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do you still deny each of those claims? >> chris, of course i do. i'm completely innocent. i've said this before and i'll say it again. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> all right. all right. settle down. settle down. settle down, entire planet. settle down. >> another good one. "snl" hitting it out of the park. welcome to "morning joe," everyone. it's monday, october 24th. joe is out this morning. with us on set we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. he is tired. how many weddings in four months? this is your second? >> second in three months. >> you're like joe. so nick and meg got married this weekend. you sent the picture to alex. do you have a picture? when are we going to see the picture? very good. how beautiful. >> that was in georgetown right before the wedding with bradley cooper. who caught the bouquet. >> of course he did. okay. congratulations to you and ann. >> thank you. >> political writer for "the new york times" nicholas confessore and msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy former democratic congressman harold ford jr. back for more. you're not mad at me, are you? >> i'm a lover not a fighter. >> so touching. >> michael, congratulations again. >> pictures are beautiful. attorney and republican strategist ben ginsburg who is going to explain everything that's happening with the republican party and where it's going from here because it's in such good shape. in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post sam stein and msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele, you have some explaining to do as well. >> why? >> okay. >> we'll get to that. your opinions have changed a bit about the republican nominee. >> not really but okay. >> just a little bit. we'll get to it. but first, there's some recent polls out of texas that have shown a tight race there now a major election forecaster has added that state to its tossup category. real clear politics reclassified texas and its 38 electoral votes as a tossup. it comes as the latest poll gives donald trump a three-point edge in the state of texas. 46 to hillary clinton's 43% in a four-way race. why are you shaking your head? >> she's never going to win texas. >> he's right. it's not going to happen. >> trump has a 4.8 average lead in texas. a state mitt romney won by 16 points in 2012. meanwhile, the new poll in florida shows clinton 46% to trump's 43%. a look at the partisan breakdown shows trump's struggle among florida's likely voters clinton is garnering 91% of clinton support and 82% of republicans for trump. if clinton gets victories in the states where she's currently leading comfortably, that alone would give her 272 electoral votes, more than necessary to win. the electoral college map has the architect of george w. bush's victories, karl rove saying he no longer thinks trump winning is possible. >> well, if he plays an inside straight, he could get it. i doubt he'll be able to play it. he has 186 electoral votes in states he either leads outside of the margin of error or has thought comfortably put away compared to romney's 206. he would have to not only win two states where he's only slightly ahead or behind by four but he would have to pick up states where he's behind by at or above the national average. i don't see it happening. >> mike? >> all right. well so much for donald trump. this is a little -- talking about donald trump's potential victories or victory is a little bit like being vin skully in the third inning of an april game diamondbacks against the dodgers and they're up and you have to fill air time but you, mika, and joe scarborough in a lengthy list since declaring candidacy. quite an extensive list. there you go. >> well, we're in there somewhere. there's thousands of others. >> and ben and michael steele, i want to ask each of you, how proud of your party are you today and your candidate? >> there's no pathway, right, ben? >> everything is awesome. >> okay. >> this is working out just like we planned. >> yeah. no. >> what happens to the republican party after election day? what happens? >> the same thing that happened to the democrats after walter mondale or george mcgovern. the election will be a bad defeat at the top of the presidential ticket. there will still be a lot of republicans out in the states. 2018 truly will be an awesome here historically running against the out party in the white house. and what's really important is the down ballot senate races because there's so much up and coming talent for republicans in the different states. >> ben, you have been a pro since you were interning at the boston globe and you proved it again. michael steele, let me ask you another aspect of what happens on election day. there's a feeling among some that donald trump endorsing donald trump, sticking with donald tru through the course of this campaign leaves a stain on several national republicans. do you believe that? if so, how do they erase that stain? can they? >> i think to some degree it does. i mean, there have been clearly some voices that have been caught in the crosshairs between words that donald trump has said or actions he's taken and their defense of that while at the same time trying to create some separation for whatever reason whether to protect the senate, house, down ballot, something like that. the reality of it is when this race is over, there will be a great upheaval. a lot of trump supporters will be very, very -- very much full of recrimination about the y outcome of the race because you didn't support the nominee. the never trump people will fight like hell to pull the party back together while they'll try to pull the party apart. ben is exactly right. there's got to be a great awakening and come to jesus moment for the party after this election. but that would have been the case if donald trump had won because you still would have had those forces if he wins who don't want him or don't see him as a viable representative of the party still dealing with the internal struggle of who we are as republicans, those who do not want to consider themselves trump republicans if you will, will very much be at odds with that trump administration. >> i just don't understand why ultimately anybody thought this was going to work. not doing what is the right thing. there are things that tr right and wrong about what candidates say and do and how they act and how they behave and it's not like this is a big surprise. i don't know. i still don't understand -- go ahead, harold. >> three or four weeks ago an argument could be made that trump found a lot of traction and found some resonance with the country. there are a number of basic issues but there were basic issues from the outset when we started this campaign. you find yourself now three or four weeks later with eruption of a tape with him and young fellow on a bus talking about women in the most horrifying and terrible of ways and then a number of allegations against him. then you compound it with challenges in the campaign. three or four weeks ago he was in en route. you had senate candidates, republican candidates way ahead. looked like the party would consolidate and now things have changed dramatically. the question i have for ben and everyone around the table, if he loses narrowly to michael's point, i could easily see trump making the case to mcconnell and to ryan who he now is more popular in the party that had you guys embraced me, i would have won. i useded to work for mr. ginsburg many years ago as a young lawyer. it would seem to me he could call for resignation of those leaders saying had you guys been with me this might have been a different outcome in this race and my republican party is the future. is that a concern of republicans at that point. >> any time there's a narrow victory there's always could you have done more. that would be especially true this time. what we're talking about 14 days out from the election is not a narrow victory. so i would put that more in the hypothetical and more in what we'll see is more of the circular firing squad for a while. >> he bullied his way to the nomination and close to the presidency and an entire party was bullied by somebody that's not even a republican. i don't get it. >> also, he won the nomination. he won the nomination. the voters picked him. and problem for republicans, i would say, is that he has shown there's a constituency for his kind of politics in the party. it's not going to go anywhere. that's the real obstacle and can there be a leader in the party. >> he starts to lose. does paul ryan say i don't endorse? how do you have any credibility as a leader? >> that same fault line goes to the democrats as well who will face their own issues with the bernie sanders wing. you can pay attention to credence that in both parties there's a popular movement. both parties will have to be able to deal with over the course of the next four years that will get resolved in the 2024 nomination process. >> sam, let me ask you about that aspect that ben just raised. the democrats. i have seen and i think you and your coverage of this have seen too many democrats, top democrats, and democratic constituents look down upon trump voters as if they're one bulk, one definable bulk standing together. they're not. there's a huge percentage of trump voters whose needs ought to be addressed by the democratic party and have not been addressed by the democratic party. what do the democrats do? >> well, are you saying that some people in the democratic party see trump voters as deplorable and irredeemable? yes, that exists. if they're smart, they would recognize that where trump is actually doing well, one of the few areas he's doing well, is among those union households, white working class households that have felt economically depressed in the wake of these trade deals. the question for some democrats is how do you reach back to this coalition or is it completely gone? are we looking at a modern democratic party made up of different demographic groups? you start with policy. the onus is on her after the election. how much, if at all, does she pivot back toward the middle, which we all assume is where her instincts lie to be a moderate on policy. i have a feeling that we overstate her tendencies to be a moderate on domestic stuff. she has a good liberal streak on domestic policy. this will happen in lame duck. things like this are going to determine the future of the democratic party. >> looking ahead, i marvel at how republican leaders in congress and washington didn't see this coming and there is definitely a growing belief among members of congress that if trump keeps this close, paul ryan will lose his speakership so just keep that in mind if trump loses. and, you know, we said it when we heard the endorsements. we said it here in realtime. this is not going to pay you back. it never will. it never did. you got nothing for it. ultimately i think it will hurt top republicans. the clinton campaign is enjoying a major fund-raising campaign and cushion in many polls as they begin to look ahead to governing. clinton was in ohio, pennsylvania, and north carolina over the weekend critical swing states for her and home to pivotal senate races as well. while there, she devoted real estate in her speeches to the democrats trying to unseat republican incumbents. take a listen. >> i want to thank governor ted strickland, our candidate for the united states senate. elect roy cooper your next governor. send deborah ross to the united states senate. send katie mcginty on behalf of pennsylvania to the united states senate. she's running against someone who refuses to stand up to donald trump. pat toomey heard donald trump insult a grieving gold star family who lost their son in iraq. he heard donald trump insult african-americans, p.o.w.s. how much does he have to hear or to see. >> i mean, really. it's too easy at this point. there's so much damage done to the party and to these candidates. "the washington post" reports her campaign is sending out field staff and her campaign is spending $1 million in indiana and missouri on the homestretch. many to pick up democratic seats there as well. she's not the only one. politico reports this year the president will back about 150 candidates across 20 states for state level races including robo calls and photos of obama with the candidates and he has been aggressive on the trail at a fund-raiser last night he slammed powerful congressman darrell issa who is locked in a tight re-election battle with a nod to democratic challenger r doug applegate. >> you can make her the first ever latina to serve in the united states senate. just a few weeks ago, her opponent was supporting donald trump. who was bragging about actions that qualify as sexual assault. a national leader in the fight against sex trafficking of teenage girls and violence against women and passed laws to make sure the penalties are tougher for predators, expanded sex offender registries, gave victims the right to sue their captors and the other guy is supporting donald trump? what the heck? what the heck? heck no. heck no. heck no. now, i understand joe heck wishes he never said those things about donald trump. but they're on tape. they're on the record. and now that trump's poll numbers are cratering, suddenly he says, no. i don't -- i'm not supporting him. too late. >> too late. i mean, did somebody need to explain this to them? compare that to two years ago when vulnerable senate democrats up for reelection said things like this about president obama? >> if he wants to come up and learn about alaska, bring it on. i'll drag him around and show you what he wants to see but i want to convince him and show him that some of his policies are not the right direction. >> former presidential candidate mike huckabee took to twitter yesterday to give his opinion. if gop loses senate, it's not because candidates ran with donald trump. because they ran from him. no time for wimps and wusses. >> that's the worry republicans have to have. i agree with mr. ginsburg. at the same time to your point earlier, if there's a narrow loss -- best thing for hillary clinton is a big win because she has a mandate to do what she wants. close win is the worst thing for republicans. i can imagine to your point him calling for resignation of these guys and that tweet there from mike huckabee becoming the mantra for that constituency that supported him early on in this campaign, him being trump. >> michael steele, your view on trip has evolved? can you confirm? >> look, i said from the very beginning i did not endorse in the primary. i did not endorse in the general. i've said i would support the nominee of the party. but there came a point in the last few weeks where the conversation in my view particularly with women and then finally, you know, the decision that would not support the winner if it were hillary clinton that, you know, he would support himself but not the process of how we close out an election was just a bridge too far for me. i mean, undermining the core of who we are as americans when you go through this process, you know, combatants go to center of the ring and shake hands and everyone rallies around the victor. the idea this may not happen to me is offensive. i know to a lot of americans and especially to me. i think my party is better than that. >> michael, i know -- >> i think our candidate should be better than that. >> this is hard. i say this with complete respect and civility because i don't -- we could all jump on you right now and say -- >> no, you can't. what are you going to jump on me for? >> well, because there were so many -- >> i have not come out and endorsed anything that donald trump has said. i've given analysis. i've stayed above it as much as i could. but now i'm at a point where supporting the nominee is difficult. i'm about the win. i'm a party guy. we had this conversation before, mika. it's about the party winning. i don't think hillary clinton will be a good president for this country. period. but our nominee has problems that are hard to overcome at this point. >> those weren't apparent in the beginning and i wonder if i'm on my high horse here a little bit from my point of view. >> just a little bit. >> it's possible. it just seems like statements every step of the way should have had you running. >> why? i mean, it's not just about -- look, we've had this conversation before, mika. yeah, donald trump has said and done things but the point that was made earlier that, you know, this was a process that unfolded over time. i mean, there were -- i mean, you and joe had nice things to say about donald trump at some point in this campaign as well. >> no. we had nice things to say about his ability to win and the people following him. we thought it could happen. >> thinking something could happen and something actually happening and the election is not over yet, we'll see where this ends up, are two different things. this is a battle over winning. this isn't about, geez, the other guy is so bad we're going to capitulate and give the race to the other candidate. that's not how this works. >> i will tell you that you will not find a frame of video where we say we think he should be president, and we think he's better. we think his views are perfect -- >> i never said that. no one said his views are perfect. you don't have to say his views are perfect to think he can win. >> what i'm saying is people like you, former head of the republican rnc and you have paul ryan who is speaker of the house or mitch mcconnell, these are leaders. when you look at a person and you're saying what qualified -- what makes this person a leader, what at any moment during donald trump's candidacy, made you think he could lead? that his views were -- >> the voters that voted for him thought he could lead. the party officials have to recognize that and honor that. i mean, you cannot have the party officials lking at the voters who voted for him in massive numbers during the primary and say, well, you guys are ignorant and don't know what you're doing. we'll go in a different direction. we saw what happened when the party did that in 2009 in the 23rd congressional race up in new york when party official decide to handpick the nominee of the party. it led to great fissures within the party and the tea party and a bunch of other things. so i mean, it's one thing to sit back and say this is what you should do. it's something very different when the party officials have to pay attention to what the people are doing. he got 14 million votes. the most votes of any republican in the history of the party. you just can't throw that away and go, well, that was dumb. >> ben? >> republicans see this as sort of a schizophrenic campaign i think. this started off with the promise of i'm a disruptor. things need to be disrupted. i'm the candidate and vehicle to do that with a bunch of policies that went behind that whether it was trade or foreign entanglements. there was always a countermessage that stepped on the substantive message. whether it was 100-day speech in which he started talking about suing women or at the third debate, which he had a pretty good debate, but it got washed over by the notion of i'm not going to accept the election. >> always stepping on his own headline. >> coming out of both conventions when you needed to be strong with policy differences and disruptor versus establishment came the khans. you talked about miss universe opposed to policies. that's the frustrating part from the point of view from the leaders of the republican party that you're talking about, you have broad coalitions in which there are some members who are feeling an appeal and some who don't. >> do leaders lead or do they follow votes? is voters the party or who decides who is the party and what's been vexing and troublesome for gop elites is trump redefined who the party is and what it stands for and they are all caught in that -- >> these were -- this wasn't like he said things that were tucked in -- this guy was blatantly did not stand for -- >> they're politicians. they want to see how far they can get without pissing off half of their electorate. >> the republican elites tried their hardest to stop this guy. i'm happy with the outcome. don't get me wrong but in fairness to the republican machinery and to michael steele, i admire him for saying what he's saying. at the same time they tried mightily to stop this guy. we sat on this set and commented on it. i take you at your word and belief, mr. ginsburg. but at the same time we are where we are. democrats have to deal with it on our side with populism that has risen. i would not want to reconcile things after a donald trump loss. >> still ahead on "morning joe," the drip, drip, drip of wikileaks continues. more e-mails revealed from a top clinton campaign operative. we'll be joined by "new york times" columnist frank bruni, lawrence o'donnell and hallie jackson live from battleground florida and with all of this talk of contested elections we're joined by supreme court justice stephen breyer. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. whethei's connecting one of the world'most innovativ campuses. or bringing wifi to 65,000 fs. business cou oncommunation,n coun on centurylink. aer: thy' test you. break uril buhowever lothe loss gets. ower man cespumay f. yorehe driver.the one in co. stand firm. justwait. 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because i don't think it's just her. i think it's washington. >> i think there's one problem right there which is the elite in this country, media people like me, people that serve in politics in washington are apart from the country in a large number of ways. people serve in the senate are mostly rich. i think that there has been a problem that people who run the country don't always understand what it is like to be run in the country. people feel divorced and disconnected. i think ross gets it in this piece. >> i don't disagree with you. there are too many people in washington that have been there far too long. the only jobs they had are within the frame work of politics. they completely miss the pain and suffering that so many americans endured during the winter of 2008 and 2009. they still don't seem to understand it. they don't understand the concept of loss. so many people lost homes, incomes, hope for the future for their children. their 401(k) plans. these are the same people who put their children at risk of loss in the wars that we've been fighting for 15 years and it seems both in the senate and especially in the senate and house they just don't grasp this. >> i think it's also such a frustration with what washington has offered up and how those solutions just haven't led to better lives for people. one of donald trump's themes last night was tweeting about the new offensive in iraq and mosul. while his tweets are categorically stupid, there's confusion about what our role is these days in iraq that he can just lash out and no one wants to hear the elite say this is what we're doing. this is why it makes sense. we're winning. it's just we've kind of missed that opportunity for elites to have any kind of advantage point. >> i would like to dissent from the panel here. my old high school classmate, ross, has this one wrong i think. there are a lot of problems with trump that are associated with minority groups that don't happen with elitists. if you're a muslim in america, you might find dangers of trump more omni present than hillary clinton presidency. elites have their problems and that's undisputable but anything to tell us that donald trump wouldn't act temperamentally and launch a war that's unnecessary and damage iing. there's nothing in trump's record that would say problems wouldn't be as bad. we don't have any sense of how he would do as a politician. that doesn't give us a lot of confidence about how he would handle himself in the oval office. >> i didn't go to high school with ross. i wouldn't defend it. i don't think ross is saying that donald trump would represent what he's claiming that hillary clinton -- but i agree -- i think his point and what i interpret is washington has not delivered results. ultimately donald trump himself, no pun intended, he didn't need financing. it's not the money. it's the results. washington -- as someone that worked there for ten years ten years ago, i can tell you that i feel disconnected in so many ways from where the country is because watching this divide is something both parties, ginsburg had it right, both parties will have to deal with it. there's no doubt there's been a lack of delivery in d.c. on a whole variety of things. >> we elect someone who's been there 30 years. >> someone who knows how to make it work. in all fairness, i think one of the positives from this campaign and positive of trump supporters is they're concerned about income inequality and concerned about wages not rising. one of the first times we'll leave an election where you see candidates so different and divided yet the populist movement in both parties seems to be we got to do better in delivering basic opportunity for every-day americans and both parties want that. >> i'm not endorsing he would be a better president or she would. i think this election exposed there's frustration. >> i'm agreeing with you. >> they don't understand how deep the frustration. >> if elitegroup think means portability for health insurance coverage, if elite groupthink means get out of iraq and syria, if that's elite groupthink, sign me up for that. the problem is this piece and everything else around it screams for one thing above everything else. term limits. get out. you're there 10, 12, 14 years, get out. get someone new in there and get something done. >> donald trump proposed those. >> one of his best proposals. he buried it. >> still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> the internet has changed the planet. it's changed everything about politics. you got an australian guy working for an icelandic organization in the united kingdom striking fear in the heart of the democratic candidate in the united states. that's one hell of a story. >> mark halperin traveled to london for a close encounter with julian assange. that's ahead on "morning joe." ♪ (ee-e-e-oh-mum-oweh) (husmy darling.. fear my darli.) 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could i hand write a question for him? it would only take maybe 30 seconds. maybe just write a short answer. >> you got an answer. >> my question was what aspect of the podesta e-mails do you think the u.s. media has underreported. one word. everything. >> that's a portion of last night's episode of showtime's "the circus" where mark halperin hit the streets of london. joining us now, co-creator and executive producer of "the circus" former adviser to george w. bush, mark mckinnon. what an episode? >> our best by far. what we did for the episode was focus on wikileaks, the history, the people involved, the experts, and ultimately mark going to london and doing a classic halperin stakeout at the embassy and amazingly -- it was very 007 as you can see. the guy came out smoking a cigarette. we had to blur the individual out. to see it really without the blur, you see the guy come out and see halperin and there's a stare down and he says i can't be on camera. he actually gets a response from julian assange. as i learned a ton about wikileaks and it's fascinating, it's scary. and the point at the beginning of the show that we make is if there's anything that impacts this election between now and election day, it could be wikileaks. >> what do you think of julian assange? >> a fascinating compelling, interesting character. starting from his beginnings in australia. his stepfather led a cult. we start off in this cult environment. brilliant paranoid guy who has a lot of power. the squeeze is on him. he's in that embassy that cut off his internet. there's a new leader eer in he wa ecuador coming in. >> speaking of wikileaks, wikileaks released more e-mails allegedly showing the interworkings of hillary clinton's campaign. allegedly hacked from the personal account from john podesta. they've not been independently authenticated by nbc news. the clinton campaign blame russia for hacking the e-mails. some of the latest e-mails released d show clinton aides inserting jokes about the private e-mail server in several speeches. she joked. i love it. those messages disappear by themselves. in march of 2015, the clinton team seems to celebrate her first news conference on e-mails. an ally sent podesta an e-mail with a subject seemed to go well today adding i don't know how the story advances. that's good. podesta responded they'll go after the server but that takes us back to benghazi which is good for us and going back to a 2008 e-mail to podesta, paul begala criticized the former president on his comments comparing president obama's win in south carolina to jesse jackson calling it really stupid. begala said they're not staffing him right. he's just out there saying whatever pops into his head. as ever, he needs more scripting. she needs less. we're seeing moref the inner workings of the campaign. i think -- >> it shows -- >> every morning they have to be on pins and needles. >> am i wrong in assessing what we just read the wikileaks release of those particular e-mails that everyone we just read about is the same as 99% of everybody in america who use e-mail? >> the thing that surprised me having been in campaigns is there hasn't been anything more shocking. this is all pedestrian stuff. i tell you, one thing i did learn last night from talking to experts and a lot of it didn't make it into the show unfortunately, there is zero chance it's not the russians. it is absolutely the russians. >> anybody who disclaims that or thinks not is just not clued in. >> it's not a 400-pound guy in his basement i assure you. >> i don't think julian assange's alliance with the russians is about having pro-russia sympathies necessarily. it's his vendetta against hillary clinton. this has been blown up for so many years and now it's just there for a big october surprise. >> that's exactly right. >> i think on the front page of "the wall street journal" is the bigger headline today pertaining to clintons and that's this one. did you guys see this? the political organization of virginia governor tergave $5,00o the election campaign of the wife of an official at the fbi who later helped oversee the investigation into mrs. clinton's e-mail use. >> the deputy director of the fbi was running for state senate in virginia. that's pretty expensive race. another 22 grand from maybe the democratic national committee. i'm not sure. the link is kind of tenuous that the wife gets the campaign contribution so the deputy director can tell a couple -- that's not happening. you can make that link. that's not coming down the chain. >> another fact in that she was -- the governor was trying to win back the majority in the state senate there in virginia. third biggest recipient of funds from this super pac that the governor created. >> i don't disagree. i think the bigger problem is that's incredibly obvious. for this it's kind of like a puzzle putting together. a spokesman for the governor said he supported her because he believed she would be a good state senator. this is a customary practice for virginia governors. the fbi said in a statement that during his wife's campaign, andrew mccabe did not participate in any kind and then associate deputy director mccabe was promoted to deputy where he assumed an oversight role in the investigation into secretary clinton's e-mails. mark mckinnon, thank you. great episode of "the circus." later this morning, frank bruni is here. we'll talk about what he calls the media's moment of truth and how will the press continue to cover donald trump should he lose on november 8th? 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do you acknowledge that you're behind? >> we are behind. she has some advantages like $66 million in ad buys just in the month of september doubling ad buys from august. those of those ads are negative against donald trump. classic politics of cesspool kind of ads and she has a former president that happens to be her husband campaigning for her. the current president and first lady and vice president more popular than she can hope to be but she's seen as the incumbent. our advantage going in where we're find one, three, four points in swing states that mitt romney lost to president obama, our advantage is that donald trump is just going to continue to take the case directly to the people. >> and lawrence o'donnell? >> that's so great. she's complaining about that overwhelming clinton ad buy against the giant billionaire who was going to be able to buy all of the tv ad time in america. you know, donald trump first threatened to sue me five years ago when i said he's not as rich as he says he is. here he is begging for money every day from his followers in e-mails. people who he promised the great thing about me is i can pay for this campaign myself. the great original trump lie of this campaign about how it was going to work. here he is now complaining they have so much money. they have so much money. by the way, one of the main reasons i thought he wasn't going to run for president is everybody knows it cost $1 billion to run for president. that's what it cost for the democratic or republican to run for president. i knew that guy didn't have that kind of money. here we are. and it will come down it the finish line and trump campaign complaint is we don't have the money to compete with somebody like hillary clinton in the democratic party. couldn't be more perfect. >> interesting point for rebuilding of the republican party is the republican fund-raising machine has not been able to keep up. that's a little bit of a mandate on the republican national committee. >> that's because he said i don't need your money. he said for months and months i don't need anybody's money and then go try to raise money for the guy that said that. >> his small dollar donations, which is more of a populist message, is doing much better than hillary clinton's. those are voters opposed to -- >> michael steele, jump in. it wasn't a question of needing the money. it's donors didn't want to give him money. that was one of the big things that happened early on in this race was that the major donors of the party, whether they were aligned with a super pac or not decided they were not going to play financially which put a lot of downward pressure on the rnc to figure out other ways to get that money into their coffer to help those races across the country. >> let's cut to the chase instead of the texas polls and stuff like that. let's go around. everybody here. sam, michael. what's the over/under on how close hillary clinton gets to 400 electoral votes? >> bill clinton got 370 with 43% of the vote in 1992 in that three-way race. look, the thing i'm watching election night is georgia because the polls close at 7:00 p.m. let's see what that is. if she wins georgia, you know this out of control. if she's within five points in georgia, that tells you a lot about what could happen in every other state. >> there's an 80% chance she breaks 400. at the time -- the way it's going right now, it's looking bad. arizona. i was just out in arizona last week. it is a way tighter race than it should be. and the organization has been incredible in terms of new voters by some of these large hispanic organizations and they're really turning out the vote. >> new name. poor ben ginsburg. >> indiana is the other bellwether that closes really early. it depends entirely on what message he uses for the next two weeks. if it's the populist message, she's not going to get to 400 votes. if it's the sort of personal grie grievances message, she might. >> sad steele? >> not really. i think ben has it right. it's looking like georgia and indiana will give you a better sense of how this evening is going to go. i suspect right now she'll be between 350 and 370. >> baby sam? >> i'm looking at the computer here trying to crunch some numbers. if you give her every swing state except for texas, that means iowa, nevada, arizona, georgia, north carolina, virginia, everything in the northeast, colorado, florida, if you give her all that. not texas. she only gets 374. so she's got to get texas to get above 400 in way case i put the odds very low for her. >> donald trump by the way, you would think like a big policy speech might help beef up the campaign so he traveled to gettysburg this past weekend for a speech his campaign trumpeted as his final big speech of the campaign. intentionally choosing an historic setting. >> it's my privilege to be here in gettysburg. hallowed ground where so many lives were given in service to freedom. president lincoln served at a time of division like we've never seen before. it is my hope that we can look at his example to heal the divisions we are living through right now. >> so hallowed ground, incredible policy speech but just before he actually got into that policy, he had to just air some grievances. take care of a few things. take a listen. >> every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. total fabrication. [ applause ] the events never happened. never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> i'm watching ben ginsburg watch that and he's just watching. he's watching. and then his eyes close. >> poor ben. >> you know, in the first 100 days people want their president to be concentrated 24/7 on enacting the agenda on which he or she got elected. >> he wanted to make clear his focus would be on suing women. in the aftermath kellyanne conway goes on "meet the press" to say he was sending a message. that's a great threat. >> he's not going to sue anyone. i'm patiently waiting five years for him to sue me. he won't dare. everyone knows why he won't dare. lawsuits go in two directions. he's put under oath very quickly in this lawsuit, and he's asked questions by the women's lawyers and it's not just limited to their cases and that "access hollywood" video gets played in any courtroom in any jury to say look at this confession. this is what this man does. >> after that trump then discussed the policies he would enact as president. >> what follows is my 100-day action plan to make america great again. it's a contract between donald j. trump and the american voter and it begins with bringing honesty, accountability, and change to washington d.c. [ applause ] a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress. a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition. exempting military, public safety and public health. a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated. a five-year ban on white house and congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service. a lifetime ban on white house officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for american elections. that's what's happening. >> so there you go. ben? >> there you are. it's 100-day plan that will warm the hearts of many conservative activis activists, especially people without a college degree, government, washington, is out of control. here's how i'm going to stop it. that's a consistent message. >> how about the part we didn't have the time to show there where there's a new plan for paying for the wall. you know who pays for the wall in the gettysburg speech? the united states congress pays for the wall. that's the new plan. after the united states congress pays for the wall, then donald trump calls up mexico and says we would like you to reimburse us. that's the new plan. >> i need to see that. >> it's there. they can find it. it will take a minute. >> roll it. >> end illegal immigration act. fully funds the construction of a wall on our southern border. don't worry about it. remember, i said mexico is paying for the wall. with the full understanding that the country of mexico will be reimbursing the united states for the full cost of such a wall. okay. >> fully fund the wall is in his budget. >> what are you going to do? what are you going to do? i'm going to go to these ohio voters from the 60-minu"60 minu piece that we pulled, what are you going to do? do you know what you're going to do? >> at this point i feel like i'm not going to vote in the presidential ballot but vote in the down ticket. i know that i feel like hillary clinton will do something within three months that i'll be like why did i do this. i can never vote for trump. every time i get close -- >> what about gary johnson? >> he doesn't put on his game face. he didn't show the study of foreign policy you want in commander of chief. >> he did that tongue thing. >> i have my california ballot that i'm going to do and there's 17 people that you can choose from for president. there's a lot more than green and libertarian. there's a big menu. you might be surprised. >> now i have a lot of options. >> last night's "60 minutes" profile conflicted ohio voters, many of whom have seen their economic fortunes falter. others who simply dislike their options when they vote. just days from now. >> sandra cole, mother of four with one on the way has managed republican campaigns. you're sitting in this interview rooting for your party's nominee to lose. >> is that bad? it's bad, right? >> you tell me. >> the very first time that i very sincerely said i will not vote for that man is when he mocked the reporter with special needs. >> i don't know what i said. i don't remember. >> i had a really hard time with that because as the mother of a child with special needs, i know how hard we work every day for her to do things that others take for granted. >> you might vote for hillary clinton? >> i may. >> are you voting for hillary clinton or against donald trump? >> you see that's where i have a really big problem with this election. i don't want to be voting against somebody. i want to vote for somebody. >> but you're listening. >> i'm listening. i'm trying. i'm really trying. >> you're trying to get to the place where you can vote for the democratic candidate and you cannot believe you're saying that? >> i can't believe i'm saying that. >> are you enthusiastic about hillary clinton or just voting against donald trump? >> i don't know if i'm very enthusiastic about her. i do think she's qualified looking at her resume she is qualified. >> you would really like to have another option? >> if there was another option. i believe she could do the job. >> when african-americans vote in large numbers in ohio, ohio votes democratic. when they don't come to the polls, ohio votes republican. what's going to happen? >> i'm going to pray that they come to the polls. i'm going to -- >> you're not feeling that groundswell? >> i'm not hearing it. >> voting this time we're going to have to pick one or the other and it's kind of like picking a seat on the "titanic." i rather have other choices. >> these men and lisa should have hillary clinton in common. this is the united steel workers local 1104 and the only picture of a president on the wall is fdr's. at the door, the leadership backs clinton but a sign doesn't paper over jobs lost to trade. >> that first woman reminds me of what maybe you might be thinking. >> it's a reflection of the health of our country right now that we're stuck with these two awful candidates. as i've been talking to reporters in battleground states, undecided voters are united. we have two terrible choices. these people are jerks. >> what state are you voting in? >> i vote new york. it doesn't matter. >> take it easy. >> mike barnicle? >> we heard from undecided voters in ohio in the "60 minutes" piece, you can hear that same frame of reference in cambridge, massachusetts. >> everywhere. absolutely. they speak for people all over the country. >> michael steele, what were your thoughts when you heard especially the first person speaking, the woman who really just doesn't know what to do? >> it's such an unnecessary pain. this is someone who has been an activist in the party and worked on campaigns and now finding herself outside of the party because of her nominee. it's been one of the great frustrations of many republicans around the country. i've reflected that and others when you have the argument that you can make to prosecute the case against a hillary clinton presidency and yet we find ourselves time and time again talking about things that have nothing to do with being president. as illustrated again in gettysburg, why are you talking about suing women when you're going out there to lay out a grand vision of the first 100 days of your campaign when the aftermath of that conversation is you're going to sue women. >> donald's gettysburg address. >> i have a suggestion. think about not this election and not how governing is going to go but an opportunity to say to your grandchildren i voted for the first woman president. >> you can do that. >> that's something. >> that's not enough. it's hard. it's hard. >> the bo-- we'll be watching t last word tonight at 10:00 eastern time on msnbc. still ahead on "morning joe," a live report from hallie jackson in florida. and we'll go through some of the key polling with a founder of real clear politics. also we'll see if he's already factoring halloween mask sales into his indices because bill mitchell says they predicted every presidential winner since 1980 and trump is leading. and later this morning, the honorable stephen breyer of the supreme court joins us. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. 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>> reporter: that end there was a very trump ending to his sound bite. i'll help them if they help us too. that's something hillary clinton doesn't need to say on the democratic side because as we talked about, generally more democrats are supporting her at least here in florida. you are starting to see some of these down ballots republicans make the explicit case of elect me so i can be a check of power on a democratic president. conceding that for donald trump in their view the race is all about over. mika? >> nbc's hallie jackson, thank you very much. so joining us now from chicago, co-founder and publisher of real clear politics. tom, i'm going to read from "the washington post" in just a second. a piece written by fred hyatt. give us a sense of races where republicans are doing well, perhaps senate races. >> i'm sorry? say that again. i didn't hear you. >> let's talk about senate races where republicans are possibly doing okay. are there any and which ones are there? >> marco rubio is doing okay. >> florida. >> rob portman is doing very well in ohio. pat toomey is ahead by a little bit in pennsylvania. and that is -- >> north carolina? >> north carolina richard burr is up 2.5 points there. the place where republicans are struggling now, kelly ayotte, a poll came out showed her way behind. that may be an outlier. waiting for more data out there. and joe heck has fallen behind by a couple points because he was one of those people who went out and said i can't vote for trump and if he loses trump supporters, hence him falling behind by a couple points. you have missouri, which is a race that isn't getting a lot of attention. a very close race. that would be devastating for republicans if they don't win that seat. >> fred hyatt writes this. he says we need to have moral clarity regarding what we stand for and why. rubio said in a speech two years ago. this means reinforcing our alliances. it means resisting efforts by rising and resurgent powers to subjugate their neighbors. no one who truly believed those words could also believe trump belongs in the white house. rubio may win re-election. if so, he no doubt will go on churning out fine sounding statements about moral clarity, alliances and political freedom. many may be on target but every one of those statements will carry an inadvisable asterisk. caution. this is the view of a man who voted for donald trump. believe him at your own risk. tom, how does that not apply to a lot of candidates right now and also people like paul ryan who is seen as a potential for 2020. >> this is the big problem for republicans. you have tens of millions of voters who voted for donald trump in the primary who disagree with that and support donald trump on the question of trade and on the question of him saying that our foreign policy has been disastrous both from a republican standpoint and a democratic standpoint. you're going to have 40 million people that will turn out and vote for this guy in two weeks and if he loses, there will be recriminations within the party. there will have to be a reckoning among folks that hold fred hyatt's view oppose eview. >> you mentioned portman in ohio. he's going to win. he's well ahead. a couple states that you also mention and pennsylvania pat toomey and new hampshire specifically kelly ayotte running for the senate and i don't know about pennsylvania per se, maybe you can help me out with that, there's a watershed line with kelly ayotte. she can maybe withstand a five or six-point difference if hillary clinton carries the state, which i think she's going to really carry new hampshire, but anything beyond six points, kelly ayotte is gone. how does that apply to people like pat toomey in other states where the senate races are close? >> it's a great point. historically speaking, it's a hard ask to have senate candidates run six, seven, eight points better than the top of the ticket. it's really, really hard. doesn't happen very often historically speaking. i think pat toomey is in the same boat. as donald trump has lost ground in those philly suburbs with college educated white women, pat toomey needs those voters. if they vote for hillary clinton or don't vote at the top of the ticket, they need him to vote for him to pull this out. it's a tough ask. >> one of the underreported facts about the senate race is that each senate campaign to everlasting credit has its own get out to vote operation. interesting factor will be split ticket voting. does hillary clinton turn out republican senate voters and does the republican national committee turn out democrats senators? >> i was going to ask you about texas but nick would have laughed at me so i didn't. coming up, forces grind toward mosul trying to free that city from the grips of the islamic state. we'll get a report from the front lines. we'll be right back. upgrade your phone stem and lehow you could save at vonage.com/business in my idea boxom the cy would you help me make art? ♪ kps hey, i have an idea! arty: goe aming! amazing! under attack from kurdish troops who launched a major push and iraqi counterterrorism forces trained by the u.s. to be the tip of the sphere of this operation. forces are pushing further ahead today. this advance is moving quickly and top iraqi commander told me they expect to be in mosul in just a matter of days. assisting at times from just a few miles from the front lines are around 500 american advisers who help with air strikes and coordination. they're are 5,000 more american troops on bases. defense secretary ash carter visited them this weekend. >> we're going to get batter and b -- better and better at combatting isil. >> with every new village liberated from isis, there are signs of the group's radical intolerance including persecution of christians who lived in this part of iraq since the early days of the fate. this sunday, a priest, and his wife, like many christians forced out of their homes by isis returned to see what was left of their beloved church. >> i'm so happy because this is two years and three months. >> they thank iraqi troops for driving out isis. the church is standing but desecrated. religious art smashed. the iraqi troop celebrate the return of christians but it's too dangerous for the priest to stay. he salvages some books and vows to return when it's safer. >> we should point out over the weekend we lost a young american servicemen in support of the mosul operation. the cost of war continues for us. >> and up next, "the new york times" columnist frank bruni joins us with his latest piece on what he's calling the media's moment of truth. 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i think he's going to be a ratings bonanza because to nick's point from the outset, you can't ignore what he tapped into in this country. we'll help reshape this republican party and remain a central figure in doing it. >> there's a new situation in other ways. you said ratings bonanza. not true of mitt romney and john mccain before him. you go back to the other presidential candidates and there wasn't the same incentive for media and same economic incentive to keep covering them. trump is going to continue to make a bid for our attention. he's going to maybe still be a good economic thing for the media. we have to at this point say what is the public interest of continuing to keep our cameras on him and keep writing about him especially when he's trying to be so disruptive to and undermining of democracy itself. >> i think off the campaign trail will be a different thing for him. won't have rallies and events. i do think he goes onto become major force in the party. he could have his own tv network. he'll lead the side of the party that i'm not sure we can afford to ignore that or do to national politics in the next four years. >> if he forms a new tv venture, that should be covered as such. what we've been doing to date is every time he hurls an insult at anyone in any direction, we're there to pick it apart. his political insults don't continue to be headline news if he's just forming a new network and that's a business story. we have to make distinctions about what is business news and political news and what the right proportion is. >> sam, i'm coming to you now. wake up. >> he's making a lot of noise over there. >> i don't disagree with frank's assessment that there will be a post-mortem after this campaign. do you think the post-mortem ought to include specifically the idea, the concept, that the media print and electronic actually cover america and americans? their lives. lives of steel workers. police officers. firefighters. emergency room. why did donald trump -- why was he such an attraction to a specific group of americans and why are they disappointed and will remain disappointed instead of covering ourselves in what we did or didn't do as a collective media? >> i think there are a lot of self-introspection and questions that need to be asked within the media. we are due for you are a own autopsy report in a way. i think you're absolutely right. there was a lot of difficulty in struggling. my outlet certainly among them in figuring out what to do with donald trump early on and trying to understand what the appeal was all about and i think as we go forward, we're going to have to figure out why we missed the story early on. i think the best parallel for what frank is talking about is probably sarah palin after 2008 where she did go off and started doing her own media ventures. had her own reality show. fox news commentator if i remember correctly. you had to grapple with how much of what she was doing was just for her own enrichment and political entertainment value and how much mattered from a political perspective. gradually we lost interest in sarah palin. she never fully went away. i don't know if trump is going to be the same phenomenon as that. maybe i'm wrong. >> before we get out of here, what do you think a collective show of hands would be if you asked on the campaign plane coverage of donald trump and hillary clinton among assembled media, how many of you have been to paris, show of hands. how many of you have been to youngstown, ohio? >> paris would win. you know the answer to your question. you ask a question because you know the answer. >> i'll tell you, yeah. >> there's one difference. sarah palin didn't emerge from the campaign. still great interest in her. she didn't have steve bannon by her side. donald trump set up a situation where he has a whole media apparatus around him so if he wants to make a sustained bid for public attention, he has potential reach that sarah palin never had. >> frank bruni, thanks so much. okay. who was about to say something? it's michael. go ahead. >> i was just going to say to frank's last point there, i'm not wholly convinced that donald trump has an interest in the political as much as he does the media. the idea that donald trump is going so how be a movement leader for the gop post-this election, i don't see these tracks being laid right now. >> election is not over yet by the way. still ahead, donald trump says he wants to reserve the right to contest the election if it's "a questionable result." what would happen if the election gets turned over to the supreme court where there are currently only eight justices? 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>> well, yes. >> okay. let's go. >> we should go. it's a real -- it's a difficult quandary for me. i mean, i have known theo epstein since he was literally 12 years old, and i love tito francona, the manager of the red sox. he won two world titles with the red sox. >> you can't lose. >> you're torn. >> somebody's going to lose. >> but you can't lose. >> cubs in five or six. >> "morning joe" road trip. >> i suggest a road trip. this would be a great break from -- well, we'll cover politics, but you know, but from the perspective of this. >> my old friend in college shared brown has to be excited. he loves cleveland baseball, but i'm rooting for the cubs. but congrats, sherrod. >> up next, digging into a slew of new battleground polls including one from a historically red state that has turned into a toss-up. okay, nick? texas, it's a toss-up. >> toss-up. >> he's not buying it. >> plus, as we close in on election day, hillary clinton is talking less about donald trump and more about down ballot democrats. we'll discuss what that means for the republican party. 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"snl" hitting it out of the park. welcome to "morning joe," everyone. it's monday, october 24th. joe is out this morning. we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. he's tired. he is tired. how many weddings in like four months? this is your second, second down? >> second in three months. >> second in three months. boy, you're like joe. so nick and meg got married this weekend. you sent the picture to alex. do you have a picture? very good. how beautiful. this was in middleburg? >> that was in georgetown right before the wedding with bradley cooper. >> very nice. >> who caught the bouquet. >> of course, he did. does that at all of our weddings. congratulations to you and ann. >> thank you. >> political writer for "new york times," nicholas confessore, good to have you back, young man. msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy former democratic congressman harold ford jr. back for more. >> good morning. >> you're not mad at me, are you? >> i'm going to make sure you're not mad at me. >> are you mad at joe? >> i'm a lover not a fighter. michael, congratulations again. >> pictures are beautiful. >> attorney and republican strategist ben ginsberg who is going to explain everything that's happening with the republican party and where it's going from here because it's in shuch good shape. in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein. and msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele. you have some explaining to do as well. >> why? >> really? >> yes. yes, you do. we'll get to that. your opinions have changed a bit. about the republican nominee. >> no, not really, but okay. >> uh-huh, just a little bit. we'll get to it. but first, there's some recent polls out of texas that have shown a tight race there. now, a major election forecaster has added that state to its toss-ups category. real clear politics has now reclassified texas and its 38 electoral votes as a toss-up. it comes as the latest cbs/ugov poll gives donald trump a three-point edge in the staid of texas, 46 to hillary clinton's 43% in a four-way race. high are you shaking your head, nick? >> she's never going to win texas. >> okay. trump now has -- >> he's right. it's not going to happen. >> trump now has a 4.8% average lead in texas, a state mitt romney won by 16 points in 2012. the new poll in florida shows clinton 46% to trump's 43%. a look at the partisan breakdown shows trump's struggle among florida's likely voters. clinton is garnering 91% of democrat support while trump is taking 82% of republicans. a partisan gap he is seeing around the country. the associated press finds that if clinton gets victories in the states where she's currently leading comfortably, that alone would give her 272 electoral votes, more than necessary to win. the electoral college map has the architect of george w. bush's victories, karl rove even saying he no long er thinks trup winning is possible. >> well, if he plays it inside straight, he could get it, but i doubt he's going to be able to play it. he has 186 electoral votes in states that he either leads outside of the margin of error, or is thought comfortably put away. that compared to romney's 206. he would have to not only win two states where he's either only slightly ahead or behind by four, but he would have to pick up states where he's behind by or at the national average. i don't see it happening. >> mike. >> all right, well, so much for donald trump. this is -- i mean, this is talking about donald trump's potential victories -- >> not happening? >> a little like being vin scully in the third inning of an april game, dodgers against the diamond backs and the dodgers are up 26-2 and you have to fill air time talking, you know, for six or seven innings. you, mika, and joe scarborough are both in the "new york times" today. >> why? >> a lengthy list, all the people, places, and things donald trump has insulted on twitter since declaring his candidacy for president. quite an extensive list. joe, if you could sort of -- there you go. >> well, we're in there somewhere. >> there you go. >> there's thousands others. >> and ben and michael steele. i want to ask each of you, how proud of your party today and your candidate. >> and there's no pathway, right, ben? >> everything is awesome. >> everything is awesome. okay. >> working out just like we planned. >> yeah. no. >> what happens to the republican party after election day? what happens? >> the same thing that happened to the democrats mondale or george mcgovern. this election, if it goes the way the forecasts show, will be a bad defeat at the top of the presidential ticket. there will still be a lot of republicans out in the states. 2016 truly will be an awesome year, just historically, running against the out party in the white house. and what's really important is the down ballot senate races because there is so much up and coming talent on the ballot for republicans in the different states. >> ben, you have been a pro ever since you were interning at the boston globe and you proved it again. michael steele, let me ask you about another aspect of what happens on election day, in terms of, there's a feeling among some that donald trump endorsing donald trump, sticking with donald trump during the course of the campaign, leaves a stain on several national republicans. do you believe that? and if so, how do they erase that stain? can they? >> i think to some degree, it does. i mean, there have been clearly some voices that have been caught in the crosshairs between words that donald trump has said or actions he's taken and their defense of that while at the same time trying to create some separation for whatever reason, whether it's to protect the senate, the house, down ballot, something like that. but the reality of it is when this race is over, there's going to be a great upheaval, i think, a lot of trump supporters will be very, very, very much full of recrimination, i'm sure, about the outcome of the race because you didn't support the nominee, et cetera. those voices, the never trump people, are going to fight like hell to try to pull the party back together while they're going to try to pull the party apart. so i think ben is exactly right. that there has to be a great awakening and come to jesus moment for the party after this election. but that would have been the case, mike, if donald trump had won. because you still would have had those forces if he wins who don't want him or don't see him as a viable representative of the party still dealing with the internal struggle of who we are as republicans, those who do not want to consider themselves trump republicans, if you will, will very much be at odds with that trump administration. >> i just don't understand, though, why ultimately anybody thought this was going to work. not doing what is the right thing. i mean, there are things that are right. there are things that are wrong about what candidates say and do, how they act and how they behave. it's not like this is a big surprise. i don't know. i still don't understand -- in fact -- go ahead, harold. >> three our four weeks ago, an argument could be made that trump had found a lot of traxz, and he had found some resonance in the country. >> basic issues. >> a number of basic issues, but there were basic issues from the outset when he started the campaign. you find yourself three or four weeks later with the eruption of a tape with him and a young fellow on a bus talking about women in a most horrifying and terrible of ways, and then a number of allegations against him. then you compound them with the challenges in the campaign. three or four weeks ago, he was en route, you had senate candidates way ahead. looked like the party was going to consolidate around him. the question i have for ben and everybody around the table, if he loses narrowly, to michael's point, i could easily see trump making the case to mcconnell and to ryan, who he now is more popular in the party, had you embraced me, i would have won. which i think in some ways -- i understand mr. ginsburg's point. i used to work for him many years ago as a young lawyer, but it would seem to me he could call for the resignation of those leaders saying, look, had you guys been with me, this might have been a different outcome and my republican party is the future. is that a concern of republicans at this point? >> any time there's a narrow victory, there's always, could you have done more? that's especially true this year. what we're talking about 14 days out from the election is not a narrow victory. i would put that more in the hypothetical and more in the what we'll see is more of the purgative surgur ativative circ. >> he bullied his way close to the presidency. an entire party was bullied by somebody who isn't even a republican. i don't get it. >> also, he won the nomination. and the problem for republicans, i would say, is that he has shown that there is a constituency for his kind of politics in the party. it's not going to go anywhere. that's the real obstacle. can there be a leader in the party who leads them -- >> does paul ryan then say i don't endorse? look, the guy has lost -- hasn't he -- how do you have any credibility as a leader? >> that same fault line goes to the democrats as well. who will face their own issues with the bernie sanders wing. so you can pay some attention to the credence that in both parties there's a popular movement, both parties are going to have to be able to deal with over the course of the next four years. it will get resolved in the 2020 or 2024 nomination process. >> so sam, let me ask you about that aspect that ben just raised, the democrats. i have seen and i think you and your coverage of this has seen too many democrats, top democrats, and democratic constituencies, their people, look down upon trump voters as if they had just one definable bulk standing together, but they're not. there's a huge percentage of trump supporters, trump voters, whose needs ought to be addressed by the democratic party, have not been addressed by the democratic party. what do the democrats do? >> well, are you saying that some people in the democratic party see trump voters as deplorable and irredeemable? >> yes. >> yes, that exists. if they're smart, they would recognize that where trump is actually doing well, one of the few areas he's doing well is among, you know, those union households, the white working class household s that have fel economically depressed in the trade deals. the question, the existential question for some democrats is how do you reach back to this coalition or is it completely gone. are we looking at a modern democratic party made up of different demographic groups. you start with policy, honestly. and clinton, the onus is going to be on her after the election. how much, if at all, does she pivot back towards the middle, which we all assume is where her instincts lie, to be sort of a moderate on domestic policy. i have a feeling that we sort of overstate her tendencies to be a moderate on domestic stuff. she has a good liberal streak on domestic policy. this is all going to hap pen in the lame duck. will barack obama move the tpp, wait for her? things like this will determine a lot of the democratic party. >> looking ahead, i marvel at how republican leaders in congress and washington didn't see this coming. and there is definitely a growing belief among members of congress that if trump keeps this close, paul ryan will lose his speakership. so just keep that in mind. >> really? >> just, and you know, we said it when we heard the endorsements. we said it right here in real time. this is not going to pay you back. it never will. it never did. you got nothing for it. and ultimately, i think it's going to hurt top republicans. the clinton campaign is enjoying a major fund-raising advantage and cushion in many polls. and now they're looking down ballot, trying to turn the senate and house in their favor. as they begin to look ahead to governing. clinton was in ohio, pennsylvania, north carolina over the weekend. critical swing states for her. and home to pivotal senate races as well. and while there, she devoted real estate in her speeches to the democrats trying to unseat republican incumbents. take a listen. >> i want to thank governor ted strickland, our candidate for the united states senate. let roy cooper, your next governor. send debra ross to the united states senate. send katie mcginty on behalf of pennsylvania to the united states senate. she's running against someone who refuses to stand up to donald trump. pat toomey heard donald trump insult a grieving gold star family who lost their son in iraq. he heard donald trump insult african-americ african-americans, p.o.w.s. how much does he have to hear or to see? >> i mean, really. it's just -- it's too easy at this point. i mean, there's so much damage done to the party and to these candidates. the "washington post" reports her campaign is sending out field staff and her campaign is spending $1 million in indiana and missouri on the homestretch. many to pick up democratic seats there as well. and she's not the only one. politico reports this year the president will back about 150 candidates across 20 states for state level races including robocalls, social media posts, mailers and photos of obama with candidates, and he has been aggressive on the trail. at a fund-raiser last night, he slammed powerful congressman darrell issa who is locked in a tight re-election battle with a nod to democratic challenger doug appleigate. the president said, quote, i think somebody called darrell issa trump before trump. and here he is campaigning in nevada, targeting her opponent, joe heck. >> you can make her the first ever latina to serve in the united states senate. just a few weeks ago, her opponent was supporting donald trump. who was bragging about actions that qualify as sexual assault. catherine's been a national leader in the fight against sex trafficking of teenage girls and violence against women and passed laws to make sure the penalties are tougher for predators, expanded sex offender registries, gave victims the right to sue their captors, and the other guy is supporting donald trump. what the heck? what the heck? heck no. heck no. heck no. now, i understand joe heck now wishes he had never said those things about donald trump. but they're on tape. they're on the record. and now that trump's poll numbers are cratering, suddenly he says, no. i don't -- i'm not supporting him. too late. >> too late. i mean, did somebody need to explain this to them? compare that to two years ago when a vulnerable senate democrats up for re-election said things like this about president obama. >> if he wants to come up and learn about alaska, bring it on. i'll drag him around. i'll show him whatever he wants to see. i want to convince him and show him that some of his policies are not the right direction. >> as much distance between you and the president now as between here and alaska after that answer. >> former presidential candidate mike huckabee took to twitter yesterday to give his opinion. quote, if gop loses senate, it's not because candidates ran with donald trump. because they ran from him. no time for wimps and wu srx ss. >> that's the worry republicans have to have. i agree with my old pal, mr mr. ginsberg. if there's a narrow loss, the best thing for hillary clinton is a big win. and frankly, the body politic holds together. a close win is the worst thing for republicans because i can easily imagine him calling for the resignation of these guys and that tweet from mike huckabee becoming the mantra for that wing of the republican party that supported him early on in the campaign. >> if it's close, it's ravaging. michael steele, your view on trump has evolved? can you confirm? >> yeah, yeah. look, i said from the very beginning, i did not endorse in the primary. i did not endorse in the general. i have said i would support the nominee of the party, but there came a point in the last few weeks where the conversation in my view particularly with women and then finally, you know, the decision that would not support the winner if it were hillary clinton, that you know, he would support himself but not the process of how we close out an election was just a bridge too far for me. i mean, undermining the core of who we are as americans when you go through this process, you know, the combatants go to the center of the ring, they shake hands, and everyone rallies around the victor. this idea that that may not happen, to me, is offensive. i know to a lot of americans, especially to me. i think my party's better than that. >> but michael -- >> i think our candidate should be better than that. >> this is hard, and i say this with complete respect and civility because i don't -- we could all jump on you right now and be like, what? >> no, you can't. what are you going to jump on me for? >> well, because -- >> i have not -- i have not come out and endorsed anything that donald trump has said. i have given analysis, i have stayed above it as much as i could. but now i'm at a point, you know, where supporting the nominee is difficult. i mean, i'm about the win. i'm a party guy. we had this conversation before, mika. it's about the party winning. i don't think hillary clinton would be a good president for this country, period. but our nominee has problems that are hard to overcome at this point. >> those weren't apparent, i guess, in the beginning? i wonder if i'm on my high horse here a little bit. >> just a little bit. >> okay. it's possible. but it just seems like statements every step of the way should have had you running. >> why? i mean, it's not just about -- look, we have had this conversation before, mika. yeah, donald trump has said and done things, but the point that was made earlier that, you know, this was a process that unfolded over time. i mean, there were -- i mean, you and joe had nice things to say about donald trump at some point in this campaign as well. >> no, we had nice things to say about his ability to win and about the people following him. we thought it could happen. >> well, thinking something could happen and something actually happening and the election is not over yet. we'll see where this ends up. i mean, they're two different things. again, this is a battle over winning. this isn't about, oh, gee, the other guy is so bad, we're going to capitulate and give the rasz to the other candidate. that's not how this works. >> still ahead on "morning joe," supreme court associate justice stephen breyer joins us. plus, hillary clinton has been getting some help from some star power on the campaign trail, including miley cyrus going door to door in the dorms. will that make a difference with young voters? 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still, it puts a focus back on a short stacked supreme court, which has seen more than one recent case locked in a 4-4 tie. joining us now from boston, supreme court justice stephen breyer. his book "the court and the world, american law and the new global realities" is now available in paperback. mike barnicle, elise jordan, and michael steele are all back with us for this conversation as br you back on the show. want to talk about the book and a couple other things. just on that issue, though, it's a long shot, but it did happen 16 years ago. how would the mechanics work with eight justices? >> about the same. the court, when it began at the time of the constitution's writing, had six members. they had six members for several years. they had ten members for several years after the civil war. they functioned with an even number of members. half of our cases are unanimous. the 5-4 cases are probably, oh, 20%. and it isn't the same five and the same four. and i know that your professional believes they're all the most important, but for the average person, i would say some are pretty important, of course. but i would say a lot of those unanimous cases are also very, very important. >> so, you're not concerned about a 4-4 split on something like that? >> when you say not concerned, i'm trying to give you a picture. >> got it. >> there were about four or five cases depending on how you count, maybe four, maybe five cases out of, say, 70 to 75 cases during the year, last year, where the court did split 4-4. >> elise. >> justice breyer, in this crazy hypothetical question that, say, something did come to the supreme court, would justice ginsburg recuse herself or do you believe she should because of her previous comments about donald trump? >> sorry. excuse me. you said, would justice ginsburg recuse herself? you would have to ask her. i don't know that it does much good to talk about hypotheticals. when a case comes to the court, people file a brief, they write briefs. we read them, we have oral arguments and make up our minds. the inside story of a court is normally there is no inside story. pretty much what you see is what you get. >> mike barnicle. >> justice breyer, the book, your book, "the court and the world." the world is increasingly small in a sense, and elements around us have changed so rapidly within certainly the past decade or so. things like artificial intelligence. is there anything on the screen, on the horizon of the court, that concerns you in terms of issues that may be in front of the court right now or certainly could well become in front of the court? >> of course. i mean, it could come in front of the court, and you know them as well as i do. we're having the law that respects privacy, for example, was built over 200 or 300 years, and it has many different parts. and trespass law, direct privacy law, first amendment privacy clashes. there are dozens of parts to it. and suddenly, we're in a world where human memory, which used to be fallible, luckily, the neighbor peering out of the window down the street to see who was there would forget. but the computer does not forget. and it does not forgive. and that changes the way that the privacy law interacts with the world. and moreover, it's international now. it's all over the place. and that will give rise to cases, and what i want people to know in this book, particularly, is how my world, the world of the supreme court, has changed over 20 years. so where it used to be one or two cases where you had to know what was happening in other countries, today, there may be 15 cases, 10 or 15 in a year, where you have to know, that has nothing to do with ideology. it has nothing to do with the personality of the judge. it has to do with major questions now that really have an international aspect beyond our own borders that we, the judges, the lawyers, and the average person have to know about. >> michael steele. >> justice breyer, i want to pick up on that point you made about the ideology of the court and the personality of the individual justices. given the political messaging that has been part of this national campaign for the presidency, does it bother you when you hear presidential candidates, hillary clinton and donald trump, sort of set out a litmus test of the type of justice that they now want to put on the court? they must meet this standard, they must be pro-choice or pro-life. they must be for this or against that. does that sort of take away the blinders that we expect the justices to have in looking dispassionately at the case and applying the constitution? does that concern you at all, or is that just the way the court is now being made up in this new era? >> holmes once said, a great justice, he said it's like being at the center of a hurricane in that the center is calm. what goes on outside, well, those are things we can't control. politics is something i can't control. and i'm not involved. but what does bother me, and it's very much related, and it has been the same for the last five, six, seven years and maybe longer, is when i speak to a group of law students, i know what's on their mind. and i'll bring it out. they think you nine are a group of junior league politicians. and i say that's very bad for the court, and by the way, it isn't true. and then it takes me about an hour, which i don't think you have, to bring them along to the point where they'll understand how the court does work. and i would say if we have one problem in this country that affects me and i think affects many in public life, it is to get that high school student, that college student, that law school student, to understand how their government works and to be willing to participate in it. now, that is a problem that extends well beyond politics. it extends well beyond any election. i have written this book and other books in an effort to do my part in a sense to get people to understand how one institution, namely the security of the united states, works. >> before you go, i'm wondering if you could share maybe some personal insights, what do you miss the most or not of justice scalia and what do you think his legacy to the court was? >> what i miss the most, he was a friend. and he was fun. and sometimes we would sit there at oral argument and i knew i was going to say something that he wouldn't be too happy with. and he knew i would. and vice versa. and it was very interesting. what i thought was the best thing we ever did was we spoke to 2,000 students, a huge number, it seemed like, in lubbock, texas, where the two of us would discuss our different judici aial philosophies and th differ less than people think, perhaps, but they do differ. and what goes on in the court, and i think every one of those students left with a feeling that we were friends, that we were professionals, that we had a view of the cases, that the court does its job, and i think, and i hope that they went away with a slightly higher opinion of this american institution. >> the book is "the court and the world" and it's out now in paperback. justice stephen breyer, thank you so much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you. up next, we're going to take a look at early vote totals in nevada. chris jansing is joining us live from reno, the biggest little city in the world. keep it right here on "morning joe." befo takhis team to state fothe first time... gian gett, marcus. et it. .coachus s cash rewar credit rd gian gett, marcus. fr bank of ameca at places like e ttg cages. ♪ [ crowchee ] 2%ack grory stos now wholesale clubs. and 3% bac gas ich helped himiv hiplersr the cashardsret from bank ofmeca [by talk] [child gigglin il look, ma. no hands. children: "i", "j", "k [bicyclbell rings] [indtinct atter] [telephone rings] man: hlo? 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[wom speg indistinctly] fopatients like lynn,, testing may ado advanced gen options that can work. other trtmen arn how nomic testing is changing the way we fight cancer at cancercenter.com/genomics good evening. i'm chris wallace, and welcome to the third and final presidential debate. let's talk immigration. mr. trump, why are your immigration policies better than secretary clinton's? >> because she wants open borders and that is crazy. i mean, people are just pouring into this country from mexico and a lot of them are very bad hombres. >> bingo. bingo, i got bingo. i have been playing along here, and i got it. i have bad hombres, rapists, miss piggy, they're all living in hell. >> oh, my gosh. joining us now, author and columnist for new york daily news, mike lupica as well as political analyst and msnbc contributor victoria defrancesco soto, who wrote a piece for nbc news titled too bad trump chose bad ombres over big tents, which reads in part this, for the last 15 or 20 years the republican party has recognized that they need to open up the partisan tent and bring in more voter. until recently, one of the groups the gop had been targeting was latinos. but enter donald trump who took a completely different path to primary victory. instead of broadening the republican coalition, he subscribed to an alternate theory. bring back disenchanted white voters into the fold. more specifically, he implemented the divide and conquer strategy. we can't say whether the big tent or divide and conquer strategy was the best one for the gop. one thing is more certain. even in the off chance that the divide and conquer strategy wins th this toom around, the reality is it's demographically unsustainable. it kills itself at some point, right? >> ten years ago, ten years ago, we had a republican party with its sights set on latinos. on saying this is our path forward. this is the way we're going to keep the white house. because george w. bush was in the white house. so i think how did we get to this point? not only did we get to the point where we're not focusing on broadening the tent, but where we're talking about bad hombres, the one latino outreach i saw from donald trump was saying hombres, and we're talking about rapists and drug dealers. the truth of the matter is if you want to combat illegal immigration and drug trafficking, you need to talk about the demand, not about building walls or putting more law enforcement mechanisms. it's saying to employers, you need to stop hiring these folks. >> we were talking about this before we came on today. i actually thought not that george wumpt bush had a lot of good moments in his presidency, and bills are still being presented for things he did. his best moment was the mosque moment. okay, when he said cut it out. that was his moment that became his shining hour. and is hillary clinton even going to be allowed, to be allowed to govern in that way when she gets elected? i'm worried about november 9th. we have obsessed about november 8th. are we still going to be gridlocked or is she going to be allowed to be like the person you reference a lot, which is lbj. who would have ever thought with his own political history that he was going to be the voting rights act, and that's what he became. >> well, there you go. >> talk about the demographic dooms day that the republicans face. >> there's one more cycle where the republican party can rely on white male voters. i would be shocked. it just is a party that's ruled itself into extinction by this stage in the game. you're going to have ted cruz coming around again in 20 twen trying to beat the hammer that this is how we can win, but i don't see a future unless we go we have to look at the george w. bush model and trump could have learned a lot about how he reached out to latinos. >> i remember right after romney lost in november of 2012, trump did an interview and he said, you know, romney really messed up. criticizing latinos and talking about self-deportation. there was a moment when trump recognized the importance of reaching out, but he went another way. >> michael steele, same question. demographic dooms day. >> oh, my goodness. dude. >> are we here? >> how do you spell demise? the reality is, i think, a stark one. it has been in front of the party for quite some time. when they beat back george w. bush in his second term to really begin to open up, create an approach where the hispanic community to lay down some positive tracks, that was a signal, almost a death knell in some respects. then when reince and the autopsy said emphasized we want to do this, and then turned away from it, i don't know how you now recover. how do you look hispanics in the eye and go, we didn't mean that? >> i know. >> i don't know how you do that. >> okay. i'm not sure how republicans got past that point. but he did get an endorsement from the las vegas review journal. lupica, stop laughing, but sheldon -- i'm sorry, the review journal writes this. mr. trump's impulsiveness and overheated rhetoric alienate many voters. he has trouble dealing with critics and would be wise to discover the power of humility, but neither candidate will be called to the dies to assessment an award for moral probity and character. we're already familiar with the clinton way that turns into an orgy of influence peddling and entitlement. mr. trump represents neither the damage his critics claim or the magic elixir many of his supporters claim, but he promises to be a source of disruption and discomfort to the privileged back-scratching political elites for whom the nation's strength and solvnsy have been subservient to the power's pursuit and preservation. that's the scratch he's itched. you know what i'm saying? >> without a doubt. going back to what elise said, can we all agree this would probably be the last time you think you can become elected president of the united states by only speaking to the league of angry white guys? >> yeah, i agree with you, mike. >> they'll continue to do it. >> then they'll continue to go down the rabbit hole. >> at the presidential level. >> i mean, i still don't know how michael steele, for example, when we started the show, you were saying this is not about us. it's about the voters. when i was asking why it took so long for people to sort of say, you know what, trump doesn't work on the republican side, why didn't when he kind of insulted the entire latino population, why didn't it stop there. >> that was the defining moment that was missed. you had an autopsy you could have put in front of donald trump, no, this is who we are. his is the way we're going to go. that didn't happen. and donald trump took advantage of it. >> all right. well, that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle will be picking up the coverage right here on msnbc right now. >> hi there. happy monday. i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, we have closing arguments. both sides enter the final sprint, but donald trump steps on his message by attacking his accusers. >> all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> hillary clinton now with a double digit lead over trump in the polls, prompting this admission from the trump campaign. >> we are behind. >> fight for the senate. democrats feeling good and shifting focus to what exactly? >> the united states senate. >> the united states senate. >> more members in the senate. >> united states senate. >> the united states senate. >> the united states senate. >> senate, senate, senate. will they take it? and messing with texas. a new poll shows a close race in the deep red southern state. will the lone star state go rogue? we are just 15 days until election day. the finish line

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good morning to you on this monday, october 24th. thanks for joining us, i'm betty nguyen alongside alex witt and louis burgdorf. 13 people are dead and 31 injured following a massive accident in california. that bus was heading to los angeles when it slammed into the back of a truck, which was traveling about five miles per hour due to traffic. police say the bus was launched 15 feet into the truck's trailer. morgan radford has more. >> reporter: mangled metal, bus seats strewn along the side of the highway, bodies covered in plastic. investigators scouring the twisted wreckage after this passenger tour bus slammed into the back of a big rig. firefighters pulling victims from the wreckage. >> are the victims expected to recover? >> we're not going to make any predictions, but everyone is stable at this time. >> reporter: it happened just after 5:00 a.m. when the tour bus left the red earth casino in salton sea beach and rear ended a semi truck on interstate 10 in palm springs. authorities were able to pry apart the bus and the back of this big rig, where they are cutting out pieces of the truck, the cargo inside smashed and shredded. the cause still unknown. >> in almost 35 years i've never been to a crash where there's been 13 confirmed fatalities, so it's tough for all of us. >> they may not be able to determine the exactause of the accident, because the driver was among those killed. the driver of the tractor trailer suffered only minor injuries. an 11th woman came forward over the weekend to accuse donald trump of inappropriate sexual behavior. jessica drake claimed trump kissed her and other women at his hotel room ten years ago. after she left, she alleges that trump called and asked her how much to return to his hotel suite. jake is represented by gloria allred, a long-time clinton supporter. trump strongly denied the allegations, as well as other accusations, and promised to take action. >> every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign. total fabrication. the events never happened, never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> less than two weeks ago attorneys for trump threatened legal action against "the new york times" for publishing allegations from women, but no lawsuit has been filed. yesterday on "meet the press," trump's campaign manager expl n explained why he's waiting to sue his accusers. >> why not sue now? >> we're busy winning the presidency. we're a little bit busy doing that. he's just putting people on notice they can't falsely accuse him. >> this is a new poll shows voters are concerned about trump's reaction and rhetoric. voters overwhelmingly disapprove of trump's response to questions about trump's treatment of women 69% to 24%. that includes 71% of women, 67% of men, 70% of independents, and 41% of republicans. meanwhile, hillary clinton sought to contrast her focus in the final two weeks with that of trump's. >> we're making our closing argument. we're talking about what's at stake in the election, we're drawing contrast, but we're giving people something to vote for, not just against, and i saw where our opponent, donald trump, went to gettysburg, one of the most extraordinary places in american history, and basically said if he's president he'll spend his time suing women who have made charges against him based on his behavior. >> and president obama didn't hold back against donald trump and the republicans when have now walked back their support of their party's candidate. during an event in las vegas last night for hillary clinton, the president told an enthusiastic crowd that trump's rhetoric and insistence the election is rigged shows he's losing. >> donald trump is already talking about how the game's rigged. i got to say, that means he's losing. you know, if you start making -- if you've ever played a basketball game, and, like, halfway in the middle of the game suddenly someone starts saying the refs are making me lose and i'm going to walk off the court, that means you're losing. and, by the way, it means you don't have what it takes to do this job, because there are a bunch of times where it gets tough. there are a lot of times where things don't go your way. now when suddenly it's not working and people are saying, wow, this guy's kind of out of line, all of a sudden these republican politicians, who were okay with all this crazy stuff up to a point, suddenly they are all walking away. oh, this is too much. so, you know, when you finally get him on tape bragging about actions that qualify as sexual assault and his poll numbers go down, suddenly that's a deal breaker. well, what took you so long? what the heck? >> hillary clinton spent her sunday campaigning in north carolina, where polls continue to show a tight race with donald trump. yesterday morning she spoke at a baptist church in durham, joined by five mothers who lost children to gun violence and during her speech clinton discussed racial divide. >> there are those, as you know, fanning the flames of resentment and division, who want to exploit people's fears, even if it means tearing our nation further apart. they say that all of our problems will be solved by more law and order, as if systemic racism didn't exist. we've got to do the hard and maybe most important work of healing, healing our country. >> with election day approaching, clinton is focusing on battleground states. this week she's hitting the trail in new hampshire, florida, and iowa. clinton will be back in north carolina on thursday, where she'll be joined by first lady michelle obama. it will be the first time the two have campaigned together. a number of celebrity are also hitting the campaign trail for clinton. katy perry visited students in las vegas and singer miley cyrus went door to door at the dorms of george mason university on saturday. tim kaine says the campaign is taking nothing for granted. >> it's been a season of surprises. we like what we see now. we like the early voting activity and the absentee ballot requests coming in other states, but we are not taking anything for granted and we're going to hammer to do everything we can before the polls close november 8th. both hillary clinton and tim kaine used the same language to criticize donald trump's refusal for refusing to accept the results of the presidential election during the last debate. >> to say you won't respect the results of the election, that is a direct threat to our democracy. the peaceful transfer of power is one of the things that makes america america. it is not a joke. some people are sore losers, you know, we just got to keep going. >> another great moment was -- not great, but shocking, in the last debate, was donald trump saying that he didn't know whether he would abide by the results of the election. i mean -- there's a word for that, it's called sore loser. sore loser. >> vice president joe biden was in classic biden mode during a rally in pennsylvania, unloading on trump over the "access hollywood" tapes saying what trump said is, quote, textbook definition of sexual assault. >> he said, because i'm famous, because i'm a star, because i'm a billionaire, i can do things other people can't. what a disgusting assertion for anyone to make. the press always ask me, don't i wish i were debating him. no, i wish we were in high school, i could take him behind the gym. that's what i wish. >> well, a new national poll shows donald trump entering the last two weeks of the campaign with a steep deficit. the abc news election tracking poll shows hillary clinton with a 12-point lead, up three points in the week to 50%. trump has dropped five points to 38%. gary johnson with 5%, jill stein with 2%. clinton is ahead among men in a four-way race, 44% to trump's 41%. the lead among women is 20 points. clinton is also ahead among those with no college degree, 45% to 42%, though trump has a 19 point lead among white noncollege graduates. among all likely voters with a college degree, 57% to 32%. split by race, trump has a four-point lead among white voters, 43% for clinton, 47% for him. among nonwhite voters clinton is up. 59% say trump is making excuses the election might be rigged through voter fraud. 39% say it's a legitimate concern. 65% of likely voters disapprove of trump's refusal to accept the election if he loses, including 34% of republicans. yesterday, trump's campaign manager acknowledged there is ground to be made up. >> where do you see this race right now, do you acknowledge that you're biehind? >> we are behind. she has advantages, $66 million in ad buys in september, thereby doubling her ad buys from august. most are negative against donald trump. she has tremendous advantages. she has a former president, happens to be her husband campaigning for her, current president, first lady, all campaigning for her, all more popular than she can hope to be. we're behind one, two, three, four points in some states, our advantage is donald trump is going to continue to take the case directly to the people. still ahead, advancing on isis. iraqi and kurdish forces have launched a new offensive aimed at retaking mosul from the terror group. plus, bob dylan still hasn't acknowledged winning the nobel prize for literature. those stories and a check on weather when we come right back. boy, we' shippina toof e goofy ses. yeah. we, we gotta hanit to fedex. they've helped makour mmce, and we're getting alkinds n ctomers. i know. cau believe we'rgettingorders . this one's going to new zealand. new zealand? 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it's not that bob dylan is rejecting his nobel prize. that would mean he acknowledged it exists. instead, radio silent, leaving one member of the swedish academy to call his reaction impolite and arrogant, but he's hardly the first, just last night bill murray received the mark twain prize formerican humor. he'd been previously quoted saying if i didn't answer the phone for a while, maybe they'd move on for someone else. instead having a nigative amerin actress draw attention. a no-show for the emmys, but did join the joke with host jimmy kimmel who said the statue could be claimed at the lost and found. let's get a check on the weather now. those late summer days of last week seemed long gone. >> i hope you enjoyed it, it was so nice, but too warm for some folks. this week, complete opposite. cool front moving northeast here this morning. you're sieeing a few showers frm providence to cape cod. not a big deal, the showers for the next hour or two. what is a big deal is this cool canadian air later today and tonight into tomorrow morning. look at this reality check. last week 80s, try on 40s for size here by tuesday and wednesday in boston, the last time you escaped the 40s was back on may 5th. coolest in months in many locations. slow warmup throughout the rest of the week, temperatures slowly climbing into the mid to upper 50s, so we will rebound, but the rest of the week is chilly. temperatures in the 80s across the midsection of the country. another big pacific storm system will slam portions of the west here for this week. it does look like areas of california, up through washington state, will be under the gun for some rain, so we'll be tracking that and have more on that here in the next half hour. >> okay, thank you, steve. still ahead, a look at the two teams heading to the world series, plus all the highlights from sunday night football, including the cardinalsnd seahawks settling for an unlikely tie in overtime. sports next with louis. ♪ usg 60,000 pointfrom myha ink card i ught all t t frawork... wire... and plants a .. e whatheow of points cado for your busiss. len re at chase.com/ink e whif y have moderate to sev, cado for y♪ur busiss. isn't it te toet the real y shine throu? 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>> "the washington post" sends out field staff and her campaign is spend $1 million in indiana and missouri on the home stretch not for herself, but democrat seats, as well. she's not the only one. just two years ago, senate democrats up for re-election said things like this about president obama. >> he wants to come up there and learn about alaska, bring it on. i'll drag him around, show him whatever he wants to see, but i want to convince him and show him. >> distance between you and the president now between you and alaska, i have to say. >> politico reports this year the president will back about 150 candidates across 20 states for state level races, including robo calls, social media posts, mailers, and photos of obama with the candidates. and he's been aggressive on the trail. at a fundraiser last night he slammed darrell issa, who's locked in a tight re-election battle. the president said, "i think somebody called darrell issa trump before trump." here he is campaigning with katherine cortez masto yesterday in nevada, targeting her opponent. >> you can make her the first-ever latina to serve in the united states senate. just a few weeks ago her opponent was supporting donald trump. who was bragging about actions that qualify as sexual assault. katherine's been a national leader against the fight against sex trafficking of teenaged girls and violence against women and past laws to make sure the penalties are tougher for predators, expanded sex offender registries, gave victims the right to sue their captors, and the other guy's supporting donald trump. what the heck? what the heck? heck no! heck no! heck no! now, i understand joe heck now wishes he'd never said those things about donald trump, but they are on tape. they are on the record. and now that trump's poll numbers are cratering, suddenly he says, no, i don't want to -- i'm not supporting him. too late. >> former presidential candidate mike huckabee took to twitter yesterday to give his opinion. "if gop loses senate, it's not because candidates ran with donald trump, but because they ran from them. no time for wimps and wusses." many ohio voters have seen their economic fortunes falter and others who simply dislike the options when they vote just days from now. >> sandra cole, mother of four with one on the way has managed republican campaigns. you're sitting in this interview rooting for your party's nominee to lose. >> is that bad? it's bad, right? >> you tell me. >> yeah. the very first time that i very sincerely said i will not vote for that man was when he mocked the reporter with special needs. >> i don't know what i said. oh, i don't remember. >> i had a really hard time with that, because as a mother of a child with special needs, i know how hard we work every day for her to do things others take for granted. >> you might vote for hillary clinton. >> may. >> for hillary clinton or against donald trump? >> that's where i have a big problem. i want to vote for somebody. >> but you're listening. >> i'm listening. i'm trying. i'm really trying. >> you're trying to get to the place where you can vote for the democratic candidate. >> yes. >> and you can't believe you're saying that. >> i cannot believe i'm saying that. >> are you enthusiastic about hillary clinton or voting against donald trump? >> i don't know if i'm very enthusiastic about her. i do think she's qualified looking at her resume. she is qualified. >> but you'd really like to have another option. >> if there was another option. i believe she could do the job. >> when african-americans vote in large numbers in ohio, ohio votes democratic. >> yes. >> and when they don't come to the polls, ohio votes republican. >> yes. >> what's going to happen? >> i'm going to pray that they come to the polls. i'm going to -- >> but you're not feeling that ground swell? >> i'm not hearing it. >> voting this time we're going to have to pick one or the other and it's kind of like picking a seat on the titanic. i'd rather have other choices. >> these men and lisa tolbert should have hillary clinton in common. this is the united steelworkers local 1104 and the only picture of the president on the wall is fdr's. at the door, the leadership backs clinton, but a sign doesn't paper over jobs lost to trade. terry mcauliffe is said to give nearly half a million to the campaign of an official at the fbi who helped oversea the investigation over hillary clinton's e-mail use. mccaauliffe has tied to bill an hillary clinton. the pac donated more than $467,000 to the 2015 state senate campaign of jill mccade. mccade's husband is the current deputy director of the fbi. in addition, the virginia democratic party donated an additional $207,000 worth of supports for the mccabe campaign. a spokesman for the governor said he supported jill mccabe because he believed she would be a good state senator. this is a customary practice for virginia governors. any insinuation his support was tied to anything other is ridiculous. the fbi said in a statement that during his wife's campaign andrew mccabe played, "played no role, attended no events, and did not participate in fundraising of any kind." months after the completion of her campaign, he was promoted to deputy where he sure sued for the first time a role in the investigation of the hillary clinton's e-mails." documents part of the latest data dump over the weekend allegedly hacked from john podesta, they have not been independently authenticated by nbc news, but the clinton campaign and u.s. intelligence officials have blamed russia for hacking the e-mails. some of the e-mails show clinton aides considering placing jokes about her private e-mail server into speeches. clinton quipped about the social media app snapchat, which deletes posts automatically. i love it, those messages disappear all by themselves. in a separate exchange, the clinton team seems to celebrate her first news conference on the e-mails. podesta was sent an e-mail with the subject "seemed to go well today," adding, i don't know how the story advances, so that's good. podesta responded that takes us back to the server, which goes back to benghazi, which is good for us. one of former president bill clinton's top aides allegedly criticized former president on his comments comparing president obama's win in south carolina to jesse jackson, calling it really stupid. he reportedly said they are not staffing him right, john, he's out there saying whatever pops into his head as ever he needs more scripting, she needs less. tim kaine is brushing off the most recent threats against him by wikileaks. shortly after kaine discussed the group's data dumps yesterday, the group tweeted it had a surprise in store for the senator. he said the releases are part of a russian propaganda effort. >> these are connected to a russian government propaganda effort to destabilize the election, to affect the outcome of the election. >> does that change what's in the e-mails? >> the motive for them is very, very important for americans to understand, because this is near historic, and then the one that's referred to me was flat out completely incorrect. so i don't know whether it was doctored or whether the person sending it didn't know what they were talking about. still ahead, deal book, we will look at mega mergers on the way. you probably heard of at&t and time warner, but there are talks of a major one in the financial sector, as well. we'll get a live report from lond london. cubbys take their first pennant since 1945, but good luck getting tickets. we'll talk about sticker shock on them in just a bit. prge! a nuct. so we that's why y dug this out for you. and held have want you to it's your dhave it.hmer it meant a loto him... and heldyes, ge makeou to it'powerf macnes.t.hmer but i'll bwriting the code that will allow ose machines and heldyes, ge makeou to it'powerf macnes.t.hmer to sha infortion wh each other. i'll be changing the way the worlworks. 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speaking of money and lots of it, it's been 108 years since the chicago cubs won the world series and the cleveland indians haven't won since 1948, so if you want to snag a seat this year, you better have been saving that whole time. according to website ticket iq, the average price for a seat at wrigley field is, get this, tracking over $6,600. can you believe it? well, in cleveland it's slightly, but only slightly, more reasonable at $3,500. get out the checkbooks. all right, let's get a check on the weather outside. this is free today for us viewers. good morning. >> yeah, you're not going to pay for this kind of weather in the northeast today. check this out, temperatures are worth showing again. this is a dramatic drop from last week. if you haven't broken out your fall jacket, this will challenge you. down into the lower 40s by the middle of this week in burlington, even boston itself, we won't be able to crack 50 degrees by tomorrow and chillier on wednesday. it's a tale of two seasons, though, because we have warmer weather across the central part of the country. in fact, we are checking out summer-like temperatures, so short sleeves and shorts. it's a tale of two seasons where we hav temperatures in the lower 80s here from oklahoma city down to dallas and it will only get warmer throughout the course of the week. tomorrow, temperatures in the 80s. enjoy that sunshine, that warmth. no changes here, mid to upper 70s, atlanta, 80s across the midwest. check out the desert southwest, heat back in phoenix, almost triple digits. we're getting into the second half of october now, so big changes out there. we have stormy weather to talk about across the west, and this is a good thing for the water tables, especially in california. seeing rain moving onshore, heavier rain east of san francisco. this is the next big storm system in the pipeline of storms here for this week, so we'll be able to replenish water supplies out there. check out these rainfall totals. this is through friday, so three to four inches and i would surmise some of these higher elevations closer to five to six inches of rain as we head through the rest of the week. much needed rain there and we need it, because as we go into a la nina winter, things will dry out. chilly across the northern parts of the country, mid 50s in minneapolis, 56 in chicago. the nice weather along the gulf coast for today, so no travel problems today unless you're along the west coast or northeast, where we may see some gusty winds and chilly weather there. so airport delays possible, but overall, much of the country for this week coming up, alex, looking pretty good. before we go to break, let's look at some of the stories we're not covering today. in new york, the city is sending in feral cats to decrease the city's famed rat problem. volunteers are trapping and training the cats to scare off rodents across the city. new york's famous pizza rat could not be reached for comment, so we're not covering that one. stop us if you heard this before, an emu walks into a bar. strolled around the pub, we're not going to cover that today. according to a bystander, he did offer to put everyone's drinks on his bill. who's writing this stuff? finally this, pantsuits for hillary flash mob. we're not covering any of these stories today. instead, when we come back, a live report from iraq. back after this. wanted to know where my familme from. i did ancestrydna the most shocking result was that i'm 26% native american. i had no i it's opened up a ole new world for me. ♪ sectary ash carter made a surprise visit to iraq this weekend. he says although he's encouraged by the progress of the operation, the international community must prepare for a post-isis mosul that will have a, quote, desperate need for stabilization and reconstruction. this comes as a top u.s. general tells nbc news that isis is attempting to establish a caliphate in afghanistan. joining us now live from irbil, iraq, matt bradley. matt, there are reports that isis has launched a new attack on the iraqi town of rutbah. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: thanks, betty. the rutbah attack is meant to distract the front line fighting in mosul and drag some of the major forces away from that massive fight that's coming right upon the second largest city in iraq. this is classic islamic state diversionary tactics. they did this in kirkuk, which is about an hour and a half south of where i'm standing right now here in irbil and others. you can describe them as kind of almost medieval crazy attacks. they set fire to a sulfur factory, have done things also in the valley, signals the islamic state is coming under pressure and they are lashing out erratically in order to distract and use new and novel methods to really kind of push back against the iraqi security forces, whose forces are all coming around mosul just in the last week. but the front line fighting has really kind of slowed down since the battle started last monday. what we've seen is some of the shaping operations that have been going around to the north and east have reached an impasse and that's not necessarily because of islamic state fighters themselves, but because of the defensive ramparts they've built in these towns, which are mostly deserted. talking mostly about ieds causing so many problems for peshmerga fighters and special forces, iraqi special forces who are moving in, and have still yet to pierce the outer defenses of the city of mosul. betty? 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>> because she wants open borders and that is crazy. i mean, people are just pouring into this country from mexico and a lot of them are very bad hombres. >> oh, bingo, bingo. i got bingo. i've been playing all year, and i got it. i have bad hombres, rapists, miss piggy, they are all living in hell, and if she wasn't my daughter. >> i don't care what anyone says, those guys are genius. absolutely genius. so good. before we toss it to "morning joe," more on the stories in the day ahead, proceedings in the bridgegate trial are set to enter the final stages today. bridget kelly is expected to retake the stand. closing arguments expected to begin on wednesday. a judge is sentencing kathleen kane today, found guilty in august of leaking grand jury documents in an attempt to embarrass a political rival and lying about it under oath. on the campaign trail today, donald trump holds two events in florida, while hillary clinton will hold a rally with senator elizabeth warren in new hampshire. tim kaine will hold two events in florida. governor mike pence has two stops in north carolina. meanwhile joe biden will make a pair of stops in ohio today. that's going to do it for us on this monday. i'm betty nguyen alongside alex witt, louis burgdorf. "morning joe" starts right now. secretary clinton, now, to ongoing issue for your campaign. wikileaks has been releasing your campaign e-mails. many of which raise some serious questions. >> thank you for bringing up my e-mails, chris. i'm very happy to clarify what was in some of them. i'm sorry, what, carol? i thought i heard my friend, carol. back to your question about the way donald treats women and that is how you pivot. >> so you're just never going to answer a question about your e-mails? >> no. but it was very cute to watch you try. >> mr. trump, in the last week 11 women accuse you of

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