but look, this is a we arech living in a time of chaos and just a lack of decorum and discipline everywhere. and we ve gotten to this point a now just in all of societyf where people think they can act out of control, whether it s getting into a fight on a planed or at a baseball stadium oris td wherever it is today. and so inay thi ands case, ts issue, we do believe, is child abuse. we passed last time in pass the texas senate. unfortunately, it didn t pass the texas house. we passethxahouse.d again this e i think it will pass the texas house because we see it as clear child abuse and thee pe people, the american people know that s the case. so when i see zoe zephyr stand up and say what she did, that she hopes to see other members blood on their hands and she eggs on that crowdat, we d neve. let that happen. immen tell i m president of the senate how to clear that gallery immediately. e ri they were righght to censure hee and we ve had to deal with some of these issues. minority,
as a legal one. i think you lay that out really well, and it s also a reminder of how interesting these times are. they may be heavy, but they re interesting, because the way you just put it is the gap between nikki haley minimizing, maybe nothing happened, which is often the first defense you hear in any situation, except donald trump s number one top aide you or me? it could be anyone. se ri. she wants to weigh in. i would be curious to what se ri has to say. the algorithms have all kinds of ways of evaluating evidence. but you have the nikki haley defense is hey, maybe nothing happened. and that might have appealed to a lot of people except mick mulvaney came out and said oh, something happened. something we do all the time. we do this. get over it, until he had to retract. great insights from every panelist. thanks to each of you. thank you. mara, berit, shelby, we ll be seeing all of you again. coming up as promised, i m going turn next to my special report between
he is linked in so many ways to this case, his contacts with the russian ambassador, while he was involved in a campaign. then as a senator. now as attorney general. his potential involvement in this cover-up and all of these threads, these lines of liability, lead to the oval office. that s the significance of the other washington post report that the special counsel now wants to interview the president, no question that that was predictable. but the timing may be a little bit different. may not come right away. you re absolutely right to raise that question. senator richard blumenthal, thank you for your time tonight. thank you. more on the russia investigation. i m joined by se ri hurwitz who covers the justice department for the washington post and paul butler, msnbc legal analyst. se ri, let me start with you. how unusual is something like