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"all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" day >> people are saying to themselves, where we better off four years ago or are we better off now and it wasn't even close. >> the greatest confidence game ever played. >> voters believe they were better off during trump's term than biden's. >> we are not better off today than we were four years ago. >> tonight, from crime to the economy and beyond how a political party led by a criminal is conning america. then -- >> you, you are working for a felon. a felon. >> the maga scandal machine and today's contempt about for the attorney general. and the senate push to do something about the ethics crisis in the supreme court. >> the highest court in the land should not and could not have the lowest ethical standards. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. as we approach the first debate of a presidential election season, earlier than normal between joe biden and donald trump, it is clear that trump and the republican pitch to voters is fundamentally a con job. i mean that in the most literal sense. the term comes from so-called confidence man, fixtures in the late 18th and 19th century who swindled the victims with their confidence. right now that all's bravado is the defining feature of donald trump's attempt to win back the oval office. remember, this is the man who tried to destroy our constitutional republic live on national television and who utterly failed in overseeing the one national crisis he had to guide the nation through the pandemic. and yet trump and his surrogates are constantly telling voters to ask themselves a question, are you better off than you were four years ago? >> are you better off than you were four years ago? i don't think joe biden can run on the question of are you better off than you were four years ago. >> that is one question he is praying that he never hears. are you better under four years of joe biden were four years of donald trump. >> you know, people are saying to themselves are we better off four years ago or are we better off now and it wasn't even close. >> that, by the way, was all from the past week. we have been running a series on "all in" responding to that question because the events of four years ago were so shocking, unprecedented, and traumatic. i think a lot of people, i would say most people including myself, have blocked it out. again, i get it. i don't want to think about sitting inside trying to homeschool my kids or attending zuma for my dearly departed uncle or the images of packed hospitals and dying saying goodbye to their loved ones on ipads. of course the fact that most people don't want to think too much about 2020 is an enormous advantage for republicans and the trump campaign who are attempting to pull off this con job. their aim is to kind of magically replace her memory. to distract you from the fact that four years ago we were all living in the midst of disaster. >> tonight the country has reached another sobering milestone in the coronavirus pandemic, surpassing 2 million cases and this warning sign. hospitalizations are surging in many states. >> we will start our rallies back up now. we had a tremendous run at rallies. i don't think there has been an empty seat. i think one in texas. we are going to arizona. >> texas and arizona among nine states reporting a jump in hospitalizations, the best indicator of the viruses toll. >> we are really doing a financial comeback. the jobs numbers are fantastic. >> 1.5 million people filed front employment last week, almost 43 million since the pandemic began. >> i think the economy next year will be maybe the best it has ever been. we are already seeing the stock market going up, because you have a lot of smart people betting on exactly what i'm saying. >> a selloff from wall street amid new concerns about the continuing spread of covid-19. the dow plunging more than 1800 points, its biggest drop in three months. >> a very important time in our country. a lot of things are happening and i think when it all ends up it is going to end up very good for everybody. >> there is growing concern tonight that restricting restrictions is causing an increase in covid-19 cases. >> all lives are precious, not just the people infected by covid, but also the people who are being driven to this because of the lockdown. >> what is happening in some of those places. that shut down. the poverty rate is going up. what are people going to do if they don't have jobs to go to to earn a living in order to take care of their families? that is the main reason. all of these scare tactics, they don't work this time around. they will not work. >> i should note one week after herman cain made that appearance on fox news, he attended donald trump's indoor rally. a big, indoor rally in the midst of covid in tulsa, oklahoma and by the end of june he was hospitalized with covid and died on july 30 at the age of 74. naturally every time we do one of these segments i find that looking back at four years ago brings a lot of emotion. most people divide recent history into the before times and the after times, myself included. a lot of us feel nostalgia for the before times and that is exactly what donald trump and his allies are using to build their lie about what really happened. to erase our real memories and implant false ones. that is their project and it has been unnervingly effective so far. four years ago in june, 2020 while we were living through the pandemic donald trump's approval rating was 42%. and when a new poll, 47% of americans say they approve of the job that trump did as president. it is not much, but those five points are basically the margin of the entire election and they are accomplishing that through flat out lies about what is actually happening. take a listen to missouri senator josh hawley doing this today. >> he's going to run on his record from four years ago versus biden right now. gas under president biden, up 55%. groceries, up 40%. wages down 3%. that is the campaign. that is before we get to crime, before we get to the border. >> sorry, josh hawley. wages are up. average hourly earnings are actually up 17% from may, 2020 two 2024 in nominal terms, like groceries and stuff. wages have also outpaced inflation for the past 13 months as the washington post pointed out today. crime is way down. look at what has happened with the homicide rate. in 2020 when donald trump was president, he ushered in under his presidency the largest ever one year jump, spiking 30%. by 2023 the homicide rate had tumbled 19% to 5.3 per 100,000 people. new data shows the rate continues to drop dramatically, down another 20 -- another 26% in the first quarter from the same time period last year. gas prices, are, i will admit, overall higher than they were in the summer of 2020. why were they low then? no one was traveling anywhere. okay? that is why there were cheap gas prices. refrigerator trucks full of cadavers, yeah, the gas prices were low. and they spiked up in the early part of the biden administration with the war in ukraine, but they have been trending in the right direction and continue to fall even as the summer travel season heats up. grocery prices are coming down. not just with inflation which cooled to 3.3% today, but retailers are actually slashing prices on thousands of islands. -- of items. again, they spiked during the pandemic like they did everywhere in the world, but they are on the right trajectory now and all of this is happening under the incumbent, joe biden. and we are not losing thousands of americans per day to a deadly pandemic. we do not live in a nation in the throes of constant disorder. this time four years ago we were living through the televised murder of george lloyd and the protestant police response that followed while then president trump called for sending in troops. >> across the country was started as peaceful gatherings protesting the death of george floyd evolved into destruction. from new york, where police and protesters squared off in the streets, to portland where the mayor issued a state of emergency and a city curfew. >> the nation erupted into scenes of chaos. violence. and widespread destruction into the early morning hours. in some of the nation's biggest cities, the night spiraled out of control early. >> we had to run -- rubber bullets. my cameraman has been hit. we have also seen tear gas being used. here we go again. this is exactly what it looks like. >> oh. >> whoa. >> can you hear us? >> are you okay? >> reporter: we are surrounded by the police and you saw the way that they dealt with my cameraman. we don't know who they are targeting at the moment. >> i said you have to dominate the streets. you can't let that happen and we are doing it with compassion, if you think about it. we are dominating the street with compassion. >> all that happens under the watch of president donald trump. we cannot say or hear that and if he returns to power i am telling you it is a safe bet that we will return to trauma and chaos. she is a democratic strategist who served as an advisor for the 2020 campaign. they both join me now. doug, i wanted to talk to you because in some ways history and recent history is part of what is being contested in this campaign. the legacy of the first trump year, trump term, and particularly 2020, the four years ago in the famous formulation, as a historian and historian and presidential elections, how do you see it? >> i think january 6 is such a seminal event and for the days after it seemed like trump was toast. everybody was furious that insurrectionists, but lo and behold suddenly mitch mcconnell came back to trump and lindsey graham and they sort of built this coalition and what is it? it is really anti-federal government. that is what trump represents now. that is why we are seeing the american flag hung upside down by conservative justices. and biden is trying to be part of a tradition, presidents club, of all of the other presidents. you saw on june 6, where ronald reagan is. by then saying i represent all of this and trump is sort of the anti-federal government, anger over covid. and that people still feel that their lives became topsy-turvy and they are going to punish whoever the incumbent is. so it is hard for biden to get traction even though as you said, numbers on the economy are good. we are much better off. he has shown great leadership, but communicating that to the people when there is this much frenzy on social media and hatred toward the federal government, it is an uphill battle for biden to get reelected. >> i was thinking about 2010, the elections in which of course democrats lost. the tea party uprising. a lot of that was something similar was happening. which is people were frustrated with the aftermath of the financial crisis ushered in by the republican party. democrats were the incumbent party and they took it out against the democrats and it was sort of classic like we don't like the status quo because things are bad and they were bad, but the reason they were bad is because what had been passed on. there is something similar here where the things people don't like him a totally understandably, the shocks that came out of covid were not the doing of joe biden. subsequent administrations had to fix that and people still feel frustrated with the pace that is happening. >> it's interesting that you bring up what happened in 2010 because i think of the history of the democratic party. to clean up the miss of the republican party and as democrats clean up the miss they have to message against republicans who are acting as if they want the party that let estate into it. four years ago donald trump was telling people to drink leach to cure covid while he was having superspreader events. four years ago people were in their homes watching what you just did in a montage, but we were watching that every day for 24 hours, not knowing when we would see our loved ones and then trying to figure out who we were going to vote for when it comes to the president to get us out of this. you know, policy for people to feel it in their pocket books takes a very long time and while you mentioned some great reports for the biden administration, even the global economic report this week that said the global economy is strong because the u.s. economy is getting strong, but people are not feeling that yet. that is not the fault of president biden. that is the unregulated corporations that republicans are blocking anything democrats want to do around this. this debate coming up, president biden will have to figure out how to message that as well as the surrogates and people talking about this between now and election day so people understand how they are not feeling this, even though these historic numbers are bringing us back to a place that the american people really want to be. >> you know, doug, i think that before times nostalgia is powerful and i think there is another thing in play here and i would like to get your thoughts on it. my view of trump was always that this is a person who is so unsuited to the job above all else that if and when a crisis comes it will be the worst possible response and then covid happened and it was borne out. i think a lot of people think 2020 is a mulligan. it was a meteor that hit earth and they sort of blocked out the degree of insanity in the crisis management that happened that year and i wonder if you think it is possible to remind them or people are so resistant to thinking about it. >> i think you can and it is going to be imperative that joe biden reminds people, particularly during the upcoming debate with trump. trump has gone through so many legal jeopardy moments and years have gone by and we are running it on television all the time and you have the 34 felony conventions -- convictions. even when that happens some democrats were saying don't rub it in trump's base. of course you have to rub it in his face. you have to call him a felon. biden has struggled i think with messaging in the sense of this economy that has been building. he called it a transitory pain we were having at one point and then it was bidenomics. instead they have to lay out that our economy is doing well. yes, i feel your pain at milk, groceries, gas, but he has to be the happy warrior like fdr. at times he does that. i felt that when he was in france, talking about freedom and democracy, but other times he gets in a bit of a defensive crouch. you can't be gerald ford with whip inflation now buttons. you can't be jimmy carter, the malaise or crisis of confidence. presidents get reelected with a sense of victory and optimism and better times are yet to come and obama when he ran, he had the killing of osama bin laden which gave him the foreign policy credential that people clearly understood. the revenge of the 9/11 disaster. >> the sort of past versus future -- obviously you have two individuals, one is who is 78 and the other is 81. in some ways donald trump is the recent past and i do wonder if because the past four years have been so dramatic and disruptive, people want to go back in time and that is part of the allure. >> i think people want to go back in time when there was what they felt was more certainty. with covid there was such uncertainty. the racial unrest and then we saw january 6. hindsight is 2020 and for some reason some people as though they -- people feel as though they were better under donald trump. that wasn't the case. i think we have to make sure that president biden, and i hope his campaign is listening, that he simplifies his message. he has always been the comforter right next to president obama. be that president and then talk about the ways not only has it gotten folks out of this, but he will continue to do so if they give him four more years. along with a 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weaponize what are very constitutional and serious tools that the congress has at its disposal. in this case, as you articulated, they pursued a baseless contempt resolution against the attorney general. by way of background as many of your viewers already know, the attorney general fully complied with the requests made by the congress. the department of justice produced over 90,000 pages of documents with respect to this inquiry. more by the way, chris, then the entire department of justice provided during the course of the trump administration and also produced the transcript itself of the president's conversation with the special counsel. the contextual reasons house republicans offered for purposes of the audio were clearly a smokescreen for what was a political exercise. they wanted audiotapes to use them for a campaign commercial and the attorney general cited a number of reasons why ultimately that tape could not be provided. the president invoked executive privilege and republicans in the house of course know that to be the case, but they proceeded anyway. unfortunately i think it is shameful and disgraceful and we will have to see what comes next in the clown show that they have perpetrated on the american people right now. >> you know, two things i want to note. the republican who voted against it said as a former prosecutor i cannot in good conscience support a position to score political points. the american people expect congress to work for them and solve policy problems. enough is enough. second of all i want to make sure that i have the events right. merrick garland appoints a special counsel to investigate the president. the man that he appoints is a republican who is a donald trump appointee in the justice department. this individual asks for an interview which the president voluntarily complies with i think for nine hours despite the fact that donald trump never gave an interview to robert mueller. he then uses parts of that interview to take political shots at him in the opening introduction. they release the transcript and all of this is deemed, what? partisan by the republicans? how far can you possibly go? the answer is nowhere. there is nothing you can do. >> that is the question and it is an open question. you articulated the timeline well. i would offer two amendments. one, this attorney general produced as you know the special counsel report in full, unredacted. very different compared to attorney general bill burr. i remember as we dealt with subterfuge with respect to the special counsel investigation and in this case the special counsel testified in front of my committee, as did the attorney general as recently as last week. this is a farce. house republicans know that. it is a way for them to up skate their lack of days for them to obfuscate their lack of an agenda. they prefer to spend time on these political games, which is unfortunate. >> it is not a coincidence the timing between hunter biden's 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somebody sues you and you find out the person suing you has been going on fishing trips to alaska with the judge. would you think you are getting a fair shake? that there is any possibility of justice in that situation? the answer is absolutely not. that is a profoundly corrupt court and that is what we have today. >> i think, well, i don't know what the logic is but i think republicans say this is all partisan. the reason you are doing this is because you don't like the rulings in the court, you don't like the ideology, so you are trying to attack legitimacy to a road power for purely ideological and partisan reasons. >> certainly if republicans want this court to have the force that comes with integrity and respect of the american people, then they should be the first to step forward to clean up this miss. it is in fact a miss and certainly i believe that these justices on the right who were trained and selected by the federalist society to deliver power on a plate to corporations in america, are deeply, profoundly warping the constitution. in favor of corporations and against consumers and environmental laws and many other things. this issue of accepting massive gifts from people who have issues before the court, that stands on its own. separate from any dispute one might have. >> i want to redo something that sam alito said last summer in an interview with the wall street journal to a lawyer and a writer there. he said i know this is a controversial view, but i'm willing to say it, he says. no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court, period. what do you think of that? >> it is called legislation and the constitution does give legislation power to the congress. it gives the ability to put a code of ethics on the executive branch. yes a president can veto it, but we can override that veto. certainly there was a sense of while the constitution said little about what the court system would look like, there were massive decisions made by congress to decide how the judiciary would be structured and run. so absolutely that does not pass any sort of common sense or legal examination. >> final question and quickly. on the question of having the chief justice come before the senate. he has basically blown off an inquiry from the chair of the judiciary committee who reached out to him. samuel alito has written to say i am not recusing myself. basically they are like, you are not the boss of us and we don't have to listen to anything you say. is that a tolerable equilibrium? >> it is not, because they are basically saying we have the right to be corrupt and you can't do anything about it and that deeply undermines a key institution in our country in which we need to have a sense of respect. a sense that it delivers the balls and strikes, as justice roberts once said in his confirmation hearings. right now we are getting profound conflict of interest and that is really sad to hear. chris, here is the thing. 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>> first and foremost, a ceasefire. first and foremost, a ceasefire. this is elementary. this is like when there was a ceasefire, hostages came back. now, -- they happen here and there, they are not a strategic solution to the problem of 120 people still kept in captivity. you know, during seven months of military operation israel succeeded in releasing seven hostages alive. this is, you know, a pace of one hostage a month. eight months, even. so 120 hostages would take ten years time. the hostages have no time. the sanitary conditions are nonexistent. the health is deteriorating by the day. physical and mental. and we must find a way to bring them back home as soon as possible. these are not, you know, these are not only young people, these are elderly people, grandfathers and parents and uncles and people that were taken from their beds at 7:00 a.m. on a saturday, you know, in their pajamas and barefoot sometimes, yeah. >> in the u.s., one of the things that people -- there has been kind of a joining of the notion of the war and the justness of it and doing it on behalf of the hostages. many people feel that the war is on behalf of the hostages, and people think that those, you know, who are calling for ceasefire are betraying them or forgetting about them. and you wrote this open letter that basically argued the opposite. and so for people that are -- people of good faith across the spectrum on this very contested issue, i want to hear your argument to them as a family member. >> sure, sure. first, again, a ceasefire. why? the thing that endangers the hostages the most right now, idf bombing. this has been from october 8th ongoing where my 9-year-old cousin's son was asked during an interview after he has spent 49 days in gaza captivity, he was asked what do you feel most about your grandfather still being there? without hesitation he answered the idf bombing. the idf bombing endangers the hostages, and the idf bombing, actually, we know about 14 hostages that were killed either by direct hit by the idf or, you know, as -- after an idf attack, the attackers needed to evacuate the space. they killed them, so you know, the military operation endangers the hostages. it got seven hostages out, 14, at least, dead, and this -- the whole military maneuver is not getting -- it's not for the hostages at all. it's not helping them. on the contrary, it gets them further and further away from the hostage deal, further and further away from getting united with their loved ones. because we know that the conditions for the hostage exchange or the prisoners exchange or whatever you want to call this, getting them back home is first, ceasefire. and by waging this war from day one, the israel government initiatives of this military operation is only keeping us apart, keeping us further and further apart. at the beginning it was only northern gaza, then it was rafah, and before that it was elsewhere, and we're just getting further and further apart from a solution to this problem, because the solution should start with a ceasefire. this is, you know, logical and basic. >> a spokesperson for the group of hostage, his uncle held by hamas in gaza. i can't thank you enough for making time for us. we're all thinking about you and your family. >> thank you very much. and we pray for the safe return of all of the hostages as soon as possible. this is a humanitarian issue. this is not some political issue, and people trying to make this a political issue, especially, the government trying to make this political. no, this is a humanitarian crisis. and everything should be done to get them back as soon as possible. thank you very much. >> that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> 250 days, just unbelievable this is where we are. thank you, my friend, as always. so i want to start with a story that in any other universe would have absolutely nothing to do with politics or anything even approximating controversy. the kind of news we all used to read or hear and accept. but in the post-trump era, this
on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cuban naval visit vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response the easley and you put enough today in the worst supply weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. >> then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i'm not ready to say that we'll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere. >> moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities for their the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage to use the matthew chance cnn moscow thanks to matthew tonight. >> and thanks to you, of course, as always, for being with us ac30 60 with anderson begins right now tonight on 360. what happens now that the president's son is a convicted felon and why supporters of the convicted felon who is running for president are still complaining about the criminal justice system keeping them honest. also, a cnn exclusive course award goes inside a searing detention camp. were families, vices, fighters are being held and some fear the next generation may be being born. plus we have breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking, a chase and the deadly discovery at the end of it. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep them honest with three facts about hunter biden's conviction today and wilmington, delaware on federal gun charges. the first is the human impact. it must have on a family that has certainly known tragedy, including a car crash that killed hunter biden's mom and baby sister, the death to brain cancer of his brother beau, and his own descendance itself, destruction by crack cocaine in a moment, ronald reagan's daughter, patty davis joins us to talk about her own struggles with addiction. the second fact is that despite efforts to paint his trial as a counterpart to or even the equivalent of of donald trump's new york trial. unlike the former president a hunter biden is not running for anything. the third fact is the one thing they actually do have in common in each the guilty verdict was rendered by 12 men and women who heard the evidence and seem to have set aside any preconceptions they might have had going in as one biden juror told cnn today, politics played no part in their deliberations, nor did testimony about the degree of biden's addiction, which he described as heart-wrenching. the verdict was unanimous. and just like in new york, there's every indication the criminal justice system worked and continues to beyond that, nearly everything surrounding the two trials and their aftermath is a study in contrast, starting with how egypt defendant reacted to the verdict. quoting now from hunter biden statement, thanking his wife and others. i'm more grateful today for the love and support i experiences last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am desert appointed by the outcome. he goes on to say recovery is possible by the grace of god and i am blessed to experience that give one de at a time by contrast, here are some where the former president has said after his conviction this was done by the biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent and i think it's just disgrace. but this was a rig decision right from day one, with a conflicted judge should have never been allowed to try this case, never well, he said as much over and over and so have republican lawmakers before, during and after the trial with a special focus on attacking the justice department and the criminal justice system every single person involved in this prosecution is practically a democratic political operative. >> this was not criminal justice. this was politics. >> the entire thing is political. >> it's political warfare, scam trial. >> this is a scam. it is a sham, sham of a trial sham convictions joe biden's two tier in injustice system while. keeping them on as they're talking about the justice department at which had nothing to do with the trump trial, which is currently prosecuting a democratic senator and congressmen and just oversaw the conviction of the president's only surviving son. and the president's reaction quoting him now, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process. as hunter considers an appeal, jilin, i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that he also told abc news he'd ruled out a pardon for his son let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? >> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes. >> by contrast, the former president is now talking repeatedly about using the justice department if he's reelected as a tool of vengeance i would have every right to go after them. >> and it's easy because it's joe biden and you see all the criminality, all of the money that's going into the family and in him, all of this money from china from russia, from ukraine as for republican lawmakers who decried trump's trial and conviction, consider house oversight chair james comer, who has been holding hearings and investigating the bidens for months, always claiming to have the goods, but always coming up empty he is sticking to his story, tweeting today until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence peddling schemes. >> it will be clear department officials continued to cover for the big guy, joe biden more now, on the actual verdict and the actual trial and what comes next from cnn's paula reid just 90 minutes after hunter biden's guilty verdict, cnn got incredible insight into the case from juror number ten, won big mistake from the defense, calling hunters daughter naomi, to testify. i felt i felt bad that they put naomi witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sir, dad despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors did agree that yes, he know on laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs although they all voted guilty, another juror, cnn spoke to off-camera question whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying, quote it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. pressure, inviting never really even came in to play for me, his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that's when i that's when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son's verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal, hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. in special counsel, david weiss made aware statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden's family this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction. >> his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun while it what else did did you hear from jurors understand? >> i was really interested to hear what they had to say about a possible sentencing for hunter biden then because the upper range for conviction on these offenses is potentially decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. so it's widely expected hunter biden wouldn't get anything anywhere near that. this is of course, a first-time offender, but juror number ten told us he doesn't think that hunter biden should get any prison time. another juror said that hunter needs rehab more than he needs imprisonment or a fine. and while the jury is weighing in on sentencing, it is ultimately actually for the judge should determine the sentence and we expect, while there is no sentencing date, now we expect it will be roughly 120 days after this verdict, which would fall in late. okay? tibur. so that's before election day, but likely after his next federal criminal trial, which is scheduled for early september out in los angeles i'll read thanks so much, paula, let's go next to the white house from cnn's kayla tausche with more and how the president and the first family are dealing with this moment. >> what's the reaction been from the white house for president biden? >> anderson president biden is approaching the situation first and foremost as a father in the statement released today, president biden saying, i am the president, but i'm also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction, understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery, the family greeted each other on the tarmac in delaware. this evening, hunter biden bracing members of white house staff and members of the security detail before the family then retreated to a nearby family home or they're going to be processing together what happens in the next chapter president biden has said that he will accept the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal and the biden reelection can and pain is telling allies that for them, it's going to be business as usual, the president gave a speech at a previously scheduled gun safety event after the verdict, which obviously is somewhat ironic, what did what did he say there? >> well, it was a fairly awkward confluence of events today. president biden finding out about that verdict just before this pre-planned event, where he was in this situation of a heralding a crackdown in gun violence and expected to tout a, drop in gun crime all while of these verdict had just come in, we knew that president biden was expected to announce more than 500 new charges brought by the department of justice on gun crimes in wake of his new bipartisan gun law that was passed and signed into law in 2022 instead, the president took a broader approach. instead praising the new tools prosecutors were given by that law. anderson kayla tausche, thanks, joining us now to people who've worked with and no prison biden welsh and political commentators david axelrod and keep betting field also with retard federal judge johnny jones, the third and former federal prosecutor jessica raw, third, judge. >> let me start with you. does the verdict surprise util know the verdict didn't surprise me at all. anderson, i think the evidence was overwhelming and, what i thought was notable and picking up one, your lead, which i thought was spot on in both of these cases, you had judges want to state judge and the other a federal judge saying, among other things, you must follow the law 224 americans in these two cases, you must follow the law, whether you agree with it or not, and you're not to be concerned about the sentence that i may give if the defendant is convicted, clearly, it validates our system of justice because they did exactly that. >> jessica, how about you? i mean, any surprise and what kind of grounds? for appeal may there be? yeah. so i was not surprised by the verdict as the judge said, that the evidence really did seem to be overwhelming and the charges were pretty straightforward in terms of what the jury was being asked to find. >> i think the k is also highlights the limited role that we give to juries in our system. now, they're asked to apply the laws are instructed about the law to the facts and not to render an opinion in the courtroom about whether they think this was a wise prosecution or what they think is an appropriate punishment. i mean, they're really quite limited. it's not clear to me that there are strong grounds for appeal. i mean, there is a second amendment issue on whether or not the law that makes it a crime to possess a gun. if you are addicted to drugs drugs, whether that survives the second amendment challenge under the supreme court's current jurisprudence on that. but that would really only go to one of the three charges. and so it could be that there are some issues with respect to the evidence that was admitted, but that would be subject to harmless error review maybe there's an appellate issue about whether or not he was entitled to essentially the benefit of the plea agreement that he had reached with the special counsel that previously fell apart, but i don't see those as being particularly strong in david. >> i mean, you're since the verdict the impact it would have on the biden family and the white house. >> and i obviously on the campaign trail in the days ahead of any well, yeah. >> look, i think that's the important question anderson a couple of weeks ago and trump was convicted i said that i thought that really important question was not how it would affect voters directly, but how it would affect him in his behavior. and we've seen his behavior become even more point until an angry since that conviction here this is such a devastating experience for the biden family to have gone through this week to have their families go through this people get into trouble. they go, but not under the glare of the spotlight. this and to have your dearest relatives on the stand and have to go through this has to be devastating to the present. kate would know this even more intimately than me, but i know how much this must hurt him and there must be some feeling of guilt because he is the reason there's a spotlight on the family and why they're travails are so much in the news. so the question is, how does it affect him? he's got a debate in two weeks he's dealing with multiple world issues right now and all the rigors of a campaign and how will he deal with it? i think is a big question. >> yeah. kate, we mentioned that the president promptly went to delaware to be with his son and again, the contrast between how the trump family approached the manhattan trial and how the biden family approach this trial has start how do you think this is going to impact the president? >> well, look, it is absolutely hard on him. he is a family man that you really cannot underestimate are under appreciate how close the biden family is, how much they lean on each other. i think it would be hard for any father to go through, not only the experience of this trial, of course, but obviously all that hunter is dealt with and dealing with addiction and things have happened when he was in the grip of addiction. so yes, of course it is personally hard for the president, but i would also note he's somebody who has shouldered a lot of personal tragedy and difficulty while also juggling being in public office, he lost his son, beau to brain cancer when he was vice president. obviously his as you mentioned at the top has his first wife and baby daughter were killed in a car crash just weeks after he was elected to the senate. so he has spent his entire life in public service shouldering challenges, difficulty holding his family close, but simultaneously executing the duties of the office isn't being able to put to put his work first two. so i think his resilience, i think will really be on display for people over the next few months. i think you saw a little bit today, frankly, when he was speaking at the gun safety event, he was lively. he was engaged. he was clearly talking with a lot of passion about the work he's done on gun safety and talking to them the crowd. so i think i think the american people are going to see a lot of resilience for him, but of course this is hard for him. it's hard for him and higher biden family, judge jones, what would you consider for a sentence on these convictions? and also with the idea in mind that he is facing a tax charge as well that's it potentially more worrisome for well, of course, the judge has to follow what are called the sentencing guidelines, which has my colleague knows are numbingly complicated, but the sentence needs to be sufficient, but not greater than necessary to fulfill the purposes of sentencing i think in this case, because he didn't brandished the gun, he didn't commit a crime of violence is on another crime associated with the purchase of very frankly, anderson over almost 20 years in the federal bench. i never had a stand alone case like this. this is really this actual charges or not something that's been tapped on. >> this is the pen a zebra case, if you will but i think in this case, there's a good argument for probation or with some kind of help remedial help counseling addiction treatment, and so forth. >> the real real peril comes with the tax charges because this counts as a conviction which has the it will in fact enhance any sentence that he gets if he's convicted at the tax charges. >> so there's that that's mandatory. >> that whatever the charges and this it impacts next, the get certain points for prior convictions. and then of course that case is driven in part by the amount of the tax fraud as well, which escalates the sentencing exposure. that's where he really is in jeopardy of going to prison. i don't think this case so much. >> david, what do you sitting republicans who were insisting tonight, the justice system is being weaponized again the foreign president, even though president biden's own son was just convicted in federal court and you've got to menendez case and another congressman yeah, that's really complicated for them for that reason. >> and remember, yeah, you've got senator menendez on trial right now. congressman cuellar awaiting trial right now. it just puts the light of the the idea that there's this weaponized justice department of justice department has nothing to do with the manhattan da's office, but it's also complicated for them because they have become so zealot zealous about the second amendment that they don't quite know how to talk about. this. so they're all shifting. and the thing that they're doing, anderson is this whole, the mantra and they all move as one. is this biden crime family thing because really what's at play here is they're strategy is to try and say everybody is corrupt, that everybody is swimming in the same murky waters that donald trump is no different than joe biden. and that voters should discount the fact that donald trump is a convicted felon and has some other major cases pending against him. so i think you're gonna see a lot of that. what congressman comer said today, chairman comer was really disgraceful as you pointed out he has been rolling out this cannon periodically. he lights the fuse and every time a flag comes out that says pop. and there's nothing there. and so if they've got evidence of a crime maybe they should share it with people instead of just talking about it. and i think they don't because they don't in cape person biden and the foreign president obviously have their first debate on cnn june 27th. are you concerned about trump getting under the president skin by invoking hunter biden. he obviously tried it when they debated in 2020 yeah, he tried in 2020 and it really backfired on him. i mean, i can tell you that the data that we saw on the biden campaign after that first debate, where no trump really wound up and tried to come at hunter. was that what people remembered from that debate was joe biden defending his son, talking about his love for his son relating to when people all across the country who've had dealt with family members and friends who've suffered from addiction. so it was actually a very relatable moment that really connected joe biden to people across the country. so i think 44 joe biden, he should certainly expect that donald trump is going to come at him with this on the stage. we know that trump's going to try and throw everything he can it biden to get under his skin. but we've also seen that this is a failing political argument. trump has tried to make it stick for five years. it hasn't, and it ultimately winds up being an opportunity for people to see joe biden's humanity. and that's very moving and power. >> david axelrod. thank you, judge jones. jessica roth, as well, coming up next, former first daughter, patty day hey, miss her own struggle with addiction and her 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because addiction of one form or another as part of the human condition, as are all kinds of things that sons and daughters do while struggling through addiction and the pain, all of it inflicts on families being in the public eye are being the child of public figures to add still more complications. >> my next guest, patty davis knows this well. she is, of course the daughter, of former president reagan and nancy reagan and a new york times op-ed, she writes this about the biden case. it might sound naive and the escaping le, partisan times, but it would be nice if the rest of us or even most of bus could look at how sad this story is. how a man with a loving, supportive family and every advantage and opportunity still fell into the roiling abyss of drug addiction and couldn't stop swimming around in this dark waters. petty davis writes about her own experiences in dear mom and dad, a letter about family memory and the america we once knew thank you so much for being with us. your essay. it was so lovely and to your point in the op-ed, i mean, do you think basic humanity and empathy are? possible in this hyper-partisan moment, the country is in well, i mean, on some days i think it's not possible some days i think it's extinct but i think we have to keep looking for that and we have to keep reaching for it. >> and i think even some of the comments from the jurors expressed sympathy and compassion for hunter because this is at its root. this is not this story about a hunter biden is not a political story. i don't even think really at its right. it's a crime story, even though he was convicted of some crimes but i think at its root, it is a very sad story about addiction and a disastrous choices that attics make the ripple effects of those choices in families lives and over over time, i mean, obviously this is yes, it doesn't here's the thing about about an you know, when you when you're addicted, your world is very insular. >> everything is about you and the substance that you're addicted that's that's kind of it, right and once you if you are fortunate enough to let go of that addiction and to stop using whatever substance it is, whether it's drugs or alcohol, you don't immediately change your mode of thinking. you don't immediately like break get out of that. it takes a lot of work and a lot of time and i am assuming that hunter biden is going through that. now. >> he's starting to realize the extent that his addiction had on everybody else. i think it was very poignant for him. i'm probably seeing his daughter testify in court, which has a really difficult thing to do. >> you were candid about your own struggles with addiction in your teens early 20s in the piece you wrote for the time, as you said, as the daughter of first a governor and then a president? do you know what it's like to live under a glaring, unforgiving spotlight than never dims the choices you make in your life. the mistakes, the stumbles are preserved forever and sometimes tossed out in front of you like a minefield, you have to keep crossing it's i mean, first of all, you're really a lovely writer what kind of scrutiny to you in terms of what did that scrutiny due to you in terms of drug use, what was it like living under that kind of scrutiny? >> well my drug use wasn't made public. i mean, i have made it public because i've talked about it since, but i basically i didn't get caught you know, i mean, i wrote about in this book how in my father was governor, i used to, i used to drive. are those so boarded in sacramento on this summer's? i used to drive up to folsom prison because they had a gift shop. how i found out that it keeps other calls from prison. i have no idea. >> it's not like a 70 is not like i go to google them, but i did and i used to like smoke a joint on the way for some prison, completely stone probably with other joints in my purse fortunately, they didn't search my purse, but a friend of mine when she read this story in my book said, well, were you worried that they would smell it on, you know, i never thought about that. >> so i never got caught. but the thing that follows me around, what is my activism? in the 80s when my father was president in my sort of stridency and the anti-nuclear movement. and whenever i not whenever i read something about myself, but a lot of times, if i read something about myself, it's patty davis, the rebel daughter president reagan, who protests, protested his policies and everything. it was 40 years ago that is the reality of that political spotlight, which is the harshest spotlight imaginable and unfortunately, hunter biden is going to be followed by yes for the rest of his days, it's just the way that's spotlight has a shelf life of forever. >> yeah especially now with camera phones and laptops and social media and all of it, which obviously was involved in this trial, that was not around when you were right, you were doing that? yeah yeah. you referenced in your president biden ruling out a pardon for his son, you wrote i'm quite sure it wasn't the answer. they're grieving. father wanted to give, but his sons actions and his sons illness forced him into a choice between the primal urge to protect the child and the public responsibility to uphold law that is a terrible place to be. did you ever think when your dad was present that did you ever worry about about it becoming known? or as my drink? yeah. well, i owe well, as governor, i didn't think about it because i was you know, just to strung out on drugs, i didn't think about it, frankly and by the time he was president i had stopped doing drugs but i think like i was saying that that sort of self consumed mode of thinking, i think that was still very much my mode of thinking in the 80s when my father was elected president. and because if i'd been thinking more expansively, i think i would have expressed myself differently and not as stridently. i think i probably still would have spoken out about the anti-nuclear in the anti-nuclear movement because i believed in it very strongly but i would have done it differently but i didn't i you know what i mean? >> it was still that well, i'm going to do what i want to do. yeah mentality, patty davis. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thank you let me out. >> by cnn exclusive are rare inside look at detention facilities and syria housing not only captured isis fighters wear their wives and children, one of whom tells her clarissa ward, we don't even know what we've done more this is country is corrupt. we got to save it do some terrible things for the greater good we need you built it for the soup, start rounding this up and dumping us off in cans show me that doesn't sound good. >> ashley? ashley. >> ashley shop etsy until june 16 and get up to 30% off father's day gifts to go beyond the classic go-to segall and personalized gear and other things. >> dads do when you want a one of a kind gift to shone he's number one, etsy 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to finally arrest them before possible plot could develop the arrest comes the us also tries to figure out what to do with the tens of thousands of children of suspected isis fighters coming of age in detention facilities, controlled by allies in syria, or teenage boys are separated from their mothers it's produced fears that these facilities could be raising the next generation of isis fighters. cnn's first award was granted extraordinary access aside, those camps. here's her in-depth report. >> cell phone videos of isis is brutal justice that the world hoped it would never see again. >> she, my mom amash shared for the first time with cnn these images weren't captured in rocco or mosley and 26 steam they were taken in 2022 in the al-hol camp in northern syria the sprawling dumping ground for the women and children captured after isis was defeated five years after the fall of the caliphate isis is ideology lives on here security officials warn it is a ticking time bomb ungovernable and hostile to the outside world you can see just how fast this places more than 40,000 people are living here. >> and the most dangerous part of the camp is called the annex. that's where some 6,000 foreign nationals are currently within we were granted exceptionally rare access to the annex by the us back syrian democratic forces will sdf, who control the camp? the women here hail from more than 60 different countries several raise their right index fingers for the cameras, sign of solidarity with the islamic state do you regret your decision to join isis or wash she complains that the conditions in the camp are awful. there are people in the world who will say, you went to join isis. you deserve it. you deserve it. what do you say to that normally if enemy yeah. >> women and children need the majority of alcohols residents are kids who have ended up here through no fault of their own un has called it a blight on the conscience of humanity. it is effectively a prison camp for women and children are arbitrarily and indefinitely detained should to a group stops us with a frantic plea. >> one of their sons has been arrested trying to escape the camp. >> she's asking if she can get her son back, who's in a prison he's got me for monday need that youth march. we want to just send them out so the sdf wouldn't take him. she tells us, once boys turn 12 year, they take them it is a troubling story we hear over and over again the sdf says, it is their policy to separate adolescent boys because they are being radicalized by their mothers an sdf raid earlier here this year netted this video of a training session for children inside the camp. the sdf claims young teenage boys are married off to repopulate the next generation of isis fighters they say may explain the roughly 60 births recorded here every mother this is where some of those boys end up after they are taken. >> the or cash rehabilitation center conditions here are much better than the camps, but there are only one 150 beds and they are all full shamil. >> chicago grew up in cologne, germany until his parents took the family to the isis capital rocha. a shrapnel injury to his head has left shamil confused. how old are you come home? my bot without if you don't know shamil was living in our whole camp with his mother and siblings until a few years ago when security forces came into their tent in the middle of the night in colombia enough for a man came and pulled me up and tied my hands behind my back. my mom was screaming. she said leave him alone. he tells us i didn't want to go with them. he pushed me saying, put on your shoes, but i didn't hit me islam is from dagestan, russia, and is one of the youngest boys here three to it's via mama so he's saying that he is just 12-years-old. he has been here about three or for months. he was taken from his mother he doesn't even know what his last name is human rights organizations have said the separations are on a pauling violation of international law but the sds top general must loom abdi defends the policy. >> no duck admin instead of these organizations condemning what we're doing and calling it a human rights violation. >> these organizations should give us help when it comes to our program that we have in place for years now to rehabilitate these children the part of the problem seems to be that once these young boys turn 18, there's not anywhere for them to go, particularly if they can't return to their home countries. >> and so some of them i believe are ending up in prison necessity taken when he says this is not a policy that we are following to put them in prison at 18. the reality is, the goal is to reintegrate them with society but cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. >> it is the largest concentration of isis fighters in the world. >> no journalist has been allowed inside panoramas since 2021 until now so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf what we walked through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern panorama is a prison break. of fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates managed to escape and i look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless. >> the men we see appear to be indecent physical condition but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison. >> and we are only allowed to look inside two cells you versus your where he found a british man approaches the great, but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us that's funded panorama illegal black hole, worse than guantanamo bay in an interrogation room we meet 19-year-old stephane ucc or lou from suriname. >> he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14 along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talk to a lawyer? well, i don't know about the big guys if you speak about the kids assume well, if you know the truth, we don't know even why we're always like punning just like five years in prison, i were punished we don't even know what he's done. like we've been in prison because of our clients at the sdf intelligence headquarters, we need british pakistani dr. mohammed socket, accused of joining isis. >> he claims he was the victim of an elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas, inmates are abused. >> so we live in torture i live in fear we you say you live in torture, do you mean that you are actually physically? >> ugly being tortured this happens on an off. what kind of torture like beating by the stick, by the gods to be on the side. i'm just waiting for my death there's no getting out of this prison. probably never the warden at panorama called psaki pbs claim of abuse it was false saying, quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act in this way the sdf and the us are pushing countries just to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. >> but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose can we meet brits, canadians belgians australians, and a couple of americans survive basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck here with her seven-year-old son for more than five years i have to ask you, i'm seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering their faces. you're not covered, you're wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. i would say for the first 23 years people were not accepting of it and they harassed us but they stole our stuff and i had to stay strong and show example for my son born and raised in the us, hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20 left her family and alabama to live under you're isis, a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time in prison. have you reconciled yourself without possibility? >> i always tell myself that i'm going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i'd server and come out and begin my life with my son for now. that is not an option. >> while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled holders us citizenship invalid on attacking my palette, i didn't write now, she lives in fear for her son's future what do you miss most about america i just want to breathe at moroccan era and be around people. i loved the people of america. they're very open and they're very forgiving and they're very, they're people who give second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance but second chances are hard to come by here. >> for most repentance is demanded and forgiveness rarely given. as the cost of ignoring this ugly crisis continues to mount first award joins us now, i mean, it's extraordinary to think of all these people in this limbo. you said the us government and rule the citizenship of the american woman you spoke with invalid on a technicality. what else what else do you know better situation node and what viewers authorities commented at all? >> yes. so we've reached out anderson to the state department about who does case and they said to us the department has not changed its position with regards to ms madonna's citizenship status as the state department determined in the courts agreed she is not an never was a us citizen. we also heard anderson from her lawyer who responded, if hold them, athena is not a us citizen than she is stateless. and that is a violation of international law. all the directly contradicts what the us government has stated. other countries cannot and should not do. and i should add anderson that a senior us official told us there are about a dozen americans who are still in these camps in northeastern syria. the repatriation process is not straightforward though, because many of them, unlike the coda, don't actually want to go back. we spoke to one woman who asked not to be identified. she said that she has not put her hand up yet. she is a dual national and that she doesn't feel comfortable returning to the us because she's too afraid that she might have to face time in prison. anderson, clarissa ward. >> thank you. incredible report. thank you. more. breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking in lambda and the deadly discovery after the police chase through city streets in the interests during tonight's rush hour, that in a first in nevada politics, voting isn't just being done behind curtains today now it's from behind bars will explain ahead when i was diagnosed with aids with hiv, i didn't know who i would be, but here i am being me keep being you and ask your health care provider about the number one prescribed five days chevy treatment, big turvy bits rv is a complete one pill once a day 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elana police officers desperately tried to get the bus pulled over. >> our initial call was of a gunman on on the bus that was holding hostages and possibly there had been a discharge of a weapon that was the initial nine will warn call that call disconnected, and then a short time later we received another 911 call also from the bus, and that line remained open for the entire time. >> officers tried blocking the bus in the attempt to use stop sticks, but the bus avoids early attempts to stop it. all of it through atlanta's rush hour traffic at one point, the bus almost hits this truck. it's worth around the car and then veers into traffic as drivers scrambled to get out of the way, a gunman with a gun to the head of a bus driver saying, don't stop this bus or else worst will happen. this is the type of thing that obviously no one is. i mean, it seems like the movies later the bus narrowly misses another group of cars as it drives on the left side of the road before coming to a stop on this tree-lined road, there were 17 individuals on the bus and putting the bus driver unfortunately, as the mayor has stated, one individual has died of injuries which we believe to be a gunshot wound. this is going to be a joint investigation by the atlanta police department as well. was from the georgia bureau of investigation. we currently do have in custody a 39-year-old joseph career officers from several police departments surround the bus. you can see someone coming out with their hands up before he gets on the ground. police at the ready, guns drawn with a tactical armored vehicle on the sea police find one person shot and killed anderson. >> we're also finding out the man who was arrested as a convicted felon, but i want to tell you something we were doing a news conference about that earlier shooting. and this start happening. i got a phone call from a source that was saying they could see several police cars chasing this car through the streets of atlanta. it was very harrowing. in fact, they saw officers trying to use their car to block that bus, but such a large vehicle moving through the city, it's amazing that no one else got seriously injured, even though sadly, one person did lose their life on that bus today? yes, i'm just terrifying ryan young. >> thank you. now, to exclusive new reporting voting from behind bars, a unique development in the narrowly divided state and nevada, which could determine who wins the white house in which party controls the senate or murray has more inside the largest jail in sin city. it's my first time voting. for the first time that you've ever vote in any election is when is here in the detention center? >> yeah. >> natalie inmates escorted to this holding and then a voting booth. the first one ever set up in the clark county detention center in las vegas. nor are you surprised that there was going to be a voting booth here today? >> yeah, i was surprised. yeah, it was i didn't expect to its debut just in time for primary de the result of a new law requiring improved valid access for thousands of non felons detained in nevada's jails soon after the booth opened the first voter cast her ballot. how did it feel to be able to cast your vote? >> it felt nice actually felt good for activists. shigella chambers. >> you can put that on my epa ten it's a hard-fought victory. there is a pressure for us to shine brightly on this first run. >> a felony conviction after a violent altercation during college costs, chambers his freedom and his voting rights for more than five years. >> and i feel that someone who is doing this work needs to be formerly incarcerated to engage their population now we worked for the non-profit silver state poises, running outreach to thousands of potential voters behind bars. >> one of the first bullet points on here it says why you cannot vote, okay, that's the key. >> you i cannot vote if you are serving a sentence on a felony conviction in a city or county jail, then it makes clear if you're pretrial or serving on a misdemeanor you're eligible jackpot. one of the biggest hurdles, convincing eligible incarcerated voters to cast a ballot amid polarization and misinformation, more than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match incarcerated felons. >> do you think that has an impact on even people who are eligible to vote without question, without question it took months and the threat of lawsuits for jails to get up just be we had an election happened, but no jail fully. >> what's compliant with the law facilities across the state worked with voting rights groups like the aclu and election workers to finally ensure ballot access ahead of tuesday's primary, their vote should not be any less important than the individuals that are out here. and unfortunately, they face those barriers that we were here on outside, don't even really think about those barriers. the basics for those who are behind bars postage for change of address forums. blue and black pens to fill in balance and at least in this jail a polling booth something that goes beyond what the law while requires. >> this is something that is the first for us and i think we're going to probably do it better than anybody else. we've tried to pride ourselves on that there really was no model for us to follow. we've had a couple of opportunities to make sure we get it right for the general election in november chambers hopes this is one step toward politicians actively campaigning for voters behind bars in clark county. >> you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall having their voices heard, it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little slow, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. >> so this is the first time he's running boost had been used. how did the process go? >> it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state, which is negating the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that's going to number is going to be even longer when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event coming up, anderson be interesting to do polling and see if they're running for it? >> sir, maria, thanks so much in news continues. the src
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>> steve: final hour from new york and also dallas and italy, as well. hour three starts right now. >> ainsley: a fox news alert. concerns of a terror threat crossing our southern border becoming a reality. >> steve: eight suspects were arrested after being released into the united states. go wherever you want. >> lawrence: lucas tomlinson has more on that. >> lucas: this is situation many americans feared. suspected terrorists among them. eight suspects with ties to isis entered the united states illegally and received full vetting by authorities. >> the fact these eight isis suspects got through the border is travesty. isis-k is extremely dangerous, we must be vigilant. >> lucas: the suspects are from t tajekistan. back to the tajiks in the united states, they were arrested in los angeles, new york and philadelphia in recent days. according to the "new york post," part of the investigation featured a wiretap which revealed one individual was talking about bombs, remember the boston marathon bombing, something like that might happen again or worse. same style and method as the moscow massacre. these suspects were from t tajikistan. >> steve: exactly right. lucas, thanks very much. when we heard of countries where various terrorists or suspected terrorists are from, tajikistan hasn't been on our radar. officials were able to hear somebody say something about bombs. they are cryptic about it. according to news reports two of the people snuck it were apprehended about a year ago. one of the guys who was arrested used the cbp app to apply to come into the country. >> ainsley: they were allowed to come across the border. border is a huge issue for every state, especially for texas. b brian, they let the guys in, they were in the u.s. and flagged and they started doing research and heard them talking about the bombs. you remember fbi director wray talked about this was his biggest fear. this was in june, of this year or last year? this year, i believe. >> we've seen the threat rise to a whole other level, increasingly concerning is potential for a coordinated attack here in the homeland, not unlike the isis-k attack. >> lawrence: the fbi director has been warning about this. you can't have policy based on emotion. current president turned everything off at the border and decided to let people in. the former president warned criminals would cross the border and people that had terror ties and we cannot forget in the past administration, isis was destroyed and we're talking about isis again and members crossing the border. >> brian: couple things. put down the fbi and they have done things questionable and think about their job. thousands are crossing everyday, there are countries that don't cooperate with the terror watch list. people have to track them and communicate with ice and pick them up. ice group diminished and depleted by this administration. for people that want to feel better about a terrorist attack,et s6800 have come acros california sector. texas has done an effective job. 4900 got in. people get to stay and get a hearing in 10 years. i am here to be a terrorist, we track them and we got them ahead of time. i worry about the odds catching up quickly. >> steve: border patrol agents are told, there is a list of 100 countries, if they are from that country, they can't be returned, we don't have a deal. tajikistan will say, just ltd. them in. >> ainsley: this is just eight of them that they just caught. >> lawrence: such a good point, there is a volume issue, you have so many people crossing, there is going to be people. the former president gave an interview and goes, some reports came out about known terrorists that came across during this administration. he said, it was zero, i don't even believe that, there are people that cross we don't know. there are some that are criminals or part of terrorist groups. when you have an administration that does not understand, we have ia situation like this. i thank god they found these guys and got a wiretap. what about people we don't know about. moments ago, president trump -- go ahead. brian? >> brian: go ahead. >> lawrence: moments ago -- >> brian: go ahead, you got the prompter. president biden getting set to go to g-7. >> lawrence: president biden is on his way to base andrews before heading to the g-7 summit in italy. >> steve: this overseas trip after potus made unscheduled trip to delaware yesterday, last night, to see hunter on the tarmac following hunter's conviction on three federal gun charges. >> ainsley: jacqui heinrich is live where world leaders will be meet approximating. >> protracted battle to get u.s. funding secured and idea of trump presidency ahead and groups in europe gaining support in this weekend's parliament elections. g-7 will consider tapping frozen russian assets and there are divisions between these countries. biden is pushing to use funds and the interest and europeans have been pushing to use just the interest. the president suggested headway had been discussed during his trip to normandy. >> did you discuss russian asset issue with macron and come up with an agreement how to use them? >> yes and yes. >> there are other challenges, including threat posed by artificial intelligence, that will be talked about in a special session with the pope and issues in africa and trade im imbalance in china. stronger language calling on china to stop enabling russia's war machine. >> our commitment to ukraine will continue to be right up front and clear. take bold steps to show mr. putin time is not on his side. we support ukraine's fight for freedom. >> white house is not commenting on latest ceasefire talks. officials wouldn't comment on the w"wall street journal" repot that sinwar believe this helps their cause. the president is set to arrive in italy later today and end this trip with a press conference with zelenskyy tomorrow and if you're a president who does not like taking questions, zelenskyy's presence mean he will only have to take two. >> steve: speaks of press availability, any idea why yesterday it was on the schedule, karine jean-pierre was going to brief the press at the white house. out of nowhere, they pulled the plug, what happened? >> well, you know, they have not said anything officially about why that happened. we were all watching developments in court with the case. we saw the president leave from his remarks and went directly toil withmington from there. you have seen the white house not hold briefings if the president is not in town. he was scheduled to be around. we have seen them hold briefings when he was local, not in another state. a surprise to everybody when the reshuffling happened. >> steve: sad you have to go to italy to ask him some questions. >> two. >> ainsley: a at least good food and beautiful scenery. we have been wondering why the j juneteenth concert was held a few weeks ago instead of next wednesday. abc, is reporting now the politic will go to camp david when he gets back from the g-7 to start prepping for the debate, which is the last thursday much the month. >> lawrence: watching dana perino. always measured, she was talking about the president's ability. can he do the job. she has been in the room when tough decisionings are made. this is what she had to say on "the five". watch. >> dana: father time is undefeated. what i find alarming is that there is only one person empowered in our government who can make national security decisions we need and have to be made on a trigger's notice and i do not feel watching him the last several months, in particular last three weeks, that you can have confidence that would happen. so for example, you are commander-in-chief and i say i'm chief of staff or military aide, sir, this is happening right now, what do you want us to do, are you confident that he would be able to do that? i want him to be able to do that, i feel empathy for him and i worry for him, about him. i don't want to get mad at him. i love the fact people want to helpim had. everyone has to think hard about this. >> lawrence: many people in the media ask the same question with donald trump in the last presidency. should we question his mental f fitness and there wasn't a special counsel saying he wasn't fit to stand trial. why can't we ask that about joe biden when there are so many obvious signs of him not being the same biden. >> brian: two weeks, we will have a debate, my hope is they don't do to joe biden what they were doing with donna brazille did giving clinton the questions. and they don't spend the whole time on january 6. you can't hide from it. as jon stewart said, we keep hearing how crisp and how strong he is behind the scenes, can we see that guy? sooner or later, we'll see if that guy exists. then there is january -- june 11th. couple of campaign cycles ago, big question, is this person ready to take the 2:00 a.m. or 3:00 a.m. phone call. to dana's point, he's lost a step, a bunch of steps. that is something people are talking about. you are down at a place called k kubie's at schneider plaza. the own er does a lot of bake know on, it has to be killing him. >> brian: yep. john cubie, round of applause for the guy that put this place together. how many generations? >> i'm first generation, my dad's family started in 1728. my son is 15th generation. >> brian: marvelous combination of restaurant and supermarket, how has it affected you and your prices? >> food cost has gone up, you have to pass it on to some extent, you can't overprice. >> brian: do you lose business? >> of course you lose business, mar margin goes down. >> brian: when people say bidenomics is working, look at the numbers, what do you say? >> no, no, it is not working. >> brian: your place is packed, because of us or packed everyday? >> we have a loyal customer base. >> brian: see what a great place this is. round of applause for yourself, getting up early for us. you have a breakfast crowd and lunch crowd, right? this makes this place great, it is supermarket. come in, shop and eat. what do we gotz? >> this is our market, it has been an evolution. it started there and my dad made his own sausage and cold cuts, we grew and opened a restaurants. cold cut, cheese, famous pimento cheese we make ourselves. pro produce section. groceries in the middle. >> brian: how much are eggs in dallas? >> $7 for cage free eggs. >> brian: taking your word on that, we have no footage. you have a supermarket, deli section. >> we make salad inhouse, bring in cold cuts, make sausage, have a full service meat market. >> brian: pictures of the local community. >> my son is there, who works with me. >> brian: he will take over next. >> he is. >> brian: does he know it? >> he is. he is the boss. >> brian: how do you feel about being the next generation? >> -- >> brian: he knows where he's getting his summer job each and every year. thanks for having us. congratulations on this. your final thought about the economy, if we could change one thing, what would it be? >> change the president. >> brian: see if that changes economic principleses. will cain just came into the building. we'll bounce back and forth and see what everybody thinks from the dallas perspective. >> steve: get a taste of the chicken salad, it is really good. i know you like chicken salad. >> brian: they gave me a pound to go home with, it is in the re refrigerator. >> steve: thanks. >> ainsley: another big story this morning, greatest of all time will not be on stage for annual nathan's hot dog eating contest for 4th of july. joey chestnut posting this after being banned from the event on coney island saying fans will be deprived of the entertainment of the holiday. it comes because of his deal with impossible foods which required him to eat their meatless hot dogs, a competitor of nathan's. >> lawrence: i don't understand what he was thinking. we sign with the network and decide to wear the banner of another network, you can't do that. >> ainsley: you have to eat nathan's hot dog when eat ing te in the contest. >> steve: i've never had the impossible hot dog, it is veggie. >> ainsley: it is plant based. could be great. >> lawrence: it goes against the idea of the contest. it is street food, meat, disgusting. >> ainsley: i agree. we are veganizing it or plant-basing it, i understand trying to appease everyone. they should get their own hot dog eating contest. >> ainsley: they offered him a lot of money and said, we will pay you this amount of money. he should have thought, it is nathan's hot dog eating contest, he should have asked them. i'm sure he signed a contract and it usually says you can't go to a competitor. >> steve: he has won 16 times, he's already greatest of all time by a longshot, maybe this was a business decision. i could win again or make a lot of money and probably providing for his family. >> lawrence: you should finish on top. it is like michael jordan, you sign with the bulls, you stay on top. you don't go sign with the lakers and destroy your legacy and i think that is what he just did. he has a chance to undo this. >> ainsley: they said if we can come to a resolution, he is welcome to participate in the contest. >> steve: i like your comment about the bulls, beef, it comes back to beef. they got a beef with veggie dogs. >> lawrence: full of puns today. progressive act vivist defendin her decision to secretly record supreme court justices. nothing illegal about recording people, please tell me how we'll get answers when supreme court is sclhrouded in legacy. >> lawrence: wow, she's bold. >> steve: trey gowdy. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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>> trey: oh, for sure. thing about judges, they speak through opinions. i am at the age in life where my friends are older than yours. some are judges, they have personal beliefs. we pick them to be judges because we expect them to separate their personal beliefs. you may remember dianne feinstein quiz zing supreme cout justice that barrett could not separate from her writings. she's been able to do that. here are two conservative justices saying conservative things. john roberts showed more character in his answer than this reporter did in her conduct. >> lawrence: i listened to the answers and they did not say anything wrong, nothing breaking news, they did not violent the law or say it will impact their judicial decisions. i think they left the conversation looking better. what say you? >> trey: i do, too. here, news flash, two conservative justices that have conservative religious views said conservative things. if that is newsworthy, i heard two courteous men, here is the chilling effect, i don't think they will talk to anyone going forward they don't have pre-existing relationship with. she hasun radioed it for people that would love to have the opportunity to talk to judges. >> lawrence: good point. we rarely hear from them anyway, she ruined it for all of us. trey gowdy, thank you. always fair. don't move, brian is live from the lone star state with a special guest, i think you know him, his name is will cain. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue... and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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[applause] >> brian: will cain, well supported. every stat thats people of texas care about immigration of the border, a national problem. they may cross in texas, it becomes a national problem. >> will: it is an international problem. i point this out. the european union across entire co continent from italy to germany, swung right because of immigration. muslim countries over there. and changing the culture and laws, changing crime stats. they said enough. that played a role in 2016. explain donald trump in 2016 in part, immigration, it will play a role in 2024. especially i want to call it insane, it is predictable. we've been saying this is going to happen. >> brian: we used to have a handle on it, we left afghanistan in an ill-planned exits and because of that little insight to the terror side. you are professional, texas, diner goer and reporter. let's go talk to the people. >> will: go talk to my people. >> brian: they are more fascinating, let's do it. you go right, i go left. this is your home game. >> will: you put me on the spot, where is my camera. bring it in. brandon, let's go, brandon, last name fox. what are you thinking about at your age of the state of the country? >> main thing i'm thinking about is the economy, i just graduated from school here in texas, you are looking on and getting ready to start life. more important is safety of our country and reminding each other values we are built on. >> will: how old are you? >> 22 years old. >> will: they like that. >> brian: female perspective from mary. what is your number one concern? >> you know, i'm raising two young kids and it is so important, safety aspect. we don't know who is coming across everyday. safety of border is number one, education number two. i'm actively involved in pta, and things we've unearthed in curriculum mandated is shocking and needs to change. >> brian: that is disturbing, more with will cain, toss to you. >> will: couple of guys, this is gabe terrell, terrell construction. cranes going up downtown. dallas has been insulated, everything is moving here. it is hard, inflation, interest rates, this area is place you want to be in the united states. >> absolutely, will, a lot of construction projects going on, great area to be in. >> brian: how hard to build will's mansion and how many cranes did will need? 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here to react is former white house senior counsel, kellyanne conway. good morning. we are seeing video of join base andrews, about to head to italy. there are reports he will go to camp david and hunker down and stay there 10 days while he does debate prep. the debate is two weeks from tomorrow. does he need that much time? >> kellyanne: he does need that much time. hillary clinton all but disa disappeared during debate time. donald trump stayed on the campaign trail. i think that benefited him enormously, if you over prepare, then you sound contrived and in the case of joe biden, you lie. news of the day out of the delaware trial, we have department of justice that conf confirmed hunter biden's lapd is real. hunter biden is guilty of three felonies in delaware and the biden family is connected through the laptop, hauling in money from chinese infrastructure company from hunter. why is this important? it was debate stage where biden lied to the american people in 2020 and said he never discussed business with his son and 51 intelligence officials claimed the laptop was russian disinformation. i think biden preparing is one thing. i wonder what is going to happen with him medically for 10 days, we have no hard evidence joe biden can stand intimidated by donald trump for 90 minutes without a teleprompter. >> ainsley: paul riyn versus joe biden, he sounds differently, he is understandably has more energy and paul ryun said, i've known biden, he's aged quickly. the guy i debated 12 years ago is not the same guy we have today. what do you expect out of the debate and how is president trump preparing? >> kellyanne: president trump will review policies. look at polling coming out of pennsylvania. pennsylvania and americans think americans were better off under the trump presidency than biden. why is this important? a lot of questions being asked in polls are questions that will be asked in it is debate. if president trump gives everybody a bin ary choice and reviews economy, crime, quality of well, everyday affordability, border security, economic security, fair ness. one piece of advice to president trump is, let biden speak. numbers seem to numb his brain and if you let biden speak, his lack of ability and truthfulness will be on full display and un undergerred what is believed already, biden is not up to the job. >> ainsley: we talked about virginia, joe biden won that state by 10 points and now they are neck and neck. in minnin m, new poll shows trump within striking distance of biden. republican has not won there since nixon, that was 1972. >> kellyanne: minnesota and washington, d.c., only states walter mondale carried in ronald reagan's landsliez reelection victory. trump is expanding victory, minnesota, virginia, possible hamilt new hampshire. name one county where joe biden is trying to expand their map. one thing in all the polls, trump is doing well, each in the states among african americans, and young people. joe biden is bleeding voters, i don't think debate prep will help with that. >> ainsley: we're watching this live video, he is off to g-7 after this. thank you so much, kellyanne. great to see you. they play hard ball on capitol hill and they are bringing that same energy to nationals park, previewing congressional baseball game. let's check in with dana perino. >> dana: after tonight, i know what danea reads sports will be about. what we know about eight illegal migrants and where they are now, and andrew cuomo grilled and nicole malliotakis is not satisfied and will join us. and how a recovering addict reviews the hunter verdict. tune in at 9:00. targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. can neuriva support your brain health? 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"america's newsroom" starts now. >> bill: good morning. so two weeks and two trips to europe. president biden heading to italy for a g7 summit. yesterday around this time he met with his son, hunter, after his felony gun charge conviction
threat. but moscow has been signaling displeasure that washington recently green light getting ukrainian attacks on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cube and naval visit, vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response. >> easley, and you put it today in the west lai weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i'm not ready to say that we'll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. >> russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities or the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage to use the matthew chance cnn moscow. >> thanks so much for joining us. the situation room begins now happening. >> now, breaking news, hunter biden's historic guilty verdict on three felony gun charges, becoming the first child hello, to the sitting us president to face conviction. we're getting new reaction from the defense team, the special counsel, the first family, and the trump campaign plus new tails, new details are emerging from donald trump's probation interview that could weigh on judge juan merchan, sentencing decision. what trump told me officials about a firearm. he didn't turn over to police after his indictment. and what that means potentially now that he's a convicted felon also tonight secret audio recordings to taken by liberal activist are raising new questions about the neutrality of the us supreme court. justice samuel alito's comment it's about religion, are raising eyebrows. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm willing or a year in the situation room the skis, cnn breaking news the breaking news tonight, that president biden in delaware right now after a jury convicted his son, hunter biden on federal gun charges, are chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid has the latest developments of the conclusion of this historic trip president joe biden, son hunter, left federal court in wilmington, delaware today, a convicted felon, a jury of six men and six women, took less than three hours to find him guilty on three counts related to a 2018 gun purchase a few jurors spoke to cnn after court adjourned. one question, whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars, but another juror told cnn that this was a legitimate pursuit. i mean, do you think that this was a legitimate use of taxpayer resources to bring this case? >> yes. >> i do believe it, despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors. did agree that yes, he know and laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. those are inviting never really even came in to play for me. his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that's when i that's when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. >> president biden released a statement after his son's verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. special counsel, david weiss made a rare statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden's this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction this conviction comes to the possibility of a decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. >> but that is the upper range of sentencing possibilities. it's widely expected here that hunter biden would face something far less. one of the jurors that we spoke with today said he doesn't believe that hunter biden should go to jail at all but the decision ultimately rests with the judge and we'll find out what she decides. we're back here likely in october for sentencing. there is no date set at this point, but is expected that it will happen before election day. >> wolf ball arena, delaware for us. thank you very much. i want to go to the white house right now. that's where cnn's kayla tausche is standing by. taylor what more can you tell us about how president biden is handling this conviction? >> well, well, if we can say that president biden is handling this emotionally and with his family i'm late in-person, although the biden family has in the past sought privacy during events related to hunter's legal battles. but today, choosing a very republic show of support at the delaware air national guard, where you saw president biden hugging hunter, hugging his wife, melissa biden, and giving a kiss on the head to bone let's his toddler son to hunter and waleses toddler son, beau before hunter greeted the secret service members and many white house staff members before getting into his his own car. and leaving that scene. but this of course comes as president biden is seeking to wear two hats, one of both dad and president. and in that role president earlier in the day, he delivered remarks at a gun safety event everytown for gun safety is gun sense university where he was talking about all of the new the protections put in place by a bipartisan gun law that he and members of congress and promoted back in 2022 following the uvalde school shooting. and he was expected to announce a high volume of doj prosecution's on new gun crimes under that law, totaling more than 500. that statistic appeared in a doj press release but it did not appear in the president's remarks, the white house, when asked about why not they chose instead to point to the overarching message that president biden delivered. there. now as for what happens next, president biden has already been asked about the powers of clemency that he possesses as president and whether he would seek a pardon for his son he has said had no here's how that response came in will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. >> and have you ruled pulled out a pardon for your son? >> yes. >> you have he was not asked about a potential commutation of a potential sentence, but the sentencing is currently expected to take place in the weeks before the election. >> wealth. >> kayla tausche at the white house for us, kayla, thank you. i want to dig deeper right now with our legal and political experts of course, khardori or former federal prosecutor, i'll start with you. what do you make of this fascinate the fascinating information we've learned at least so far from jurors about how they reached this guilty verdict. >> well, it may think it's a testament to their honesty that the president's status as our commander-in-chief apparently did not weigh into there deliberations in any serious way. i do share the view of one of the jurors who described this as a potential waste of taxpayer money but nevertheless, that juror voted to convict hunter biden, understanding evidently that it's not that person's decision to decide whether or not the case should have been brought, but it was brought the judge the evidence and reach the conclusion that i think was largely unavoidable. >> jamal, let me get your thoughts and your mouth. simmons is with us. hunter biden, of course, is not a candidate. he's just the president's son. >> so what do you think the actual political impact of this conviction could be? i don't think there's going to be that great, but political impact, most people are not going to be swayed by this because most people have had some experience with their lives as the tragedy of addiction and gone down the road of what happens if people in their families who are addicted. so on one hand, you've got the president signs and who is an addict? two substances on the other hand, you've got a former president who has been convicted of 34 counts of hiding hush money payments to as pornstar mistress to keep her from going public during the midst of a presidential campaign. they're not the same thing. i think most voters know that alyssa farah griffin is also with us. alyssa, i want you in our viewers to listen to the house speaker mike johnson's reaction earlier today to this verdict. listen to this mr. speaker, you've been saying two-tiered system of justice for some time. here's the president sayyed being convicted on three counts as that undercut your client it doesn't every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case and the trump trials and all the charges that have and brought against couldn't have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden is a separate instance does this verdict elicit take the steam out of the republicans baseless claims about the weaponization of the us justice department of course, while it absolutely undercut said just taking a step back, we're in uncharted territory here were the same department of justice that indicted donald trump in the mar-a-lago documents case. and in the january 6 case, also just convicted the sitting president, son of a crime through a jury this is anything underscores that our justice system works without fear or favor despite the imperfections of it, it is something that works to be objective and i think it dramatically undermines this claim that it's a weaponized system. if you're an undecided voter, who'd wasn't really sure what to make of the trump conviction. you her on the one side, on the right, that this was a weapon and on the left that no. a jury of his peers found him guilty. you're seeing this and i think you're saying, oh, wait, the system does seem to work regardless of who's who the name of the person that is on trial on kirsha, you were in the courtroom. my for much of this trial, hunters, sentencing, as we know, will likely take place in the fall before the election how much time, if any, is he realistically, realistically looking at? and does he have a chance on appeal? >> look, i would think he would be looking realistically at potentially months in prison if the prosecutors decide to seek a prison term and the judge is seriously considering it that would be consistent with sort of a first-time offender in this space. i'm sure he will be arguing for a probation and he would have a good claim to probation given his history in and the uniqueness of this prosecution. but i think at the sort of the extreme he would looking at months, not not multiple years in terms of its appeal prospects. look, i do think he has a colorable appeal here based on his argument that the second amendment basically renders this prosecution unconstitutional and a prohibition it's not generally speaking, then as applied to him, unconstitutional. i have no idea how that issue will be resolved, but the supreme court has issued some very pro-gun rulings in this area. and if you were to follow the logic of the bruin decision to a t, there is a pretty good argument here that the laws under which biden was convicted are also unconstitutional as applied to him under the second amendment two, very interesting jamal or the timing of the verdict and eight, created a rather bizarre optics situation with the president biden delivering a previously scheduled speech, speech about gun safety. what just hours after his son was convicted on felony gun charges? the white house also later canceled the daily press briefing. is this a bad look for the administration? what do you think it's a bad day for the administration, but more importantly, it's a bad day for the president and for his son, but it's a bad day in a personal way, not really one about the administration and its policies. >> the president's policies aren't guns had been clear for a long time. he passed the assault weapons ban. but i just wanna go back to something we were at a minute ago with alyssa can you imagine a world where obama prosecutor, when after don junior, ivanka trump, while barak, while while donald trump was president he allowed that prosecutor to go after them, indict them, see them commit, can see them convicted, and then said he would not he would not pardon them. i can't imagine that world we all know. that's probably not the case. donald trump would i think we just lost, we just lost. that has a commitment to the rule of law that we just have never seen before. >> guard jamal standby, alyssa, the trump campaign statement reads in part, and i'm quoting now, we read it this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. is this verdict something the trump campaign can seize on politically? what do you think? >> so i actually see this totally different than jamal does. i actually think this could be a boon for biden. it's certainly doesn't help trump. and i think this sort of this statement afterwards spoke to the fact that if anything, it proves this point that the system is not weaponized, that donald trump's own conviction was legitimate 52% of americans approve of the conviction as many is 16% approve of the trump conviction so when you start dealing in those realities, electorally, knowing donald trump's name is on the ballot, not hunter biden's. i think they're realizing that this might undercut his biggest vulnerability, which is the fact that he is the first convicted felon to be running for president then all right. >> good. point to all of you. thank you very, very much. just ahead. >> we're getting new developments that are coming in right now. >> donald trump's life as a convicted felon, including an effort defined in season outstanding firearm register to the former president. we have details on what we're learning that's coming up plus secret records go public amendment we're of the us supreme court and his wife coming under scrutiny right now for new comments. stay with us. you're in the situation room this election season, stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. and the best political team in the business follow the voters, follow the results, follow the facts follow. cnn how could anyone possibly know that every single one of these pistachios is guaranteed to be wonderful by reading, right here. wonderful pistachios are the pistachios that are wonderful. but the word wonderful on them organic soil from 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to address that. now what that means technically is that since his conviction on felony charges in new york state on may 30, donald trump has been a felon in possession of a firearm now you don't have to have that firearm on you. it just has to be somewhere where you have what they call constructive possession, where you have access to it, whether it's locked away or not. but that would be a serious violation of not just a us federal law but also florida state law for a convicted felon now, let's set that aside for a minute authority say this is a complicated defendant he lives a complicated existence. he doesn't carry weapons, he's guarded by secret service but this is a detail that they want to resolve and make sure that that gun is accounted for all right. >> good reporting. thanks very much, john, for that report. let's discuss this and get some analysis from former federal prosecutor, at least adamson and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey alise, could trump's admission that he still holding onto this gun impact potentially his sentencing. it's coming up. what july 11, how soon does he have to turn this gun? >> well, that's a good question. well, if i think technically he should have already turned this gun in as was just reported donald trump was convicted of a felony. and so at this time, he would be considered a felon in possession of the firearm. now, new york has a very clear road map to how defendant needs to surrender their firearms post-conviction, it's a little bit different when we're talking about federally or other jurisdictions, when the conviction happened elsewhere however the by the letter of the law, once he is convicted, he can no longer be in possession. so it is odd to me at todd blanche would have sat there as he made this admission and not thought of this before the interview, we need more information when he says it's in florida, is it it is house. did he surrender it? where is it but assuming argue window, it's in mar-a-lago. that's a potential problem now, directly to your question as to whether or not it will impact sentencing. again, it's the facts and circumstances is the former president holding onto the firearm and just refusing to relinquish it. i think that would be a data point. the judge were merchan will take into consideration. but is this really just a case of figuring out how to surrender it or is he in the process of transferring ownership? all of those details will matter. come sentencing de chief ramsey, as you know, in new york officials said this information will be passed along to florida police to quote, and i'm quoting now, take whatever steps are necessary if trump doesn't voluntarily return his gun what authorities do you believe have to step in well, you know, i think not at this has come to light that they'll work toward getting that gun. >> he's not supposed to be in possession of the gun. he is a convicted felon. but this is a situation where, you know, he's really living in two different places. i mean, he spends a lot of time in new york also in florida. the one gun is in florida now he had two others that he surrendered last year shortly after he was indicted so he's already given up two of the guns. this is the one that's outstanding i really find it hard to believe that they would not make every effort to try to turn that in as soon as possible, or leases trump potentially at risk of being criminally charged for illegally possessing a firearm yeah. >> so i don't think he is now, again technically, could they charged him perhaps if the circumstances are correct, if it is in mar-a-lago, if it is within his constructive possession, then yes. it's a very serious charge. they could charge him federally i just looked into it prior prior to speaking with you, it carries a term of a potential ten years in prison of slightly old statistic, but from 2021, the united states sentencing commission said 96.9% of defendants charged with that crime. were, were sentenced to prison. so very, very serious, risky, which is why i don't know why todd blanche would have not made sure that the gun was surrendered to authorities prior to the psi, but very unlikely because he's still in between the conviction and sentencing. and there isn't a clear legal requirement of when and how he surrenders the gun in florida. >> chief ramsey, your the former police chief here in washington, dc. former police commissioner in philadelphia, is trump getting more leeway, right now or is it standard for convicted felons to take time? to return their guns well, is that standard for convicted felons to take time to turn in a gun i'm not aware of that occurring with any degree of frequency, but i do think that they will make some allowances to give him an opportunity to turn to gun in i'd be surprised if that doesn't happen now, he is guarded as john miller said, by secret service 24 hours a day, seven days a week, he has a nice guy. >> he's got, but earth of his life, he'll have that kind of protection. and so there's a lot going on. this is unprecedented. we've never had a homer president convicted of anything and so now this is just one of those things. it's very serious. i'm not trying to make light of it, but i would doubt very seriously if this is going to be something that's going to go beyond a day or two before that gun is located, turned in chief ramsey. thanks very much. at least adamson. thanks to you as well. just ahead, the us supreme court back in the spotlight today. here, what two justices are heard saying in secret recordings. i'm controversial topics the most anticipated moment of dyslexia and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage two very different visions for america's future that cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine life, i'd cnn and streaming on max reading that and yeah, that's not good happen huge things happen happens be there with three, learn more at rnc.com 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earth would liev schreiber, sunday at night on cnn the secret recordings taken by a liberal activist are raising new questions about the impartiality of the us supreme court as it grapples with declining trust from the american public. >> those tapes obtained by rolling stone magazine captured us supreme court justices are weighing in on political matters cnn's jessica schneider has more tonight, no comment from the supreme court after two of its most senior justices and one of their spouses are heard on secret recordings discussing sensitive topics people in this country we're leaving embedded, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bodley names. i agree with you justice samuel alito speaking to lauren windsor during a dinner last week, hosted by the supreme court historical society windsor, a liberal activist posing as a devout catholic when talking with the justice, where he also addresses the current the polarization of the country that we can go the polar if i it is a matter of like winning. >> i think you're probably right now one side or the other, one side or the other i don't know i mean, there can be a way of working our way of living together, please it's different because there are differences fundamental things that really can't it's not like what the difference. this society condemned the secret recordings, saying attendees are advised not to discuss anything from the event windsor defended her actions today in an interview with cnn there's nothing illegal in dc about recording people so long as one person is a party to that conversation to people who want to pearl-clutchers about this yeah. >> please tell me how we're going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever cnn has not independently obtained or heard the recordings in full, but they come after recent an ethics concerns involving the court, including controversial flags flown at homes of justice alito, flags at the justice said, were put up by his wife martha-ann alito, also heard on the audio where she addressed the flag controversy head-on you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus glad because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. >> and he's like please don't put up a flag. i said i won't do it because i'm deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i'm putting it up and i'm going to send them a message every day, maybe every week. i'll be changing the flags. >> windsor also secretly recorded chief justice john roberts, who rebuffed her when she made a case for a more christian society we live in a christian nation and they are supreme court. so be guided know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim hello, friends who would say maybe not. and it's not our job to do that job, the decide cases, especially and so far no comment on these secret recordings from the supreme court or from the job justices are from justice alito's wife. >> now the supreme court historical society, they hosted this dinner where the recordings were made. this is a yearly event and it's held inside in the court building. were members of the society are allowed to buy tickets for themselves. and one guest. and then of course, the gathering provides members this rare access to the justices as we saw in these secret recordings, wolf, it'll be interesting to see if any of their rules change after this secret recording. >> yes, it will. let's see if that happens. jessica schneider. thank you very much. i want to discuss this with our cnn legal analyst, steve vladeck. he's a professor at the university texas school of law. steve, do you see these comments from justice alito specifically as inappropriate? and is it reasonable to question his impartiality wolfe, i think what i'm struck by in those recordings is the contrast between justice alito who, you know, for better, for worse, took the bait and who had no problem expressing views on subjects that you probably shouldn't have versus what we heard from chief justice roberts, which is basically what they teach in judge school, ought to be the answer when judges are asked to weigh in on contemporary political debates so i think justice alito is remarks are probably right up, if not over the line, wolf, the problem is putting them in context where this is not a one-off, where we're seeing so many examples of justice alito saying things like this in public suggested that he has very strong political views now he's having a hard time checking those at the door. >> well, if i think it's the aggregation of all of these public statements by justice alito. that's really the source of the cause for concern. >> because you know steve, this is the second controversy involving a martha-ann alito ginni thomas, also has faced questions about her political activities. so how does that impact perceptions of the us supreme court? >> yeah. i mean, i think there's no question that it has some bearing on public perception of the court. i mean, we really ought not to be judged by the actions of our spouses that certainly my wife's position about me but i do think it's worth stressing that the real question here is not can justice x participate in case why? the real question is, are the justices behaving in a way that is enhanced in public faith in the integrity of the court as an institution or not. and so for as much as justice alito has tried to suggest that the entire flag controversy are basically his wife's fault. i think his responses have not suggested that he is especially concerned about the message that the flag sent. his responses at the supreme court historical society suggest that he's not particularly concerned about being publicly associated with deeply, intensely divisive political comments and so wolfe, i think again, the question is whether if you look at this as a whole, there's reason to worry, not about individual justices in individual cases, but about whether there are justices on the supreme court who really do cede part of their job as picking a side and who are caring about when winning versus what we heard from chief justice this is robert, which is their job is to basically toe the line politically and decide the cases before them. >> we don't expect the justices to be saints, but we do expect them to at least appear publicly as if they are completely uninvestigated. >> and i think that's the concern that all of this behavior by justice alito by justice thomas, by their spouses is really brings us back to steve vladeck. thanks for your legal analysis. appreciate it very much. coming up newly on earth messages from the leader of hamas reportedly showing my, he thinks deaths of palestinians will help the terror groups war with israel will have a live report from the region just ahead june 19th, cnn celebrate juneteenth with special performances by john legend how do you 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are now expected as an effort to set piece into motion. i don't think anyone other than the hamas leadership in gaza actually are the ones who can make make decisions that's what we're waiting. secretory state antony blinken, who's traveling in the region, said that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment to the current deal on the table that was detailed in speech 11 days ago by president biden the pressure now increasingly on one man alone who started this war and could end it. yahya sinwar, the military leader of hamas. >> sinwar helped mastermind the horrific october 7 attacks and is suspected be hiding out in the tunnels under gaza exactly where is unknown our frehse reports out today from the wall street journal details messages between sinwar and hamas officials participating in the ceasefire talks in doha. >> the exchanges show that the terrorist leader thinks he may have the upper hand in the current negotiations. quote, we have the israelis, right where we want them. sinwar allegedly said in recent messages, these stunning messages which cnn cannot independently verify, reveal his frame of mind as this war drags into its ninth month with the palestinian death toll climbing sinwar row quote, these are necessary sacrifices, and this is why us officials believe sinwar has had little incentive to broker a deal, not only with israel refuse to stop fighting, but the pressure we'll continue to mount on israel daily, which sinwar believes is to his benefit the israeli military responded to these messages saying, quote, hamas leaders don't care about gazans. how many times did they have to say it for themselves before the world believes them? and as blinken continues to push for a deal that could eventually end the war, he took game let's sinwar, are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe varied i don't know ten stories underground somewhere in gaza. >> while the people but he purports to represent continue to suffer in a crossfire of his own making or will he do what's necessary to actually move this to a better place? >> now the early response from israel, wolf is not setting a tone of positive momentum here according to cnn contributor barak ravid and israeli official characterize that response coming from hamas as a rejection of the hostage deal that was put on the table according to another source hamas put forth multiple proposed amendments, including a timeline for a permanent ceasefire and complete israeli fully withdrawal from gaza. of course, it making it clear that that permanent ceasefire, which israel has resisted coming to any agreement that it would lock it into a permanent ceasefire remains a sticking 0.2 farro, we'll see what the secretary of state says on this as the us has not given its evaluation yet, well critically sensitive moment right now, kylie atwood in amman, jordan for us thank you very much coming up. the us attorney general, merrick garland, response directly to house 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approach come with some risks i think guesses growling attorney general garland is a patriot i mean, he was a judge. >> he's devoted his life to public service. he started out at the justice department. he's standing up for the civil servants. most of the people at the justice department are not political appointees. and he's saying, let's administer the rule of law fairly. don't attack them on another issue of hunter biden's felony gun conviction today, you sit on the house oversight committee shortly after the verdict, your committee chairman james comer, said, and i'm quoting him now until the department of justice investigates, everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence, peddling schemes. >> it will be clear department carpenter officials continue to cover for the big guy, joe biden. how do you respond to the committee chairman it said that he's politicizing this look, the verdict is very sad. >> under biden faced addiction, he overcame addiction and the president has said that he respects the process, but this had nothing to do. with what comer is investigation was about that covered no wrongdoing. and i think most americans will say, we know someone who suffered addiction. we understand that and it's just a sad situation. >> you think hunter biden's conviction, congressman, will have any political impact on the president no. >> other than showing the american people that a, he follows the rule of law. you haven't heard him criticized the judge. you haven't heard him criticize the jury and be his loving father, and that he really cares respects then myers, a son who's overcome addiction, went through incredible grief at the loss of his brother and he's a decent father. >> let me quickly turned while i have you congressmen to the israel-hamas war the us back ceasefire plan appears to be in turmoil right now, is mediators are parsing through hamas is response and push for prime minister netanyahu to publicly sign-on what we're leverage does the us have to get each side closer to accepting a deal? >> well, the united states i think has laid out a very reasonable pragmatic position on a permanent ceasefire, one that i wholeheartedly support. i hope hamas, accepts it even if sin, sinwar is an accepting and maybe the other hamas leadership will accept it. it's going to save pelosi allies and i hope netanyahu accepts it because it is the only way to get the hostages out. and it's the only way to start to bring peace in that region and have new governance and palestine with the saudis, uae, jordan, and egypt. the president has been right and putting this fall forward and i hope secretary blinken will prevail on both hamas and israel we shall see congressman ro khanna. >> thank you so much for joining us and we'll be right back. >> alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised, secrets and spies. >> a nuclear games sunday at ten on cnn. >> you give, and you give. now you 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travis kelce, and the attention of the former president of the united states in november interview for an upcoming book, excerpts of which are published in variety. donald trump was asked his thoughts about pop superstar taylor swift trump gushed saying quote, i think she's beautiful, very beautiful. i find her very beautiful trump then digressed saying, i think she's liberal. she probably doesn't like trump, but then he went back to talking about swift's appearance, quote, i think she's very beautiful, actually unusually beautiful. >> these are very donald trump quo, you know, he obviously he doesn't know much about taylor swift. so it's easy for him just to turn and look at her looks and comment on what she looks like one democratic strategist says, this could be a case of trump trying to get on the good side of the wildly popular singer. i think that he doesn't want to accept this 50s. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties, this comes as many in the political sphere are wondering, will swift endorsed joe biden as she did in 2024 years, analysts say swift was reluctant to get into polish her dad was really scared for her to step into the political arena because we know that comes with a lot of backlash no matter which sayyed your on in 2018, swift finally jumped in endorsing to democratic congressional candidates in tennessee, where she owns property hoping that i know is right. and you hey guys i need to be on the right side of history in a netflix documentary about her swift is captured in an argument with her father about getting involved in politics. she was critical of republican marsha blackburn, who ended up winning that senate race in tennessee she votes against against fair pay for women. she votes against the re-authorization of the violence against women act, which is just basically protecting us for domestic abuse. using stocking stocking, political analysts say both trump and biden need to cultivate the taylor swift voting demographic. >> this is one of the more popular entertainers musicians, and the world right now and it comes at a time where both candidates are also fighting for that younger vote for the younger generation some trump's supporters may already be skeptical of taylor swift and her politics in january pro-trump broadcasters and politicians put out conspiracy theories implying that the nfl had rig games and favor of the kansas city chiefs to promote swift and travis kelce and give them a platform to endorse president biden, none of which, of course, was even remotely close to being true wealth. how instrumental has taylor swift been in getting out the vote? >> this is why the biden and trump campaigns both want her on their side, wolf last year in september, she put out a message on instagram asking young people to register to vote according to tracking agencies. as a result of that in just one day, about 35,000 people registered to vote. that's how much sway she has especially among younger voters, turn biden both desperate for that demographic. vy
you have donald trump who takes and weaponize is the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign of political intimidation in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. that at the core is part of the stakes of our democracy that are before us today. once rule of law goes out the window, it's not something that is easy to get back. it's very much a part of the decision we have to make in the next few months. >> thank you for all your time tonight. that's all in on this tuesday night . night . tuesday night. good evening, alex. >> we have some new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren windsor has given us and we'll be playing that in the hour so stay tuned. will. >> like i said exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that's what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bombshell reportings that were released poyesterday, and you'l definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you've been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, how they camehi to mingle behind closed doors, well, the answer to that begins almost ten years ago to this day, when the supreme court handed down a major decision. >> supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today's victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claimed that providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obamacare would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. the court called the ruling startling. >> the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice amsl alito, and it was one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. now, in the wake of the dobbs decision ten years later hobby lobby seems like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. in novemberys 2022 "the new yor times" offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years before the court heard the case, conservative christians have been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court'sth conservative justice. the effort was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank, who woulder recruit christian couples, who he called stealth missionaries, to gain access to theto judges and to impress upo themes the importance of conservative christian values. here's how "the new york times" described one of their strategies. reverend schenk gave his stealth missionary close instruction. the justice were more likely to let their guard down at the supreme court historical society's annual dinners because they were sure they'd be properly vetted. see a justice, boldly approach, he told the couples. if given the opportunity bear witness to biblical truth but don't push it, he said. your presence alone at had historical society h events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices -- christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. according to "the times" reporting some " of schenk's stt missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife, marketa anne, that they obtainea advanced notice of the court's hobby lobby decision before the camebb out. that breach, that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down roe eight yearswn later. and that specific strategy of using the supreme court's annual society historic dinners as a way tost gain access to supreme court justices, well, it turns out that, too, is velerant again just this week. it's a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a non-profit dedicated to preserving the court's history, and in ouexchange for their mon, those donors get to rub shoulders with some of the justice and their spouses. as it turns out, conservatives weren't the only ones in on this tidy little arrangement. last week progressive activist lauren winder who happens to be a member of the historic society bought a ticket for the event. when she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor, attending the event with her husband. ms. windsor approached some of the supreme court justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. nbc news has not heard the full tape of what was recorded so we cannot say for full certain if edits were made if any were actually made. tonight we have some brand new audio from that event to play for you. and when you hear these new tapes, you will hear something familiar to what was on the tapes released yesterday. a justice, in this case justice alito, who is aggrieved and frustrated, who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all those things in front of a total stranger. remember what we heard yesterday. >> as a catholic and as someone who, like, really cherishes my faith, i just don't -- i don't know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that, like, needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it'sti a matter of like, winning. >> i think you're probably right. on one side or the other -- one side or the other is going to win.oi i don't know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can't be compromised. they really can't be compromised, so it's not like you're going tomi split the difference. >> and that's what i'm saying. it's just, i think that the solution really is, like, winning the moral argument. like people in the country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that to return our country tot a place of godline. >> i agree with you. i agree with you. >> remember at this closed door cocktail party ms. winder was also able to get justice alito's wife, martha anne, to justify flying the two flags in front of their homes. these recordings this week would seem to suggest mrs. alito has no shame about what she be been doing here, in fact quite the opposite. she made clear these flags she flieshe are explicitly her formf resistance and response. >> you know what i want?at i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag next month. >> exactly. >> and he's like oh, please don't put up a flag, and i said i won't do it because i'm deferring to you. but when you're free of this nonsense, i'm putting it up. i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag, it's white and it's yellow and orange flames aroundd it, and in the middle the word vergonia. vergonia in italian means shame. >> just to be clear justice alito hasr publicly stated his wife did not fly these flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group, but it seems quite clear from that clip haze wife very much sees this flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. perhaps most concerning in these recordings, though, is martha-ann alito's five year plan for revenge. >> there's a five year defamation statute of limitations. >> i don't know what you mean by them. >> the media. >> martha-ann alito says she has a plan to get back at the media by suing for defamation and she thinks she'll have an opportunity to do that in the next five years when she's free of all this nonsense? is she telling all of us here about justice alit opg's retirement plans? and how concerned should we be a supreme court justice's spouse is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight we have brand new audio from that same event where justice alito himself thinks what he thinks about the fourth estate, the press. the other voice you'll hear on this tape is an associate of lauren windsor's who was also as this event. >> i justis wanted to ask you w do you think the supreme court is so -- is being so attacked and being soso targeted by the media? >> well, i think it's a simple reason. theyle don't like our decisions and they don't like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that areom coming up. that's the beginning and the end of it, and there are -- there are groupst, that are very well-funded by ideological groups that haveic spearheaded these attacks. that's what it is. >> like who? >> propublica. propublica, gets a lot of -- you know, gets a lot of money. and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas, for example. but they -- you know, they look for any little thing they can find, and they try to make something out of it. >> nbc news reached out for comment from both samuel alito and his wife martha-ann alito but we've not heard back. lauren, thank you for being here. i knowk r you've had a busy weo far. we're so appreciative of all that you've said thus far and all that you have toou share wi us tonight. let me first start with the new sound your organization or your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new -- this new tape that strike me as concerning. the first is justice samuel alito saying that the media is attacking him because the media doesn't like how they anticipate the court has decided -- decided cases and may decide upcoming cases. was that a window into what may be coming down the pike in the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? >>te i mean i definitely interpreted it as being a harbinger for bad thing tuesday come. >> did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and thenou specifically citing propublica, for example, on their extensive investigative reporting about clarence thomas alito is reading -- that these stories are very much beingor shared behind closed dos at the supreme court? i mean his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. >> oh, it's very high. and he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023, but it was much more pronounced this year in the two conversations that both ali and i had with him. >> i k we talk about the context here? the fact is you and your colleague both had conversations with the alitos. for those of us who haven't been to the supreme court historical society events, is this what happens at, them? we now have two bombshell reports about conversations, advocacy campaigns happening between attendees andpp justices on the supreme court. >> it's interesting. i actually read that initial report in the "the new york times" about reverend schenk, and that's part of what played into my going in the first place, but i didn't read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas. andngcl it's interesting that justice alito wants to rail about theha money taken by propublica for investigating, you know, public servants why clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars in gifts from gop donors, and i have no idea what propublica's finances are, but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas has taken probably rivals the budget of propublica in any given year. >> yeah, i mean it's such a good point. what did you hear in alito's sort of explanation for that? did you hear -- it almost seems as if there's certainly no contrition, but there's notce en ant acknowledgement that there was any wrongdoing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservativepe donors. >> i mean, you know, it's not verbatim but it's almost verbatim. making something out of any little thing -- i don't understand any little thing to be, you know, buying my mother's house or paying for my nephew's tuition or getting a free rv loan. and these are all things that he's accepted from gop donors. so it would be a much different story if this was just about vacations he was taking with harlan crow and his wife and family. most people would write it off as, oh, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that's that big of a deal, but that's not actually what we're talkingot about with clarence thomas, is it? >> no, it's other order of magnitude we've seen and it's been going on for years. you just a random member of the historical society is able to get even within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and then grow him into conversation about some of the most incendiary topics of this country, which is the c partisan divide. how did it actually unfold when you were in the room with the justice? >> so it should be stated that in the guidance for the event thate historical society says you broach topics gnat are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out. so there was definitely a deliberative process in how do i approach someone in that -- you know, not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion, the height of, you know, judgments, right, this is the highest court in the land. this ishe aou supreme court jus, so i definitely went into this assuming i was not going to get anything newsworthy. in 2023 i did not get anything newsworthy, but i thought, you know, throughout the year that transpired, the media scrutiny on justice alito has intensified so much, and his grievance level is probably so much more peaked that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he didn't show up in 2023, by the way, that justice alito would probably attend anyway even though he was undergoing this very intense media glare, and sure enough he was there. and i think it was just something that -- i can't say what was in his mind, so i don't know if in 2023 he had the same level of grievance and, you know, it changed over the coursg of the year. >> sure. >> there's a couple options there. you know, did it changeorally was it always there and he just felt more comfortable? >> was it hard to get him to talk? >> at the very end of this conversation he says are you a lawyer? i think he's talking toou ali, yourki colleague. i'mle not sure if it's you or h, but it's not as if you offered any biographical information other than you had a husband who's in the room. and i wondered how you got that piece of information. did you go up to him and start talking tort him? >> so the reason why i brought up my husband is that in 2023 i came with a male friend, so the context of it was we had a conversation after dinner in 2023 my male friend was with me, he was not with me in 2024, so when i saw justice alito solo it was one-on-one, it was, hi there, my husband really wants to let you know that we're rooting for you, you know, that you really have all the grit. and the reason why i said you have all the grit if it doesn't stick out tot people, this is because donald trump had tweeted something out about how there should be more justices like samuel alito with the grit that samuel alito has. and so i felt like it was kind of a flag, if you will to alito, that it was -- >> a safe space for him. >> a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him very coyly without saying trump because itit goes back to the w to broach a conversation with someone who has the highest level of discretion, you can't talk about partisanis politics. if i had walked up to him and started t talking about joe bid or donald trump, he would have shutdown. so talking about polarization was really a -- a way into the conversation that wasn't aggressive but also t indicativ of what he's really trying to get at, which is he acting on bias? and ie really do believe that e american peopleo deserve to kn is the supreme court so compromised that we do not really have impartiality, the bedrock of our judicial system. i think hearing it from his mouth that he cannot be impartial,nn that there are this that cannot be compromised. that needs to be fuel to tell us, look, what is it that can be compromised? >> you brought us into an environment and these tapes are regulatory and coming at a time of crisis for this court. it is -- we're not done having this conversation. thank you for bringing some of that conversation to our air. we're really appreciative. thanks for spending some time with me tonight, lauren windsor. >> thank you, alex. coming up this hour we have new details about trump's presentencing meeting with his probationth officer. turns out he is being treated differently, just maybeea not i the way he'd like you to believe. but first hunterto biden joined donald trump in becoming a convicted felon facing possible jail time. does that mean the system is now unrigged? we'll get into n the republican response coming up next. get int response coming up next. president biden's son, hunter biden was found guilty today on three federal gun charges. you may think the maga conspiracy about president biden rigging the justice system, maybe you thought that's going to collapse. it did not. >> today is the first step for delivering accountability for the biden crime family. >> you've been saying two tier system of justice, and here is the president's son being convicted. >> it doesn't. every case is different, and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. >> do you think the department of justice is still weaponized against conservatives even though we still see this verdict here today? >> absolutely. when they tell there are school moms they're domestic terrorists because they don't like what's being taught in their classrooms and others things we can go into it but -- >> we can go into it, but we won't. a trump's campaign statement said hunter biden's trial nothing but a distraction of the real crimes of the biden crime family. republican james comer said the work will not be done until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the biden's corrupt influence peddling schemes. >> this conviction is apparently a distraction from the real crimes of it biden crime family. is that strategy going to work? >> today's conviction was awkward. it was awkward for the talk this was all rigged, the biden justice department is rigged only against republicans, but we live in a world in which the reality and the facts have a hard time catching up with the spin. and you can see how deeply invested the republicans are about talking about the biden crime family. so it's not a shock they're going to continue to repeat those talking points over and over again, but i do think the contrast and reaction to the conviction of donald trump and the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. and, again, it's always difficult to know how it's going to play out. we may see this at the debate. i know the biden folks think this is going to come up at the debate. again, democrats have been making this point and the media have been making the point that, you know, there are a number of democrats who are facing indictments under -- under the biden justice department, not just the president's own son by a democratic senator, senator menendez, henry quer down in texas. if the system is so rigged, how do they explain that and the answer is they don't feel the need to explain at all, they're just going to go with the spin. >> when you talk about a reaction this was the statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week i am the president but i'm also a dad. squill and i love our son and we're so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle adekz understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said last week i'll respect the outcome of this case and continue to respect the judicial process as hunter continues to appeal. jill and i will always lead our family with our love and support. nothing will change that. that a strong statement, a tough statement for a father to make, and i feel that undercuts whatever the republican argument is here about biden rigging the system among the voters that will actually matter this next election. >> well, there are three things there. number one, the conviction of hunter biden shows the system is not rigged. it also shows this is the way the rule of law looks. and president biden has also said -- you know, has said on the record he'll not use his pardon power if -- to free his son if hunter biden gets a prison sentence. and some people were skeptical about that, but i don't think there's any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum that donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury that was presented with all this evidence. the point you're making is who is this for right? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear, but that is not the group of voters who will be deciding this election. >> and i think embedded in biden's statement is a call to empathy, right, for those who have fallen, for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through, you know, a dark, dark period versus trump who is all grievance all the time. and, you know, i think we think -- we don't know a lot about where this country is headed, but really appealing to people's sense of forgiveness and empathy doesn't seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. i don't know, am i being too soft here? >> no. and again, it's a very interesting contrast. if trump's super power and his shamelessness, his refusal to ever take responsibility or apologize, joe biden's super power and his empathy. and again, republicans aren't going to give him any credit for it, but i do think there are a lot of americans who are going to say this a tragic situations. there are questions about the hunter biden judgment and his behavior, but also what you're seeing from joe biden is this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and i think there will be a sliver of the electorate, a crucial sliver going to look at that and say we understand that seems human to us, that seems like something we can identify with and admire as opposed to the constant conspiracy theories and the victim card playing and the really vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. >> yeah, it's a real choice ahead, and this is going to be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. charlie sykes, thank you again for your time, my friend. it's great to see you. >> thank you. still to come this evening we have some new reporting about what 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criminal defense attorney. duncan, thanks for joining me to make sense of this madness here. first the circumstances of this probation interview. they sound relatively easy, maybe even cushy, but donald trump says everything is rigged against him. who's right? >> this is something that is so routine, it typically takes hours. and to the extent there's been things that have been different for him, they've only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person. it is a drab office. these things take hours. there are courts probation interviewed that took half an hour. this is the opportunity to ask on sentencing that don't come out in the trial. this is defendant so well vetted, but for most defendants the judge doesn't have a sense who they are as a person, what their family situation is, what their immigration status is. are they using drugs, who are they covorting with? so a lot of people know this about donald trump. you could say, well, half an hour maybe all you need, but the fact is this it is them doing their due diligence. to the extent it's all zoom, the extent it's rigged or different, it's only been in his favor. >> the only piece of this he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the d.a.'s side of a man named matthew colangelo. they've used him to be the missing link between joe biden, the puppeteer of the justice department and alvin bragg who sought criminal charges against donald trump. this is how trump talked about michael. >> colangelo is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state working for litigious james and was then put into the district attorney's office to run the trial against trump. >> we'll take issue with the put into passive in that statement, but you have gone between the doj and the d.a.'s office so you know what it's like i guess to be a plant. first of all, is that a normal thing that happens, and how in line with reality is this argument? >> yeah, and this is something that's also being ginned up on capitol hill a lot. and in a letter just today the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. this is an attempt to undermine law enforcement and to sow distrust of the public and law enforcement function. first off manhattan d.a.'s office and doj work together every single time. there are joint task forces on terrorism, on hate crimes. there are joint task forces that looks banks file of suspicious activity reports, and joint cases such as standard charter and ing and barclays. there are cases every day deconflicted between the department of justice. on the manhattan d.a.'s office they don't arrest the same person or step on other's toes. robert, the most famous manhattan d.a. who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010 prior to becoming elected as the manhattan d.a. was the united states attorney for the southern district of new york. >> so he was an obama plant. >> exactly. a stooge for the administration. >> this is all coming to a head on july 11th when there is the sentencing hearing for trump. and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is and whether there's anything to be done around the cries of foul play and a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what trump is sentenced to. >> it's just such a hard decision for judge merchan, and you wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy. that being said it's a tough decision for him to make. the prosecution is definitely going to be asking for jail time. the it was is going to be asking for a sentence of the conditional discharge thing. there's going to be outcry on both sides no matter what it is. this is something a very difficult decision and i don't know there's any way through the political thicket of it other than to say this is judge who's really been around the block and he's going to be taking this seriously and fairly, and i think you'll see a sentence free of some of those political consideration, and it may be down the middle, but i think both sides will be able to make like a rorschach test, if you will, and they'll be able to argue around it, whatever it is. >> you're not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be. i would never put you on the spot for that, duncan. but for all the cry we've seen thus far it seems it's only going to increase heading up to july 11th. thank you for being here. it's helping us all through this. coming up trump appointee aileen cannon tosses out trump's appointment in the classified documents case, but first some orwellian messaging being broadcast from your local news station. that's next. broadcast from yours station. that's next. oooh! i can't wait for this family getaway! shingles doesn't care. shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. ahhh, there's nothing like a day out with friends. that's nice, but shingles doesn't care! 99% of adults 50 years or older already have the virus that causes shingles inside them, and it can reactivate at any time. a 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to strike one incident from special counsel jack smith's indictment. the paragraph describing after he left the presidency trump allegedly showed a classified map of a foreign country to the representative of a political action committee while saying that an ongoing military operation in that country was not going well. trump allegedly admitted at the time he shouldn't be showing the map to someone without security clearance and told the person not to-look too closely at it. while the incident illustrates how allegedly cav clear trump was with classified information, prosecutors never charged trump with crimes involving sharing classified information, and now the judge has struck it from the indictment. joining me now is bradley moss, a national security attorney who routine lee represents federal officials and members of the military in matters pertaining to classified documents. bradley, how big of a deal is it for prosecutors that this map incident has been struck from the indictment? >> it's certainly not a critical factor. all this means is it's not sitting in what is otherwise known as a speaking indictment. it is still information that prosecutors can bring out at trial and almost certainly will litigate to ensure they can bring it out as sort of the evidence of a prior bad act strictly in the context of mr. trump's the intent, his motive, his desire, his willingness to conceal this information, that he knew he had these records, he knew he had classified documents. he knew he wasn't authorized to have them, and he was retaining them at mar-a-lago. this was a very minor victory for mr. trump, otherwise the motion was dismissed -- i'm sorry, denied by judge cannon. the issue, of course, is that it took so long. this could have been resolved weeks ago. it never need today have taken this long. >> if it's not a significant win for trump is it indicative, though, of a broader tension between the special counsel's office and this judge? because throughout this case, and it seems like it's ratcheted up in recent months, there's maybe not a volley because it seems like it's coming from one side. the judge does not seem happy with jack smith or his team. >> yes, certainly the tensions continue to boil, and they've reached the point that in a hearing just a few weeks ago it got to prosecutors were so upset and frustrated with their attempts to try to explain to judge cannon their view on the case law and how certain legal precedents applied, that the judge had to basically counsel them to calm down. none of us where there, i don't know how badly that got out of hand. but it's never a good sign if you're a lawyer if the judge is telling you to calm down. let's be honest where this is going. judge cannon for whatever reason has chosen to take a slow and methodical approach here. she hasn't granted donald trump anything of substance, but because of how she's dragged it out and how the classified portions of in particular are taking forever, this is guaranteed it never see the light of day, will never get to trial before people go to voting booth in november. >> that seems a guarantee. there's an open question whether we'll see the trial period but that's going to depend on politics. trump filed another motion today. this one says the fbi destroyed exculpatory evidence but not describing what the classified material was in proximity to nonclassified material and trump argued he didn't pack the boxes, he didn't know what was in there. how substantive is this? does it matter? >> i think it's a delay tactic at best they might get an evidentiary hearing. they want to have an evidentiary hearing to probe into huthis was conducted, how the boxes were organized this way, whether or not there's something to their allegations of bias and improperly storage. on the merits, it's garbage. it has nothing to do with terms of spoilation of evidence or obstruction of evidence, and it doesn't absolve trump of the idea he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022 when he turned stuff over to the archives and they told him, hey, there's classified documents in this stuff. he knew he had them over the course of the next year talking to his lawyers and they told him to turn them over. he knew it when the fbi told him we keep finding stuff in the stuff you're turning over. it will in the way judge cannon handles things drag it out just a little bit more. >> a grand jury indictment came down on june 8, 2023. anyone's guess whether we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> have a good night. that is our show for this evening. 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hypersonic missiles it is when those modern russian navy ships that vladimir putin has in his navy and is at this moment bring havana harbor, one of four of these ships, including nuclear-powered submarine that is expected to arrive today in cuba, arrived in the next few hours into havana harbor. you see it just coming up behind that statue there as it makes its way into the port of havana. and there are russian ships, russian naval ships that come to cuba over the years. i don't remember what a convoy as large as this, a convoy that has the latest weaponry that vladimir putin to has at his disposal. so while it may not be a direct threat to the united states, it is very symbolic because vladimir putin has been talking recently about how if the us will deploy weaponry his borders. he could do the same to dus certainly. meaning countries like cuba or venezuela. the cuban armed forces that can government have said that they, these ships are not carrying any nuclear warheads that they're not a threat. this is a friendly visit, but we all know the history. >> of course, it's only 60 years ago that of course, we're rushing water heads up based in cuba. >> no one expects that to happen now, but certainly this is a message that behind me right now, this morning you have russian warships coming into havana harbor. some of the most modern, the vladimir putin has. you couldn't have expected, couldn't ask for a more quad profile visit in this limits taking place right behind right behind me as we speak yeah. >> it's wild to see it right over your shoulder, patrick, it's so great to have you there and it's great to see you as always. thank you so much. a new rmc and a new central starts now president biden on his way to approve, she'll overseas trip we are standing by at joint base andrews where for the first time it is possible he could speak on the criminal conviction of his son, hunter. >> confusion over the status of khan hostage and ceasefire talks in the middle east as a barrage of missiles is fired into israel, we are expecting to hear from secretary of state antony blinken shortly today, a vote that could change the future of the country's largest protestant denomination sarah signer is out, i'm john berman with kate bolduan and this is cnn news central president biden. >> it will be making his way for italy where he will be attending the high stakes meetings of the g7 summit. biden heading up first from delaware, where he was spending time with his family hey, after his son hunter was convicted just yesterday on federal gun charges, that guilty verdict is one of many things you could expect is on the president's fine as he is heading off to meet with world leaders, which huge issues on their agenda the israel-hamas war, supporting let me a huge loan for ukraine and also the impact in future of ai for these major economies, among many other topics, another interesting fact, five of these eight liters that will be meeting in italy are all facing serious election challengers. joe biden included, cnn's priscilla alvarez, nic robertson, joining us with both on this. priscilla what is on the mind and the mission of president biden today okay. >> as you just mentioned elections in the united states and around the world could really change the geopolitics. and that is it's top of mind for president biden, just as it was last week. and this time around, donald trump's shadow will loom large over this g7 summit and some similar ways that it did when the president was commemorating d-day in france last week, the president is going to be arriving three years almost two the de, of when he attended the g7 summit in his first term. and at that time, us official said that the president was met with world leaders with relief and enthusiasm that he had won the election. and this is going to be part of what is part of the president's argument moving forward because the us is trying to strengthen its alliance and reaffirm its leaves your ship on the world stage and it becomes quite clear when we're talking about ukraine that has been top of mind for the president last week, including this week and that is something that it's going to be discussed among the leaders because there is, as the president says, the need to preserve democracies around the world. and that is clearest with ukraine. now, we know that the united states is pushing for a $50 $50,000,000,000 loan to ukraine using frozen russian assets. so the aid will be something again, top of mind as the president publicly apologize and a rare move last week to the ukrainian president because aid had been stalled, given what had occurred in congress. so all of this is expected to come up. the president and ukrainian president zelenskyy are going to participate in a news conference, but of course, this is not the only thing happening around the world. you have this situation in the middle east, climate change china combating their influence around around the world. and of course, ai. so all of that is on the agenda for the president to discuss with world leaders. pope francis also will be there to talk about ai. so the president meeting with all of them over the three-day visit to italy priscilla, thank you so much, nick. you're in italy take us into that agenda. those agenda items and what's at stake for all of these world leaders yeah, one of the big issues for the italian prime minister giorgia meloni, who's hosting this event is of course, the massive amount of migration immigrants that have arrived in italy over the last several years. >> and one of the ways that the g7 nations have typically try to address this in the past is looking at development projects and sub-saharan africa. so the first issue on the agenda will be africa, will be development as well as the climate because of course, the changing climate is a driver for people to leave their homes where the economies are becoming less stable and move. in many cases out of africa towards europe. so that will be a big issue. and of course, migration a familiar issue for president biden, but the context in europe is a little different. there will be on the second day, a specific agenda item of migration. the second item, ukraine, that funding of ukraine through a $50 $50,000,000,000 loan to be financed from frozen russian assets. there are technical details here about how do you do it. do you sort of push it all off on the eu to help underwrite it. they have collected budget about one point 2 $2 trillion there are about $300 billion of frozen assets. how do you really finance it? united states looks like it's going to shoulder some of that some of that burden along with the european union to underwrite it, if you will not, to put forward the money itself it's great to see your neck and so great to have you there for these meetings, priscilla. thank you so much. much more to come on this jaume. this morning. 200 missiles fired into israel how, how will that impact 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what is happening with the ceasefire and hostage negotiations in the middle east. and israeli official described the hamas response to the most recent proposal as a rejection, but a diplomatic source tells cnn that hamas is neither accepted nor rejected it. let's get right to cnn's oren liebermann live in tel aviv with the latest. so where do things stand as we're waiting on us secretary of state john, this will be an incredibly important statement from secretary of state antony blinken because it will give us the us perspective and whether blinken sees a path forward here, that is what we need to hear as well as from the countries. how do they view the boss response? president joe biden put forward a us back proposal 13 days ago hamas finally responded yesterday according to a source familiar with the talks, they offered some amendments to the proposal israel, according to an israeli official view that as a rejection of the proposal, but it's unclear how blinken the country's the egyptians, the crucial negotiators here view that and whether there's a path forward, that is what we hope to to learn, or whether once again, this entire effort has fallen apart when it comes down to the details as it has so many times before. meanwhile, in the midst of this blinken diplomatic flurry throughout the region, the un has issued a report of the first months of the war the most in-depth investigation carried out by the the un commission of inquiry to this point. and it concludes that both israel and palestinian militant groups, including hamas, have committed war crimes and violated national humanitarian law at the beginning of the war, the investigation looks at october 7 to december 31st, the end of last year. so the first two-and-a-half months and in it, the un concludes the both israel and palestinian militant groups carried out acts of torture committed sexual violence and intentionally attacks civilians. the findings are based on interviews with witnesses, victims media reports, as well as open in source material that they were able to verify. >> perhaps not surprisingly, the hamas portion of the investigation focused on october 7, and that is where the un found that hamas intentionally targeted civilians, carried out acts of murder and torture, outrageous upon personal dignity, dignity, and taking hostages, including children. >> now it has to be noted that the un found that israel has in systemic and widespread way targeted civilians in its campaign in gaza. and it's bombardment of gaza. israel did not cooperate with the report and dismissed it or rejected it earlier. today as anti-israel discrimination coming from the un. john in oren, it's been an intense several hours between israel and hezbollah inside lebanon over israel's northern border. what hundreds of missiles fired into thrill approximately 200 rockets at this point, this is some of the most intense fighting we have seen across that border. and sometimes it gets even close to this level, the fear of course, is even further escalation in a region that has already seen escalation question over the course of the past couple of weeks. so last night the idf says it carried out a strike in southern lebanon that took out a hamas hezbollah commander. abu tallied in response, we are seeing this barrage for some 200 rockets that have sparked fires in northern israel enforced evacuations. the fear here is a further escalation can open up another front in the war. and that's exactly what we're watching right now. and to see where this goes from here, john wright, oren liebermann for us in tel aviv, a lot going on this morning or i thank you very much for that new information about the man accused of hijacking a plus and killing a passenger while leading police, police on a chase in rush hour traffic and the reaction for right-wing media has been noticeably different to hunter biden's guilty verdict compared to a another recent try i voted buttons dragging my remote kid. 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all sort of cover up for larger crimes. and that's what you saw, don junior are pointing to, but i want to start with that. this was a good trial, quite a different reaction from this right-wing media sphere to what we saw in reaction to the trump trial, which was also guilty verdicts also brought by a jury of their peers, but just take a listen here. this is fox news host janine, period. the difference between how she reacted to the trump trial to how she reacted to the verdict yesterday? >> this is a new error in america, and i think it goes against the elc of who we are as americans and our faith in the criminal justice system this will be very difficult to get a reverse alon. >> it was handled by judge noriega, who is an experienced judge who didn't play any games. she was as fair to the defense as she was to the prosecution so quite a different sort of tone there over the exact same verdict from a jury of their peers. but then you go into further into the right-wing media sphere and you get something else, you get what they say is essentially a larger conspiracy theory, even though this was a guilty verdict. here is right-wing talk show host early kirk in a tweet, he says, hunter biden, guilty. jan, the true crimes of the biden crime family remain untouched. this is a fake trial trying to make the justice system appear balanced, don't fall for it. this is also something that donald trump campaign tout. it's pushing the conspiracy theory that president biden has taken money from foreign governments and that this whole trial was just to try to cover up for it, tried to give something to take away from what they say is a larger, unfounded conspiracy theory in this sunday of that donald trump junior also spouting in a live conversation on x saying it's not even close to justice, saying it's trying to create the illusion of equal justice under the law. and this goes to show you how the far fringes of the protein trump media world. they have drifted into just sort of automatic conspiracy theories that the default is a conspiracy theory when the do's does not justify their point of view that image of hitting the automatic conspiracy theory button is stuck in my head right now hadassah it's good to see you. thank you so much, jaume. >> with me now, democratic strategists, former senior adviser to bernie sanders 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns. chuck raja and former trump administration official, matt mauer in gentlemen, what's so interesting here, there was a piece and politico this morning in their playbook where you had both democrats and republicans saying the quiet part out loud when it comes to the hunter biden trial in mat, i want to go to you first with jason wrote like a republican strategist two does real republican campaign says, quote, it throws a bit of sand in the gears of people's suggesting the biden department of justice has been engineered to go after trump. we have this. i think we're going to graph pick it up one feature of the modern republican party is ignoring facts that don't support the argument in sometimes embracing the conspiracy theories that do what about that? >> although it can be, i know we just played the two clips from fox news, but i imagined if i wasn't watching msnbc last night because of course i was watching cnn. but if we had, i got to match them just noticeably more quiet than it would've been two weeks ago after the conviction, new york. and so look, both sides are going to play the politics it's the way they feel they need to on this. clearly the trump campaign's going to try to highlight the inadequacy they felt in their case and downplay what happened yesterday, the same way you're hearing pretty much silence outside of a pretty basic statement out from the white house yesterday about hunter biden's conviction yesterday here's the truth of it. all this race between donald trump and joe biden right now. so static that both of these have had relatively little impact on the actual results of any poll right now, this election at the end of the de is gonna be decided by a very, very, very narrow set of swing voters. and those swing voters are likely going to say the talks and all their houses, they've already disapproval, both candidates, this just adds to that fire are going to ultimately vote on what they believe is in the best interests for them and their families in november. and i think the first campaign to recognize that and grab onto that is likely going to be the candidate that wins in november i will say the reaction for most democrats has been respect the rule of law and to the trump verdict, it was respect the rule of law. and with republicans, the response to the trump verdict was outraged and the response to that hunter biden verdict is conspiracy. there is a vast difference here in those reactions. i do want to ask you, chuck joe crowley, if former congressman from new york, it as far as making a statement, democrats saying the quiet part out loud says, quote, it's the silver lining. they weren't looking for maybe suggesting in some ways this helps president biden in his reelection i think that it's distinguishable because the younger biden is not the president. >> and so what you get to see is joe biden be a caring father for a son who had a substance abuse program who was in one of those who i think gets sympathy, people always run to their corners on the right or the left and that tried a small group of folks would decide the outcome. but when you can personalize the president, whose demagogue on the right all the time because of his age or anything else they can find and he can become more human as a political consultant who runs campaigns every single day those are the little moments i'm looking for when a president can be more human and not just this thing that we see on the news all day long or i want to get your reaction to something that paul i think we have the paul ryan sound all so do we have paul ryan talking on fox? >> we don't have paul ryan. well, paul ryan, the former speaker of the house, went on fox news, matt yesterday and said the types of things that paul ryan has really said, frankly, since 2020, he said that donald trump isn't fit to be president. and he said it right on fox news for many conservative viewers to hear this upset i should say, supporters of donald trump, including congressmen troy nehls, listen to what he said paul ryan, you're a piece of garbage. >> you're a piece of garbage. and we should kick you out of the party for paul ryan to say he's not vote for donald trump. that's the problem with some of our republicans. its guys like that. don't go spout in your mouth often, same euro conservative. your spit in the face of the leader of our party, donald trump. i'm grow up a little bit doesn't really sound like big ten. they're mad no. >> i mean, look, if you you mentioned that this foot paul ryan been saying since 2020, that's been made, been saying it publicly since 2020, but it's essentially what he's been saying even privately since 2016. and there's been a literal books written on on that, so i don't think this really comes as much of a surprise to anyone. there are certainly going to be a sliver of the party which is going to say they're knocking support donald trump as the nominee. and what's going to be interesting by nicely looking at polling every single day what i'm looking for is, which can't is going to be able to hold onto the larger share of their own party, going november, it's amazing, despite talks like this, despite discussions at division and the republican party, despite high profile republicans saying they want support doctrine, he still maintains actually much stronger course of work from registered republican voters than joe biden does from democratic voters. and that just gets the core of one, the bigger political challenges for the white house right now now is that it's upwards of over 20% of their core based right now, it's saying they may not support joe biden or donald trump is holding almost anywhere between 85 to 90% of his own party right now. so despite paul ryan basically saying ways been saying for almost a decade now, not much has changed that i'll trump's still as of today as a stronger fold on the republic welcome party than joe biden does on the democratic party. and that's why you're seeing in the head impulse right now? >> yeah. chuck, what about matt's point there? paul ryan saying what he says, who does that actually convince well i would push back on that just a little bit. >> we've had elections last night in ohio and every tuesday we've had an election and all these states were republican primary motors got to pick on who they wanted and about 80% have picked trump to his point but 20% of pick nikki haley, who ain't even running for president no more. so i wouldn't say he's got that consolidated. we got our own problems with democrats but our base is pretty secure with joe biden's one has been getting about 90 or 95% and what do you see for paul ryan represents a lot of common sense economic driven republicans in the suburb who were sick and tired. of donald trump. >> there was a primary internationally, a special election in ohio yesterday, ohio's sixth congressional district in a district any trump won by like 29 points where the heavily finance republican candidate, one. but by around ten points or even a little bit less, any source of concern there, matt no. >> i mean, look, yeah, you're seeing a bit of a juxtaposition compared to special elections almost ten years ago, republicans traditionally have had habitual voters on their side, older voters, voters with college degrees. lately, those are two groups have been shifting to democratic party while the republican party is doing much better with voters without college degrees and even younger voters who are much harder to turn out in a special election scenario like we saw in ohio yesterday. i think you're going to see likely a republican carry that district again by 20 plus points in the november general election. it is an interesting dichotomy though you go back just a few cycles ago. chuck and i probably on opposite pages about looking at these special election results. it is the scenario right now we're republicans are doing better in presidential elections because they're pulling out different voters who may not show up outside of the big, the big show every four years. >> now, there is really something happening interesting in the special luncheon with the high and low propensity voters there. thanks for pointing it out that mauer is great to see you chuck wrote that culture as always nice to see you as well right now, president biden is headed to italy ahead of the g7 summit. >> big issues on the agenda, of course, include the israel hamas war, the war in ukraine, the impact of ai on the world. >> that with all the political term let me, while we will talk about that gold one second, but let's go to doha right now. secretary blinken speaking there now as you heard him say, we were together just yesterday in jordan, had a conference to work to rally more international support to address the dire humanitarian crisis in gaza. >> qatar has already shown remarkable generosity and helping people in such urgent need providing 4,700 tons of food medicine and other life-saving aid at yesterday's conference in ounces $400 million more in additional support from the united states too. the palestinians that brings the total amount that we've provided to $670 million in additional us assistance to the yeah. palestinians any eight months that this war has been going on we've long been the leading provider of support to palestinians. and we we will continue to do everything we can to support them particularly in this time of need we're also continuing to work every single day on it pre-seen the flow of assistance into gaza and making sure that it gets to people who need it within gaza working to improve civilian protection working to secure the release of hostages now single, most effective and most immediate way to end the suffering of people in gaza to end the suffering of palestinians and israelis alike to tackle the humanitarian assistance crisis, to prevent the conflict from, further escalating and spreading to other places is to get ceasefire that allows us to get to work toward a more durable end to the conflict here again qatar has been tireless partner in the prime minister personally, a tireless partner in working to mediate a ceasefire and a hostage release something that the prime minister and i first discussed here on october 13th and many times since 12 days ago president biden's set out a ceasefire proposal rooted in core principles of releasing all the hostages surging assistance into gaza guaranteeing israel security providing a path to an enduring and to war. >> and starting the massive reconstruction for gaza the entire world almost without fail has been behind this proposal and we heard it again and again and again. >> individual countries pronouncing themselves in support in this region and beyond. important groups like the g7, the honorably palestinian authority israel and of course just two days ago, the united nations security council leaders in the region that i've met with over the last couple of days they have reaffirmed that. >> again and again and again so we're waiting on one response and that was the response it's from hamas and as the prime minister said, last night, we received a response hamas has proposed numerous changes to the posel that was on the table. we discussed those changes last night with a different colleagues and today with the prime minister some of the changes are workable. some are not here in a nutshell is where we stand a deal was on the table that was virtually identical to proposal that hamas before on may the sixth a deal that the entire world is behind a deal israel is accepted hamas could have answered with a single word yes instead hamas weighted nearly two weeks and then propose more changes a number of which go beyond positions that had previously taken an accepted as a result, you heard the prime minister say this the war that hamas started on october 7. >> but this barbaric attack on israel and on israeli civilians we'll go on more people will suffer. palestinians will suffer more, israelis will suffer but in the days ahead we are going to continue to push on an urgent basis with our partners with qatar with egypt to try to close this deal. because we know it's in the interests of israelis, palestinians. the region indeed, the entire world and we all three that the deal has to be grounded in the principles at the ceasefire proposal that the entire international community supports there's something nelson's critical and the prime minister alluded to it it's also crucial that we get from the immediate ceasefire that we're working personally to achieve to an enduring end and in order to do that and to do that effectively we have to have plans for the day after the conflict ganzen, gaza, and we need to have them as soon as possible for months. >> we've been working with partners throughout the region on such a plan and that was also key focus conversations i've had over the last couple of days in the coming weeks, we will put forward proposals for key elements of the day after plan, including concrete ideas for how to manage governance security reconstruction that plan is key to turning a ceasefire into an enduring end to the conflict. but also turning an end of war into a just and durable peace. and using that he's using that piece as a foundation for building a more integrated more stable more prosperous region over the course of but what's now my eighth visit to the region since october 7 everyone that i've engaged with has made clear that this is the path they want to pursue. now i can't speak for hamas or answer for hamas and ultimately, it may not be the path that hamas wants to pursue. but hamas cannot and will not be allowed to decide the future for this region that's people enough dialogue and majorly less. so i lower zero on had known have numbering connected jazeera what we've just been listening to is secretary of state tony blinken can he in doha and these are his first remarks. >> first real response since they have received the response from hamas to the hostage and ceasefire proposal has now been on the table. the reaction from tony blinken important. he says that hamas in its response proposed numerous changes. some are workable, some are not. he says tony blinken, though, making very clear that this is on hamas at this point because he went into detail on how many nations, how many regions of the world have come together to agree and support this proposal? just this week, the un in security council giving its endorsement to this proposal, the g7, the arrow league, israel, all saying yes to this proposal. and tony blinken saying hamas could have ended this essentially and start to bring about to bring an end to the suffering with a simple yes but now more changes are being proposed and asked for requested and demanded by hamas for this to come to an end. we're going to continue to cover this, but this is an important development in what has now in what is now been this kind of waiting period to see what was going to come and how much hope to put behind this proposal that president biden laid out 12 days ago. >> jaume anti-bullying, very careful with words there, but suggesting that hamas is moving the goalposts. >> we do have brain picking economic news, new inflation data just out showing it came in cooler than analysts were expecting. how much good news is this for the economy? >> the sirens are going off the tornado here you cannot out swim this. >> you cannot outrun it really is a terrifying experience. it is the stuff of nightmares you could hear it and feel it. >> 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last month for health here with much more on this good news, i come bearing some better news this island rating for the caveats, but please exactly takeaways. >> so yeah. so cpi, the consumer price index, of course, a basket of goods and services. the government tracks the change in price. so this coming in, this index, coming in for may at 3.3% on an annual basis certainly better than the peak. but a reminder that this is the fed's goals. so this is where we're trying to get to. but 3.3% that is slightly better than we saw at the month prior. it is also better than expectations. so we like to see that when you look at cpi on a monthly basis, this is where the real good news cause this is where the gift is 0% remaining unchanged on a monthly basis, right? so the index pretty much remaining flat. the last it's how we saw this, you'd have to go all the way back to july, i think of 2022. so you certainly like to see that. i want to talk really quickly about sectors on a monthly basis because this gives you a sense of where prices are still rising and where they're falling. so shelter which has been really stubborn shelter, you think the price to put a roof over your head, think about rent. you think about there's a component for mortgages. so that increased again on a monthly basis and food slightly increased. but as you can see on this graphic here, just so slightly on the other hand, we saw prices fall for gas in a pretty big way. we saw prices fall for apparel as well, and airline fares also came down. so the reason why this is really important in general, but certainly on a day like today when we're getting hit with a double whammy effect of economic event is it just gives us a sense, not just of where prices have been, but also where rates are going. and when we hear from jay powell, the federal reserve chairman, and about six hours from now, we don't expect this softer inflation report to necessarily change what we hear from him, then we're not expecting a rate cut. this meeting, but perhaps now that we're getting more welcoming inflation data, maybe that means a rate cut. maybe later this summer, maybe early this fall, which after the string of inflation reports that we have been getting, that we're actually hotter than expected that was even a big question. so for change, i come with some are better than expected news, inflation cooling for the month of may, we'll wait a few hours to hear what j power has to say about this. i'm sure he will have something to say. and quite a day getting this report this morning, and then the announcement the fed policy this afternoon, it's great to see you. >> thank you. likewise that inflation, that a whole bunch of investors are looking at that going oh, really liking that this morning, 6 million people across southern florida are bracing for a new round of flooding. this after sarasota saw nearly a month's worth of rain last night, last night alone. and it comes as heat waves out west are bringing 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churches are linked to this association. on top of that, women working in pastoral roles at about 100 churches. and this could affect black church across the country. but one of the things that people want to talk about is the fact that supporters believe this is biblically necessary. listened to to pastors talk about this breakdown and why this vote could go one way today women have had a prominent role within the ministry and pastoral positions within the leadership of first alexandria for over 44 years first alexandria stands before you today as a testament that we can maintain a fruitful partnership with churches. >> the take a different stance on women and ministry we find no joy in making this recommendation, but have formed the opinion that the churches egalitarian beliefs regarding the office of pastor do not closely identify what the conventions adopted statement of faith yeah. >> john, obviously i said we will still monitor this throughout the day last year that preliminary vote was cast and it looked like this will pass. sometimes they now again, like i said, this could affect 100, hundreds of churches. they'll have to make the decision how they want to move forward. but something we should also say, this is in their constitution, the doctrine actually states that only men can be pastors at one church. you had women pastors only doing their pasturing to women and children. so there's big discussions about how this breakdown will happen, how it will move forward, especially in this changing, changing landscape across the country when it comes to people going to church. but this debate will happen today. the vote should happen later on, and we'll bring it to you john alright, ryan young. >> thanks very much. >> kate joining us right now is referencing victoria rob powers. she's the first female senior pastor at the royal lane baptist church in texas. reverend, thanks for being here and just to bring everyone up to speed, your congregation is an autonomous baptist church, not affiliated with a southern baptist convention but your experience is so important here because this is not the first time a church has been ejected from the southern baptist convention over female pastors why do you think they are doubling down on this? >> yeah that's right. thanks for having me i think one of the reasons why they're doubling down on this is because they're trying to maintain power. i mean, studies show that to maintain power, you have to constantly exert power. i think they're doing this in an effort to exert power. the irony is the southern baptist convention is losing power because it's losing influence. a decision like this will inevitably lead to the disfellowship of hundreds of churches, which means the convention will significantly dwindle and size rafat, this feels very strange to ask, but i shall, which is have you ever witnessed any negative impacts? >> of having a female pastor in a church yeah. >> i actually grew up in the southern baptist convention, which is funny that you should ask that. and as i, as you mentioned earlier, royal lane is not part of the southern baptist convention, but we were in fact we left the convention in the early 90s because of their discrimination of women and ministry. so in many ways what we're seeing is not new. the convention has a long history of excluding women administrate, especially from leadership roles. >> i think the point i was trying to make have you ever seen having a female pastor leader church and a senior role that it's been a problem for a church in terms of actual spiritual faith and leading a congregation for separate from its connection to the, to the convention sure. >> thanks for that clarification. no. i haven't seen that. i mean, i think our church in particular has seen a lot of fruitful ministry from the result of having a female and a pulpit. it's also helpful to just expand the number of voices that we hear from. so to. choose to only reserve the office of pastor for men is to limit ministry and limit the possibilities of what god can do the reverend, we heard the reverend of the man who is leading the alexandria church. >> his name's robert stevens speaking there saying this is a sad moment for us. but we also recognize that god has a future for first baptist church. and i had read, used speaking to, i believe as a local community newspaper earlier this year and talking about women women in clergy and the impact and you say often i tell people, you can't be what you can't see what does this movement from egalitarian beliefs mean for young kids growing up in the southern baptist churches all over the country right now yeah. >> i can't help but think about all those young girls in these churches who will never know what's possible for them. because as you said, you can't be what you can't see. so it's disheartening to think about the ways in which we're limiting their imaginations but i actually remain hopeful because if my religious experience tells me anything it's that god is bigger than the walls we tried to put around god. so i'm confident this won't be the last word for women in baptist life i wanted to ask you if you could speak with the clergy of the first baptist church in alexandria today, what would your message be? reverend yeah, i would tell them to keep going to be courageous in their prophetic witness and to remember that there are many examples of women and leadership throughout the bible of a southern baptist just convention likes to hold that the office of pastor is reserved for men alone. >> and at that somehow is qualified by scripture. but that's just not true. we see women in leadership roles across the bible as they serve as judges, prophets, apostles, the first witnesses to the resurrection were women. so we wouldn't even have a church today if it weren't for women. so i would tell them to press on to keep going and to remember that if the son of god can come from the womb of a woman, then surely the word of god can come from her mouth now that is a perfect note to end on a perfect message to end on here, reverend. thank you so much for coming on this morning. >> thank you. >> they knew are in a new central starts now all right cool is cool, breaking news, brand new inflation data just in better than better-than-expe cted, the market good love if futures way up right now, we have the latest moments ago, us secretary of state antony blinken suggested that hamas is moving the goal posts on ceasefire and hostage hostage negotiations. >> so where do things stand now and just in italian media reporting, the pope tuesday, homophobic slur behind closed doors again, this is a second and consecutive months sara sidner is out. i'm john berman with kate baldwin in this is cnn news central all right the breaking. news that type of in-flight inflation data that a lot of people were hoping for. let's get right to cnn's rahel solomon with the very latest on this. what are the numbers 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told. that's fascinating what you're saying there again, the book is called white poverty. how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy. reverend dr. william barber. thank you very much for joining us thank you and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now tonight a. >> new batch of secretly reported audio supreme court justice samuel alito, the activists behind the reporting's will share it with us in just minutes from now, plus, hunter biden convicted the new reporting about the reaction from inside the trump campaign and say it ain't. so why joey chest that's reign as one of the top dogs at coney island is coming to an end. good evening anja lithosphere now i'll go good evening. >> i'm jim acosta and for laura coates on this busy tuesday night for months, donald trump and republicans have tried to make the case that there is a two tiered justice system one system of justice for trump and one for everybody else. there are tax goes something like this that the justice department is being weaponized against donald trump. and donald trump only at direction of president biden. never mind that trump and his allies are also claiming that biden is slipping mentally while at the same time orchestrating that conspiracy set that aside. just consider the trump-world allegation that biden is behind this plot. two persecute the former president just so you understand this is all done by biden and his people maybe as people more importantly, democrats across the slide they've crossed the line in which now the court system is a political weapon. this department of justice, the biden department of justice he is the most partisan department of justice in our nation's history today that same biden department of justice secured a conviction against the president's son, hunter, guilty on all three counts for lying about his drug use when he purchased a gun here is david weiss, the special counsel leading the case no one in this country is above the law. >> everyone must be accountable for their actions. i want to thank attorney general garland for providing the support necessary to fulfill our mission. >> that's why it's thanking the attorney general for ensuring that he has independence. the same attorney general that the former president and his allies have relentlessly accused without evidence of conspiring to get trump's today. some of those trump allies accused the biden administration of pursuing a conviction of hunter basically accusing the president of sacrificing his own son to continue that conspiracy. former trump white house adviser stephen miller posted this. take a look at this. the gun charges he says are a misdirection, don't be gasland. this is all about protecting joe biden don't be gaslight. indeed, new tonight, the new york times reports hunter biden's conviction not only undercuts trump's narrative, but also hurts his campaigns fundraising efforts, citing a person familiar, the time says, quote, there had been discussions about how much an acquittal of hunter biden would help mr. trump? potentially raising tens of millions of additional dollars as they plan to cite it as more evidence. the justice system was rigged oops it's an ai, democrats on the hill noted their response to the biden conviction was different. >> we're not here contesting the results. were not here trying to defund the fbi or the department of justice because we don't like the outcome of a of a given trial we respect the judicial process, which we respect the outcome of it for his part, president biden two, it says he accepts the outcome of the case, and we'll respect it. >> he issued that statement before he changed the schedule to be with his son, fleming fine. to wilmington, delaware, where he remains the night photographer. you can see right? they're capturing their embrace hey, shortly after the president landed on the tarmac. now i want to get to brandy harden, a criminal defense attorney, liam donovan, former national republican senatorial campaign committee aid and karen funny a cnn legal commentator. brandy, i so let's let's jump right into this. republicans still saying that doj is a big weapon but against them, does that hold up anymore? let's listen to a speaker johnson. he was talking to our manu raju and other reporters about this verdict will talk about the other side every case is different. >> and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case and the trump trials and all the charges that have been brought again, obviously brought for political purposes. hunter biden is a separate instance separate instance. the speaker say separate incidents, and so i think, look, this convictions certainly undercuts the theory that there are two there's a two tier justice system in reality, there's not one system for donald trump in one system for other folks in reality, we see that this conviction stands that when the government sets their sights on you, when they think that you've committed a crime, they're gonna go after you and just like what happened here, a jury of your peers is going to listen, is going to figure out what happens. >> and here there was a guilty verdict yeah. >> and leon, the new york times, reporting that the trump campaign plan to raise millions of dollars off of 100 biden acquittal, i guess that's oh, well, i guess that's not gonna work out now what do you make of that? >> well, i mean, it's certainly makes sense if you're trying to play into the cynical idea that the system is rigged, that would certainly be prove it. >> i think well, with the punches though, if you start with that premise, then you can use that to any anything can come back and affirm that. so there's there's nothing that can prove the negative the system's not rigged, not a conviction of hunter biden. i mean, look, this would never should have gone to trial was supposed to be a plea deal. the plea deal fell apart. this also doesn't resolve because there's going to be a tax trial that comes up in september. it's just a mess. nobody's actually satisfied the president. but what do you sent through a tax trial to get help right? exactly what where does the conspiracy end? >> all the way up and then sanity begin? >> but here's this so cynical and discussing about that anybody who is dealt with addiction or it has people that they know deal with addiction it is a journey to stay clean, right? and the idea that the president would want to risk his child sobriety for the presidency. i get why in donald trump's mind that might make sense because that's how he thinks about things, right? is how do i work the angles to get the result i want, but the thought of joe biden doing that after again, i think what's important about today, i think about the contrast here you have a man who has this is a guy who has taken punches throughout his life. joe biden and he gets back up and he's resilient and he has figured out how to say, look, i love my son, but the law is the law versus trump, who acts like a spoiled brat, who just doesn't get his way yeah. >> i mean liam, the trump campaign saying in a statement, we put this up on screen. this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family and limb. >> people buy this stuff. >> i think there is a separate issue. i mean, truly if you look at this, this is kind of the it's the bragg case of the hunter charges. it really is small potatoes. i mean, i don't think republicans truly do believe there are other things that foot here they. haven't produced the goods though. they haven't been able to put together a case in the house of representatives that would that would be able to pursue this. i know that the oversight committee is tried, but there are big things that you're going to call the biden crime family. should you have are tied to the president, wears we're doing we're doing hot dogs later ron, those out. we'll look at for the nothing now, you know, that's why i think we are where we are. they talk a good game. they talk like there's going to be something else. but in reality, this is it. this is what they have. this is the case that they have and ultimately it's resulted in a conviction. yeah. and brandie, a juror ten, spoke to cnn about the decision all 12 jurors did agree that yes, he know and laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs yeah. i know everything gets thrown into the political meat grinder in dc. but again, this is further validation of the jury system that we have in this country. it's, it's not perfect. it's flawed. our justice system is why there's no doubt about that but in the trump case, you had a jury of men and women doing their job, doing their civic duty. they came to a verdict. they issued that verdict. >> same in this case, saving this point in new york one and delaware, you know, it's really important that we rely on the jury system. i mean, we call it a jury of your peers, whether it's actually your peers or not, it's 12 people who listen to the evidence and make get decision. one of the things that i think is so problematic here though, is that why is this? i mean, you shouldn't be able to lie on an application, but with respect to whether or not he was addicted, i mean, that just takes it another step and i think it's sad that he was struggling with addiction is sad ultimately that he said what he said on the application, but i do think that the jury system i'm has 12 people decide what the evidence is and i listened to what the juror said the jury seem to say the fact that he's in the biden family had nothing to do with the case although in reality, everyone knew it was joe biden son and so even if it was in the back of their minds, they may have been at the front of their mind, but certainly it was something that everyone was aware of apparently it didn't, impact the verdict. >> this ties back to this larger theme about democracy that we've been talking about, right? because there is a part of democracy that is a leap of faith. you have to have a leap of faith that you go into the system 12 people are going to listen to the evidence and make a decision and you abide by that decision, you have a right to appeal, you have a right, you write, you have plenty of rights, under house that hunter has that right there's rather, you know, exactly. and so but that's democracy that and when some of the commentary that we're seeing from republican let's the whole fact that the trump campaign initially put out a statement that had sympathy for hunter and then pull that back. i mean, all that does is undermine people's belief in our democracy and in our systems at a time when we actually should be reaffirming into your point, it's not perfect. there's so much work we need to do. but this is our system and we've got to work with it. and by undermining it actually makes us less safe as a country tree. and the jury system works. i mean, at the end of the day and we're gonna for a long time, it worked and so regardless of how perfect it is, one way or the other, 12 people look at the evidence, they listen, sometimes say they get it wrong, sometimes they get it right, but the jury system works and leave just very quickly. there's a bob menendez trial going on henry cuellar trial going i mean, there are other trials of prominent democrats going on right now. >> i think the tricky part is and you're exactly right, but i think the tricky part is if you look at these piecemeal, you can say, well, this just proves the democrats are corrupt in this case of menendez or whomever. i think the tricky part is, as you say, i think there is trust in these institutions. but when we start to, when we start to talk about the supreme court, we start to talk about judge cannon and we pick apart things that maybe it looks like it's not on the level in other areas. i think it's hard to make these cases that we need to trust in the system if we're not bringing that across the board fair point, our guys, thank you very much. >> great discussion. i appreciate it tonight the bidens are huddling together in their delaware home to be with their son, hunter and addressing the verdict, the president said he could relate to families who have had loved ones battling addiction, saying quote, i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man and he is today and chris whipple joins me now he's the author of the fight of his life inside joe biden's white house chris good to see you. i see you studied the bidens for a long time. how painful is this moment for the president yeah, i think it's extremely painful, just heart wrenching and it's impossible to overstate date just how close joe and hunter biden arnon it goes all the way back to that horrific car crash in 1972, which hunter and beau barely survived. it's the reason why we've been seeing him holding him close through throughout the trial and jill biden has been there and why you see these continuing statements of support? i mean, i think that for joe biden, this is a personal tragedy at a political windfall because i think that politically, i just don't see any downside soup so many people, so many americans can relate to a father, loving and supporting his son why? >> and chris, we were talking about this new york times piece that's out this evening where the trump campaign has sort of analyze this various different ways of how a biden acquittal or conviction might play out. one of the things that says in that story is that the former president has been talking about hunter biden a whole lot less out on the campaign trail in part because the former president thinks that there's some sympathy out there for the current president because of what his son has been going through. and it is worth reminding our viewers just how much tragedy, personal tragedy, the president, the united states has endured over his life. and it has shaped him. it's made him the man he is. >> now. it's absolutely true and i think that look, i think a lot of the joe biden's advisers are keeping a close eye on him, not because they're worried about the political fallout as i say, i think that's nothing but upside, but i think they're just worried about him personally. they're worried about having to shoulder this on top of the burdens of the presidency. this is a guy who's got a lot of stuff on his plate but again, politically, i think there's no downside. i thought so even before the verdict and after the verdict, even more so because the guilty verdict gives the lie to the notion that joe biden is some kind of puppeteer who weaponized as the department of justice punishing his enemies it's and freeing his friends, obviously hundred biden never would have seen the inside of a courtroom if that were the case. and i think luck we've got a debate coming up and i don't think joe biden, would ever go there. i don't think he'll bring it up but let me tell you if donald trump is makes the mistake of going there and spewing nonsense about the biden crime family. i think joe will be prepared. mean can you imagine if that happened? joe biden saying, look, last time i checked you were guilty of 34 felonies i'm guilty of loving my son yeah. >> and chris, the president, has said that he will not pardon his son. what did you think of that? >> i thought it was extraordinary. i mean, it was it was a moment of just moral clarity on the part of joe biden and couldn't have been in starker contrast to the way donald trump has handled his own conviction so i think it was extraordinary when he was asked will you will you accept the verdict, whatever it is? he said? yes. >> would you and then again, what would you rule out a pardon? yes. >> you can't be much more clear than that. >> all right. for swivel a great discussion. thanks so much for your time. really appreciate it. good to be with you as 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the georgia state capitol in atlanta. >> this is cnn tonight a new recording of supreme court justice samuel alito slamming investigations that uncovered ethics scandals at the highest court in the country is the latest in a series of recordings released by progressive filmmaker who secretly recorded alito while posing as a religious conservative, the next clip was recorded by her colleague, ali said marco, take a listen to this tylee they don't like our decisions, have, they don't like now they the sides of the case that's the beginning and there are groups that are get somebody gets a lot of money now, cnn is not obtained the full video, but we've reached out to the supreme court and propublica for comment. we have not heard back from the supreme court, but of propublica saying in a statement tonight, propublica exposes abuses of power, no matter which party is in charge. and our newsroom operates with fierce independence. the fact that clarence thomas amended his past filings to formally disclose trips that were paid for by billionaire harlan crow speaks for itself and joining me now, the executive producer of the undercurrent, lauren windsor, she is the person behind those secret recordings. lauren, great to see you again, we talked to you earlier this morning thanks for coming back on. >> walk us through this. i can first of all, why did you want to get these justices on tape? and was it tough when you walked up to them where they more reserved at first digit to warm them up. >> how did it work? >> well, so it went to two different dinners. there's one and 20231 and 2024, at the first one? i spoke with justice alito only there were several justices there, but we had a good conversation. i had gone initially because of propublica reporting on clarence thomas so i thought at the time, will he be there? will he not who knows, but the reporting is it's like one of his favorite dinners so i thought there was a good chance he was not there. harlan crow is not there to my knowledge but justice alito was and so i had a conversation with him about how do we repair this partisan rift in our country that's right. they didn't say partisan rather, sorry. >> how do we repair the polarization in this country at the time he responded really and newsworthy way it was. i don't know. i don't know. that's not really a role. so he didn't publish that audio. but then this was before he actually went under the glare of propublica is fantastic reporting, right and so i imagined that because of that he might be more aggrieved and i might have a second shot at that this year. and sure enough, when i asked him similar questions, he had a much different response. >> and let's talk about what he had to say. they're about pro public. i mean, it is odd to say the leaves to see a supreme court justice or hear a supreme court justice go after a news organization which by the way, for propublica did a perfectly legitimate series of new stories on what was going on at the supreme court. and it's raised all sorts of questions about the ethics there there have been calls for ethics, codes and so on, because of that, they've wonderful is a private one that they did they did honestly, i have no idea what propublica is budget is, but let's just say that what is it 4 million that i think that clarence thomas is accepted in gifts from donors. >> i would, imagine that given that it's an independent newsroom, that the annual budget probably rivals the amount that clarence thomas is taken in donations that he hasn't reported. >> do i know for sure? i don't know. i just you know, if you're talking about millions of dollars there that you didn't report and justice alito is saying, oh, they've spent a fortune on going after clarence thomas. let's look at that relative. >> were you surprised that he was as candid with you as he comes across and as mrs. alito comes across, i mean, what what surprised you the most? >> it was very surprised in my so just to give some more context to this, i spoke with justice alito at the cocktail reception before. that's nris spoke with mrs. alito after the dinner? and i was surprised with him because when i went, i honestly thought these justices, they have to exercise discretion all the time. and so it wasn't surprised the first year when it wasn't newsworthy. the second year i go back. okay. we'll try again and see if we get something newsworthy so as i'm standing there and having this conversation with him, it's blowing my mind when he says there are fundamental things that can't be compromised. and so to me that's okay. well, wow what are those fundamental things that can't be compromised because it's clearly is going to affect how you rule on really critical decisions that are impacting the lives of americans every day yeah and i know you and i talked about this earlier this morning, but just in case the viewers have missed that, are watching now let's talk about tactics and the way you went about doing this when i was talking to you earlier this morning, you said spare me the pearl-clutching but what about the folks at home who might be saying, oh, you know what, she shouldn't have misrepresented who she was, she should just go in there and say, hey, i'm i'm doing this investigation, talk to me well, you know, if i were to walk up to someone and say, hi, i'm a journalists, would you please tell me that you have a lack of impartiality. that's not something you're really going to be candid about. and it really goes to the genesis. i've done undercover reporting for a long time back to a huge scoop that i had in 2014 with the koch brothers it's reserved for events or situations where you're not going to get information. >> really any other way. and in this particular circumstance, they're not forthcoming. there already evading any accountability measures whatsoever. and so is it worse for me too? tend to be a fan girl or is it worse for them to not disclose millions of dollars worth of gifts from gop donors let's talk about relative ethics violations here. i think that what i'm doing is in service of knowledge for the public good, the greater good for all of us congress needs to take action this i shouldn't have to do this it should be congress and this should be the media holding these justice. justice is two accounts is say your public service as part of the problem, the supreme court is unaccountable course. >> it isn't accountable. they can get ethics reform passed you know, why are we having congressional hearings into this? >> i think any reasonable person would say that clarence thomas let's getting his mother's house paid for or his nephews tuition paid for or an rv loan, much of which was forgiven. all of these things, any reasonable person would say there extraordinary. all right. lauren windsor. thanks a lot. you got i got us all talking here in dc. that's for sure. thank you, jim. thanks for your time. i appreciate it. all right. just ahead. a cnn 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prison. and we are only allowed to look inside two cells versus your where are you from? >> a british man approaches the great, but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us funding did panorama illegal black hole worse than guantanamo bay in an interrogation room, we he made 19-year-old stephane ux charloux from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14, along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talk to a lawyer? well, i don't know about the big guys. you speak about the kids assume we're all feeling know the truth. you don't know even my we're always punished is like five years in prison. i were punished we don't even know what he's done. like we've been imprisoned because of our clients at the sdf intelligence headquarters. we made british pakistani dr. mohammed socket accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas. inmates are abused so we live in torture. >> i live in fear we say, you live in torture, do you mean that you are actually physically being tortured? this happens on and off. >> what kind of torture, like beating by the stick by the gods. >> to be honest, i'm just waiting for my death. >> is no getting in out of this prison. belle-v never the warden at panorama called psaki claim of abuse false, saying, quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act this way the sdf and the us are pushing countries to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. >> but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose, can we meet brits, canadians, belgians, australians, and a couple of americans? >> survive basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck here with her seven-year-old son for more than five years. >> i have to ask you, i'm seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering their faces you're not covered, you're wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. >> i would say for the first 23 here's people were not accepting of it, you know, and they harassed us a lot. they stole our stuff in i had to stay strong and show example for myself. >> born and raised in the us. hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20 and left her family in alabama to live under isis a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time in prison have you reconciled yourself without possibility i always tell myself that i'm going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i'd server and not come out and begin my life with my son for now. >> that is not an option. >> while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled hold is us citizenship invalid on a technicality, i didn't write down. >> she lives in fear for her son's future what do you miss most about america? >> i just want to breathe at moroccan air and be around people i loved the people of america. they're very open and they're very forgiving and they're vary. their people who gives second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance and clarissa ward joins us, dow, chlorus are great reporting as always, i want to ask you about hoda the american we saw there, the us just completed one of the largest repatriation is from syria to date last month. >> why wasn't she part of it well, this is an interesting one gym, so we did actually reach out to the state department and ask them about hoda and they basically told us and i'll just read you the statement. >> the department has does not changed its position with regards to ms methanol citizenship status as the state department determined, and the courts agreed she is not and never was a us citizen. we've also heard from who does lawyer who said the us has taken a high and mighty approach and lecturing other countries that they need to repatriate hello to them athena is not a us citizen than she is stateless. and that is a violation of international law that directly contradicts what the us government has stated that other countries cannot and should not do the lawyer also raises the issue of who does 7-year-old son, whose grandparents are american? again, so this is a complicated case it is continuing efforts to try to resolve it, and i should add, jim, that is senior us official told us there are about a dozen other americans who are also still in those camps. in syria. the difficulty with repatriation is that some of them don't even want to go back. we spoke to one woman. she didn't want to be identified she said that she doesn't want to put up her hand to go back to the us. she's fearful of whatever punishment or recrimination she may face there for her actions. jim all right. fascinating report. 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reports as former acting defense secretary christopher miller, floated the idea for the armed services. biller told the paper the concept would create a common quote, rite of passage in a shared sacrifice among america's youth. america stopped. the draft. we should note in 1973 ending decades they divisive policy and ushering in the era of voluntary service, trump denied that he wants to revive mandatory service posting on truth, social quote, the story is completely untrue and he never even thought of that idea. he says, but the report highlights a concern all military leaders have in the united states plummeting recruitment staffing levels have dropped in every branch except for the space force is raising fears about military readiness and security with me now cnn global affairs analyst and former defense secretary under trump, mark esper of us secretary. great. grateful to have your time. this late tuesday night christopher miller says that mandatory service should be quote, strongly considered. what do you think of this idea well, jim, we do have a problem in the united states when it comes to recruiting and the numbers seem to be getting worse, we have when i was army secretary in 2018, only 71% of america's youth qualified to serve and now 56 years, years later, 78% are unqualified to serve. >> then the number who are interested in serving who remain has decreased from about 13% to 9%. so look out of a cohort of 34 million or so, 17 to 24 year-olds we can only seem to generate 500,000 or so that are qualified and interested in serving. so this is, this is a matter i'm deeply concerned about. it's not going to bite us today or tomorrow. but if these trends continue in their cultural there lifestyle trends, if they continue, we're going to find ourselves in a bad situation when it comes to the all voluntary force, 5810 years from now let me ask you about the political dimensions of this, because trump says he doesn't. >> this is not his idea, but he famously calls some american veterans who died in we're losers and suckers does trump's past comments about the military make recruiting more difficult i mean, can you imagine something like this happening in a second trump term after what he has said about fallen american heroes there are a number of things that have made recruiting difficult coming from both sides of the aisle, frankly, but i think it's the bigger issues in our country. i mean, the bottom line is that america's youth just are not familiar with americans military, with the one-half of 1% that serves and defense them. and that's the challenges we had to grow that with a close that knowledge gap among america's youth. so i think there are a number of ways to address that. measures that are far less radical than then reinstating a draft. things such as expanding j rotc and making sure that recruiters are guaranteed full access to high schools too. >> to simple things like bringing back physical fitness to high school students every day. and when they go to school and high school, things like that, they could really improve the pool of applicants. >> because right now, they just simply don't know that these are credible career fields and we don't want to go the way of mandatory service because what's really made the american military great since the draft was ended in 1973, was affected, they're all volunteers. they're professionals who want to serve. they want to be there. they want to do right by their country. and that's makes our military so capable and so great you and i were talking before the segment about various things and i asked about d-day. >> and, you know, my thoughts. i mean, there's still with those amazing veterans that we saw on june 6, last week. you know, these these men who and women who we are in their late 90s and 100s, just a stunning and just stirring example of bravery to americans all over the country have you been able to put your finger on what has been lost in and why? maybe americans just don't have the same reverence for military service that we have for the greatest generation for the people who fought on d-day know what i mean yeah, there are tremendous generation toughened by the depression of course. and then brought together by the spread of naziism. and of course imperial japan in world war ii they're just remarkable and they thought that war for four years and then came back home and went straight to work and raised families and built america into what she is today. but look i think that ember is still there in the hearts of america's youth. i see when i visit the academies, when i used to go to visit basic training or units out in the field, i think it's still there but again, they're a distance is grown between the american population and the military that serves them. and we have to bring them back together and we need our national leaders to go out there and talk about the virtues of military service, about what it means to help one another to serve one another. and i do think there is also a virtue and bring them, bringing the americans together from all democrats graphics from all ethnic groups, from all religious and racism, bringing them together that would go a long distance to helping bring our country together, make us more cohesive. as cohesive as the greatest generation was nearly 80 years ago now. >> yeah, and i should note, you and i both though after 911, we saw the same kind of patriotic response. inside this country. and so does somebody extent what chris miller is saying is that maybe we need to bring back mandatory service because that doesn't exist anymore. but if there were to be a national crisis, international crisis, i agree with you. i think americans, young americans would respond in the same fashion. we have to keep fostering that kind of spirit in this country secretary mark esper, great to talk to you as always. thanks so much for your time. really appreciate it thank you, jim alright. 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rules from past years and regard to partnerships and cnn senior data reporter harry ensign is here now, eating a hot dog, though less hairy. >> what i figured we'd be talking to you about this so where's the beef here and all of this? >> what's going? but on this is going to open up the competition. i suppose. and a pretty big way how dominant has chest not been hizon this thing. >> he's absolutely owned it. just look, joey chestnut to record he is when 16 nathan. >> no, no, no, no, not another always said don't speak with you while you're chewing your food. but anyway, anyway my mother is not here. >> that's what's most important. all right. >> he's 11617. >> last contests these in a total of 1070 hot dogs, the most at once. a world record 76. this dude eat hotdogs and his sleep, if he was here right now instead of just taking one byte, he would have finished all of the hot dogs that i have on this desk. so this dude is amazing he is an athlete. there's no question about a world-class athlete. >> and this is a tradition along the coney island boardwalk in new york harry wax poetic here. how did it start? >> this? there's a lot of myth-making with this particular contest and i actually went in, i thought maybe it started in the 19-teens, but no, it's only been every year since 1978, maybe a kind of start in the early 70s, but it's been consistent since 78. it's really been a competitive contest since 1997 when major league eating first sponsored it. and that's when we really started seeing the crowds and those competitive eaters, sometimes 40,000 plus people turn out to watch this thing. my goodness, gracious. you've got 40,000 people to watch. anything yeah. and i don't want to think about what was going into those hot dogs back in 1918, but all move on. >> hairy chest on sponsorship change reflects this, i guess shift towards a vegan products plant-based meat. i eat some of this stuff every once in awhile. it's good stuff what are the number say in terms of what's more popular now, meet or plant-based alternatives. >> i mean, meet, it's still so dominant i mean, you just look at the profits and over the last year and you see, you know, look at the animal meat, 122 billion plant-based meat, only 806 million, far less. but you know, jim, you mentioned plant-based and i wanted to do it the taste tests right here, i got a plant-based impossible hot dog right here. all right. i'm going to take a little bite here. >> all right it looks tasty so it's nothing compared to this. i mean, this is where you want it that is where you want it. >> that is where you are right now. >> it's where i am. i am in heaven, jim, i'm in heaven right now. fantastic. i just love hotdogs overall. there's nothing that says some are more than a nice hot dog especially one that's made in the finest city in the world at a baseball game. there's nothing better. i harry answered, i'll let you finish your food, please chu and shoe everybody and swallow and please don't show up. we're still on the year. all right. i'll be fine thanks a lot see a light, wash it down with a good beer. >> all right. see you later. and thank you for watching. i'll see you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on cnn anderson cooper 360 is next tonight on 360. what happens now that the president's son is a convicted felon and why supporters convicted felon who is running for president are still complaining about the criminal justice system, keeping them honest. also, a cnn exclusive course award goes inside a searing detention camp. were families, vices, fighters are being held and some fear of the next generation may be being born. plus we have breaking news tonight. a bus
denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn't worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy who is really a messenger of unity, a message for all people i think that's why he's going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides that's back on deal's farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. >> if we don't make some changes and find somebody who has creative solutions and somebody we can trust who wants to bring us together? we're gonna be on a world of hurt even rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy's coalition of voters, they've really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn't support either candidate in 2020. a lot of his support comes from the so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump anderson, even mechan thanks the news continues here on cnn front next the breaking news, trump's interview with a probation officer wrapping up the first first of its kind in history, we have new details about the questions he faced and how his answers could affect his sentence, as well as who was in that room. plus a secret new recording tonight is supreme court justice samuel alito. >> this is the former republican governor kristi todd whitman breaks her silence about the man that she had publicly supported an introduced to the united states senate she now. regret backing alito, and it's the hottest stock on the planet. >> a little known company forcing apple today to play catch up we have a special report. >> let's go outfront and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight. the breaking news, former president trump, just wrapping up an interview with a probation officer. this is a first never in american history has a former president had to sit down with a probation officer well, because a former president has never been convicted of a crime. but here we are. this meeting was mandatory for trump as he is now a convicted felon in the state of new york. trump answering questions from his home and mar-a-lago. now, according to a source, the question answers lasted about half an hour and trump was asked we understand some of the basic questions that other convinced it did felons must answer those questions for regular felon would include questions about family background, financial status, living situation, and crucially, it chance for the defendant in this case trump to say why he thinks he deserves a lighter punishment now there is no pleading. the fifth year and the answers trump gave will influence judge juan merchan, who will formally sentence trump in july. here's the range trump is facing anywhere from probation two up to a maximum of 20 years in prison after being found guilty of all 34 counts in the new york hush money case. now, one of the most important drivers into whether which extreme this ends up on or where it ends up in that in that band is whether trump expresses remorse. and that of course is not happening trump today posting online, i truly wish people would remember that all of these trials in quotes are concocted and run by the crooked joe biden white house and doj for the purpose of election interference and damaging crooked political opponent me as much as possible. of course, it always bears noting in a moment when he says that the biden doj could have prosecuted this case and explicitly chose not to. and the white house, the white house officials privately call this case the run to the litter. but trump is going to melt this trial for all its political worth. and it comes as his top political ally today, rudy giuliani is now facing some justice of his own, charged with allegedly conspiring to overturn arizona's election. this just came out moments ago. what you're looking at on your screen is the mug shot of giuliani america's mare turned into trump's fall guy, and that is his mug shot in the state of arizona, maricopa county tonight brynn grasp begins our coverage outfront live in new york and brynn, you've got new reporting about this interview between trump and probation officer so what are you learning yeah, that's right. >> so aaron is interviewed, took place around 330 today, as you said, it lasted for about a half an hour, a bud source in new york city's who was familiar with the actual interview that took place over a virtual meeting telling are john miller that trump was described as polite, respectful, and accommodating, answering all the questions asked of him. now, we've reported that todd blanche trump's attorney was with him in mar-a-lago on that side? the virtual meeting by here in new york are understanding from this source is that the commissioner of the new york city probation department would need a homes was present. the general counsel for that department was present, as well as the probation officer that is assigned to trump's case. of course, this probation officer now will likely stick with trump and this will be the person who does the follow-ups. this are saying though that as of now, like i said, he answered all of the questions that were asked of him. and right now, there doesn't seem to be a follow-up, but of course there is always that option to should they need it. so one of my more details of how that probation interview went as we've described before, many questions could be asked of certainly about trump's background, his financial history, has he abused drugs or alcohol in the past? it's certainly not much ground covered in a 30 minutes, but of course, we're talking about a defendant like the former president here. now what happens next the defense it's her attorney, todd blanche, his team. >> they're going to submit a sentence recommendation to the judge. the probation officer, who conducted this interview is going to conduct. it's going to compile hello report. and these are just two elements that are gonna be factored into judge juan merchan's decision when he makes that sentencing done, which of course we know the days next month in july 11, aaron, are i brynn? >> thank you very much. in new york outside the courthouse, michael jacobson and our team join me here. michael, let me start with you because you are the former new york city correction and probation commissioner. so when need homes now doing that now. >> so what's your take of what happened today? >> we've been obviously probation or regular probation officer assigned to the case, but it sounds like the commissioner herself was in the room as well as the general counsel will certainly expected someone more than just a probation officer to be in that interview. i mean, it's so unusual for 1,000 reasons. most of them obvious but just the fact that it was remote. and that trump's attorney was there. those are two very odd things in enough themselves. so given all that, it certainly made sense that you would want someone other than the probation officer it certainly makes sense to me for the general counsel to be there the sort of equivalent of trump's attorney on the probation? and the commissioner runs the agencies. so i think she thought it was appropriate that she was there. >> now, i know these can often go up to 90 minutes or two. i then go longer. this went less than 30, and obviously this isn't a case where the judge needs to be reminded about the details of the defendant or anything like that as would be the case in normal situations. but what do you think they got out of it? >> well, it's just the beginning of what can be a pretty long and sometimes intrusive process. so you shouldn't take too much that it was just a a first polite interview. probation officer has wide berth here to get into, as you said alcohol and drug use. talking to pass as victims can examine trump's behavior in terms of the violation of the gag order revisit the finding that he sexually assaulted jean carroll. all that is open, fodder for a pre-sentence investigation. they wanted to sort of paint a broad picture. so this was the start of something at certainly not the end, which is important thing, right? it's not as if this is done and then we wait a month, right, terry, this is this is a part of it, but you've watched the judge so closely in that room, judge, that trump had referred to looking like an angel, but he was really the devil was the way trump put it but a judge who his demeanor was always positive, serious, he never never betrayed any sort of emotion how much weight do you think he will give this report, this interview that's the report that's going to come out of the interview that michael's talking about. i think he's going to take it very seriously, but like you said, aaron, he knows this defendant, he knows trump. >> he saw him every the day he saw trump violate the gag order ten times and he imposed the fine for that. and i think he's going to really want to see whether there is remorse and he's going to take what's been going on in las vegas, the rally, what he's saying and all of the things that he saying now really don't show remorse. and i think that is going to have an impact. i'm not saying he's going to incarcerate him, but i do think as to whether it's probation or house arrest or community service he's going to go with something that's a little more serious. so mark the way that it was described, brynn reporting, the way that trump handled himself today was that he was polite and respectful and accommodating to the probation officer. and the obviously the commissioner in the general counsel, who were also present for the new york parole commission. i'm sorry, probation commission. >> but this is the first time of foreign presidents ever been in a situation like this. >> mark, you've been in situations like this hundreds of times with clients. so does the judge already have his mind made up when you hear a accommodating, polite and respectful. does that mean anything considering what trump says about this, judge? pretty much daily i think it was a pragmatic approach that he should be respectful to probation officer interviewing him. >> i've never had general counsel show up at the hundreds that i've ever been on. i've also never had the commission shouldn't have department of corrections show up. so obviously, everyone's looking at this very, very carefully. but aaron, as we talked about last week, i do think that this judge as most judges who sat through the trial before sentencing, have most of their mind made up 90% or so. this is not going to, i think move the needle very much because everyone knows who don't trump is. everyone knows about the facts of the case, which really interesting is whether or not they took this opportunity to give a written statement or a verbal statement of his position. i'm almost surprised if he didn't just because of who he is, although i tell my clients never to give a written or verbal statement at this stage wait until you get in front of the judge all right. >> well, we'll see the mark. i want to ask you about one other thing here because it trump obviously was in this interview today means i'm rudy giuliani, right? who was at the helm of this, his efforts to overturn state election results was he had his mug shot taken america county and arizona a process in phoenix after pleading not guilty to charges of trying to overturn the election, they're just looking at this picture and he's got a blue and a white star tie on. i tried to smile, i guess. i mean, mark, what's your reaction looking at that mug shot? >> it's insulting to the process to be honest, i remember rudy when i grew up in new york and all of that good stuff, america's mayor, like you mentioned, it's just sad that we're getting to the point where on the same day from a president, maybe a future president is getting your probation interview. and the former mayor of america is getting a mug shot taken heavy, said that he knows the respective should give the process he hasn't done it recently, but he knows and you don't smile, you don't look away from the camera. you give the respect even at the process of a mug shot, to respect the process that quite honestly, he was sworn to protect for decades and it's when will you say right? >> i mean, he's mocking it by the smile. it's not, not of a state of mind, it's a mocking. >> my goal when we talk of trump allies, it's actually very relevant here in the context of the probation conversation because florida governor ron desantis, they obviously were rivals for a time. >> they were allies, then rivals. and now here we are but desantis could actually be the one who oversees whatever sentence trump gets, right? >> right. so the way this works is a little known part of probation national e coli interstate compact. and if you're sentenced in a jurisdiction, but you happen to live in another jurisdiction, which is the case here, right. sentenced in new york lives in florida most of the time through the interstate compact, the supervision of that case will be done in a jurisdiction that the person lives in. so under normal circumstances, if he was sentenced to probation, they would make a request to be transferred to florida probation. right? >> those requests are normally fulfilled. i think this one there may be a little more of a discussion then they're normally is, but that agency is, as you say controlled by the governor and floor. >> so how he really has to check in or the way he's treated that would could potentially be the decision of governor to potentially the that compact gives wide berth to the receiving agency as they're called and the general rule is that agency treats this person as they do similar people there are no services, no similar people and it's a terrorist. >> what's the process here is my mega is point out this is the first step. it's a month from tomorrow that we're actually going to get the sentencing unless it's delayed. >> so the process here is what then trump's team files for what they think the sentence should be. and there's a whole lot of back-and-forth exactly what one of the things that the probation officer will be doing. they don't just have to interview some thinking interview family members. they can talk to prior victims if there were any victims in this case, it's victimless, so to speak, but they're going to be continuing to do their investigation. the judge is doing his research by the way, he is looking at how many similar people have had these types of charges and what has been their sentence. so he's doing that. >> and meanwhile, the attorneys obviously are working on their recommendations. >> both the prosecution and the defense. all right. well, thank you all very much. next we do at breaking news on the jury, deliberating in the hunter biden trial tonight, his family turning out in force today. the prosecution warrants the jury about by this 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three charges tied to the purchase of a gun while abusing narcotics. if the jury finds them guilty of all three counts, the president's son could serve up to 25 years in prison he could also be forced to pay up to $750,000 in fines now, when you think about that, just speak declare here as father or the president, the united states has made it clear that he will not pardon his son if he's found guilty. i've impressed has been following this trial since the beginning. he's out from the courthouse and obviously you've spent nowadays in days inside that courtroom, evan so the jury has this now, what can you tell us tonight well, aaron, i was in the courtroom this afternoon as both the prosecutor fusion and the defense. >> did their closing arguments, you could see some jurors nodding off during the 90 minutes defense closing arguments abbe lowell the lawyer for hunter biden, really focused his arguments on trying to direct the attention of the jury on things that he says shows showed shortcomings in the government's case, who pointed out that because there is no direct evidence that hunter biden was using crack cocaine in october of 20 me 18 when he bought the firearm that that is reasonable doubt as to whether he knew he was lying on the form that he filled out when he bought that gun. now, in response to that, there are kinds the prosecutor said someone who holds a crackpipe to his mouth every 15 every 15 minutes knows that they're an addict. so that's really the concise nature of this case. this is a very simple case and so now that the jury has it, we anticipate this is not going to take too long. however what we know is this, once he wanted we get a verdict from this hunter biden faces up to 25 years, possibly under this law, we don't expect that as a first-time offender, if he is convicted that he would get that much. we also anticipate that the that the judge will take at least a few weeks to set a possible sentencing. again, if there is a guilty verdict, again tomorrow, the jury is back here at 9:00 a.m. and we expect that there'll be here all day tomorrow. >> alright. evan, thank you very much. i mean, we'll see when that verdict comes. and that could be tomorrow, and evan will be there in that courtroom, which was packed today and notably, a number of people in the room were related to a hunter biden, including the first lady, jill biden france over the weekend, she was back. prosecutors have been telling jurors not to be swayed by the president, the presence i'm sorry, of the president's family in the courtroom saying, quote, this is not evidence tom foreman's out front as the jury headed into deliberations, hunter biden's family was there in force his mother, his wife, and others packing the first rows of the courtroom this even after a brutal week of testimony, full of painful details of his infidelity, divorce for this drug addiction, and grief, all of which he acknowledged long ago i made mistakes in my life and wasted opportunities and privileges. >> i was afforded for that i'm responsible. >> women in his life had played a big role in court. ex-wife, kathleen buhle, testifying that she searched hunter's car before their daughters got in and found drugs or paraphernalia on approximately a dozen occasions, his former girlfriend, zoe kestan, whom he met when she was a dancer at a club, said he appeared to be smoking crack on their first evening together. his daughter naomi tearfully took the stand in her father's defense, only to be asked by prosecutors about this text to him. i'm really sorry, dad. >> i can't take this and first lady, jill biden has been in court to holding hands and the family line. >> i love hunter and i'll support him. and i in any way i can. and that's how i look at things hunters, deceased brother beau has also loomed large. >> witnesses have talked about the devastating impact of beau's death or cancer in 2015 hunter has said the grief was so intense it spurred or romantic relationship with beau's widow, hallie and that grief turned into a hope for a love that maybe you could replace what we lost. and it didn't work it didn't work. >> indeed a trial, haley said hunter introduced her to crack it was a terrible experience. she said, i'm embarrassed, i'm ashamed. i regret that period of my life through it all the unstoppable refrain, drugs, drugs drugs with segments of his own audio book played as evidence i possessed a new superpower, the ability to find crack and anytown at any time, no matter how unfamiliar the terrain, it was easy. >> and of course, president joe biden is hovering, not in person, but in spirits. his decision already made will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? >> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes this would be a difficult bit of testimony for any family in this country to endure. >> i am sure, but with a member of that family seeking to hold onto the white house knowing the whole nation is watching, just makes it more so. aaron, tom, thank you very much. and ryan goodman is here, so ryan just going through that, how many people were in the room when you think about it ex-wife, sister-in-law, former girlfriend his his stepmother, joe biden, all of them in that room. what does that do to the jury? >> so, i, think it can make the defendant to look like a more sympathetic character, especially because you've got this audio tape, which i think some of what they're playing, it makes him seem very creepy. and he's talking about criminal conduct in a sense. but here you have the family that's showing love and support for a person who is giving the image of being rehabilitated and so that could be sympathetic to the jury, and that's why the prosecutors maybe felt like they had to say something to try to defuse that, to say that's something separate from whether or not he's criminally guilty of the alleged right, which they're trying to say, don't look at who's in the room. it's not about the case, but is defense attorney abbe lowell as devin was referring to, said during his closing closing statement that hallie biden, who was bows wife, who at one point, as hundred talking about was hit dated hunter after beau's death, did something incredibly stupid. that's how abbe lowell put it when she threw out hunter biden's gun and your source, with the things you do for love in that instance, is that a good move with this jury? >> do you think i guess the context here is they were nodding off during his 90 minute closing all right. so i think he might need to say certain things to try to charge them up and focus back in on him. but that's especially using that kind of language against hallie biden that could come across as a sexes trope to identify her as such. and then the defendant is not somebody who's engaging in stupid but the woman someone exactly. and with that many women on the jury, it's not a good move and it's just wide wave and say something like that. they could just say, look, i don't like this. i don't like this. defense council. i don't trust him and part of his narrative that he's trying to sell me on includes that element in it and that's not persuasive. >> so again, interesting, as evan said, a few of them were nodding off during that closing. one hour of deliberations today, how soon do you think we got a verdict? >> i think we could get the verdict tomorrow and not in the way in which when if you get a very early verdict, you often think it is they're gonna be a guilty verdict. that's just having a manhattan with donald trump. i think the case is very straightforward. it's only a week's worth of testimony for both sides. and the law is very straightforward as well. so it's three charges all around the same set of facts over lemon day period i think they could come back tomorrow with guilty or acquittal or hung jury, and we surprised that president biden said he would not pardon his son. >> i don't think so. i think that he really has to the ground of that. he needs to be separate from this and that he's trying to restore faith and the justice department and in some ways, our criminal justice system. so for him to suggest anything other than that would be a mistake, right? >> right. all right. thank you very much, ryan. next, we have breaking news of massive protests breaking out tonight across one of america's major allies after the far right is pulled off, a major and historic victory could this be a warning sign for biden meet the ceo taking on apple's tim cook and winning. and what he's creating. wait till you see it changed the world this election seasons stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. >> and the best political team in the business follow the voters follow the results follow the facts follow. >> cnn i'm getting vaccinated by sir pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine syllabi because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia i'm getting prevnar 20 because there's a chance 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today at your core.com breaking news, massive protests breaking out across france tonight in the face of major victory is by far right, politicians across europe. >> we've got new video and to cnn showing huge crowds and paris these far right winds were a shocking blow shocking to one of america's top allies, the french president emmanuel macron, suffering a stunning defeat that could see him lose its majority. the election results becoming clear as macron was actually meeting with president biden, who may face the same fate, a falling to the far right and just months. fred pleitgen is outfront is seizure all done? >> bother launch a landslide defeat for french president emmanuel macron's party in the european elections is a diesel donc swa less some blurriness, you macone immediately dissolving french parliament and calling for snap elections in france. so this is young the decision is serious, a hard one he said, but it is above all, an act of confidence, confidence in you, my fellow citizens the call came is the far-right as somone, as soon as one around twice as many votes in the election as macron's party sluggish economies in many european countries and the migration crisis similar to the southern border in the us, where the top issues for voters across europe many of the right-wing parties gaining ground, also sympathetic to russian leader vladimir putin like my thinking lappin of the asam, the mona's you now, who's been a kremlin out? for years. >> they processor. so this premier, the french have spoken and this historic election shows that when the people vote, the people, when she said in germany, chancellor olaf scholz's party also suffered a beat down coming in third behind the right-wing alternative for germany or afd, the afd with big gains even after their main candidate claimed there were decent people and hitler's buffon, ss and employed and accused a chinese spy in his office during the election campaign we had a bumpy start to the election campaign and then really caught up in the final sprint, the party chairman said after all the prophecies of dual after the barrage of the last weeks, we are the second strongest force europe's far-right, often skeptical of relations with the us. will be a strong force in europe's parliament, hungry. and one of former president donald trump's strongest allies in europe viktor orban of hungary, also an eu skeptic at a strong show i guess to sum up the results of the european parliamentary election, we can send in a telegram to brussels saying migration, stop gender, stop the war, stop soro, stop russell's stop. he said and aaron in various european countries, the centrist forces lost ground to those far-right parties and just i'll give you an idea of how dire the situation there isn't some places are here in germany, normally, the green party attracts a lot of young voters, but this time around, the greens actually lost a lot of young voters. >> and many of them went to the right alternative for germany. >> aaron, we'll questions and raising real questions here in the us, fred, thanks. thank you. and i want to go out adjacent van tatenhove. he's a former spokesman for the far-right oath keepers group, testified before the january 6 select committee, and he's also the author of the perils of extremism. how i left the oath keepers and why we should be concerned about a future civil war well, jason, i'm glad to be speaking with you again because you can put real perspective on this. >> you know, the far-right movement in the united states. >> so well how emboldened are they by what we are now seeing happened tonight across europe? >> well, i think it does play a part. i think you know, what happens here. >> ripples across the world in that happens back-and-forth those victories are going to be seen as a victory here too, that there's momentum growing and i think we need to take it as kind of a dire warning as to where we really are right now, even with a front runner that is just been found guilty of so many charges it just doesn't seem to matter. >> there's certainly momentum growing you see it as a dire warning. i mean, we have seen jayson to your point a disturbing rise in rhetoric, violent rhetoric and threats since trump was convicted, axios reported another far-right group, the proud boys, wrote in a website hope these jurors face some street justice and don't be surprised, you know, this was going to happen stand back and standby. >> this is far from over. we promise. so stand back and stand by. of course, the words that trump himself had used in 2020. and someone told the pro-trump right-side broadcasting network, which is something many may not have heard of who watch this program, but it's out there and at a trump rally over the weekend, they said this we're in a, third world nation now. so yeah, i would expect it at some point that like it'll break out into violence. i mean, at this point there yet they're using the courts against their opponents we've seen that before, so we know what's next yeah we're a third world nation now, and i would expect it'll break out into violence what are the threats and the talk of violence that you are seeing and hearing right now that were you most you know, really what worries me most is where it's coming from and my thought process. >> that's from trump this really seems to have evolved past what i would call stochastic terrorism, where you have a message that goes out. it seems to be passing a threshold where i think really he's just putting out this messaging and if you look at the emails that have been going out last week or so, the rhetoric is getting more extreme it's according that line of direct violent action more and more and unfortunately that audience, there, members of that audience consuming those messages that may take action that looked to be preparing to take action and that's a very concerning to me. >> when you say looked to be preparing to take action, do you really believe that there is sort of i don't know how organized you would describe it as, but that there really are those preparations that stand back and stand, stand back and stand by i think we would be foolish not to take them at their word i think that absolutely there we saw kind of an evolution of tactics after january 6 and during the prosecution's that happened with the people involved where it kinda it moved away from these, these big national groups and big national events to hyperlocal going after the drag storytelling hours and such. >> but now i think we're seeing a shift again where we're going back and there is a reorganization happening and i think we're going to see more coming from that national, those national groups that they are definitely ready to reappear. >> i will jason, i appreciate your time sobering warning. as you say, a dire warning that you're putting out are but thank you. >> next, a secret new recording of justice samuel alito, plus i'm going to speak to the former 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living together, please it's different because there are differences. one fundamental things that really it's not like what the difference this comes as a leader was embroiled in controversy after the new york times reported that an upside down american flag flew outside his home in northern virginia in january 2021. >> it was, of course, a standard flat a standard bearer of january 6 protesters, as well as the second flag, one carried by the insurrectionist on january 6, it flew outside his vacation homes. so two different flags, both used on that day, out front now for republican governor of new jersey, christine todd whitman, who introduced alito at his confirmation hearing back in 2006. recommended him to the senate judiciary committee. so governor whitman, i really appreciate your time and obviously it's been a long time, nearly 20 years since you did that and you publicly vouched for alito you spoke out for him? and now time has passed and you see him things he has done. you see his defiance admits this flag controversy. >> does this make you see him differently or regret your support? absolutely. without question i mean, i was willing to support him because i looked back at his record and when i was appointing justices particularly the supreme court or any of the judge's. what i look for is how many times said they've been overturned? did they write clear opinions and were they able to judge cases based on the facts presented to them in that case. and i actually saw a case that judge alito had actually had decided in favor of a plaintiff. it was clearly against what his personal convictions were relative to the matter of choice send abortion. and so my feeling was okay, he's shown that he will put aside his personal convictions to judge and decide a case based on the facts presented in that case unfortunately, since he's gone to the supreme court, that's just seemed to have gone by the wayside. >> yeah. i mean, obviously i wrote that wrote that opinion in roe v. >> wade in the letter to congress about the flag, alito said his wife flew the upside down flag because she was greatly distressed. those were his words by disputes with a neighbor and explaining his wife's motivation to fly the flag. he wrote, quote, house on the street displayed a sign attacking her personally a man who was living in the house at the time trailed her all the way down the street and buried her in my presence using foul language, including what i regard as the violet epithet that can be addressed to a woman. now, i spoke to emily baden. she was the neighbor and the dispute she put up the sign alito refers to which he said didn't refer to mrs. alito at all her husband are now husband is demand and alito mentioned in the statement, but she by the way, was the one who used the epithet in alito's presence. it was not her husband, as he said, but i want to play for you, governor, specifically, something crucial. she told me about alitos claim about the flag i just want to emphasize that the interaction that happened on february 15th is the one that they're using as an excuse for why they flew the flag. and i really want to hammer home the fact that that happened on february 15, and their flag went up two or three weeks before that, at best, he's mistaken, but at worst he's just outright lying the flag was flying before the altercation that alito says was the reason that the flag was put up, right? >> that's what she lays out very clearly. he wrote his version of things, governor in a letter to congress you're not allowed to lie to congress or they're serious penalties to that should he address this contradiction? >> well, first of all, it gets very tired and you see these guys pulling their wives. i mean, khan really it besides it is disrespectful of the united states of america. that's america slag it's not if you have a controversy with your neighbor, you deal with it with your neighbor, call the police if you want, use the courts, he should know about that. but you don't fly the american flag upside down. and as you mentioned before, it's a very clear signal two people who were part of the insurrection, and then how does he explain the other flag at their, at their other home? i mean, is his wife just doing that without his knowing and without his caring. when you assume a role like such as the supreme court justice you have a certain standard. you set a message, you set a standard for the entire court. the court comes under scrutiny when this kind of thing happens as it has already anyway, for a couple of other issues and they're having and the lack of it seems standards while his wife, isabel, quite for my wife is fond of flying flags i am not. my wife was solely responsible yeah. >> you find that jarring really? yeah. come on. man up at least. and if your wife did it, you should have seen it when you walked in the door and said, that's got to come down and then make an apology. say that was all a mistake. but say she put it up upside down by mistake for pete's sakes, but you don't you don't ignore it. let it hang and let the other one fly as well. you deal with them immediately. you're held to a different level of it. this is just a basic thing. i don't care whether it's a supreme court justice or not. that is so disrespectful to the, to the american flag. >> i mean, he won't rigueur some january 6 related cases he did write an opinion in 2021, actually, for the supreme court about a flag outside boston city hall. >> and in it he said that anybody who is looking at it would conclude that all of those flags convey some message on the government's behalf. he wrote that he was saying, if you fly a flag outside the boston city hall, people are assumed that's the view of the boston city hall government. >> but yet when it comes to himself, he says, it's my wife's fall it is their real hypocrisy. >> there is one statement oh, absolutely. >> i think it's very clear the unfortunate thing is, no one seems to really care and it doesn't appear is if the chief justice is going to do anything about it i mean, they've adopted supposedly standards of content of conduct, but they're going to be judging themselves and somebody inside they're gonna be looking at each other to say what's appropriate and clarence thomas is a whole another issue. so the court right now is not in the best odor, shall we say with the american people and the real tragedy here is that when the american people lose faith and the justice system, we're going to really dangerous place. and we shouldn't, we shouldn't be here. it's not a good place to be. we have to have faith in our justices we have to assume that they are going to judge cases based on those facts before them in that case. and to have this kind of thing going on on the outside is undermining and demeaning to the court itself. >> all right. well, governor whitman, i appreciate your time and thank you my pleasure next it started with three friends in a denny's 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going to unleash. there's outrage, and that is i can tell. >> well, kristie, great reporting as always. thank you and thanks for putting up with me at this late hour. >> it gets a little psalter whereas the hours go on. thanks very much for watching. i'll see you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. i might be a little certainly than two right here on cnn, anderson cooper 360 as next, have a great tonight on 360, real warriors and people don't. trump is now calling warriors, namely the violent mob that storm the capital, keeping them honest on the difference. also tonight, hunter biden's fate now in the hands of the jury how the defense and prosecution did and making their case. plus the latest in a string of cnn exclusives on decades of sexual abuse. the coast guard academy tonight of coast guard official break silence and says she was part of what she now calls a cruel coverup good evening. >> thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep romanness was something the former president has been saying a lot lately. and what it says about him. sunday is president biden was visiting the american military cemetery outside paris and frehse from marking the 80th anniversary of d-day. and at normandy donald trump was saying this there's never been people treated. >> more horrifically. then j six hostages. but those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that's what they were doing and then the police say go and go in, go in, go in, water is set-up that was that's the former president of the united states sunday in las vegas. and just to refresh your memory, these are the people he was honoring specifically the ones in prison for crimes they committed on january 6, or jail awaiting trial. and it's certainly not the first time he's called these people hostages ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the harb unfairly treated. >> january 6, tass ditches it's now part of his routine that recording he's standing in saluting four features him saying the pledge of allegiance while these inmates, whom he calls hostages sing the star spangled banner by the way, the former president began calling them hostages in november after actual hostages were taken by hamas, four of whom were freed in a daring military operation in gaza after almost eight months of mental and physical torment at the hands of hamas. and we'll have more on that tonight. >> but those are actual hostages. >> trump would have you believe the january 6 inmates are hostages and also warriors and victims? he said that to victims he also claims were invited in by police. so they're warriors and their hostages and their victims, and they're also according to him, lovers the love the 11 year i've never seen anything like it. there was also a love fest between the police, the capitol police and the people that walked down to the capital so stir that in with all the rest. and here's the former president is reshaping the attack on the capitol. peaceful protesters full of love invited into the capitol by police who loved them and return. but who somehow tricked them and made them victims, who then turned into warriors who are now being held hostage. let me introduce you to one of these man who's presumably a warrior and trump size. daniel rodriguez. this is his photo was posted on social media by username deepstate dogs. rodriguez was part of the mob that attack police with metal poles and bateson stolen riot shields and chemical spray. and in his case has stun gun he attacked officer michael fan-owned with it, who later suffered a heart attack and traumatic brain injury rodriguez pleaded guilty like so many others have and was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. his is one he's one of the people, the former president is calling a hostage and it shouldn't come as a surprise that trump is unfamiliar with what a warrior actually is. casey's watching, here's one from d-day technician fifth grade john jay pender junior he waited through machine gun and artillery fire carrying a vitally important radio assured omaha beach which he did despite being wounded once then again, making several trips back through enemy fire to get more equipment ashore until he was wounded a third time and died. technician pender was awarded the congressional medal of honor posthumously. president trump refused to visit the same cemetery that president biden. so many other presidents have over the years. and according to to his former chief of staff from being corps general kelly, quote, in the atlantic, he said, why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. >> had he gone, he might have learned what being a award are truly means separately, the former president now convicted felon, met by video conference de for a pre-sentencing interview with the new york probation officer, joining us tonight, former republican congressman and house, january 6, committee member adam kinzinger, also seen and chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, congressman. >> first of all, what is your as somebody who was actually what is your reaction to the foreign president calling the riders warriors and hostages and victims i mean, it's, it's thick and disgusting. >> obviously. i think we have to be careful to not allow this outrage to just numb us like this really should be. and thank you for putting this at the top of the show. there should be at the top of but every new show anywhere in the country at how agreed justs and terrible this as they, they're not warriors. the ones that went into the capital. most of them, if not all of them, have been arrested and tried. and interestingly, anderson, at the beginning when they started to get arrested, they were remorseful. and then this right-wing ecosphere put their arms around them singing the national anthem and stuff. and in that process, convinced them that they were victims and have made them martyrs and heroes. this is not something americans that aren't completely sold out to the cult should be, should accept and we should have this be a fresh outrage every day when he does stuff like this. >> it's also entering andrew. i mean, i know some actual warriors. they're not people who usually view themselves as victims or just sort of helpless victims. very often, how dangerous do you think it is for law enforcement and andrew and the public when you have the former president gaslighting his supporters because, i mean back in 2022, there was a guy upset about federal authorities searching mar-a-lago i'll go for classified documents. he was killed after trying to shoot his way into an fbi field office in ohio. it feels like du the congressman's point the former president just says this stuff and people just kind of ignore it. but i mean it has repercussions potentially yeah. >> so let's get the facts out first on this warriors claim. so as of january 6, 20 in 24, which is most recent numbers, i could find. we've got 1,200 and 1,265 people have been charged in as a part of that january 6 case, 718 of them on that by that de had already gone into court. raise your right hand, sworn to tell the truth, and then said did it i'm guilty to the whether it's trespassing or obstruction of official procedure or assault on police officers and others. so the idea that these people are somehow being held against their will for political reasons is absolutely absurd. >> and donald trump knows that's absurd. >> he knows it because he spent four hours that day watching the video tapes from behind the cloistered walls of the white house in the warm embrace of his secret service security team. >> so he knows exactly what happened that day. >> he knows those people were rioters and it's directionless and many of them have to their credit stepped up and taken responsibility for that. the thing that i cannot get past anderson is how many people give him a pass for saying absurd and secondly, false things like this. and you're right, these falsehoods that he, that he throws out in front of his rallies in support first, it is for political advantage, but it comes at the cost of driving up risk to people in the system. law enforcement prosecutors, and others. and you made the perfect example. ricky schifflin, who was outraged by what he undoubtedly heard the president say after the mar-a-lago rate decided to take it out violently on the fbi's cincinnati field office. that could happen any day anywhere around the country to any fbi agent or other federal officer by somebody similarly misguided. >> also, i'm congressman. it's just i mean, it's kinda it's just i mean, it's sickening that the former president basically solve this so the october 7 hostages being held by hamas and islamic jihad and others as a branding opportunity and i think according to the washington post in november is when he started using the term hostages for the for those who have been found guilty of crimes on on january said x and re-brand braise, branding them january 6, hostages. i mean, it's it's really worked it is really warped in that was various student view to notice is that he never used hostages until there were real hostages. >> some of which are still being held, some have been killed that are being held against their will. i mean, look, i'm probably started with marjorie taylor greene two she she came up with some of that, but i think the biggest thing to take off of what m'kay six stood up, lindsey graham, i'm done with this guy. we had a hell of a run, but i'm done. you think of like marco rubio, all these people that know better, that just keep their heads down and don't say a word. this is threatening the very fabric of democracy because all we have to have for democracy to survive is a basic compact that your vote, you can vote, your vote will count and the person that wins wins. that's what donald trump was tearing apart that basic contact contract. that is the only requirement for democracy to survive. and he is turn these people that violated the rule of law into martyrs. and by the way, if we don't have rule and law in this country, democracy can't survive either. and he is just an absolute il, fit mentally flawed is probably the nicest way i can say it. former president and candidate for future president in america has to reject him. >> john i know you have new reporting on the former president's meeting today are interviewing with probation officials, which is a normal part of this procedure. what happened? >> so today, donald trump with his lawyer, todd blanche, over a microsoft teams connection, had this virtual meeting to prepare to assist probation department in new york city with preparing the pre-sentencing report that goes to the judge it was an unusual meeting in that present there was the commissioner of the new york city department of probation wanted to homes her general counsel, bridget hamline, and the probation officer who would normally be there by himself or with another officer who would do the interview. the interview was led by commissioner homes and a city official who was briefed on the interview afterwards told me that at all times donald trump answered the questions which were things about what are your living situation any health issues, family history, where do you spend more time? new york or florida? a lot of things that don't while trump, but thank everybody already knows. but commissioner home said these are the normal questions we're going to put you through these questions. they said he was polite, he was respectful and that at the end of the meeting he wished them well and ended the call with be safe and we just got speaking in new york city mayor giuliani, former mayor giuliani's mug shot from arizona authorities. he's been he was hard to get a subpoena a subpoena to fund. they finally did. this is his his his mug shot that's not the mug shot. >> will try to get it he's pleaded not guilty there to charges of trying to overturn the 2020 election results what what happened to him i mean, well, this has been an amazing rise and fall from a prosecutor built on the image of thomas dewey going after the mom i've been crooked politicians to a mouthpiece for donald trump as president. >> and then the lead counsel. >> by the way, this is the mug shot that was another mug shot of his, which clearly he's gotten the lesson from that prior mug shot because this one is smiling at least that's right. the prior mug shot was from the georgia cases. so now he's on his second mug shot, but he has he has he has hitched himself to the donald trump wagon, but he's also been through multiple breakups and divorces. he's lost millions and millions of dollars. he's in bankruptcy, has apartment is up for sale and it was amazing to see someone who was the face and the voice of law and order in new york city for so long and then the mayor for two terms. a law and order meir, be someone who's going on his second mug shot and who has been disbarred and barred from the practice of law in multiple places endrew in a series of interviews over the past week, the foreign president has talked about, been asked about this whole retribution seeking. >> he talked about running. i am your retribution. he had said two months ago oh i just want to play some of what he said well, revenge does take time. >> i will say that does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. so i have to be honest, sometimes it can look when this election is over based on what they've done. >> i would have every right to go after them and it's easy because it's joe biden but very terrible thing. >> it's a terrible precedent for our country does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question so in terms of if he is president using the levers of the justice department, the fbi, to go after political opponents in a second term, how would that how would he go about that? >> i mean, how how feasible is that? >> well, i think it's entirely feasible. i mean, it's it's interesting to me that across those interviews interviews with people who are like dr. phil and others who are trying to kind of get him to walk away from those claims. >> he soft petals it a little bit, but then you get down further in front of the rally crowds and really hits at home it is absolutely clear, said it many times in front of many different people. >> he intends to take the levers of power if he is reelected and use them for his own personal retribution, goals, which in and of itself is so unbelievably offensive should be to any american than any american president would purport to do such a thing. can he do it? sure, he can do it if he follows through with the plan that he's already laid out, this 2025 plan that they've talked about. >> you'll replace those folks insignificant positions. the department of justice and the fbi and other lawn federal law enforcement entities with flunk who will do whatever he says so the first steps in this process of trumping up charges against people baselessly and throwing them in jail could actually happen. >> i think it gets tougher when those cases start to make their way through the courts but that takes a long time. and so i think it's reasonable that people who think they might be on the former president's enemies list start thinking about what does that look like? what could that, how can that actually play out? in your lives? and i think people are having those conversations just trying to figure those things out as we speak. >> interim cave, adam kinzinger, john miller. thank you. coming up next closing arguments in the hunter biden federal gun trial. and what jurors are now deliberating. and later the rescue of those four israeli hostages from gaza. how it went down, who helped? and more viroid that the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't 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arguments from cnn's as paula reid in a major show of support, hunter's family members and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the family you don't abandon your friends and family in closing arguments prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said, those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that no one is above the law. the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period, adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn't know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned her father's car to him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any other but in some drugs. but why is reminded the jury, hunter's former girlfriend hallie biden, his brother, beau biden's widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it's time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician's trick, trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand, pay no attention to the other one. >> hey, accused prosecutors of cherry picking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter's drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form. >> lowell attacks two of hunter's former girlfriends, who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018. he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter's car? and noted hunter was the one who told hallie to file a police report for the missing gun after she threw it out hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will be back here in court tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. to continue their deliberations. it's impossible to say how long it it will take them to reach a decision on these three counts. but i was important earlier today, and then we're also attentive as the judge explain the instructions page by page line by line. these are of course, the rules that they need to follow as they undertake this historic decision anderson. all right. >> thanks so much more now. and how pros and biden mishandling the weight for the verdict and the biden family presence throughout the trial, including the first lady, who in back and forth during the french visit to be in court with her steps on cnn's mj leaves at the white house for us tonight. what are things like at the white house as they await the jury? >> well, you know, the trial of the president's son has been an extraordinarily sensitive issue for this white house. and the president. and it is not a coincidence that the president himself has barely commented on the ongoing trial. we heard him, of course, make a statement at the beginning of the trial thing that he loves his son and that he he is proud of him for showing resilience as he has fought addiction issues and then the other rare exception, of course, was in a recent abc interview where the president was asked asked whether he would pardon his son, whether he would rule that out actually, and his answer, a one word answer was simply yes. he would rule that out. >> the president anderson so it has been really clear that he is going to accept the outcome of the trial no matter what happens, and that he's just not going to comment on his son's case as three is deliberating that of course, is in line with the president sort of broader view that you just don't comment on a trial or a legal proceeding when it is still making its way through the legal system. and i should just note that that is an important area where the president had sought to draw a contrast between himself and the former president whom he has accused of trying to put his thumb on the legal system on an influence in a political way. other areas and other issues at the former president has dealt with this. of course, the president has made clear he sees as being wholly inappropriate. >> mj lee, thanks so much at the white house tonight joining us now cnn legal analyst norm eisen and jennifer rodgers, also former federal judge. sure. shannon lynne norm. what do you make of closing arguments? do you think he's going to get convicted? >> i thought both sides did an able job in closing arguments. the prosecution hammering the evidence that hunter biden and it was using or addicted to drugs before and after this key october 12th, two 23rd period. >> they don't have actual evidence about the de, but they have yes. >> and the judge instructed that you don't have to prove the de you have to show that hunter biden was actually engage aged in using or was an addict around that time and they have him checking into rehab before and after the various witnesses. but anderson, abbe lowell is a very capable defense lawyer and he leaned into that critical gap and the state of mind question this has to be knowing. that means it, hunter biden had to say on purpose, not by mistake i'm not an addict. i'm not a user. and low argues, well, he thought he was not an addict at that time. there's no proof he was using prosecution ahead on points, not impossible. you get a defense verdict or a hung jury what do you think yeah, i agree. i mean, i think they'll probably get a conviction here. there's a very narrow path for the defense to win this. they really do have to lean into this knowingly and they can't prove it on these days, but prosecutors always say, follow your common sense, right? like the guy has been in rehab, people around that time, there's these text messages about dealing and the hallie biden testimony about paraphernalia in the car. and so use your common sense. >> that argument does that make sense to you that well, i didn't think i was an addict on that day. and therefore, i signed this document, say i'm not an addict. >> i think it's the only argument that the defense has. the question is, can the jury accepted? >> and i think contrary my fellows here, i friends here maybe maybe some jury juror or more jurors who are sympathetic to what he's gone through. >> and may have experienced something like that. sometime in their life i'm going to cut him a little slack and say well, on that day, maybe you didn't use so that takes care of the use and as far as being an addict, well, maybe that day he thought he'd come out of it and was no longer an attic because he was doing better even if felt if he fell off two days later so they might have a basis to draw that distinction if they want to, in your experience on the bench, i mean, is it tough for juries to see past this is the son of the president or someone to be famous, very tough, very tough. >> and the fans is a cut one way or the other. >> i mean, i think well, i think it could cut in his favor the families there. it's a high-profile family. somebody might indeed think that he's going through this because of that. and again, as we all know, it only takes one to cause a hung jury. so i'm not as confident as my colleagues that there's going to be a conviction here, but i wouldn't put my money on a non conviction either. >> you the prosecution is aware of this risk because the first thing that prosecutors said in closing was all those people sitting behind the defendant are not evidence that's pretty unusual in my area is that that actually i thought a little aggressive i mean, here are these people there to support him? lots of people on the jurors, the jury have had addiction in their families. and here's his loving family there to support him and they're going to point out of and be like, don't pay attention to those people. i thought it was a little overly aggressive, if anything, it could have i liked it. it could have been it can boomerang because they're going to look over it when he said that, look right over at those three rows. think about parents and sisters and children and all the rest of it. they could just override this if they want to know and there's also some breaking news in trump's classified documents. kids, judge aileen cannon denied a defense's effort to dismiss the indictment, but she also struck a paragraph from jack smith's indictment anderson this was a motion that the defendants had brought attacking this indictment every which way from sunday they lost almost everything. >> and the question we should ask is, why did judge cannon for these relatively easy unexceptional challenges take so long dragging it out. she didn't give one gimme to the defense it's one paragraph, paragraph 36. it has to do with what happened at bedminster that conversation about iran documents. it's there as to give notice that the prosecution is going to introduce prior bad acts, but striking it was virtually or nothing, judge. >> judge. judge, what what's going on? >> well, in my mind, i was pleased that she got this done so fast from may 22 to june in tenth for her is practically speedy. so i was impressed that she didn't sit on this. obvious motion for very long. i have to tell you that motion is made in every case and it's never granted duplicitous snus multiplicities never works but they make it to preserve the record. nobody expects to win those motions. you do it to preserve so it didn't take her all that long to get this one done. >> i mean, given the history of other things, she has been delaying on, are you surprised by the length this thing is dragging out of in general in all the motion. but this motion was relatively fast. that's a good sign. maybe she's hearing us talking about her and she's getting her work done. who knows, but this thought was relatively fast. and as far as that foro for be the similar act is very clear that she had she is saying but at trial, there may be a basis to offer this evidence justice, and belong in the indictment. get it doesn't relate directly to the charge. >> jennifer, does this impact the chance to this thing moving forward faster i mean, the problem is we have so many outstanding motions that are complicated, time-consuming problematic seep emotions, the classified information, protection actin, and so on. >> it's just we're not moving forward in a way that it's good for going to trial. there's just so much should have saved those pages and all those words. >> to resolve the other leg gig motions that she has on her 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third freed hostage says she wants israel and hamas to accept a ceasefire deal has been publicly supported by president biden also tonight we have new video and details of that rescue. >> your cnn's kylie outward this is the view from the helmets of the israel defense forces. >> they unleashed heavy gunfire searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a daring daytime raid that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7. and held captive ever since it was an operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held in apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza, on the way out from gaza, all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks. and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post that is one of the hostage it is noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the moment struck then he quote, immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing. eyewitnesses told cnn we're also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation, and hundreds injured. >> that's according to the gazan the 30s who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under 100 i want to say thank you. thank god. >> in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. >> i haven't stopped smiling since my mug was returned to me. >> now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some fears at this rate could be a setback. >> it's a legitimate question. it's hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we don't know exactly what it is is that they're going to do as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn't sure what hamas will do. >> i can put myself, none of us can put ourselves in the myosin of hamas for its leaders. so we don't know what the answer will be but wall in egypt blinken also said that his egyptian counterparts had been in touch with hamas quite recently. i can't go into the details of our conversations today. except to say that artists and counterparts were in communication with hamas as early as recently as a few hours ago. >> now, during his meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today secretary of state antony blinken can reiterated that the united states and other world leaders stand by that comprehensive proposal that president biden laid out ten days ago, and they say that israel has put on the table for hamas to accept. 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what could be an intense congressional hearing tomorrow involving testimony from the command into the us coast guard academy official there has resigned and spoken exclusively with cnn about what she says was her unwitting role in a decades-long cover up of sexual assault allegations at the academy one. >> so per say, persuade excuse me, pervasive. it prompted a detailed report that was eventually kept confidential even from congress tells cnn reported it's disturbing findings last year this former official tells cnn she believes top officials used her to convince victims not to tell their stories to members of congress. it says she has proof. sunland safadi has the exclusive interview they put me in a terrible position. how dare they do this to me. they had me standing up in front of cadets for 11 years talking about honor, respect, devotion to duty, whereas there where's the respect to any of us? i'm disgusted. >> shannon norenberg spent more than a decade as the sexual assault response coordinator at the coast guard academy, it felt like an honor to be there and help them with this thing that is so hard and awful and difficult and awkward and the coast guard did tell me they were taking it it's seriously. i felt like they meant it until she says she recently discovered leaders had used her to lie to victims, making her an unwitting accomplice to a massive coverup of decades of seconds sexual assaults at the coast guard academy. >> i had no idea that what i was telling those victims was not true. >> it started several years ago when norenberg was asked to take part in informing victims about a sensitive investigation, code named operation fouled anchor coast guard leaders had discovered that dozens of cases of rape and abuse from the 1980s to the mid 2000s have been ignored and covered up. the attackers usually left unpunished. >> i got a phone call from someone at headquarters for saying, hey, we want you to help out. they told me at that time that all of those investigations had already been done and that at this point, we were going to call everybody up an offer them an in-person meeting so that we could say we were regretful all the things that actually sounded amazing. i took these to every single meeting. the coast guard gave norenberg talking points to go over with the former cadet's who had been sexually assaulted. >> an apology tour where they were assured their cases were supposedly being handled properly after all these years, members of congress congrats and staff and dhs have been briefed on the general outline of the investigation, what was found, and what disposition decisions were made. we assured them the hey, we're handling this. we've got this, we're taking this seriously. thanks for coming forward but it turns out actually the coast guard hadn't told congress. >> norenberg didn't know it, but the investigation was quietly closed. so the decades of assault were kept hidden from congress and the public until a cnn investigation revealed at all last summer, victims were never given any recourse. i trusted the coast guard implicitly and i assume that the talking point document they handed me was true i would never have considered that that might be ally. >> the cnn reports about operation fouled anchor have led to multiple federal investigations congressional hearings in an apology from the head of the coast guard, we fail to provide the safe environment that every member of the coast guard deserves. norenberg says, after seeing cnn's report, she feared she had been used in the cover-up. she found the talking points in our files recently, which confirmed it and start to read it. >> and i was like, that's not actually that's not what happened they lied to me. they lied to us they had me lie. oh, my god. they had me lie to them. and actually that's when i lost it because at first i was like, wow, that's crazy. the light and then i was like, wait they used me to. lie bow they planned it as far back as 2018, not to tell anyone about this. >> to protect the precious institution, they be trade the victims of fouled anchor over and over and over. >> this is my boot camp photo. >> norenberg says she was raped by a supervisor when she was an army recruit in 1988 and says she knows how it feels to be told there's nothing that can be done. she is resigning and going public about what happened. the public needs to know this is happening. people sign up to serve their country. this is how they're treated like trash. it's not okay in response to a cnn request for comment, the coast guard says the talking points were created months before the meetings with the cadets. >> and we're not updated then another former coast guard official who was present at the meeting said no victim was informed that congressional notifications occurred. >> i want to tell the victims of fouled anchor how sorry, i am to be a part of this terrible scheme. >> but let me try to make it right now. i'm so sorry. i'm so sorry something mr. >> product joins us now. what morning can you tell us about this hearing tomorrow? >> yeah. anderson, the head of the coast guard admiral live. linda fagan, should we testifying before the senate intelligence? committee tomorrow? so be talking about the changes that she promised to make in the wake of cnn's previous reporting. and she has repeatedly said that she wants to learn from the past. she wants to move forward, but shannon norenberg account here certainly adds the whole string of controversies showing that this sexual misconduct remains pervasive across the coast garden and definitely underscores that this is far bigger issue than she has publicly acknowledged. and we certainly expect that she will get some questions about normal bergs accounting of all this tomorrow as well. >> anderson, mr. friday. thank you so much. >> next to independent presidential candidate, robert f. >> kennedy jr. are the latest on his effort to get on more steep ballots. also, a 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that is tonight's last word. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as his sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is now in the jury's hands. why he declined to take the stand. kerr is here speaking out as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night: good evening, once again, we are now 148 days away from the election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump fresh off of his guilty verdict sat for a presentencing interview. nothing standard with how it was held. trump got permission to attend virtually from florida and have his attorney present. trump has been complaining for months about a 2-tier system of justice and he is absolutely right. as new york public defenders pointed out today most people do not get to log in remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as far as what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about things like financial resources, mental health and any links to convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime that you are convicted of. meanwhile n delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made their closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is my colleague with more. >> reporter: tonight, it is in the hands of the jury. six men, six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden. the first child of a sitting president to be charged with a crime. many of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence said leo wise while gesturing in the courtroom and in the direction of jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence, he said, adding no one is above the law. the special counsel is accused the president's son of liing on a federal background check, checking that he is not an active drug user to purchase a gun. they used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden's drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october of 2018. hunter biden's ex-wife found drug paraphernalia and his ex- girlfriend who wasidating him at the time said is he was using crack all of the time. the evidence was necessary. the defense attorney gude the prosecution focused far too much on his drug abuse over a 4- year period and no one witnessed drug use during the window of time he purchased a gun. >> with that let's get smarter with the help of our lead off this evening. reporter with "the washington post,," sam stein is here. a journalist and white house editor for politico, and former new york prosecutor charles coleman jr is here. a big legal night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer today, help us understand the purpose of these interviews, how do they usually go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? >> reporter: stephanie, when your probation officer will be asking you questions what they are trying to understand is basically what is your set up around your life? how do you live? what your financial resources are, what is the impact of the sentence if a judge decides for example to send you to jail. are there other people depending on you, put in a bad position? by that, are you associating with other criminals that we know in the case of trump. he is, we can go down the long list, roger stone, many others, flin, the list goes on and on. most importantly, the most important that they are looking to ascertain, and you talked about it in your lead in, if you have any understanding and appreciation for the crime that you are committed of. donald trump has a difficult tight rope to toe when it comes to this given everything given in the public around this, rather than what he knows prosecution by the da's office. that will be something that will be hard for him to get around. ultimately the report will be something that the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimately imposed. the da's office is making a recommendation of trump's attorney, going to argue as lenient of a sentence as possible. >> sam, trump is arguing for months and months and months. a two tier justice system. there is. it is benefiting him. we got to meet virtually, his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he is always saying "i am doing this for you" i am standing here for you. but if any trump supporters were in his position they would not get these special privileges, why do they keep buying this? >> reporter: well, you are absolutely right. we wrote about that in politico, too, when you think of the gag order various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what would have been done for any other person in the justice system. trump is a unique person in the justice system that he is a former president running for president currently. it makes sense some leeway is given to him in that regard. the justice system works in this favor in this case. i would argue thereat second start, hunter biden is evidence that it is not a justice system. the president's own department of justice is currently bringing a case against his son f. there was a thumb on the scale of the system of the part of president bid pen. one would think he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son but the president sat back and watched this thing progress to the point where we will get a verdict in the next day or so. >> i get it has been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive nominee to be meeting with his probation officer what is your treks this response. >> how numb the country has become to everything we watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president donald trump was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the crotch using a course word and he can get a wid with it because lesay celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it is like a starting gun of new, every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as a president that made us all kind of gasp and wonder, like, can he survive this? well, donald trump is the nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and, he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. and, all of us are kind of like oh, yeah, that is right, that is how it is. that is, that is sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it is really important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime. and now we have one that has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. >> charles, a lawyer wrote in the "new york times" today that donald trump's chances of winning an appeal are slim, what do you think? >> reporter: i think so, stephanie. when you are talking about what it is to appeal a jury the first thing that people need to understand is that it is a rare occurrence that the simple is going to have a decision made by our constitution where you get a dloons have your case heard by a jury of your piers which trump did and override the system and overcalculation by the judge or actions of the attorneys. the judge does not give enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was very much aware of all of the eye's needed to be dotted and t's needed to be crossed that is why he ran such a tight ship. to make sure that there were as few for a po as possible. it does not mean that trump's attorney does not like to seek an issue. rather than it being successful is slim to none. sam, today, bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case. most likely not until after trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans, how do you think he is going to handle this? well, i mean, it is, it, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect trump. they want to go after the prosecution. you know, various over00turs. bringing it to hill. expecting it a long time ago. surprised they did not push harder prior to this. if i were bragg i would point to the fact that trump's piers made a determination guilty on 34 counts. that is the aspects of the american justice system that donald trump had right to the fence. he was given through the fence. there will be questions of who is on the team, funding him. what it comes down to, this is how the justice system would work. they had his defense and, and that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12. you have to live with it. that is what we do. >> charles, let's shift to what sam was mentioning a moment ago. hunter biden case. what did you make today of both sides closing arguments, of hunter not taking the stand. >> go in reverse, stephanie. hunter bid den not take the stand for a number of reasons t is difficult for hunter bid tone give testimony in any way that is going to exonerate him or defend against those charges without either incriminating him or admitting publicly around his substance abuse. i think that is something that he wanted to avoid. his defense team wanted to avoid that. ultimately if you are looking at this from a 50,000 foot view it is something that would not have been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines, not that it has an impact on hunter's case or the charges but that was part of the calculus here. with respect of what you heard, this is straightforward. i think many legal experts myself included understand that when robert herr, the prosecutor on this case and joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges this, if anything, we seen recently was the most political prosecution that we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought you typically don't see that absence of violent offense involving the handgun or the weapon that is in question. that is not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that. we don't have the facts. yet, still, herr decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is straightforward. none of it is. the defense is saying you work with the fact that you have. they don't have great facts. they have to call into question the time line. i don't know if it will be enough for a jury to acquit him or result in a mistrial. >> sam, the president has already said that he will not pardon his son f. he is found guilty he could be taken into custody. how is the campaign going to react to this? they have been hands off. it is taking a toll on the president to make had decision. he is his son, he is a father. when you ask about him and press him on it, they are hands off. as we reported they do not talk about the issue. he does not want to discuss it. not that he does not think there will be political fallout but it is too raw. the question that ultimately comes down to is will republicans try to potentially capitalize on a guilty verdict. we have a debate coming up and trump will use it during the debate. will say upon to this point where we are surprised to see how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. does not come up all that much. used to be a topic of a lot of discussion for media and trump but not recently. you wonder if they don't want to draw the attention to his own mishaps or perhaps they test today out and realize there might be effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son when fundamentally part of what that issue is, an issue of addiction. now topic, your "washington post" has a story out trump allies with a post- constitutional vision for a second term. this man's name is russell voyt. what can you tell bus this? >> by the way, it is for beth reinhart on this team that presses the trump precedency and the people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy director and in congress as a staffer for a long, long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around both the legislative and the executive parts of our government and he is using that knowledge to broodily expand the powers of the executive if trump takes office. to the point of saying that he is going to find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels have wrongly gone after the president in the past. that includes journalists, that includes political figures like biden family members and he is, rather, he would work very hard to loosen the militaries ability to take action at the president's command to stop protests that are against the president to interfere, perhaps, in elections. basically the military would be the entity could send into domestic situations. something that really we have avoided since the horrors of ken state for example. this is a person who believes definitely in the executive theory but, now proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president, we will see. proposing what will send a chill off of the spine of those studying democracy and its norms. >> here is my head scratcher, carol. a lot of conservatives out there. don't like trump but likes the policies, these are the same people who are all about small government and limited power. this, this man and this plan, isn't that the opposite of small government limited power. this is big, big government with ultimate power. >> i think that is something that you highlighted on your program consistently if i can give you a hat tip. this idea of the hypocrisy, right? the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter, embarrassed to tell you how long that has been has always been about criminal justice and top, forgive me, serious law enforcement. it has been a party. a concern. russia, chief among them. yet, that is all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy in the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump. therefore, he is for them. it is not important anymore. we really want to support. certain criminal that have been unfairly and i use this quotation marks persecuted. that is the line that the republican party is pushing. and, so, again, this notion of big government for the republican party that is sought the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that is the litnus test. >> people can vote however they like. it is our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, always great to see you, sam, charles, thank you as well. when we return, nine months into the war, and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. and, later, after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump. president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night th hour just on a monday night and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. you know what's brilliant? 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[crying] >> falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel in gaza there is mourning the hamas-run health ministry that does not distinguish between combat onand civilian deaths, 270 palestinians were killed including 64 children, one woman telling us. >> my family is destroyed. my house is destroyed >> they are reporting that the u.s. is discussing a new move if seize fire moves fail, making a deal with hamas to release the remaining american hostages, negotiating through qatar and not with israel. according to two senior officials. my number one priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well being of americans who are in harm's way anywhere in the world. >> that is your top priority, wouldn't indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home, possibly? >> the most effective way to do that to achieve that is through the proposal on the table. so, let's see if we get an answer from hamas. >> for more. peter baker joins us the chief correspondent for the "new york times," peter, is it a sign that the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? >> yes. of course, obviously. nine months, these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has basically taken, deferred the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages, most of the hostages have duel citizenship, theyor the ground. the united states is not. it suggests an impatience at this point. its own hostage remain at, in limbo in effect. remaining at odds for this proposal. you heard him say. hamas at this point to accept this proposal. i think that is an important point that they want to make. israel has, in fact, despite public talk of benjamin netanyahu's statements, right now, frustrated that this has taken so long, seen not to be heading towards a conclusion and therefore, obviously, they will be willing to think about ways to get just the americans at this point out if there is a way to do it. >> president biden is not the only one expressing frustrations. benny gantz just resigned saying it is the prime minister, he is standing in the way of real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? benjamin netanyahu not once but multiple times in elections for the idea they sat together and the work ethic is remarkable situations, hard to imagine joe biden, donald trump sitting together in a unity government. but, this point, they decided enough is enough. it is not working. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is an obstacle to resolution rather than a leader of it. it puts it. they may require on the far right, staying in power, he knows he will appeal. he may back himself up not finding himself comfortable. avoiding further elections. we would love to see where it leads and further elections and not much chance and not a lot of optimism for prime minister benjamin netanyahu to win another election. he has been a remarkable part of politics. let's sit with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france with president biden. when he was there he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received, a, and b, we keep hearing about our european allies that are worried about trump. there are a lot of elections that took place over europe and they were big, big wins for the far right. it happening over there as well? >> you are absolutely right. not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power. for the right. you saw president macron from france that just hosted biden the night before, state dinner where they held hands in effect in favor of establishment politics so rocked he is calling new elections in france himself to see if he can not win over his own public where he is, in fact, not very popular, either. these guys will all get together in italy later there week at a g-7 meeting and talk about a lot of the issues like gaza and ukraine and so forth. hovering over it is their weakness, biden's approval is higher than some of the other leaders at the summit. it is a time where they are all on their back heels a little bit amid this right wing popularrism we are seeing in europe and the united states. >> peter, you always make us smarter, thank you very much for being here tonight. when we come back. biden getting a revamp. his new strategy to rev up the race, when "the 11th hour" returns the race, when "the 11th hour" returns good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. let's get started. bill, where's your mask? 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>> i think it is smart. reaching people where they are. we know people are getting news from a lot of less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently any way and checking out politics. it is splart to find them when they are not paying attention to the new issues any way. biden campaign recognizes that it has to do with whatever it has to do as we head towards crunch time here. >> mark t is not just about his base. this is about nikki haley voters, trumpers, independents, these are the people who make or break the election. it is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat. president trump, former president trump is not looking ahead of his base. is this going to work for biden? >> yeah. he has to look beyond the base. that is where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in big, big trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset. we kind of got push into it. we did not want to do it. ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was prescripted and part of it was making changes but a big part, just doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say okay we heard the message we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and broodily. you are sending a message to everybody. you heard the message. yes, we are doing things differently. again, in this campaign it is so razor thin. the bidens got to do literally everything right there is one of them. this is good. >> one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things that donald trump is saying. they are doing that. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made at his nevada rally this weekend. >> i don't want anyone going on me, we need any voter. i don't care about you i just want your vote, i don't care. >> so, what i just heard him say, i don't care about you, i just want your vote. broy an, did the rally attendees hear this? 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they are taking credit for things they voted against? >> no, they don't know the truth because they are not going to hear the truth. it is hypocritical. let me make another point on the vegas speech and the ad and by the way there is another ad that i think the biden campaign has done and it is the best one. donald trump in his own voice talking about veterans. i think they should just leave that up through election day. it is specifically good. really impactful. by the way trump has been complaining about it. what we call that is hit dogs barking. [ laughter ] >> you know he is feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, i know the most effectiving you can do is not say what you think that person said but let them say what they said themselves, it is great. >> i want to go back to the infrastructure point. what do you do about the fact that you have house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? >> i think they have done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud. he was in lauren's district and she is trying to take credit. going out there, getting in the districts and doing that. and basically where trump one day rallying against toilets nothe flushing and keeping himself out of prison and then biden talking about $35 inhalers and $35 insulin and $2,000 a month health care plans, stuff that is going to impact regular people. they are good-bye that, side by side, it is a matter of getting it out there and hammering the message, over and over and over again. >> they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way and you just got to show people. thank you for being here. still ahead, you want to stay up for this. when coach steve kerr talks, everybody listens the nine time nba champion is here next. his big endorsement in this election and his take on caitlin clark's first month in the pros when the "11th hour" continues the pros when the "11th hour" continues some people just know there's a better way to do things. and some people... don't. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you're in good hands with allstate. hi, i'm greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. some people say, "why should i take prevagen? 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>> i mean it is clear that president biden is really interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence pro vens measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much. i know that we can prevent lives -- president biden is adamant he is going to push for common sense law that can do that. i know that president trump will not do that. so it is a simple choice for me. >> are you voting for joe biden or against donald trump. >> i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me is, everybody needs to vote their conscious. on a few issues but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old. i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know that, that gun violence is the number one killer of children in america. and, i know that there is so much that we can do about this. and, i think most people out there agree with me if you are republican or a democrat. 80% of people in this country want, want universal background checks. does not matter your political affiliation. we can do this. we kind of have to steer the cruise ship there. it is going to take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. >> you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt like your life was impentrable nothing bad can happen to you. what do you say to those people who don't say gun violence is a part of their life so they don't make it a priority. >> you don't know. the chances are likely that you won't be impacted. but there is a good chance that you will, also. and the that is a scary thought. i am a recent grandfather. i have a granddaughter that is 18 months old. i am thinking a lot about when she goes off to kinder garten and she -- kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills and the trauma our kids across america go through just from the drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is traumatizing and it is just it is a terrible thought that all of our children are feeling this way. and, again, we know that common sense laws save lives, they absolutely do. and there is so much that we can do and, and it is kind of my civic project that i like to work on. it is just, you know, trying to help get the cruise ship moving. it is going to take a lot of work. it really is up to us as private citizens toip sift that our government, you know, take the necessary moves to make that happen. >> there is a lot of other public figures that share their views, many endorsed biden in 2020. many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you. you will get heat from all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? >> well, it is too important to save lives. and to, i think, do something that is important for our country. not that i am going to be able to do anything by myself but i have a platform. if i can at least get the message out there. i think it is important for families to talk about this issue, neighbors, friends, you know, there is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. and, again, it could be your own child, it can be your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country. and not just pass it off as well, this is the price of freedom, you know. that is what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us. freedom should also be kids going to school and not being afraid. and, there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment but protect our citizens with some really simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot- button. it is really not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. as i say, 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that. that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. >> you said it right there. it is a political hot-button issue. not when you go in people's homes and sit at their kitchen tables and talk to them about what matters to them. i do want to talk to you about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about. obviously basketball. before you go. you played with michael jordan on the chicago bulls, you know how this super star was treated early and the attention he got. given your experience, your firsthand knowledge, what do you think about caitlin clark's treatment so far in the wnba? >> i think it is a rite of passage. wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a super star. he was not who he is now. he had to get stronger, he had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with her right now. i think it is all in the name of competition she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player. like any player that comes into the wnba, nba it takes time, they have to get stronger. get used to the athleticism. she will be fine. i think everything she is going through right now is all part of being a pro. >> what do you think about the fact that she will not be at the olympics, you will be there? >> i am so excited. i am sorry she will not be. i am sure she will have a chance in four years. when you put the olympic teams together all you care about is winning. and, you know, it is probably going to take caitlin a couple years to be at the top. i think the women's team is taking the 12 players that they think can help bring home a gold and that is exactly what the men's team did. you know, that is the name of the game. no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. >> and i sure hope you do this year. i can say, nobody remembers when steph curry was not a super star. steve, great to see you, thank you for joining us tonight >> thank you, great seeing you. >> we will have more "11th hour" after the break have morh hour" after the break you know what's brilliant? 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