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This latest venture follows previous succesful milestones in chinas space program after missions to return rock and soil samples to earth from the surface of the moon, landing its first rover on mars. dean cheng is an expert on chinas space programme as well senior research fellow at the asian studies center at the davis institute for national security and foreign policy. hes in washington. how please do you think beijing will be with this launch? obviously, the successful launch is going to mak...

Because it has built its own station. we would be remiss to think that this _ station. we would be remiss to think that this station is the last one it does _ that this station is the last one it does. certainly theirambitions that this station is the last one it does. certainly their ambitions are remarkable in terms of what it wants to get _ remarkable in terms of what it wants to get done — remarkable in terms of what it wants to get done across the solar system. of to get done across the s...

The w.h.o. as if they dont exist. its bureaucratic, which leaves room for corruption. the w.h.o. investigation concludes it was unlikely that it was a lab source. i think that tells you what kind of a sham investigation they had. i dont think we need politicians right now posturing for a full investigation because basically none of the samples over there or evidence will be turned over. >> well, president biden did remark to one question that the focus should be in the future, preventing the nex...

The experiments. that book has never been turned over. also the samples that were studied and the samples that were used. the n.i.h. has been asking and the w.h.o. has been asking. they have never been turned out. theyre burn and the flashes flushed down the toilet and probably the septic tank thrown in the ocean. we wont get more information. >> charles: so where do we go from here? with what youve put together and everybody agrees with what youre seeing and anecdotally the source was a mistake...

Real thought that it could have escaped from a lab in this pandemic did have some jump in the wild. thats why we need record samples with personal. its amazing that after year and a half of the initial outbreak we still dont have that. >> bill: what do you think. >> what do i think? i think its terrible. >> bill: in terms of the origin. what do you think? speak up i have this on my jamie metal.com website. i think its most likely a lab incident origin. it starts and wuhan where they dont have an...

>> i did see. what she is basically saying is that we should not just trust her but the chinese authorities. the same chinese authorities who have been engaged in this massive cover-up since day one including destroying samples, destroying records, imprisoning citizen journalists, implementing gag orders, barring chinese scientists from writing or publishing anything without chinese government approval. should we trust the chinese government? the same government that is engaged in a genocide.

Lot more i was put out on sunday but its not directed at china but we can often see if this happened in a lab, the chinese government, even more of a reason, to make this statement more pointed. your thought on that. >> 100%, beijing, a fantasy i did that beijing will cooperate with impartial investigation because they have no partial conclusion. as long as they can plausibly argue this might have came from nature, then it is an act of god and they are not responsible for it. if it came from a g...

To this. we dont know if she has been candid yet. she is in gally. im sorry if im mispronouncing the name. she gave an interview in the "new york times." i know you both have read it couple quotes. dubious. knowing that she knows the answers, we didnt get a lot of q and a. here is one of the quotes, on on earth can i offer up evidence for something where interest is no evidence? thats when asked if interest was gain of function research and did this come from a lab. jamie, she says there is no e...

Samples, prevented any meaningful investigation so now a year and a half later its just not credible to say trust us. thats why we need a full investigation china making itself look guilty. maybe they are not guilty. we dont know. we need a full investigation. we needed it from day one and we need it now. >> brian: you pointed out too, dr. quay. you said with mers and sars was different able to control it in laymans terms could you tell me what was different about covid-19 besides killing millio...

Way. we know evolution is messy. all of us learned in high school or grade school about the darwinian principles of random and natural selection. thats why traditionally when we see these vices mutating. its not just they are yesterday to infect lots of thieves viruses are ready to infect humans on day one. there is all kinds of trial and error that happens in nature. this virus shows up on day one ready to infect humans. that doesnt mean it was absolutely lab origin certainly means thats a high...