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Substance going forward. >> well see. at this point, dont seem to be following much strategy. >> so winging it yeah. >> working for him so far. thats for sure s.e. great to see you, thanks so much. >> sure. >> you can interview at 10:00 eastern. mike huckabee refuseing to back down from the holocaust comments. should huckabee apologize? plus more breaking news joyce mitchells confession released with stunning new details about her relationship with two escapees her lawyer is "outfront" with ...

To uncouple the two when you have a sitting member of the senate calling another senator a liar. he also said the president is the leading state sponsor of terrorism when you have a candidate for the presidency saying that the president his deal is akin to the holocaust, do you want to call that style, do you want to call that substance? i think its hard to untangle. >> i dont know sally. democrats made a cottage industry of comparing bush to hitler so lets put -- enough with the vapors. like le...

By the majority of the developing world and our u.n. partners is marching jews -- mafering marching jews to the gas chamber, youre siding with that statement. >> 100% an accurate statement if you believe -- >> its not just style. this is substance. >> okay. i got to end it there. >> let me just finish -- you got to let me finish. if you believe that we just gave iran a boat load of cash to go fund state sponsored terrorism against israel which they want to wipe off the map, yeah thats an accurat...

Progress, bakari sellers, s.e., let me start with you -- >> what do you think -- >> hes another poll showing that donald trump is the front-runner. he is six points up from the cnn poll in june. indicating that the comments about mccain, didnt hurt him, possibly even helped him. >> right. i would point out his unfavorables are still significant. but, i think what this proves is that his supporters, people looking at trump, are approving of his style, right, not his substance? you just tried in a...

Jeffrey you heard what donald trump now told me earlier this month, now engaging with the idea a little more more publicly what do you think the strategy is behind that? >> i think it is out of the art of the war, the sheathed sword. i think what he is basically saying is be fair to me or you know ill think about this. and you know to be perfectly candid i keep listening every day to these kinds of things. i dont understand if all of these people are opposed to donald trump, why they give him th...

Run next year as a republican. that said today he again left the door open to a third party candidacy if it comes to that the chances would increase if the national committee is unfair during the primary season i also asked him the first time we sat down earlier this month. >> you would allow the idea of running as independent third party candidate if for some reason you dont get the gop nomination? >> everybody asks me to do it. i had so many people say would you run as an independent, would yo...

Again clinton followed appropriate practices in dealing with classified materials, jake. >> all right. complicated and confusing. >> very. joining mess to talk about this and other political news are dan pfeiffer and s.e. kazuo matsui. thank you both for this encore performance. [ laughter ] >> s.e. do voters care about this? they all are united by the fact that hillary clinton seems to have put herself ahead of national security. i dont have to tell dan, the obama administration was concern...

If i was not a candidate, i would not answer a single question from a single reporter and i would put the question on the reporter -- what could donald do about x question? if you dont know the answer to that thats because you havent been doing your job and im not going to be held to a different standard than dont trump. >> this is a candidate who hillary clinton went to his third wedding, he gave money to hillary clinton when she ran for the senate. donald trump gave money for harry reid and na...

>> i have no knoll of that but -- [ laughter ] >> it was the establishment did try to hunt dean. >> the only thing that would hurt him is ignore him. who is going to do that? im writing about it im talking about him. i asked him for an interview today. thats the only thing that makes donald trump go away if we stop paying attention. >> which we have agreed were not going to do. >> right. s.e. cupp and dan thank you. the director now says the top threats belong to isis and finding terrorists ...

And to law enforcement. thank you. thank you. lets bring in cnn political commentators dan pfeiffer and s.e. cupp. we want to talk about donald trumps trip to the border his making immigration a focus in the campaign. s.e. first of all, before we start, let me say congratulations on your new web series that you have with scott walker -- we can bring in dan if thats okay. were having some issues here with guests. i want you guys to take a listen to something that rick perry, the governor of tex...