desire to scale as quickly as possible against some of the evident social harms that we see of technology whether it s on young people, whether it s on the quality and health of our democracy, whether it s on the plight of workers who are seeing their jobs disappear as a result of automation. we need tech to look at what it s building with that ethical lens and begin to set some constraints on its own choices in addition to looking to constraints that might come from elsewhere. steve: yes, exactly. what an honestly, i cannot recommend this book highly enough. system error. it s really smart. as i say, people may not necessarily agree with all of it, but it s a fantastic account of how we got to where we are and how we can move forward in a positive direction. rob, jeremy, really appreciate you joining us tonight, thank you. all right, we ll be right back straight after this. s beau. it sure is. and i earn 5% cash back on travel purchased through chase with chase freedom unlimited.