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The president very much tried to steal an election. thats without a doubt. there were people, jeffrey clark we know of, inside the justice department who tried to help them and people who held the line. its not at all clear that what they did was illegal. i think we need to have full transparency about this. if congress doesnt -- if congress finds that they dont have the full ability either because people wont show up for interviews. they can get documents but people wont show up and former empl...

>> never go wrong by endorsing what he said. i have two thoughts. one, its really a shame when the idea is, is there a way to make something less responsive to democracy? >> yes. >> its terrible to think that thats the route. the other is that already the appointment process could be changed, remember, whoever is appointed is serving at the pleasure of the president, just like the fbi director has a ten-year term. that didnt stop -- theres political consequences, but it doesnt stop the president...

>> matt, lets go into what there is -- a lot of people say garland has work to do. what does that mean? what is it that he can do that would somehow protect the justice department from interference from a future president trump? is there anything he can do? is it really just disclosure of what happened during the trump years that is really the best sunshine that could be -- the best sort of disinfectant you can hand to try to publically shame folks about what happened with justice in the trump y...

Need to make decisions about what the reforms ought to be. as a starting point, reforms at the justice department when doj should get involved in election contests that need to be considered. we need stronger rules about the contacts between the white house and justice department. theres a memo on that its binding policy. but it tells you who can talk to who at each building. it doesnt tell you what they can and cant talk about. we should look at trying to wall some of those off. all the stronge...

Sort of -- i dont know if you call it non-partisan. but theres this clearly many justice department veterans have some sort of spine here that perhaps a weaker politically minded person would not have. >> you know, i have mixed feelings about this. its right, there are a number of people with whom i thought acted completely inappropriately at times at the justice department. bill barr and jeffrey rosen, chief among them, who acted with great integrity at this juncture. the question i wondered --...

Branch doing the right thing, but those people knowing if they do the wrong thing, there could be criminal sanctions for them after they leave office. >> i put this by matt once before. should we change the way the top officials at justice are appointed and go the federal reserve route? five-year terms, stagger them, hope that you sort of make it so that just like the federal reserve board, always happens to have people from multiple administrations in the leadership. yes, the head of the federa...

It was demanded on twitter. we know people like congressman schiff were swept up in the surveillance, as you and your guests were discussing in the previous segment. more investigation needs to be done to get all the details. schiff was being called out in hundreds of public tweets. these requests basically got their result. more investigation to know if people met at the justice department and said, lets respond to the tweet or find a back door in. he got what he wanted. >> jill, we learned fro...

Didnt. trumps effort to overthrow the 2020 election was just tweets. he really tried. a handful of people at the department of justice basically held strong. it hung on by a thread. lets dig deeper. joining me on this is andrew weissmann, a member of robert muellers special council team and an msnbc news contributor, matt miller, msnbc contributor and roselyn helderman who has done key reporting. we leaned on much of the reporting you and others have had. i feel like we are trying to show you th...

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And learn from it. sounds trivial, but its one of the hardest things to do because entrepreneurs are geared towards believing what they go is -- do is right. at babble, it kind of saved us. we gave into the fact that we have to get people on board that understand language learning better than we do. we understand the app part. >> did it took you longer than it should to own that failure and change. >> yeah, how do you know? >> you know it in your gut, you know it is happening, but it takes a lon...