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Near enough to kind of respond as quickly as you could. when did you -- what did you see when you first arrived at the scene? >> well, anderson, we arrived on location around 2:30 that morning. at that time, it was still dark, but you could pretty much see it ablaze. i mean, it sort of resembled, i guess, the sun coming over the horizon. >> wow. so you could see it from far away? it looked like the sun coming up? >> yes, sir. it was plainly visible for at least 20 nautical miles out. >> and when...