Russian President Putin plans a visit to China in May, signaling deepening ties amid heightened global scrutiny. Moscow-Beijing partnership under close watch
before, not after. if they do not, will you regard that as a betrayal? betrayal? will be very late because it betrayal? will be very late because it will betrayal? will be very late because it will be - betrayal? will be very late because it will be a - betrayal? will be very late because it will be a lot - betrayal? will be very late because it will be a lot of. because it will be a lot of blood in the land and will be a lot of refugees, it will be disaster. this war is not only east of ukraine, this war is east of ukraine, this war is east of ukraine, this war is east of europe. we can now speak to steven pifer who s a former us ambassador to ukraine, and now, william perry, fellow at sta nford s center for international security and cooperation. thank you very much forjoining us. i hope that have the defence minister saying we need sanctions on russia now, basically ahead of the game. would that help? i basically ahead of the game. would that help? would that help? i can un
to make that sanctions threat as large as possible. but my guess is it would be difficult to persuade all of the european union members to do it now. i d like to see a us eu message to the russians that says, if you go into ukraine militarily again, this is what will happen. but my guess is also that many eu members would want to see exactly the skill of the russian attack before agreeing to the specific sanctions. yeah, you re really laying out the weakness in a way, aren t you, of the west s position at the moment. it s just not an entirely united front, and i guess vladimir putin recognises that and can very much work with that. certainly, i think the russians are looking for cracks between washington and europe, although i have to say that i think nato did a very good job last week of delivering a solid message with everyone speaking with one voice, and if the russians are looking for cracks, it s not exactly easy to find them now. we ve got antony blinken saying
the atlantic counsel sim, fred kemp. good to have you both. i have a question for you both. fred, i will start with you. in all of the reporting on this potential, possible, imminent invasion, i haven t heard one report or reason for why it won t happen. what am i missing? so, mika, first of all it is just great to see you in warsaw. give my greetings to the ambassador if you could. will do. what this is all about is can one change putin s calculus. in 2008 george w. bush looked by while putin went into georgia. in 2014 obama looked by while putin went into crimea and parts of ukraine. now is question is can biden be any different and change the calculus. they re trying to make the sanctions threat so putin sees it and says, this will be unbearable, this will hurt me far more than sanctions hurt me in 2014, and the fact that troops would move in after an