're giving the kidney. end of discussion. >> this is why she needs to be my ring tone. can you please? >> you see in all those scenes how he provokes me. and they say i'm the shrew. >> you're amazing. i want to do that. >> maybe if had he comes back you could do a guest star. >> do i guest star on "curb accounts." could i be your cousin or something? >> we could be related. >> really uptight cousin. >> dark curly wig. >> i want to be -- i have a side personality that's like yours. letting those f-bombs rip. >> anybody who has teenage girls. >> i've got it trust me, i could do it. tell larry. >> with a side of tourrets.
we're backing it into. susie joins us now. a lot to get to. joe is in the control room. >> hi joe. >> hey, susie, how you doing? >> she looks different. we're going to talk about that later. first, let's start on a more serious note. being that you're a comedian and i have interviewed for my next book coming out and my next book. we have had some serious discussions about being a woman in your industry. but this takes things to a whole new level. what was it like to watch these attacks unfold in paris? >> they are killing cartoonists. it really hit home to me. the i have to take issue with your dad, by the way. >> a lot of people do. >> when he said it was in bad taste and they were being
offensive and you have to use common sense. how do you use common sense with terrorists? what's common sense? what he calls vulgar anything that i say can be construed as vulgar. in a totalitarian regime the first thing that goes is humor. because humor is subversive by its nature. stalin didn't have comedians. >> let me debate you on this. i would never try to speak for my father, but this is a much r more difficult discussion than agree or disagree. would you get on stage and do a stand-up on race in america and make fun of african-americans and talk about ferguson in a way that was insulting to people? >> i probably wouldn't unless i could find the funny in it. however, you're assuming that if the cartoons were less vulgar they wouldn't have attacked. and i think that's the wrong assumption. i think it's subjective and any
time you go after religion it raises the hackles of people. lenny bruce, people think he was arrested and jailed for his four-letter words. it was that he did a whole thing against the catholic church. any time you go after religion humor goes out the win dpoe. it's not about taste and common sense. you're dealing with terrorists. they don't have common sense. they could take anything and find it offensive. >> it was an attack in a sense on journalists, but also on humorists and everything that you do. >> if i don't offend people i'm doing something wrong. >> that's correct. >> then i'm just a juggler or a mime or a clown. whenever you're using words and giving your opinion, you're going to offend somebody. if i'm making them laugh, i'm happy. >> joe is jumping in. >> so what do you think about
the news reports that actually won't show the actual cartoons? >> i think that's fine. we don't need to incite at this point. it's a judgment call. it doesn't bother me. >> you're sort of saying the same thing my dad said, just in that comment. >> that's a judgment call. what he was saying was that you use common sense and don't cross the line. what is the line? when you're dealing with terrorists, what's the line? what are they going to find offensive? >> now you're saying the line is drawn based on not showing the cartoons. >> that's a choice that nbc makes or whoever else makes. i choose what i do in my standup. for example, i don't find child molestation funny. i can't make that funny. other comedian might be able to. >> this is exactly the issue we're at right now because some of these cartoons were vulgar and had sexual innuendo to them.
>> if they didn't, would that make the terrorists not bomb them? they are insane. >> ultimately, the right should be there. we all agree with that. lewis, you're getting tweets about susie. one has a big question. >> are there any plans for another season of "curb"? >> ask larry. >> he says please lie. >> how is that going? he's doing a show. >> he's doing a broadway show. >> i read the script it's hilarious. it's going to be great. >> do more "curb." >> your show "husband" is on the goldbergs. that show is funny. >> you're asking me questions that i have no control over. >> like i have some power in hollywood. >> i'm being made to ask you this question because i'm the safe one. someone told me that more than a handfuls a waste.
>> i had a breast reduction over the holidays. that's what i did over my winter vacation. it was elective surgery, but it was really because i had so much pain. men don't understand this. >> susie, i'm going to jump in here. i don't understand this. >>. let me just say you were carrying around on those large cojones of yours, you were carrying around four extra pounds walking down the street. >> it's a burden sometimes that you have to bare. >> tell that to someone who needs a kidney transplant. >> what is a breast reduction have to do with a kidney transplant? >> i was incredibly uncomfortable, i had neck and shoulder pain all the time.
>> get him off camera. >> what size were you and now you're more comfortable. >> i was a g and now i'm a d. >> in those clips from "curb"? post menopause, they grow. that's a little known fact. >> so g is a lot further -- >> do your alphabet. >> where's the double? >> that's like the size of toledo. i have never even heard of a g. >> you have to go to the town shop. >> it's not that big. you saw me. >> i thought you looked great. >> i feel so much more comfortable now. can i give a shoutout to my surgeon, a genius. dr. salton. a genius with a call pl.
>> here's what we would be get figure there was a new season. we're going to move on here. i love the scene. >> you're welcome, america. >> you tried to get a tour of the house, roll it. >> is this something? >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> that's wonderful. >> we're so happy here. >> we sure are. >> i'll give you the tour. >> that's okay. i get it. >> what do you mean? >> it's bedrooms bathrooms, i get it. i see it it's beautiful. >> you don't want a tour? >> you don't need to walk me around. >> get the [ bleep ] out of my house. get the [ bleep ] out right now. >> fine i'll take the house tour. >> no i'm done i'm over it. i'm turned off, leave. get the [ bleep ] out. >> i'm turned off. lewis, leave. that's hysterical. you are so funny. before you leave, lewis was on the red carpet at the golden globes. he embarrassed us. i think he was fist pumping with
george clooney. >> i was interviewing people on the red carpet. you see george clooney you take the opportunity. let's roll a clip. >> here's george clooney and lewis. >> we have a little montage. can we hear it? >> not many people intimidate me but i love them. >>. how could you be intimidated? >> think would freak me out. >> i don't know why she needs to come back on. i'm looking for the george cloo clooney stuff. >> the stupidest questions i've been asked have been on the red carpet. >> it doesn't have to be the case. >> who are you excited to see? i don't want to see any of these people. >> i actually sat next to heidi klum. >> she won't go out with you. >> i already have a fiance so i
figured that. maybe she'll come in and co-host one day. >> that would be good. >> there's lewis. >> he's like champagne at that party. >> golden globes you drink. same thing with the sag awards. >> the one thing you bring up the work that lewis is doing, it's hard, it's not glamorous, it's tough stuff. you're trying to get moments. with lewis getting the fist bump, you're trying to get those moments moments. mini moments that you can turn around on tv. he did a good job. >> i'm going to use my inside my head voice. i'm bored already. >> you bored us. >> i apologize. >> it's hard work. >> what is lewis on the show, the young people table? >> exactly. we want to appeal to myil len
y'alls so we have to bring him in. the only problem is he's 38. he used to work. we're trying to figure out what to do with him. what do you think of the cocktail table? >> i'm too far away. >> it makes him feel like the other. >> i think it's demeaning. >>. i'm turning off, go. susie, stay with us. >> you want me to drag him closer to you. >> i want a glass of wine. >> oil prices keep falling lower and lower. why that may mean bad news for interest rates. stay with us, we'll be right back. [ julie ] the wrinkle cream graveyard. if it doesn't work fast... you're on to the next thing. clinically proven neutrogena® rapid wrinkle
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trying to create inflation. but they are failing. we keep seeing the rate of inflation go lower and lower and lower. in parts of europe it's been negative. and people are wondering what's going on. we see this when people buy treasuries long-term treasure treasuries, which the federal reserve used to be buying when they got out of that part of the market we would see more normality, but it's not happening. people are wondering why. put all that together, stock investors like it. we're going to get another rally. several days in a row of triple-digit moves. volatility is back in the stock market. the federal reserve is no longer so involved in the markets. >> that's a good way of putting it. >> it makes absolutely no sense. why are oil prices down? >>my michelle? >> so right now, roughly the world is producing about 90 million barrels per day. and we are roughly consuming about 89 million barrels a day.
so we have a million barrel per se surplus. china isn't as strong as we thought. here in the united states we're not driving as much. we have more fuel efficient cars. and there's a real trend away from the use of oil. and we are huge producers now in the united states in a way that nobody ever expected. we're now one of the biggest crude producers in the world. that's happened in a space under five years. it's been an incredible transformation because of fracking and shale oil, which has made us a lot more independent when it comes to the concern about oil independence. >> michelle cabrera, thank you. up next for the first time in 45-year history, there's no image on the latest cover of "essence" magazine. the editor joins us next to explain why.
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as long as i am unable to exercise my constitutional right to vote, i do not have command of my own life. i cannot determine my own destiny when it's determined for me by people who would rather see me suffer than succeed. those before us say no more. no more! >> that was a scene from the critically acclaimed movie "selma", based on the marches for voting rights. the movie comes at a time when a bigger national conversation is happening on the state of race relations in america. as part of that conversation "essence" magazine for the first time in its 45-year history doesn't feature an image on the cover. instead, just words. black lives matter appear. joining us now is the editor and
chief, good to have you back on the show. >> great to be here. >> this is a big departure, 45 years and what was behind the decision? >> well, i mean we wanted to make sure that we captured this it tipping point in our history. not just in black history, but in american history. black lives matter is a huge social media movement that is really transformed the way we think about social protests, social involvement, speaking out against social injustice. so what better way in the february issue, which we typically take a look at things like our history and our legacy, to really capture this moment in time. >> you have reader polls that are fascinating asking questions like what does the black community need the most. we have some of the answers. 19% say increased turnout at the polls still today. 24%, increased focus on education. 40%, strengthening our families.
17%, economic empowerment. talk about what stood out to you in those answers. >> i love the answer about strengthening our families. i think that was probably unpredictable unpredictable. some may thought we may u have weighed more heavily on the other answers. this is not a community that all thinks the same. there are many different opinions, many different points of view and that was a clear example of it. >> this is obviously a very important issue taking on a topic that needs a lot of different voices to bring to the table. so you have cureuates some great ones. jon legend and some of our own family members. who else is contributing? >> our editor in chief is included in the piece as well as isabel wilkerson, the author of "the warmth of other sons." we have sharel brown, who is a part of the new york city
justice league. one of three women of color came up with the entire hash tag and movement. >> i was watching that clip of selma in 1965. it's so long ago. since then so many things have changed, yet we have an african-american president and yet not. so we still have to talk about black lives matter. isn't that a given and yet it's not. what is it going to take to bring that home to people? >> i think it's interesting. we were just talking about this in the green room. there were two very important stories that happened last week. the massacre in nigeria over the weekend, the bombing of the naacp and we barely heard a whisper of that story. why aren't those stories just as important? >> the fact that in a lot of cases, social media overruled basic media. >> that's what's so exciting about this.
there really is the community can take control of its own conversation, can really drive conversation and force the larger community to pay attention. >> i like the reader poll on what changes you want to see in police training. we were talking about the conversation with bill bratton earlier in the show and the data showing there's a work stoppage. a bigger issue with the nypd and across the country is how engaged are they with the african-american community. we have some incredible stories of positive stories in new york city but a cultural sensitivity training, personality tests and higher education standards, extensive situational awareness and gun training, 58% want to see that. quickly explain. >> 58% feel that if the police have better training more sensitive training that it will result in better relationships with the community at large. overwhelmingly, this audience believes that that is the key to
making sure that some instances like the eric garner instance, and so many others so many women also being brutalized by -- those stories wouldn't be happening if there was the right kind of sensitivity training. >> thank you so much. we'll be looking for the new issue of "essence" magazine. we appreciate it. this is it. good-bye. i'm turned off. you're done. tomorrow here at 8:30 on "morning joe," our special guest will be josh gadd. remember him from "the book of mormon." he's out with a new movie with kevin hart. i love him. he's olaf in "frozen." the rundown with jose is up
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l.a. today, taking his midterm message on the economy to millennials. he'll also make remarks and answer questions at a dnc event coming up this evening. and the illinois man accused of trying to travel travel over join isis has a detention hearing in federal court today. police say he wrote a letter to his parents about going to the, quote, blessed land of syria but they say he didn't make it past chicago. all right. that's going to do it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ this is the first military intervention in that years without a code name. now, might be because our chin stroker in chief wants to avoid an embarrassing acronym here like past rejected code names operation afghan free dam which spelled oaf by accident or operation iraqi liberation which spelled o.i.l., but so far the
only actual name military planners have suggested to the pentagon was "operation inherent resolve, which was rejected because as one military officer put it, it was just kind of blah. i agree. i agree. although given the mood of the country right now, i might go with "operation kind of blah." >> good morning, it's thursday, october 9th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have the managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin. >> hi, mika. >> in washington former white house press secretary for president obama, robert gibbss and mike barnicle is with me. how are you doing. >> very well. >> that's good. we have a vast array of news to cover. we'll start with isis where there is new evidence that isis may be making gains despite american air strikes and resistant by kurdish forces. isis now reportedly controls much of the northern town of kobani.
gunfire could be heard by observers just across the border in turkey but turkey remains on the surveillance sidelines for. their inaction prompted protest from kurds that turned violent leaving at least 20 dead and now "the new york times" reports that with the americans' renewed focus on isis syrian president bashar al assad has been freed to resume hisbombing campaign dropping bombs on rebel towns and villages. coffee-mate dense is flagging in president obama's ability to manage the conflict. a poll shows 51% of americans disapprove with 40% supporting. and the mother of an american hostage held by isis posted a message on twitter to the leader of the terror group. her son who converted to islam was kidnapped while delivering aid to syrians and her message reads in part this "i am trying to get in touch with the islamic state about my son's fate. i am an old woman and abd
abdul-rahman is my only child. my husband and i are on our own, with no help from the government. we would like to talk to you. how can we reach you?" it's not just the american people who have lost confidence, in an interview with "the ft. worth star telegraph" the 39th president of the united states is critical of president obama's middle east strategy saying, it "changes from time to time and that president obama draws lines in the sand and never follows through." "we waited too long, we let the islamic state build up its money, capability and strength and weapons while it was still in syria and then when isis moved into iraq, the sunni muslims didn't object and about a third of the territory in iraq was abandoned." he added, "if we keep working on in iraq and have ground troops to follow up when we do our bombing, there is a possibility of success."
president obama recently blamed the media for his negative press saying "all it does is feed cynicism and cook up phony scandals." robert gibbs, and then mark halperin, is that a fair assessment of the press can we'll start there and also, your reaction to jimmy carter's statements. >> well, look, i think what former president carter has said is what others have said, so my hunch is that the white house is somewhat used to the criticism. again, i think they've heard whether it was the line in syria or waiting too long that's criticism they've heard. you know, look, i think this is going to be a time period in which there is certainly going to be, you know, second-guessing and i think it's going to take some time to move and make gains with isis using air strikes. >> which he did say. but it's not just jimmy carter, mark halperin, critics close to
the administration i think you have a former president and you have two former secretaries of defense have a little bit of a problem, leon panetta says the president lost his way and that pulling out of iraq created a vacuum in terms of the act of that country to better protect itself and it's out of that vacuum that isis began to breed. bob gates splits with the president over the issue of boots on the ground saying troops are necessary if there's any hope of success and former secretary of state hillary clinton was at odds with president obama over arming the syrian rebels after leaving her post she told "the atlantic" that president obama's failure to do so led to the rise of isis. she also took a swipe at his foreign policy doctrine saying "great nations need organizing principles and don't do stupid stuff is not an organizing principle." mark halperin, some of this i think is easy to say when you're not the president. >> right. >> it's always easy to say boots on the ground would be better. it's always easy to say that. >> we all want the president to
succeed and no doubt the fact on the grounds are bad. robert's former colleagues can easily dismiss this stuff and say it's just chatter, just insiders, the reality is when leon panetta joined this and jimmy carter, the president does have a public relations problem and image problem and hurting him not just with elites in the united states but oversea, as well. and last thing i'll say is that, you know, leon panetta's criticism is shared by a lot of senior people still in the government. >> but he's getting criticism for doing it now. >> i would like to see a poll on how many would feel comfortable with jimmy carter leading the united states rather than barack obama. >> down, boy. >> i would assume barack obama would have resounding success on that. we are surrounded with no allies. joe biden came pretty close to the truth last week -- >> he always does, by the way. >> yes, he does. he was pretty close. we're surrounded by allies that are not allies.
president erdogan said, "for us, pkk, the kurdish political party within turkey, for us pkk is the same as isis" the. that's what we're dealing with. >> a member of nato. >> letting a slaughterhouse miles from their boarder. >> we have an air base 100 miles from the syrian border and turkey, erdogan refused to allow that air base to be used for offensive operations against isis. that's what we're dealing with here. >> then we look at the midterms and what's coming ahead because we're counting down to that. senate democrats are eyeing a new battleground where republicans thought they had things locked up. national democrats are pumping a million dollars into south dakota on negative ads against republican candidate mike rounds reporting this is a last-minute attempt to hold on to a seat they view as winnable. >> democrats are really crafty and never take anything for granted.
the senate operation is smart. what they looked at is a four-way race where mike refuses to run negative ads frustrating republicans, a million bucks is not a lot in the context. they have two candidates that could win and keep senate control. look at kansas which is, of course, very much in play for the democrats to take a seat but they hold south dakota and win either kansas or georgia and if they win both of them they keep senate control. >> so most polls show rick weiland and larry pressler down by double digits. >> a candidate who refuses to run negative ads. tell me about him. >> mike rounds is a nice guy and succeeded in politics there two-time governor not going negative. he doesn't believe in it and helped him. >> all right. >> somebody is going to win this maybe with 35% of the vote and it could be pressler and weiland or probably most likely be rounds but if they can take it, big. >> kansas, independent greg orman is giving republican senator pat roberts a run for
his money. a new fox news poll shows him up by five points slightly better than recent polls, just 1% separating them in another. a new "usa today" poll shows kay hagan clinging to the slightest of leads and jeanne shaheen seems to be holding on. robert gibbs, what do you think? >> well, look, i think this will be an important month to determine senate control this. is when campaigns really matter. a lot of these candidates are going to go into debates, a lot of campaigns are going to get a chance to show what their message is standing next to their opponent and i think it's a huge month. i think we have a lot of races still up in the air and, you know, many of the races that mark mentions whether it's a place like georgia or louisiana, these are places that could see
runoffs and extend the debate as to who will control the senate into december and maybe even early january. i would also point out, you know, a poll just a couple of days ago that showed kentucky, the democrat, alison grimes up on mitch mcconnell by two points so i do think there's a lot still left in play. >> i want to turn now to the ebola crisis, a look at the front page of today's "dallas morning news" tells you everything you need to know about the fear gripping the city and it's in dallas where we have the first death from the virus in the united states. thomas eric duncan has passed away eight days after testing positive for ebola. as nbc's ron mott explains there are now questions if hospital errors cost duncan his life. >> reporter: he complained of symptoms on the 24th, went to the hospital on the 26th but was sent home with antibiotics. two days later he returned by ambulance. he was given fluids, put on a ventilator and treated with an experimental drug. now comes the delicate and
critical process of handling duncan's body which is dangerously contagious. wearing protective gear workers must wrap the body in three layers of plastic for immediate cre cre cremation. direct contact, his fiancee and her family. their pastor broke the news to them at a home where they are being quarantined keeping a safe distance. >> their thoughts not only going to the shock and sadness of losing mr. duncan but also whether this will be the course that their life will take next. >> adding to the anxiety in dallas, a sheriff's deputy who was inside duncan's apartment has been hospitalized after feeling ill. at this hour officials say he is not showing symptoms of ebola and there is very little risk that he has the virus but it is the latest example of a city that will remain on edge for the near future.
>> i'm on pins and needles every day in dallas. this week and, yes, throughout the whole 21 days. the science tells you this week is critical and as we move forward we want to get through the whole 21 days. >> the u.s. is now screening travelers from west africa at five major u.s. airport, kennedy airport in new york, dulles in virginia taking temperatures and asking health questions. and president obama urged 1500 state health officials to act with urgency with possible cases of ebola. he says duncan's death in dallas shows we, quote, we don't have a lot of margin of error. all right, minnesota vikings running back adrian peterson made his first appearance in court yesterday entering no plea to his felony child abuse charge with a tentative trial date for december 1st. defense attorney rusty hardin is pushing for an expedited trial
date. >> i would ask all of you to please be tolerant of the fact that adrian is champing at the bit to publicly talk and publicly defend himself and the only reason he hasn't is us insisting and jumping up and down saying the solution is to get a speedy trial and resolve it in a courtroom. i'm going to try to be like the coach of the new england patriots for a time. instead of going to cincinnati we're on to trial. if you ask me another question i'm going to say we're on to trial. if you ask me the third question i'm going to say we're on to trial. >> meanwhile n commissioner roger goodell addressed the media after a meeting with team owners that focused on the personal conduct policy. >> was there a consensus among the owners that now it might be better for the league and for you to not be completely overseeing discipline? >> we've been debating internally for some time well over a year about whether
there's a better process, a process more effective, that's more efficient, it's fair. i wouldn't say there was a consensus other than when things affect the integrity of the game, i believe the ownership feels that is something that is very important for the commissioner to retain that authority. >> all right. so when asked whether he should testify during an appeal of ray rice's indefinite suspension goodell said it's up to a neutral arbiter to decide. but, joe, you know, between these cases now where there's quick action and some of them are going straight to court and roger goodell making changes within the nfl organization, bringing women in, having what we just saw happen, but also what we are seeing on the local level. the new jersey story of the football season that was canceled. you see a change in culture that's been needed. >> yeah, this really, this fall has really been a defining moment for football, not just in the nfl, but also fsu having to
back down and actually suspend their heisman trophy winner for an entire game instead of a slap on the wrist for poor behavior and high school level too. you know, mika, right now roger goodell has the confidence of the owners, you look at a poll that -- a recent poll roger goodell has the confidence of the fans, and roger goodell by default has the confidence of the advertisers that make the nfl a multibillion dollar business, so, you know, he's won the battle so far unless anything else comes out rths the bigger question whether the nfl and organized football as a whole wins the long-term war. you know and i know living in suburbia, talking to fellow parents that right now football, something that was literally the center -- outside the baptist church, football was the center of my family's life growing up. you had the bible and you had
football. and those were the two things. it's not that way anymore. and so the question is, will the nfl be around 20 years from now, 30 years from now? most likely, but they've got to change and hopefully this was a learning molt for everybody. >> the culture and also the health issues. which we'll talk about more because there's a lot of news on this issue coming up. still ahead on "morning joe" we'll be speaking to senator rob portman and the new hud secretary, julian castro in our 7:00 hour then at 8:00 actress and activist eva longoria joins us. coming up jay leno is poised for another comeback. does jimmy fallon need to worry. where in the world is kim jong-un? the mysterious disappearance. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. when folks think about what they get from alaska,
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time to take a look at the morning papers. we start with the christian science monitor. edward snowden is topping as a likely pick for the nobel peace prize. the nomination of the former nsa contractor is supported by members of the committee as well as the editorial boards of leading norwegian papers. now, even if snowden wins, my guess, he will skip it as norway would be obligated to arrest him at the border. the nobel announcement is out this front. >> "the knowledge star ledger." new information point hazing scandal in sayreville, new jersey. a parent of a player says freshmen players would be pinned down and subjected to acts that were sexually explicit in nature. the parents claims these hazing
rituals were performed on almost a daily basis. the disclosure of the details follow the school board's decision to approve the cancellation of the remainder of the football season, still, in a heated meeting of the school board last night parents and students expressed outrage over the entire team being punished for acts they claim were only carried out by a small number of players. >> no one was hurt, no one died. i don't understand why they're being punished. forfeit a game was punishment enough. i just don't believe that the punishment fits the crime. >> i just have one question. when is the next board election? [ cheers and applause ] >> you guys had no respect for us as parents to talk to us before you talk to the media. you should have came to us first. we found out after the fact. we have not had enough respect. >> wow. joe, you know, i don't know what
to say except that at some point these -- this behavior from the top down has to be cut. i think it's brave of what the school board is doing. >> if, if, if kids are being -- freshmen if 13 and 14-year-olds are being pinned down and having sexually abusive acts performed on them or anything that comes close -- >> the culture has gone awry. >> the culture is so screwed up, that i think the school board stepped in and did the right thing. you know i've been asking a lot of questions on whether you should punish everybody for this. this is a much larger cultural issue. i think the players on the team should be allowed to go play at other area high schools and this school needs to think about what's happen and these coaches need to be fired immediately. there is no way this should go on in a high school locker room anywhere in america. >> an amazing story. thomas. >> think about it. like a hydra that needs to be
extinguished. otherwise a couple of kids get punished but then the culture -- >> how do you decide. >> can you understand the parents being so po'd about it. >> we understand why they'd be angry. >> we want to look at "the new york times" and the rumors that they continue to swirl as north korea's leader kim jong-un appears to be missing in action. reports say the country's leader has not been seen in public since september the 3rd. that's five weeks ago. american and south korean officials say his health is ailing with reports he may be suffering from gout, washington officials ruled out rumors of a possible coup citing no proof. foreign officials are anticipating a public appearance possibly tomorrow on the founding of north korea's worke workers' party anniversary. >> i might have gotten gout when i had dreamland ribs for breakfast lunch and dinner eight weeks straight. >> i would do that. those ribs are good. >> they are amazing.
let's go to the hollywood reporter late night hosts, duck, jay leno is reportedly set to host a new show on cnbc. that program is going to focus on his longtime love of cars but last year to top nbc entertainment executive said, quote, nothing would make us happier than to have leno have a presence on our network. >> that sounds kind of cool. >> residence. >> new york "daily news" the brooklyn district attorney is investigating allegations a police officer stole $1300 in cash during a stop and frisk incident. in the video can you see the officer patting down lamar joy in a brooklyn park a few weeks ago and you can see the officer then pull out what appears to be a wad of cash. when joy protests, the offices s
pepper strpray him and his sist, as well. it was his birthday and he was carrying cash for a night on the town with his wife. a police spokesman says officers are responding to reports of a man with a gun and there are other stories -- >> mika, this is -- >> out of control. mika. i have three words for you, cameras on cops. this is out of control. we showed something yesterday and we see this. another story -- >> the teen. >> that we'll get to later that is absolutely horrifying? >> it's horrifying. a teen, let's just say arrested in his house. it was a mistake. it was a mistake. >> yeah, why was he arrested? >> i think because he was african-american. >> because he was black. still ahead -- we're going to take you behind the scenes of spotify. >> awesome. >> one of the game changers
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it's time now for the must read opinion pages. we will start with "the wall street journal" editorial which writes in part this, how not to run a war coalition. the crisis on the syrian/turkish border is a case studny in mismanagement if kobani falls the white house is already blaming our partner and friend turkey. if mr. obama wants turkey to help avoid a massacre, he should press for a joint military operation reassuring mr. erdogan that the u.s. military will back up turkish forces, even if it means ground forces this. is what real wartime leadership would look like. joe, what's the deal with our ability to call turkey what it is, it's an ally but it's not acting like a partner and friend. >> they certainly are not acting like a partner or friend. i go back and i've said they're the worst nato ally we've had
since de gaulle and france in the 1960s when he decided he would be neutral in the battle between the united states and the soviet union. that is no friend. that is no ally. >> no. >> robert gibbs, though, this president is besieged from all sides, whether it's president clinton, president carter, former secretary of defense panet panetta, bob gates, you know, you can just go down the list as you know, list of democratic senators that don't have the guts to say on air what they'd love to say off air. are we not a desperate need for a reset here? almost like what bush had to do after six years of foreign policy failure? >> well, look, i think it's a bit early -- we've -- i think i'd get through the electoral season and figure out whether a lot of this criticism is electoral based rather than policy based. you know, mika brought this up -- >> robert, these are democrats. we expect republicans to
criticize a democratic president like democrats criticize -- this is jimmy carter. bill clinton, democrat leon panetta. his own sec def bob gates. this isn't just politic. >> what i was trying to work through and say, i do think it is going to be -- it always is easy to look back three years and suggest that had we done certain things that everything would be different now. look, i do think that the isis operation is obviously going to be take some time. you know, i think everyone from the military to the president and others have said that. and i think that's the place we're in right now. we've got to ramp up intelligence. we've got t to figure out what the targets are. we've got to continue to move forward with air strikes and push through with a policy. i think the white house will
look at whether they're going to reset politically or reset with foreign policy down the road. i think they're much more media goal is isis. >> all right. i think the pressure obviously is to as you put it, joe, take very enfather but it is time-consuming to generate collective action and i don't think it's been done effectively before. the national journal, though, goes for it too. why obama won't listen to leon panetta. democratic party officials have made it a habit to call or e-mail me almost every week of obama's second term to share their concerns about the course of his presidency. leon panetta speaks for them now. it's uncanny how his memoir and book tour interviews channel the frustrations of democrats who want the president to succeed but consider him a near-failure. who raised their concerns directly with the president or his team and were told to stop their worrying so obama seems destined to leave office no more
confident or competent with the vague arts of leadership than he was six years ago." yet, joe, he is doing what democrats wanted him to do. until it felt uncomfortable. that nobody wanted to march back into war. nobody wants ground troops. nobody wants another engagement. and yet now they're uncomfortable with how it's going although this president has said it would be a long arduous process. >> well, listen, there are going to be a lot of democrats on the campaign trail that will be hypocrites that will do what hillary clinton do by saying it only he listened to me on syria dance lions would be spreading across northern iraq and eastern syria. that said, mark, at some point, barack obama is going to have to face the fact that he is alone and isolated in washington, d.c., every bit as much or i would say more than george w. bush in 2006. i commented at the time that republicans in 2006 would come
to me in green rooms and talk about how absolutely horrific george w. bush was in the white house, what a terrible leader he was and then the red light would come on and they wouldn't say anything. of course, i would so i was hated. i was a disloyal benedict arnold republican for saying on what what they would never say on air. it's such a carbon copy of that where democratic senators, senior democratic senators trashing barack obama up and down when the red light is not on. red light comes on, they're muted. only difference between panetta and 80% of democrats in washington i've talked to is leon panetta is saying it while the camera light is on. what are your experiences. >> what panetta is saying what you hear from washington but hollywood democrat, the president doing a fund-raiser. i talked to prominent people in hollywood. almost all supporters feel disappointed for one reason or another. either all the elites in the
democratic party are right or the president and his team are right and i think we'll learn over the next two years and history will record, you know, panetta says the president is more like a law professor than a passionate leader. i know that robert and others hear these things too but they largely dismiss them as not being relevant or being wrong. i think the judgment will be made if he can lead this coalition, if he can deal with the aftermath of the mid-terms question have a good final two years of his presidency but elite opinion is strongly against him on all these same issues. >> let's not forget panetta is getting paid and -- sdmres's not that kind of buy. >> he doesn't want to sell a book. >> he does. >> and doesn't want to have close ties to hillary clinton if she runs. >> he's held back on what he think. >> that's holding back? >> he does. >> okay. >> you know, part of this, this ongoing dialogue and ron gets to it in his piece and talked about it endlessly, part of it gets me
to jack nicholson's line in "a few good men" the president is in a position where he can't look democrats or the country in the eye and say you can't handle the truth. we're going to be in the middle east for ten years fighting isis. this is not going away. but the good news is isis isn't coming here right now. they're contained. the bad news is we have an ally in turkey, we have several other allies and joe biden telling the truth last week who respect really our allies, we're in this alone and so do you want to invade syria? do you want to have another land war? do you want to commit hundreds of thousands more young americans to fight? mo. >> i don't know any of these critics who want that so we'll leave it there for now. up next new concerns over how ready our hospitals are to ham ebola cases after the first death from that virus here in the united states.
dr. secrzeke emanuel joins us. plus, china takes over the u.s. as the world's biggest company or does it? steve ratner fact-checks the numbers ahead.
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enagage with us. we're deeply saddened by the death of the patient in dallas despite maximal interventions we learned today that he passed away and our thoughts go out to his family, friends, he is a face that we associate now with ebola. >> all right, that's the cdc director commenting on thomas eric duncan's death from the ebola virus, the first death here in the united states.
joining us from washington former white house adviser for health policy and vice provost for global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania dr. ezequiel emanuel and on capitol hill, the administrator of u.sad dr. rajiv shah who is going to travel to sierra leone and guinea to look at the response. zeke, the question i'd like to start with, some are dancing around, but everyone is asking, the earlier you identify that somebody has ebola, does thain crease and impact possible survival, yes or no? >> well, look, you've got a disease where the mortality rate is 50%. the flip of a coin. and it's very hard to know whether one thing or another in any individual case led to this man's death because ebola is so fatal. but, you know, obviously you like to treat things earlier,
there was several days lost and there was obviously bad communication at the hospital, but i think it's very hard to draw a straight line between bad communications, sending him home for two days and his death. he may have died anyway but certainly we know the hospital's actions didn't help and whether they led to his death will really never be known. >> joe. >> yeah, so zeke, how we can be guaranteed or assured this never happens again in america at any hospital in america, how do you we know? >> well, look, a guarantee is impossible to happen because you have individual human judgment and that's always potentially fallible. i do think this has been a wake-up call to the country to ask questions about people who potentially might have traveled to west africa, do that travel history more thoroughly and make sure more importantly i think that the whole team, the doctors, nurses, everyone
interacting is communicating and be aware this is a threat even here. only 100 people -- >> zeke, for us to increase screening of the five airports in the united states -- >> well, you know, i think it's still we wouldn't have caught this man because he didn't have a fever coming into the country. he developed it four days later. so all you're going to get is people who have fevers and that, frankly n. this situation is nonspecific and quarantine them but people affected and still normal will get past that screening because all we're really going to be able to measure is, you know, their contacts and their temperature, so i think it's mostly a reassurance thing, but the real issue is vigilance on the part of the country and i do think this was a wake-up call to all the other hospitals in the country so i think that's going to be important. >> so that's that part here and then the other phase of this is,
of course, containing and tamping down the virus in africa, mike. >> yes, and doctor, you are about to leave for africa so i would ask you one of the more contagious elements is fear, is panic, both here and i assume in africa where the disease is eradicating hundreds of thousands of lives so when you get there what is your principal focus on the ground when you do get there and offhandedly, what do you think about the proposal that has been made by political people here to shut down travel from africa to the united states? >> well, you know, president obama has said that this is a national security priority and, in fact, the only way to really fully protect yourselves is to address and eliminate ebola at its source in west africa. that's why i'm visiting the region next week, it's why the united states has mounted a massive global response
investing more than $300 million over the last six months deploying the largest disaster assistance response team and centers for disease control team out to the region. we are already seeing hundreds of u.s. military personnel quickly scaling up the effort and i'd point out i do think we are seeing some cautious signs of momentum at building exactly the confidence you reference which is required to get over the tide and to turn around this epidemic in the endemic country. >> and the lack of drugs, mark halperin and other issues make it frightening. >> a tough issue for the country and world. if you had 300 million more dollars, what would you spend it on? >> it's what we're doing right now. we have a clear coherent three-part strategy. the first is building out ebola treatment units. we've already doubled the capacity of treatment in the last three weeks and we are going to have thousands of new ebola treatment unit beds come online between now and
mid-december. the second part is to reach deep into communities and create ebola care centers, we have 57 under way in liberia. the united kingdom is building out more man 80 in sierra leone and seeing similar progress in guinea. and the third component which is very important and sometimes undervalued by our own analysis is this community mobilization and public education. we are using cell phone, radio, television, advertising to make sure that everyone understands how do you behave and protect yourself and avoid touching dead bodies. in the last few weeks we mobilized 50 burial teams that removed more than three-quarters of all dead bodies in liberia within 24 hours. >> dr. zeke emanuel and dr. rajiv shah, thanks to you both. should the terminally ill have the right to die on their own terms? we'll tell you about one woman's
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according to date father that caught our attention yesterday china has the world's largest economy, at least in one area, dropping the united states to a close second place.
with us former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. we talk about china, america, what the future looks like obviously, china is going to continue to explode economically but tell us why you say that what we're hearing from yesterday doesn't exactly jive with the reality out there. >> i think there's two pieces to it, joe, the first piece is that as your intro said on an aggregate basis the total size they've overtaken us this year and you can see that on some charts we have where china is the red line and it's had this rather meteoric rise recently and now according to the imf it is at 18.7%, we're at 15.4%. i think that's as of next year so slightly overtaking us. but you have to remember china has a lot more people than we have and so if you look at this on a per capita basis, you see a very different picture. what you see is china has a
percent of the u.s. on a per capital basis so each chinese matched up against each american going from down here less than 5% in 1980 up to 28.5%, so also a meteoric rise but still only about a quarter to 30% of u.s. levels so what it means is that the average chinese has a standard of living that you could -- on income that you could basically say is roughly 28% of ours. this is also adjusted for purchasing power differences, china is a much lower cost economy. so it is a fairly accurate way the imf has done it but gives you this mixed picture. now, there are those of us who believe that economic size equals power internationally, equals influence internationally and so the growth of china on an aggregate basis is significant. when you see them arm wrestling in the south china sea with vietnam and taiwan and japan this is all a reflection of their additional economic power. and the last thing i'd say about
china, two last thing, one, they've got a very high savings rate and save as much as 50% of their income so when you read on the front page of "the new york times" today about them buying the waldorf-astoria for $2 billion it's because they save a lot of money and can go out and buy assets with it. >> mark halperin. >> based on pollutions with pollution and corruption and government in transition how good a market are they for us? are we selling a lot there. >> certainly having other countries grow is good for us from a trade point of view but china, we do not export a lot. >> why not? why respect we doing better? >> they are the low-cost producer. the problem is they are essentially taking our jobs, their wages are still very, very low, a fraction of ours so they produce and we consume and that is not a great place for us to be. >> if we look at that perfect storm of where the streams cross back at your original graphic is it that point of 2007 where we
went into a recession and their economy sort of hit that uptick we really lost the traction necessary to not cross the streams. >> a good point, thomas. they handled the recession better than we did in terms of actually maintaining the growth rate while we were faltering but you basically have a growing economy, theirs is growing at 7.5%, maybe a little less but something like that this year. ours is growing at 3%, probably something less than that this year, 7.5%, 3%, it's going to spread. one other thing we all talk about china camping us. if you look at the great sweep of history, china was the largest economy in the world until the 1870s. if you go back to the 1820s china was 35% of world gdp aeropostale we were 2% so in a sense china is merely resuming its historic place in the world. >> steve rattner, thank you very much. coming up at the top of the hour more concerns over the effectiveness of the air strikes against isis and now jimmy carter is sounding off against
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casually walking up to kobani. >> tanks towards kobani moving through fairly open spaces. >> isis tanks, isis vehicles freely roaming around the countryside for the last five days. >> isil fighters saying, yoohoo! taking numerous sunbathing breaks. look, what happened to the whole destroy and degrade plan? don't you guys realize if they take over kobani our entire yogurt supply will be in jeopardy. i'm being told that's chobani. [ laughter ] kobani is apparently a syrian kurdish town on the border of turkey and does not have real blueberries mixed in it. >> beautiful shot of washington, d.c. this morning. it is the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." mark halperin and robert gibbs
are still with us. joe, the president is getting criticism all around on his isis strategy. high up in status and from the left, really. >> yeah, no doubt bit. beautiful skies over washington this morning. troubled clouds over the white house, right. and it really is. i haven't seen anything like this actually since, well, since george w. bush in 2006 when everybody had turned on the commander in chief. >> i haven't heard from george w. bush. have you? >> not yet. >> it's have he interesting that the presidents that have shown dignity and restraint, george w. bush and intelligence -- george h.w. bush were so quick to trash on their way to the white house. now they found out it's tougher. have you ever -- did you ever see "gomer pyle." >> yes, i've seen "gomer pyle." why? >> so you know "gomer pyle."
>> mark hall trinh. >> surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise. >> what the heck -- >> so, if -- if you're as old as mark halperin and me you probably remember reruns of "gomer pyle." this was a sitcom about the hapless marine in a brusque drill sergeant, sergeant carter. you may remember this classic episode where sergeant carter decided he was going to put together on base a chorus. the only problem one of the singers was so horribly out of key, the entire project turned into a fiasco. the tough sergeant who is so sure he has the best voice on base, he keeps looking for the clunker in the group. pyle, you're a clunker but it never occurred to him until the end thafr episode that he's the one that is so horribly out of tune with the rest of the group. you know, it's kind of like when you and me drive around town and we're constantly put off by the fact that everybody else is such a bad driver and we're the only good drivers in the greater new york area.
or that you're the only member of your family that is not crazy. have you ever felt that? everybody else is crazy but me. or, well, you know, you get what i'm saying. >> yeah. >> maybe it's not everybody else in your family. maybe it's not everybody else on the road, maybe it's us that we need to look at. well, that's kind of how washington is running these days. we've actually got a guy in charge who thinks he's the most intellectually advanced, the most emotionally complete, the most temperamentally balanced of everybody else in washington, d.c. and america, what he never seems to notice is that everybody else is claiming that he's the one who is the clunker, the one who is singing out of tune. whether it's democratic presidents like bill clinton or jimmy carter, or whether it's his own secretary of defense, leon panetta or bob gates or whether it's just about any democratic senator who talks you off the record, as ron fournier was talking about last hour, you
hear quickly the guy that needs to get in key is not the rest of washington, but president obama. let's hope he's more self-aware than sergeant carter because it would be a shame for his presidency and for america if barack obama waited until the end of his episode to catch on. and, mika, it's not just people in washington who are concerned, it's ambassadors, it's foreign leaders across the world that are very concerned about what they see, what they see as a lack of leadership and you look yesterday at what's happening in the middle east. turkey, our own nato ally sat by and did nothing while the united arab emirates was dropping bombs on isis to try to stop that siege from continuing. and what happened? turkey wouldn't even allow the uae pilots to use their airspace
to defend turkey's border. this situation just goes from bad to worse every day. and the president, i think the president needs to shake up his white house in a significant way. >> there is new evidence that isis may be making gains despite american air strikes and resistance by kurdish forces. isis now reportedly controls much of the northern town of kobani, gunfire could be heard by observers just across the border in turkey but turkey remains on the sidelines for the conflict. on the sidelines. their inaction prompted protests from kurds that turned violent leaving at least 20 people dead and now "the new york times" reports that with the americans' renewed focus on isis syrian president bashar al assad has been free to resume his bombing campaign dropping barrels filled with explosives on rebel towns and villages. meanwhile, back home confidence is flagging in president obama's ability to manage the conflict. a cbs news poll shows 51% of
americans disapprove of his approach with 40% supporting. the mother of an american hostage being held by isis posted a message on twitter to the leader of the terror group. her son who converted to islam was kidnapped while delivering aid to syrian civilians and her message reads in part "i'm trying to get in touch with the islamic state about my son's fate. i'm an old woman and abdul-rahman is my only child. my husband and i are on our own with no help from the government. we would like to talk to you. how can we reach you?" senate democrats are suddenly eyeing a new battleground where republicans thought they had thing s locked up pumping $1 million in south dakota, negative ads against mike rounds. halperin, you reported that last hour it's a last-minute attempt to hold on to a seat that they now view as winnable. is this a big turnaround. >> it's potentially a game changer for the republicans and democrats because if the
republicans lose this seat i don't think they can win back control of senate. >> most polls show rick weiland and larry pressler down by double digits. this kansas independent greg orman is giving republican senator pat roberts a run for his money. a new fox poll shows roberts up 5 points, slightly better than previous polls, a recent cnn opinion research poll shows the margin even tighter with just 1% separating them. and in north carolina, a new "usa today" poll shows senator kay hagan clinging to the thinnest of leads over statehouse speaker tom tillis while in new hampshire jeanne shaheen seems to be holding on over former massachusetts senator scott brown up 6 in a new poll there. joe? >> mark hall trinh, the back and forth, pretty dizzying at this point and they seem to change every other day. right now you have a poll that actually has pat roberts number kansas and another has it tight and another has him down by ten
points but south carolina always seems to be close, arkansas always seem to be relatively close. what are you hearing inside? do you sense that the democrats are more confident right now that they can hold on or that the republicans are more confident that it looks like their year. >> democrats are a little more confident. easy to look at the polls and not meaningless obviously but two other variables that will tell the tale as much in the last three weeks as anything he. one is the democratic ground game. those polls analyze -- make a presumption about who the voters will bement democrats' premise of saving the seat, saving the arkansas seat and trying to win in georgia is remaking the electorate turning out people who would normally volt. the other big thing democrats have to eliminate these republican challengers to win. cory gardner in colorado unacceptable. they have not done that yet. can they through negative advertising in these debates through opposition research pull
that off? they haven't yet. if they don't do both of those things republicans will win the senate. >> robert gibbs, two fascinating stories in the newspapers in "the new york times," upshot talked about how democrats seem to be doing just as well in the ground game as they did a couple of years ago. in terms of comparisons with the republicans, they've got their ground game operation going. "the washington post" ran a story about how the koch brothers organization is pouring a lot of their money, a lot of their resources into improving the ground game in states like iowa. what are you hearing from people on both sides? does it look like it's still as mark suggesting possibly an advantage to the democrats in the ground game which, of course, made the difference two years ago? >> right, and, look, i think that the democrats have had the advantage in the last several cycles on the ground game. i think, you know, you both hit on it, which is what is the composition of this electorate? we saw the difference between a 2008 and 2010 as a big drop in
democratic base voters, a big drop in younger voters and that's where the field program also have to kick in if democrats will be successful in states that will be tough to win. do they change that composition of the electorate from what it looked like in 2010 and end up eking out big wins? my guess is also both parties are very worried that, you know, everything could drift one direction or another in the last ten days and you could find, quite frankly, i think we'll wake up and see this, that one party will win almost all of these races, you know, the very close races by somewhere around like 51/49 but these tend to break in one big direction at the end. >> i want to get to a story out of oregon which is sparking millions of conversations online. here's the question. should people who are terminally ill have the right to die on their own terms? one woman with terminal brain cancer is using her final weeks to raise awareness about the issue.
29-year-old brittany maynard moved from california to oregon because assisted suicide is legal in that state and she is planning to die on november 1st, two days after her husband's birthday. maynard was very active before her diagnosis in january running half marathon, climbing mt. kilimanjaro. she says she wants to live but doctors say her stage 4 cancer will be, quote, a terrible, terrible way to die. so maynard explains her decision in a video that millions have watched on youtube. take a look. >> i will die upstairs in my bedroom that i share with my husband with my mother and my husband by my side and pass peacefully with some music that i like in the background. i can't even tell you the amount of relief that it provides me to know that i don't have to die the way that it's been described to me that my brain tumor would take me on its own.
>> and brittany has the full support of her husband. >> death with dignity allows for people who are in the predicament of facing a lot of suffering that they can decide when enough is enough. >> so, joe, oregon and four other states currently have death with dignity laws and when you think of all the things that we can provide in terms of health care for pain reduction and getting people better, sometimes there is no hope. i don't know, it makes sense to me what she's doing as tough as it is. >> yeah, you know, obviously there is a heated debate on this issue and state legislatures and online. but you look at that tape and you just want to just -- you know, leave it there. >> yeah. >> i let them make their decisions on how they want to live and how they want to die
and whether somebody wants to in her case whether somebody wants to die that way as she says die with dignity. who am i on the east coast to tell this woman how to live and how to die on the west coast? and same with her husband this. is a deeply, deeply personal decision and the question is, for people to grapple with in the future, do you want her to die this way embassyfully in her bed or would you rather have her kill herself in a way that is not peaceful? >> exactly. >> and, yeah, i'm sorry go ahead. >> i do appreciate her sharing this so that this conversation can be had. we want to go to our top story and the fight against isis because joining us from washington is the former secretary of homeland security under president george w. bush, an executive chairman of the chertoff group, michael chertoff. good to have you on the show this morning. >> good morning. >> if i could sort of break into
foreign policy first and ask you a little bit about the issue with turkey. because mark halperin, i'm hearing from sources that turkey wouldn't even let the uae use their airspace further complicating their mission. how do you define an ally, secretary chertoff and how should we be detyping turkey? >> well, i think, you know this, is the equivalent of a fair weather friend. it's pretty clear what turkey is doing is trying to leverage their strategic position to force us to do things that they think are more important. specifically go after assad and assad ought to be out of there but we've got to set our own priorities and this is a case where you really need to exert the maximum diplomatic pressure the u.s. has, turkey is a nato country and i think we ought to hold them to their obligations under nato to cooperate with us. >> joe? >> mr. secretary, i got a phone call from a friend several weeks ago who asked me if it was safe
to stay in new york city because of isis. seemed like a silly question to me at the time then i had more people ask me that question, mika had more people ask that question. instead of asking you that question, i'll just ask, what is the gravest threat to citizens of new york city, to washington, d.c., to other high-risk areas? >> well, we've done an awful lot in the last dozen years to really increase our defenses and new york city has put in place a very robust intelligence capability and a really strong counterterrorism capability. i think what we're worried about is the possibility of people coming back from syria and iraq, american citizens who are entitled to return and some of them may be trying to carry on the fight here or as we saw in the case in london the other day, people who don't even go over but get radicalized over the internet trying to carry out the kinds of attacks that they see on television like a beheading, for example. are these going to be mass
casualty attacks? probably not. are they going to be disturbing, particularly if social media are used in order to propagate bad images? yes, they could be disturbing. >> mark halperin. >> secretary chertoff, as you look at the reaction of the obama administration building the coalition, dealing with secret service controversy, dealing with the ebola crisis, as someone who looked at the question of reassuring the public of public health and national security emergencies and threats, how would you rate how the president and the administration are currently doing handling that leadership role on those three big issues. >> the challenge of communicating to the public is you've got to be accurate and also be out there and clear and explanatory and i think it's been uneven. you know, the first version of what happened with the secret service had to be amended. that's never a good thing. i think on the ebola issue, they came out yesterday with some strong presentations, i think, upping what they're doing at the airport makes a lot of sense. i think secretary johnson did a
good job on some of the media, explaining what it is we're doing but, you know, the most important thing now with respect to isis and what's going on in the middle east is, now that we've said we'll, quote, degrade and destroy them, we better do it and as i watch kobani, if they take kobani and we haven't really put an effort in, we may have to start to look again at whether some ground elements have to go into the theater. >> secretary chertoff, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe" -- the latino vote may be the most coveted of all. demographics heading into 2016 and hollywood star eva longoria is doing everything she can to get out the vote. she joins us in our 8:00 hour. but first, we introduce you to spotify. they are redefining music on the web and "morning joe" had an exclusive look at their new york headquarters. ♪ come on and let me know ♪ should i split or should i go ♪
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all right. it's time to take a look at the morning papers. how are we doing. >> we're good. we're very good. >> we're good. "the wall street journal," mobile carrier at&t will pay out $105 million for putting bogus charges on customer cell phone bills. oh, wow. the settlement comes after years of claims users were being billed for services they did not request including daily trivia and horoscopes. at&t will pay $80 million to refund affected customers, 20 million in penalties to all 50 states and a 5 million fine to the ftc. all right. do we have joe? >> we sure do. >> yay. >> how are you doing, mika? >> everything is good.
we're good. >> you seem a little concerned. a little upset. >> might have had a little fit. >> we're going to get her a bike helmet. >> you had a fit. >> yes. >> thomas, what was the little fit? >> well, we need a bike helmet in the studio because the lights are a little too close to the set and mika is -- >> over to the table and she stood up and -- >> excitedly -- >> hit her noggin. >> i always bang my head and so i'm getting a steel plate put in this morning. that's why -- i'm in a n nondisclosed location in nova scotia. they have the best steel plate implant doctor and, of course, all of canada. thomas, why don't you go ahead. yeah, thomas, why don't you -- i've been sitting here talking about absolutely nothing for the last five or six minutes hoping that perhaps someone would understand that i don't have prompter. but they haven't figured that
out so i get to look at your beautiful faces. so, thomas, why don't you read the next article. >> reuters has a new report about a washington state woman who's facing a $700 bill for bouncing a $30 check to pay for her kid's high school lumps so a debt collection agency is now looking to garnish her wages over there. a local report says the mom of two was never served with court papers so she's going to have to appear in court to push back against this bill which includes monthly interest. now the attorney fees and the court processing costs so that's just going to skyrocket for this mom. >> so this is from "forbes" and i think it's me. a new study says multitasking may seem like it's good for business but it's bad for your brain. >> uh-huh. >> this is me. >> why do you think your head hurts right now, mika? >> it may not be the lights. researchers suggest people who handle several things demonstrated reduced efficiency in performance. another study says multitasking
actually lowers your i.q. and negatively impacts concentration, organization and attention to detail. in addition to slowing you down it also lowers social and self-awareness. >> i thought that multitasking was supposed to be good for you. >> i'm sorry. >> yes. >> mika, stop that. >> okay. stop multitasking now. >> we look at the huffington post. police are facing criticism for pepper spraying a black teen in his own home after a neighbor reported a possible burglary. so moments after deshawn curry got home from school monday he found police officers downstairs and they had their guns drawn. the 18-year-old says that he tried to tell the police that he recently moved there with his foster parents but deshawn says the officer dis not believe that story because the foster family is white. >> oh, my god. >> and eventually -- >> no. >> even put him in handcuffs. >> it was like how can you tell
me you stay here when all the kids in the picture are white? you know, i was like right then i really started to get mad. really? because i'm black, you know and the kids are white so you believe i don't stay here because of, you know, some pictures on wall? >> so the police department says that he was restrained because he threatened to become violent. the area has seen some increased crime, also -- >> it's his home. >> yeah, he's a foster child for this family. and -- the police did not buy his story. >> the detroit free press said a michigan police officer went above and beyond the call of duty. this week the officer pulled over a woman for not having her 5-year-old daughter secured in a car seat. when she informed him she couldn't afford one, a proper one, he asked her to meet him at walmart where he bought the child a booster seat. he says it was, quote, the easiest $50 he ever spent. i love that.
>> that's a good story. >> yeah. all right. spotify is one of the fastest growing music streaming businesses in the world with more than 40 million users. you can access millions of songs and add them right to your personal playlist. do you have one. >> i do. i have it on my phone. >> what does it take to build such a massive digital network to find out, joe and our "morning joe" audio engineer david kwan vee, "q" as he's known around here visited and has a start-up feel and long-term goals. ♪ ♪ >> what's the secret? >> the secret is pretty simple. give something that's really compelling that people are willing to invest in and eventually they'll start paying for music. >> how did you get groups like zeppelin and pink floyd to
finally realize that the future was here and they needed to join spotify? >> in order for that catalog to sustain and to have -- and to have meaning got to engage young people. got to go to where they are. ♪ >> what's it like being a techie here. >> we're a company about creativity. about music and to be surrounded by so much innovation helps push us to be, you know, a company about culture here in new york. >> listening habits. i love this. you say that the number one university in america that listens to jam bands is -- >> alabama. your alma mater. >> crazy. we just smoking pot and listening to fish all day dropping acid. >> we don't see some of the contexts around the listening? >> that's a surprise, isn't it? >> yeah. >> jam band. >> the cool thing with charts, charts have always been a big thing in the music industry. you get to see what we're all into. >> yeah. ♪ >> are we ready?
>> so in the history of spotify can you tell us what the top three or four streaming songs have been. >> well, we have art i schli sa harris -- ♪ we fell in love as the leaves turn brown." >> kiza who i love. ♪ >> are you guys going to go public? is there going to be an ipo any time. >> we don't think about that. we think about taking this company from 10 million to 100 million people paying for music. ♪ >> we're going to go in to where your house band plays. thisser acalled the blacklist. >> wray. >> and they only play song tass -- >> that are bands that are -- >> you play for the house band here. >> yes. >> and joe played with you guys earlier. >> jumps on stage grabs a guitar and leads us through "jumping
jack flash" and "should i stay or should i go ♪ ♪ come on and let me know -- >> i was actually pretty impressed. >> watch this move, okay, watch this move. watch this move. okay, ready. don't try this at home. one, two, three, four. ♪ >> that was good. joe, you can sing. >> got moves too. >> not bad. >> that octave is lower than i usually sing. the house band was a lot of fun and they asked if i like could play "should i stay or should i go" or "jumping jack flash." i said i've been playing those songs since 1943. i could play them in the dark. spotify, you know what's so exciting about this place is, obviously we love the music. we all love streaming the music from those guys. but also the tech culture in new york, especially downtown and over in brooklyn is so exciting.
you don't have to go to silicon valley if you're a techie, you can stay right here and be a part of a lot of great companies like spot phi. >> right. like siliconally i think is the new name here in new york city. joe, they have a ton of space. that's what i was impressed by, the amount of space that you guys were touring around. it looks huge there. i want to know when we will get ping pong tables here. >> you know, it's so funny that you ask that question, i actually was thinking last night i needed to measure in our office. i'm going to put a ping-pong table -- i'm serious, where the big conference table is but i'm just wondering is that room wide enough? i think it is. >> no. >> i think it is. >> got to do it here in the studio. >> we'll do it in the studio. okay, great. >> you want to know what the "morning joe" crew is listening to on our spotify list, check out the personal top five songs while you're there. you can catch behind-the-scenes shots of our time at spotify. great piece, joe. we'll be right back. ♪
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representative group of people who vote in presidential elections. everybody gets it. then they get around and say, well, why can't the president fix everything? oh, i forgot to vote in midterms. we know better than to let a bunch of people who don't give a rip about us come in and run all these ads slamming our officials. these ads, they make old mark pryor sound like he is leading a communication revolution in washington. the same thing will happen if you send a thunderous message to washington, d.c. by saying we know him. we knew his daddy. we know their family. this is arkansas. thank you very much. take your canned ads and go somewhere else. >> of course, one thing bill clinton didn't say is good old mark pryor is running 30-second ads saying that his opponent is responsible for the ebola virus. so there you go. with us now republican senator
rob portman of ohio. he's with us. rob, thank you so much for being with us right now, of course. a real pitched battle for the future of the united states senate, the control of it. it seems every day we have different polls to tell us we'll go in different directions. the question to ask why is this game so close if you were putting it into sport as nals a but the party's approval ratings seem to be lower. why? >> i think republicans are ahead. i think if you look at this morning, joe, looked at the real third party average and said republicans will win 52/48 and that means winning a lot by incumbents. six seats to win the majority and looks like we're on track to do that but it is 26 days before the elected which as you well know is a lifetime in politics so things could change. looks pretty good for republican. >> mark. >> describe the democratic strategy as you see it being out in campaigning with folks to win
to hold their majority. what's their strategy? a lot of what joe said regarding the arkansas race. a lot of negative ads and democrats are spending more on tv than republicans and trying to disqualify the republican candidates but the great thing this year for republicans, mark, is we've got terrific candidates and spent a lot on the recruiting side and tom cotton described by former president clinton, he eserved his country and did a great job in congress. that's typical around the country. joanie in iowa -- >> yeah. >> we got some great candidate. >> minimum wage is a huge issue the democrats are talking about. have you all countered that effectively and spoken to working class voters in a way you think counters that message? >> i think we have but more importantly economists have who looked at this and said, hey, this will result in lost jobs so in ohio we have a minimum wage above the national average and set to the inflation of i'm okay with that and support that but i think the problem is raising it
too far and too fast the way the democrats want to, the congressional budget office, the nonpartisan group has said that's going to result in a bunch of jobs being lost. that's the thing people are most worried about will we start to bring back the jobs. >> a question, that's a response, that's a criticism of the policies of the democrats. if we could play a little game and put a clock on 20 second, what's the republican message? what's the positive message of the republican party? >> it's a really exciting year for republicans because we're talking about actually getting the economy back on track. bringing back the jobs with a majority we could immediately do things that would help give the economy a shot in the arm, a needed shot in the arm. think about keystone excel pipe up line happen in the first couple of weeks, the biggest in america, 42,000 new jobs. think about tax reform. the president is talking about companies that are taking jobs overseas. we want to solve that problem. we could do that. think about regular tory relief that create jobs and a great
opportunity whether you're a republican, a democrat or independent to actually change the dynamic in washington. washington is broken. it's disfunctiysfunctional and economy moving. >> joe. >> hey, rob, a question from twitter. somebody wanted me to ask you about background checks. we talked about it the other day, quinnipiac poll said 92% of americans still support them. you voted against them. why. any way to craft a background check bill in the future you'd support? >> i support background check, joe, and as you know they're in place, the question is how do you expand that and do you do so in a way that, you know, doesn't take away people's second amendment rights. i think there may be a way to do that. but the fact is background checks are in place, one of the things i focus on is mental health as a lot of republicans saying let's deal with this underlying problem and being sure people who have mental health problems cannot get a gun but dealing with this broader problem of how do we avoid these kinds of horrific shootings we
see by getting at the mental health issue up front. >> yeah, i certainly agree with you on the mental health issue. we need to focus a lot more on that but obviously the background check system we have is not working. what can we do to expand it and make sure more don't fall through the cracks including terrorists who want to do us harm. >> enforcing the law, a lot of people who are currently app applying for a gun and who have a mental health issue or some other disability including a felony are not being prosecuted so one of the things to do is do the prosecutions much more aggressively and get the states to enforce the law and if we do that, we'll be able to tighten up the background system which is something that i think as you say americans support. >> senator rob portman, always good to see you. how much. >> mika, thanks very much. >> after what mark just showed me, i look at you in a whole new way. he's -- >> got me in trouble. >> he's good with his hands and stealing things. >> he's america's leading
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blaming the national school lump program. the times news reports the food is so bad students are desperately seeking out other options from bringing their own lunch to sneaking off campus to buy fast food or skipping lunch altogether. championed by first lady michelle obama families say the program has failed their children. students say the food is bland, missing all flavor and doesn't taste good or as one parent put it, the food was, quote, not edible. you know, i think we can do better but i will not put opinion on this. i'll let others do that here with us now best-selling food writer mark bittman here to reveal the latest issue of "time" magazine, your latest book "i, i love it. we're all busy and we need to make food at home. but it's hard because you want to find recipes that are fast. here you go. and encyclopedia of how to -- i'm going to do my weights while we talk.
18 pounds. okay. first of all looking it he cover of "time" magazine what's the concept here and what are we missing? >> well, the concept is why we need to cook and what we're miss something that by ceding control of what we put in our mouths we're creating basically a health care crisis. i mean we all -- wasn't dough have to go over -- >> i agree. >> -- the numbers on diabetes or heart disease. we all know this stuff. the problem is what we're eating and the only way you can really control what you're eating is by cooking. by feeting yourself at home. so when the kids are skipping lunch, of course, they're better off bringing their own lunch or not eating at all. what they're not better off doing is going out and buying fast food. that's really where the problem lies. >> it changes the taste buds which take -- if you really want to change the way you eat you have to make the change for about a month to re-adjust them but your taste buds get used to salt, sugar and fat that are in the foods you boouy already prepared for you.
> for most people if you cook your own food salt, sugar and fat aren't a big problem because you know what you're putting in there. so -- >> go ahead. >> you know what you're putting in there. you won't oversalt your food. you're not going to put a cup of sugar in what you're eating for dinner. you won't use eight tablespoons of butter while you're cooking. you'll look at this and say what's a moderate way of putting this together? >> right. >> there is a skill involved here and need to learn how to cook. we've abandoned that craft. some good, some not so good. >> how do we get over the two-parent working household and the hurdle of how to cook fast, you know, you come home, it's a takeout nation in many urban areas. you know, you get something on the way home, hot, already prepared to throw down on the table for a couple of kids and your husband or your spouse. >> it tastes awesome. >> you know, you feel like you have 15 or 20 minutes to get it done because we have -- we're so ridiculously consumed with time
management issues. how do we get over that. >> there's a way we've made cooking a spectator sport. we have time to watch cooking on television but don't have time to do it. there's an odd disconnect there. >> oh, my lord. >> if you have a decently stocked kitchen, a well-stocked pantry and food in the refrigerator, you can get dinner on the table in 20 or 30 minutes. we talk about that in here. what my book is about. this -- it's not that much faster to pick stuff up on the way home if you're prepared to cook. if you invest some time in a pantry, if you invest time in equipment, some organization and obviously again you have to learn the skill. there is a question here of priorities. what do you want? if you want to do take-out, if you think it's better, if you think it's fine, there's nothing any of us can do about that. >> yeah. >> but we are looking at an increasingly sick population and part of that is the way we eat. >> how do you get more guys to cook. >> that's a big question too and
more guys, when you and i were younger was almost a stigma for men to cook. it's not anymore. there are plenty of guys cooking. to some extent it's women saying this is something we need to do. >> yeah. >> and it's men recognizing it. >> you know what on a totally different angle as we go to break, eating together. >> well, the whole -- >> important for the family. >> the whole thing of you're healthier if you sit down and eat a real meal. >> all right, 25 -- how to cook everything fast by mark bittman, this could help. this could at least help. mark, thank you. we will look for the new issue of "time." how to eat now. we need help with that. up next a couple with twins thought everything was on track with their mortgage application until the lender suddenly reversed its approval. the troubling reason why and why the government got involved. also, secretary julian castro joins us next with that. we'll be right back.
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>> joining us now for a "morning joe" exclusive, housing and urban development secretary julian castro and first time here as a cabinet secretary. >> great to be with you, mika. >> you, announcing a settlement over alleged maternity leave
discrimination. how big is this story and what is the precedent you are setting? >> this is significant because we investigated 170 cases where lenders when they find out that someone is pregnant or on maternity leave reject a loan application for a home that otherwise would have been accepted. today's settlement is a $5 million settlement with wells fargo home mortgage which is the largest home mortgage lender in the country. we had a number of these cases each year and we investigated 15 case this is year alone and settled 40 of them over the last four years. fortunately the good news is this is a settlement and wells fargo stepped up the play and agreed to make changes to how their folks approach applicants who are on maternity leave. >> is settling good news?
maternity leave discrimination sounds like the dark ages and seems like you should move forward and act. >> no question this should not be happening. the good news is that policies will change and a clear message is being sent to the folks who are underwriting the loans that it is not appropriate to discriminate based on the fact that a woman is pregnant and a family is expecting. that i think is very positive. >> mr. secretary, what is the plan at hud for more affordable housing in urban areas where people cannot afford to live close to their work? >> thanks a lot for the question. hud spends about 86% of its $47 billion budget on keeping a roof over people's heads. we are still investing in many of the programs we have been investing in for a while and public housing and project
assistance and section 8 vouchers and looking at new ways to work with the private sector to renovate the older public housing units that are going into disrepair and the need to be improved so folks can live in them. we lose about 10,000 housing units every year. we are also looking at working with the department of transportation and the department of education to approach this thing holistically so folks can live in a neighborhood that is comfortable and safe with a good school and close to transportation options. not just from the perspective of housing alone. >> secretary julian castro, thank you very much and good to have you on the show. up next, another tough critic. it's former president jimmy carter weighing in on the isis strategy.
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bloomberg politics. good to see you. in washington, former press secretary for president obama, robert gibbs and mike barnacle is with me. how are you? >> doing very well, thank you. >> good. we have a vast array of news. we will start with isis where there is new evidence that isis may be making gains despite american air strikes and resistance by kurdish forces. isis controls much of the northern tone of kobani. gunfire could be heard in turkey, but turkey remains on the sidelines. their inaction from po tests leaving at least 20 people dead. the renewed focus and syrian president has been free to resume his bombing campaign, dropping barrels filled with explosives on rebel towns and villages.
confidence is flagging in president obama's ability to manage the conflict. a poll shows 51% of americans disapprove of his approach with 40% supporting. a mother posted a message on twitter on the leader of the terror group. her son who converted to islam was kidnapped after delivering aid and her message reads in part this. i am trying to get in touch with the islamic state about my son's fate. i am an old woman and this is my only child. my husband and i are on our own with no help from the government. we would like to talk to you. how can we reach you? it's not just the american people who seem to have lot of confidence. in an interview with the ft. worth star telegram. the 39th president of the united states is critical of president obama's middle east strategy saying it changes from time to
time and president obama draws lines in the sand and never follows through. we waited too long. we let the islamic state build up money and strength and weapons while it was still in syria and when isis moved into iraq, the sunni muslims didn't object and about a third of the territory in iraq was abandoned. he added if we keep on working in iraq and have ground troops to follow-up when we do our bombing, there is a possibility of success. president obama recently blamed the media for his negative press saying all it does is feed cynicism and cook up phony scandals. robert gibbs and mark halprin. is that a fair assessment of the press? we will start there and your reaction to jimmy carter's statements. >> well, look. i think what former president carter said is what others have said. my hunch is that the white house
is somewhat used to the criticism. they heard whether it was the red line in syria or waiting too long that is criticism they heard. i think this is going to be a time period in which there is going to be second-guessing and i think there will be time to make air strikes using isis. >> close to the administration, i think when you have a former president and you have two former secretaries of defense have a little bit of a problem, leon panetta said the president lot of his way and pulling out of iraq created a vacuum in terms of the ability of that country to better protect itself. it's out of that vacuum that isis began to breed. bob gates splits with the president over issues of boots on the ground saying troops are necessary if there is hope of success. hillary clinton at odds with
president obama over arming the syrian rebels. she told the atlantic that president obama's failure to do so led to the rise of isis. she took a swipe at his doctrine saying great nations need organizing principals is don't do stupid stuff as organizing principal. some of this is easy to say when you are not the president. it's always to say boots on the ground would be better. it's easy to say that. >> the facts on the ground with isis are really bad. people in the white house can easily dismiss this stuff and say it's chatter and just insiders. the reality is when leon panetta joined this course, the president has a public relations and image problem and it's hurting him not just with elites in the united states, but overseas as well. the last thing is that leon panetta's criticism is shared by a lot of senior people in the
government. >> he is getting criticism for doing it now. >> i would like to see a poll on how many americans would feel more comfortable with jimmy carter leading the states rather than barack obama. i would success barack obama have resounding success on that. we are surrounded in the east with no allies. joe biden came pretty close to the truth. >> he always does. >> we are surrounded with allies who are not allies. the president from turkey said for us, pkk, the kurdish political party within turkey, it's the same as isis. that's what we are dealing with. >> a member of nato. >> letting a slaughter house miles from the border. >> we is have a near base 100 miles from the border. turkey refused to allow that air base be used for offensive
operations against isis. that's what we are dealing with. >> we look at the mid-terms. senate democrats are eying a new battle ground where republicans thought they had things locked up. national democrats are prompts a million dollars on negative ads against candidate mike rounds. this is a last minute attempt to hold on to a seat. they now view it as winnable. >> democrats are crafty and never take anything for granted. they looked at a four-way race where mike brown refuses to run ads. they have two candidates who can win and allow them to keep control. kansas that is in play and georgia. they hope south dakota can win. if they win both, they keep control.
>> most show an independent down by bubble digits. >> i guy who refews to run negative ads? tell me about him. >> he is a really nice guy and he succeeded, but he doesn't believe in it. it helped that someone will rin this race with 35% of the vote and it could be pressler and wheel and and could most likely be rands. >> he is giving pat roberts a run for his money. slightly better than previous polls. a recent research poll shows the margin sighter which is 1% separating them and in north carolina, a new poll shows senator kay hagan clinging to the thinnest of leads over tom teleis. jean shaheen seems to be holding on to the lead in a new poll there.
what do you think? >> this is going to be an important month to determine senate control. campaigns really matter. a lot of candidates will go into debates and a lot of campaigns are going to get a chance to show what their message is standing next to their opponent. they have a lot of races that are up in the air. many of the races that mark mentioned whether it's a place like georgia or louisiana, these are places that could see run offs and extend the debate as to who will control the senate into december and maybe early january. i would point out there was a poll a couple days ago that showed kentucky, the democrat allison grimes up on mitch mcconnell. there is a lot that is left in play. >> i want to turn to the ebola crisis. the front page of the dallas morning news tells you
everything you need to know about the we have the first death from the virus in the united states. thomas eric duncan has passed away eight days after testing positive for ebola. there now questions. if hospital errors cost duncan his life. >> he complained of symptoms on the 24th and went to the hospital on the 26th and was sent home with antibiotics. he was treated with a ventilator and treated with an experimental drug. his body is dangerously contagious. they must wrap the body for immediate cremation or to be placed in a specially-sealed casket. the ten people who had direct contact is his fiance and her family who were in the apartment where they stayed. her pastor broke the news at a home keeping a safe distance. >> the thoughts not only go to
the shock and sadness of losing mr. duncan, but also whether this will be the course their life will take next. >> a sheriff's deputy has been hospitalized after feeling ill. he is not showing symptoms of ebola and there is very little risk he has the virus, but it is the latest example of a city that will remain on edge for the near future. >> i'm on pins and needles every day in dallas this week. throughout the whole 21 days. the signs tell you this week is critical. as we move forward, we want to get through the whole 21 days. >> the u.s. is screening travelers from west africa at five airports. kennedy in new york and dulles in virginia will be among the locations taking temperatures and asking health questions.
president obama urged 1500 state health officials to act with urgency. the possible cases of ebola. duncan's death shows we don't have a lot of margin of error. minnesota vikings running bake adrian peterson made his first appearance in court entering no contest to a felony child abuse charge. defense attorney rusty hard in said he is pushing for an expedited trial and urged everyone to not rush to judgment. >> please be tolerant to the fact that adrian is champing at the bit to publicly talk and defend himself. the only reason he hasn't is insisting and jumping up and down and saying the solution is for you to get a speedy trial and resolve this in a courtroom. i want to try to be like the coach of the new england patriots. we are on to trial.
if you ask me another question or third question, i am going to say we are on to trial. have a great day. >> roger goodell addressed the media with team owners that focused on the league's personal conduct policy. >> there was a consensus among the owners that now it might be better for the league and for you to not be completely overseeing it with discipline? >> we have been debating about whether there is a better princess. a princess that is more effective and efficient. it's fair. i wouldn't say there was a consensus other than when things affect the integrity of the game. i believe the ownership feels that that is something that is very important for the commissioner to retain that authority. >> so when asked whether he should testify in an appeal of ray rice's suspension, he said it's up to a neutral arbitor to
decide. joe, with the cases where there is quick action and some of them are going straight to court and roger goodell making changes within the nfl organization, bringing women in and having what we saw happen. also what we are seeing on the local level. the new jersey story of the football season that was canceled. you see a change in culture. >> this fall has really been a defining moment for football not just in the nfl, but fsu having to back down and suspend their trophy winner for the entire game instead of having a slap on the wrist. on a high school level too. right now roger goodell has the confidence in the owners and you look at a poll, roger goodell has the confidence of the fans and roger goodell by default has the confidence of the advertisers who make it a
multibillion business. he won the battle and the bigger question is whether the nfl and organized football as a whole wins the long-term war. you know and i know living in suburbia, talking to fellow parents that right now football is and football was the center of my family's life growing up. you had the bible and you had football. it's not that way anymore. the question is, will the nfl be around 20 or 30 years from now? most likely, but they are going to change it and hopefully this was a learning moment. >> on two levels. on the culture and the health issues. still ahead, we will be joined by the mayor of dallas following the death of the ebola patient in that city.
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time to take a look at the morning papers. we start with a christian science monitor. edward snowden is topping a list for the nobel peace prize. the contractor who leaked reams of government secrets is evaporated by members of the committee as well as boards of leading norwegian papers. even if he wins, he is going to skip the awards ceremony. they will arrest him at the border. the announcement is out this friday. >> the star ledger with new information about the hazing scandal and the details are disturbing. a parent of a player in the school's football program, they said freshman players would be pinned down and subjected to acts that were sexual explicit
in nature. they followed the school board's decision to cancel the remainder of the football season h. in a heated meeting, parents and students expressed outrage over the entire team being punished for acts carried out by a small number of players. >> no one was hurt. no one died. i don't understand why they are being punished to forfeit a game was punishment enough. i don't believe that the punishment fits the crime. >> i just have one question. when is the next board election? [ applause ] >> you guys have no respect for us as parents to talk us to before you talk to the media. you should have came to us first. we found out after the fact. we have not had enough respect. >> wow.
i don't know what to say expect that is the some point this behavior from the top down has to be cut. i think it's brave what the c l school board is doing. >> if kids are being freshmen. if 13 and 14-year-olds are being pinned down and having sexual abuse acts performed on them or anything that comes close to that, the culture is so screwed up that i think the school board stepped in and did the right thing. i have been asking a lot of questions on whether you should punish everybody for this. this is a much larger cultural issue. i think the players on the team should be allowed to play at other area high schools and this school needs to think about what happened. the coaches need to be fired immediately. there is no way this should go on in a high school locker room in america. >> it's like a hydra that needs
to be extinguished. a couple of kids get punished, but the culture is extinguished. you can understand the parents being so po'ed about it. >> i can understand why they are angry. >> rumors continue to swirl as kim jung un appears to be missing in action. he has not been seen in public since september 3rd. they said his health is ailing with reports that he may be suffering for gout. they ruled out rumors of a possible coop. they are anticipating a possible public appearance on the anniversary of the founding of the worker's party. >> joe? >> i think i might have gotten gout in college at the university of alabama when i had dreamland ribs for breakfast, lunch, and dinner eight weeks straight. let's go to the hollywood
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better. things were a little slow as far as i was concerned early in the process. what part of that makes a difference, i don't know. i have a tough enough time taking my vitamins let alone dealing with the what ifs. there is a lot of discussion on that. needless to say we are very sad today and yesterday when we heard of his death. >> thomas? >> it is a real tragedy as we spoke earlier. this is a critical time period for the 48 people under observation, ten specifically in dallas. what are the updates like for you that it's breathless for you when you get those reports. how are the people faring? >> knock on wood. we had no reports and we test them twice a day. those folks call me. after i'm done here i will be listening for the morning report. we are in this critical stage.
i want to get through this week and get through the whole 21 days. we have to remind people there is zero chance of getting this unless you came in contact with the patient with active symptoms. those are the folks we are looking at. we have about nine, eight or and the remainder are in the low risk. >> what about the superior out of spain and the spanish nurse whose pet was euthanized. do we know if thomas eric duncan came in contact with pets and a warning for the 48 people you have under quarantine for any of their animals and any type of risk that they may pose. >> i was not toll of any animals in the apartment complex and in
the apartment that he came in contact with and yes, we have a protocol in place where if somebody shows symptoms, high fever and any of the diarrhea or vomiting that we will make sure they are quarantined and including the animals around. that's the moment of truth when they start to be symptomatic. >> mayor, thank you very much. now to an nbc news investigation on the artificial turf that millions of children play on across the country. could some of the material being used in the turf be making some players sick? stephanie goss took an indepth look at the issue and joins us with that. >> good morning. this is an issue that is going to resonate with a lot of parents and anyone who sweeps up the black dots after practices or games and communities around the countries.
natural gas has been replaced and now some including a soccer coach are asking is it really safe? >> casey sullivan may have taken a soccer game like this for granted. if he had never gotten that diagnosis. >> the doctor came in and said in all my years of medical practice, this is the worst chest x-ray i had seen. >> hodgkin's lymphoma stage 4. he was a college student, a young fit goalkeeper on the soccer team. >> the doctors never had a good answer. >> after beating the cancer, he saw the soccer coach amy griffin on the local news. two of her goalkeepers were diagnosed with similar cancers. a terrible coincidence until taking one for chemotherapy. >> the nurse said don't tell me you guys are goalkeepers. you are like the fourth i hooked up with this week. she said i have a feeling it has
something to do with the black dots. >> this is the stuff. >> it is shredded car and truck tires used to fill the space between artificial blades of grass. they contain the chemicals found in most tires. the agency for cancer research labels four carcinogens and adding at low levels of exposures, they are safe. goalkeepers more than any other player roll around more than any other practice. >> we ingest it as a goal keeper and it's unavoidable. >> sullivan reached out and now he is on the list and names the coach continues to gagger of soccer player who is developed different cancer. 38 all together, 34 of them are goalkeepers. a list is not scientific proof. there is no research directionally drinking the rubber exposure to cancer. >> many are related cancers, but
there others too. what i would say is in general it's very difficult to study the relationship between environmental exposure and cancer. >> no available is its replicate goalkeeper playing conditions, but researchers states and localities defend the safety. this man has a ph.d. in chemistry and sits on the board. >> there is a preponderance of evidence to this point. they said it is safe. >> an investigation put that assertion to the test gathering is it thes and speaking with pediatricians and scientists and group who is say more research should be done. >> turf fields come with a number of risks and real benefits. every community that is faced with deciding what they want to put in has to weigh the different risks and benefits for that situation. >> among the available studies, the turf council posts to one done by the epa in 2009.
the agency itself describes the conclusions as limited. nbc news requested an interview, but after several e-mails and two phone calls, the epa refused. in a statement, a spokesperson said the use of rubber remains a state and local decision and more testing needs to be done. >> if more research needs to be done, why are we allowing our children to play on the surface? >> more research can always be done. the question is whether or not the synthetic turf is safe. we have 14 studies on our website that says we can find no negative health effects. >> pro athletes and school kids are playing on more than 5,000 crum rubber fields. new york city parks and los angeles schools no longer install the surface. other cities with the turf say it's cheaper and more durable than grass and provides more
space for kids to play. he wants his girls to play soccer and worries about their exposure. >> our oldest is 4 years old and i wouldn't want her to be a goalkeeper. >> no way i would put my kid on that turf until i knew more. why can't they? >> this research is extremely expensive and difficult to do. many of the people we spoke to think it is something that the federal government needs to steep up and handle. both the epa and the consumer product safety commission have done studies in the past and now people like casey sullivan and coach griffin are asking them to now step up and take charge of this. >> that's an amazing story. thank you so much. appreciate it. stephanie goss. still ahead, how to build a business where everyone is a winner. the chairman of the container store joins the economic system.
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>> let me bring that back to you. wages are stagnant. that's not going up. >> the last report when it came to that. i would point out i'm like you. it got hit really, really hard and it fell 25% almost in a day weighs of weak steals. how long do you think you can keep wages as high as that compared to the rest of the retail sector? are they under threat at all? >> the store sales were down 4/10 of 1%, 1.5% below where we thought they were. a little sluggishness in sales right now. you have sluggish sales presidentperiod cally. >> how do you get wages up?
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heritage month. great to have you on the show. >> how are you? good morning. >> i have been following your career since you were gabby on "desperate housewives." my brother is obsessed with you. >> good! >> is there any gabrielle in eva? please say no. >> no, no, no. it was fun playing her because she was selfish and a runway model. i'm 5'2". >> you were great and you have done a lot since then. this friday you are hosting the alma awards. that will be fun and you have great chemistry. i am wondering if he is that nice in real life. >> mario? no, he's not. >> i figured. it wasn't possible. >> he's the great and the greatest cohost. he's just easy to work with and
fun and energetic and i'm always and here we go. he's always on. >> that's a lot of energy. good luck with that. you guys are both great performers and you bring so much to the table, but there so many incredible people that you will be honoring that night. it's a big night. >> we are very excited. we will be on msnbc live. the alma awards, this is the 15th year doing it. we are the only awards show that celebrates the positive images in television and film and music. it's important that we define in the media how we want to be represented, especially in a time where news cycles constantly portray latinos as a certain way. we want to counter that with the celebrating and the applauding
of everybody doing so much and contributing so much to pop culture. for us it's important. >> how is it exactly that they don't feel connected to the process or what is maybe the flip side to the question. what's the opportunity that politicians are missing. >> that's a great question because both things actually are very important. apathy and the future turn out of hispanic voters. so sometimes when you look at a congress like we have right now, people get disillusioned with the process. that's where this thought comes in of my vote doesn't really count. look, i didn't make a difference. things are still not happening. there is so much good luck. that's disappointing, but i people when i go across the country that politics is not a speck stator sport. you cannot have the ball and play unless you are voting. i think in 2012 we had a
historic turn out for the latino community, but now in the mid-terms, that falls off. obviously across the board in general it falls off, but you can't elect the president of the united states and fail to show up for the people he has to work with. >> you spoke at the convention and there has been a lot of ugliness in washington and a lot not getting done in washington. is there any best case scenario given the realities of washington in terms of immigration reform that you can see happening? >> yes. there was so much momentum out of 2012. i thought when people asked me, will immigration reform get done? absolutely. everybody is on board. there is bipartisan efforts and then to see it fall apart was just so disappointing. for many reasons. not only the economics it will
have on our country, but the normal imperative of what's happening with the people when you look at the amount of children and the crisis we just had. so i think the only way that i would have hope is to have a good turn out in 2014. >> and more stepping up from the latino community. >> thank you. >> the 2014 nclr alma awards. 10:00 eastern time and 10:00 p.m. pacific. we will watch eva and mario and other fantastic leaders coming to the stage. we'll be right back.
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bicyclists still account for fewer than 1% of all commuters. that will it for this friday edition of rove's conjecture is based on fajts. hillary clinton did go after a concussion in 2012. and she showed strange behavior in her testimony of the benghazi scandal. she had a mastery of facts all while wearing those stupid glasses. these things are like orthopedic shoes for your face. you would have to be brain damaged to wear those. or nearsighted. and hillary's shown signs of mental frailty before. look at these pants she wore in the 1970s.
girl, that is a traumatic fashion injury. >> good morning, everything. it is may 16th. end of the week. with us on set to celebrate, washington anchor for bbc world news america and co-author of "the confidence code," katty kay. and also msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. and associated press's julie. first here's an instagram. >> retiring as always. >> but willie, it's just mind boggling "the new york times" has conducted themselves in this. first of all the firing, and then the follow-up to the firing offering statements that you
would think a third rate politician would offer only to get punctured by organizations like "the times." do they not expect that their faults and misleading statements wouldn't get blown out of the water by people like ken auletta? >> ken auletta we had on after his initial post. he updated that post yesterday. part of the argument from "the times" is said it was not true that abramson was paid less than his predecessor. ken with his sources found the numbers. and it turns out that as executive editor jill abramson's starting salary was $475,000 compared to bill keller's that same year $559,000. >> i'm not good with math with alabama, but what is that? like $70,000? $80,000? >> $85,000 difference for the same job. >> and you dig in deeper, and
doesn't ken also find out that jill actually made less money in earlier positions than men she was supervising. >> ken auletta reports she made $398,000 which was less than that of a male managing editor for news operations. >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say that in the newspaper hierarchy, they're running the news gathering operations and supervising reporters would be expected to make more. it's a more crucial job. obviously the other job is important too. but poorly handled, i'd say. >> and then you go, katty, even beyond the actual firing and the cause for the firing, "the times" puts out a statement from their fearless leader who says, well, her asking for more money had absolutely nothing to do with her being fired.
and then ken auletta talks to the spokesperson for "the times" who at first argued there was no real compensation gap. but then conceded, quote, this was a contributing factor to the firing of abramson because it was part of a pattern. and that incident was jill finally giving up and having to hire a lawyer to go in and try to get equal pay at "the new york times." it's stunning that "the times" all day yesterday were telling everybody inside and outside of the newsroom that this had nothing to do with her being fired, the fact she came and actually asked to be paid the same as a man. and by last night, ken auletta and the new yorker, the spokesperson to "the times" admits this was a contributing factor because it was a pattern.
it's a stunning story. stunning mismanagement. >> stunning mismanagement. and i think that "the times" is going to feel a backlash. i wouldn't be surprised if women subscribers to "the times" are looking closely this morning at their subscriptions to that newspaper. certainly women within the organization i've spoken to say they're blind sided by this. that there's a real sense they've been let down as women in the organization. that there's still an old boys culture at "the times." they are stunned. i had one "new york times" reporter woman saying she was very depressed by what happened. they're very disappointed in the organization. the brutality of the fierg alone. >> how it was handled, the brutality of the firing. two guys sitting together, one guy not liking how a woman inside was treating him. he complains. the other guy fires the lady who
had to get a lawyer to try to get paid the same. who had been underpaid her entire stellar tenure at "the new york times." and then again the most damning blow for the men and women is that "the times" leadership put out statements that just weren't truthful. "the new york times" lied trying to cover up their own mess. saying there's no compensation problem. >> that's not a factor and it is now acknowledged to be a factor. "the times" frankly was being very cute in arthur salzburger's statement about the total compensation. apparently one has to surmise lumping in any bonus she might have gotten any stock. which of course are all dependent on what kind of year the newspaper is having. and so i know, for example, "the washington post" when manager's bonus was cut in half or didn't come at all because of lean
years in the newspaper business. keller, her predecessor was in that office for a lot of lean years. so it's possible you could look at the figures and say her stock options eventually might have been worth more than his. but it's salary to salary. >> they're being too clever. >> yeah. >> when she has to go hire a lawyer, gene, i mean, she has to hire a lawyer to try to get equal pay for the position her male counterpart had. >> if you recall the way the firing was handled, you use the word brutality. and i'm afraid that's probably kind of right. last time arthur salzburger had to fire an executive editor, that was after the worst plagiarism scandal in the newspaper. one of the worst in the modern history of american journalism along with ours of janet cook.
but he was given a sendoff in the newsroom and the staff got to applaud and recitation of many triumphs as executive editor. jill abramson had none of that. eight pulitzer prizes in her years there. >> she didn't want to be there for that. >> you can mention it. >> you could rightly ask how "the new york times" defends now that we have the salary numbers. that spokesperson for "the new york times" says you don't look at salary, you look at total compensation which includes bonuses, stock grants, and other long-term incentives. you can't deny and "the new york times" hasn't denied this yet that the baseline salary was much less. >> but you do look at the salary. the other things, it's not like keller didn't have the opportunity. the paper just wasn't doing as well for the bonuses.
when jill got there the paper started doing better. in large part because keller did some great work and set it on a strong path. but it's not like they gave her -- >> i think there's also the issue, the fact that character has been raised in the case of jill abramson. i can't think of a senior male executive that has been fired on character grounds or where character has been raised as part of the issue. they're fired for competence or lack of success on the job but not for being described as pushy or aggressive. but certainly character has been raised in the case of this woman that are not generally raised. >> in an earlier story it was said she demanded to know why certain stories competitors had were not in "the new york times." shocked. i'm shocked. >> lord forbid. >> i have never demanded that when i was an editor. i never asked my staff why a newspaper had a story.
who would do such a thing? >> all right. so julie, let me go to you here. i think it's stunning that, you know, "the times" first says there's no real compensation gap, but then again said when a woman asked to get the same amount of money as her male counterpart for the same job, that is spokeswoman for "the new york times" would say, quote, this incident was a contributing factor because it was part of a pattern. that's -- men kick down doors and demand raises every day. i've just never heard of any man being fired because he asked to be paid the same as coworker. >> absolutely. the whole conversation is just so tough to even listen to as a younger woman in journalism. i look to people like jill,
other women who have risen through the ranks. it's still a very small number. the combination of the numbers that we're seeing now on salary and as katty said, just the adjectives that are being used to describe her. these are adjectives that we hear come up with powerful women a lot. you always feel there is some sort of undertone there that if they're being used about a man would be used as a positive description. i give "the new york times" reporter who is are covering this story a lot of credit. i think they're doing a really good job in a really tough situation where you're having to cover your own employer doing something that has not been handled well at all. >> except for the fact, julie, that they've got a guy from another magazine that's scooping them. >> sure. but they're trying to get information out of people that are obviously giving contradictory statements or when you look at the original statements using language that
is clearly very precise in order to put a more positive spin on these numbers. >> again, i mean, chris christie had done something like this in his office, "the times" would have shredded him to pieces. >> and "the times" claiming disclosure. they have to do better on transparency. >> to point out one final quick thing, a few years ago i could have listed any number of female top editors in major papers in the country. there was a good long list. they're all gone. there's one i can think of, mindy, editor of "the miami herald." great editor.
but just a bunch of top female editors have either moved on or in the case of jill abramson have been dismissed. >> we need a column on what's happening at national newspapers from you. should we move on now to other news. there's now a potential criminal component to the controversy surrounding the va hospital in phoenix. federal prosecutors are looking into allegations the medical center kept a secret waiting list to cover up for long delays for veterans looking for care. the report claims it led to deaths. those disclosures came from the inspector general followed by the testimony. by eric shinseki. shinseki was grilled by the senate veterans affairs committee. he told lawmakers he's as angry as anyone. >> any allegation, any adverse
incident like this makes me mad as hell. i could use stronger language, but i won't. if any allegations are true, they're completely unacceptable. if any are substantiated by the inspector general, we will act. >> do you believe that you're ultimately responsible for all this? >> i am. >> would you explain to me after knowing all this information why you should not resign? >> well, i tell you, senator, that i came here to make things better for veterans. i intend to continue this mission until i'm satisfied. either that goal or i'm told by the commander in chief that my time has been served. >> willie, he looked mad as hell there. >> maybe he didn't show the fire some people wanted to see. he's a four star general. does he care about veterans?
of course he does. but right now his best isn't good enough. it's clear to me a lot of people think he should step aside, it's not clear to me anyone could fix the bureaucracy at the va. as we saw those pictures yesterday with stacks and stacks of paper that looks like an office from 40 years ago, there's not a system in place to process these claims. we have great doctors working at the va, great medical personnel who in in cases, you know, fore went other careers to make good money. they cannot handle the sheer claims of people coming in and people are dying because of it. >> if you actually get in the system, there are positive things said about the system once you're in it. but it's the backlog. and it's the fact they're operating in 19th century filing with stacks and stacks. >> exactly. there are a few -- we've heard before of a few corners of the federal government that still operate this way in this system.
but the va is a big thing. and with a vital and important mission. you know, that it hasn't had had more of a technological upgrade. and that it didn't anticipate that when, for example, we're going to have two simultaneous foreign wars, we're going to have a lot of veterans coming home, they're going to need a kind of medical treatment that frankly wouldn't have needed in the past because a lot simply would have died in earlier wars. but because of quicker sort of triage that survived with traumatic brain injury and other kinds of problems, that the va needs to handle it. >> you're right. the actual system when you get into it, is one of the most popular bits of the american health care system.
people always talk about european socialism when it comes to health care. but this government-run part of the health care system is one of the bits that people actually like when they manage to start getting into it. >> yeah. they just aren't having good luck getting into it. we'll see what happens. i'm going to ask before we go a break, gene, i'm looking at the front of "the new york times." it is a paper i read every day. if i had "the washington post," i'm sure i'd read that too. but it's a paper i read every day along with "the wall street journal." i don't see any article on the -- >> b-1. >> you say b-1. >> yeah. >> you're right. it's not on the front page. >> it moved back to the business front today. >> to the left. >> "times" seeks to reassure its staff. okay. has a strong -- okay. strong counternarrative that emerged in the news media
including on "morning joe." and "the new yorker." so the question now is, you know, ken auletta, that came last night. if you're at "the post" and you're the editor of the editorial page and you find out the publisher of your news put out a statement that was false, what's the news meeting this morning? >> a little crazy. >> "the times" has been covering up the truth for the past two days about salary. they've been putting out statements that are clever. do you not have a responsibility as a newspaper person to go after your paper? >> i can pretty much guarantee that this conversation is being had and has been had at "the times." and that the newsroom of "the times," no inside information here, but based on my experience
at "the post," they absolutely feel they have a responsibility to "a," get to the bottom of it, and "b," to really do some probing journalism. not an easy thing to do, but they have the mandate to do that or they better have the mandate to do that. at "the post" when we've had horrible, embarrassing things like the janet cook episode in 1981, you know, we set loose no holds barred to do what ended up being a withering indict of management. >> which i'm sure margaret will end up doing at "the times." >> well, i am sure she would. >> but the question is day-to-day how do you -- because you've got the greatest reputation in the world at this newspaper, the greatest reporters in the world at this newspaper and they have been set
up in the words of the grateful dead, set up and knocked down by bowling pins by their own publisher who is playing, you know, ceo coverup games. >> if i'm a media reporter at "the new york times" and i see that post from ken auletta that directly contradicts what the publisher has said and what "the times" spokes people have been putting out, i blow my top. and i begin working -- >> you have to go after them, don't you? >> and you have to go after including those numbers that auletta got from the source. you go after those numbers. and, you know, you do it. i mean, i assume that's what they're doing. >> and it came in time for the front page this morning. >> they certainly did. >> we are reading them last night. it should have been on the first page today. which i why i asked the question. they're telling yesterday's story instead. if this were again coming from
trenton, it would have been on the first page today. coming up on "morning joe," if the nba thought clippers owner donald sterling would go gently into that night, think again. he plans to fight his punishment. also this scene was months in the making. what syrian rebels pulled off against president assad's army. and in news you can't use, idaho gubernatorial debate you won't want to miss. why this primary candidate stole the show and why he was even on the debate stage last night. willie, i may be wearing that after this weekend. but first here's bill kairns with a check on the forecast. >> but not wearing that outfit. >> that's one of the funniest things i've seen. the rain this morning, it is just torrential coming down right through washington, d.c. there's a sheets of rain, it's like a tropical down pour right over the beltway. so if you can wait a bit before you head out, there's a lot of
water on the roads right now. we've had almost 4 inches of rain at dulles. at reagan about an inch and a half. it is pouring as you can see. the green is the rain. the oranges and yell los are heavy rain. again, that's going to be slowly passing to the east during your morning commute. but it's going very slow. next stop will be up towards wilmington, delaware. let me try to break down the timing of all this wet weather for you. flood watches are up from new york to d.c. the red and the oranges show the heaviest rain. still over the chesapeake just entering philadelphia. by 5:00 p.m. entering new york city. as you try to drive home from work and school today. then in boston by early tomorrow morning. it will clear out by saturday afternoon. in other words, it's a soaker. a lot of airport problems expected. especially in new england as we go throughout the day. and out west, fire videos are
incredible. it was 102 in downtown l.a. one of the hottest temperatures ever recorded in l.a. still fire danger today. it will be about 90 and then 70s over the weekend. your forecast, today is the worth of it with the travel trouble in the east. by the time we get into saturday and sunday, the weather pattern finally returns to normal springlike conditions. 60s, 70s, 80s. not expecting any tornado outbreaks any time soon. just a bit of shower activity on sunday down there in the southeast. but bottom line, if you're traveling this morning around washington, d.c., this is what reagan international airport looks like. more "morning joe" when we come back. ♪
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welcome back to "morning joe." let's check out some of the morning papers. "wall street journal," growing concerns today that syria is hiding chemicals weapons. john kerry says he has seen evidence although not verified that chemical attacks continue. meanwhile the civil war rages on with new video showing rebels setting off a massive bomb under a military base. 60 tons of explosives were detonated inside a tunnel which fighters had been digging for months. >> are we to take action if they use chemical weapons again? "the new york times," thousands of steel workers are now in control of a city in eastern ukraine re-taking the city from pro-russian militants. employees of the richest man in ukraine fears an economic
slowdown if they lose trading ties with europe. the country's army also launched two bases. >> issues a recall for 2.7 million vehicles. the move comes as the company continues to respond to the ignition switch default which is linked to the deaths of 13 people. gm recalled more than 11 million vehicles this year in the u.s. and 13 million worldwide. >> from "usa today," fast food workers walked off the job yesterday in a call for higher wages. they're asking for a raise to $15 an hour and the ability to unionize without retaliation. at least 17 chains in the $200 billion fast food industry have been targeted including mcdonald's, burger king, and wendy's. >> the summer air travel forecast at its highest level in years. anticipating 210 million passengers will fly between june
1st and august 31st. that's the highest level since before the recession in 2007. nearly 30 million passengers are expected to travel internationally. >> and no upgrades in the airports which means it's going to be chaos. "sports illustrated" reports that donald sterling plans to ignore the nba's sanctions and possibly sue the league. sterling hired a prominent lawyer that says his client has not violated any part of the constitution writing no punishment is warranted. and that sterling's due process rights have been violated. it also says he has no intention of paying the $2.5 million fine. >> and in this weekend's "parade" magazine, guy fieri shares his tips how to prepare for summer outdoor cooking from his new book. now joining us, politico's john
harris. >> hey, willie. i scooted out to see you in the morning with monsoons out there. >> my gosh. look at that. that's a live picture of the white house. it is bad. gene, you made the right call coming up here. it's going to get bad later today too. let's talk business. there's a tight race for the seat once held by gaby give ford. how does ta shake out? >> well, barber used to work for giffords and was shot and nearly killed in that incident in 2011. that at least the first time he ran established a powerful relationship with voters. romney won this district in 2012. what sent our reporters out to tucson. that bond is with the passage of time. he's running against a strong
opponent, former air force pilot. she is saying she is more in keeping with the giffords' legacy of tough independent minded women. this race looks to be very close. >> so her name is martha mcsally. she's an air force fighter pilot and used by a lot of people as a star. >> no question about it. she ran a close race in 2012. we're wondering now with the passing of time with the shooting receding into the past whether she has the upper hand in 2014. >> all right. john harris with a look inside the politico playbook. thanks so much. still ahead, it may be one of the most bizarre debates in american history. paper headlines describing it as magical, surreal, and life-changing. wow. we're talking about idaho politics in news you can't use. coming up, it was do or die for the los angeles clippers. they needed a win against the thunder to extend their bizarre season in this donald sterling world. could they do it and force a
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russell westbrook gives the thunders their first lead since the first quarter. oklahoma city takes over from there. kevin durant led the way with 39 points. they beat the clippers. ending the clippers season and that saga in los angeles. to d.c. for the pacers and wizards. pacers blow a lead. knocks down a three for the wizards. first lead since the first quarter. but indiana finishes on a 20-6 run. that's david west. he led with 29 points. the pacers beat the wizards, eliminate washington. the thunder head to san antonio. so you have the two best teams in each conference after all the one and two seeds playing in the finals. baseball, couple of tight leads yesterday. yankees and mets in the subway series.
alfonso soriano, runner comes around. the yankees take a 1-0 lead. yankees shut out for the second game in a row. also a couple of walkoff wins yesterday. check them out. >> now the pitch. base hit to right center. one run is in. they're going to try to score. here's the throw. he's in there! >> to left field. suzuki heading around third. he's coming in. aaron hicks is the walkoff runner today. >> out to the left. going back, it is gone! walkoff style. and the angels pick up the victory. >> angels beat the rays in that one. you saw the twins beating boston in extras. and the brewers beating the pirates. to an update on that heroic cat we showed you yesterday. the pet that saved the toddler.
the bakersfield blaze is honoring the cat by having her throw out the ceremonial first pitch. that's tara the cat that saved the boy from the neighborhood dog will throw out the pitch. >> am i allowed to ask an obvious question? >> we don't know how that will go. maybe put the ball on the ground at bat at it a bit? i don't know. zblmplgt zblmplgt still ahead, nike is trying to become soccer's biggest responser. bad for adidas. but first mika's must read opinion pages. we'll be right back. ♪ when sales rep steve hatfield books at laquinta.com,
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not a pretty shot in washington, d.c. and it's coming our way in new york too. going to be an ugly friday along the east coast. with us here, though, tho cheer us up and make everything sunny where every day really is sunshine, with mika's must-read opinion pages we have the current assistant editor and the soon to be u.s. managing editor starting in september for "the financial times." we expect that she will be paid as much as whoever formerly held that job. i want to go to "f" and get your thoughts on your thoughts on what china should do. and tell us what's behind that. because, of course, whenever i give speeches over the past five years and people china's going to overtake america.
i say excuse me, is this 1988? this is the same exact thing we were hearing about japan in 1988 and 1989. how does china avoid making the same mistakes japan made? >> well, what is fascinating is anyone who thinks back to 1988 and '89 remembers this as japan is number one. that was the title of the book. and was exactly the same hyperbole around china right now. and japan faces a huge problem which is a property bubble, a credit bubble which makes what happened in america almost look modest. they face a horrendously difficult job in trying to find a way to deflate that property bubble without creating a real economic recession. frankly people might say what do we care about china? does it matter if they have a property bubble that goes burst? one thing we learned in 2008 is when mortgages went wrong in
america, the impact was felt across the world. if china's property bubble goes bust, believe me, americans will feel it. >> willie, as you like to say when it comes to these property bubbles, if someone sneezes in beijing, they're getting a cold in birmingham, england. >> yeah. as the old saying goes. in birmingham. >> they love the governor. >> we've heard so much over the last few years that china holds so much of our debt, that they have us over a barrel. does that remain true and how big a prob is that for the united states? >> well, what is clear is the united states and china are locked in this very tight embrace. and frankly, neither can afford to see the other economy go down. because they are so inter-dependent right now. so unfortunately what happened in china does matter. the chinese authorities have actually got a pretty good pragmatic plan for dealing with
these challenges. in fact, there was a survey of executives done a couple years ago that suggested that american chief executives have more respect for the ability of the chinese government to come up with a proactive plan than they do for their own congress. the question is can china actually manage these? >> i guess china can come up with a plan and actual implement it. we can't come up with a 40-day plan. >> and we don't have the power to take people out back and shoot them either. >> we have to deal with congress and the other party there is an issue between japan and china. to what extent does the fact we're dealing with the over-population of people consumers who have been given access to markets make the parallels between japan in the '90s and china today not totally accurate. >> it's the size issue. and the question of whether
china has enough resources to deal with any property bubble. but there's something to think about, when pointing out the consumers, americans think of china as a competitive threat because of all those jobs going out there to chinese factories. if china actually does carry on growing and there isn't the property bubble crash, it could be a fantastic source of demand for american-made goods. and that's something everyone should celebrate. >> let's look at another of our must reads. charles krauthammer writing about the sound and fury and tweet. in hash tagging one's indignation about some outrage abroad an exercise in merle narcissism or worthy new way of standing up to the bad guys. it's simply embarrassing when the state department spokeswoman tweets the #united for ukraine. that is nothing but preening
rhetorical fatuousness. it has betrayed both its impotence enindifference. but if you're an individual citizen without power, if you lack access to media, drones, or special forces, then hash tagging your solidarity is fine. >> growing frustration in all corners from an administration that doesn't seem to be able to do anything but lead from behind on the international stage. do you sense a growing frustration in the house that you cover? >> well, there is definitely a growing frustration there, but i think it's more a frustration with what they see as the politpublic and the classes misunderstanding of the foreign policy. there's a lot of work did being done on a speech that the president is giving at west point at commencement there.
they're casting this as a speech that's supposed to explain his foreign policy to the public. at this point in the presidency if you're having to give speeches about foreign policy, if you're in good shape here. this hash tag and twitter is fascinating because people say what's the point of it. i go back to the situation with nigeria, though. i think that without twitter, without what people were doing on social media, we would not even be talking about the options available to the u.s. it simply was not in the public dialogue. >> you know what's so fascinating, preparing for this speech, the criticism of the obama administration from foreign leaders at least over the past five years has been the fact that i've heard one diplomat after another, one foreign leader after another say they think they can give the speech and the speech is the ends instead of a means to the
end. so they go home after they make the speech, that's it. you're talking about a response. they're all prepping for a speech at the end of may. that would provide little comfort to foreign leaders, i think. >> absolutely. this does tend to be sort of the go-to solution for this white house. what they see as the solution is there's a problem, there's a misunderstanding, a misconception about their policy, let's give a piece and explain it. i will have to cover this speech and i wonder how much will be different, how much will be new, and how much it will clarify about a policy we've all been covering for five and a half years already. >> and the next day he'll really turn the focus to jobs. thank you for being here. congratulations on your promotion that's coming up. if you want to make sure you get paid the same -- >> i will ask mika. >> i was go i think to say ask mika. >> exactly. >> have her go in first. it's scary. well, thank you. and congratulations.
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♪ time for a little news you can't use. the race for republican nomination for governor of idaho just got more interesting. it was already interesting. >> a lot of people were saying we were not going to get our act together, that we were going to
have bizarre candidates. i don't think so. you want the answer, you go to idaho. you'll see what the future of my party is. >> i give you -- i give you candidate harley brown. >> i don't like political correctness. can i say this? it sucks. your proverbial turd in a punch bowl. i'm proud of it and i'm going for the voter, the real people out there. not these bondage type people who don't have a clue about picking up strangers at night and hauling them god knows where. i need practice. practice. i don't want to say stuff like sorry if my bombing caused you any inconvenience. and you have your choice, folks. a cowboy, a bike, or a normal guy. take your pick. thank you very much. we're leaving it up to you. >> there it is.
there it is. harley brown, everybody. >> did we hear from the curmudgeon at all? >> it was the repetition of bondage and leather that's disconcerting. >> it struck me as hypocritical to be against bondage but wearing that getup. >> i like everything about the guy. >> he's got gene's vote. >> if that's the future of the republican, joe, i'm good with that. >> harley brown has some off-colored jokes on his website. he was confronted about those because i guess they target a specific group. he said wait a minute, i hate every day. jews, polish, everybody, irish, italians. religious jokes. he makes jokes about all of them. governor butch odder admitted he wanted those lesser known candidates in the spotlight to
share the spotlight. meanwhile the debate was on a 30-second delay because of mr. brown's tendency to curse and use bigoted language. couple things on his platform, i was just reading up on him. he's worried about armageddon. that's number one. and number two, discrimination against biker clubs. which i thought we settled that in the courts a long time ago. >> i thought we did too. wasn't that griswold v. harley. >> but he loves america and freedom. >> he does. my gosh. idaho. the gem state, ladies and gentlemen. >> by the way, contraceptions, those too. but it was about biker clubs. they just threw that in towards the end. coming up at the top of the hour, more bondage. no. we're getting back to serious matters. va secretary eric shinseki says he's mad as hell, but did his testimony yesterday help stem
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commercials and like kool-aid you love him as a kid, but you got to stop doing that. we're on the air. you can't do that crinkly thing. >> it's like in the cinema. >> it is. >> "morning joe" contributor mark halperin. we've got some questions for you in a few minutes, but first let's go to the news. >> the latest on jill abramson. there is more fallout today after the firing of executive editor jill abramson. "the times" is now waging a pr battle to save face after reports she was dismissed because she complained about receiving less pay than her male predecessor. yesterday they tried to reassure staffers that there was no foul play writing in a memo, quote, it is simply not true that jill's compensation was less than her predecessors. her pay is comparable than that to executive editors. in fact, in 2013 her last full year in the role, her total compensation package was more
than 10% higher than that of her predecessor bill keller in his last full year as executive editor which was back in 2010. it was also higher than his compensation than in any previous year. but the new yorker's ken auletta writes arthur salzburger and abramson had a fraught relationship almost from the start of her tenure as editor. he found her lacking in finesse in management of people in the paper. but clearly a last straw came a few weeks ago when abramson decided to hire a lawyer to complain that her salary was not equal to that of her predecessor bill keller. abe romson's starting salary in 2007 was $85,000 less than keller's at the time he stepped
down. abramson learned she made less than her male counterpart. and salary as bureau chief was $100,000 less than her predecessor in the same position. she hasn't spoken publicly about her firing, but her daughter responded with this photo on instagram highlighting what she calls her mom's new hobby with the hash tag pushy. >> lets get a quick comment from you. i guess the thing that surprises me the most, well, the unequal pay surprises me for jill doing the same work men have been doing. but how clumsy -- let's start at the top with the publisher. how clumsy the firing was. some people think she was pushy. well, they knew he was pushy before they hired her. they knew she was tough before they hired her. they knew what kind of newsroom they were going to run before they hired her.
and then to have a clumsy statement put out and ken auletta chop it to little bits last night with his second post, i don't understand. i'll ask you what i asked gene. don't the reporters inside "the times" now have a responsibility to go after their own publisher and piranhas? and tear away until they get at the truth. >> i'm working on my predecessor and mum. i want those both in my vocabulary. i don't know all the facts. i think there's confusion. i don't think that it's really a problem. it might just be structured differently. >> she hired a lawyer because she was not getting paid the same. >> jill is one of the best journalists of our generation. and jill is a very tough person. and there have been plenty of top editors that rubbed people
the wrong way. i think that ushering her out not making -- giving her honor of worked in that tough job for a long time and doing well, i think that was a big mistake. and i think now they have to engage on the facts of her pay. they have to. they have no choice. the credibility of the paper as a public institution and the credibility of themselves as an employer is absolutely at issue. and they have lost the pr battle. but i'll say again we don't know all the facts. my suspicion is that they could not be so brazen as to not be telling the truth. that her total compensation was greater or comparable -- >> look at the words. the words are of politician training. >> then in the second round she said they overall more than bill. >> they also said in the first statement that her asking for more compensation had nothing to do with it. then in the second article last night they admitted that her getting a lawyer to get equal compensation as men was the last straw.
>> now they've taken that back too. >> oh. >> i'm not channelling ken's reporting and i'm not saying -- but i am saying we don't know all the facts. >> you're telling us nothing here. this is herald ford, i agree with all sides stuff. okay? >> i bet you that she made as much as bill keller did in overall compensation. >> one detail. one factual detail because i was noticing those statements. "the times" refers to keller's compensation in 2010. she took over in 2011. we know from auletta's piece what keller made in 2011. so there is a one-year discrepancy there in terms of comparing these numbers. so again, my question, i would be asking my publisher are we being cute here by saying 2010 instead of comparing to 2011. >> let's move to the next story.
okay. go. >> the other thing that would be interesting to find out is why on april 28th, the ceo sent jill abramson this e-mail saying i'm going to try to convince you to stay on for two more years and two weeks later she's out. what happened in that intervening period? >> asked for salary and then she's kicked out. >> let's be honest about one thing. morale at the paper are not great now. and their digital efforts have not been good under her leadership. so there are other reasons why besides -- >> we could debate this. they're making money off the digital sites now. and that's another thing. the publisher puts his son in to do a hit job on jill abramson and what kind of digital leadership she's providing. >> morale at the paper was not good under jill. >> if only it could be as good as it was under howard raines.
>> he was seen as a bully. neither were fired for character issues. he lost his job after plagiarism. >> he lost it because of plagiarism. not because he was a bully around the newsroom. everybody knew he was a bully around the newsroom. and why did the publisher hire another person that's seen as a, quote, bully around the newsroom if he doesn't like bullies around the newsroom? and then how can he come back a couple years later and say we can't keep her here because she was a bully around the newsroom. when that was her reputation that she was tough as hell. >> i find it hard to find any males fired for character issues. let's move on. republicans are looking to assert ahead of the movement gathered in washington to express concern over the party's future. among them senators ted cruz and
mike lee. along with representatives from a number of national organizations. in many cases establishment candidates are winning the day. thom tillis took down his tea party challenger in north carolina. and more establishment republicans look to be in good shape. in colorado, kansas, and kentucky. in georgia the leading candidates are both considered more moderate than their challengers. conservatives are now worried about a, quote, softened message that could with attempts to broaden their appeal. activists are calling on the party to recommit to principles on lower taxes, same-sex marriage, a balanced budget, and immigration. as ted cruz frames it, quote, some say yea our team is winning. but we win when we stand for principle and we lose when we give into washington status. >> like last fall. the government shoutdown. more moral victories like that.
anyway, the thing is i like at a lot of these candidates wanting republican primaries and they are still conservatives. they're not redefining rape as republican candidates did over the past couple years. none of them are going on tv saying i am not a witch. these are mainstream conservative men and women that could win a general election and send harry reid home. if you were a republican right now, your goal is to send harry reid home and you're not thinking like jim demint once said i'd rather have 30 people in the senate that think like me than a majority. >> there are up to 13 states where it looks like they'll have nominees who are plausible candidates that can win. who aren't so far saying outrageous things and they're plenty conservatives. there are no arlen specters being nominated. so the party, i think at this
point has to be pretty happy. i think a lot of these divisions are overstated. it's a conservative party on economics. that's what the party is running on. >> i have no problem, either, katty kay, with conservatives getting out there and doing exactly what they were doing yesterday and pushing. because obviously i went after establishment republicans forever because they spent too much money and turned their back on core principles. but right now there are a lot of republicans looking to the election saying let's nominate people who can actually win elections. because if we don't win elections, we can't shape the country, we can't shape the court, we can't control the senate. >> the other thing i'm hearing is republicans are specifically looking for people that are seen as people who can get things done. and that actually an element of cooperation and effectiveness is a prime thing that voters -- voters are looking for strategists as well. >> we shall see. okay. >> there is now a potential criminal component to the controversy surrounding the va hospital in phoenix. federal prosecutors are looking into allegations the medical
center kept a secret waiting list to cover up for long days for care. led to dozens of preventable deaths. those disclosures came from the inspector general following testimony yesterday by the department secretary eric shinseki. shinseki was grilled by the senate veterans affair committee. he told lawmakers he is as angry as anyone. >> any allegation, any adverse incident like this makes me mad as hell. i could use stronger language here, but in deference to the committee, i won't. if any allegations are true, they're completely unacceptable. if any are substantiated by the inspector general, we will act. >> with us now from my hometown of pensacola, florida, the chairman of the house committee on veterans affairs, congressman jeff miller.
so good to have you here. >> good morning, joe. >> how's our hometown? how's pensacola doing after the flooding? >> well, folks are getting back to normal. unfortunately it's going to be a long way to go before people are actually some of them back in their homes. your hold house on piedmont was flooded. had about five foot of water in it. >> it's unbelievable. you talk about a river runs through it, gene. it was literally just a river. >> never happened before. >> never had standing water even in hurricanes. let's talk for the reason we called you. that was shinseki's testimony on capitol hill. what did you hear yesterday that you're going act on? >> i saw a very terrible appearance and performance by the secretary of veterans
affairs. i don't know that he is capable of making the change that needs to be made to the bureaucracy that exists out there. they are still in a defensive mode. they're not coming forward and telling all of the facts. yesterday now we hear that three other people have put on leave in gainesville at the va hospital down there for keeping a second waiting list in the mental health area. >> what i don't understand, we had john on, there seemed to be quite a few people, jeff, who are circling the wagons for a system that is just indefensible. for a secretary whose record over the past couple years is indefensible as well. we've been talking about this, you and i privately now for a year or two. you've been talking about the terrible challenges that veterans are facing and what you're doing to try to help out. but things aren't getting better fast enough. isn't it time for a change at the top? >> well, i've said that i'm not
ready to call for the secretary's resignation, but yesterday it's very clear that one of two things are happening. either the secretary is not being told the truth by his subordinates and i think that is probably more so the case than anything else. or he just isn't able to move the bureaucracy of 330,000 employees in a direction that is much more acceptable for veterans that they're supposed to be serving. >> let's bring in our pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. jim, you talked about general shinseki just didn't seem to get it. you look at that testimony yesterday and he just almost a flat effect there. and i saw exactly what you were talking about. i'm sure more questions are going to be raised and the biggest question is why does the obama administration want him to stay in this position after
failing as much as he did over the past couple years? >> i must say each time shinseki says he's not going to resign, he sounds more determined as opposed to just saying i serve at the pleasure of the president. you know, as we've said before, the va is the most entrenched bureaucracy probably in the u.s. government. and i talked to several veterans there at the hearing yesterday who said they've become so frustrated at their inability to get access to the va medical system that they've abandoned the system entirely and gone off in an entirely different direction. and i had a very brief conversation with senator john mccain in the hallway up there in the dirksen building. and he said the only solution to this, we can't dissolve the va, we don't have enough money to fund everything that the va needs, is to provide veterans with some kind of alternative.
some kind of federal programs that are alternative to the va. and already one veteran i talked to said that he worked it so he could leave the va and re-enter the military's tricare which in his case provided about the same level of care, but it gave him instantaneous access. and actually lower prescription costs. so i think senator mccain has hit on something here. whether you get rid of shinseki or not may not make a difference at all unless that entire system itself is revamped. >> mark? >> congressman, i know you're not calling for the secretary to accept down, but give us a couple names of people you think could step in today, take over the department and fix this. >> well, i don't think it's time really to talk about people that would replace secretary shinseki. i think the important thing is it is such a large bureaucracy that one single person may not be able to do it.
in fact, we've got the give the veterans an option to get the health care where they want to get it when they want to get it. and the old method of forcing veterans to go where the va wants them to go in giving them the health care when the va wants them to get it is obviously failing the veterans. >> quickly, jeff, you also talked about more problems in central florida. give us a little bit more information about that. >> what the press is reporting down there now is that the administrators at the hospital in gainesville said, look. if there's a list out there, if there's a secret list or second list, come forward. we will give you amnesty, nobody will be penalized for it. which is not their job to give them amnesty. but, in fact, they found a list. the group that was down there that was doing the audit found a list and it dealt with mental health provision. >> man. it is a mess. jeff miller, thank you so much. we appreciate you coming on. and hope to see you very soon in pensacola or in d.c. to talk about this some more.
>> okay, joe. thank you. >> all right. jim miklaszewski, thank you as well. we greatly appreciate it. coming up in our 8:00 hour, six decades after brown v. board was decided, segregation in u.s. schools still a big problem and you're simply not going to believe which state has the biggest problem. education secretary arne duncan is here. he's going to be our guest to explain how it can be that new york state is the most segregated state in america. up next, our political round table with chuck todd, david gregory, and eugene. they'll explain what it means when he says hillary clinton is getting the gop treatment. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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she'll be 69 by the time the 2016 election. she will be 77 if she serves two terms. and this ends up being an issue. we don't know what the doctor said about what does she have to be concerned about. we don't know what -- she's hidden a lot. >> yeah, she's hidden a lot. who knows what other diseases we could wonder if she has. scurvy. gingivitis. could she have popcorn lung? >> scurvy. look into scurvy. >> it's a silent killer. >> she could have it. >> we don't know. >> we don't know. she could have it and mitt romney could still win. i mean, you look at the now the way it is right now. let's not jump to conclusions. >> let's count the vote and check the scurvy.
bumper sticker. >> she hasn't come out, karl rove pointed out, and denied she had scurvy. come on. >> what did she lie about? >> what is she hiding? >> madam secretary, what about the scurvy. >> there'll be silence. and then, you know -- >> no questions, no questions. >> we could have the clinton chronicl chronicles 2. the scurvy years. but no. they're not answering questions which makes us that much more suspicious. joining us from washington, d.c. to take a crack at scurvy gate that's now swirling around clinton headquarters, plooil political director and host of "daily rundown" chuck todd. and moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. yew jane robinson writes this. republican panic at the prospect
of facing hillary clinton in the 2016 race has suddenly reached godzilla nearing tokyo proportions. the election is more than two years away and clinton hasn't decided whether to run. but none of this matters to those launching the arsenal at her. they move beyond a record to simply making up stuff. the scurvy thing. >> like the scurvy thing. that's a good example. you're hearing more attacks on hillary clinton now than you are on president obama app and i think the reason is obvious. benghazi has now shifted to being all about hillary clinton. and lindsey graham yesterday up there with his -- demanding to
know thinking it's suspicious saying she was fatigued and didn't want to go on the sunday show after benghazi. because as we all know, she's a woman who never suffers from fatigue. scurvy maybe, but never fatigue. it's gotten silly, but i think it reflects the fact that at this point republicans don't seem to have a candidate who will necessarily give up much of a run if she wins. >> david gregory, there were obviously if hillary clinton we'll learn more about her health as will all the candidates. but if nothing else, this reminds us it's going to be a long two and a half years waiting to see if she runs and when she does run, things from a couple decades ago. >> this all happens before she's actually in. i think there's a couple things going on. i think, one, there are these shots across the bow. perhaps republicans would like to persuade her not to get into the race. while as eugene said, they're
trying to solidify both the qualities in a candidate that they want in finding those candidates. but i also think there's an attempt here to fire up the base in the midterm year. and the clintons are able to do that for them. still, they believe, especially around issues like benghazi or in the case of rove. i think just putting something in that he really wants to spread. and become a question that gets discussed as we're discussing here that starts to raise any kind of doubt. and again, make it very clear to the clintons, plural, that this is what's coming. she may not have a rough ride in the primarying, but republicans are going to start early and start often on making this very personal. >> chuck, karl's got mixed reviews about what he did. of all the efforts trying to slow down hillary clinton, maybe intimidate her or scare her out of the race, which ones do you think republicans see as most
effective now in terms of organizations and lines of attack? >> well, look. they're trying very hard, i think, to troo i to persuade her not to run. to me i think they've tipped their hand. look at nigeria. the nigeria school girls. what did the story become among some on the right. why didn't hillary clinton put boko haram on the terrorist list. it is, you name the story. one, they don't -- look. the side effect if she does run, republicans will say hey they've at least called into question her tenure as secretary of state. what was an asset in the middle of it, she was seen as an asset. her time was seen as an asset. they can possibly neutralize it or turn it into a liability. i think this whole strategy is about hoping against hope that she somehow gets talked out of doing it and she decides i don't
need this. i don't want to go through this. the clintons are ready. all right? it was a very aggressive pushback. forget what clinton did. he had a lighter touch, a little more humor. but the statement they put out. that told you we're not going to have a hope and change election in '08. we're going to have an ugly fight, '88, '92. think that. and the clinton team seems ready. they seem ready to fight that way. it's going to be an ugly race. i'm not looking forward to that tone and tenor in '16. >> president clinton did have a light touch, but i have not heard him revved up like that since he defended himself in '92. >> and he conflated everything. you attack her, look, it's just like white water. it's just like this. >> exactly. >> right. but they also decided, chuck to your point, which is that they
were going to go big in a response. they were not going to laugh it off. they were not going to do the typical response. on roe to send the message. this is how it's going to be if you come at us. and look at the duelling images. what are the excerpts she released about her book? it's about motherhood, the relationship with her own mother. this is still kind of the ongoing effort at who is her persona? how is she defining herself to the world and to the electorate? and you've got these competing visions of that. >> gene, you get the sense that any of this gives hillary clinton pause about running? i mean, she doesn't strike me as the kind of person that's terribly worried about an attack from karl rove. do you think she's thinking twice about whether or not she wants to go up there this process again? >> this is not her first rodeo. i don't think she's going to be intimidated out of the race.
clearly the clintons have been laying the ground work. and she's looking at it very hard. but i think she'll make the decision. and it won't be made for her by these kind of attacks. >> thank you so much. chuck, we'll be watching you on "the daily rundown" at 9:00 a.m. david, thank you as well. do you have coming up on "meet the press" this weekend? >> we'll talk more about this and the future of the republican party against hillary clinton with reince priebus. also claire mccaskill and more on the va as well. >> all right. can't wait for that. thank you so much. greatly appreciated. and still ahead, the world cup is just around the corner. nike is trying to become the biggest sponsor. we'll talk shoe wars and the billions of dollars involved. ♪ so i c
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a double digit lead over tom cotton. with 69% of the registered voters in arkansas believing the country to be headed in the wrong direction, incumbent and challenger alike will need to make the case as to how they can make the change. in georgia, michelle nunn finds herself locked in a dead heat with her likely gop opponents. next tuesday the republicans will nominate their candidate. david perdue leading a tight field of contenders. in kentucky, minority leader mitch mcconnell has a comfortable lead over matt bevin in the primary. the general election numbers show a tighter race with mcconnell and alison lundergan grimes. showing the opinions of registers voters. voter enthusiasm is the lowest in 20 years. come this fall, the emphasis turns from registered voters to likely voters. it's motivation that will be the real determining factor. guys, back to you. >> and it is motivation.
you look at these three states. democrats, let's say, have reason to be more motivated an excited to go to the polls. you've got three southern states that could go democratic. arkansas, georgia, and kentucky. as well as north carolina, but of course, couple points the other way breaks the other way. same with louisiana. suddenly you have republicans that can do really well. this is an election that is up for grabs. >> it is. >> in ways that senate elections nationwide are not usually up for grabs. >> that's right. you've got national ties on the republican side that could wash away the best democratic efforts. the reason the democrats have hope is you've got candidates like mark pryor fighting for his job, not being complacent. alison lundergan grimes and michelle nunn are women candidates in a year when democrats are trying to soak the gender gap. they're in there fighting.
>> willie, i'm surprised by that 11-point spread in arkansas. >> you're not surprised by that? >> pryor has been stronger than the national media has cast him. i don't think he's up 11. i don't think democrats would tell you he's up 11. but he's getting close to 50 and he's running a good campaign. but cotton's going to have to sell himself to arkansas voters. arkansas voters tend to stick with their incumbents. he's going to have one more big run taken at him by cotton. but it's not 11. >> all right. still ahead, gm's announcing another round of recalls bringing their total to 11 million vehicles this year. we're going to talk about how the company is trying to fix the issue in our 8:00 hour. and up next, why our next guest says we still need a full health care revolution. more "morning joe" when we return. ♪ i have low testosterone. there, i said it.
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♪ with us now cofounder and ceo of athena health who is also author of "where does it hurt." we've got our favorite chapter. you know what it has to be. >> what would "morning joe" choose. >> my cousin almost killed my company. >> he meant perfectly well. the intent of the law in the book, you know, this is where he's trying to figure out a good way of getting doctors to start adopting electronic medical records. and there's this law that makes it illegal for a hospital to give anything of value to a doctor. so he says there's going to be a break in the law. >> right.
>> you can give doctors those electronic medical records. and everyone starts getting exciting. in the law they left out anything internet based. athena health is a national internet based network. so all of the words, you could have actually -- it almost ended that you could have given the doctor any competitor of athena health but not athena. >> thanks, cousin. so the book's called "where does it hurt." we still have a major problem in health care in this country. how do we fix it? >> what's exciting, i think, is we're finally at a time we can do a lot of different things than we've done before. it's just kind of we're ready to have the baby now. it's time to start. because the government is sort of shot its effort out and it's exhausted.
okay, what are we going to do now? don't do anything. please sit still. but the internet is there. it's possible now to exchange information. and so it's possible for doctors and hospitals and even entrepreneurs from outside health care to come in and start doing what health care lacks. which is product managing. taking the thing and saying i'm going to be responsible for everything that happens. you can go down to florida. you can get some community in florida that's completely empty all summer long because it's built for the snow birds. and say you fly down here, you can stay at the ritz which is empty. you can have the complete procedure in our empty hospital and we'll do it for half price. it's suddenly possible for that kind of deal to be arranged and marketed and sold. that's what's missing in health care most. health care hurts because it's not an expression of our humanity. it's also because it's expensive. but for all that money, you
can't trip out your health care and say look at my coverage. you can anywhere else. >> the manual has not gone there yet. >> speak for yourself. i use my health care to hit on women all the time. pull out my card. they love it. so how do we control prices? i mean, obviously skyrocketing prices are probably the biggest problem with health care. it'sen unusual market place where you accept what they give you. you don't shop around. i don't know how much that hip costs. i don't know if there's one that costs a quarter of that one. >> and there is. and if you found the cheap one, you wouldn't make money on it. so you shop. why would you? even if you could get the information, you can't get any money back. there's a section on lasik eye care versus mammograms. between 1991 and today, vision correction has gone down by over 70%. the price of it has gone down
and the quality and operation is amazing compared to 1991. all the things covered by third party payments have gone up almost the same amount for the exact same thing since 1991, because who cares. nobody can win. >> how do you change that? >> you give doctors, hospitals, the opportunity, entrepreneurs who aren't in health care to come in and say, hey, we will give you more patients. you will get more patients. not we will give you. health care is always so top this. we will do this for them. this is a a chance for them to say come hither with me and i will show you a new way of doing a hip, a lung, a pap smear, a routine screening. that's the thing this book is about. here's a playbook for you to get out there and package and market within the context. it doesn't require changing obamacare again. it's the opportunity to get in there and change. >> all right. jonathan, thank you so much.
>> it's a pleasure. >> we greatly appreciate it. the book is "where does it hurt?" . thanks again. i can't wait to read the book. >> he talks about his cousin, a real problem in his family is his brother billy bush. but that's a segment for a different day. >> that's several segments of a multi-part series. coming up, how syrian rebels pulled off this massive attack against president assad's army. and it looks like a war zone in san diego as a collection of wildfires are tearing through neighborhoods. two investigators have fresh clues about the arsonist. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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sponsor. with us to talk about and, oh, my god, loads of money, brendon greeley who writes this is what adidas has been doing for 66 years, paying athletes to wear its shoes, paying teams to wear its jersey and paying a league to use its ball. it seemed absurd at the time but, man, not absurd now. nike versus adidas, $25 billion in revenue for nike, $20 billion in revenue for adidas as far as sell stats go. >> adidas still has the j in soccer. if you look at last your's soccer revenue, adidas doesn't look to release its revenue in
no no non-world cup years. so adidas still has the edge and it's got a couple of assets that have been traditionally very important in soccer. one of them is they've always sponsored the world cup. so they just renewed the contract for $50 million per cycle until 2030. they still see it as valuable. what has been happening is the national leagues, the bundes league in germany, are much more important than it used to be. you can watch the premier league in the u.s. on plain old tv. >> you say nike is so good at advertising and event promotion,
it seems no other company is even playing the same game. how important is that to their success? >> i called both companies and said what -- this is what i'm doing, and adidas said, yes, come on over, and they showed me around. nike is now trying to convince us they've been in soccer forever. they're so good. they had ronaldo wander out in the flesh with his amazing hair and dribbled the ball for a
little bit and sat still for ament a ment to -- minute to answer questions. christiania ronaldo is a celebrity, he wears an earring and he trash talks. >> i think nike and i think running. >> it would break their heart to hear you say that. adidas has other brands they own. the one sport must indelibly associated with the brand is soccer. adidas still get the lions share of its sale in europe.
adidas needs soccer. nike wants it. >> i've been wearing stanz -- it's an amazing shoe. >> nike made a huge problem with liverpool. >> great cover article. >> and have fun. >> oh, i'll have fun. >> the reason why ronaldo is so good, willie? >> the "new york times" says there's nothing to see here when it comes to jill abramson's firing but the numbers suggest otherwise. now donald sterling said he isn't leaving without a fight and plans to hit back the nba.
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this is a serious scandal because rove's conjecture is based on solid facts. hillary clinton did go to the hospital after a concussion in 2012 and later exhibited strange behavior in her benghazi testimony. she had a mastery of the facts and unshakeable confidence all while wearing those stupid glasses. those things like orthopedic shoes for your face. you'd have to be brain damaged
to wear those. look at these pants from the 70s. girl, that is a traumatic fashion injury. >> good morning. it's 8 a.m. on the east coast, 5 a.m. on the west coast. willie, this is going to be amazing, "gone with the wind" type budget, southern belles walking around -- >> can i star in it? i've always wanted of those dresses. "gone with the confidence." >> we'll work on the title. >> we also have eugene washington and in washington, julie pace. it's a bit stunning. here's a little instagram shot.
>> by her daughter. >> it's just mind boggling how badly the "new york times" has conducted themselves in this. first of all, the firing and then the follow-up to the firing, offering statements that you would think a third-rate politician would offer only to get punctured by organizations like the times. did they not expect that their false and misleading statements wouldn't get blown out of the water by people like ken aletta? >> ken we had yesterday. he updated the post yesterday. part of the argument from the new york city is that it's simply not true that abramson was paid less than himself predecessor. ken found the numbers. it turns out as, it have editor her starting salary in 2011 was
$479,000 and keller's salary, $559,000. >> i'm not good with math but what is that? >> $85,000. >> $85,000 difference in the same job. >> in her previous job as managing editor she made $398,000, which was less than that of a male managing editor. >> in the newspaper hierarchy, the managing editor is running the news gathering operation and supervising reporters would be expected to make more. it's a more crucial job. obviously the other job is important, too. but poorly handled, i would say.
>> and then you go beyond, katty, the actual firing and the cause for the firing, the times puts out a statement from their fearless leader who says, well, her asking for more money had absolutely nothing to do with her being fired. and then ken aletta talks to the spokesperson for the times, spokeswoman for the times who at first argued there was no real compensation gap but then conceded that, quote, this incident was a contributing factor to the firing of abramson because it was part of a pattern, and that incident was jill finally giving up and having to hire a lawyer to go in and try to got equal pay at the "new york times." it's stunning that the times all day yesterday were telling everybody inside and outside of the newsroom that, oh, no, this had nothing to do with her being
fired, the fact that she came and actually asked to be paid the same as a man. and by last night ken aletta and the "new yorker," they finally admitted it was part of a pattern. their quote, not mine. it's a stunning story, stunning mismanagement. >> i think the times is going to feel a backlash. i wouldn't be surprised if women subscribers to the times aren't looking quite closely. there as a real sense that there's still an old boys culture at the "new york times" and they are stunned. and i had one new york city reporter woman saying to me she was very depressed by what had happened yesterday. so what the times has done is undermine their own reporters, undermined women in the organization and handled this
phenomenally badly. the brutality of the firing alone. >> how it was handled, the brutality of the firing, two guys sitting together, one guy not liking how a woman inside was treating him, he goes and complains, the other guy fires a lady who had to get a lawyer to try to get paid the same as the last person who had that position and had been underpaid the entire employment. and the times leadership put out statements that just weren't truthful. the "new york times" lied trying to cover up their own mess. >> saying that's not a factor and it is now acknowledged to be a factor. the times frankly was being very cute in arthur salzburger's statement about the total compensation. apparently one has to surmise
lumping in any bonus she might have gotten, any stock she might have gotten, which of course are all dependent on what kind of year the newspaper is having. i know at the "washington post" there were years where manager's bonuses were cut in half or didn't come at all because of lean years in the newspaper business. keller, her predecessor, was in that office through a lot of lean years. it's possible you could look at the figures and say her stock options eventually might have been worth more than his. but salary to salary -- >> they're being too clever. >> when she has to go hire a lawyer, gene, she has to hire a lawyer to try to get equal pay for the same position that her male counterpart had -- >> and when you talk about the way the firing was handled, you used the word brutality and i'm
afraid that's probably kind of right. the last time arthur salzberger had to fire someone, it was over plagiarism, he was given a sendoff in the newsroom and the staff got to applaud and recitation of his triumphs as executive editor. jill abramson was done none of that. the paper won eight pulitzer prizes under eight years of her -- >> she didn't want to be there either. >> but you could mention the fact that, hey, you know -- >> you could rightly ask how the "new york times" defends, now that we have the salary numbers. the spokesman for the "new york times" says you don't look at salary, you look at total
compensation, which includes bonuses, stock grants and other long-term incentives but you can't deny that the baseline salary was much less because it was. >> you do look at the salary. it's not like keller didn't have the opportunity. the paper wasn't doing as well for the bonuses. when jill got there, the paper started doing better, in large part because keller did some great work and set it on a strong path but it's not like they gave her -- >> there's also the issue the fact that character has been raised in the case of jill abramson. i can't think of a senior male executive that has been feared on grounds where character was part of the issue. they're not fired for being described as pushy or aggressive, which is what you want in the editor of the "new
york times" anyway. >> in an earlier story it said she demanded to know why certain stories competitors had were not in the "new york times." >> shocked. >> i never demanded that when i was an editor, i never asked my staff, i would never do such a thing. i wouldn't pound the wall or the table or anything. >> we would never do that. we sure wouldn't. okay, maybe we would. >> julie pace, i think it's stunning that the "times" says there's no real compensation gap but then again said that when a woman asked to get the same amount of money as her male counterpart for the same job, that a spokeswoman for the "new york times" would say, quote, this incident was a contributing factor because it was part of a pattern.
men kick down doors and demand raises every day. i've just -- i've never heard of any man being fired because he asked to be paid the same as a co-worker. >> the whole conversation is just so tough to even listen to as a younger woman in journalism. i look to people like jill, other women who have risen through the ranks, it's still a really small number. the combination of the numbers that we're seeing now on salary and as katty said, just the adjectives that are being used to describe her, and there are undertones that if they were being used toward a man, they would be a positive. i give credit to the reporters
of the "times" -- >> except for the fact they have a guy from another magazine scooping them. >> sure. they're getting information from people giving contradictory statements. when you look at the original statement, using language that is clearly very precise in order to put a more positive spin on these numbers. >> there's now a potential criminal component to the controversy surrounding the v.a. hospital in phoenix. federal prosecutors are looking into allegations the medical center kept a secret waiting list to cover up for long delays for veterans looking for care. those disclosures came from the inspector general following testimony yesterday by the department secretary, eric shinseki. shinseki, a four-star general was grilled by the senate veterans affair committee.
he told lawmakers he's as angry as anyone. >> any allegation, any adverse incident like this makes me as -- makes me mad as hell. koup use stro-- i could use str language here but in deference to the committee, i will not. >> do you believe that you're ultimately responsible for all this? >> i am. >> can you explain to me after knowing all this information why you should not resign? >> well, i tell you, senator, that i came here to make things better for veterans. i intend to continue this mission until i've satisfied either that goal or i'm told by the commander in chief that my time has been served. >> willie, he looked mad as hell
there. >> he didn't show the fire some people want to see. he's a four-star general, he served this country admirably. does he care about veterans? of course he does. but right now it's just not good enough. it's not clear to me that anyone, a new person, could fix the bureaucracy at the v.a. when we saw those pictures were stacks and stacks of paper that looks like an office from 40 years ago, there's not a system in place to process these claims. we have great doctors, great medical personnel who in many cases forewent other careers that could have made more money. they're doing the work, they just can't handle the sheer number of claims coming in and people are dying because of it. >> if you get into the system, there are some positive things said about the system once you're in it but it's the back log and the 19th century filing
problem, stacks and stacks. >> we've heard before of a few little corners of the federal government that still operate this way in this dekenzen system of clerks and paperwork. but the v.a. is a big thing with a vital and important mission and that it hasn't had more of a technological upgrade and that it didn't anticipate that when, forbes, we're going to have two simultaneous foreign wars, we're going to have a lot of veterans coming home, they're going to need a kind of medical treatment that frankly they wouldn't have needed in the past because a lot simply would have died in earlier wars but because of quicker sort of triage and better initial treatment they survived with traumatic brain injuries, with other kinds of problems that the v.a. needs to
handle. >> you're right. the actual system when you get into it is one of the most popular bits of the america health care system. people raise this irony of european socialism when it comes to american health care but this government-run part of the american health care system is one of the bits that people actually like had they manage to start getting into it. >> clippers owner donald sterling now plans to fight his punishment from the nba. and it's been 20 years since the landmark brown versus board of education system. you are not going to believe what state has the most segregated school system in america. it really -- it is stunning. this is not just withone of the times i try to hold you through the commercial. no, this is really stunning. you're not going to believe it. you probably wouldn't believe what's next either, bill karins'
forecast. >> now i'll have to stay tuned, too. today, interesting weather across the country. we're starting off with flash flooding in and around washington d.c., picked up about 2 to 4 inches of rain in a short period of time. the ran is tapering off, things are still -- look how green it looks out there. here's the radar. we had has much as 4 inches of rain in western d.c., 2 1/4 over reagan. it's amazing. d.c. gets nailed with a ton of ran, they have no delays, laguardia airport, there are showers around and it's an hour and a half delay. 15 minutes at logan. as far as the middle of the country goes, it's chilly, it's cold. we had a frost this morning in kansas city. on the radar this morning in
northern illinois and i've seen a couple of pictures on social media, it is snowing in northern illinois this morning, right around dekalb. it's not sticking but seeing snowflakes in the little of may is a little ridiculous. at one point in san diego we had nine fires burning at the same time in southern cal. it was 102 yesterday in downtown l.a. finally the weather is going to break and give the firefighters a break, too. the winds will die down and temperatures will be 10 to 20 degrees cooler today. no problems at all today in the middle of the country after warming it up. heavy rain moving through the east. saturday morning heavy rain for you in boston, that will clear up into maine as we go through the day. finally averaging out. the extremes will be over with and we're exactly where we should be across the country. more "morning joe" when we come
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a military base. 60 tons of explosives were detonated inside a tunnel which fighters had been digging for months. >> are we meant to take action if they use chemical weapons again? the red line? remember? >> and employees of ukraine's richest man are supporting the effort, he fears an economic slowdown if the region loses its trading ties with europe. >> "the "detroit free press" general motors is issuing a new recall for 2.7 million vehicles. the company continues to respond to the ignition switch default. >> and from "usa today," hundreds of fast food works are across 30 countries walked off the job yesterday in a call for
higher wages. they're asking for a raise to $15 an hour and the ability to unionize without retaliation. at least 17 chains in the $200 billion fast food industry have been targeted in the protest, including mcdonald's, burger king and wendy's. >> the summer air travel forecast at its highest level in six years. airlines for america anticipates 210 million passengers will fly between june 1st and august 31st, the highest level since before the recession in 2007. more than 30 million passengers are expected to travel internationally. >> and no upgrades in the airports, which means chaos. >> and donald sterling plans to ignore the nba's sanctions and sue the league. his lawyer says he has not violated any part of the constitution writing to the league "no punishment is warranted" and that sterling's
due process rights have been violates and states that sterling has no intention of paying the $2.5 million fine. >> and in "parade", how to prepare from summer outdoor cooking, straight from his new cookbook "guy on fire." john harris, good to see you. >> i skidded out to see you this morning with monsoons down in washington. >> is it really bad there right now? >> it is bad. >> gene, you made the right call coming up here. there is a tight race in arizona for the seat one held by gabby giffords, both candidates trying to make the contest about the former congresswoman's legacy. how does that shake out? >> the incumbent, the democrat, ron barber used to work for gabby giffords and like her was
shot and nearly killed in that incident in 2011. at least for the first time he ran, he established a powerful bond with voters. it's a tough district for democrats. romney won this district. the emotional bond is whack i don't know -- weakening with the passing of time. his opponent is saying she's more in keeping with giffords, tough, independent-minded women. >> martha mcsally, she's an air force fighter pilot and viewed by a lot of people as a rising star in the republican party. >> no question about it. she ran a close rate in 2012 and we wonder with the passage of time, whether she has the upper hand this time in 2014. >> politico's john harris.
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16 years ago tomorrow the supreme court ruled in brown versus board of education that separate schools for black and white students were inherently unequal. it is a ruling that changed market. with us to talk about it from washington, educationduncan. >> good morning. >> and education commissioner john king. let's start with you, john. we've got the secretary of education and that's big stuff but we have to set this up. >> sadly new york state is the most segregated state not just racially by economically as well. what is equally troubling is that the academic results are incredibly unequal.
86% of our white students graduated from high school, just 58% of our black and latino students graduated from high school. >> if this were a trivial pursuit question or "jeopardy" question, you people would have -- >> the figure when i was growing up was 100% in south carolina. the form are black high school and former high school were combined in south carolina. some white students decamped to an education academy that was all white, but that's not even all white anymore. i think there's a secondary academy that seems to be mostly white, but i would say the schools in my hometown are a lot more integrated right now than
those in new york state, which is amazing. >> arnie duncan, it is amazing, growing up in mississippi, georgia, gene in south carolina, to hear 60 years later that new york state is so segregated and gene is guessing states like illinois are probably still segregated as well. why? what do we do about it? >> school integration and lack of integration reflects housing pa patterns. and when we do live close to each other, the schools reflect that. we believe education is the civil rights issue of our generation, we have to get better rules. things have gotten better, high school graduation rates are at an all-time high but we have so far to go and we have to
continue to work with a tremendous sense of urgency to level the playing field for all of our children. >> what can you do to lower the number of segregated students in new york state? >> well, again, i think housing patterns reflect school education or lack thereof. that's a difficult one. we have to work to equalize educational opportunity. within of the things at the top of the president's agenda and mine is to increase access to high-quality, early learning opportunities. if we do that, we level the playing field for our children. if we don't do that, we have far too many children entering kindergarten a year to year and a half behind and we don't always do a great job of catching them up. >> we hear about early learning opportunities from the secretary. what do you say to the push back you've gotten in new york to common core. there are many teacher unions pushing back to what it means to
their livelihoods and what it man means to the students they're trying to educate. it's essential for our students. if they're not prepared, they're told welcome to college but you need to go down the hall to high school class for a remedial class for which you and your family are going to pay college prices and think get discouraged. it's not just about the test. it's about the standards and
many of the standards can't be measured on the standardized test. tests are just a part of the educational process. they've been around and will always be around. we want teachers focused on the standards. >> arnie, in closing shouldn't we also talk about school choice, giving more parents in new york state something that you've talked about and something you did in illinois the choice the let their children go to whatever schools they want to go to. >> we absolutely need high standards so young people aren't graduating at john said, trying to take remedial classes. we need real accountability. we can never duck accountab accountableability. traditional schools are doing great job, we need to replicate
them. charter schools are doing a great job, we need to learn from them and replicate them. we need to make every school a school parents will want to send their kids to. >> would you agree racially diverse schools are good to prepare students for living in the united states and therefore it's a goal the administration ought to work toward? >> absolutely. i was lucky enough to grow up in a diverse neighborhood, went to a diverse school. there's no way i could be doing what i'm doing had i not had that opportunity. the president grew up in a multi-cultural environment in hawaii. if our children have all the academic skills but lack the comfort of people who are different than them, i think we do them a real disservice. whatever we can do to bring children together, to learn from one another, to make
friendships, that's the world we're going to live in. as we go forward next school year for the first time ever, our nation's public schools are going to be a majority minority. it's a seminal moment. we have to get better together. >> secretary of education arnie duncan and john king, thank you very much. appreciate it. still to come, failure to recall. >> and the car just lost power. it shut off. there was no power to the steering, i couldn't accelerate, no breaks, nothing. >> faulty ignition switches. what did they know and when did they know it and what did it man for those who have the cars? we asked people a question,
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from brakes to the wiring, which follows the major issue with the ignition defect. we have an investigation into that rrl. take a look. >> jake fisher, director of auto testing at the nonprofit consumer reports is showing us why 2.6 million gm cars are being recalled. >> how easy is it going to be for me to accidentally turn off the ignition and put it in accessory. >> depends how much is hanging on the key ring. >> after tugging on the key chain -- the power steering is gone. i did it but it's not that easy. >> how much effort did you have to use in the steering wheel to get around that? >> quite a bit. >> the flaw in the ignition system makes it possible to turn the key off accidentally. on the road it can lead to an
anxious moment, sudden surprise, or worse. >> phil lebeau joins us now. obviously this has been devastating for those gm owners who lost family members behind the wheel. now the issue with gm seems to be compounded more and more with the recalls and ceo mary barre is fending off lawsuits left and right. >> are there other issues or were we not as vigilant with recalls as possible. when you have nhtsa breathing down your throat and back, that's what's going to happen. >> when it comes to mary barra and her leadership, we know she's been at gm a very long time. she can say this is due to prior management but she was there. she was in the culture of gm at that time. how do they may have this away? >> they're very clear.
she has said she did not have direct knowledge of this particular situation with the ignition switch. there's no indication that she did have prior knowledge. you bring up a different question, which is she was part of the culture of general motors, being someone who has been at the company for 30 years, can she change the company, make it more responsive to put customer attention and safety the priority. that's a good question. it's too early to know for sure. she has been extremely vigilant in terms of say hing who may ha had some knowledge about this. we're still waiting for the results of their investigation and we should have that in a couple of weeks. >> you can see the documentary "failure to recall" on sunday evening. >> i wish we could have all asked him question but alex is screaming in all our ears.
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there, which is knowing your value. i think sometimes knowing your value is also being honest, that it doesn't always look pretty and it isn't always going to be perfect but it's real. >> have you always been ambitious? >> yes, i think i have but honestly i think because of the immigrant story. my parents immigrated when i was 4 years old from cairo, egypt. i didn't speak english. i had to be thrust into a very different environment in dallas, texas. >> you had to make it work. >> that makes you have to get your act together. >> you've done very well in your life. you are now at the top of your game at goldman sachs, don't cringe, don't worry, i'm not going to make you feel like you have to sell yourself. i think, though, what's interesting about your approach to your job, and tell me if i'm wrong, is that you immediately deflect to the amazing people around you or to the amazing people that you've discovered. you find more joy in that than in your own success or -- >> i think that's the definition of success is how have you used your success to make an impact
on others' lives. >> that might be the female definition of success. >> it's my definition, and i mean it genuinely. >> what do you think is the difference between your approach and the men who work here? >> i don't know if there's a difference but i think there's something that men are luckier about. basically women sit around and beat themselves up about something they could have done. so this group of female partners that gathered, we told a horrible story about how we'd done great in a meet organize achieved a big goal we wanted to that was beneficial to the firm and then the one mistake we made is what we thought about for the rest of the day or the rest of the week. >> it's unbelievable how we do that. >> i don't know how to fix that. >> i don't think our daughters will do it that much. i think there's a sea change happening in our generation and that is that we're going to help each other. i didn't see that when i was starting out.
>> when women are part of the economy, gdp around the globe grows, jobs are created and those are real numbers. what has been a tough period of time in our country and the global financial system, that makes a big difference. you notice that secretary clinton and before her secretary rice stopped talking about how empowering women was the right thing to do and started talking about how it was the smart thing to do. >> dina powell speaking to mika earlier. >> that was great. look at this. this is a big day, katty. >> and it's the know your value women's conference in hartford, connecticut. i wish i could be there. >> i'm headed up there right after the show. i'll really excited about it. i'm going to dress up, katty. >> i wouldn't turn up to a conference of mika's dressed like you are.
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♪ welcome back, kids. it's time to talk about what we learned today. katty, what do you learn? >> i learned sometimes on the show people dress very smartly. >> oh, my god. this is all about joe. i'm so embarrassed. i don't want things to be about me. finish your insult, you don't like -- >> i was going to say gene is a very dapper dresser and on friday the purple tie looks very good. >> you've been ragging on my st.
louis cardinal sweat shirt all day. >> and why would she do that? >> why would she? i almost combed my hair today. >> i'm invisible to katty. that's what i learned today. she looks right through me. it's like i'm not here. >> i learned that great communications companies are often really lousy at communicating what's going on inside. >> when it's way too early, "morning joe." stick around, chuck todd straight ahead with "the daily rundown." may mayhem, less than 100 hours now before the biggest primary day coast to coast for the 2014 mid terms. find out why some folks are pulling away in fights we expected to be tighter. meantime, must see today footage from idaho's fight on the right for governor. the rent is too damn high
plot to attack the u.s. capitol inspired by isis, foiled by the feds in an undercover operation. chilling new images from inside the hostage siege in paris as al qaeda says it was behind the massacre at that magazine that hit newsstands again today. scare in space, american astronauts scramble to safety in the middle of the night. measles outbreak, the biggest in years and traced back to disneyland. tonight, the scramble to track down those who may have been exposed. and a cliffhanger, two men with the summit in their sights. we are there live tonight in yosemite. "nightly news" begins now.
>> announcer: from nbc news world headquarters in new york this is nbc fightly news with brian williams. good evening. the feds say they were onto it early, but tonight they've announced they've stopped a plan apparently inspired by isis to attack the u.s. capitol and those inside it. it's an example, they say, of the kind of lone wolf attack that can get its inspiration from people and movements overseas. we begin tonight with late details from our justice correspondent pete williams in our d.c. newsroom. pete, good evening. >> brian, good evening. u.s. officials say this is precisely what they worry about most, someone in the u.s. becoming inspired by terrorist propaganda to carry out attacks here at home. the fbi says 20-year-old christopher lee cornell of green township, ohio, wanted to set off pipe bombs at the u.s. capitol and shoot people as they fled. investigators say he came to their attention last august when he posted pro-isis messages on twitter using an alias, raheel
mahrus ubaydah. court documents say he discussed his plans with a man he thought was sympathetic but who turned out to be working undercover for the fbi. according to investigators cornell said the former al qaeda figure awlaki and others had expressed the view this kind of jihad was the right thing to do. cornell was arrested earlier today after he bought two assault-type rifles like this and 600 rounds of ammunition. >> spent at least enough time with these particular officers to know that i was in good hands. they knew what they were doing and they exuded a lot of confidence. >> federal officials insist there was never any danger because the man was under close surveillance for months. he didn't build pipe bombs and didn't even buy the components for them. >> pete williams starting us off from our washington newsroom. thanks. it's taken a full week, but one of the most likely suspects in the terrorist attack in paris has finally claimed responsibility for it. al qaeda in yemen says it was
behind the bloody assault on the offices of that satirical newspaper called "charlie hebdo." but rather than being silenced the paper put out a new edition on the stands today. clearly it's bigger than ever. we have two reports on all of it tonight. we want to begin with nbc's richard engel in istanbul. richard, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. the last year isis has been dominating headlines overshadowing al qaeda. something about dangerous rivalry is emerging, a game of one-upsmanship between the two groups. with the paris attacks, al qaeda is launching a comeback. the attack on "charlie hebdo" last week was al qaeda's most high-profile operation in years and today they bragged about it. in a video al qaeda in yemen claimed it targeted the magazine for insulting the prophet muhammad even laying out the chain of command behind the attack. ordered by alzwarhi, osama bin laden's successor. planned and financed by
american-born cleric anwar al awlaki before he was killed in a u.s. drone strike in 2011 and carried out by cherif and said kouachi. reports suggest the brothers got their automatic weapons from this man, amedy coulibaly who purchased them from a belgian arms dealer and has now turned himself in to the police. coulibaly also bought the two machine guns he used to attack the kosher market. new images from security cameras show him inside the market wearing a bulletproof vest. his hostages huddled in fear. some of them order today disable the security cameras. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: coulibaly killed four of the hostages before police stormed the market and killed him. his suspected accomplice, hayat boumeddiene, left paris before the attacks and came here to istanbul before disappearing into syria. the investigation is yielding new suspects daily, but the real focus now is preventing the next attack. richard engel, nbc news,
istanbul. >> reporter: this is bill neely in paris where people waited hours to buy the magazine terrorists tried to kill off. it normally sells 50,000, it sold out fast 3 million copies. many bought it to defy the terrorism. >> i wanted to buy this one to -- >> reporter: 3 million copies sold, another 2 million ordered in numerous languages. the cartoonists say this issue of the magazine depicting on its front page a tearful prophet muhammad is a triumph for free speech. in muslim areas of paris they disagree. they say showing the prophet muhammad is provocative. >> more provocation. >> why you talking about my prophet? it's not your religion. why you talking about this god? >> i think it will bring a civil war. >> reporter: you think a civil war is possible? >> civil war is coming, yes.
>> reporter: police have now charged this famous muslim comedian who identified with one of the killers with advocating terrorism. more than 50 more muslims have been arrested for defending terrorism, mostly on social media. the killings carried out by islamic extremists have resulted in more than 50 revenge attacks on muslims, mostly minor. the french president was talking tough today on an aircraft carrier heading to the middle east on air strikes against islamic militants. striking militants at home without alienating his muslim fellow countrymen is now his biggest challenge. today, a week after the massacre this magazine became the biggest one-day sellout in french publishing history. tomorrow, secretary of state kerry arrives here to discuss the aftermath of the massacre and how to stop another one. brian. >> bill neely in paris, richard engel before that. our team remains on this story. gentlemen, thank you both. word out of washington tonight, a major shakeup on the
way in the u.s. secret service. the agency is removing four high-level officials from their posts after a series of embarrassing incidents and dangerous lapses. among the men and women charged with protecting the highest office in the land. we get our report tonight from our white house correspondent kristen welker. >> reporter: it is a major overhaul for an agency in crisis. four assistant directors are being tossed out of their current posts and reassigned. acting director joe clancy saying in a statement, change is necessary to gain a fresh perspective on how we conduct business. those being replaced come from every corner of the department. dale with director of operations paul morsi, investigations jane murphy governor mental affairs, and mark copanzzi. in an interview with brian last month clancy signalled big changes. >> we have zero tolerance with misconduct. we've got training in place. we've got an integrity board in place.
>> reporter: the agency is trying to come back from a series of security lapses, among them agents getting caught with prostitutes during an official presidential trip to colombia in 2012. a fence-jumper making it all the way inside the white house late last year. >> this may be a really critical moment for members of the rank and file who have been clambering for a change in leadership. >> reporter: brian, each of the four reassigned employees has more than 30 years of service. no word on their new assignments. all of this comes after an independent report described a culture of low morale and poor leadership at the secret service. brian? >> kristen welker on the white house north lawn tonight. kristen, thanks. now a tense day in space for the astronauts on board the international space station and for mission control here on the ground at nasa. the crew, two americans, one italian, three russians, were forced to take refuge and safety in the russian side of the space station as onboard alarms warned of a possible toxic leak onboard
in the section normally occupied by the american astronauts. we get details tonight from nbc's tom costello. >> reporter: floating 250 miles above the earth, space station astronauts spent much of the day wearing emergency oxygen masks testing the air after early morning alarm bells warned of a possible ammonia leak in the cooling system on the american side. the order from mission control, don the masks, get to the russian side and close the hatch. >> bottom line is we get all the experts coming in now, everybody's poring over the data, we have the smart folks taking a look at it. >> reporter: an ammonia, toxic leak, rapid decompression, fire or smoke event are among the most serious emergencies on the space station. any one could force the crew to abandon the station in a russian capsule. >> these kinds of emergencies start with protecting the crew then trying to deal with the issue. and then if in the end we can't deal with the issue, some of them can result in evacuating the station. >> reporter: the six crew members were supposed to spend the day unloading a resupply
spaceship launched by spacex. but as they hunkered down in the russian section, mission control became more convinced it may have been a false alarm caused by a bad computer card. >> there is no data at the moment suggesting that there was in fact a real ammonia leak. >> reporter: veteran astronaut scott kelly is preparing to spend a year on the station with cosmonauts. >> especially with the crew members, the cosmonauts, we're great friends. we have to work together. we have to rely on each other literally for our own lives. >> after running air quality tests all day, mission control gave the all-clear to the as sfroe knot astronauts just after 3:00 p.m. tonight it is all resumed normal operations. >> tom costello in the safety of washington, d.c. tonight. tom, thanks. over the better part of these last three weeks we have witnessed the test of human skill and endurance really unlike any other on a mountain unlike any other.
and tonight we have witnessed the culmination of all of it. two men have completed what's been roundly described as the most difficult free climb in the world. nbc's miguel almaguer is right there at the very top of el capitan in yosemite forest tonight. >> reporter: brian, good evening. this is the moment that has been so many years in the making. we were here live when kevin -- when tommy caldwell and kevin jorgensen came up the mountain, were greeted after climbing 3,000 feet up el capitan. they gave their wives hugs, they popped champagne. they are still hugging family at this moment. my colleague hallie jackson has been following their journey for the last several weeks. >> reporter: it's a moment seven years in the making, but 19 days ago no one knew if it would happen. after tommy caldwell and kevin
jorgenson started the hardest free climb in the world. their shredded fingertips grabbing granite flakes as thin as dimes. inching up a section at a time, one slip means starting over. ropes there only to catch them, not to help them. between climbs life suspended on a wall each night sleeping thousands of feet above the valley floor. >> think about everything you done in the last two and a half weeks, every time you went to the store, every time you had dinner, they were on that cliff. >> reporter: as momentum builds the meadow below fills with onlookers eager to learn more about the two friends, jergensen's childhood climbing competitions, caldwell's escape after being kidnapped and a freak accident that left him with nine fingers in a sport where sometimes even ten aren't enough. >> all of these hardships he's been through all have led up to this moment for him to be able to say this looks impossible but i'm going to try it anyway. >> reporter: from a distance the
climbers' families feel each triumph and tension. >> oh, your heart just drops. you know how bad he wants to do it. talk about tenacious. >> reporter: jorgesensen slipped again and again until finally he didn't. >> i couldn't be happier. >> reporter: that's when they seem unstoppable. >> this is a view that i'll always remember. >> reporter: two friends climbing into history proving the impossible may not be. the folks up top could probably hear the cheers of joy from the meadow down below 3,000 feet beneath them. and while there is a sense of elation, it's also bittersweet. as tommy caldwell's mother told me this is a realization of a dream but also the end of one. >> hallie jackson at the base, before that miguel almaguer at the summit, miguel might have gotten the better part of this deal. still ahead tonight, we'll go back to miguel almaguer at
the summit and we'll show you how we managed to beat the climbers to the top in just one day. here's a broad hint. there is a back way but it's still a pretty tough climb. first, up next a major outbreak of measles traced back to disneyland and spreading as families return home. a scramble to find everyone who may have been exposed. . . . .. ..
we don't hear much about it because outbreaks are few and far between, but measles has been slowly making a big comeback.
2014 was the worst year since 2000 for measles nationwide. triple the number of cases over the year before. and it appears a new outbreak may have started as a destination known better to millions as the happiest place on earth. we get our report tonight from our chief medical expert dr. nancy snyderman. >> reporter: take a person infected with measles, combined with thousands of disneyland tourists and you have the recipe for the worst measles outbreak in california in 15 years. doctors are scrambling to get ahead of this. >> disneyland is the perfect situation because lots of people lots of children. >> reporter: it's a serious yet preventable disease that has now spread beyond california with reports of 26 ill people in utah, colorado and washington state. >> it can lead to blindness. it can lead to encephalitis. >> reporter: symptoms are dry
cough, runny nose, red, watery eyes and a rash. people can spread measles up to four days even before the rash appears. a significant number of people in this outbreak were not vaccinated, either opting out or too young to get a shot. in long beach, california, one infected patient went to multiple stores. this gym posted a sign about the measles outbreak prompting questions from customers. >> do we need to get in and get another booster? do we need to worry about it because we've already had the measles. so we called our doctor first. >> a child gets the first dose of measles vaccine at 12 to 16 months of age and then the second one between 4 to 6 years and right now even adults are considered candidates for getting a booster. this one, i think, is going to take days if not weeks to receive our attention. >> nancy, thank you as always. we're back in a moment with
a high-speed chase on the water that got way too close for comfort. all of it caught on camera.
look at the size of this storm. that's the u.s. on the left. this is a single weather front. it stretches all the way from the lower 48 all the way across the atlantic to europe and beyond. upper level winds have been incredibly strong across the ocean this winter. recent passenger flights to london reported being carried along at speeds that fell just shy of the sound barrier. passengers got to london from new york an hour early. one british airways pilot said it was like surfing on the jet stream all the way across the atlantic. scientists have confirmed most of us have something they call cold empathy. it means we actually feel colder when we are just looking at someone who is shivering and obviously cold. and it's a powerful sensation.
volunteers who watched video of strangers putting their hands into cold water actually witnessed their own body temperatures drop as a result. the researchers add that while we feel the cold of others, it doesn't work the other way around for warmth. box office revenues were down over 20% this past summer from last summer with the national average ticket price now at $8, over half of movie goers told pollsters recently they're increasingly staying away because going to the movies has simply become too expensive. finally, the driver of a speedboat in a national park in zambia had reason to believe there was something in their wake in the water just behind their boat. sure enough it was a hippo, the size of a voexlkswagen bus. the most dangerous mammal in all of africa just feet from the stern, so they sped up and got out of there. when we come back we'll return live to miguel almaguer
3,000 feet up at the summit of el capitan. celebration just under way at yosemite.
earlier on in our broadcast tonight we brought you an incredible moment as those two mountain climbers reached the peak of human achievement and
the summit of yosemite's el capitan. it took them 19 days by hand. our team made it up to the top in a single day. they made the journey the way a lot of hikers and tourists do, which is they went the back way. which is not without its challenges we should hasten to add. we get our report tonight from nbc's miguel almaguer. >> reporter: our hike to the summit began at 5:00 a.m. along a treacherous trail through the backcountry. eight miles and ten hours to the top of el capitan. it's pretty rocky, pretty steep. you can see the terrain we're dealing with here. it's also quite breathtaking. there's the falls right there. you can see it iced over. shot at the valley. and our crew behind us who's working their way up this hill. the yosemite's trail is popular for thousands of hikers each year, the view of the waterfall north america's highest at roughly 2,400 feet, is
spectacular. we're accompanied by a guide, but once here most hikers turn back. it looks intimidating. that's the top of the wall we're trying to reach 3,000 feet up. we've come a long way from this valley floor. it's cold up here, but that's good for hiking weather. we've reached a mile marker here. we've got about 4 1/2 miles to go. still a lot of distance to cover. a good stretch of the trail is actually covered in snow. that's where we've reached slowed us down quite a bit. it's really slippery. it's like ice literally. there are a hundred trails up to el capitan. it was first summited in 1958. for those who make it to the top, the reward is pure beauty the view of a lifetime. for those who reach the summit, whether it was up that shear granite wall or around the back trails like us, there's pure joy and celebration going on right now atop here. and there is word tonight that the president may call these two climbers.
brian? >> well-done up there, miguel almaguer at the summit of el capitan in yosemite. from new york that's going to be our broad kaft on this wednesday night. thank you for being here with us. i'm brian williams. we of course nbc bay area news begins with breaking news. >> that breaking news in the east bay. a chaotic scene at the new park mall. this is in newark. a car crashed into the macy's department store just a short while ago. you see our nbc chopper overhead. down below you can see several emergency vehicles are on the scene. once again, that's the macy's there, new park mall. there's also police tape up over the entrance. not surprisingly this macy's is now closed. now, the mall is just off 880 near the mowri exit.
initial reports are the car drove through the doors and made it inside. we have a crew arriving on the scene as we speak. we'll bring you more information as it becomes available. a new era for both bay area football times tonight. in just the span of a few hours, both the raiders and 49ers signed new head coaches, jack del rio and just a few hours later the 49ers announced one of their own, former defensive line coach, jim tomsula, would replace jim harbaugh. we begin with gene live at levi's stadium. and gene tomsula knows what he's getting into as the head coach of the 49ers. >> reporter: he does jessica. he's been with the organization for eight years. so he knows the team. 49er fans here at levi's stadium say they are excited for a change. they may not know his name, but they're hoping he can deliver some much-needed encouragement. they're hoping he can jump start the football team and deliver a season filled with wins. jed york says after a thorough
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and hamas warning international airlines not to fly israel starting today, suggesting more rocket fire after the cease-fire was broken. >> thank you so much for joining us today. we'll see you tomorrow on friday. "fox & friends" starts right now. bye. well, good morning, everyone. today is thursday, the 21st of august, 2014. i'm in for elisabeth hasselbeck. we know this morning special forces tried and failed to rescue american journalist james foley. but why was that top-secret mission exposed? >> that's the question. meanwhile, while the family of james foley breaks down in tears, the president of the united states went golfing. after saying he was going to find action for others. what? >> this is a quote. we will act against isil, standing alongside others. what the hell does that mean? >> what does that mean? maybe this is what he meant by staying the course in iraq.
and this could change everything in ferguson. new details this morning show the officer who killed michael brown was beaten badly. the exclusive details in a live report straight ahead. "fox & friends" hour one starts right now. welcome aboard, folks. studio "e" live from new york city. it's kind of rainy on this thursday morning. >> muggy, rainy morning. we've got venus williams on the show this morning. there's a big tennis court set up outside. >> venus is rising. >> it won't rain on our parade. are you going to play? >> i think we're all going to play. >> it's going to be embarrassing. stay tuned. >> in heels. >> brian and elisabeth are off. steve's the only one holding down the fort. >> it's great to have you, anna, and clayton with us as well because we start with a "fox news alert." the white house hrevealed that there was a rescue raid in syria
for that man right there, james foley, who was beheaded on youtube. apparently according to "the washington post," several dozen special operators were involved, blackhawks also known as the night stalkers, they used drones. but after landing, they discovered that mr. foley and the others had been moved, and so they got out of there. >> how do we know about this? >> yeah. the question really this morning is if they were able to get in and get out without anybody knowing, why would we share this information from a covert operation? it's something that many experts say should have been kept under wraps for decades. listen to what charles krauthammer and ambassador john bolton had to say. >> this is a political reaction to a horrific event. the administration is trying to say we're not just standing by and watching. so you can understand that politically, but it is the usual instinct of this administration to think first are the politics. >> i think this is a stunning breach of security for the
united states. obviously ordered by the white house. i cannot conceive of the pentagon releasing this on their own. this is exactly the sort of thing that should remain completely confidential for 50 years, number one, because it tells people what we tried to do. number two, it's an admission of failure. well, the united states tried again and couldn't do it. and number three, whoever it was we relied upon, whoever gave us the tip, is now in jeopardy from the islamic state and may well be dead already. this is just not something you do. >> right. it's something that maybe we're going to have a hard time intelligence gathering after the fact as well. if we're just going to share this information. >> what's the political calculus for telling me? it shows me that the president is saying we tried. we tried to do this. we tried to stop this ahead of time. we want the american people to know we're out in front of all of this. and we also are learning more this morning about what exactly this group wanted from the united states before this killing. in fact, they were asking for
ransom money. millions of dollars. the united states, though, i think the only country that didn't funnel money to the terror group. britain and others were funneling millions of dollars to this group. >> that's right. isis apparently demanded 100 million euros, which translates today into $132 million. the united states government said no. now, what's curious is the intel that led the special operators to that part of syria. the intel came from six british nationals who were actually negotiated out. now, one of the nationals also spoke to a british tabloid and revealed that they were held in the city of rocca in syria. and that's why the special operators targeted right there. one of the guys who was known as their guard, they all three had british accents. one of them, he was able to identify from the youtube video the executioner was a fella who
identified himself as john, which coincidentally is one of the names of the beatles, and they referred to all three of these guys as the beatles. >> from britain. they're from that part of the world. no wonder david cameron has cut his vacation short, come back after just one day of vacation, that these guys are british, radicalized, managed to fly into turkey and make it across the border and become part of this group. >> it's not like they're foot soldiers. they are showcasing john the executer as they're calling him, it's part of this radicalization. it's almost like they get accolades from making the switch from being part of western culture to becoming this way. and it's dangerous. think about what this could do for their homeland. they've said they want to get as big as possible and expand. many experts say they are bigger and stronger than al qaeda was on 9/11.
and if these guys look like you and me, it makes you wonder. >> an ak-47 is promised if they join. as soon as they show up and join, they were handed grenades, a couple clips of ammo and an ak-47, and they are part of this group. john the executioner reportedly had sent -- other members of the group had sent e-mails to their family members letting them know that i'm doing all of this in the name of allah. others who have then committed suicide wearing suicide vests saying i moved here because i wanted to become a martyr for allah. >> meanwhile, shortly after the video was released, apparently the wheels were put in motion that the united states would retaliate against isis. and there were 14 new air strikes near the mosul dam yesterday. okay. so we took action. and then the president, at 12:45, at a local school in martha's vineyard, said this. >> the united states of america will continue to do what we must do to protect our people.
we will be vigilant, and we will be relentless. when people harm americans anywhere, we do what's necessary to see that justice is done, and we act against isil, standing alongside others. >> you know, what's so curious about him talking about isil or isis yesterday is this is the same group that back in january, he referred to as the jv squad. >> yeah, they really don't know what they're doing. yesterday he referred to them as a cancer that must be eliminated. the question now is, is this president willing to do what it takes to kill them? >> is it going to be a humanitarian effort? >> no. no. it shouldn't be. >> humanitarian effort, just contain these guys -- >> decimate them? >> right. is this the new face of terror that we're facing in this world, and what do we need to do. and he was a little wishy-washy on his statement yesterday. we're going to stand with others. but we saw what standing with
others has done. they've invaded iraq, taken the mosul dam, taken baghdad. colonel oliver north about what that even means. >> they talked at length about the horrors being perpetrated by isis. and then he says at the end of this -- and this is a quote -- we will act against isil, standing alongside others. what the hell does that mean? there's no real clandestine service on the ground. so human intelligence is not existing. when they conducted the raid, they found out they weren't there, we now know where they are. they're in the hands of isis, isil, and they are going to be murdered. i mean, this is a horrible fact of life on the ground. and what the president is saying when he says we're going to act standing alongside others, it's hollow. it means nothing. there has to be a decision made, and this president can do it like that. he's got a pen. he's got a telephone. start attacking isis command, control and communications inside syria. you can't give terrorist organizations a safe haven.
we've learned nothing since vietnam, a safe haven is a formula for disaster. >> ollie is right, the president has a pen, and he's got a phone, but he's also got a putter. extraordinarily yesterday, he immediately went from the school, the local school in martha's vineyard, directly to the golf course. and as you can see in the "daily news," right there refers to it as "obama's golf war." what's curious, though, is here you see president -- if you come back here, there you see the president of the united states right there. and there you see the grieving parents of james foley who were having a press conference at exactly the same time. it was very emotional, and the optics of this are bad. >> yeah. and if the president doesn't care about the optics which, you know -- >> he should. >> -- he should. i mean, put a tie on, go to the situation room, go back to washington, do something. try to console this poor family who lost their son, you know, after these terrorists were
trying to negotiate. do we negotiate with terrorists? it's not something that a lot of people say that we should do. he did it with bowe bergdahl. >> the french foreign minister said last week regarding the people who were dying in iraq, quote, i know in western countries, this is vacation period, but when people are dying, you must return from vacation. >> even europeans are coming back from vacation. the french lecturing us about vacation, and then david cameron coming back after one day. the british prime minister after one day of vacation. let us know your thoughts. meanwhile, we've got some more headlines. i'll get right to those. they were near death a few weeks ago, but in just a few hours the two americans diagnosed with ebola will be released from the hospital. emory university making the announcement a short time ago. they got the virus while treating people in liberia. brantly expected to speak at a
press conference this morning at 11:00 a.m. the judge says she's old enough to stand trial on charges she started one of the most destructive wildfires of the year. prosecutors say she sparked the fire on purpose. the flames ripped through three dozen homes north of san diego, causing $12 million in damage. police not saying just yet how they linked her to the crime. and robin williams now at peace. we just learned that he was cremated the day after he took his own life. his ashes scattered in the san francisco bay near his home. williams' wife revealed the 63-year-old had been diagnosed with parkinson's disease but was not ready to reveal it to the world. and those are your headlines. >> you can see we've got a very busy news day. and there's a major bombshell out of ferguson, missouri, today. >> yeah, a source telling fox news exclusively that officer darren wilson was beaten badly by michael brown moments before he shot and killed brown. >> our reporter is live on the ground with the brand-new
details. good morning, garrett. >> reporter: good morning. this source who is close to the head of ferguson's police department says that officer darren wilson suffered an eye fracture and was beaten severely by michael brown moments before he fired and eventually killed michael brown. now, this comes after several other accounts we've heard of this story. it matches up along with those. the account of this source says that when officer wilson pulled up to michael brown and his friend dorian johnson, that they -- the officer asked them to get out of the middle of the road, and they ignored him. and then the officer, he started to get out of his car to tell them to get out of the road again. and at that point, the source says they, quote, shoved him right back in. and that's when michael brown leans in and starts beating officer wilson in the head and the face. end quote. the source goes on to say that when brown started to walk away, that's when officer wilson drew his gun and ordered him to freeze at which point brown
said, "what, are you going to shoot me?" and then charged at wilson, prompting the officer to fire six shots at him. wilson suffered that fracture eye socket and was taken to the hospital after the shooting. and the source says he is now living in fear that the grand jury will try to make an example out of him by bringing those charges against him. last night there were several supporters of officer wilson that came out to the protests here. police quickly whisked them away, though, for their own protection when they were surrounded by other protesters. back to you. >> that's the side of the story that a lot of people have not yet heard, and that changes everything. garrett tenney, thank you very much. meanwhile, coming up, it's happened again. first white flags were flown from the brooklyn bridge. those were american flags that were bleached out. now this. a palestinian flag on the manhattan bridge. and then take a close look at this video. that's a man in a wheelchair stranded during a pounding rainstorm. we'll show you what a police officer did when he thought no one was watching. fact.
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isis soldiers in that youtube video. this morning we now know that an attempt was made by special operators to rescue foley, but it failed. >> yeah, releasing the details of that rescue mission, highly unusual. so what's the pentagon's motivation behind the release, and what message is the president sending to our enemies? >> joining us now is pete hegseth. good morning. why do we need this information right now? is this the administration saying we are engaged in this? we're not hands off in this? we tried? >> that's exactly what this is. politically they need that narrative introduced. we don't know who released it or how the reporters got it. there's plenty of blame to go around. was it the pentagon? was it the white house? we don't know. this is the kind of classified released. it wasn't a successful mission. i do give them credit, though. i'm grateful, i'm glad they did what they could with the intelligence they had, with stressful operators to try to go get those guys deep into syria, a dangerous spot.
you've got to give our special operators credit. they did what they could. >> but there's a track record here, isn't there, from the administration leaking this information. we know from the bin laden raid that some members of the administration reportedly had leaked bits of this information to hollywood. for script-writing purposed. >> that's right. usually the leaking has been to sort of take a victory lap on something that's finally gone right for them. in this case, they've got a beheaded journalist, and it looks like there's been inactivity. they feel like they needed to sort of tell their side of the story that this was done. i think a self-assured confident white house would be able to stand up and talk forcefully about what they're going to do to get the killers knowing they've done this. >> one of the reasons you don't reveal an operation, particularly a covert operation like this, is you destroy the source. whoever inserts the information, yesterday you were on this program and you were talking a little bit about the president was probably going to make a statement yesterday. he did. and then he immediately went golfing. and this is the first thing you talked about when you came in here today. you're furious about it. >> it's maddening.
i watched the statement live. i was actually talking to some folks there saying hey, there's no way that he goes to the golf course after this. there's just no way. at first i said why is he not wearing a tie? can we just get a tie at one time to show the respect and the seriousness of this? he literally went straight from the podium to the 1st tee. i'm not saying i need lbj poring over maps, of targets, but some engage tments would go a long w. >> presidents work hard. they all deserve a vacation and time on the golf course, but the timing is not successful. >> the british prime minister canceling his vacation to come back. the british canceling their vacation. so much at stake. pete, thanks a lot. here's what's coming up, outrage over this story. special needs kids made to sort through the trash at school. and get this, it's part of the school curriculum. >> what school is that? and it's white flags were
flown from the brooklyn bridge, now a palestinian flag pops up on the manhattan bridge. what's going on?
and welcome back now. time for some quick headlines. another flag mysteriously appearing on a new york bridge. this flag supporting palestinians hung from the manhattan bridge, was found shortly after 500 people led a pro-palestinian protest nearby. and just last month, two bleached white american flags were hung at the brooklyn bridge. police say they're closing in on a suspect in that case. in a new experiment you're looking at showed screening machines used by the tsa failed. big time. researchers say the machines failed to pick up guns and
explosives, covered in teflon, tape or molded plastic. anna? thanks so much. 24 minutes after the hour. you've heard the expression "you've come a long way, baby." well, women don't celebrate just yet. listen to these sobering statistics. poverty among women is at a record high. some 55.3 million women have left the work force since the recession. more than 250,000 have dropped out since may. women age ed 55 to 64 will carr the bulk of obamacare premium hikes. the left wants to blame the gop for a so-called war on women. our next guest says we need to set the record straight. and joining us now is carly fiorina, former ceo of hewlett-packard and chairwoman of the unlocking potential project. good morning and thanks for joining us. >> good morning, anna. thanks for having me. >> so yes, we've come a long way, baby, right?
but why is it that many democrats, many voters are still buying this phony war on women? >> well, first of all, we know that propaganda works. and the war on women is shameless, baseless propaganda. put another way, it's a bunch of lies. the problem is people don't know the facts such as you just described to your viewers, they may be afraid, they may be fearful of that propaganda. what we're trying to do is really galvanize women on the ground. we've gotten outhustled on the ground too many elections, so we need to get women prepared to be persuasive with other women. and the reality is that liberal policies are hurting this nation, and they're hurting women. >> as i just mentioned, the bulk of the premium hikes for obamacare are going to fall on the shoulders of women, yet somehow if you give women free birth control, all of a sudden they're going to vote democrat, according to some. it's just silly. i want you to take a look at
this attack ad going on in colorado. let's watch this. >> my opponent, congressman gardner, led a crusade that would make birth control illegal and sponsored a bill to make abortion a felony. >> what do you make of this ad? >> well, first, think about all the headlines that you've been talking about this morning. think about everything that's going on in the world and all the problems in our economy and here at home. and this is the ad that democrats are running? first of all, everything that is said in that ad is untrue. but specifically, women don't lack access to abortion or birth control. women lack access under this administration and under democratic policies to their doctor, to the procedures that their doctor might recommend, to their hospital under obamacare. they lack access to opportunity, as your statistics so painfully show. >> yeah. >> we need to talk about the issues, but this war, left unchecked, will be successful. we know that. >> and if you take a look at those statistics, if women were
to vote today, would you vote democrat or gop? for the gop candidate, rather, this is a fox news poll, 50% said they would vote democratic. 34% say they would vote republican. now, your group is aiming to really organize the gop, send a different message to women, focus on technology, but you're not just focusing on the upcoming election. what's your group doing? >> first also in that poll, we know that 13% of women are undecided. that means they're persuadable. and what we're really doing is focusing on what i would call republican-leaning women, women who mostly agree with us but occasional voters or independent women, women who are open to persuasion. for example, i'm going to denver right after the show. we're going to have a training workshop with women as well as men if they want to join us in how to have those persuasive conversations. we know that ads are one thing, but people are most persuaded by other people they know. so here's how you talk about the issues.
here's how you expose the lies, and here's how you begin to persuade a woman you may know. >> get that conversation started and talk to your neighbors and coworkers. >> exactly. >> carly fiorina, the cha chairperson of the unlocking potential project. looking forward to what your group has to offer. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. 6:29. coming up, the images of his execution are brutal. but our next guest says there's a reason every single american should look at them. judy miller up next on that. then the season opener for a florida football team in serious jeopardy this morning. the reason, a volcano? are you kidding? but first, happy birthday to kenny rogers, a friend of "fox & friends." he's 76 today. ♪ know when to hold 'em ♪ know when to fold 'em ♪ know when to talk away ♪ know when to run ♪ you never count your money ♪ when you're sitting at the table ♪ [ kinda ] we are the saunders.
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a fox news alert. the brutal beheading of american journalist james foley, the military is stepping up air strikes on isis in iraq. the president now considering sending additional troops. this following the revelation that the united states sent a special operations team into syria to search for american hostages, but they got there and nobody was there. mission failed. and the hunt is on for the masked executioner. a british national known as john, one of the so-called beatles, because there were three people from great britain who were their captors. u.s. intel officials are combing the video for more clues. after the murder of james foley, some are calling for an isis media blackout, saying broadcasting images of james foley's death only helps to
further the terror group. >> but fox contributor judy miller says it's a video every american to see to know exactly what we are up against. judy knows a thing or two about journalism because she wound up going to jail to protect a source. >> good morning. >> morning. >> james foley's sister says nobody should watch this. you say everybody should watch it. >> i will. every adult who's interested in foreign affairs who wants to know why, what's going on in syria and iraq affects us as americans. that video makes us understand the nature of the enemy that we're fighting. >> doesn't it, though, elevate isis? as we heard from the president, they were junior varsity only six months ago. now we're not even talking about al qaeda. all eyes on isis. are they the new global threat of terror? and maybe this is elevating them. isn't this exactly what they want? >> well, they put out a video, a message to america. clearly they do want the publicity, and they want people to be frightened of them. and they want the people that they want to subject, they want
the people to think that they are the only game in town. but when ordinary people watch a video, i don't care what your religion or nationality is like this. the automatic instinct kicks in that these people are evil and barbaric. you don't have to sit there and dwell on it, but you have to be reminded that these people are exactly what the president called them, a cancer in the middle east, a disgrace to their religion, people who have nothing to do with islam, who are acting in the name of religion, that 99% of the people who follow that religion would reject. so yes, we must fight isis here, there, everywhere. >> steve mentioned james foley's sister said let's not look at this, let's not promote this. the ceo of twitter has come out and tweeted and basically said the same thing and that he's disbanding any accounts that are promoting this message. we saw the cover of a new york tabloid yesterday that took the
picture one step further than what we've been showing on fox with the knife actually at the throat. i mean, where do you draw the line on that? >> i understand it's up to every news organization to decide what they want to know and what they don't. but i think you can't deny the reality. my concern right now is that americans are becoming so isolationist. they think that what's happening over there doesn't affect us. it may not affect us today, but it will tomorrow unless a group like this is fought and defeated. not just contained but defeated. >> what about, judy, the fact that it sounds like yesterday, the white house, after the video hit, they needed to say, well, we tried. we launched this raid, and it didn't work. >> well, steve, i've been critical of the president and this administration, as you know. on this one, i have to say the news organizations found out about this. they began asking questions about it. you can't lie to the american people. >> that's right. >> and frankly, i'm glad that they did something, tried to do something. what we shouldn't do is
ransom. that's what's really difficult for us. >> and we're the only country that hasn't sent millions. >> but $150 million already has been paid by others. >> that's right. judy miller, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. all right. heather childers joins us this half hour with a look at the news. >> we do have some other headlines to talk about right now. the season opener for a florida football team in jeopardy. the reason, a volcano at the game between the university of central florida and penn state is being played in ireland. and 900 miles away in iceland, a volcano is ready to blow. scientists say the ash could easily travel over to ireland, and that could ground flights going in and out of the country. outrage this morning over this story. special needs kids made to sort through the trash at school. it's part of the school curriculum. well, teachers told the children to sift through garbage for recyclables. it has been going on for years,
but just now has come to light. >> she felt humiliated. she felt stigmatized, and she didn't want to tell me about it. so i didn't find out about it until the story came out in the news. >> the school district now suspending that program, but special education teachers saying that this is good for the kids to teach them life skills. try to figure that out. some incredible news for hall of fame quarterback jim kelly. he is cancer free. doctors treating kelly for sinus cancer say that they have found no evidence of remaining cancer. amazing. kelly underwent several rounds of chemotherapy and radiation this spring. kelly telling his fans, "i still need your prayers." and you have them. well, he thought that no one was watching, but this florida cop's act of kindness going viral after it was caught on dash cam. take a look. officer gill benitez on patrol when he spotted a man in a wheelchair stuck in the pouring
rain. benitez immediately got out of his car. he ran over to help. you can see him pull the wheelchair to get it free. he then pushes the man a block back to his house. he got him inside, dried him off, waited until his family came back home. what a great officer. they do do good things. back to you. >> thank you very much. it is feeling almost like, you know, it feels like fall. >> it does feel like fall here in the northeast. >> that pumpkin spiced latte. a chilly prediction for our winter. are we going to have a brutal winter like this past year? >> yeah, apparently our mild summer here in the northeast is a sign of what's to come coming up this winter. according to the old farmers' almanac, they've issued their winter outlook, and they're predicting a colder than average winter, not just here in the northeast but for the entire two-thirds of the country. and right along portions of the i-95 corridor including right here in new york city, we're talking possible above-average
snowfall. so get ready, bundle up. this is their prediction. other areas as well included are florida. they're predicting that their winter could be rainier than most years. and across california where they really need the rain, they're predicting that that drought will continue. most of the state right now under severe to extreme drought conditions out there. so that's something that we'll continue to watch. otherwise across portions of the northern plains today, we're looking at some heavy showers and storms rolling through parts of southern minnesota. we do have severe thunderstorm watches in effect. we could see some gusty wind, some large hail from some of these storms. it's going to be a rough morning commute for you if you're head out to work on the roadways out there. temperaturewise, not feeling below average across the plains or the southeast. temperatures are extreme. you're talking upper 90s in kansas city and dallas. you factor in that humidity, and this is what's the problem. is those heat indices, 104 in kansas city, 103 in dallas and 101 in tampa and new orleans. we have heat advisories in effect because of dangerous amounts of heat. back inside. >> all right, maria.
104 today in kansas city, and we're talking about a bad winter coming up. >> snow coming. >> one season at a time. >> talking about the pumpkin latte. coming up here, it's one of the biggest stories of the week. governor rick perry's indictment. >> i wholeheartedly and unequivocally stand behind my veto, and i'll continue to defend this lawful action. >> so how did the country react to how he handled the whole situation? we're going to look inside the pulse of the people coming up. and everyone's got to follow the rules unless you have friends in high places like nancy pelosi. details coming up. woman: jimmy, all of these travel sites seem the same. captain obvious: tell your grandmother with the hotels.com loyalty program, she'll earn free nights. so they're not the same, because they're different. woman: jimmy's not my grandson, captain obvious. woman: man: he's my lover. no.
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some quick headlines. california farmers forced to cut back on water to save endangered species, but nancy pelosi's home city of san francisco is exempt from the same restrictions? a lawsuit has now been filed against the project which supplies water to the bay area. the suit says the city shouldn't be exempt from severe cutbacks like area farmers have been. and remember when president obama appeared on "saturday night live" back in 2007? >> who is that under there? >> well, according to a new book about the show, producer lorne michaels says they had actually booked hillary clinton, but she backed out at the last minute. michaels said she was angered at clinton's sense of entitlement. steve, over to you. from the beheading of an american journalist by isis to the chaos in ferguson, missouri,
to texas governor rick perry's indictment, all eyes are on our leaders this week. so for answers to find out how americans are reacting, lee carter joins us. she gives us some results from some focus groups you guys have been conducting. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> yesterday in the noon hour, the president of the united states went on television to talk about james foley. watch this. >> jim foley's life stands in stark contrast to his killers. let's be clear about isil. they have rampaged across cities and villages, killing innocent, unarmed civilians in cowardly acts of violence. >> all right, lee, so you had a focus group last night. what did americans tell you about the way the president presented that message? >> you know, i think what they said is that they responded really favorably to what he had to say. first he was respectful of the family. second, he showed that this was an intolerable act that was a terrible, terrible tragedy.
and third, he said he was going to act. so i think the american people gave him an "a." but i think all eyes are going to be on what he's going to do today because people want a really strong strike and a really strong response from him now. >> meanwhile, some of the biggest headlines of the week have been out of ferguson, missouri, where there have been essentially riots at night. governor jay nixon made this statement. and we're going to play it and then get lee's reaction. listen to this. >> all of us were thunder struck by the pictures we saw. i mean, the overmilitarization, the mraps rolling in, the guns pointed at kids in the street. all of that, i think, instead of ratcheting down brought emotion up, and that's why i made the unique decision to bring in our highway patrol, to have a local leader, captain johnson, from that community in that community, which he has been. >> okay. so you've got the dials there.
the democrats had a higher reaction. they were the blue line. the red line were people who were more conservative. what did your focus groups tell you? >> well, what people said is that ho-hum, he seems like an armchair quarterback. how the images made him seem totally out of touch from the governor's mansion, that he's not on the ground. the only thing they responded favorably to was that he had a local hero involved and the hero of that is captain johnson. >> and the grade you give him? >> i would only give him a "c." >> all right. so he is a governor. he's a democrat. let's now go to a republican governor in the great state of texas. we're talking about rick perry. the news this week that he was indicted after he had threatened to veto $7 million worth of funding for a public integrity unit unless the district attorney resign. he felt she shouldn't be in charge of it because she had been convicted of drunk driving. she was super drunk at the time three times the legal limit.
nonetheless, after the indictment, he went on tv and defended the veto. >> i wholeheartedly and unequivocally stand behind my veto, and i'll continue to defend this lawful action. we don't settle political differences with indictments in this country. >> and that's probably true. >> no, absolutely. i mean, there's obviously a huge divide on party lines. democrats totally agree with what -- you know, the suit. republicans say it's a witch hunt. but the bottom line is she agreed on two things. number one, they agree that he is framing it in positive terms and defending his position, and he seems really strong about it. number two, they say he should just stop talking about the partisan divide and how this is an attack on him because that just makes him part of the problem. so what people are saying is that i think he's handling this in a really good way and that he's as well as he can be, and they like that he's strong on his position. >> all right. so what kind of a grade would you give? >> a "b" minus only because this
is such a tough position and it's really hard to come around. >> this has been a fair and balanced segment. we had an a, b and c. >> yeah. >> lee carter, thank you very much. >> thank you so much. coming up, he hunted bin laden from that guy, dr. mark siegle. hello! three grams daily of beta-glucan... a soluable fiber from whole grain oat foods like cheerios can help lower cholesterol. thank you!
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welcome back. the governor of new hampshire declared a state of emergency after 44 reported overdoses linked to smoking or ingesting what's called smacked. this synthetic marijuana isn't hard to come by. it's actually legally sold in convenience stores as potpourri. what do parents need to know about it? dr. mark siegle joins us now. potpourri? what is this? >> you said it's legal. but here is the issue. the manchester police department closed down three convenience stores that had it. meaning that it's really not supposed to be in there, but people sneak it in there and then everybody uses it without knowing what they're getting. it's compounds which are a cousin of marijuana. very similar to marijuana, but you don't know what you're getting. it's more active. research shows it binds the receptors in the brain more tightly than pot does. so you get more pronounced effects. >> here are some of the symptoms. take us through some of those. this is different than
marijuana. maybe not much. anxiety, agitation might be added to the mix. what else? >> racing heartbeat, high blood pressure, nausea, vomiting, seizures, suicidal ideas. if you have an underlying problem of a heart condition. 44 cases of overdoses in new hampshire this year. to give you an idea, poison centers are getting over 2,000 calls a year on this particular stuff. you could sprinkle it into marijuana. you can eat it. you can smoke it. you can smoke it as part of pot or you can have it separately. so people can get it and more of a high than getting from pot. >> if i go into a random little gift shop where they sell potpourri, they may actually have it in there, but may be unaware it's illegal and kids are coming in to smoke this stuff? >> if i had to wager on this, if they're selling it, they're probably less concerned than they ought to be.
that's the problem. i think probably a lot of convenience stores know what they're doing, but not policing it themselves. that's the biggest problem. you just said it, kids are getting this stuff. kids are getting this stuff. smoking pot is part of a culture. but this is even more dangerous 'cause it's more active, can cause more harm, have more pronounced effects, cause psychosis and problem with the heart. people are getting it younger and younger without knowing what they're getting. >> parents, pay attention to this out there. dr. mark siegle, fascinating. >> this is a big warning for parents out there. >> absolutely. coming up, bill o'reilly cutting his vacation short, outraged over the michael brown media coverage. >> this carl taken has the gall to do that and nbc husband is paying him! my god! why is that acceptable? >> and that's not all. more from o'reilley at the top of the hour. then her father diagnosed with a debilitating disease. but this bride didn't want him to miss the wedding, so she moved it to him.
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classmate. >> she told me that we're not going to have godly speak not guilty her class. >> did her teacher cross the line? we're going to report and you are going to decide. thank you for joining us on this thursday morning. you're watching "fox & friends". hey, everybody. thanks for being with us. there are so many worst things you could say than god bless you. >> right. that's a natural reaction. >> you're so good looking. welcome to "fox & friends" this morning. a fox news alert following the brutal murder of american journal james foley. the u.s. stepping up air strikes on isis militants in iraq. >> leeland vittert is live with that and we're just finding out that apparently the administration ok'd a rescue mission, but that didn't work out. >> reporter: no. sadly not. the rescue mission didn't work
out. we're learning details in the past 12 or so hours of this story broke overnight. the special operations team spent a lot of time on the ground in the desert of eastern syria searching one compound, then went to a second location searching for a number of american hostages but left empty handed. they did kill a number of isis militants. they didn't find who they were looking for. they believe those hostages had been moved a few days before the raid went off. the focus now in terms of this investigation here into james foley's killing is also now focusing on his executioner, who exactly is this man here in the video, the guardian newspaper reports he's a british national who goes by the name of john from london and part of an ultraradical isis group that operates inside syria. he was reportedly the ring leader in a ransom swap for 11 hostages. the "new york times" reports isis offered to free foley for
$11 million and other demands, but the white house refused, saying the united states did not negotiate with terrorists. >> they claim out of expediency that they are at war with the united states or the west, but the fact is they terrorize their neighbors and offer them nothing but an endless slavery to their empty vision. people like this ultimately fail. >> reporter: coins or not, president obama's statement in details occurred on the same day the pentagon discussed sending 300 more soldiers to iraq namely to provide security assistance in and around the u.s. embassy compound there inside baghdad. also comes as more air strikes against isis in iraq are being carried out. there are still other americans currently held by isis. whether or not there is going to be another rescue attempt is yet to be seen. we know the special force teams involved in the last rescue attempt all made it home safely with one minor injury. back to you in new york. >> thank you very much. the big question is why would
they be publicizing the fact that we had this rescue mission and it didn't work out? a lot of people saying it's politics. the president had to say look, i know he was killed, but i did something. >> and after the press conference that we saw from the president yesterday, wasn't much longer that he went right back to the golf course while on vacation. contrast that with david cameron who rushed back from vacation upon the news. bill o'reilly came back from his vacation. he's outraged about a different story making headlines has been playing out. the michael brown story. take a listen to bill o'reilly. >> i came back from vacation because i am furious, furious about how the shooting death of 18-year-old michael brown is being reported and how various people are react to reacting to. mr. brown is a victim. shot six times by ferguson police officer darren wilson, who up until august 9 had a very good record. now, some suspect wilson a murderer and a grand jury is hearing the case.
also attorney general eric holder went to ferguson, missouri today to meet with f.b.i. agents and state authorities who are conducting separate investigations. good! the feds should look into this case. and their investigation should be transparent. that is americans should get hard information as it comes out. which brings us to this video of mr. brown stealing from a convenience store and pushing the clerk around. agitators call the release of the video a smear against michael brown and his family. further inflaming the situation. but facts are not smears and this goes to mr. brown's state of mind on the day he was killed. americans have a right to know what happened leading up to the shooting. you don't suppress an important piece of information in a case like this when only one side of the story is being reported by the media, which is generally terrified of any racial situation. then there is the looting,
disgraceful. one guy even has gun of the shoots the lock off the door while his cohorts break in and steal the merchandise. it doesn't get any lower than this. the people rioting and looting in ferguson are dishonoring the memory of michael brown and his grieving family. they are insulting them. again, flat out disgraceful. the factor has been investigating those arrested. monday night, 78 people were taken into custody and we believe about 30 of them have criminal records. only four four out of the 78 are from ferguson. the others are trouble makers who streamed into town. but the liberal media will never report that. nor will they report the true picture of criminal justice in the usa. instead nbc news pays al sharpton to deliver garbage like
this. >> a young man, 18 years old, shot down in the streets unarmed and rather than you address it, you tried to sneak the young man rather than uphold the principles of justice and dignity! i want you to know these parents are not gonna cry alone! they're not gonna stand alone! they're not gonna fight alone! we have had enough! >> enough of what, al? enough of what? police efficiency? in 2012, the last stats available from the f.b.i., there were about 12 million arrests in the usa. that averages out to 34,000 arrests per day. in 99.9% of those cases, the
perpetrator was not killed by police. in fact, just over 400 fatal police shootings a year are recorded in this country, according to the f.b.i so let me restate, 12 million arrests a year. 400 fatal shootings, many of them justified. and al sharpton has the nerve to insult the american police community, men and women risking their lives to protect us. this charlatan has the gall to do that and nbc news is paying him. my god! why is that acceptable? also on msnbc, another agitator said this. >> there is a war on black boys in this country, in my opinion, there is a war on african-american men. it is an absolutely deplorable situation that the united states, which is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth,
allows black boys to be murdered. >> black boys being murdered in the context of ferguson. are you kidding me? the truth is that 91% of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks. 91%. yet that woman tries to mislead folks by accusing american law enforcement of shooting down young black men in the streets. it's beyond belief. what is going on in this story is beyond belief. yet these people get away with it and in certain places, respected. yet al sharpton is going to speak at the funeral of michael brown on monday morning. the slogan of racial agitators are using in ferguson is hands up, don't shoot. they apparently believe that michael brown was trying to surrender when officer wilson shot him dead. maybe that's true. we'll find out.
but msnbc put a person on the air who said mr. brown was shot in the back. that turns out to be false, according to an autopsy. we also hear today that officer wilson has an orbital blowout fracture of his eye socket. "the factor" has not been able to confirm that and we do not want to try this case on television. we're only reporting the alleged injury to demonstrate that there will be much more to come in this case. that is why there is an investigation and a grand jury and a trial process. but to the race hustlers, officer wilson is already guilty. they have convicted him. their slogan it no justice, no peace. i guess that's lynch mob justice because those people will never accept anything other than a conviction of murder in this case. they don't really care what happened. they want officer wilson punished.
and he should be punished if he murdered michael brown, if a jury finds wilson guilty, he should be put in prison for the rest of his life. but officer wilson is entitled to the presumption of innocence that we all have under our constitution, something al sharpton will never give him because sharpton only cares about his own self-agrand eyesment. and if he has to stoke racial hatred, he'll do in a. i know this man. his record defines him. yet he succeeded in bringing his racial grievance to the white house. when president obama announced his brother's keeper initiative, i was there, sharpton was there. finally, the president himself. he was completely correct to call for calm in missouri. that is his job to lead the nation. but now the president should step aside and allow his own
justice department headed by eric holder, certainly sympathetic to michael brown, to uncover the facts. as you saw with the o. j. simpson acquittal, our justice system can be very flawed, but it's all we have. it's the only thing separating us from the anarchy that al sharpton and others want to impose. what happened to michael brown should never happen to any american. what happened after his death should never happen in this country. but it is happening and only the truth will overcome the chaos. and that's a memo. >> you know what? that was the first time in history of this program we have ever played an entire bill o'reilly talking points memo. but it was so powerful and he was so outraged, we wanted you to see the whole thing. >> yeah. justice for the situation. not just for michael brown, not just for officer wilson, justice for the whole thing. breaking right now, the two americans near death after contracting ebola now leaving the hospital. are they still contagious?
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our attempt to get them. the second thing is, you don't want to put them on the alert that we know where they're holding their prisoners or we think they know where they're holding their prisoners. finally, by announcing it and giving the impression we're still looking, we may move up the execution of the last two americans that they have. it seems to me a juvenile thing to do, sir. >> all right. speaking of juvenile, it was in january that the president of the united states referred to isis as the j.v. team. and yesterday he said this about isis. >> governments and peoples across the middle east, there has to be a common effort to extract this cancer so that it does not spread. >> okay. so in january he called it jv. now it's cancer. what do you make of it? >> he is where he has been since he became president, sir. he's absolutely clueless about what this enemy is up to, what it's about and more importantly, i think, what we're seeing in
the growth of the islamist movement is the popularity of that movement across the middle east. you can't fight unless you have manpower and their manpower is increasing. their geographical reach is increasing, and thanks to the arab spring, they're better armed and have more veteran fighters than they've ever had before. this is not a cancer. this is not a terrorist group. this is in essence a world wide insurgency which we have encoupled by refusing consistently to kill them. we have failed in the field in every opportunity we had to murder them. >> sure. and there are people who are calling for more boots on the ground over there. but what you suggest is this is a big problem. the most important thing we can do right now is close our borders. >> the only thing we could have done after 9-11 that would really improve u.s. security, steve, was to close the southern borrowedder and perhaps even spots on the northern border with canada. at least you secure the
continent in that way. right now we're exposed not only internationally, but we don't know who is in our country. the border is primarily -- remains mostly open. and it's an essential part of national defense in an age when you're not fighting an army that's going to march in and combat order. it's going to infiltrate. it seems to me to be just a simple conclusion of logic. close the border. protect america. but we don't have politicians who give a darn about protecting america. they are concerned with not being called anti-hispanic or antihuman rights. so americans will die because of their preening to the small liberal crowd on the left who believes that we're the homeland for everybody instead of the homeland for americans. >> and there are a number of people on the left who says the border is secure and we know that is not the truth. we thank you very much for joining us live from washington. >> pleasure, sir. thank you. alzheimer's disease was going to keep her father from
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time for news by the numbers. first, $1 billion. that's how much it's going to cost taxpayers to install these scanners in airports all across the country. just one problem, the scanners don't work. researchers bought some and were able to easily sneak guns and even explosives through them. that's not the idea. next, 400. that's how many workers will be out of a job when the factory where twinkies were invented shuts down. the hostess plant near chicago set to close in october. that's sad. and finally, 8%.
that's how much less the tooth fairy is leaving this year. children now get an average of 3.40 for every tooth lost. that's down from 3.70 last year. who leaves 3.40? >> what's up with the tooth fairy. the perfect we had something what every bride wishes for. one bride refused to let her father's illness keep him from walk her down the aisle. >> joining us is newly wed miriam davis. congratulations on your marriage. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> so you're from a family of faith. your father, bernard, was a police chaplain, pastor, served in the army during vietnam. how important was it for you to have your dad at your wedding, your hero, you say? >> it was very important. it was like the number one thing on my mind.
i just thought the event wouldn't mean much if my father wasn't there. it was important that he was at the ceremony. >> so you were planning to have the wedding in michigan where you're from. of course, your father is not in michigan. he's in ohio. he's been suffering from alzheimer's. he was diagnosed at age 55. so he's been living with alzheimer's disease now for about nine years. what prompted you to say, you know what, we know he can't come here. we need to pick up and bring the whole wedding to him. >> originally we were going to have it at a church, of course, but at first i thought i should ask the facility if i could have him come to my wedding at the church. but i didn't want to take him out of his element and make him nervous or scared. so my sister came up with the idea and brought it up that maybe we should try to have it at the foundation park where he
is. so we went forth in asking them could we have the wedding there. they were super excited and let us plan it out. they gave us no problems. they were very cooperative. >> so many people were crying in the audience there at your wedding trying to hold back emotions. what was it like to have your father walk you down the aisle? >> it was amazing. i was of course nervous because i didn't want him to be afraid or uncomfortable or not be able to walk me down, but as soon as like we hit the doors, he smiled and i just knew it was going to be okay. he stood there and he sat through the ceremony and it just made everything -- it meant everything to me. and i was crying, too. >> makes me cry now. >> okay. here is to your father's health and to a happy, healthy forever marriage for you. thank you so much for being with us today.
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good morning. fox news alert. following the brutal murder of american journalist james foley, the u.s. is stepping up air strikes on isis militants in
iraq. the president now considering sending an additional 300 troops. this coming as it's revealed the u.s. sent in a special operations team in syria to search for american hostages. they were able to kill several isis militants, but the american hostages were not found. now the hunt is on for the mass executioner, a british national known as john. he is believed to be part of an ultraradical group of isis operating inside syria. u.s. intelligence officials are combing the video for more clues, including analyzing the landscape. and there are still other americans being held hostage, including another journalist, steven sotloff, who appeared at the end of the horrific video. but it is unknown if there will be any more rescue attempts. >> we are also hearing this morning, there was a ransom demand of $100 million or euros, according to one story for foley that the united states refused to pay. then just last week before james foley was executed, isis sent an
e-mail to his boss at the global post, this web site. they received the e-mail from isis and he joins us on the phone now. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> tell us a little bit about the e-mail you got last wednesday. >> let me just correct one important thing. the e-mail came directly to the family, the foley family. it was wednesday night. they made no demands in this communication. >> no demands? >> no demands. it was filled with rage against the united states for the bombing and they said they were going to execute him as a result. >> you've been working on this for quite a while now. >> almost two years. >> almost two years. what was happening in those two years that most americans had no idea was unfolding behind the scenes? >> you know, so much. i've been a journalist for 46
years and it goes against our nature to withhold information and not write the stories that you have. but it was a long process unfolding to learn where jim was, who was holding him and try to determine how we could free him. along the way, of course, we learned that other americans were being held hostage. that fact was never known to the american people. my thoughts this morning are not only with jim's family and my colleagues, but with the families of the other three american hostages. >> during the two years, how closely was the white house involved in this? was there regular communication? >> the foleys, john and diane foley, jim's parents, did a remarkable job of reaching out to everyone in our government.
obviously the f.b.i. which supervises kidnappings, but state department and the white house. great concern was shown by everyone. it was never clear what could be done and the news of yesterday, which i assume the president revealed for the first time when he called the foleys at home, was never known to us. we never had any idea. >> about the rescue? >> yeah. we never had any idea about the rescue. we always talked about whether a special ops mission could take place. we knew the incredibly -- it would be dangerous. we knew where he was being held. not a fact that been much discussed. >> hold on just a second, phil. you knew where he was held. was that in raca, syria? >> yes. >> and that was revealed to you by the europeans who had a release negotiated?
>> yes. there were, as you know, quite a stream of western hostages who began to be released in the spring of this year. first spanish journalist and then french, italian, danish, german. none of those journalists talked publicly, but we interviewed all of them through our security firm. diane foley herself talked to quite a number of them in europe. they gave us a lot of information about jim's captivity, about the incredible strength that jim had and how he was really an inspiration to the other hostages. jim was singled out for the harshest treatment and he never broke and he never gave up hope that we would bring him back. >> 'cause he truly believed in his cause. philip, people who are familiar with the region, what's going on there have come forward and said it's almost like a black hole there for some journalists that go and they're never heard from
again. isis appears to be getting even more bold with their actions in recent weeks and months. is this the first correspondence from an e-mail, this rage letter that you talk about that you had direct contact with them? >> no. we had our first communication from the captors in november of last year and it was stating a demand, you said it in your inter. it was expressed in euros, 100 million euros. there were other demands made. of course, we shared all of that information with the government. you know, it's illegal to pay a ransom in the united states. it's not in europe. so there was never any consideration that the united states government would pay a ransom. the family would pay a ransom and we began negotiations with the kidnappers, but they ended the negotiations for no reason and never resumed them despite
our efforts. >> what a daunting task for a family to try to raise 100 million euros, which is $130 million. i'm sure they did all they could. i know you there at your organization along with the foleys and even the federal government did spend millions of dollars trying to bring them back. and now the news about the rescue with those brave men dropping out of those helicopters to try to find them and he simply wasn't there. >> i don't understand that. obviously they're not going to share that classified information with us. obviously i would like to know how it was that we couldn't identify the location. maybe at some point in time we'll find that out. >> we know there are other journalists, still many, many more journalists being held hostage around the world. what would you like to see happen from the federal government
going forward? >> you know, i think that there needs to be a reassessment of how we handle situations like this, what sort of communication can take place among governments and i think there is a lot of postmortem to be done here to figure out how we can do better the next time. i can tell you we're devastated by jim's loss. i mean, we did everything humanly possible. jim, his example, i mean, the bravery he showed, if you watch that video, i hope you did not, but until the very last moments, until that knife went into his throat, he never waiverred. he showed no sign of fear. >> we hope that sotloff will be able to come home. we hear the heart break in your
voice. the images stunned us. but being so close -- >> he was your friend. >> he was. >> all right. we're sorry for your loss and please extend our condolences to the foley family as well. >> i will. thank you. >> joining us from global post. we got more news this morning. heather child dress standing by. >> a couple headlines. a fake cop in real trouble. a man under arrest this morning accused of impersonating a police officer. and get this, he's the dad of the affluence zoo teen-ager. he's the one who killed four people while driving drunk, and never learned right from wrong because he was so rich and privileged. well, north richland hills police say his dad showed up to a domestic disturbance call flashing a badge and it's not clear why he was pretending to be a cop in the first place, but he's in trouble. and it all started with a simple sneeze.
kendra turner, a high school senior was sitting in class when her friends sneeze. instinctively she said bless you. her teacher then demanded to know which student said it and then sent her to the principal's office. >> she told me that we're not going to have godly speaking in her class and i said, my pastor told me it's my constitutional right, freedom of religion and freedom of speech. >> turner received an in-school suspension, missing the rest of the class. but says she forgives her teacher and doesn't want any trouble for her because that, too, goes against her religion. and finally this, time for your "fox & friends" biology lesson. the food chain edition. check out this video. >> oh, my god! >> that is a massive grouper gobbling up a four-foot black tip shark in just one bite. the fisherman had the shark on the line off the coast of benita
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hope you're doing well. quick headlines. police getting a head start on a burglary investigation thanks to this selfy. a woman found electronics stolen from her home and found a mysterious selfy uploaded to her cloud, but has no idea who these people are. police are looking for them now. do you recognize them? and a nanny cam for corvette owners? 2015 models will now be able to record what valets do behind the wheel after the owner hands over the keys. it shoots video and records audio all over the car. >> you could use that for your children, too, if you're going to give them your corvette. tear gas, tanks and police in body armor cracking down on protest increase ferguson. >> that imagery raising serious concerns with some over the militarization of american police forces. >> so is this law enforcement gone too far? john stossel is the host of "stossel" on the "fox business" network. good morning to you. so is this going too far?
>> yes. and government always grows and the police are no exception. they're giving them all this equipment and when you have it, you tend to use it. if you show up at a disturbance with all this equipment and shields, think about a shield. you're inviting someone to throw something at you. >> on the other hand, if there is a catastrophe, what if you don't have the equipment? >> right. if there is a hostage situation, one force used a garbage truck to protect their people. you need to have some. but there used to be one swat team raid in america every month. now there are 100 every week. >> many of these swat team interventions are for serving warrants, or showing up to houses to kick down doors. >> it's the drug war, where you could use a ruse, like hey, you got a ups package or won a contest. wake them up at 6:00 o'clock in the morning. >> you got to figure that if you come into a situation, and it happens sometimes in little towns, sometimes in big towns. if there is a situation where somebody is completely clad in
body armor and they seem invincible, unless you've got the tools to take them out, you're going to have a problem. >> some forces need the tools. but they are vastly overused, like government -- everything government does. >> here are some numbers. $449 million in military gear given to police in 2013. swat teams in small towns, over 80% of small towns have swat teams. 90% are in larger areas. >> 90,000 machine guns they were given. 73 grenade launchers. why do they need grenade launchers? >> i talked to members of the military who say they're so outraged about this. they say we train for years and then you get some guy who don't -- you get some hot headed guy who doesn't know how to use this material and it's outrageous to some members of the military. >> some of the national guard may not be all that well trained. young kids. and some cops may be very well trained. we shouldn'tover generalize on that. >> sure. the larger point is there are so
many of these super weapons out there now, the question is where do you draw the line? obviously some swat teams are needed, but maybe not that many. is that what you're saying? >> ferguson, that they came out pointed guns at people. they had so much of this equipment. that's provocative in a town where there has been racial unrest for a long time. >> all right. john stossel, you can watch him. he's got a show on fox business. it is tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern time on fox business. john, thank you very much. coming up on "fox & friends," the question of ransom. who should pay to rescue americans? our government or the family or should no one pay? colonel hunt has an interesting point of view on that. first on this date back in 1980, "magic" by olivia newton john, number one song in america. ♪ ♪
there are a lot of questions about ransoms being paid this morning. who should pay to rescue americans? our government or the family, or should nobody ever pay a terrorist? joining us is fox news military analyst, colonel david hunt. good morning to you. >> hi. >> we just had a guest who was james foley's boss at global post and he was talking about how it's against the law here in the united states for the federal government to negotiate with terrorists. however, they do do that in europe. what's your point of view? >> couple. i think that we should go after americans if we can find them. i think we have to do a lot more than the raids, there are intel
issues. there were imperfect operations always. u.s. government needs to get involved in negotiating with these. everything is switched. i'm not going to use the word paradigm. everything changed since 9-11. >> what's the -- >> the spanish did this and the french did it. i think the governments need to be involved and yes, start negotiating with funding. >> we haven't done this for hundreds of years. pirates, we don't negotiate with pirates. we don't pay their ransoms. does this set a dangerous precedent, colonel, where they're emboldened, we're going to grab more americans? that's our life line for money? >> there were three beheadings during the iraq war. couple americans and a brit. then we had another journalist in pakistan. i think that that is a worst image than the image of u.s. government, joining in with the other governments and at least talking about this. 1 million euro is never going to get paid. that was a negotiating point
going back and forth. i want the u.s. government to care enough to try almost anything except trade for terrorists. i think american citizens' lives have to be worth more. i did not appreciate, a lot of people don't -- leaking the information of this raid. it should never have been done. this administration has been blaming intel communities for isis, which it was not, and blaming it for the lack of information going after foley. those are imperfect operations. >> what's the danger of this, colonel hunt? we heard that the family was trying to negotiate. they were trying to pay. the terrorists all of a sudden decided to stop negotiating, appearing that they cared more about their message of propaganda than they cared about the money. is this just emboldening them? >> again, the spanish were successful in this, as were the french and some others. i think that it was unrealistic to think the foleys were gog
come up with $100 million. but again, i think if the u.s. government with its finances with government, you can expect war. you're never going to pay the immediate ransom. by the way, this was a two-year captivity, as it is with one of the other journalists. it's not like this happened overnight. i just think the u.s. government has got to change its policy, or face more of these pictures which we did during the war. >> sure. absolutely. and as isis is spreading, you say more air raids and more air strikes, but do not put boots on the ground. colonel david hunt reporting today from boston. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> you're welcome. it's 3 1/2 minutes before the top of the hour. breaking news, the two americans who were infected with ebola are leaving the hospital. the questions are, could they possibly still be contagious? >> and are you thinking about hiring somebody to fix your house? well, there is a lot you need to know.
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good morning. today is thursday, the 21st of august, 2014. i'm anna kooiman in for elisabeth hasselbeck. we now know special forces tried and failed to rescue american journalist james foley. but why was that top secret mission exposed? >> good question. meanwhile, while the family of james foley breaks down in tears, president of the united states after he made a statement went golfing after saying he will and we will take action with others. what? >> this is a quote. we will act against isil standing alongside others. what the hell does that mean? >> maybe this is what the president meant by staying the course in iraq. a golf course.
let's be honest, sometimes it's easier to hire someone to do those home improvements. >> you want to set your laminate securely. >> how can you ensure you don't get scammed by the contractors? what you need to know this hour. don't stick your forehead on plywood. "fox & friends" hour three starts right now. >> welcome to the tool time edition of "fox & friends." that was a great show. >> do you know anyone that's gotten ripped off from contractors? >> all the time. >> pony up the money and they don't complete the project and then can't find them after you spend $10,000. >> oftentimes. last you see them is when they cash the check. we have got a very busy final hour today. we start with a fox news alert. yesterday we showed you the
images, some of the still frame images of james foley being held by his eventual executioner of isis from youtube. now we understand that apparently u.s. special operators tried to rescue him in syria this summer. this on the heels of apparently as early as last spring the federal government was told by six european hostages which were freed by the militants, isis, because hostage -- rather ransom money was paid, they said, by the way, james foley is in raca, syria. go get him if you want him. apparently we tried to go get him. those brave men who were part of this particular raid, which involved several dozen special operators, choppers, drones, it was blackhawks, the guys from the night stalker team as well, they went in, got there and he wasn't there. nobody was there. they apparently had been moved. there was some small arms fire.
one special operator got shot in the leg, i believe. he is fine. but they just turned around and came home. >> so why are we just learn being this now and who in the obama administration would have released this information because this came from the white house and the pentagon. judy miller on our show earlier and said they felt compelled to do this, get out in front of the story because media outlets were starting to ask questions and were going to report it. though charles krauthammer and john bolton think that something else is at play here. let's listen. >> this is a political reaction to a horrific event. the administration is trying to say we're not just standing by and watching. so you can understand that politically. but it is the usual instinct of this administration to think first of the politics. >> i think this is a stunning breach of security for the united states. obviously ordered by the white house. i cannot conceive of the pentagon releasing this on their own. this is exactly the sort of thing that should remain
completely confidential for 50 years. number one, because it tells people what we tried to do. number two, it's an admission of failure. well, the united states tried again and couldn't do it. and number three, whoever it was we relied upon, whoever gave us the tip is now in jeopardy from the islamic state and may be dead already. this is just not something you do. >> right. how dangerous is it to put all your cards out on the table and show everybody what you're working with? doesn't make sense. then as far as the intelligence gathering goes in the future, as john bolton mentioned, potentially that person is dead or will be unwilling to come forward. >> sure. plus you also have to wonder if apparently we knew in spring, according to philip from global post, the former hostages told people, yeah, go to that particular town, raka, syria, and then months later there wasn't a rescue effort until
summer. why was that? they obviously tried their best to go ahead and confirm the location, probably drones and stuff like that. still it sounds like months 'til they went in there. >> we also know there had been communication with the family, from isis. they had been sending e-mails to the family of james foley. >> since november of 2013. >> yeah. this wasn't just one off e-mail that occurred last week. they had been communicating with them. violence with rage-filled e-mails. they had been requesting money. ransom was requested. it's illegal in the united states to do so. the family and others were trying to figure out how they could raise the money, well over 100 million euro. and members -- well, europeans were able to pay isis, had been funneling millions of dollars to them. the united states is the only country to not do that. so a lot of questions this morning to whether or not we should have paid ransom. >> i was just going to say, just follow up on clayton's point, because the family wanted to pay and said we're going to do our
best to raise the money. it's $132 million, it's going to take a little while. we need time. that's when isis cut off the conversation. so they really didn't want the money. they wanted to make a point. >> they have tons of money. they've been robbing banks, seized oil fields. is this saying our message is more important than the money? we want to behead americans. we want to show you who is boss. beat on our chest a little bit and show you we are growing and we're here to stay. >> we're trying to find out more about who exactly the guy is. john, the executer, the man -- that's what he goes by, the man responsible for the behead not guilty that horrible video. from england, shockingly. that's probable low why david cameron decided to call his vacation short, come back just after one day. he's apparently a member of the beatles, as they're being called, because other english speaking radicals who have been radicalized, saying they wanted to join the fight as martyrs
against allah and joining isis. >> yeah. and these six european hostages, who were freed by isis in the spring said yeah, we called those three guys who were our guards the beatles. this john character they're trying to figure out more about him. meanwhile, after the video came out, the big question is, how would the united states respond? we responded this way. more air strikes. there were 14 yesterday alone on isis targets. the big question is this, what will be the response going forward? the president has said he's outraged, but clearly only the united states of america can take on isis. michael shoyer who once upon a time headed up the bin laden unit was with us and he said the problem for this president is he simply does not understand the threat. >> he is where he has been since he became president. he's absolutely clueless about what this enemy is up to, what it's about, and more importantly i think, what we're seeing in the growth of the islamist
movement is the popularity of that movement across the middle east. this is not a cancer. this is terrorist group. this is in essence a world wide insurgency which we have encouraged by refusing consistently to kill them. >> startling reminder that they're recruiting westerners as well with john the executor. >> the president yesterday was at the podium without a tie on in massachusetts. 45 minutes after he gave that press conference, right to the putter. went to the golf course 45 minutes later. at the same time, david cameron was coming back from his vacation in england, cutting that vacation short. >> some people are outraged that when you think about the imagery, you've got the president of the united states right there screen left. he's out, at the same time the parents of james foley were giving that emotional press conference. >> presidents deserve time off. they deserve to be on the golf course. but have some sensitivity.
>> not smart timing. it's 9 minutes after the top of the hour. and heather childers joins us for breaking news. >> big story we were talking about, an update for you. they were near death just a few weeks ago. but in just a few hours, the two americans diagnosed with ebola are actually going to be released from the hospital. emory university make the announcement a short time ago. dr. kent brantley and nancy writebol contracted the virus in liberia. brantley expected to speak at a news conference this morning. that will happen at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. the patients are no longer contagious, we're told. wow. she's just 13 years old, but a judge says that she is old enough to stand trial on charges that she started one of the most destructive wildfires of the year. prosecutors say that she sparked the fire on purpose. the flames ripped through three dozen homes north of san diego,
causing $12 million in damage. police say they're not saying yet how they linked her to the crime. robin williams at peace. we learned he was cremated the day after he took his own life. his ashes scattered in the san francisco bay near his home. williams' wife revealed the 63-year-old had been diagnosed with parkinson's disease, but he was not yet ready to reveal that to the world. those are a look at your headlines. back to you. >> thank you very much. ten minutes after the hour. a major bombshell out of ferguson. a source telling fox news that officer darren wilson was badly beating at the hands of michael brown. >> this as new video is being released of wilson being honored by the police department six months before that deadly shooting. >> garrett teny is live with the new details. good morning, garrett. >> reporter: good morning. this source who is very close to the head of the ferguson police department says that officer wilson suffered major injuries,
including a fracture to his eye bone in his eye socket as a result of michael brown beating him in the incident shortly before he was shot and killed. this new information comes from a source that is very close to members of the ferguson police department and tells us to fox news exclusively, says after michael brown ignored orders to get out of the middle of the road, officer wilson started getting out of his vehicle when brown, quote, shoved him right back in and that's when michael brown leans in and starts beating officer wilson in the head and the face. wilson suffered a fractured eye socket and was then taken to the hospital, according to this source. and they say the 28-year-old officer is now scared for his life and terrified that a grand jury that has now begun viewing evidence in this case will try to make an example out of him. we're also seeing the first video images of officer wilson. this comes from a ferguson city council meeting just six months before the shooting and shows
the officer receiving a commendation for his extraordinary effort in the line of duty. supporters of darren wilson made a brief appearance at some of the protests last night. but they were quickly whisked away by police officers when other protesters began to surround them. police say that it was for their own safety and online donation campaign for officer wilson and his family has collected nearly $120,000 in just the last four days. >> all right. garrett teny reporting live from ferguson, missouri today. thank you very much. a lot of news. >> when you see that woman who is a supporter of officer wilson having to be whisked away for her own safety, it makes you realize these protesters aren't out there for freedom of speech. they're to push their side. >> setting up a voter registration booth? you think? it's believed to be some of the latest video ever taken of james foley. the story behind this footage from the friend who took it is
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we're very proud of jim. he was a courageous, fearless journalist, very compassionate american. i mean, the best of america. and he always hoped that he would come home. that was his hope and he standed all the others who were with him really with that hope. >> those are james foley's parents. as we remember jim, we bring in a close friend of him, matthew van dyke. >> he's an award winning film maker and has the last video that anybody has seen of foley. some of the last moments captured on video. thanks for being with us. i'm sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> as we take a look back, tell us what you loved about james. >> he's one of the best people i've known. he was honest. he was hard work. he had a real passion for what
he did. even after in libya when he was captured, he went right back to reporting the same conflict. then onto syria. i don't know anybody who ever said a bad thing about jim. he was loved by his colleagues and his friends. >> talk about how things changed once isis came into the picture, once we started hearing, we only became really familiar with it publicly really over the last few months. it's become a household name in this country. but what happened in that region when isis started to pour in? >> the whole revolution changed. isis arrived on the scene in spring 2013. and syria became a black hole for foreigners. journalists would go in and disappear, including numerous friends of mine, including steven sotloff who is in the video. you would be talking to somebody one day on facebook or e-mail and the next day you wouldn't hear from them again. >> it goes to show you how bloodies -- bloodies thisy isis is. >> how are they finding the
journalists? is it easy to track them down? what's the motivation? is it money from isis? is that what they want at the end of the day? >> it's partially money. it's partially bargaining chips. as we've seen here to try to influence u.s. policy. a lot of times they either grab in ambushes or fixers, people hired by journalists to help them sell them out. >> from your standpoint, how should we be covering it? this is something new we haven't seen, these people. but that's another whole can of worms that we have to deal with. should we be showing this video? should we be showing the images? is that emboldening isis? >> i think it's important to show parts of the video and to show the images because it shows the barghoutiity of this -- barbarity of this group. >> have you watched it? i wasn't going to watch it, i was asked so many times, so i watched it. i don't advise people to see it because it might disturb some people.
in the abstract, you hear about what happened and it doesn't hit you the same way as if you actually see the level of cruelty that is involved with this group. >> matthew, what should the united states government be doing to isis? >> destroy isis as quickly as possible. >> because right now with this i wanted air strikes, is this the way to do it? >> absolutely not. you saw in syria the moderate opposition tried to take on isis. they did some damage, but they didn't eliminate isis and isis came back. you see in libya they tried to take on extremists and they did not eliminate them. extremists had a resurgence and they're there making games. you have to eliminate it completely. >> you're not the only one who feels that way. thank you for joining us. sorry about your loss. >> thank you for having me. 20 minutes after the top of the hour. up next, do we have another beau bergdahl on our hands? this marine now accused of being a deserter. think about hiring someone to fix up your house? there is a lot you need to know.
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welcome back. quick headlines now. brand-new video out of iraq. those are kurdish fighters patrolling the mosul dam. earlier this week, u.s. air strikes took out isis militants there, allowing the ground troops to take back the dam. and an accused deserter expected in court today. marine corporal appeared in iraq -- disappeared in iraq. he said he was kidnapped by insurgents, but some in the military doubted his story. once back in the u.s., he disappeared again and failed to return to camp lejeune.
first it was white flags put on the brooklyn bridge. now this. a palestinian flag was hung from the manhattan bridge. the flag found flying shortly after 500 people led a pro-palestinian protest nearby. anna? >> thanks. making improvements to your home can be fun and exciting. but it can also be dangerous on your wallet. it's important to protect yourself from the contractor and subcontractor payment scams. so what do you need to know to stay safe? here now to answer some of your questions is fox news legal analyst, bob massi. great to see you as always. >> good morning. thank you. >> one point is there are some subcontractor friendly states and some homeowner friendly states. why is that? >> well, bottom line is the fact when you hire a contractor to do home improvements, remember that subcontractor is out getting -- the contractor is getting subcontractors to do the work. let's say you're improving your kitchen or bathroom.
they have to have a plumber or an electrician. so you're dealing directly with the contractor who you pay and they pay the subcontractor. the problem is what happens if there is a dispute between the contractor and the subcontractor you've paid, but there is an issue? you and i as the homeowner could talk today abouthat. something you could do as a homeowner to sort of mitigate your exposure in those type of things. >> our first viewer question is this: how can a dispute regarding payment between the contractor and the subcontractor impact the homeowner? >> well, first of all, understand that that you should do when doing home improve ams, issue joint checks. in other words, you have contractor a and subcontractor b. write a check to both. what that does is you know that you are paying the contractor and the subcontractor for the work done or materials delivered. by doing that, it requires two endorse ams on the check and it's a form of protection for the homeowner. in addition to that, sometimes
what you can do as a homeowner is sub it out yourself. you go full term it. say, i know enough how to do this bathroom, i'm going to sub it out directly to the electrician, to the plumber, and pay directly. but those are some of the things you have to be careful of when you're doing home improvements 'cause all too often if it's not paid, they could put a lien against your house, and ultimately can enforce that lien against your house. >> okay. question number two from our viewers: are there ways to avoid the issue of nonpayment for material or labor in order to protect the homeowner? >> well, one of the things other than the joint checks is this, when you issue a joint check, and you're paying the contractor and the subcontractor, you should get a lien release. in other words, if i write a check to the contractor, the subcontractor, you want from that subcontractor that it's done work on your house. you want them to sign a lien release. what does that mean? that means for the materials and for the work that's been done, that contractor is saying we
will not put a lien against your property. we are releasing from you that because you have rightfully paid that debt. all too often what happens is homeowners get stuck with this lien and they're saying, wait a second. i paid the contractor. he should have paid them. when there is a dispute between the contractor and subcontractor, you and i as homeowners in the midst of this wonderful thing of improving your home, you get stuck with this lien against your property, which requires you to go to a lawyer, have to do certain things. make sure you get diligent explanation of how the relationship is from the contractor and the subcontractor. >> as if your home being in chaos wasn't chaos enough. thank you so much. if you would like to e-mail your questions, go to our web site and click on rebuilding dreams. bob massi there for us. 28 minutes after the hour. coming up on "fox & friends," outrage this morning over this story. special needs children made to sort through the trash at school. it's actually part of the
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we have got a fox news alert for you. the labor department just released brand-new weekly jobless numbers moments ago. 298,000 new jobless claims. that's actually down from last week and less than expected. so that's a little glimmer of good news.
>> this august we have so much bad news because we have another developing story. the u.s. is stepping up air strikes on isis in iraq. >> what should other countries be doing and what about muslim groups? we aren't hearing much from them this morning. joining us is middle east expert and fox news terror analyst, walid feras. why do you think it's important for muslims across the country and all over the globe to speak out against isis? >> it is crucial that muslim americans, international muslim majority countries, organizations will enter the fray of this battle simply because isis is recruiting in the first circle within muslim communities. then they take the action against minorities and then they take action against other communities. so in this sense, i would say the first institution should be the university, equivalent of the vatican in egypt. they could do a lot by delegit mazing the work of isis and the
islamic conference represents 57 muslim governments and some of these governments have criticized isis, but they need to do it at an international level. >> sure. just kind of touched on that at the end, there are no governments that actually support isis. and no groups outwardly support them. for instance, we were talking, what about the muslim brotherhood? why don't they come forward? if they're moderate, come on, let's hear you condemn isis? >> that could have been a strong argument when isis began and the muslim brotherhood were in charge, including in egypt with mr. morsi. when france took action against the sisters of isis in africa and mali, they said i don't want to do that business. he didn't want to fight those jihaddists and he actually supported other jihaddists. so yes, the muslim brotherhood they want to tell the world they're moderate, this is the opportunity to do it. go against isis and its ideology which is very important. >> you look at this map, here is sort of a new map of the middle
east. it seems like it's being reshaped as we stand here and speak this morning. with isis' presence in those red areas on your screen, u.s. air strikes just small little air strikes in that northern portion of the screen there. does the united states need to step up its attacks on isis in all of those regions? >> i think at the end of the day, yes. the united states needs to increase its air campaign against isis. first in iraq. if they don't want to go to syria. but what they need to do in both iraq and syria is to work with those minorities that isis is targeting, both kurds and christians and yazidis and work within the controlled areas by isis with sunni tribesmen. we invested so much with those tribes. now is the time to go back to this eye liians. they will rise against isis. we need an architecture in washington to fight isis. not just a few air strikes from time to time. >> when we see how quickly
they're growing and just how powerful they are, what good is speaking out against them? i mean, they seem to be masterminds at brainwashing and radicalizing young children even. >> well, they have been doing this business for many, many years. the mistake here in washington was that we have not taken seriously the effects of this jihadi ideology, actually since 2009. the policy of the administration was to say this is not about an ideology. it's about everything else except that. now isis is the product of an ideology. we need to change policy in washington. then we can have a strategy against the jihaddists. >> let's see if anybody around the world comes out and denounces the beheadings, aside from people here on this side of the pond and a lot of our european allies. we thank you very much for joining us today. >> thank you. let's check in now with heather childers who is standing by with a look at other headlines. >> couple things to tell you
about. we begin with this from jeopardy contestant to under arrest. >> click on this channel you and might find yourself in the middle of shark week. >> what is the discovery channel? >> right. >> 400 in the same category. >> that is claire on jeopardy. that was back in 1998. but now she is on trial for attacking the wife of a virginia state law maker, david tuscano. she met the couple on a cruise and she allegedly became obsessed with them and then when they tried to distance themselves from her, police say she attacked the wife, hitting her in the head. she also competed on "who wants to be a millionaire." death was certain, a rock climber fell 100 feet down a glacier. so what saved his life? a back tuck. this is true. 21-year-old dylan was climbing with his friends when he plunged
down saint mary's glacier, over in colorado. while in the air, he remembered his training as a gymnast. in midair, he did a flip and then he landed on his feet. he broke his ankles and his legs, but he's lucky to be alive. he says he will be back doing gymnastics as soon as possible. that's amazing. one more story for you. the season opener for florida football team that is in jeopardy apparently. the reason? a volcano. that's right. the game between the university of central florida and penn state is being played in ireland and 900 miles away is a volcano. it's ready to blow. scientists say the ash could easily travel over to ireland and that could ground flights going in and out of the country. finally, outrage this morning. special needs kids made to sort through the trash at school. kids told -- teachers told the children to sift through garbage
for recyclables. it's actually part of the school curriculum. >> she felt humiliated. she felt stigma advertised and she didn't even want to tell me about it. i didn't find out about it until the story came out on the news. >> yeah. the school district now suspending the program. but special education teachers say that this is standard practice. they claim it teaches the children the skills they will need later in life. so figure that one out. back to you. >> that was for each nickel, if the bottles were worth a nickel, there would be a financial thing. they say this is a skill they may need in they end up working in fast food. let's check in with maria molina who is standing by outside with a look at the forecast. >> good morning. i want to start out by showing you what the old farmers almanac is predicting for this upcoming winter because it's big news, especially for us here across the northeast. if it is true and it does happen coming up this winter, we're looking at potentially a super
cold winter for the eastern two-thirds of the country. not just cold. they're thinking super cold. the northeast could get a lot of snow. the exception across parts of the northeast is going to be section attention of new england. that's where they think that we could be looking at a little bit less snow. otherwise along parts of the west coast, in california, you could be looking at temperatures that are above average. however, out there, dry conditions could continue to be an issue and we do have dry conditions now. so they think that could continue. a rainier winter for cast for florida and potentially a slower hurricane season. this is a long-term prediction, so there are some uncertainties. last year they did predict a cold winter here across the northeast and they were right. otherwise across parts of the northern plains, we do have some storms right now moving through. some showers and storms, very heavy at times across sections of minnesota and also wisconsin. we do have a concern for severe weather. so there is a watch in effect. temperature wise, heat across parts of the plains and also the
southeast. you factor in the humidity and it's going to feel even hotter outside. let's head back inside. >> all right. maria molina, thank you very much. coming up here, the ferguson shooting now in the hands of a grand jury. that whole process is top secret. but why? what's really going on behind closed doors? we'll get some answers on that next. plus, we're getting a lesson in tennis from one of the best in the world. venus williams will be live on our court, check it out, coming up. >> we built a court? ♪ ♪ i know what you're thinking. you're thinking beneful. [announcer]and why wouldn't he be? beneful has wholesome grains,real beef,even accents of spinach,carrots and peas. it has carbohydrates for energy and protein for those serious muscles. [guy] aarrrrr! [announcer]even accents of vitamin-rich veggies. [guy] so happy! you love it so much. yes you do! but it's good for you,too.
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fox news alert. the st. louis grand jury tasked with deciding whether or not officer darren wilson will face charges in the shooting death of michael brown facing protesters outside its doors. what's going on inside of the courtroom? joining us right now with
answers to your questions is fox news legal analyst, peter johnson, jr. good morning. >> viewers have written in last night and this morning with some interesting questions that a lot of people are asking that really haven't been answered before. >> all right. first one from don. he wrote to us on facebook. it says, how often does a grand jury bow to outside pressure? that's what a lot of people looking in are wondering. >> hopefully never. but they're human beings and we saw the video of the protests outside. there is one particularly compelling photo that was published today in the "new york times" showing the protesters outside with kind of inflammatory signs. if you're a grand juror walking into that facility in clayton, missouri, are you going to be affected by that? are you going to be frightened by that? is that going to affect your outcome? are you going to say, should i vote indictment to prevent a future riot? public pressure does matter in all venues. how does a grand jury work? probable cause is the true bill standard. nine to 12 jurors must agree and
we have reports of three of the grand jurors are african-american. there will be a lot of witnesses. officer wilson, dorian johnson, one of the witnesses, and perhaps accomplice of mr. brown, the medical examiner, detectives, eyewitnesses. hearsay is permissible and no judge and no defense counsel will be present. >> peter, so often we've heard people say, if a prosecutor really wants an indictment, you could indict a ham sandwich. >> that's true. we got other questions as to what they want to know going forward. >> for instance, what happens next? >> what happens next, the grand jury will proceed. nine jurors must agree there is probable cause and they'll look at a range of charges from voluntary manslaughter, first degree, second degree murder, involuntary manslaughterrer or no true bill. meaning no indictment whatsoever. dan asked a question on twitter, if the prosecution is the only voice, how does ex
culpatory evidence get presented. >> that means evidence tending to acquit. tending not to prove probable cause with regard to an indictment. evidence that would help the officer with regard to the charges that could be brought. it's up to the prosecutor to provide a range of witnesses. for example, will the grand jury hear medical testimony about the alleged orbital fracture, the eye socket fracture allegedly suffered by officer wilson? will the jury see the video of mr. brown about ten minutes before engaged in that strong arm robbery of the convenience store for the cigars to show the intent, the motive, the state of mind of the decedent, of the man killed here? that's a very, very interesting question. it is a secret proceeding. so we will never know. i'm sure thereafter, a lot of people will say i wasn't called as a witness in this proceeding.
one important point that no one has talked about, not only will this jury be deciding whether there is enough evidence to bring an indictment against the police officer, it will also judge the criminal conduct of the man who died. let me tell you why. they will make a determination whether mr. brown was a felon or a fleeing felon, or whether he assaulted a police officer, or whether he tried to take the hand gun from the police officer. if this grand jury believes that the decedent, the man who died, the man who was shot by officer wilson was in fact a felon, a fleeing felon, had engaged in a felony before or after and was trying to evade capture and engaged in felonious behavior or behavior that was threatening, intimidating or causing to take the life of the police officer, that will have an important determination in this grand
jury's deliberations and it will go to the issue of self-defense and justification, whether it was justifiable homicide or not. so they're going to be look at the conduct of both men to determine whether the police officer's conduct was appropriate under the circumstances. highly charged, highly emotional. great obligation in our society. we may not know the answer for several months based on the number of witnesses here. >> you had some answers to some questions that a lot of details right there. we didn't know about. peter johnson, jr., thank you very much. >> good to see you. coming up next, we're headed out to court. venus williams, good morning to you. she's live on the plaza. find out why coming up. first we check in with bill hemmer who is holding court at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. >> how are you doing? interesting segment with peter. very interesting. what we are learning this morning about the life and brutal death of james foley. there are others being held. we know that. how will the president react
now? also what happened in ferguson last night. what we're learning about the police officer accused of shooting and killing michael brown. karl rove is here on the president, john mccain on reaction, and bill o'reilly is ticked off about missouri. see you then, top of the hour like taste inspired by the freshness of the mediterranean. so you always get flavor that's anything but flat. new flatbread sandwiches, try one today.
well, she is a seven-time grand slam champion and she's hardiheading back to the court next week for the u.s. open. >> that's right. first we've got her on our court here on our plaza. tennis star venus williams joins us live. good morning to you. >> hi. thanks for having me. >> round of applause, ladies and gentlemen! the open is just around the corner. >> yeah. starts on monday. so i'm in new york now and this is actually kind of warming up with you guys.
>> you're going to warm up with us? >> yes. >> can you give us some tips? i played years ago, but i'm terrible now. you look at a guy like me -- i used to be good. when you get out there on the court, do you play in heels or anything like that? >> once. but i didn't win the match. >> what are some tips on form, 'cause steve needs help. >> up with of the first tips is, i know it sounds simple, but look at the ball. if you keep your eye on the ball, it he wills almost all of your mistakes. >> really? >> and even the professionals, you see when the moments get tight, everybody starts looking to where they're hitting and that's the wrong thing. you want to see the racket hit the string and then you look up. >> what about serving? >> serving is one of those things that even if you're a master, you go -- it's all about rhythm. on the serve you always want to keep your left hand up. >> can you show us? >> if your right hand is down, you can see where the ball is going to go. so you keep it up high and finish through. >> could you hit like --
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smoothie? they don't realize what we shoved in there. >> and it's really good for everyone of all ages. i love jamba juice. i have some franchises, so i believe in the brand. they're doing a lot of wonderful things for people and actually now there is a lot of super foods like baby spinach and kale and those kind of things available in a lot of the stores. >> there is stuff you can grind up and it tastes great. so the open this week. good luck to you. >> thanks so much. you're looking good. >> thanks a lot. ♪ ♪
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tomorrow our summer concert series continues with tyler far. in the after the show show, venus williams. >> you guys want me to come back tomorrow? bill: there is new information on the secret mission to save james foley that failed. we are learning new details on the special forces covert raid and what went wrong. patti ann: the president speaking about james foley yesterday while on vacation but taking considerable criticism for heading back to the golf course after his comments. bill: james goler is in martha's vineyard where the president is on vacation. but
it took joel silverman years to become a master dog trainer. >> it took joel silverman yea to become a master dog trainer. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. >> i am his great estefan. i don't think there's anything in the world he can't do. but as far as wanting it for him or liking it for him, i don't really see how any woman way down deep could say she wanted for the man that she loved because the -- the job is so tremendous and so awesome and so burdensome that you feel terribly sorry for any man -- republican or democrat -- holding the office. so when you say would i want it for him? that's something else again. >> nancy reagan there speaking in 1968 about the toll of running for president. we have a lot this morning on the life and legacy of the former first lady who passed away yesterday at the age of 94. good morning. it's monday march 7. joe is way under the weather but willie and i are joined by nicolle wallace, managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin and in nashville, tennessee, jon meacham. in boston, columnist in for
"bloomberg view," al hunt. we have a great deal to share about the life and legacy of nancy reagan. i want to go around the table, mark halperin whrksat are your greatest memories of nancy reagan? >> i don't know know her well but the last time i saw her was when she hosted an event at the library for me and john heilemann for "game change" and hosted us for a dinner and her interest in people and america and politics was extraordinarily high. >> nicolle, i heard you yesterday talking about -- just relish ago cool, classy, republican woman. >> we cherish our cool, classy, elegant style icons in the republican party and she certainly transcended all party lines and generations. she remains one of the most elegant women in the country. but for me it was the love affair and the image. we showed it yesterday over and over again of her draped over
pra president reagan's casket at the funeral. it wrenches me still. the book of love letters, in 2002, she published a collection of letters he'd written to her. they're sprinkled through other documents, i'd seen them before, but to read them as a collection, their love affair knocks me over. there was a letter he wrote to her on christmas and he writes "i miss you when you leave the room." and it was a love affair that i don't know that we've seen before in public life. >> willie? >> al hunt, there's the personal relationship, obviously, between nancy reagan and her husband but also the professional one and role she played as an honest to goodness advisor on the most important issues of his time, whether it was iran-contra, rapprochement with gorbachev, firing important members of the staff. she had a real hand in what was
happening in the west wing. >> she was one of the most influential first ladies in modern times. it began at the start of the reagan administration. it was nancy reagan who managed to persuade him to pick jim baker and mike deaver to run the white house rather than ed meese. that had a profound impact on the tone and the agenda of the reagan first term. second term donald regan took over as white house chief of staff, he crossed swords with nancy reagan, big mistake. she got rid of him within a year or so. but the most substantive was she wanted ronnie, as she called him, to be a peacemaker and establish better ties with mikhail gorbachev. she worked with george schultz, there were probably scores of telephone conversations. my wife did a marvelous documentary for hbo which captured that. she played a huge role again in getting rid of bill clark. just a final story i'll tell
you, willie. she never lost her interest in politics and as i said, my wife judy woodruff did a big documentary on her. they used to talk from time to time. and on a train in 2008, judy tried to call mrs. reagan unsuccessfully. mrs. reagan called back after the republican convention, the first thing she said was "why did john pick that woman as his running mate?" >> jon meacham, i heard she was fascinated with what was going on today. she obviously was married to a man who was vastly underestimated on many levels. having said that, i wonder what she would think of the level of vitriol and where it's descended to this point. >> she shared with her husband's view that there was an 11th commandment about not speaking ill of another republican. you see how that's obeyed.
and republican ronald reagan used to believe if he could get 70% of what he wanted he'd take it and go back for the other 30% later which is a spirit of compromise we don't see very much and i think something very much mrs. reagan would have agreed with. jimmy stewart is reported to have saided that if ronnie had married nancy the first time he would have won an academy award. so when they met in the late '40s, early '50s and married, that was a critical moment in ronald reagan's political journey because she became the great breaux texter, the great enforcer in many ways. president reagan said he was at the lowest point, his career was not doing well, he was reduced to doing a nightclub act in las vegas and he said "then came nancy davis and saved my soul." >> we'll have more on their relationship and on her impact on the presidency later.
we have a lot to say about nancy reagan. but over the weekend on the republican side there were fireworks and there was mud flying. we'll get to that but first, willie, you have the democrats where it was also spicy. >> so much to talk about. let's start with the democrats, they had a debate last night. bernie sanders won another three states over the weekend. he won the democratic caucuses in maine with 64% of the vote up against 36 for secretary clinton. on saturday sanders also won nebraska and kansas. hillary clinton, however, continues to dominate the delegate count. after winning louisiana on saturday, secretary clinton has 1,100 delegates and sanders has 492. tomorrow there will be 188 delegates up for grabs in michigan and mississippi. according to a nbc news poll, clinton leads michigan primary voters. last night, hillary clinton and sanders crashed over and over during the latest democratic debate held in flint, michigan, the site of the water crisis both candidates have been
highlighting on the campaign trail. the two found common ground on that issue, but once the discussion moved to the topic of the economy, particularly international trade, the knives came out. >> we're going to stop this kind of job exporting and we're going to start importing and growing jobs again in our country. >> i am very glad, anderson, that secretary clinton has discovered religion on this issue. [ applause ] but it's a little bit too late. secretary clinton supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements. >> well, i'll tell you something else that senator sanders was against. he was against the auto bailout. we just had the best year that the auto industry has had in a long time. i voted to save the auto industry. he voted against the money that ended up saving the auto industry. i think that is a pretty big difference. >> well, i -- if you are talking
about the wall street bailout where some of your friends destroyed this economy -- >> you know -- >> excuse me, i'm talking. [ applause ] >> if you're going to talk, tell the whole story, senator sanders. >> let me tell my story, you tell yours. your story is for voting for every disastrous trade agreement and voting for corporate america. did i vote against the wall street bailout when billionaires on wall street destroyed this economy they went to congress and they said "oh, please, we'll be good boys, bail us out." you know what i said? i said let the billionaires themselves bail out wall street. it shouldn't be the middle-class of this country. >> okay, so -- >> wait a minute. can i finish? you'll have your turn. >> so, mark halperin, we know what senator sanders is up against, we've seen the delegate count, we've seen the numbers in michigan where they were debating but he does not have the appearance or give up the
impression that he's about to go away from this race. >> he'd like to beater in a big state and change the dynamic of the race and he's got plenty money left. last night he had many good tactical moments against her but he was not able to do what he needs to do to beat her which is change fundamentally the dynamics of the race and it will be difficult to do that. last night i gave hear b plus and him a b in overall performance. again, he did just fine, but she did better because she's very much in command of the dynamics of the race and nothing he did allowed him to change all that. >> al hunt, what is this race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders look like over this next few months? obviously he's got the resources to stay in, he's got the message to stay in. it's an uphill climb, we know that. what's the dynamic between the two of them look like if this goes on. >> first, it looks better than their counterparts who are debating about body parts rather than trade deals so i think you give them some credit for that. but i think -- look, bernie sanders is not a conventional
politici politician. i had a clinton person tell me a month ago "when she has this big lead with a thousand vote lead in delegate, the chuck schumers of the world are going to pressure bernie to get out." bernie doesn't care what chuck schumer thinks. he's in this for the same reason he's been in politics for the last 30 years. he wants to deliver a message. i think he realizes it's highly unlikely he'll be the nominee but he thinks he's making the mark and has had a real impact on the agenda and he probably has. on the republican side on saturday donald trump added victories in kentucky and louisiana edging out ted cruz by narrow margins while cruz posted double-digit wins in kansas and maine. marco rubio handily won yesterday's contest in puerto rico. he took 74% of the vote there, claiming all of its 23 delegates. donald trump still leads the overall count with 392, cruz took the most delegates this weekend, 70, to trump's 61.
he now has 305 delegates. rubio has 153 and john kasich with 35. as the delegate leaders, trump and cruz are calling on marco rubio to drop out. they're getting tougher with each other. >> i want to congratulate ted on maine and on kansas and he should do well in maine because it's very close to canada, let's face it. [ laughter and applause ] >> both marco rubio and john kasich, they love this country. they're not doing this for themselves. they're stepping forward sacrificially to serve this country and lead it. i believe this process will continue naturally, that we will continue to unify and come together and i welcome supporters for every other candidate. >> marco rubio had a very, very bad night. and personally i'd call for them to drop out of the race, i think it's time now he drop out of the race. you know, i don't think tonight he can get up and rant and rave and oh, he did great, he comes in third, he comes in fourth. every time he comes in third or fourth he says "you have to be
able to win." i would love to take on ted one on one. that would be so much fun. because ted can't win new york. he can't win new jersey. he can't win pennsylvania. he can't win california. i want ted one on one. >> i can't tell how many media outlets i hear have this great exposé on donald on different aspects of his business dealings or his past but they say you know what? we'll hold it to june or july. we won't run it now -- >> you're saying reporters have told you that? >> absolutely. >> from which organizations? >> i'm not going to out media outlets but i can tell you, there is so much there. >> okay. mark halperin, first of all, practically speaking, is there a path for rubio? >> oh, it's hard. he'd have to win florida. >> is there -- should he drop out? it's not ours to say, obviously. it's not theirs to say. >> i think the problem for him is to go into florida and lose florida badly which right now it seems like he would do wouldn't be great for his political
future and the question is, is it good for the party's movement to stop trump for him to get out or not? i think if he got out it might help the stop trump forces but i'm not sure. >> nicollnicolle? >> they're not going out. their assessment of where florida stands today is that trump has a strong hold on the florida panhandle. that they do very well in south florida where rubio's from and that the fight will be waged as every statewide race in florida is waged along the i-4 corridor. they have mel martinez campaigning for them, they have important newspaper endorsements, but this conversation about what they should do, i've been on winning campaigns and losing campaigns, it usually has very little bearing on what you actually do. >> if you say there is no path, but it sounds like there could be one. >> it's a weird cycle. if you apply to a normal frame to it, you might say that. >> the math is very, very tough for donald trump to get a majority. he has to perform quite well.
for instance, rubio, you could argue there's no path to majority and no path to him beating trump at the convention but is there a foopath to a kasich/rubio ticket? sure. is that more likely if he stays in and wins delegates? yeah. >> could that be realistic? it seems to me from the really most knowledgeable experienced people, especially on republican politics from the get go is that jeb bush or marco rubio were the ones to watch. were the withins who would probably make it to the top. i just wonder what has happened at this point. >> well, i was at an event saturday night with a lot of establishment republicans and some rubio people and despair so understates the case. [ laughter ] i -- really, i've never seen anything like it. there was a lot of heavy drinking after that. i think that it's conceivable trump can be stopped.
short of 12 the 3-- 21237. but they need rubio and kasich for if the next eight days. if marco rubio gets out, i think donald trump is guaranteed to win florida right now. may well win it anyway and certainly if john kasich were to get out i think trump would be the more likely beneficiary short term in ohio. so they need the anti-trump faction needs to keep some of those people in right now. then they have a huge decision to make. some time in mid to late march. because the most likely challenger to trump is ted cruz and someone said that you'd love to be the guy to walk into mitch mcconnell's office that says "guess what? i think we can stop donald trump. we're going to stop him with ted cruz." at which point mitch has a nervous breakdown. >> though you've seen some establishment senators come around to the idea. lindsey graham is talking about it. he talked to ted cruz a couple days ago.
>> wasn't there like a strange choice? poison or death? >> yes, as we talk about senator marco rubio putting his eggs in the florida basket -- i think there's one public poll that shows him within single digits otherwise trump has double digit lie leads. but he's staying in because they don't believe trump can get to 1278. maybe he has a roll not as the nominee but on a ticket. >> as nicolle alluded to and married dowd wrote yesterday, when people tell you you should be president, you tend to believe them and so it's such a chaotic year. no rule that people like us tend to create has really applied. so why wouldn't you keep rolling forward? and hope that something happens. you know, to connect this to the reagan's quickly, 40 years ago ronald reagan went into kansas city, into the republican
convention, challenging an incumbent president and was one delegation away from winning the nomination. so it's been a long time but stranger things have happened and have happened in the last, say, six days. i'm sitting in a state where 94 out of 95 counties were carried by donald trump in tennessee. and a very senior elected official in this state a week before super tuesday said he had seen polling that showed trump up 12 points but he had not met anyone who was for trump. and that in a snapshot is the story of this year. so all of our talk about what the -- what al's heavy drinkers -- which i totally understand -- are going to do or manipulate, you know, this is a free agent process right now. >> i have not seen a din goner by or heard of a din gore by where that isn't the topic of conversation. let's get to other news. in financial news, global stocks have been mixed.
european markets traded lower despite last friday's solid u.s. jobs reports. u.s. dow futures are down 55 points. in idaho, a pastor is recovering after being shot the day after he delivered a prayer for ted cruz. 55-year-old tim remington delivered the invocation at a campaign rally for cruz in north idaho on saturday. on sunday, police say, he was shot and critically wounded in the parking lot of his church. the gunman, identified as 30-year-old kyle andrew odom. remington was listed in stable condition last night. we'll follow that. after announcing last august he had been diagnosed with melanoma, former president jimmy carter says he no longer needs cancer treatment. president carter made the announce. yesterday at the south georgia church where he often teaches sunday school. the 91-year-old said doctors will continue to monitor his health and he will resume treatments if the cancer returns. in sports, new denver broncos quarterback peyton
manning is retiring. after 18 years in nfl on the final hoist of the lombardi trophy the 39-year-old is expected to announce the news this afternoon. manning's storied career includes a record five mvp awards, two championship titles and a slew of accolades. he'll retire as the only quarterback in league history to lead two franchises to super bowl victories. finally, the man credited with inventing the e-mail, ray tomlinson, has died. in 1971 tomlinson developed the electronic message as a way to communicate via computer. a graduate of m.i.t., tomlinson also created the use of the " @"sign to indicate the location of the receiver. he was inducted into if internet hall of fame in 2012. he was 74 years old. still ahead on "morning joe," much more on the passing of former first lady nancy reagan. we'll talk to reagan biographer craig shirley, historian michael
beschloss and her chief of staff, james rosebush. and the "washington post" says hillary clinton personally wrote 104 classified e-mails found on her server. we'll talk to the reporter that broke the story. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? this is going to be an active week. it's very much like spring across the country. that means severe weather and the potential for flooding. we start with california with the potential for flooding this morning. we have snow in the higher elevations. that's storm one. storm two is the middle of the country. that's the severe weather threat. for everyone on the east coast, spring fever begins. 60s up to new york city today and by tomorrow we'll bring those near record highs all the way through new england. let's talk about the severe weather threat. 15 million people are at risk. this is mostly centered on texas and oklahoma. the coverage won't be great during the evening hours but we will see storms with the possibility of tornados. an isolated tornado threat. tomorrow looks to be the worst of the severe weather during this week. this enhanced risk of severe
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. nancy reagan is most like her husband, she has the same extroverted personality, the same ease of manor, the same confidence, the same adroitness with a quick quip, the same political philosophy, perhaps even the same ambition as ronald reagan. >> nancy davis reagan is social and savvy. she made her debut in chicago and is a graduate of smith. she made the ten best dressed list, too. she greets the world as if it
were her oyster and performs as the governor's wife with obvious relish. at 26 past the hour, we are remembering nancy reagan this morning. in the white house she was a glamorous figure in front of the cameras and steadfast advisor behind the scenes, at the center of several major decisions on staffing and public relations as well as restoring her husband's image after the iran-contra scandal rocked his presidency. nancy reagan set herself apart in her post-white house career, leading the battle against alzheimer's, the disease that slowly claimed her husband. the library says there will be abopportunity for members of the public to pay their respects prior to the funeral service. she is survived by her children pat patty, ron, and stepson michael. she will be buried at the reagan library on the spot where she kissed him good-bye for the last time in 2004. mrs. reagan's death brought the closing chapter of a
powerful love story that began in hollywood, continued in the white house and endured all the way to the end. here's nbc's harry smith. >> reporter: nancy reagan was a contract actress when she met the dashing head of the screen actors' guild, ronald reagan. as they sat down to dinner, each claimed to have an early call the next day, an old actors' excuse in case things didn't go well. no such insurance was needed. march 4 marked 64 years since their wedding day. when you look at pictures of nancy and ronald reagan from their days in california to their time in the white house they so often looked like love-struck kids, soul mates, the love of each other's life. this is a letter from the president to mrs. reagan pulled from an nbc special. mrs. reagan reads: >> "dear first lady, as president of the united states, it's my honor and privilege to cite you for service above and beyond the call of duty and that
you have made one man, me, the most happy man in the world for 29 years." >> they were inseparable, steadfast, especially in times of trial. through the assassination attempt, her breast cancer. >> i'll say welcome home. >> reporter: alzheimer's disease. through sickness and health, till death do us part, that was ronnie and nancy. some years after the president's death, mrs. reagan told "vanity fair," i miss ronnie a lot, an awful lot. people say it gets better. no, it does not. their love explained best by the president himself who wrote to mrs. reagan "i'm not whole without you, you are life itself to me." that is a love story. jon meacham, tell us more about how she changed his life but also his career. >> well, you know, in the middle of his life, in middle age, he was born in 1911. the late 1940s he was adrift and she entered his life and he
found his footing in many ways. he had always been dependent on women. he had a very strong mother. his first wife was a powerful force. but nancy was a tsunami force in his life and he probably -- mike deaver, their great aide and friend so that there would have been no governor reagan without nancy reagan and certainly no president reagan without her and i think in many ways she's the most significant first lady between eleanor roosevelt and her own time because of the influence she had on the political life of her husband on the way to the white house and then inside the white house. coming up, harold ford, jr., joins us for the must-read opinion pages. "morning joe" is back in a moment.
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we've had with hispanics and young women and made them worse. >> wow, we got great must-reads at 33 past the hour. joining us, msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of mission school of public policy, former democratic congressman harold ford, jr. we have one from maureen dowd and one from joe in the "post" which the readers really liked because it was at the top for a while here. first, "new york times" maureen dowd "chickens home to roost." "it's pretty rich to have mitt romney, the man who called on 11 million people to self-deport talking about trump's bigotry. trump was right about romney, when you lose a race you should have won by being an inept phony, you can't call this year's front-runner an inept phony. it's delightful to see the encrusted king making class utter a primal scream as trump smashes their golden apple cart. he's a real threat to the cozy, greedy -- willie?
>> oleaginous -- >> cartel. for all the republican establishment self-righteous bleeding, trump is nothing more than anunvarnished cruder version. how lame was it after saying he was a crazy choice, rubio, ted cruz, paul ryan, john mccain all turned around and said they would support trump if he's the nominee, which is exactly, nicolle wallace, what people are sick of. mitt romney proved the other day that endorsements mean nothing. >> and i think we talked here about how it was the kind of cycle where an endorsement might hurt you and hen the outsider candidate. i think at the time there was more than just trump and that was the effect. i mean, i talked to some trump support ye supporters outside of the northeast corridor and they were enraged by the romney speech. so i don't know what the parallel is on the democratic side but i think for us when
someone tells people what they should do, they do the opposite. >> i think it was as compelling and scathing adds you could imagine. it will be more helpful to fufu democrat at all. i don't think how trump supporters will be dissuaded by anything mitt romney might have said perhaps how truthful it might have been. in fact, it will help mrs. clinton in the fall more so than anyone else. >> the other part, it's one thing on policy saying mitt romney was too extreme on immigration. just on a personal level, remember he was too rich because he had a car elevator and couldn't relate to anybody? donald trump has said "yeah, i'm rich, i have a plane that has gold seat buckles" and people love him for that and they get the opposite reaction romney not. >> and mitt romney wrapped himself around the ax untle in own tax returns. donald trump has already said "yes, i benefit from a rigged system. that's why you can trust me to fix it." he has leaned into so many of
romney's politicaler haver inability -- vulnerabilities. >> one thing romney has done is legitimize it had notion that under the rules of somebody who doesn't get a majority it's fair to fight it out at the convention. that's the only way to stop trump from being the nominee and i think romney's voice on that was pretty firm and i think it helps the media and some republicans who aren't for trump say, yeah, that's right, if you don't get a majority, you don't have a majority. >> if you feel so strongly about this and you have some sway or voice in the republican party, jump in. >> too many deadlines have past. >> let me read joe's piece. "marco rubio gets massacred." this is the guy everyone was convinced he would be the one. "after iowa, senator rubio promised his supporters he would rocket to the nomination on the strength of his 3-2-1-strategy. but one month later he finish saturday's contests 3-3-3-4. as paul begala said of rubio,
everyone likes him but the voters. if anyone understands this campaign is over, they should tell them to go home, announce his run for reelection as senator, get the voting card out of the glove compartment and rebuild his political reputation right away. the senator still has time to salvage a political career damaged by his last luster presidential campaign. but that still won't be the case if rubio hangs around this race long enough to be embarrassed by donald trump in his home state of florida. if that were to be the case, the once-promising senator would be forced to live out his professional life as a beltway lobbyist or, worse yet, endure the grim existence of being a cable news host." that could happen. that could happen. but al hunt, what happened? >> well, rubio was certainly hurt by that new hampshire debate but i think he had a bigger problem which was there always was a sense that was he
really someone who looked presidential or big enough. cruz is a big figure, people don't like him but he's tough and i think again one of those cruel nicknames that trump is fond of giving, little marco, stuck and i think when he made that silly comment about 3-2-1, i think it was worse than you just said, i think it was 3-5-3-and it just wasn't there. >> mark halperin, what are voters in florida thinking about marco rubio right now? especially given the last two weeks where he decided to jump into the gutter and fight dirty. >> he's missed up his brand. this is a closed primary in florida. if it were open he'd probably do better. the big variable in the race to florida and overall is these negative ads in florida and mail and other voter communication trying to take trump down. if there are are public polls showing rubio closer in second place and maybe able to win that will embolden him and his
supporters in the anti-trump movement to stop trump in florida. but i'm not sure rubio is the strongest person to stop trump in florida: i have trouble criticizing rubio for what he did the last two weeks. nerve the party, on tv, including this show said "how are you not standing up to donald trump?" he took a shot at it. >> didn't have to be personal. >> the policy wasn't working. >> the other explanation they gave now is that it was such a crowded lane for so long, this establishment lane was so crowded. once everyone got out, they told them to do what you said, now we're out, 130 t ligspotlight's >> there's something between policy and paying your pants. that's fair. >> not much in this cycle. >> no, we're talking about the line -- >> yeah, we got it, thank you, willie, harold, stay with us, if you can. up next, it's not just hillary clinton's e-mails under the microscope, a whole host of diplomats are now having their messages exposed as well. a and there is plenty of
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they later sold the cow because they had all become lactose intolerant. call geico and see how much you could save on homeowners insurance. welcome back to "morning joe." over the weekend, the "washington post" released analysis of classified information on hillary clinton's personal e-mail server. by the "post's" count, clinton wrote 104 e-mails later marked classified by the state department. clinton said she neither sent nor received material marked classified at the time. over the weekend she said they are close to putting this chapter behind them. >> i think we're getting closer and closer to wrapping this up. i also know that there were reports today about the hundreds of officials and the thousand e-mails that they were sending back and forth that have been looked at and classified retro actively. this really raises serious questions about this whole
process. i think colin powell summed it up well when he was told some of his e-mails from more than ten years ago were going to be retroactively classified, he called it an absurdity. joining us, the author of the "washington post" post piece, enterprise recorder rosalind helderman. great to have you with us. for people watching at home, what's the headline out of your piece, we see there were 104 later marked classified. hillary clinton said she never sent or received e-mails marked classified at the time. what do you want people to know? >> we want people to know hillary clinton did write e-mails, she, herself. she didn't just receive e-mails, didn't just get e-mail chains sent around by other people. in 104 instances it's her e-mail from her to someone else that has now been marked classified by the state department. however, what we found was that there are about 2,000 incidents overall that the state department has said include classified information and when
you examine all of those e-mail chains carefully, there's about 300 other people who have also had their e-mails labelled classified through this process. >> and rosalind as you've talk to people, sources of yours, state department, justice, is it significant that it was not "marked classified" at the time? that's been her defense throughout this, that this issue of whether or not it was marked classified exonerates her in some way. >> sure. well, it's absolutely possible to have information placed into the unclassified e-mail system that is classified but is not marked classified. just imagine the example where you go too a briefing that's a classified briefing and you learn information there and then summarize in the an e-mail. basically what you're saying is that you've mishandled classified information. you have not properly marked it classified. now, that doesn't necessarily mean that's what's happened in each of these incidents. one of the things we believe the fbi is now doing is examining all of the e-mails to see if there are some examples where
that clearly occurred. >> so is the point of having it all on the government server so that when something is later deemed classified it's all in one place and they can handle it accordingly and as safely as possible? i guess that's my first question. >> sure. so there's a separate e-mail system that is reserved for classified materials so if you believe that you are about to send information that is classified, you're not supposed to be using your normal government e-mail. so all of the e-mail we've got from her server, not just her own but all the information that was being sent around by other government officials, is all on this -- what they call the low side, not the high side which is reserved for classified material so anyone sending a message they knew to be classified or believed to be classified shouldn't have been sending it through this low side e-mail system, even if she had not been using her own private server. >> are any of these e-mails e-mails she should have sent on
the high side. >> we don't know. we don't know what's underneath the redaction boxes and are not able to analyze the 22 e-mails the state department has agreed at the request of the intelligence community called top secret, which is the highest sensitivity level. >> bottom line it, though. what are they looking? because people's eyes are glazing over, low side, high side, e-mails, classified before, now classified. i don't think they care unless some law was broken or something egregious was done and i don't know if that happened. it doesn't sound like it. >> i think what they're looking for is an incident where clearly classified material was sent knowingly through this system to hillary clinton using her private server because she preferred to use regular e-mail, her own e-mail. and we don't know.
certainly there's nothing in the unredacted portions of the e-mails that have come out from the state department that suggest that clearly. we don't know what's in those 22 top secret e-mails that are probably getting the most scrutiny. >> all right. the "washington post's" rosalind helderman, thank you so much for your reporting. >> thanks for having me. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> this was also an emotional day for president and mrs. reagan. the end of their eight years in the white house. they returned to california secure in the knowledge that they've made an enormous impact on the nation's capital and the country. nbc's andrea mitchell reported on most of the reagan years and she's here for the final day now. >> ronald reagan played his final scene as president. making sure he didn't overshadow his successor, leaving center stage with style and grace. >> they covered president and mrs. reagan as closely as anyone. tom brokaw and andrea mitch rl here with their stories about the real nancy reagan.
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[ laughter ] >> do you think your speech hurt trump at all? >> honestly, i would assume it probably helped him. [ laughter ] >> all right, is there anything you would like to say directly to donald trump? >> yes, yes, there is. donald, you're duplicitous, reckless, and if you become the republican nominee, know this -- i would make a great vice president. >> all right. al hunt, before you go, if 99% of all joking is true, is that in the 99% right there? >> yeah, it is. it's very funny. let me quickly say, mika, i made one mistake earlier. my wife's documentary on nancy reagan was on pbs. it's the best documentary ever done and now i'm safe at home. >> go home and bring flowers, okay, to judy. thank you very much, al hunt. coming up at the top of the hour, ted cruz warns republicans in washington about parachuting a candidate into the convention. >> any time you hear people talking about the brokered convention, that's the fevered
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[ applause ] >> hello, mrs. reagan, i'm soleil moon fry, the star of "punky brewster." and i'd like to give you the "just say no drug scratch book." from the kids from oakland, california school, okay? >> okay. >> i just want to thank you for making kids say no to drugs. >> thank you, honey. [ applause ] >> all i can say to you is there may be times when you get a little discouraged and think it isn't worth it or you're not doing -- the results aren't what you would hope but just keep in mind that if you even save one
life, it's worth it. welcome badck to "morning joe," it's monday, march 7. joe is under the weather. along with willie and me, we have former communications advisor to president george w. bush, nicolle wallace, former democratic congressman harold ford, jr., managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin, jon meacham, and joining the conversation, executive producer of "the circus" on showtime, mark mckinnon. the nation is in mourning for former first lady nancy reagan, partner in love and politics to one of the most influential figures ever to hold the american presidency. she died yesterday of congestive heart failure at the age of 94. nancy reagan's grace and insight shaped the life and career of her husband ever since they met in hollywood. she was a young actress getting small parts, he was climbing
back from personal and professional disappointments. >> we met each other out here on the west coast through mervin le roy who i remember every night in my prayers and i was having a little difficulty because there were other nancy davises and i was getting the mail of one of them and mervin said that he neuronny who was then president of the guild and he could solve my problem, he hoped. and ronnie had never met me but i certainly knew who he was and i thought that was a dandy idea. and so ronnie called me and we went out for dinner. he says he solved my problem by changing my name. >> together they scaled the heights of american power waging a successful challenge to the three-term governor of california growing the republican party by rallying the
emerging conservative movement and leading the political revolution that shaped the modern era. as president reagan challenged the evil empire from the west wing, nancy reagan harnessed the power of the east wing to a tackle the scourge of drugs and encourage kids to just say no. you saw "punky brewster" in that video? did that bring you back? >> soleil-moon frye. >> let's bring in contributor michael bangladeeschloss. michael, it's hard to put her secretary generally into a few one. >> it is. i think one reason is that, you know, first lady is not an elected office and often times what a first lady does is not that well documented but in her case i think it's fair to say that without her ronald reagan would not have been president, without her he would not have been significant and major a president as he was. >> mark mckinnon, to that point, her impact on his presidency itself? >> very powerful.
there's not a large decision that affected the country that she wasn't in some way behind played a role. i think to beschloss's point, we underestimate the influence of first ladies and i think in the anales of first ladies, nancy reagan was perhaps the most influenti influential. >> meacham was talking about mike deaver saying there is no governor reagan without nancy reagan, there's no president reagan without nancy reagan. there's a story being told that after 1976 when he failed to get the nomination of the republican party he was done, he didn't want to run for anything, didn't want to run for president and it was nancy reagan who intervened and said "you have to run again in 1980." without her, without those conversations, this is a very different country, let's say it. >> that's right. and it goes back to early childhood. she had a tough early childhood, a mother who was often absent
and it made her extremely strong. she meets ronald reagan after world war ii, his movie career is finished, he's looking almost for work. in the early '50s he was working in a nightclub in las vegas and not happy to be doing that and she dusted him off and got him organized and by the end of the 1950s here he is a tv star, ge theater, later on "death valley" days she had the same role in helping him start his political career. as you know, if you would talk to nancy reagan in later years she'd say no, it was all ronnie, i didn't have very much to do with it. but i think as time goes on and as we get more access to her diaries, she kept very detailed diaries, letters, other sources, we'll find this was a very significant player. >> i wonder what she would think of what's going on. michael, stick around. let's turn the race for president. on saturday donald trump added victories in kentucky and louisiana, edging out ted cruz by narrow margins while cruz
posted double digit wins in kansas and maine. rubio handily won yesterday's contest in puerto rico. he took 74% of the vote there, claiming all 23 of its delegates. donald trump still leads the overall count with 392 but cruz took the most delegate this is weekend, 70 to trump's 61. he now has 305 delegates. rubio has 153 and john kasich with 35. trump and cruz are both now calling on marco rubio to drop out while still attacking each other. >> i want to congratulate ted on maine and kansas. he should do well in maine because it's very close to canada, let's face it. [ laughter and applause ] >> both marco rubio and john kasich, they love this country. they're not doing this for themselves and they're stepping forward sacrificially to lead it. thinkable process will continue naturally, that we will continue to unify and come together and i welcome supporters for every other candidate.
>> rubio had a very, very bad night. personally i'd call for him to drop out of the race, i think it's time he drop out of the race. i don't think tonight he can get up and rant and rave and, oh, he did great, he comes in third, comes in fourth. every time he comes in third or fourth he says "you've got to win." i would love to take on ted one on one, that would be so much fun. because ted can't win new york, he can't win new jersey, he can't win pennsylvania, he can't win california. i want ted one on one. >> i can't tell you how many media outlets i hear have this great exposé on donald on different aspects of his business dealings or past but they say "we're going to hold it to june or july. we won't run it now." >> you're saying reporters have told you that? >> absolutely. >> which organizations? >> i won't out media outlets but i can tell you there is so much there. >> mark mckinnon, pull back for us on this race now that we're through this saturday. we no the results, ted cruz had
a good night, marco rubio struggled, trump underperformed a bit but has the most delegates. where is this thing headed? most of us at this table agree it will be tough for trump to get a majority of the delegates heading into cleveland. how do you see this playing out. >> the physics have changed. remember a couple weeks ago after nevada ted cruz had a tough night, marco rubio was on the ascendancy. trump was teflon and nothing was hurting him but in the last week or so, cruz is back on track, trump has shown a dent in the armor. in fact, if those elections had not had early voting cruz might have won all four so we are in a situation where the narrative has changed in a significant way so the notion of an open convention -- look at the delegate count, ted cruz is within -- less than 100 delegates away from donald trump so there's still a lot of factors to work out. >> do you think rubio has aen
arable case to make to still be in this case? >> he'll be tested with what i will call the al gore state rule, which should be in the constitution. if you can't win your home state, it's tough to make anningment you should anning me -- an argument you should be president. >> the other person who gets talked about is john kasich. if john kasich wins ohio, rubio loses florida then off three-way race in a state like california or pennsylvania, break down the con stitch when sis. what happens in a in a trump okay sic kasich three way? >> no one looks at saturday night and says "kasich should get out." >> as long as he wins ohio. >> well, we got the issues on these candidates or hear about the issues on some of 24ethem. donald trump has come under scrutiny for his approached on enhanced interrogation techniques if elected. he responded over the week end to claims troops would not
follow his campaign promises as president because they would be illegal purunder international . >> we have an enemy in the middle east that's chopping off heads and drowning people in massive steel cages. we have an enemy that doesn't play by the laws. they're laughing at us right now. i would like to strengthen the laws so that we can better compete. it's very tough to beat enemies that don't have any restrictions. we have these massive restrictions. i will always abide by the law but i would like to have the law expanded. >> why do you think we don't have waterboarding? >> because i think we've become weak and ineffective. that's why we're not beating isis. it's that mentality. when the isis people chop off the heads and go back to their homes and talk and hear we're talking about waterboarding like it's the worst thing in a world and they've just drowned 100 people and chopped off 50 heads, delay must think we are on the
weak side. >> the worry was if america does that, american hostages will be treated even worse, that's the argument. >> they're killing our soldiers when they capture them. i mean, they're doing that anyway. we are playing by rules but they have no rules. it's very hard to win -- >> isn't that what separates us from the savages? >> no, we have to beat the salvages. >> and throw all rules out? >> we have to beat the savages. >> by being savages? >> you have to play the game the way they're playing the game. >> that was revealing on a number of levels. harold, what did you learn? >> a couple things, the outsiders in this race continue to dominate. cruz and trump, it's been hard to stop them. what he said, donald trump, there are are people that will find that appealing. but we need allies from certain communities and they will be troubled and lawyers and others in government will be troubled. but overall those comments won't hurt him. >> will play. >> the comments made by mitt
romney earlier in the week, had rubio or cruz made the comments, i agree. romney didn't help himself, he helped trump. >> i think jeb bush tried. i do. >> i don't think anyone. >> i think this is the idea of a legitimate anti-trump movements, they are the candidacies of his opponent. i think the degree to party bosses are on the scan, they are illegitima illegitimate. this were 17 at one point. they were his republican opponents. and there are still four. but i totally agree with you. i think the message.
i think there are legitimate anti-trump movements in that they opposing him. >> you think he's unstoppable right now in the sense that he just -- >> i think the will of the voters at the end will show that the majority of voters want him. i am very nervous to overturn the will of the voters. >> it's flummoxing for the republican party because i understand the concept of both sides? michael beschloss, any precedent? >> for most of the american history we've had open conventions where things are not settled on the first ballot. 1976 people got to kansas city, did not know whether reagan or gerald ford would win. so i don't have any problem with donald trump not having majority before cleveland, if he doesn't
get that on the first ballot he is probably finished and we will see an open convention on the kind that people thought was almost impossible. >> let's get to the democrats, shall we? >> harold, you requested, here it is. >> sanders won nebraska and kansas. after winning louisiana on saturday, clinton has 1100 delegates, sanders has 492. tomorrow there will be 188 delegates up for grabs in michigan and mississippi. according to the nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist poll, clinton leads sanders among likely michigan primary voters by 17 points. 57% to 40%. last night, the two candidates debated in michigan battling over the auto bailout and international trade and they had this exchange on gun control.
>> that is an issue that senator sanders and i differ on. i voted against giving them immunity, but i think we should very seriously move to repeal that and go back to making sure gun makers and sellers are like any other business -- they can be held accountable. >> if you go to a gun store and you legally purchase a gun and then three days later you go out and you start killing people, is the point of this lawsuit to hold the gun shop owner or the manufacturer of that gun liable? if that is the point, i have to tell you, i disagree. if that is the case, then essentially your position is there should not be any guns in america. period. >> that is like the nra position. >> can i finish, please? >> we talk about corporate greed, the gun manufacturers sell guns to make as much money as they can make! >> harold ford, that was a big
applause line. we talk about the state of this race right now where it appears she's got -- it would be hard for him to come back in terms of delegates right now. how strong is she right now? >> it's a must-win for him in michigan and probably mississippi as well from a delegate standpoint. he continues to wrack up wins but the delegates don't favor him. i thought the back and forth last night for her, especially on the bailout piece where she got senator fwoerz acknowledge she did not vote to help save auto jobs and the wrong side of that would be michigan. the gun exchange was fascinating because she was able to link his adamant strident opposition to the banking industry and suggest they care about profits and suggest it was the same with gun manufacture manufacturers. i think his point about puttingings gun manufacturers out of business until it would not grant immunity to gun makers was interesting but in that crowd last night and this particular state she served herself well and if she does well here in the next day or two
i think it's just harder and harder to see how senator sanders, even with the money he's raising, how he continues. >> mark halperin, how did they do? >> they both did just fine but he needs to do better than just fine. he should win michigan based on his economic message, he needs to win fit he overcomes her delegate lead and the public polls suggest he won't do well. i don't think he did anything last night to put her on the defensive in michigan. she came very well prepared. >> i think he's certainly -- i mean, it does not look like he's going to make it to the nominati nomination. i could be wrong, i guess. but it looks like he's making her better up there. she's finding a strong voice that's hers. does that make sense? >> she was remarkably focused on him. in the prooefs you debate she is turned more to the republicans, and she focused on him suggesting that perhaps they think the state is closer than the public polls suggest. she is going to get better because of him but she needs to
get better. >> it's also important -- >> well, that could be a whole new ball game. >> michigan is important because as you look to the general if it's donald trump the widespread belief is that trump could do well in michigan for a variety of reasons including union arguments. i thought she was on her game. >> nicolle has been pointing out this article from a page of the "wall street journal." >> interesting. >> the blue-collar vote goes to trump. >> michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin. >> that's funny, kind of interesting. >> very interesting. >> michael beschloss, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," he literally wrote the book on ronald and nancy reagan, biographer greg shirley joins with us his intimate knowledge of the former first family. andrea mitchell and tom brokaw joins us as well. and we'll go live to simi valley, california, the site of the presidential library. you're watching "morning joe." (dog) mmm, beneful healthy weight is so good...
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correspondent joe fryer, joe, how is the former first lady being remembered today? >> good morning, mika. as soon as people learned about nancy reagan's passing, people came to pay their respects. we saw families walking here, some with small children. unfortunately, the library has been closed to the public for the remainder of the week. it won't reopen until after the funeral which is going to take place here. we're just waiting to find out the final details of when that will happen. we're told there will be some sort of public event, a chance for everyone to pay their respect to nancy reagan. she was incredibly active here at the library, preserving her husband's legacy until the very end. we spoke with the executive are dae director of the library. here what he had to sanchts mrs. reagan has been a little bit ill for some time and the staff always thinks about a day like this coming but until it comes
it's tough to describe how it hits you. she was our boss, our mentor, the head of the foundation, she was everything to the people that worked here and we're just really sad that this day has had to come. i always admired how she would treat people, whether you were a king or whether you were the elevator operator, she treated you with the same graciousness and warmth. it was lovely to be around here. >> toward the end of her life, it was always harder for nancy reagan to actually get here to the library even though she still remained very active. but we're told one thing she made sure to do every year in june on the date that commemorates her husband's death, she always came out here to visit her grave site and spend some private time there. this is, of course, where she will now be buried. mika? >> nbc's joe fryer, thank you for that. willie? with us now from washington, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. another one of these days where we're lucky to have andrea mitchell working at nbc news.
you covered every day of the reagan white house. you knew nancy reagan well. what are your thought this is morning? >> so many thoughts. she was such a large figure, one of the most consequential first ladies in modern american history. certainly most important in her day since eleanor roosevelt preceding her. she was her husband's chief protector, his political advisor and life partner. it was a great love affair, of course, and it sounds like a hollywood movie and, in fact, that's where it started. she always dreamed of being an actress and in a way she became one on a world stage. born in 1921 in new york city, nancy davis making her way to hollywood, landing small roles in films for mgm. it was there she met ronald reagan. the chemistry was instantaneous. they married in 1952. appearing in 11 films, the young actress starred alongside her husband in 1957's "heldcats of
the navy." >> i began thinking you were playing the south seas circuit. >> you knew better. >> how could i know? did you give me a post-dated check. >> my wife nancy. >> reporter: soon she shifted her focus, devoting her life to him and his budding political career. her influence extending i don't know the home and into politics. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: becoming first lady of california in 1966 and then of the nation there 1981. at first she was criticized for wearing designer gowns during a recession. then lauded for her anti-drug "just say no" campaign. >> when it comes to drugs and alcohol, just say no. >> reporter: it was the 1981 assassination attempt that nearly took his life thatover shadowed his entire presidency. nancy reagan became fiercely protective, even consulting an astrologer at times before scheduling his trips. an embarrassment exposed in a tell-all by his embittered chief
of staff donald regan, who had been fired largely at her behest after the iran-contra scandal. >> she was ronald reagan's closest advisor. she also was among other things his constant protector. >> reporter: during her eight years as first lady, nancy reagan changed world history, encouraging her husband to negotiate with what he had called the evil empire, the soviet union, and its new leader, mikhail gorbachev. >> he knew he could do a deal with gorbachev, he just needed to be allowed to do it. and she ran that interference for him. >> reporter: after leaving the white house, nancy reagan became an advocate for stem cell research for alzheimer's after the ex-president wrote a heartbreaking letter to the nation disclosing he was suffering from the disease. >> he made the decision to write his letter to the american people and the people responded. >> reporter: his caregiver until his death in 2004, she remained devoted to him for all her days,
carrying the torch for both her husband's legacy and her own. and for all of the glamour and their success on the world stage, throughout all of those years, those who knew them best say they most preferred being alone together upstairs in the white house with tv on or movie and eating dinner on tray tables. that was the time when they spent it alone that they savored at the white house for all of those years. willie and mika? >> andrea, for all the strength you laid out and all the significant roles she played in his presidency, i love what you touched on at the end which was the final ten years of ronald reagan's life, that long good-bye from 1994 to 2004 and the grace she showed during that period. >> well, it was grace and courage. she was terribly lonely and -- loneliest after he died, of course. but, you know, she could have had so much help. she could have done a lot of other things. she chose to be with him at
every moment. they were together till the end of his days and her courage against what was republican orthodoxy on stem cell research, standing up and advocating for alzheimer's disease, our friend maria shriver can tell you best having experienced it with her own sad with sargent shriver, she fought for that, going to the republican national convention and beyond. you hear from people -- from diverse areas in hollywood and in other parts of american life who have suffered the disease, parkinson's and other diseases who really celebrated her for what she stood up for. also on gun laws after the assassination attempt, she and ronald reagan endorsing the brady bill and embracing jimmy brady, he remained the white house press secretary and disabled and handicapped as he was in title and salary for all of his days, for two terms even though he was shot and so
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is donald trump becoming president worse in your mind than hillary clinton becoming president? >> both of them are pretty darn bad. as lindsey graham said, a poison and a bullet and i'm going to be voting but i'll vote for someone who's on the ballot that i think is a real conservative and who would make us proud and i may write in a name if i can't find such a person. >> mitt romney and much of the gop establishment still looking for ways to stop donald trump. i feel like everyone's having a massive delayed reaction to trump. like mitt romney should have jumped in the race before new hampshire, right? >> yeah. i mean, because nobody thought -- >> you can't, like, all of a sudden wake up this morning and go "this is bad. let's say something." it only helps him. here's a scene from "the circus" where the so-called establishment in d.c. reacts to trump.
>> i'm sorry, this is not the soviet union that we can't call a meeting and decide trump is out. >> and we wait that. [ laughter ] >> benign dictatorship, who's for it. >> trump is doing well for one reason, he understands the climate and the culture of american better than anybody in this neighborhood. >> how do you feel about the fact the republican nominee may be someone none of you know. >> shell-shocked. bewildered. republicans a s ars are hierarc respectful of authorities, we fall in line. trump has interrupted that cycle. >> nobody thought of donald trump as a political leader until six months ago. >> he's not articulate, he's not poised, he's not informed, all he has going for shim a lot of votes. why hasn't that hit home. >> i've never voted for anybody other than a republican for president of the united states. this would not be an easy thing for me. >> more martinis? >> i love it. so you run "the circus" mark
mckinnon. all he has going for him is a lot of votes. >> those measly votes. >> isn't that what one is going for when running for president? >> that's what donald trump has and the establishment does not. >> but there's a mathematical problem here. the problem the establishment has with trump and i don't know how we get around it. >> the most telling comment out of all of that came from ron kaufman who acknowledged donald trump has a much better sense of the country than the establishment. >> who were those people? i saw ron. >> if you had to pick six perfect representatives of the establishment, that's who they were. i mean, these are guys who have been around washington a long, long time, worked for reagan, worked for bush, worked for john mccain. if you had to pick the six top people to represent the establishment, that's who they'd pick. >> if you were casting a dramatic version of the establishment, it would look like that, guys sitting in a dark room. >> jon meacham, we've been talking about precedent. if he gets the delegate count all he has going for him is a
lot of votes. [ laughter ] what -- i don't know what the other options are and why anybody would have the gal to put some out there. >> well, this is this old democratic -- lower case "d" principle -- called "the majority is to govern." [ laughter ] and i know that's complicated and i hate to throw a physical problem at you at this hour. >> here we go again. >> sorry. but it's kind of a basic principle of political physics and that's -- i think you're right. i think it's hard to see. i will say there was a kind of shift in at least the atmospherics this weekend, at least from where i was standing. the cruz performance was the first time where at least folks from where i was around felt as though the break was being tapped not by the establishment but by the voters and perhaps the past couple of weeks -- i think you're exactly right. this is like celebrating
christmas in february to some extent but there is this push, whether or not governor romney -- governor romney certainly embodies it, but there's a question of whether there's a certain amount of second thoughts not on the part of the establishment, not on the part of the martini crowd, but the actual voters themselves and you saw some of that this weekend. >> you did. there are another 150 delegates at stake tomorrow in michigan, mississippi, idaho and hawaii's gop contests. the nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist poll gives trump a nearly 2-1 lead headed into the biggest prize of all, michigan. trump is up 41% to ted cruz at 42%. rubio at 17% and kasich at 13%. in a brand new siena college poll of next month's new york primary, trump has a a commanding 27% lead. rubio and kasich tied at 18 with ted cruz the only candidate
losing support since last month, down to 11%. harold, again, it seems like the establishment might have to come to terms with donald trump. one of the things that struck me from "the circus" is that if trump wanted to use that as an advertisement for himself, it very well could. it illustrates a point that jon and joe have made on wbr id "wbr59000" this point that the outsiders come in early in the race and get pushed to the side. the outsiders have taken over and it looks like the inside guys, the establishment, have to move on. if those numbers move up that you showed on the screen, particularly michigan and mississippi, i don't see where rubio goes, who enjoys the support of his establishment and increased that support over the next several days. if secretary clinton does well in michigan and mississippi that path narrows and we look like we're heading to a trump/clinton race and we'll get a chance to see if lindsey graham and mitt romney, where they stand on what they say the poison or the bullet, or whatever the dichotomy of what that choice /b
means for them or the count rinchts -- country. jeb bush, kasich, marco rubio, it just seems like it's not their time. everyone is denial. why are they just talking about it now why is everybody making their speeches now? because through the summer and into the fall people said this can't be happening. the voters knew it was wbr-id "wbr59600" happening. but they didn't believe that however well trump was doing it wouldn't somehow implode at some point and it didn't. if they truly believed, maybe they could have done something at the beginning but you had to truly believe it could happen and truly be frightened about it. that's when surging campaigns are successful is when the establishment figures it out too late. totally clueless. up next, we continue our look at the live and legacy of nancy reagan. we'll bring in the longest serving chief of staff to the late first lady, james rosebush. also reagan biographer craig shirley and nbc's tom brokaw. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." you both have a perfect driving record.
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talk about it ever? >> uh-uh. >> just isn't mentioned? uh-uh. >> do you think about it? >> oh, yes. oh, yes. every time he -- he leaves the house, particularly to go on a trip i think -- i think my heart stops until he gets back. >> that was nancy reagan in march of 1983, two years after president reagan was shot in an assassination attempt. joining us now, nbc news special correspondent tom brokaw, best-selling author, historian and prolific reagan biographer craig shirley. also former special assistant to president reagan, james rosebush, the top official for philanthropy and public private partnerships and the longest-serving chief of staff to first lady nancy reagan. he's also the author of the four forthcoming book "true reagan, what made ronald reagan great and why it matters." >> i think i no the answer to that question. >> tom, you brought such a
wonderful photograph. the white house you covered so closely and the woman you know so well. >> well, this has the beginning. in 1966 when i just arrived at nbc, i was 26 years old and drew a lucky straw, started covering ronald reagan's campaign for governor and nancy was low visibility in those days and they were all concerned about could a hollywood man become the governor then, of course, i covered the first term and the second term and then the campaign for president. and i got to know them well but i was always a reporter, always the journalist and they understood that. when he first took office, i said something that was a little bit intempt rat. i said this whole business about him being a poor boy, right after he got out of college, he got out a good job and he was a high paid actor in hollywood. nancy didn't like me saying that so i got a call from jim baker and the others saying "stay away from the white house for a while." and i said "well, i'm not going
to back off." they said "we understand, stay away, the president doesn't care but nancy is on a tear about you." about two months later i got this call and they said "you'll be invited to a state dinner, you have to figure out what to say to nancy in the receiving line." i said, "okay." so i go down to the state dinner, meredith is with me, we're in the receiving line and meredith says "have you figured out what you're going to say yet?" and i said "nancy" back to square one, just like that. this is the photograph of that moment. >> oh, wow:. >> it arrived the next day, this photograph, with tinscription "dear tom, back to square one, love nancy." that was so typical of her. she put it away in a hurry, she didn't want to have an on going feud with me and it was the beginning of a different level of a relationship. the president and i shared a birthday february 6 and we would mark it from time to time and when they first got in office on
the first february 6 that they were there, i was on the "today" show and i said "i know there are big plans at the white house, they are going to have a surprise party for the president." and they were watching the "today" show in the living quarters and she said to him "brokaw never gets anything right. i don't know where he got that." [ laughter ] we had a lot of little episodes in our lives and i talked to her on february 6 this year as i do almost every year and she sounded quite strong at this point and -- but it's a great loss. >> but that back to square one story, those lines at those state dinners are enormous. they're endless and for the president and the first lady to remember anything that was said is something for sure. >> jim, a lot's been said about the relationship nancy reagan had with her husband as a president in terms of advising him and getting him through some of the worst times of his presidency. can you speak to what role she played inside the west wing? >> i think a lot is said about nancy reagan being the keeper of the legacy. ronald reagan himself never thought about his own legacy.
in fact, he never mentioned in the his diaries. but i have to say, tom, i was standing right next to you when that picture was i can tataken. they never skipped a beat. after a lot of receiving lines the president would recount stories that people came through the line and told him. it was remarkable because he loved people that much. >> since you were so close to them, can you -- how do you describe, how do you characterize the dynamic between them? >> i think it was a compact between the two of them. his weaknesses she shored up and vice versa. so each way -- they had a perfect -- it was a perfect balance between them. >> jon meacham? >> i wanted to ask craig shirley who's written brilliantly about the beginning of the reagans' national political journey and then just recently about the president's long good-bye. craig, what was mrs. reagan's role in the actual mechanics, the tactics of '76 and '80 that made so much possible and then
talk about her life as a caregiver. >> yeah, sure, john. in '76 she didn't have much of a role. she was still tentative in national politics and she was a little bit less sure so herself. she'd gained some confidence in california and started stepping out more after 1966. but when it came time for national politics she really just basically was by his side. she didn't get too much involved. by 1980, she was far more self-confident and, in fact, had a hand in the ouster of john sears, reagan's campaign manager and two other aides because she felt they weren't doing a good job helping ronnie get the nomination. so with each step as she gained confidence she took more direct action and even in the post-presidency, as james knows, is that she was there virtually everyday, he was cared for at home. she was the first person he saw in the morning, the last person he saw at night.
she rarely, rarely ventured out in those years of the alzheimer's. and, of course, she took it all on herself and james said something very interesting and i think it needs elaborating is that they were almost ying and yang. they proved the old adage opposites attract. he was country, she was city. he was denim, she was silk. he was simple hamburger and she was fancy meals. in many ways they were opposites but they were just glued to each other for over 50 years and in a romance that equals and may even exceed the adams or the washington. >> they lit each other up. tom brokaw, is it safe to say one of her last or more long-standing wishes would be to make the reagan library what it is today? a place for future presidents to make their first, second, or maybe even third stop? >> i do believe that and i think that her vision has been fulfilled. >> absolutely. >> it's such a user-friendly library. and we use it for debates,
obviously, serious scholars go there. but you go there and you see some of his personal belongings from his horse back riding days, parts of his cinematic career. >> cinematic career. >> the oval office, too. >> yes, and you see the oval office as well. >> the plane. >> the plane as if it's taking off. it's dramatic. >> it's amazing. >> i once went into that oval office, we were back doing a seminar and i went in with michael due cass can i say and mrs. reagan started to explain and he said, no, i know all about this, this is the first time i get to get in there. i didn't get to get in there on my own terms. i also thought in the right proportion that their cinematic and thespian training helped them a lot. they were very aware when they were in public about how they should appear, he should always be presidential, she should always be the first lady. she knew what their audience was and they connected with it in part because of that training.
>> that was helping to build the power of the american presidency and that figured largely in reagan's strategy, for example, to defeat soviet era communism. so show the strength of the american presidency was important and all those components, his love of the marine bands and all that sort of thing, that helped to show the picture of a strong american president. >> craig, jump in. >> in fact, i think it was tom brokaw may have done the interview. towards the end of his presidency reagan was asked, it was a network interview, if anything in hollywood had helped him be president of the united states and he said, i don't know how can you can do the job and not be an actor. >> that was my interview into yeah, that was your interview. it was great wisdom because he understood that stage craft is important for state craft and that great presidents whether it was washington or lincoln understood that the power of the stage was everything. fdr. was everything in communicating great issues and great no, sir
strums. >> even in her later years she loved to hear everything about everybody and everything that was going on. joe and i had the honor of doing an event at the reagan library and we had a lunch with her and we were talking about white house transitions and let's just say she remembers everything and she did not hold back at all and had some good opinions to share. it was really -- it was incredible and it was so much fun. tom brokaw, craig shirley, thank you so much. james rosebush thank you as well for sharing. your book "true reagan" is due out april 12th. we'll be right back.
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far as wanting it for him or liking it for him, i don't really see how any woman way down deep could say that she wanted for the man that she loved, because the job is -- is so tremendous and so awesome and so burdensome that you feel terribly sorry for any man, republican or democrat, holding the office. so when you say would i want it for him, that's -- that's something else again. >> nancy reagan there speaking in 1968 about the toll of running for president. we have a lot this morning on the life and legacy of the former first lady who passed away yesterday at the age of 94. good morning. it is monday, march 7th. joe is way under the weather this morning, but willie and i are joined by former communications director for president george w. bush, nicolle wallace, managing editor of plume berg politics, mark
halperin and jon meachum and in boston columnist for bloomberg view al hunt. so we have a great deal to share about the life and legacy of nancy reagan. big politics to get to first. i want to go around the table, mark halperin, what are your greatest memories or recollection of nancy reagan. >> i did not know her well but the last time i saw her was when she hosted an event at the library for me and for john heilemann for game change and she hosted us for a dinner upstairs in the library. and her interest in people and america and politics was extraordinarily nicolle, i hea yesterday relishing a cool, classy, republican woman. >> we cherish our cool, classy, elegant style icons in the republican party and she certainly transcended all party lines and generations. she remained one of the most elegant women in the country. but for me it was the love
affair and, you know, the image, i think we've showed it yesterday over and over again of her draped over president reagan's casket at the funeral, it was one that stayed with me and wrenches me still. the book of love letters, in 2002 she published a collection of letters that were written to her, they're sprinkled through other documents, they were in his diaries and i had seen them before, but to read them as a collection their love affair knocks me over. there was a letter that he wrote to her on christmas and he writes, you know, i miss you when you leave the room. and it was just a love affair that i don't know that we've seen before in public life. >> willie. >> al hunt, there's the personal relationship obviously between nancy reagan and her husband and the role of the advisory whether it was iran-contra, gorbachev,
firing important members of the staff. she had a real hand in what was happening in that west wing. >> she was one of the most influential first ladies in modern times. it began at the very start of the reagan administration, it was nancy reagan who really managed to persuade him to pick jik baker and mike deever who run that white house rather than ed meese. that had a profound impact on the reagan first time. second term donald regan took over as chief of state, he crossed with nancy reagan, big mistake, they got rid of him after a hour. she always wanted ronnie as she called him to be a peace maker and try to establish better ties with mikael gorbachev. she worked with george schultz, there was scores of frgs conversations they had on the telephone. my wife did a tremendous
documentary with hbo which captured all of that. she played a huge role in getting rid of bill clark. just a final story i will tell you, willie, she never lost her interest in politics. as i said my wife did a big documentary on her and they used to talk from time to time and we're coming up on september 2008 on a train and jude had he had tried to call mrs. reagan unsuccessful unsuccessfully, she called back, this was right after the republican convention and the first thing she said is why did john pick that woman as her running mate. >> john meesh um, that turns to you. i heard she was fascinated with what was going on today. she obviously was a married to a man who was vastly und underestimated on many levels. having that i wonder what she would think of the level of vitriol and exactly where this race on the republican side has gone. >> she understood that politics was a contact sport but she also shared with her husband a view that there is an 11th commandment which was reagan's
coin analogy about not speaking ill of another republican. so you can see how often that's obeyed these days. and also remember ronald reagan used to believe if he could get 70% of what he wanted he'd take it and then go back for the other 30% later which is a spirit of compromise that we don't see very much and i think very much something that mrs. reagan would have agreed with. jimmy stewart is reputed to have said if ronnie had married nancy the first time he would have won an academy award. when they met in the late '40s, early '50s and married, you know, that was a critical moment in ronald reagan's political journey because she became the great protector, the great enforcer in many ways. president reagan once said he was at the lowest point, he had been divorced, his career was not going well, he was reduced to going to las vegas and doing a nightclub act and he said and then came nancy davis and saved
my soul. >> we'll have more on their relationship and on her impact on the presidency itself a little bit later. we have a lot to say about nancy reagan. but over the weekend on the republican side there were fireworks and there was mud flying. we're going to get to that. first, willie, you have the democrats where it was also spicy. >> so much to talk about. let's start with the democrats because they had a debate. bernie sanders won another three states over the weekend. he won the democratic caucuses in maine with 64% of the vote up against 36 for secretary clinton. on saturday sanders won nebraska and kansas. hillary clinton continues to did dominate the delegates count. secretary clinton has 1,100 delegates and sanders has 492. tomorrow there will be 188 delegates up for grabs in michigan and mississippi. according to an nbc news "wall street journal" marist poll clinton leads sanders among mikely michigan voters by 17 points, 57 to 40. last night hillary clinton and
sanders clashed over and over during the latest democratic debate. it was held in flit, michigan, the site of the water crisis that both candidates have been highlighting on the campaign trail. the two found common ground on that issue but once the discussion moved to the economy, particularly international trade, the knives came out. >> we're going to stop this kind of job exporting and we're going to start importing and growing jobs again in our country. >> i am very glad, anderson, that secretary clinton has discovered religion on this issue. but it's a little bit too late. secretary clinton supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements. >> well, i will tell you something else that senator sanders was against, he was against the auto bailout. we just had the best year that the auto industry has had in a long time. i voted to save the auto industry, he voted against the money that ended up saving the
auto industry. i think that is a pretty big difference. >> well, if you are talking about the wall street bailout where some of your friends destroyed this economy -- >> you know -- >> excuse me. i'm talking. >> let him respond. >> if you're going to talk, tell the whole story, senator sanders. >> let me tell my story, you tell yours. >> i will. >> your story is for voting for every disastrous trade agreement and voting for corporate america. did i vote against the wall street bailout? when billionaires on wall street destroyed this committee, they went to congress and they said, oh, please, we will be good boys, bail us out. do you know what i said? i said, let the billionaires themselves bail out wall street. shouldn't be the middle class of this country. >> okay. wait a minute. could i finish? you will have your turn. >> so, mark halperin, we know
what senator sanders is up against, we've seen the delegate count and the numbers in michigan but he does not have the appearance or give off the impression of someone who is about to go away from this race at all. >> no, he'd like to try to beat her in a big state and change the dynamic of the race. last night he had maybe good tactical moments against her but he was not able to do what needs to to beat her which is change fundamentally the dynamics of the race, it's going to be difficult to do that. last night i gave her a b plus and him a b in overall performance. again, he did just fine, but she did better because she's very much in command of the dynamics of the race now and nothing he did allowed him to change all that. >> al hunt, what does this race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders look like over the next few months? it's an uphill climb, we know all that. what is the dynamic between the two of them look like as this goes on? >> first is looks better than their counterparts who are debating about body parts rather
than about trade deals. i think you give them some credit for that. look, bernie sanders, is not a conventional politician. i had a clinton person tell me a month ago, you know, when she builds up this big lead and she's got a thousand vote lead in delegates the chuck schumer's are going to pressure bernie to get out. he doesn't care what they think. he's been in this and he wants to go to the convention, he wants to deliver a message a. i think at this stage he realizes it's highly unlikely he will be the nominee but he thinks he's making a mark and has had a real impact on the agenda and he probably has. >> on the republican side on saturday donald trump added victories in kentucky and louisiana, edging out ted cruz by narrow margins while cruz posted double digit wins in kansas and maine. marco rubio handily won yesterday's contest in puerto rico. he took 74% of the vote there, claiming all of its 23
delegates. donald trump still leads the overall count with 392, cruz took the most delegates this weekend, 70 to trump's 61, he now has 305 delegates, rubio has 153 and john kasich with 35. as the delegate leaders trump and cruz are calling on marco rubio to drop out they're getting tougher with each other. >> i want to congratulate ted on maine and on kansas and he should do well in maine because it's very close to canada. let's face it. i mean -- >> both marco rubio and john kasich they love this country, they are not doing this for themselves and they're stepping forward sacrificially to serve this country and try to lead it. i believe this process will continue naturally, that we will continue to unify and come together and i welcome the supporters for every other candidate. >> marco rubio had a very, very bad night and personally i'd call for him to drop out of the race. i think it's time now that he drop out of the race. you know, i don't think tonight
he can get up and rant and rave and, oh, he did great. he comes in third, he comes in fourth, every time he comes in third or fourth he says you have to be able to win. i would love to take on ted one-on-one. that would be so much fun because ted can't win new york, he can't win new jersey, he can't win pennsylvania, he can't win california. i want ted one-on-one. >> i can't tell you how many media outlets i hear have this great exposé on donald on different aspects of his business dealings or past but they say we're going to hold it to june or july. >> you're saying reporters have told you that? >> absolutely. we've got -- >> what accusations have they told you. >> i'm not going to out media outlets but i can tell you there is so much there. >> okay. mark halperin, first of all, practically speaking is there a path for rubio? >> oh, it's hard. he would have to win florida. >> should he drop out or -- i mean, it's not ours to say obviously. >> it's not ours to say. >> it's not theirs to say, but -- >> i think the problem for him
is to go into florida and to lose florida badly, which right now it seems like he would do. >> right. >> wouldn't be great for his political future and the question is is it good for the party's movement to stop trump for him to get out or not. i actually think if he got out it might help the stop trump forces but i'm not sure. >> nicolle. >> they are not going to get out, you know as well as i do, their assessment of where florida stands today is that trump has a strong hold on the florida panhandle, that they do very well in south florida where rubio is from and that the state will be waged along the i-4 corridor. they have very popular former senator martinez campaigning for them, some important newspaper endorsements. this conversation about what they should be, i've been on winning campaigns, losing campaigns, it very little bearing on what you do. >> if you were to say there is no path but it sounds like there could be one. >> it's such a weird cycle. if you apply a normal frame to
it you might say that, but -- >> the math is very, very tough for donald trump to get a majority. he has to perform quite well. for instance, marco rubio you could argue there is no path for him to majority and no path for him beating trump at the convention but is there a path to a kasich/rubio ticket at the convention? sure. >> al hunt, what's the likelihood of that, is that something that could be realistic and also it seems to me from the really most knowledgeable experienced people especially on republican politics from the get-go is that jeb bush or marco rubio were the ones to watch. were the ones who would probably make it to the top. i just wonder what has happened at this point. >> well, i was in an event saturday night with a lot of establishment republicans and some rubio people and despair so understates the case. really i've never quite seen anything like it. there was a lot of heavy
drinking after about 9:00. i think that it's conceivable trump could be stopped short of 1,237, but i think some of the establishment people made a huge mistake saying get out rubio, get out kasich. they need those people in it for at least the next eight days. if marco rubio gets out i think donald trump is guaranteed to win florida right now, may well win it anyway, and certainly if john kasich were to get out i think trump would be the more likely beneficiary short term in ohio. so they need the anti-trump faction i think needs to keep some of those people in right now and then they have a huge decision to make. sometime in mid to late march because the most likely challenger to trump is ted cruz and someone said that you would love to be the guy that walks into mitch mcconnell's office and says, guess what, i think we can stop donald trump and mitch says great and they say we're going to stop him with ted cruz in which he has a nervous break
down. >> lindsey graham apparently talked to ted cruz a couple days ago -- >> wasn't there a strange choice, poison or death. >> yes. as we talk about senator rubio putting all his eggs in the florida basket we should point out i think there's one public poll that shows him within single digits, otherwise trump has double digits leads there, but he's staying in for the reason other people will stay it because they don't believe trump can get 1,237, once they get to the convention it's all up for grabs. >> as nicolle alluded to and as maureen dowd wrote yesterday when people tell you you should be president you tend to believe them and so, you know, it's such a chaotic year, no rule that people like you tend to create have really applied, so why wouldn't you keep rolling forward and hope that something happens, you know, to connect
this to the reagans quickly, 40 years ago ronald reagan went into kansas city, into the republican convention challenging an incumbent president and was one delegation away from winning the nomination. so it's been a long time, but stranger things have happened and have happened in the last, say, six days. i'm sitting in a state where 94 out of 95 counties were carried by donald trump in tennessee and a very senior elected official in this state a week before super tuesday said he had seen polling that showed trump up 12 points, but he had not met anyone who was for trump. and that in a snapshot is the story of this year. so all of our talk about what the -- what al's heavy drinkers which i totally understand are going to do or try to manipulate, you know, this is a free agent process right now. still ahead on "morning joe." >> you can't be pessimistic about anything. you always have to be optimistic
that you can solve something. anything in life. >> remembering nancy reagan for her optimism amid the depths of recession and even an attempt on her husband's life. we'll talk about one of the most transformational first ladies of the 20th century. but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill, how does it look. >> snowy in some areas of california. they're calling this the miracle march. they didn't have a snowy february in the sierra, they needed the snow. this is a lot of snow. it looks like -- you can see where someone tried tracking through it. 2 to 3 feet on the ground. this is located if you drive from sacramento up interstate 80 towards the reno area. it's going to continue to come down, another 6 to 12 inches during the day today. some of that rain is trying to push down towards los angeles. that will move in during the morning rush hour. the other story today, the heat on the east coast. i say heat because, yes, we will get to 74 degrees tomorrow in
areas of d.c. today will be in the 60s. you get the picture. we're actually going to see some significant warmth, string fever all the way up to new england. the problem with springtime you get severe weather. we have a storm going to be developing sitting over texas for a number of days. isolated tornadoes today so the typical areas from oklahoma city to san angelo, dallas included and san antonio and then tomorrow we have this enhanced risk to severe weather, i think we will see more tornadoes tomorrow than today. today we will maybe get oon isolated tornado, some large wind damage, large hail, major metroplexs in the areas of texas and dallas area you have to watch out for severe weather and flooding because you are going to get heavy rain in the days ahead. that's going to be the other story. severe weather the next two days. then wednesday and thursday we will watch all this water building up as this storm stalls. possibility of 5 to 10 inches of rain. that's rain. almost a foot of rain pobltd in some of these areas, arkansas into louisiana.
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political scene this year nancy reagan is most like her husband. she has the same extroverted personality, the same ease of manner, the same confidence, the same adroitness with a quick equip, the same political philosophy, perhaps even the same ambition as ronald reagan. nancy davis reagan is social and savvy. she made her debut in chicago and is a graduate of smith. she made the ten best dressed
list, too. she greets the world as if it were her oyster and she performs as a governor's wife with obvious relic. >> we are remembering nancy reagan this morning. in the white house she was a glam mouse figure in front of the cameras and steadfast adviser behind the scenes. at the center of several major decisions on staffing and public relations, as well as restoring her husband's image after the iron contra scandal rocked his presidency. nancy reagan set herself apart in her post white house career leading the battle against alzheimer's, the disease that slowly claimed her husband. the library says there will be an opportunity for members of the public to pay their respects prior to the funeral service. she is survived by her children patty, ron and stepson michael. she will be buried at the reagan library on the spot where she kissed him good-bye for the last time in 2004. mrs. reagan's death brought the closing chapter of a powerful
love story. it began in hollywood, continued in the white house and endured all the way to the end. here is nbc's harry smith. >> nancy reagan was a contract actress when she met the dark head of the screen actor's guild, ronald reagan. as they sat down to dinner each claimed to have an early call the next day, an old actor's excuse in case things didn't go well. no such insurance was needed. march 4th marked 64 years since their wedding day. when you look at pictures of nancy and ronald reagan from their days in california to their time in the white house they so often looked like love struck kids, soul mates, the love of each other's life. this is a letter from the president to mrs. reagan pulled from an nbc special. mrs. reagan reads: dear first lady, as president of the united states it's my honor and privilege to cite you for service above and beyond the
call of duty and that you have made one man, me, the most happy man in the world for 29 years. >> they were inseparable. staed fast, especially in times of trial. through the assassination attempt, her breast cancer. >> i will say welcome home. >> alzheimer's disease. through sickness and health until death do us part that was ronnie and nancy. some years after the president's death mrs. reagan told vanity fair, i miss ronnie a lot. an awful lot. people say it gets better. no, it does not. their love explained best by the president himself. who wrote to mrs. reagan, i'm not whole without you. you are life itself to me. that is a love story. >> and jon meacham tell us more about how she changed his life but also his career. >> well, you know, in the middle of his life, in middle age, he was born in 1911, the late 1940s he was really adrift and she entered his life.
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the media has been saying some pretty negative things about donald trump, but what are real americans saying? >> the guy is a winner. >> he's authentic. >> he's the only one who has actually created jobs. >> he literally wrote the book on negotiating. >> donald trump is an outsider. washington needs that.
>> i think he can make this country great again. >> so when people ask why you support donald trump, you just tell them -- >> he's going to take our economy from here to here and i like that. >> he's not some cautious politician. he says what i'm thinking. >> i don't know what it is, i just like the guy. >> some of his ideas seem a little out there, but i like that he's looking towards solutions. >> he's definitely not pc. >> so why do i support trump? three words. good at business. >> a message from racistist for donald trump. >> it's funny. "saturday night live" giving donald trump's ad makers a concept of their -- for his next campaign spot. joining us now, this is going to be hard, editor of commentary
magazine and contributing editor at the weekly standard john pedoritz, author and "new york times" anand jeer dard dis and back with us we have former advisory to george w. bush and co-host of the weekly documentary series "the circus" on show time. mark mik kin then. a. >> leaving all the surprises to trump. there is a lot of moaning about trump's antics and the ee electric ritz calling for us but is no one learn from him and create virtuous antics and we are not being honest here. content aside trump has corrected a market failure, a deficit of interestingness in the modern poll. i also think that he goes with
his gut and there is no one around him telling him what needs to be said and how it should be said or what would work and what wouldn't work. there is no one. it's trump. and his own thoughts. and i think there's a huge deficit in the other candidates of having a gut about their own feelings and not waiting to speak. does that make sense? >> here is a radical idea, being human. >> exactly. >> being interesting. saying stuff, trying it out. being authentic. >> meaning it? >> meaning it. >> standing by it. living it. >> figuring out life as you go along. now, this is politics, we can't take that to an extreme, but if any good has come out of this whole trump ri thing and say this as someone who probably was one of the early people in the trump camps with the gold lettering on the barbed wire fences, but if any good has come out of this it's the idea that
our boring body politic is susceptible to viruses of interestingness because everybody else is boring and we live in a social media age in which surprise and the ability to command attention and give people something authentic and human is on the a send ansi in every sphere of life from music to politics to literature in every sphere of life and he is the only person who has understood that. and the sad thing is that he's not necessarily a very good guy. no american raises their children to be like donald trump, even if they vote for him. so why can't any of the more decent people command attention, do interesting stuff? when you have a never trump movement that they're supposedly supporting and then all three republicans at the end when asked if they will support him if he is the nominee say, yeah, well, i guess -- i guess we would support him if he was the nominee. that is such a lack of courage, of stepping up, of taking a risk. >> yeah. >> and he wins.
>> so, john, how are you doing? >> i don't -- i'm not -- i mean, i think it's a very interesting theory, but i don't think that you can be nicely shocking or pleasantly outraging. i mean, i think those are contradictions in terms. and the question that we have to ask ourselves is trump is black swan, is he a once in a generation phenomenon who brought a bunch of qualities to a specific point in time that he had developed over many years that are inn imtable because they are all interwoven or does he represent a new dawn of a kind of horrible nightmarish politics for the united states that may be interesting but in which 200 years of a developing understanding that politicians are supposed to say what they say in measured terms in order to build a large coalition of people who will find them at the
least acceptable and that because you are an american politician contesting for the highest office in the land you at least need to be minimally responsible because you might win it and then you have 200 countries that are waiting to hear what you're going to say on every subject. >> you are condemning trump. you're saying trump is all those things. >> no, i'm saying the problem is the american body politic. it wouldn't matter if you were at 3% in the polls. if he's winning 35% of the republican vote, the problem is in the american soul and by the way not just the republican soul, the american soul. >> but you really think there is no way for good people who respect the law to be surprising and interesting? >> mark. >> you can absolutely be pleasantly surprising. a lot of what works on the circus when all these other candidates not doing a speech and not doing a gate in these human moments that are interesting. the other thing that trump does is he understands television and part of the thing that's interesting about television is when you surprise people you don't want a story line that people expect every week you want to do something different.
the latest example of that is trump instead of doing the typical victory speech on a victory night does a press conference. that's different and surprising and much more interesting because people tune out what they've seen before and listen to something different. >> but i want to just push back on your push back because -- >> double push back. >> circumstances are like this, he got into a race with 16 other people so the idea that you instantly pop and you pop however you can pop by being shocking and deliberately offensive and all of that, that was very smart. if there were a race with three or four people as i think we've seen in the last couple of weeks in the gates it's a lightly different story. he is not that comfortable going one-on-one against people, the insults get more unpleasant, the confrontational aspect gets more shocking. >> that's the process. >> no, imagine it was the democratic field and he were running against hillary. bernie sanders night night said excuse me for a minute and
everybody went crazy that it was unbelievably rude. >> i think hillary clinton is -- >> she provoked it on purpose. >> she's fine. >> i'm just saying i think she was fine, too, but i'm saying the dynamics of these things are entirely different because it's a smaller number of people. he needed to rush out and he did it and here we are and the questions is whether it's wearing thin. i think there is a lot of evidence over the last 12 days that its worn thin. >> but again i think you can surprise in all kinds of ways, president obama is doing a great example of that next week, he's going to south by southwest, doing something different, people a attention. >> we're all going. >> let's take this out of republican politics. the pope. >> thank you. >> how surprising has the pope been? he hasn't changed doctrine. >> sure, he has changed dpokt rihn. >> he has changed -- into i'm not saying -- >> very old catholic doctrine. >> sure he has. >> he has said things on a small number of occasions in an attention getting way that is perfectly attune to the age we
are living in. >> why is it attention getting. >> because the catholic church has not looked within and said who am i do judge. >> that's not why. it's attention getting because it's the pope saying things that popes have never said that are -- that are der sieve -- >> like we are extremely sorry for the -- >> like living in the -- >> this is not my fight. >> i know. >> i'm not attacking him. but did he -- i'm not saying that he said something deliberate ri offensive but he certainly has said things that are provocative that have changed -- that changed -- i'm saying it's very difficult to be sweetly provocative and sort of like commonly you can be pleasantly surprising and that's maefrt tactics. that's not trump. trump's entire manner is a new phenomenon in politics. this is, you know, the howard stern bubba the love
sponge-ization of politics. will it work? we'll november in november, we'll know in august. >> before we call trump voters howard stern bubba the love sponge -- you've got to trump events, i've gone to trump events. i see blue collar people, middle class folks, upper class folks, i see guys middle-aged men who have never put on a jacket before who put on a sunday jacket to show up for trump. i saw a lot of really good people. >> you can't appreciate it until you go to a rally and it's counter to the narrative. there are all kinds of people who are there that you wouldn't expect, that the press never focuses on and young people. lots and lots of young millennial types. >> by the way, that goes to another thing that trump did that i think structurally changed everything and for the better. all the other republican campaigns developed this whole theory that they were running in lanes, this one is going for this moderate conservative vote and this for the very conservative and then you win your lane and then you expand that to the other lanes and
trump had none of that. >> he's got cross over everything. >> that's because he wasn't focusing and targeting his message to anybody. >> but there's a deeper principle behind it which is everyone else is playing "game of thrones" politics, it's alliances, lining up all those white guys drinking ma teen niece. >> john, pair it down for me. what's the crime here? >> he is the crime. he's the crime. >> you've got to get over it. >> he is a disgusting repulsive nauseating human being who is lowering our politics moment by moment and destroying the foundations of civility in this country and that's not his voters' fault but they will be responsible if they install him as the nominee of the republican party. he is the crime. whether or not -- >> can i push back? >> sure. >> you're going to get it all ways now. can i say if there's a crime here it's the democrat/republican party over the past decade or two breaking promises and not getting things done and not doing what they set
out to do, not being able to broken deals and by the way that includes our president right now. >> it's okay to say all muslims should be banned from the united states. >> john -- >> to refuse to disavow the kkk. >> john. >> i'm talk being what he's saying and you're talking about who is responding to him. >> john, we can't argue with voters to support him. >> sure you can argue with voters. why can't you argue with voters? voters are some sort of wound rouse phenomenon. >> you can't tell voters that their vote doesn't matter. >> i'm not telling them it doesn't matter. >> i agree with you. what i'm saying is all the old people who are trying to defeat trump are playing by an old set of rules that's "game of thrones" politics and we now live in the age of kardashian politics, but good people can win in this age. i remain convinced of that. >> they soaked the joint with gasoline and trump lit the match. >> he lit the match, yeah. people. people that you know. >> your people, too. >> exactly. >> i know.
that's not -- >> i don't think he's the crime. i think we need to all look within and washington should, too. >> everything should look within themselves. >> i agree with that. >> that would be something that would be nice if the republican front runner were able to do so that he would control his repulsive behavior and do something -- you know, he has a possibility of being president of the united states. he goes into the white house on january 20th, 2017, and the entire world goes up in flames because he is so noxious. >> at the very least there is going to be a lot of lessons that donald trump has taught a lot of people that is that the establishment class of politicians on both sides, bernie sanders, too, they, we, everybody ignored a lot of reality of what's going on in this country. >> i am not defending trump, i'm not. >> you're sort of defending trump, mika. you are. >> i'm actually -- i'm trying to help you get over trump derangement syndrome. it's not healthy. >> it's the rational response to trump. >> i will tell you -- >> obama derangement syndrome may not be the rational response
to obama. trump derangement syndrome is a rational response to somebody who is taking our politics and throwing it in the gutter and stomping on it and making it -- >> i read this weekend that all of his positions are like opening bids in real estate and i thought, oh, god, please, god, let that be the case because i don't agree with many of the things that he has said along the way, but i look at this as something that all of washington has a part in. >> i think your part about looking within is so immensely important. it is very easy to take an odious figure and say it's all about the odious figure and it may be all about the odious figure. >> i'm not sure it's a fair to call him odious. it's not our job. >> i'm talking in general terms in this happens in any country's politics but this doesn't happen in any country's politics unless there is a systemic rot in various institutions across the
government. >> i'm going to count john as leaning against. >> it's not going to be okay. >> america is going to be okay, too. we're built on very, very strong foundations >> those foundations are rotting we just heard. >> it's going to be okay. >> but they're rotting. you just agreed that the foundations are running. thank you so much. still ahead, it's been a rocky year for the markets to say the least, we're going to look at whether wall street can stretch the momentum of a small turn around. we'll be right back.
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and good morning. i'm steve kornacki. we begin with the death of nancy reagan, one of the most influential first ladies in history, passing away over the weekend at the age of 94. this morning the flag at half-staff over the u.s. capitol building in washington, the nation mourning the loss of mrs. reagan. and at last night's democratic presidential debate bernie sanders and hillary clinton, hillary clinton of course herself a former first lady, observing a moment of silence for nancy reagan. tributes also pouring in from the republican candidates on the campaign trail on sunday. the white house tweeting out pictures with a note from president obama and from first lady michelle obama. we remain grateful for nancy reagan's life, it said. let's go to the reagan presidential library in